About the “silent” VSS Vintorez sniper rifle

One of the features of the modern blogosphere is video discussion. weapons without its direct presence "on hand". Experts are invited to broadcast on video blogs and talk about the performance characteristics of weapons, often presenting their own position, largely subjective.

In Dmitry Puchkov’s studio, Klim Zhukov talks about such sniper weapons as the Vintorez Air Force. This is a rifle, which was developed in the 80s at the Central Research Institute of Tochmash in the city of Klimovsk by gunsmiths, led by Peter Serdyukov. Pyotr Ivanovich Serdyukov is a co-author of various weapons, including AS Val.

BCC (special sniper rifle) "Vintorez" was adopted in 1987.

Klim Zhukov:

The salt of Vintorez, as we know, is that it is silent. Or, so to speak, very low noise.

We are not talking about weapons that are equipped with special devices for jamming, but rather about silent weapons - whose low noise is ensured by their own design features.

The video also discusses the noise of a supersonic bullet, the sound of which is "impossible to hide."

The arguments of Klim Zhukov by Dmitry Puchkov are presented in a video on the author’s YouTube channel:

Comments

[potap6509]

I shot with her an armor-piercing cartridge for a killed UAZ from 50 meters, everything was ready to take off, there were three rounds in turn, I shot a store, a suitable machine.

[Speedy]

With bursts only from the Val, you can, Vintorez solves single.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Sorrow

With bursts only from the Val, you can, Vintorez solves single.

Why is Vintorez frightened by solitary people only?
Normally, he watered with Queues, only "noiselessness" there is very conditional ...

[novel66]

and accuracy? bursts?

[Hunter 2]

Roma hello! I didn’t shoot it further than 200m ... as you know - I’m not a fan of automatic shooting at all ... for two hundred - it went relatively normal, short. Anyway - this is not a machine gun! The device is highly specialized, Great for assault units. Classic Army Sniper - not needed, absolutely.

[seacap]

A very expensive cartridge, did not have "watering" left and right, especially SP5

[YOUR]

The question is not discussed about accuracy, but about the possibility of firing bursts from the BCC.
Bursts of all weapons are not too precise. To suppress the enemy.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: YOUR

The question is not discussed about accuracy, but about the possibility of firing bursts from the BCC.
Bursts of all weapons are not too precise. To suppress the enemy.

Done correctly said! due to its highly specialized nature - bursts are fired in the active phase of the assault to suppress or to cover.

[Ingenegr]

What kind of suppression can we talk about with a magazine capacity of 10 rounds? VSS was always equipped with five 10-round magazines, and it was a great success to take on a business trip a couple of Val-ovskikh stores. Yet 20 rounds is not 10.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

Normally, he watered the Queues, only the "noiselessness" there is very conditional.

Oh, we would have such a "device" in the early 80s, it would be very useful.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Hunter 2

Normally, he watered the Queues, only the "noiselessness" there is very conditional.

Oh, we would have such a "device" in the early 80s, it would be very useful.

And in which case would he come in handy for you? Are you an attack aircraft?

[novel66]

her he - a bomber!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

And in which case would he come in handy for you?

Among the buildings to run, wander through the mountains, walk through the forests where crocodiles, maybe someone would catch, many different people walked.

[Hunter 2]

Somehow evasive you answer! If you are not a fighter of the Special Purpose Assault Force, you do not need a screw cutter from the word - Absolutely! The rifle was created for a narrow circle of Specialists!
Where did you serve, if not secret?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

Where did you serve, if not secret?

And in Moscow and two rivers.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Hunter 2

Where did you serve, if not secret?

And in Moscow and two rivers.

Airborne Forces? DShB - did not quite understand you ???

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

Airborne Forces? DShB - did not quite understand you?

61 MP regiment.

[Hunter 2]

61 OBMRP Northern Fleet?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

Where did you serve

It is better for me to remain silent, I do not live in Russia, but for you we are "second class" people.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Hunter 2

Where did you serve

It is better for me to remain silent, I do not live in Russia, but for you we are "second class" people.

No, this is of course your business. I'm just a Marine myself. And I don’t understand how you are with 61 OBRMP — you ended up in Moscow and behind two rivers (as they say about Afghanistan). Write in a personal. Alexei.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Sorrow

Vintorez solitary naughty.

Not only...

[SNEAKY]

As far as I’ve heard, there’s only one minus. Service. And yes, a daring thing.

[Terenin]

Quote: SNEAKY

As far as I’ve heard, there’s only one minus. Service. And yes, a daring thing.

Yeah clean it .

Quote: SNEAKY

Vintorez solitary naughty.

They may have confused that the BCC cannot fire without a silencer

Quote: SNEAKY

Normally, he pours Queues ...

so it was originally conceived as a weapon for special forces, and not purely military (the initial velocity of a bullet at Vintorez is 2,5 times lower than that at AKM) ...

[Botanologist]

shot, liked it.

Distinct sound

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Botanologist

shot, liked it.

Quote: Sorrow

With bursts only from the Val, you can, Vintorez solves single.

Quote: potap6509

I shot with her an armor-piercing cartridge for a killed UAZ from 50 meters, everything was ready to take off, there were three rounds in turn, I shot a store, a suitable machine.

Quote: Okolotochny

I don’t understand such articles.

what can I say? did not see, did not shoot ... "pribluda" (sorry, please) interesting ... but opinions .... who really used the barrel? go figure it out. I have one sniper "Dzerzhinka" 90-92 friend, but he did not see.

[Terenin]

Quote: Botanologist

shot, liked it.

Distinct sound

Well yes judging by the photo, in a concrete room the sound from the shot is more than distinct.

[Botanologist]

Quote: Terenin

in a concrete room, the sound from the shot is more than distinct.

Yes, the factory shooting gallery of the Tula factory.

[Ingenegr]

Service is not a minus. The definition of "bad dream" would be more correct. And there is practically no difference - one shot is fired or 100. The time for cleaning is the same.

[Okolotochny]

I don’t understand such articles. This is practically not an article, but a link to a YouTube video clip. And there are more and more of them in VO, for various problems. And write in the article? Intelligibly, clearly? It's not meant to be?

[novel66]

By the way, yes! Lyokha , all these videos ... when they, damn it, watch. would write in words, read useful, the head works

[vfwfr]

People are not the same already ... in the USE country ...))) I guess.

[aws4]

article? and you quite by accident did not pay in which section this supposedly article? photo and video section ... and that means here photo and video and a description of the video and no more .. so that the head would work and about the exam it would not be remembered a very simple recipe not to go into this section By the way, I also perceive the information better precisely in text and I don’t feel sorry for similar videos but at the same time surprise me ... you know that it reminded me - when a person doesn’t like ballet but still goes there and spits from these pedicative boys in lazines and dwarf girls thin and condemns - daaaaaa theater is daaa and this is some kind of nonsense.))))))))))))))

[Okolotochny]

To be honest, I look primarily at the announcement - the title of the article. There is not much time for lunch and I want the most interesting thing to Read. And for the commercials - you compare the commercials of Badyuk (a specialist all over the world), ten-minute ones, and the commercials of VladBorisych, an emigrant to the USA, are almost hourly. And understand the difference.

[ss-n-22]

Even Puchkov and Zhukov got here. Two experts in military affairs, all sciences and political science. Topwar, slide into the full bottom.

[Krilovchanin]

He shot from a civilian version (the barrel is longer, and, therefore, the integrated silencer is just a declaration; the cartridge is not special, the bullet is super-sonic, there is no question of noiselessness). Normal device. Lightweight, manoeuvrable. To clean is quite normal, and not to compare with the bourgeoisie ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Krilovchanin

super-sonic bullet

The "real" "Vintorez" has subsonic bullets ... It is possible that now there are "supersonic" bullets (or rather, cartridges with such bullets ...) for something ... But "sniper" cartridges ... with subsonic bullets ... as I remember!

[bunta]

This nonsense (Zhukov) and climbed here.

[loha]

“One of the features of the modern blogosphere is a video discussion of weapons without their direct presence“ on hand. ”Experts are invited to air on video blogs and talk about the performance characteristics of weapons, often presenting exclusively their own position, largely subjective. Reasonings of Klim Zhukov and Dmitry Puchkov" as a historian, while the other considers himself an opera ,,,,,,,, and a cook ...

[g1v2]

The main thing is that the video is essentially an advertisement for the game. Wargaming has a new game called Caliber. Here it is, and advertising, telling in the videos about the units and weapons presented in the game. This is not a story for specialists or the military - but just an enticement for gamers. And he even laid out the topvar.

[vfwfr]

We know this, we played, so it’s still in the test ..))) and for a fee)) In principle, the same contra (if it’s tastier)))), only the graphics are better for a bit.

[aws4]

ohhhhhhhhhh here I look specialists and users gathered although they themselves play shooting games ... in one word

[vfwfr]

To the experts and to the user, too, I do not consider myself! For I am not and have not been. Well, not all play cards or balls))) When there is time). "" oooooo yes here I am looking "" - I suppose you also indulge in it too? Once in the know ..)))). Best regards tv. Captain or Lieutenant Commander)

[aws4]

do not believe it, I don’t play more than one game ... I think that at 40 years old it’s strange to play toys even the most advanced ones .. you can go to the gym .. you can go fishing or women

[vfwfr]

Well, with a rocking chair and women the world does not end)). I'm not a fisherman spawn.

[Nikolaevich I]

There is one "antires" on the topic ... Basically, it is indicated that for "Vintorez" there are magazines for 10 and 20 rounds ... But it seems to me that "someone somewhere" claimed that they were produced in small quantity and stores for 30 rounds. I have deeply forgotten this fact ... maybe I messed up something ... or such stores were intended for "Val" ... but, considering that the stores are "the same" ... Yes, more ... such stores are difficult was "find"! PS Maybe someone will say more precisely ...

[soloveyav]

For 30 rounds, for sure. Initially, it was for the CP-3M, but they are compatible with Val and BCC.

[Nikolaevich I]

Very grateful!

[vfwfr]

in 19-20 our year .. if you wish, you can also order a bunker for it and I will make private owners .... the only question is: Why .. or is it needed?

[Basarev]

After all the wonders of Anatoly, I would try not to mention the name of Serdyukov. History as with a swastika - through the efforts of the Minister, this surname is cursed forever.

[vfwfr]

Well, it's not at all a rare surname, a person's namesake by surname, to be on the list of "hero of the country" ..
PS they wrote somewhere, they say they gave him a star of the hero ... (It was a long time ago and maybe not true. I’m not responsible for the information)

[KEX]

Quote: potap6509

UAZ killed 50 meters

Quote: Hunter 2

I didn’t shoot from it further than 200m ...

in general, this unit was created for firing up to 300 m (normal subsonic machine, but it’s impossible to shoot at a moving target at 300m - the pulley flies for a long time, the pulley mass allows the choir to have dead power, but the approach time is too great.) This unit is good up to 100m for any targets, well, for motionless up to 300 .... 400 if you're lucky ....

[Hunter 2]

This is a feature of All Subsonic Cartridges! So - All right written! + To you!

[vfwfr]

Simply put, a weapon for the city ..

[beeper]

I honestly tried (despite the underlined primitive "level of material presentation") to listen to this "narrator" to the end, but "did not master it" - "dude", giggling foolishly at the same time, does not "appreciate" the time of his viewers at all, and Dmitry Puchkov in this (in vain !!!) he frankly indulges and clowns "plays along"!

It will be interesting to see if, on the subject of VSS and VAL, the dear Sergey Shumakov from "Truth of Life" removes his video for YouTube!
I like the stories (and the stories of weapons in particular) in its presentation, very clearly, specifically, in a clear simple language, without idiotic chuckles and without any self-image!
I recommend finding and watching the already existing Shumakov videos to all inquisitive weapon-loving comrades, since I myself learned from them (in contrast to this hideously prolonged Buchkovsko-Zhukov vulgar "emptyness") a lot of new and interesting things for myself!

In the design of the VSS, I like the concept of an integrated muffler, structurally "licked" compactness and the possibility of quick modular disassembly and assembly (before transportation or combat use, respectively), which was originally incorporated into it!
And also, I liked the design "highlight" with the message to the bolt carrier (at the beginning of the roll-up phase of the bolt carrier with the bolt) part of the energy of the compressed (when rolling back the rifle's moving parts) spring of the drummer (until it is put on a combat platoon) - this is a big plus for the reliability of the rifle at low temperatures, in the absence of lubrication and in conditions of strong pollution (and it gets dirty, due to the gas outlet automation with an integrated silencer and small internal volumes of the milled receiver, very quickly, but it is cleaned very "baggy" and by no means "in one motion" -for complex internal "drops"!)!

Of course, the experienced eye, according to the elements of the VSS (VAL) automation, clearly sees the individual design style of Peter Ivanovich Serdyukov - his vivid desire for "self-expression" even at the cost of some overcomplication of the "machine" being created and his (his assistants, too) precisely "design (and not design and technological) "style of thinking, manifested in" pure designers (from the drawing board) ", fundamentally" do not bother "with subsequent production, and even exploitation (and" exploitation in the troops "is generally a separate song! ), their creations!
As that, "regardless" of the inevitable technological difficulties (especially in conditions of low technical equipment and culture of production, from surrogates of materials and low-skilled personnel, as often happens in wartime conditions, if it is possible, in such conditions Serdyukov's VSS will hardly be efficient and will be able to provide the minimum resource of shots ??!) when he produces a "designed" mechanism.

About the current (it is obvious that it is no longer the author's, not Serdyukov's, otherwise the end result should have been creative, and not "as always"!) (regardless of the pedestrian-raid "way of life" of special forces, when "a straw hurts the back of a camel", and he also needs to "twist and slip into the eye of a needle"!), but did NOT realize the possibility of processing the internal structure of the mechanisms and the receiver of the rifle on a new level for the better (IMHO), probably, it was not worth remembering .... (it's like in the old Soviet joke "about Buryats and a geologist" ... "Buryats, however, do not do that!")

In general, I agree that VSS is an outstanding, highly specialized (originally created by order and for the needs of our "secret police" -KGB), a sample of weapons (for its time), although, nevertheless, "a little belated (in this I support the opinion of the distinguished comrade Tihonmarine! ) "!

[75 Sergey]

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[ENOTE]

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[seacap]

Quote: Hunter 2

You do not need a screw cutter from the word - Absolutely!

There was also AS VAL for this