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WADA publishes list of countries violating anti-doping rules: Russia is not in the top three

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A few days ago, the World Anti-Doping Agency published the results of activities to identify cases of the use of prohibited drugs by athletes in different countries of the world. For those who are convinced that Russia is the main anti-doping rule violator, disappointment may come.


In the WADA report, Russia is not even among the top three violators.

It turned out that according to the results of the study, the greatest number of doping cases was recorded among Italian athletes - 171. Athletes from France and the USA ranked second and third. 128 and 103 cases, respectively.

Russia has the fifth position with 82 violations. The fourth line of this “rating” of violators was taken by Brazilian athletes (84 identified cases of doping).

The largest number of cases of the use of prohibited drugs was noted in cycling, athletics and bodybuilding.

Recall that earlier WADA sent “recommendations” to the federations of sports, as well as to the IOC and the Paralympic Committee, calling for the removal of Russian athletes from competitions, as well as with a call to refuse to hold tournaments in Russia. UEFA and the International Hockey Federation have spoken about this, noting that they are not going to deprive our country of hosting the European Football Championship and the World Hockey Championship. At the same time, the IOC accepted the “recommendations” of WADA and stated that the Russians would be able to speak at the Olympic Games 2020 “only under a neutral flag”. Russian boxers said that if they prohibit the use of national (state) attributes (flag, coat of arms, anthem) at the Russian Olympic Games, they will not go to the tournament.
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  1. Pivot
    Pivot 23 December 2019 08: 21
    +42
    It is necessary to impose sanctions on this wada, with all the ensuing consequences for organizations collaborating with it.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
      Vyacheslav Viktorovich 23 December 2019 08: 25
      -82
      What has she done wrong now? Or is the comment irrelevant to the text of the news?
      1. Pivot
        Pivot 23 December 2019 08: 27
        +21
        And you did not read in this article about the recommendations of the wad on the removal of our athletes from major international competitions?
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          Vyacheslav Viktorovich 23 December 2019 08: 29
          -57
          That's not news. The recommendations came out two weeks ago, on December 9th.
          1. AnpeL
            AnpeL 23 December 2019 08: 41
            +46
            So that’s why the question is for your wad, Russia is not even among the top three consumers (although this is still an issue), but it is Russia that is being removed. Why, for example, not put the most correct in the world?
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
              Vyacheslav Viktorovich 23 December 2019 08: 43
              -53
              Quote: AnpeL
              that’s why the question is for your wad, Russia is not even among the top three consumers (although this is still an issue), but it is Russia that is being removed.
              Because the official representatives of Russia handed over to WADA a forged base of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory.

              Why, for example, not put the most correct in the world?
              Athletes who are caught will be punished.
              1. Vikxnumx
                Vikxnumx 23 December 2019 09: 22
                +56
                Doping is only one side of the issue ....
                It is necessary to remove medical exceptions - you are ill, go to the doctor. You will be cured, you will pass all the tests, bring a certificate - please visit the platform (ski track, springboard, ...).
                Or individual competitions without doping control, for alternative athletes! laughing
                1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  Vyacheslav Viktorovich 23 December 2019 09: 28
                  -10
                  Quote: VIK1711
                  Doping is only one side of the issue ....

                  If Russia is suspended for the next 4 years, doping is not at all a side of the issue. The side of the question is only and exclusively the fake of the base. Those who say that two weeks ago Russia was suspended for doping are only inventing a more convenient opponent for themselves, because it is easier to argue with the idea of ​​suspension for doping: “they were punished twice for the same thing,” “but other countries also have doping ". But this is not a dispute with WADA's arguments, it is a logical fallacy called "thesis substitution" or "straw stuffed animal".
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 23 December 2019 23: 47
                    +6
                    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                    they just think up a more convenient opponent, because it’s easier to argue with the idea of ​​suspension for doping:

                    remember the odious black man with a test tube at the UN !!! wink wassat wassat wassat
                    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                    But this is not a dispute with the arguments of WADA, it is a logical error called "thesis substitution" or "straw scarecrow".

                    it’s easier for you to walk with Euro-American noodles on your ears !!! request lol lol lol
                    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                      Vyacheslav Viktorovich 24 December 2019 06: 02
                      -2
                      Quote: Nikolai Grek
                      Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                      But this is not a dispute with the arguments of WADA, it is a logical error called "thesis substitution" or "straw scarecrow".

                      it’s easier for you to walk with Euro-American noodles on your ears !!! request lol lol lol

                      Awesome level of argument.

                      After that, the mayor took off their own head and handed it to me. Looking closer at the box in front of me, I found that he was enclosing in one corner a small organ that could perform some uncomplicated pieces of music.
                      (Mikhail Saltykov-Shchedrin, "The History of a City")
                  2. Fat
                    Fat 24 December 2019 08: 27
                    +2
                    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                    Quote: VIK1711
                    Doping is only one side of the issue ....

                    If Russia is suspended for the next 4 years, doping is not at all a side of the issue. The side of the question is only and exclusively the fake of the base. Those who say that two weeks ago Russia was suspended for doping are only inventing a more convenient opponent for themselves, because it is easier to argue with the idea of ​​suspension for doping: “they were punished twice for the same thing,” “but other countries also have doping ". But this is not a dispute with WADA's arguments, it is a logical fallacy called "thesis substitution" or "straw stuffed animal".

                    One must think that the database was presented "Five minutes away yesterday". How can anyone prove the truth, isn't it the prosecutor's office? I will not name the personality of the witnesses and authors of the fake. Who has certified the database for protection against counterfeiting? This is a mine for sports in general. HOW this prog is asked. Appreciate the product as a proof. In addition, Russia has already been punished for those same violations. Non bis in idele, the train has left, the decision cannot be retroactive.
                  3. Siberian54
                    Siberian54 24 December 2019 16: 20
                    0
                    And you did not accidentally hear what the RF IC published?
                    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                      Vyacheslav Viktorovich 26 December 2019 04: 47
                      0
                      Quote: Siberian54
                      And you did not accidentally hear what the RF IC published?

                      Is it about the fact that the RF IC accused Rodchenkov of editing the database remotely? Rodchenkov was accused of this in 2017. (https://russian.rt.com/sport/news/453840-sk-rodchenkov-doping) And the detected manipulations with the database also apply to 2018 (like the error where they mixed up 8.1.2018 and 1.8.2018). That's why I have a question - did you know about remote editing, but didn’t turn off remote access, didn’t change passwords? Seriously?

                      (Or is it something else?)
                  4. Den717
                    Den717 8 March 2020 19: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                    The party to the issue is only and exclusively a fake base.

                    Let's not substitute theses. In the United States, a cleaning lady knocked over the entire base, collected over 26 years, and wiped off all the "exceptional" urine from the floor with a rag. And half a team of mutants. Where are the sanctions for USADA?
                2. Den717
                  Den717 23 December 2019 09: 42
                  +17
                  Quote: VIK1711
                  Or individual competitions without doping control, for alternative athletes!

                  In five to ten years at the competitions in LA, we will see real centaurs there, which were read about in ancient Greek myths .... belay
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 23 December 2019 10: 35
                    +23
                    Quote: Den717
                    In five to ten years at the competitions in LA, we will see real centaurs there, which were read about in ancient Greek myths ....

                    In gymnastics already there

                    About sisters or brothers request Williams in tennis I am already silent
                    1. Den717
                      Den717 23 December 2019 10: 44
                      +13
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      About the sisters, or the Williams brothers in tennis, I am already silent

                      These are still flowers! Berries will be when real hooves rattle on the cinder path laughing
                      1. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 23 December 2019 11: 19
                        +7
                        Quote: Den717
                        Berries will be when real hooves rattle on the cinder path

                        And in the pits for jumping kangaroos will appear laughing
                      2. Lexus
                        Lexus 23 December 2019 14: 55
                        +19
                        Yeah ... from sports, only pills and injections remained ...
                        "Norwegian Skier", painting, Vasya Lozhkin, Wonderful People's Artist
                      3. Den717
                        Den717 23 December 2019 15: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        And in the pits for jumping kangaroos will appear

                        Once on TV they showed a woman with her knees back. Has the process started?
                    2. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 23 December 2019 11: 04
                      +23
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Quote: Den717
                      In five to ten years at the competitions in LA, we will see real centaurs there, which were read about in ancient Greek myths ....
                      In gymnastics already there

                      For comparison, the difference between the true DOPE swallowers from straight athletes is better seen in another photo.

                      1. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 23 December 2019 11: 21
                        +3
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        For comparison, the difference between the true DOPE swallowers from straight athletes is better seen in another photo.

                        Yes, they are full of such photos.
                        In almost all sports. It’s just that I had a photo for a long time and didn’t search for others
                      2. Mimoprohodil
                        Mimoprohodil 23 December 2019 15: 40
                        +1
                        Maybe this is better seen?
                      3. esaul1950
                        esaul1950 23 December 2019 23: 38
                        +1
                        Holy, holy, holy! Chur me. And if this is a lilac night dream?
                    3. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 23 December 2019 23: 53
                      +1
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      In gymnastics already there

                      for some amphetamine gives an interesting effect !!! wink wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
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                  3. tsvetkov1274
                    tsvetkov1274 23 December 2019 13: 55
                    +3
                    For Germany, gender plays in handball (female) ... request
                3. tracer
                  tracer 23 December 2019 15: 36
                  +15
                  Понимаете, сам по себе Олимпийский спорт сейчас не имеет ничего общего с тем, чем он был при рождении этого движения во Франции в конце прошлого века. Он изначально должен был быть массовым и ни в коем случае не комерциализированым. Чем он стал сейчас? Понимаете , само по себе действо когда куча здоровых мужиков мячик друг у друга отнимают просто бессмысленно и смешно. Равно как кто быстрее бегает или прыгает. Поймите само по себе их действо бессмысленно смешно или ничтожно. Даже из ковыряния пальцем в носу можно спорт устроить.... Все это "Символизм" смысл которого в демонстрации страны своих лучших " воинов" , как компиляции науки , техники, социального устройства. Вот в чем смысл. Мне решительно наплевать на любого спортсмена готового ради денег бежать или прыгать. Если он оказался от своего флага . Это наемник без чести и совести презираемый всеми культура ми и религиями в истории цивилизаций. Все очень просто. Когда какая то организация покорит страну результатами мочи, плюнуть нехрен на них и забыть. Поднимать свой спорт надо внутри страны.
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 23 December 2019 23: 57
                    +3
                    Quote: tracer
                    It was originally supposed to be massive and in no way commercialized.

                    I think this is a matter of the simple desire of the amers and their shobls to squeeze all the control levers for themselves ... right now they muddle the same feints with the OPCW !!! am am negative negative negative
              2. PalBor
                PalBor 23 December 2019 09: 25
                +8
                If so, then I would not be indignant. But! Everyone will be punished, including innocent athletes, federations and, most importantly, fans. I didn’t watch the last Olympic Games in principle, because I didn’t want to root for “neutrals”.
                I lied a little, I watched hockey, because hockey is hockey.
                And about the database - well, such a hat, sewn with white thread, given that this gang was Rodchenkovskaya and had remote access, and provided some kind of base for comparison ... Which one? Rave.
                1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  Vyacheslav Viktorovich 23 December 2019 09: 36
                  -13
                  Quote: PalBor
                  And about the database - well, such a hat, sewn with white thread, given that this gang was Rodchenkovskaya and had remote access, and provided some kind of base for comparison ... Which one? Rave.

                  The fake was proved without comparison with any other copies of the database. At some point in the system, the date by mistake was changed to 1.8.2018 instead of 8.1.2018, corresponding to the future time, the system detected an error and automatically set the date to the current 8.1.2018, leaving a record by which the time and fact of manipulations with date. Moreover, this happened on 8.1.2018, and charged Rodchenkov with remote corrections back in 2017 - it turns out, charged, but didn’t even turn off external access, didn’t even change passwords? At the base under the control of the investigative committee?
                  1. Alexy
                    Alexy 23 December 2019 22: 26
                    +3
                    Where did you get this information? Or is your surname Rodchenkov?
                    As for the date, by the way, Americans and others like them, some Europeans write first a month, and then a date: for example, January 8, 2018 will be 01.08.2018.
                    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                      Vyacheslav Viktorovich 24 December 2019 05: 49
                      -4
                      Quote: Alexy
                      Where did you get this information from?

                      From WADA's final report on recommendations for Russia.
                      1. krops777
                        krops777 24 December 2019 08: 43
                        +1
                        From WADA's final report on recommendations for Russia.


                        You believe the WADA reports, however, open your eyes at last.
                      2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Vyacheslav Viktorovich 24 December 2019 08: 47
                        -3
                        The report (and this is an official document) says that the Russian authorities recognized the fact of interference detected in this way. And none of the Russian authorities began to refute the fact of recognition (indicated in an official document).
                      3. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 24 December 2019 08: 56
                        +1
                        All you can’t get over? wink

                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        In the report (and this is an official document)

                        This is a document from WADA. No more...

                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        it is written that the Russian authorities recognized the fact of interference detected in this way

                        On the fence there are a lot of what is written ... suggest to refute everything?

                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        none of the Russian authorities began to refute the fact of recognition

                        More precisely - not brought to youwhat’s really going on there ... well, they did the right thing request yes
                      4. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Vyacheslav Viktorovich 24 December 2019 09: 03
                        -2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack

                        More precisely - not brought to youwhat’s really going on there ... well, they did the right thing request yes

                        It is convenient to believe in a fictional world where we put everyone in their place, defeated everyone and proved everything to everyone, but there is no available information about him because, well, he is secret classified)))))
                      5. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 24 December 2019 09: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        there is no available information about him because well, he is classified

                        I saw in the press a mention that "WADA did not take into account the clarifications of the Russian Federation on the technical part of the issue." Something like that.

                        Which, like kakbe, hints that there were at least objections.

                        Calm down already, buddy. Not yours this topic request
                      6. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Vyacheslav Viktorovich 24 December 2019 09: 11
                        -2
                        Another substitution of the thesis. It's not about accepted or not accepted technical clarifications by experts at WADA. This is about lied they or didn't lie, saying that the Russian authorities agreed with the discovered date manipulation. The Russian authorities are the only ones who could convict WADA of this lie with absolute certainty, but they are not in a hurry to do this, except in classified secret worlds.
                      7. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 24 December 2019 09: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        The next substitution of the thesis

                        On your part, yes.

                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        This is about...

                        ... for now:

                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        ... none of the Russian authorities began to refute the fact of recognition ...

                        No more.

                        Man, don’t get into the bottle, it’s crowded, uncomfortable and boring laughing
                      8. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Vyacheslav Viktorovich 24 December 2019 09: 28
                        -2
                        To refute the fact of recognition by the Russian authorities = to convict WADA of a lie in an official document.
                      9. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 24 December 2019 09: 29
                        -1
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        To refute the fact of recognition by the Russian authorities = to convict WADA of a lie in an official document.

                        1. Rave.
                        2. Talk is not about that.
                        3. Nerve cells are not restored.
                      10. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Vyacheslav Viktorovich 24 December 2019 09: 32
                        -1
                        I could try to object, but I did not find a substantive thesis. All the best.
                  2. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 23 December 2019 23: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                    Quote: PalBor
                    And about the database - well, such a hat, sewn with white thread, given that this gang was Rodchenkovskaya and had remote access, and provided some kind of base for comparison ... Which one? Rave.

                    The fake was proved without comparison with any other copies of the database. At some point in the system, the date by mistake was changed to 1.8.2018 instead of 8.1.2018, corresponding to the future time, the system detected an error and automatically set the date to the current 8.1.2018, leaving a record by which the time and fact of manipulations with date. Moreover, this happened on 8.1.2018, and charged Rodchenkov with remote corrections back in 2017 - it turns out, charged, but didn’t even turn off external access, didn’t even change passwords? At the base under the control of the investigative committee?

                    again you got out with your demagoguery !!! wassat wassat wassat rodchenkov, not you (you did not deserve) is it ??? recourse lol lol lol
              3. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 23 December 2019 10: 32
                +4
                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                Athletes who are caught will be punished.

                And in fact, punish ALL
                Because the official representatives of Russia handed over to WADA a forged base of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory.

                And this is not proven.
                The other day there was an infa that this base was thanks to Wade almost in free access and anyone could make changes to it
                1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  Vyacheslav Viktorovich 23 December 2019 11: 02
                  -7
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  The other day there was an infa that this base was thanks to Wade almost in free access and anyone could make changes to it

                  What amazing things, the base was located in a Moscow laboratory for five years, which it cordoned off, sealed and didn’t let anyone inside in connection with the Rodchenkov case investigation, the Investigative Committee, and WADA laid it out for universal free access. You can ask if you have already found those responsible for such a mess?
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 23 December 2019 11: 25
                    +8
                    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                    What amazing things, the base was located in a Moscow laboratory for five years, which it cordoned off, sealed and didn’t let anyone inside in connection with the Rodchenkov investigation

                    Koppi was handed over to Wade.
                    On the basis of these copies, "conclusions" were made
                    And the facts have already been cited that it was the traitor and provocateur of the cousins ​​himself who falsified the doping data.
                    But as always, nobody began to listen to us
                    After leaving for the USA, the former head of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory Grigory Rodchenkov had remote access to the agency’s base. Thus, he could falsify the data that it contained, said the Investigative Committee of Russia. Law enforcement authorities have evidence of his criminal activity. In addition, as noted in the UK, Rodchenkov destroyed his doping tests of Russian athletes. Earlier, Rodchenkov was charged under Part 2 of Article 201 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - “Abuse of authority that entailed grave consequences” (up to 10 years in prison).

                    https://russian.rt.com/sport/article/453876-rodchenkov-sledstvenny-komitet
                    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                      Vyacheslav Viktorovich 23 December 2019 12: 31
                      -8
                      Rodchenkov’s remote intervention was announced in 2017.
                      Found traces of manipulations date from (among other things) 2018.
                      Did they know about the remote intervention, but didn’t even block access to the database from outside? Didn’t you even change your passwords?
                      1. Siberian54
                        Siberian54 24 December 2019 16: 29
                        0
                        And WADA itself controlled its entrance as it also conducted some sort of investigative actions ... And then you can jump ....
                      2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Vyacheslav Viktorovich 26 December 2019 05: 06
                        0
                        Sorry that I have to somehow draw the arguments out of your slurred wording myself - do you mean that WADA forged the data in the copy that was transferred to it? And where is the statement about this from the Russian leadership?
                    2. Revival
                      Revival 23 December 2019 21: 32
                      0
                      That is, that he had access so far, according to this version, not criminal negligence, Minimum!
              4. skif8013
                skif8013 23 December 2019 13: 05
                +6
                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                Quote: AnpeL
                that’s why the question is for your wad, Russia is not even among the top three consumers (although this is still an issue), but it is Russia that is being removed.
                Because the official representatives of Russia handed over to WADA a forged base of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory.

                Why, for example, not put the most correct in the world?
                Athletes who are caught will be punished.

                Who didn’t get caught will also be punished. Only for one reason that they are from Russia. Drop dead logic !!!
              5. Lyuba1965_01
                Lyuba1965_01 23 December 2019 18: 00
                +1
                This is what you say from the words of WADA?
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 24 December 2019 00: 01
                  +4
                  Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                  This is what you say from the words of WADA?

                  exactly!!! he had already once before led a "discussion" ... and it was based entirely on the report of the wada ... and he a priori considers it to be the true and last resort !!! fool request request request
              6. brat07
                brat07 25 December 2019 03: 07
                0
                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                Quote: AnpeL
                that’s why the question is for your wad, Russia is not even among the top three consumers (although this is still an issue), but it is Russia that is being removed.
                Because the official representatives of Russia handed over to WADA a forged base of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory.

                Why, for example, not put the most correct in the world?
                Athletes who are caught will be punished.

                Well, only athletes who were "caught" would be punished.
                But why only Russia was punished - that's the question?
                Doesn't that bother you?
                That is why the Italians were not punished and did not give recommendations to the same IOC to prohibit them from performing under their own flag and anthem at the Olympic Games?
                And it doesn't seem to bother you either?
                If not, HOWEVER.what
            2. opus
              opus 23 December 2019 09: 15
              -8
              Quote: AnpeL
              Why, for example, not put the most correct in the world?


              More than 1250 backup files for 2014 and 2015 have a deletion mark of June 29, 2016, more than 450 files for 2016 are deleted on December 17, 2018,


              Mochalov intentionally made changes, explaining this with the goal of freeing up disk space by transferring data to his computer. He rolled back to the base of November 2015, thereby changing the dating. The error was discovered due to the fact that Mochalov set the date in the format accepted in the USA: 01/08/2019 instead of 8.01.2019. The administrator’s mistake led to the fact that the updated database was dated not in January, but in August.


              - there is no label previously set by the WADA informant in the sample files of 2 biathletes (M + F)

              - said in the report.
              There was a condition: the transfer of an electronic database (LIMS) from the Moscow Anti-Doping Laboratory in full and unchanged.
              LIMS was seized by the RF IC.
              Quote: AnpeL
              Russia is not even among the top three consumers (although this is still an issue), but Russia is being removed

              Because
              WADA believes that the commission failed to conduct an objective review due to the inability to check for anti-doping violations 145 of 298 Russian athletes ruled (more than half), who were previously suspected of using illegal drugs.

              Quote: author
              Russia has the fifth position with 82 violations.

              82+ potentially 145 = potentially 227. First place is potentially guaranteed.

              Quote: AnpeL
              for example, the most correct in the world do not put in place?

              it has nothing to do with us. What is this argument of the one who is accused: "and you look at him, he, too, and even more"
              1. PalBor
                PalBor 23 December 2019 09: 47
                +13
                Why not an argument. I (conditionally) stole a roll - they gave me 5 years. A neighbor stole a million - he is glorified. Hmm ... another argument. You punish Russian athletes, not all and not potential, but only those guilty, then punish everyone. My uncle, an American or Australian swimmer, I don't remember anymore, drugged by cocaine, explains that he kissed a cocaine friend, and he is forgiven. Let's then still "... and justice for all!"
                1. littoral
                  littoral 23 December 2019 10: 19
                  -19
                  Quote: PalBor
                  An uncle, an American or an Australian swimmer, I don’t remember anymore, who was dumbfounded by cocaine, he explains that he kissed a cocaine friend and is forgiven.

                  If you're talking about Phelps, then his own federation punished him. Although he did not violate any WADA rules.
                  Be careful with examples.
                  1. PalBor
                    PalBor 23 December 2019 11: 02
                    +20
                    Well, yes, I did. Phelps smoked marivannu and received 3 (three) months (months) of disqualification. Wow, punished! And I meant (checked) the Canadian pole vaulter Barber and the Australian swimmer Jack, who got all kinds of nasty kisses. For petty quibbles, you blur the general, I would even say, the general picture of unbridled use of everything in a row, and only "crumble a loaf" on Russians.
                    Yes, I affirm that our sports bureaucracy must be at least dispersed. Starting with Fetisov, who brought both Rodchenkova Mutko and their deputy then Kolobkov, and all. But let's still punish everyone for using it, honestly.
                    I’m silent about the gang of Norwegian asthmatics.
                    1. littoral
                      littoral 23 December 2019 18: 05
                      -16
                      Quote: PalBor
                      Well, yes, mixed up. Phelps smoked marivanna and received 3 (three) months (months) of disqualification. Wow, punished!

                      Once again for one-button: Phelps, WADA did not violate ANY rules. His own swimming federation punished him for edification. That's clearer?
                      Quote: PalBor
                      And I had in mind (checked) the Canadian pole vaulter Barber and the Australian swimmer Jack, who got all the nasty things through kisses

                      Who do you call "Uncle Swimmer"? You would be tied with such "examples", and then only one laugh.
                      Quote: PalBor
                      For petty quibbles, you blur the general, I would even say, the general picture of unbridled use of everything in a row, and only "crumble a loaf" on Russians.

                      You "float" in the subject, give examples designed for the same as you ignorant, but how it comes to specifics - blown away, but I have "petty quibbles"?
                      Quote: PalBor
                      But let's still punish everyone for using it, honestly.

                      For those close to you, this article is written. In terms of the number of doping caught (and punished), America is ahead of Russia. Are you blind
                      Quote: PalBor
                      I’m silent about the gang of Norwegian asthmatics.

                      And rightly so, keep quiet. Arguments (as everyone has already seen) is not your hobby.
                      1. PalBor
                        PalBor 23 December 2019 18: 44
                        +10
                        What nonsense did you write to me? I told you the names of specific athletes, once. He offered to punish everyone for doping, not just Russians, two. Only a highly "charged" propagandist has not heard about the use of drugs to ease breathing by Norwegian biathletes and skiers, three. Find fault with the reservations I fixed, four. You insult by calling a stranger with a one-button and ignorant person, five. Break your opponent's post into small phrases, taking out of context, six. Misinterpreting the meaning, seven.
                        Conclusion - you are Crimean, the daughter of an Ohvitser.
                      2. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek 24 December 2019 00: 23
                        +3
                        Quote: PalBor
                        Phelps

                        you don’t really argue with such people ... wada - theirs is VEOYOEOEOEOEOE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! wink lol lol lol
                      3. PalBor
                        PalBor 24 December 2019 01: 12
                        +4
                        That's for sure. Tired of arguing.
                      4. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek 24 December 2019 01: 54
                        +5
                        Quote: PalBor
                        That's for sure. Tired of arguing.

                        the most interesting thing is that they make themselves true patriots of the countries !!! request wassat wassat wassat I would add that it is not our country !!! lol lol lol
                      5. littoral
                        littoral 24 December 2019 07: 11
                        -7
                        Quote: PalBor
                        What nonsense did you write to me? I told you the names of specific athletes, times.

                        I tell you again: save the examples that you give for kindergarten and Nikolai Grek.
                        1. Sean Barber did indeed detect the presence of cocaine in a doping test. In a microscopic dose, which could well enter the athlete’s body through a kiss.
                        Before that, Barber had never been suspected of drug use, this time.
                        The girl he was with confirmed the use of cocaine before meeting with Sean, these are two.
                        Forensic experts concluded that he could not take such a small dose of the drug on purpose, these are three.
                        The athlete’s victory at the 2016 Canada Championship was canceled, these are four.
                        Native Canadian Anti-Doping Agency (The Canadian Center of Ethics in Sport) advocated a four-year suspension, this is five.
                        2. About the Australian swimmer. Tell me, are you adequate?
                        Shayna Jack did not perform at the World Cup in Gwangju precisely because she had discovered a prohibited substance.
                        Quote: PalBor
                        He suggested punishing for doping all, not just Russians, two

                        This is exactly what is happening. The table in the article to help you.
                        Quote: PalBor
                        Only a highly "charged" propagandist has not heard about the use of drugs to ease breathing by Norwegian biathletes and skiers, three.

                        I will repeat to you a question that you certainly cannot answer since the nightingales and the Kiselyovs do not talk about this, but you yourself have no other way to find out about this except from them. How many Russian athletes appealed to WADA on similar issues, and most importantly, HOW MUCH DEFINITELY REFUSED?
                        Quote: PalBor
                        Insult, calling one-button and ignoramus a stranger to you, five.

                        I didn’t offend you and didn’t even intend to. I did not call you "moron" or "idiot" for example. In my opinion, the word "one-button" is the most suitable for you. except for the headlines in the Russian press, you do not read anything and as soon as it comes to specifics and facts, you deflate like a balloon.
                        Quote: PalBor
                        Conclusion - you are Crimean, the daughter of an Ohvitser.

                        That's all you can do. When you learn to find and most importantly - verify information and answer for your words - then we'll talk.
                  2. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 23 December 2019 11: 30
                    +9
                    Quote: littoral
                    If you're talking about Phelps, then his own federation punished him.

                    How?
                    Threatened with a finger? laughing
                    And you are aware that this wada is striped and is not close to NHL and basketball and does not allow close.
                    And as for "their own punished", it is all the same to replace the criminal code with the family one.
                    There is a difference when, for example, parents steal a slap from the priest for theft, and the state sends a couple of years to the bunk?
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 23 December 2019 21: 40
                      -3
                      "And you know that this wadoo is striped and does not come close to NHL and basketball and does not let it come close."

                      Well then, there is one conclusion:
                      Ours in this regard are helpless and useless. "
                      What are we admitting?
                      Sami is not anyone
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 24 December 2019 00: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Revival
                        What are we admitting?

                        We will not let them go to towns and dominoes.
                    2. littoral
                      littoral 24 December 2019 07: 14
                      -6
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Quote: littoral
                      If you're talking about Phelps, then his own federation punished him.

                      How?
                      Threatened with a finger?

                      In order for you to merge and no longer get into topics you don’t understand, I’ll ask you one simple question: What rules did WADA break with Phelps? wink
                2. opus
                  opus 23 December 2019 10: 46
                  -5
                  Quote: PalBor
                  Well why not an argument. I (conditionally) stole a bun - I was given 5 years

                  1.you declare this in court (pah, pah, don’t give a bo if you fly there) - look at the reaction of the court.
                  This is the sandbox level
                  2. There is a big difference:
                  - we have this "state program", but I don't know about them
                  -we have "stole, drank, to jail", those: doping-medal-the State Duma (or the apparatus of the Ministry of Sports), but they have this?
                  -Do they do it: the prosecutor’s office, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA?
                  -we have Mutko, and they?
                  Quote: PalBor
                  Let's then still "... and justice for all!"

                  Yes, let's do it.
                  ONLY how to do it?
                  To collect everyone at Seliger (at our expense) or some form with a freebie in St. Petersburg (at our expense) ... I'm afraid they won’t be surprised
              2. bk316
                bk316 23 December 2019 11: 15
                +10
                What is this argument of the one who is accused: "and you look at him, he, too, and even more"

                The normal argument. The fundamental principle of law is equality before the law. If this principle is violated, the question of the operation of the entire system arises.
                1. opus
                  opus 23 December 2019 12: 15
                  -4
                  Quote: bk316
                  The normal argument.

                  Once again, the law doesn’t work like that, this is not an argument.
                  They’ll take you as an opuz, let’s say for the theft of socialist property, and your mantras / howls that: Taburetkin stole in the Ministry of Defense, Vasiliev stole in the same place, colonels steal billions, 30 billion rubles were stolen at the eastern cosmodrome. and d
                  - I will not matter what
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 23 December 2019 12: 25
                    +10
                    - I will not matter what

                    In our criminal court, of course, they will not.
                    1. And in a jury, it’s completely. Send you quotes from Plevako?
                    2. Case law on such arguments does work. And what the hell is the international sports law? More likely just a precedent.
                    3. Your example is incorrect. The fact is that your courts are different. And this is one and the same court. Based on a different decision, in some circumstances, you can reject the composition.
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 23 December 2019 12: 36
                      -2
                      Quote: bk316
                      And in a jury trial

                      Quote: bk316
                      Case law

                      CAS is an arbitration court based on the principles of civil law. There is no side to criminal law. There are no jurors, presumption of innocence, etc. The principle of Probability Balance is working.
                    2. opus
                      opus 23 December 2019 12: 52
                      -6
                      Quote: bk316
                      1. And in a jury, it’s completely. Send you quotes from Plevako?

                      Why do they need me.
                      Now we have a completely different justice - basmanny.
                      The presidential administration, wanted to spit on Plevako, figuratively of course
                      Mordasov and Sidorov were charged under Part 3 of Art. 30 and part 1 of article 212 of the Criminal Code (Attempted organization of riots), Shashmin - under Part 3 of Art. 30 and h. 2 Article 212 of the Criminal Code (Attempt to participate in the riots). The prosecutor demanded that Mordasov and Sidorov be appointed in the maximum security colony - 8,5 years and 8 years, respectively, and Shashmin - 3 years in the general regime colony.

                      Quote: bk316
                      2. Case law

                      a precedent, this is not "the fool himself", what are you broadcasting about here. WHERE ARE THE DECISIONS (WADA, COURT) - IN WHICH THE AMERICOS JUSTIFIED, WITH SIMILAR COSTS AS WE HAVE?
                      There is? -> NO.
                      what precedent? You use rumors: one grandmother (Mutko, Skabeeva, Solovyov, Kiselev) said, and this grandmother does not inspire confidence, quite
                      Quote: bk316
                      The fact is that your courts are different

                      my examples are different
                      1. bk316
                        bk316 23 December 2019 13: 00
                        +7
                        Now we have a completely different justice - basmanny.

                        What does the Basmanny have to do with WADA or what?
                        Liam correctly wrote CAS Arbitration Court.
                        Just in arbitration proceedings, even we use the elements of case law.
                        True, here he is again right of an acquittal, for example, in the United States. And we cannot refer to it. Then we can demand the punishment of the United States according to our precedent.
                      2. opus
                        opus 23 December 2019 13: 10
                        -3
                        Quote: bk316
                        What does the Basmanny have to do with WADA or what?

                        and Plevako and the jury
                        Quote: bk316
                        "And in a jury trial. Will you send quotations from Plevako?"
                        What does ??????
                        Are we about WADA or what?

                        Quote: bk316
                        Then we can demand the punishment of the United States according to our precedent.

                        Well, let's try.
                        1.How? Technology: where to write, who to call?
                        2. On the basis of what (Rodchenkov ran them to us)?
                        It will look like this: a criminal whose guilt is proven, a convict who himself admitted to the crimes. Now he will ask that he would be punished by the warrior of that who is healthy, he also turns out (according to the criminal)
                      3. bk316
                        bk316 23 December 2019 13: 14
                        +4
                        Based on what

                        In CAS. Based on the destruction of doping samples in New York's WADA. We won’t win, but there will be a hype.
                        Accordingly, the sediment will remain.
                      4. Liam
                        Liam 23 December 2019 13: 26
                        -4
                        Quote: bk316
                        In CAS. Based on the destruction of doping samples in New York's WADA.

                        This is nothing more than a fake with an Internet wash.
                      5. opus
                        opus 23 December 2019 14: 10
                        -3
                        Quote: bk316
                        Based on the destruction of doping samples in New York's WADA.

                        are they destroyed?
                        when? what year?
                        Just, please do not quote Peskov, or is Solovyov there - it's a bad tone
                        / The trouble is that we "read", they pour into our heads what they want there ...
                        And can you believe them if they lie in 9 cases out of 10, even in small things
                      6. bk316
                        bk316 23 December 2019 14: 33
                        +5
                        are they destroyed?

                        So right there in VO and wrote.
                        Fake is not a fake how do I know.
                        Well, of course they lie, ALL LIE.
                        For example, I can tell you about mildonium dihydrate, because I know first-hand ....
                        I can about Angstrom products for the same reason ....
                        And so everything is in the media.
                      7. opus
                        opus 23 December 2019 15: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: bk316
                        So right there in VO and wrote.

                        here it happens they write that ...
                        but
                        "shame will not eat up your eyes"
                        fake hi

                        Quote: bk316
                        Well, of course they lie, ALL LIE.
                        For example, I can tell you about mildonium dihydrate, because I know first-hand ....

                        - I don’t know about everyone.
                        But the GDP managed to get into error 20 errors in 4 hours. global errors, specific in this direction
                        type
                        Quote: GDP
                        In hydropower, there has been a significant leap forward in generation, just a substantial, one might even say, leap ..

                        belay
                        In 1992, the installed electric capacity of Russian hydroelectric power stations (including the PSPP) was 43 MW.
                        According to OJSC SO UES, the total installed electric capacity of hydroelectric power plants of the UES of Russia as of January 1, 2019 is 48 506,3 MW.

                        The increase was 12%, We can’t talk about any leap in hydro generation. During the same time, the increase in installed capacity of hydroelectric power plants in the world amounted to 88%.


                        Let's say that in Russia there has never been a helicopter engine building. Now there is, we have built factories, including in St. Petersburg, and, above all, in St. Petersburg

                        belay

                        The V. Y. Klimov Leningrad Design Bureau in 1962 developed the GTD-350 turboshaft engine for the Mi-2 helicopter, in 1963 the TV2−117 engine for the Mi-8 helicopter, and in 1972 the TV3−117 engine for the Mi -24. About 22 TV000−2 engines (and its modifications) were produced at the Perm Motor Plant from 117 to 1965. In the 1997s, Klimov Design Bureau developed VK-1990 and VK-2500 engines.
                        For some reason, Putin considers the issue of VK-2500, launched in St. Petersburg at a new site, to be the beginning of the Russian helicopter engine building.


                        ============================
                        I tried to buy meldonium in Turkey, swore, together with a pharmacist, to Europe


                        Quote: bk316
                        angstroms for the same reason ....

                        and what is there "such-such"?
                        10 years (and this is not the end, believe me).
                        1 billion dollars fute.
                        Mysterious 0.25 microns. And again plans.
                        No 15 thousand plates.
                        ... proceeds from the sale of products for 2016 Angstrem-T amounted to
                        about 56 million rubles
                        +
                        In 2017-2018, about 30 lawsuits in the company were opened in the database of the Moscow arbitration.
                        Below are the largest (we take a trifle for a couple of three million rubles), according to which the court ordered Angstrem-T to pay:

                        It reminds me of something ... RUSNANO, no \?
                      8. Alex_59
                        Alex_59 23 December 2019 16: 06
                        +2
                        Quote: opus
                        About 22 TV000−2 engines (and its modifications) were produced at the Perm Motor Plant from 117 to 1965. In the 1997s, Klimov Design Bureau developed VK-1990 and VK-2500 engines

                        And also the D-25V engines for the Mi-6, plus a helicopter gearbox for it. They began to "try" to produce TV3-117 engines in St. Petersburg back in the 00s and made them in small series since 2010, when there was still no import substitution.
                    3. Altona
                      Altona 23 December 2019 15: 12
                      0
                      Quote: bk316
                      2. Case law on such arguments does work. And what the hell is the international sports law? More likely just a precedent.

                      --------------------
                      I am not a lawyer of course, but the continental and Anglo-Saxon systems of law are different. That is, there is a substitution of the system of law for the Anglo-Saxon case law, including through pressure on the CAS they will replace the competition of the parties with a precedent. That is, there was a precedent, the rest does not bother, you can at least turn inside with your fur or even jump out of the skin.
                    4. Revival
                      Revival 23 December 2019 21: 42
                      -3
                      Try to reject the composition in Russia)))
                    5. littoral
                      littoral 24 December 2019 07: 23
                      -3
                      Quote: bk316
                      - I will not matter what

                      In our criminal court, of course, they will not.
                      1. And in a jury, it’s completely. Send you quotes from Plevako?
                      2. Case law on such arguments does work. And what the hell is the international sports law? More likely just a precedent.
                      3. Your example is incorrect. The fact is that your courts are different. And this is one and the same court. Based on a different decision, in some circumstances, you can reject the composition.


                      You can immediately see a specialist in international sports arbitration!
                  2. Liam
                    Liam 23 December 2019 12: 43
                    -1
                    Quote: opus
                    I will not matter what

                    Of course they won’t.

                    In Anglo-Saxon law, the standard of proof is the criterion against which evidence is assessed and facts are established. There are two main standards - "the preponderance of evidence" (aka "balance of probabilities") and "beyond the bounds of reasonable doubt" (he is so beloved by Russians who are far from jurisprudence, the Hayley Likley principle). CAS works precisely according to these principles. Therefore, all these "and here they have .. and you prove .. "- talk for the poor
              3. Ka-52
                Ka-52 24 December 2019 07: 50
                +1
                it has nothing to do with us. What is this argument of the one who is accused: "and you look at him, he, too, and even more"

                very much has. The concept of objectivity and punishment should not be crooked. A system that demonstrates a bias towards violations of one side and ignores violations of the other cannot be considered objective. The principle of punishment for all is violated. Therefore, the best way is to ignore such a system.
              4. Ka-52
                Ka-52 24 December 2019 07: 56
                +2
                82+ potentially 145 = potentially 227. First place is potentially guaranteed.

                and how often the charges are not brought to actual, but to potential offenders in the justice system? And let’s judge by the general theory of Lombrazo - he didn’t go out in the face - to prison. Here comes life ....
                what considerations did you follow in such judgments? Probably only the considerations of the leadership of WADA.
            3. ℳy ℒiƒℯ
              ℳy ℒiƒℯ 23 December 2019 09: 25
              -14
              Why, for example, not put the most correct in the world


              Because in the USA, doping experts are punished, but not awarded with state awards and employed in the State Duma.
              1. Den717
                Den717 23 December 2019 09: 47
                +9
                Quote: ℳy ℒiƒℯ
                Because in the USA, doping experts are punished, but not awarded with state awards and employed in the State Duma.

                Probably you did not read the article under discussion, in which the data of the WADA investigation are presented - the United States violates anti-doping laws more than the Russian Federation. This is despite the fact that permits for illegal drugs for "special" athletes for the United States are issued tens of times more than those for athletes from the Russian Federation.
                It turned out that according to the results of the study, the greatest number of doping cases was recorded among Italian athletes - 171. Athletes from France and the USA ranked second and third. 128 and 103 cases, respectively.

                So you do not strain, read the quote .....
              2. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 23 December 2019 12: 44
                +6
                Quote: ℳy ℒiƒℯ
                in the USA, doping experts are being punished,

                laughing laughing laughing If the avatar matches, then a 50% discount. yes
              3. Sarmat Sanych
                Sarmat Sanych 23 December 2019 15: 48
                +4
                Yeah, that's why Serena Williams and Simone Biles USADA officially (I emphasize) allowed the use of 7 illegal drugs, the most harmless of which is methamphetamine. Indications - "attention deficit disorderwassat.
              4. Lyuba1965_01
                Lyuba1965_01 23 December 2019 18: 09
                +2
                Quote: ℳy ℒiƒℯ
                Because in the USA, doping experts are punished, but not awarded with state awards and employed in the State Duma.
                No, not really.
                And there they can award, issue awards for victories from the state.
                Only, here's the problem: in the States there are a lot of officially ill athletes
                And they are sick even more seriously than the Norwegian "asthmatics".
                They have an incurable and very serious illness called attention deficit disorder (ADD).
                And it is precisely because of this disease that he officially takes those drugs that are forbidden to ours, and to other athletes.
                Well, what can we do .... it is only in backward Russia that healthy people should engage in high-performance sports, and there, apparently, only purely sick people are involved in sports.
              5. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 24 December 2019 00: 51
                +3
                Quote: ℳy ℒiƒℯ
                Because in the US, doping experts are being punished,

                recourse yeah okayooooooooh ????? wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
                Christian Coleman
                Jarrion Lawson
                Edgie wilson
                Madison Cox
                Gil Roberts

                not to mention ... "Fancy Bears: Over 200 American Athletes Have Doping Permits"
                https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1669579/

                Well this vashcheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaw wink laughing laughing laughing
            4. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 23 December 2019 10: 01
              -1
              Quote: AnpeL
              So that’s why the question is for your wad, Russia is not even among the top three consumers (although this is still an issue), but it is Russia that is being removed

              And who dares to remove the owner from this "vada".
            5. Stone
              Stone 23 December 2019 14: 32
              -2
              https://m.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/streamofconsciousness/2669515.html. Отбросив дутый патриотизм, постарайтесь вникнуть в суть и понять почему отстранили спортсменов РФ.
              1. Kelwin
                Kelwin 23 December 2019 22: 25
                +1
                Quote: Steen
                understand the essence and understand

                I was not too lazy, I read it. Enchanting of course. But the actions of the "admin" are generally beyond everything. It is clear that it was necessary to clean the database logs, although it is not clear why it was impossible to turn off logging, well, let's say you can't, I don't know what the database is, but wiping free disk space in this way is just stupidity at the level of a student. And then, was there really one physical disk there? The same is unlikely, at least, there should have been a raid-5 array of at least three disks, this is actually a server, and not pisyuk for viewing hentai, respectively, a fault-tolerant disk system is available. And it is useless to wipe on a hardware array, you need access to a physical disk at the port level. So why did the admin do this nonsense?
                In general, I don’t know what’s happening with the sample-bases-substitutions, but the actions attributed to the administrator with the disk system, in my opinion, smack of nonsense ...
            6. NEXUS
              NEXUS 23 December 2019 20: 51
              0
              Quote: AnpeL
              So that’s why the question is for your wad, Russia is not even among the top three consumers (although this is still an issue), but it is Russia that is being removed.

              And you are so outraged that you don’t know at all that there is a war going on against us, in which the West has a bunch of aces on its hands against us, including this one, in the form of sanctions in sports.
              How do these sanctions differ from the economic and political sanctions that apply to us? Nothing at all ...
              The war is on. Or do you not understand that the war has so many faces and the one in which one of the many shoot and bomb.
              Quote: AnpeL
              Why, for example, not put the most correct in the world?

              The idiotic question is in itself, since WADs, IOCs and so on are Western cantors who, by definition, cannot play against their masters.
              What pro-Russian sports organization like VADA is on the international stage that could say something in defense of our athletes? Yes, no!
              And how are you going to put the West in its place in this situevina? What leverage do we have, even if the international courts are all in the pocket of Washington and London?
              Or are you just stupidly wanting to scratch a stupid slogan in defense of us? It sucks, I tell you.
            7. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 23 December 2019 23: 43
              0
              Quote: AnpeL
              So that’s why the question is for your wad, Russia is not even among the top three consumers (although this is still an issue), but it is Russia that is being removed. Why, for example, not put the most correct in the world?

              here it must be taken into account that the statistics do not include cases of doping under the guise of a reference from a wada !!! request request I think the Americans would then be the first on the list !!! wassat wassat wassat
          2. AnpeL
            AnpeL 23 December 2019 08: 42
            +13
            And what kind of peasant in a swimsuit in the photo?
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 23 December 2019 09: 08
              +19
              The most titled gymnast in the world is Simone Biles (23 gold at the World Cup and Olympic Games). The prescription is eating anabolic steroids. The doctor allowed - WADA can not do anything wink .
              1. PalBor
                PalBor 23 December 2019 09: 27
                +14
                Not just anabolics. Amphetamines to fight hyperactivity, misunderstanding, and loneliness crying
                1. Xenofont
                  Xenofont 23 December 2019 09: 39
                  +7
                  Why is there! Opioids as a norm of life, if I'm not mistaken, in some of the Williams brothers.
              2. Liam
                Liam 23 December 2019 09: 31
                -2
                Quote: donavi49
                Prescription Anabolic Eats

                Seriously anabolics?
                1. ZAV69
                  ZAV69 23 December 2019 11: 24
                  +4
                  Quote: Liam
                  Seriously anabolics?

                  Well this comrade described himself. Although judging by the photo, yes, it’s eating. And with official permission, the drug from the inattention syndrome is eating, in essence a military special drug.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 23 December 2019 14: 16
                    -4
                    Quote: ZAV69
                    Well this comrade described

                    It just means that the comrade is not particularly in the subject and discards stale goods from the internet wash here.
                    By the way. Who gives permission for TI? WADA or International Sports Federation? Gymnastics in this case
              3. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 23 December 2019 10: 14
                -1
                Quote: donavi49
                The doctor allowed - WADA can not do anything

                He who pays dances with the bride.
            2. opus
              opus 23 December 2019 09: 23
              +8
              Quote: AnpeL
              And what kind of peasant in a swimsuit in the photo?



              Yeah. "little man" good

              Since 2012, she repeatedly used stimulants d - amphetamine / dextroamphetamine for "therapeutic" purposes, 2016: August 11, 14, 15 and 16, she passed a positive doping test for psychostimulant methylphenidate 4 (four times)
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 23 December 2019 11: 25
                +2
                Yeah, my head seems to be sticky in Photoshop.
            3. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 23 December 2019 13: 54
              0
              Quote: AnpeL
              And what kind of peasant in a swimsuit in the photo?

              I saw my brother-in-law so drunk in the dark in the forest at night, dragged him ... (and he had to wash his face) then it cost a lot for my card. the apology was three days ... with meat, and cognac. laughing
            4. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 24 December 2019 00: 59
              +3
              Quote: AnpeL
              And what kind of peasant in a swimsuit in the photo?

              this is simon amphetamanschik !!! wink wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
          3. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 23 December 2019 08: 47
            +16
            At the same time, the IOC accepted the “recommendations” of WADA and stated that the Russians would be able to speak at the Olympic Games 2020 “only under a neutral flag”.

            Russia needs to declare that the ban on our athletes flying the Russian flag is tantamount to insulting or humiliating it, with all the ensuing ... Comrades are waging war against Russia!
            1. bessmertniy
              bessmertniy 23 December 2019 08: 57
              +4
              Then it is necessary to punish France, the USA and Brazil in the same way. Sports officials need to be at least a little sane in order to act objectively. Although where is he mind fool when, it seems, officials just bought. negative
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 23 December 2019 10: 16
                +2
                Quote: bessmertniy
                Sports officials need to be at least a little sane in order to act objectively.

                There is no common sense, there is only an order from the top.
            2. Den717
              Den717 23 December 2019 09: 57
              +8
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              Russia needs to announce that the ban on our athletes flying the Russian flag is tantamount to insulting or humiliating it, with all the ensuing.

              And what follows? Are we going to bomb the USA? Shall we withdraw our seats in the Union? Shall we restrict trade with the USA (in those insignificant volumes for them)? Suggest practical measures that can "flow out" ... the USA on everything and all of us ............. Is it not clear? Only alternative games can save something. And it is better - 1. to disqualify all identified doping users forever, or even bring them to criminal responsibility; 2. make domestic championships more attractive to athletes, advertisers and other investors; 3. To direct the released funds to sports work in schools, so that everyone who can do physical education can be attracted to competitions. The Ministry of Education should take into account the experience of the Ministry of Defense in integrating competitive media support for combat training. Schools should become real sports teams, with their own uniform, competition grid, broadcast, prizes (useful for development, and not just monetary grants).
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 23 December 2019 10: 48
                +3
                Quote: Den717
                And what follows?

                And what flows in flows out! First: outlaw WADA and its officials. Secondly: to file them with international courts and, in case of winning, to demand from them also lost profits (and this is new advertising contracts and not received profit from the banned world championships in our country, etc.). Thirdly: to break contracts with advertisers in view of force majeure. Let these firms sue WADA themselves. Fourthly: to cancel the television broadcast of the Olympic Games in our country - that is, to throw OK and WADA on the grandmother. And fifth: stop paying contributions to WADA and OC. Let their sabbath be spent for their mani-mani. I am sure that Russia still has quite a few points to cool the hot heads of the Wada functionaries. It's up to the "small": to accept this political decision by our supreme power. But here I have big-and-and-th doubts ... hi
                1. Den717
                  Den717 23 December 2019 10: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  First: outlawing WADA and its officials.

                  To whom? Who will hear?
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  Secondly: file them with international courts

                  Already served, have not heard of success. The Western judicial system will not bite the British eyes. Doubt it? I do not really.
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  break contracts with advertisers in view of force majeure.

                  First you need to read the contracts with investors, and understand what force majeure is. I'm afraid you have a poor idea of ​​what it is and in what cases you can refer to this phenomenon.
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  And fifth: stop paying contributions to WADA and OK.

                  It is possible. But at the same time it will be necessary to forget what international competition is from the words "in general" and "absolutely". By the way, WADA is striving for the same together with sponsors from the USA. They don't care about money, the main thing is to remove competitors. This is a matter of prestige, money is not counted there.
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  I am sure that Russia still has quite a few points to cool the hot heads of the Wada functionaries.

                  Not at all a fact ... Besides concerns and other blah blah.
                  Do not forget that we are not a very significant part of civilization, and we are not bandits and are limited by concepts of conscience, honor, rules, etc.
                  1. SRC P-15
                    SRC P-15 23 December 2019 11: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: Den717
                    This is a matter of prestige, they don’t count money there.

                    They think, even as they think! It is money that can put them in their place. Remind me how many of our athletes have seized their right to speak at past Olympic Games? (This is by the way about the western judicial system). But we had to go further, but for some reason our state washed our hands. I say again: here we need the political will of the leadership. But there, it seems, his opinion is different from mine.
                    1. Den717
                      Den717 23 December 2019 15: 24
                      +3
                      Quote: СРЦ П-15
                      It is money that can put them in their place.

                      Do you own the cost figures for this whole doping scandal? Who is "them"? The State Department annually spends $ 500 million on "developing democracy" in our country. They do not mind. And here, too, do not mind. Do you think Rodchenkov was found by chance on the street and he offered his services for 3 rubles? A lot, a lot has been invested in this operation ... And all in order to squeeze us out of their sport. Is something not getting the IOC? They don't give a damn about the IOC and WADA to boot. These are not American structures, why would they bother with them? The main thing for the United States is to wipe our nose, and to fill all the pedestals with our mutants.
              2. Trigger-Happy
                Trigger-Happy 23 December 2019 12: 17
                +1
                Quote: Den717
                2. make domestic championships more attractive for athletes, advertisers and other investors;

                It is like: - "36 Russian athletes massively" got sick "and withdrew from the competition in Irkutsk. This happened after the officers of the Russian anti-doping agency (RUSADA) arrived at the competition with an inspection." Source: http://usolie.info/news/sport/doping-skandal-v-irkutske-atlety-massovo-snyalis-s-sorevnovaniy-uznav-o-priezde-doping-inspektorov.html
                1. Den717
                  Den717 23 December 2019 15: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Trigger-Happy
                  It is like: - "36 Russian athletes massively" got sick "and withdrew from the competition in Irkutsk. It happened after the officers of the Russian anti-doping agency (RUSADA) arrived at the competition with an inspection."

                  When I said that it was necessary to attract someone in all severity, I meant exactly that. Sports of high achievements have turned into a conveyor of crippled celebrities. There have long been competing not with athletes, but with pharmaceutical companies. Do we need such a sport? Can it really leave him and build his own sports system? On our values ​​and tasks.
                  1. Trigger-Happy
                    Trigger-Happy 23 December 2019 16: 04
                    -2
                    Quote: Den717
                    Do we need such a sport? Can it really leave him and build his own sports system? On our values ​​and tasks.

                    Officials from sports should think about this, but not those who are now, everything is clear to everyone with these, they have shown their values, and I personally do not see the prerequisites for changing the situation for the better. Here many scold the damned west, but "assaults" have always been and always will be, only in this case they themselves shot themselves not even in the leg, but in the head. And they themselves admit it, I will quote Fetisov: - "Two-time Olympic champion and one of the most titled Russian and Soviet hockey players Vyacheslav Fetisov said against the background of the current scandal that" Russia is the most disgraced country in the history of world sports ", these words are quoted by TASS. This is the bottom comrades!
                    1. Den717
                      Den717 23 December 2019 17: 26
                      +3
                      Quote: Trigger-Happy
                      I will quote Fetisov:

                      Fetisov is a good hockey player, and nothing more. It is not at all necessary that he is an equally good specialist in the field of sports organization. When he was the head of the committee, and then the agency, there were no feats behind him. In any case, in the media space. Well, besides the fact that he tirelessly criticizes all his followers on the chair.
                      1. Trigger-Happy
                        Trigger-Happy 24 December 2019 09: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: Den717
                        Fetisov is a good hockey player, and nothing more. It is not at all necessary that he is an equally good specialist in the field of sports organization. When he was the head of the committee, and then the agency, there were no feats behind him.

                        Fetisov is a respected person, deputy and member of the Supreme Council of the United Russia Party !!! He is already aware of all that cuisine and is more knowledgeable than ours, and this phrase says a lot. Well, if he is a bad specialist and has not shown himself in any way in the position, what is he still doing there? What are Khorkina, Karelin, Valuev, Rodnina doing there, with all due respect? .... Maybe that's why every year we are farther and farther from the "bright future" ..........
                      2. Den717
                        Den717 24 December 2019 09: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: Trigger-Happy
                        What are Khorkina, Karelin, Valuev, Rodnina doing there, with all due respect ?.

                        That's absolutely the goal! What are they doing there? What bills can be developed by people who have spent their whole lives doing business far from legal science? They simply trade in their past achievements, won in a completely different field. If they were chosen by the people, then woe to this people and to me too .... But most likely they went through the EP list, included in order to add weight to their popularity and not interfere with the knowledgeable part to do their work. Using popular figures from sports, art, etc. - One of the ways of manipulating the opinion of the crowd in order to ensure political preferences.
          4. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 23 December 2019 13: 46
            -3
            Vyacheslav Viktorovich (Vyacheslav) Today, 12:31 NEW
            -2

            bot, you work poorly, they won’t pay you .... wassatmoreover, you sympathize with our country, and you are lazy, and not educated, and stupid .... the result: you are unemployed .... laughing
        2. Deck
          Deck 23 December 2019 09: 24
          -3
          And you did not read in this article about the recommendations of the wad on the removal of our athletes from major international competitions?


          And you read but, apparently, did not understand the essence of the solution. It was not athletes who were punished, but the state for supporting the doping program and muhlezh. There are no complaints against pure athletes.
          1. Pavel57
            Pavel57 23 December 2019 09: 34
            +1
            And who was cheating - Rodchenko?
      2. den3080
        den3080 23 December 2019 10: 27
        +1
        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        What has she done wrong now? Or is the comment irrelevant to the text of the news?

        The list is wrong! It was prepared / replaced at the last moment by Peters / Boshirs, who were introduced into a noble organization under the names Ingmar and Vitold.
        It was possible to "implement", however, only recently.
        And so, in the normal list, Russia comes first, then China, Iran and the DPRK. The candidates are Kenya, Mozambique and Djibouti (for providing China with a port under the Navy base).
        laughing
      3. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 23 December 2019 13: 12
        +1
        the problem is that WADA came up with a new reason to re-punish .. and they really do not want a new trial in the Arbitration .. but it will be like the last time they sat in a puddle
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 24 December 2019 01: 12
          +2
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          and it will be like the last time they sat in a puddle

          which, however, did not stop them from admitting our flag and selecting athletes for the Olympics themselves !!! this key problem !!! am am am
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 26 December 2019 22: 28
            0
            so that's the point, the Arbitration, on the one hand, justified the lion's share of the athletes, and on the other hand said "we cannot say by jurisdiction whether there was a doping system or not" .. but who is stopping us from suing anyway?
      4. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 23 December 2019 13: 52
        +1
        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        What has she done wrong now?

        She always makes Americans win. For example, it gives permission for the therapeutic use of phenyl-amphetamine - right during the competition. And a disabled person becomes an Olympic champion.
        50% of therapeutic doping approvals are awarded to American athletes. And since the doping control of "therapists" is weakened, you can eat something harder.
    2. loki565
      loki565 23 December 2019 09: 32
      +4
      There, a lot of money is spinning, especially if you need to close your eyes in one case and open wide in another)))

      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 23 December 2019 09: 51
        0
        Russia was punished for the alleged existence of a supposedly proven "state program" of doping in sports. Moreover, Russian state functionaries, in fact, themselves recognized its existence (in any case, "not strongly" denied it).
        1. Avior
          Avior 23 December 2019 17: 06
          +1
          Denied actually
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 December 2019 10: 17
        +1
        Quote: loki565
        There is a lot of money spinning, especially if you need to close your eyes in one case and open wide in another

        The sport is gone, there is money left.
    3. Lone gunman
      Lone gunman 23 December 2019 12: 17
      +1
      and who said that the Olympic Committee with Wada is not a private structure, they pay the loot, they order concerts ... there is nothing international on this planet, everything was bought long ago and paid for the planet. Remained insane "Soviet" people with their own mentality and reality and pumped white and African ... creatures.
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    5. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 23 December 2019 15: 44
      +3
      Sisters Williams and Simo Biles complained about biased, unplanned doping tests, due to which their erection weakened
      laughing
    6. boriz
      boriz 23 December 2019 16: 31
      0
      VADA has no special complaints against athletes. There are claims to stupid officials who impudently replaced samples. You can’t cheat competently, like everyone else - don’t get involved.
      And we all have a good idea of ​​the "mental" level of our officials ....
      Below the level of urban sewage.
      1. your1970
        your1970 23 December 2019 21: 49
        +2
        Quote: boriz
        VADA has no special complaints against athletes. There are claims to stupid officials who impudently replaced samples. You can’t cheat competently, like everyone else - don’t get involved.
        And we all have a good idea of ​​the "mental" level of our officials ....
        Below the level of urban sewage.
        -In general, the claims just to the athletes are their samples, not the "officials"
    7. Fat
      Fat 23 December 2019 23: 54
      0
      Quote: Pivot
      It is necessary to impose sanctions on this wada, with all the ensuing consequences for organizations collaborating with it.

      You just need to check: is there or not. Where there is. Where's the steampack ??? I am not in a condition. Estimate. ..?
  2. d1m1drol
    d1m1drol 23 December 2019 08: 23
    +13
    Boxers are handsome, it remains to confirm their words with action. In general, the IOC is still a girl with low social responsibility!
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 23 December 2019 08: 44
      +1
      Well, let's see if they are responsible for their words or not. If you really do not go, then I will begin to respect our athletes.
      I wonder why WADA only recommends Russia to remove, if we are only in 5th place? US to remove weakly? And then they themselves will find doping and drugs, and sexual harassment 20 years ago ...
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 23 December 2019 09: 21
        +1
        The number of identified ones is certainly good, but what percentage of athletes, of the total number in the Olympic team of each country, is caught in doping? The larger the team, the greater the discrepancy. If for example (let’s take from the lantern) a tiny Andorra, with one athlete, an Olympian (hypothetically) and caught using doping, it turns out that 100% of the team got caught. Although this is only one person. The Italians have 171. But how much is this in percentage?
        1. Avior
          Avior 23 December 2019 17: 08
          0
          It’s not just about the Olympic team
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 24 December 2019 01: 28
          +2
          Quote: orionvitt
          but what percentage of athletes, of the total number in the Olympic team of each country, is caught doping?

          there is a voluminous article, read) !!! however, an article from 2016 ... I think that since then the number of samples has at least not decreased !!! wassat wassat wink

          "... In general, it turns out that among the leaders in the summer sports, Russia has the largest number of violations. But at the same time, the depth of control is significantly different: more samples are taken from the athletes of the Russian Federation. For example, about 1,5 times than in Great Britain - 1,9 times than in Germany - 1,06 times.By the way, if we take the percentage, then in the above countries the percentage of violators in the total number is less, but by no means many times ... . "

          https://rsport.ria.ru/20160705/971060810.html
    2. yfast
      yfast 23 December 2019 11: 48
      0
      Boxers, in extreme cases, will be able to earn on the street. Well maybe more wrestlers. But the rest, how?
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 23 December 2019 08: 24
    +3
    Yes, this is pure "hitting" on Russia! fool
    1. novel66
      novel66 23 December 2019 08: 25
      +3
      oh dirty .... Volodya hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 23 December 2019 08: 56
        +1
        Good time to all! hi They muddy any water, they even manage dirty lol
        1. novel66
          novel66 23 December 2019 10: 09
          +2
          they are muddy, that's why Mutko love. Vit. Hello hi
    2. knn54
      knn54 23 December 2019 08: 38
      +5
      It’s just LONG time it was necessary to disperse domestic (?) Functionaries from sports.
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 24 December 2019 01: 30
        +3
        Quote: knn54
        It’s just LONG time it was necessary to disperse domestic (?) Functionaries from sports.

        what maybe we will change the president because of the desire of overseas scammers ??? wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
  4. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 23 December 2019 08: 24
    +14
    You can show as much as you like that our athletes are not the most important violators. We were not punished for the mass doping. The punishment ensued because WADA believes that in Russia the conditions for the use of doping by athletes were supported by the state and not just supported, and the state allegedly acted as the customer for the use of doping by athletes. It was for state support for doping that we were punished ... well, at least according to the official version of WADA. And not because we have the most athletes involved in the use of doping.
    The question is different ... Do Russia need the Olympic Games and sports in the form in which it is now in the Russian Federation?
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
      Vyacheslav Viktorovich 23 December 2019 08: 30
      -11
      Quote: Alex2048
      We were not punished for the mass doping.

      Wrong. (Amendment: read the text incorrectly - indeed, punished not for the mass doping. So I agree with the quote.) We were punished for faking the base of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory.
      1. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 23 December 2019 08: 32
        +7
        Wrong.

        Approx.
        We were punished for faking the base of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory.

        Who, under what circumstances and by whose order forged the base?
      2. cost
        cost 23 December 2019 08: 58
        +2
        Vyacheslav Viktorovich (Vyacheslav) We were punished for faking the base of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory.

        Have you been punished? So it goes -Ukraine base MAL forged ?. Oh, you will get Vyacheslav Viktorovich from your curators for this comment laughing
      3. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 23 December 2019 08: 59
        -1
        Wrong. (Amendment: the text was read incorrectly - indeed, they were not punished for the mass doping. So I agree with the quote.) We were punished for faking the base of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory.

        Anything can happen... wink drinks
        I did not understand just what this post is for you to minus? I wonder who burns like that? Just curiosity parses. lol
    2. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 23 December 2019 08: 48
      0
      Alex2048 (Yusupov Alexey)
      You can show as much as you like that our athletes are not the most important violators. We were not punished for the mass doping. The punishment ensued because WADA believes that in the Russian Federation the conditions for the use of doping by athletes were supported by the state and not just supported, and the state allegedly acted as the customer for the use of doping by athletes.
      Enough to spread this nonsense already. Type in the US is not at the state level? Look at the broiler in the first photo, he’s sitting on doping in general, and officially with the permission of the doctors. About Danish biathletic asthmatics, is this already a byword and what, does it outrage anyone in the world?
      1. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 23 December 2019 09: 04
        +2
        Type in the US is not at the state level?

        And you try to prove the same in the affirmative version without a question mark in WADA.
        Enough to spread this nonsense already.

        In this case, I just reported that the official position of WADA to impose sanctions on athletes of the Russian Federation is based not on the mass of doping, but on its state support. Since the text of the article is clearly provocative in nature and tries to counter the argument about the proof of state support for doping, its mass character.
      2. littoral
        littoral 23 December 2019 09: 40
        -4
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Enough to spread this nonsense already. Type in the US is not at the state level?

        Examples of fake databases please?
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Look at the broiler in the first photo, he’s sitting on doping in general, and officially with the permission of the doctors. About Danish biathletic asthmatics, is this already a byword and what, does it outrage anyone in the world?

        How many Russian athletes requested the same permissions and how many were refused?
  5. SNEAKY
    SNEAKY 23 December 2019 08: 27
    -5
    What a horror! Americans are also eating doping with kilograms! And how to live now? Well, there you see the athletes themselves, and in our country the government forces us to accept. Something like that.
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 23 December 2019 08: 42
      +1
      Americans differ from us in that they have the ability to set rules.
      There is no doubt that doping in professional sports is devouring everyone. The question is how to eat it without violating the established rules. Americans have more opportunities, because the development of doping drugs is carried out mainly by them.
      1. SNEAKY
        SNEAKY 23 December 2019 09: 06
        -5
        So I am about the same thing. They dictate the rules. Others apologize and kiss their sciatic nerve. How many have been thrown for meldonium!? But their analogue (as they wrote) is taken away not doping, because the name is different.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 23 December 2019 08: 39
    +3
    In the WADA report, Russia is not even among the top three violators.

    This is about athletes, in general .... took into account and remembered the lesson!
    Only this is not enough, as it turned out, where they do not establish the truth, but strive to fulfill the desires of himself, himself!
  7. Aliken
    Aliken 23 December 2019 08: 44
    0
    This is not WADA, but a bunch of inadequate, specially selected.
  8. littoral
    littoral 23 December 2019 08: 47
    -6
    But how is that ?! How could Americans come across doping more often than Russian athletes ?!
    After all, "everyone knows" that WADA is a "puppet dependent on the United States" and "what the owner says, he will write," but "does not see the violations of American athletes". recourse
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 December 2019 08: 59
      +5
      and the violations of American athletes "at close range".


      And if they write the true numbers for the United States, then this will be how to compare our military budgets ...
      1. littoral
        littoral 23 December 2019 09: 42
        -4
        Quote: cniza
        and the violations of American athletes "at close range".


        And if they write the true numbers for the United States, then this will be how to compare our military budgets ...

        Yes Yes. And in America, blacks are lynched.
        1. cniza
          cniza 23 December 2019 13: 44
          +1
          Think about yourself ...
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 24 December 2019 01: 44
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        and the violations of American athletes "at close range".


        And if they write the true numbers for the United States, then this will be how to compare our military budgets ...

        true figures are insured there, including therapeutic exceptions !!! wink laughing laughing laughing
  9. Horst78
    Horst78 23 December 2019 08: 57
    -2
    I thought about it at the Korean Olympics. Our investigative committee is opening criminal cases against "Natsiks" for shelling Donbass, so why can't they be against any "vada" and "mok"? Just start 20-40 cases and see the reaction. Why is it only the "usa" that has internal rights over the whole world? We, too, can secretly attract "rascals" in other countries. In the end, We also have the "great, mighty and just" Baumanov court in Moscow.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 December 2019 09: 04
      +4
      Quote: Horst78
      Just start affairs 20-40 and look at the reaction.

      It is possible to bring the defendants to the place of trial, as the United States does ... Maybe the mind will begin to live, and insanity will disappear?
      The Olympic Games should not be used by any asthmatic biathletes or depressive gymnasts as a celebration of the right to use stimulants. Either all on an equal footing, or ...
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 23 December 2019 15: 10
      -2
      The reaction will be in the form of a laugh, by the way, how did these things attract the defendants there, or purely for show?
  10. anjey
    anjey 23 December 2019 09: 01
    +5
    WADA publishes list of countries violating anti-doping rules: Russia is not in the top three
    Once again, it proves that politics is a dirty business, a bunch of sanctions on us from all sides, the US sanctions strike on the Nord Stream 2 arrived in time, and if Russia holds out and does not bend like the dead Swiss, I am sure that it will, then it really deserves to be called " The superpower "on our planet, and the arrogant Yankees with their henchmen from different countries, will also receive" Kuzkina Mother "in a variety of performances, including from our athletes, with their records.laughing
  11. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 23 December 2019 09: 07
    +1
    We are not punished for doping, but for the participation of officials in anti-doping control. For our officials, sport is a trough and business, and athletes are consumables. Yes, the President admitted, but ... "We are not abandoning our own." And the fact that there are only "Russophobes" in WADA is for the electorate ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 23 December 2019 15: 23
      -2
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      We are punished not for doping, but for the participation of officials in anti-doping control.

      --------------------------
      But somehow I’m already tired of watching this performance, where the curators make an icon of the athletes, although the athlete today is a professional entity who earns commerce and does not draw on the icon. He participates in commercial starts, carries sponsor advertisements on the form, receives prize money, receives sports scholarships from the federation and sports committee. Then the most prominent athletes are invited to the authorities, where they stamp anti-people’s laws for the people who were rooting for them and for whose money they were preparing. This is Rodnina with US citizenship, Valuev with Spanish citizenship, a certain Zhurov, before that there was Khorkina, now like Shipulin in the Duma. The list is extensive.
  12. K-50
    K-50 23 December 2019 09: 07
    +1
    In the WADA report, Russia is not even among the top three violators.

    another confirmation that sport is politicized, because for some reason it is not the FSA or the macaroni who are punished, but all the "bigwigs" are pouring on Russia. negative
  13. Fedorov
    Fedorov 23 December 2019 09: 13
    +2
    Olympics 80 somehow successfully passed without the participation of the United States. Maybe you should remember the forgotten old? And hammer a bolt on all sorts of golem organizations.
    From the realm of science fiction - if Russia and China jointly organize something and call others, the benefit of stadiums is the sea, fig what will remain from many "sports controlling Western parasites. It seems like there are enough of our own.
  14. Maks1995
    Maks1995 23 December 2019 09: 29
    +3
    It's just that crooks from the Kremlin are accustomed to getting away with it.

    For the second time, the anti-doping base cannot be faked normally.

    And all kinds of sports doctors were so optimized that there was no one left to intervene for us ....
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 December 2019 09: 52
    +1
    Themselves acknowledged the politicization of their decisions and discriminatory policies towards Russia. International "chemists" have already signed before this in the same. Who is next?
  16. Fraracol_2
    Fraracol_2 23 December 2019 09: 54
    -3
    A thousand times everything has already been discussed, it was said, etc., that the sanctions are not for doping individual athletes. Use - catch, remove, no questions. Again, for the illiterate and gullible, they try to transfer the arrows in the wrong direction.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 23 December 2019 11: 01
      -3
      Quote: Fraancol_2
      A thousand times everything has already been discussed, it was said, etc., that the sanctions are not for doping individual athletes. Use - catch, remove, no questions. Again, for the illiterate and gullible, they try to transfer the arrows in the wrong direction.



      It is useless for them to explain this. They’re already shouting “Hurray!” minuses all sculpt.
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 24 December 2019 01: 48
        +3
        Quote: sergo1914
        They’re already shouting “Hurray!” minuses all sculpt.

        what and you sculpt all the pros ???? feel lol lol lol
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 24 December 2019 07: 35
          -4
          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          Quote: sergo1914
          They’re already shouting “Hurray!” minuses all sculpt.

          what and you sculpt all the pros ???? feel lol lol lol



          Before you settle down, understand the essence of the problem. Those are caught and punished. Ours was not caught. But our guides provided a broken base. Broken, Carl. With false data. And the stupidest (and others they just don’t know) begin to sculpt excuses. Learn the whole background. And with WADA payments - in practice, guilty plea.
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  17. solovald
    solovald 23 December 2019 10: 34
    0
    Russian boxers said that if they prohibit the use of national (state) attributes (flag, coat of arms, anthem) at the Russian Olympic Games, they will not go to the tournament

    And other sports federations?
  18. Sergst
    Sergst 23 December 2019 10: 38
    +1
    Quote: Fraancol_2
    A thousand times everything has already been discussed, it was said, etc., that the sanctions are not for doping individual athletes. Use - catch, remove, no questions. Again, for the illiterate and gullible, they try to transfer the arrows in the wrong direction.

    If the sanctions are not for the doping of individual athletes, then why are the athletes punished? They faked the base? Not. But let only the guilty and punished.
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2019 10: 46
      0
      Athletes are formally and not punished
      Can ride a white flag
      If you confirm the net doping history
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 23 December 2019 15: 12
      -5
      Because there all the samples are falsified and it is impossible to establish whether the athlete is to blame
  19. Sergst
    Sergst 23 December 2019 10: 48
    +1
    Quote: Avior
    Athletes are formally and not punished
    Can ride a white flag
    If you confirm the net doping history

    Do not fig yourself "not punished".
  20. Alex Fox
    Alex Fox 23 December 2019 11: 19
    -2
    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    Because the official representatives of Russia handed over to WADA a forged base of the Moscow anti-doping laboratory.

    1. Where is the evidence that they handed over the forged and not Rodchenkov they handed over their version of the base forged.
    2. With the base, it’s completely absurd, it turns out that the base is optional, you can keep everything on the knee in the journal ... but it’s possible in such a database based on microsoftware made also on the knee .... WADA does not have a generally accepted base, ak you can demand what is not, in general, this is not a base but an electronic journal.
  21. Alex Fox
    Alex Fox 23 December 2019 11: 24
    +1
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Russia needs to declare that the ban on our athletes flying the Russian flag is tantamount to insulting or humiliating it, with all the ensuing ... Comrades are waging war against Russia!

    Now there is an interesting discussion about the performance under the flag of the USSR since it is not prohibited. Such a country is no longer there, and it is neutral; they cannot ban it. Also use the anthem of the Soviet Union !!!! If they approve all this, they will tear the anus at the tan
  22. Alex Fox
    Alex Fox 23 December 2019 11: 27
    -1
    Quote: Max1995
    It's just that crooks from the Kremlin are accustomed to getting away with it.

    The RF IC has irrefutable evidence that the changes in the database were made precisely by Rodchenkov .....
    But the Galushkins will continue to carry nonsense
  23. ivselim
    ivselim 23 December 2019 11: 50
    +1
    Boxers are honored and respected.
  24. Asian
    Asian 23 December 2019 11: 52
    +1
    That’s what I can’t understand, it’s the question: why are SAMIM offered to athletes flying the state flag !!! prove your purity? (upon the use or non-use of prohibited drugs)
    In my understanding, if an athlete is invited and he begins to prove his purity, then from what side are the interests of the state tied to this issue?
    In other words, ALL !! the procedure of evidence or refutation of something lies with the state (i.e. its specialized power structures), which the athlete represents. The athlete in this process should be wholly and completely protected and protected by the state. And the state is obliged to ensure the safety of the athlete, as well as the security of his data and all kinds of information bases.
    In the past years, and even now, I have not seen, heard or read about any specific actions in defense of our sport by the state (in particular, the Ministry of Sports). I am not talking about the blah blah of individuals, but about any specific actions and RESULTS thereof.
    In fact, if an athlete himself begins to poke around the courts and authorities, proving his innocence and purity, then he is free from obligations to the state, i.e. he is individual.
  25. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 23 December 2019 11: 57
    +1
    and if we take into account that Russia is the leader in the number of inspections of athletes, then I really think that we are not even in the top ten
  26. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 23 December 2019 13: 00
    -3
    Quote: Pivot
    And you did not read in this article about the recommendations of the wad on the removal of our athletes from major international competitions?

    His head does not work. DOESN’T understand, even if the count on the head is comic.
  27. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 23 December 2019 13: 02
    -2
    Quote: aziat
    That’s what I can’t understand, it’s the question: why are SAMIM offered to athletes flying the state flag !!! prove your purity? (upon the use or non-use of prohibited drugs)
    In my understanding, if an athlete is invited and he begins to prove his purity, then from what side are the interests of the state tied to this issue?
    In other words, ALL !! the procedure of evidence or refutation of something lies with the state (i.e. its specialized power structures), which the athlete represents. The athlete in this process should be wholly and completely protected and protected by the state. And the state is obliged to ensure the safety of the athlete, as well as the security of his data and all kinds of information bases.
    In the past years, and even now, I have not seen, heard or read about any specific actions in defense of our sport by the state (in particular, the Ministry of Sports). I am not talking about the blah blah of individuals, but about any specific actions and RESULTS thereof.
    In fact, if an athlete himself begins to poke around the courts and authorities, proving his innocence and purity, then he is free from obligations to the state, i.e. he is individual.

    In order to understand, one must not be an Asian, but an American, buddy!
  28. Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi 23 December 2019 14: 00
    -1
    Does anyone have access to Russian sports functionaries? To propose an idea (but a point of reckoning - but mani) - for those who use therapeutic drugs - to take away three places from the result, and in commercial competitions not to pay prize money (while maintaining the occupied place).
  29. svp67
    svp67 23 December 2019 14: 34
    +1
    WADA publishes list of countries violating anti-doping rules: Russia is not in the top three
    For WADA Russia is OUT OF LIST
  30. Asian
    Asian 23 December 2019 14: 46
    +1
    Quote: Victor March 47
    In order to understand, one must not be an Asian, but an American, buddy!

    New riddle: What cannot an Asian understand, but an American can understand, and vice versa?
    This is not about national sports, but about the disciplines of international sports competitions, more precisely about the athletes representing the state in these disciplines, and about the role of the state in this process. And here it is impossible to be "a little pregnant", or the process is controlled, or "the cat abandoned the kittens, let (hereinafter)", to the well-known slogan "about sports ....."
  31. Sergst
    Sergst 23 December 2019 15: 22
    0
    Quote: Kronos
    Because there all the samples are falsified and it is impossible to establish whether the athlete is to blame

    Hmm, what about the presumption of innocence ??
    1. Liam
      Liam 23 December 2019 15: 24
      -5
      Quote: Sergst
      Quote: Kronos
      Because there all the samples are falsified and it is impossible to establish whether the athlete is to blame

      Hmm, what about the presumption of innocence ??

      The presumption of innocence exists only in criminal law. Sports are regulated by civil law, where there is no presumption of innocence.
  32. Sergst
    Sergst 23 December 2019 15: 34
    0
    Quote: Liam
    Quote: Sergst
    Quote: Kronos
    Because there all the samples are falsified and it is impossible to establish whether the athlete is to blame

    Hmm, what about the presumption of innocence ??

    The presumption of innocence exists only in criminal law. Sports are regulated by civil law, where there is no presumption of innocence.

    Well, yes, in sports this norm does not apply, it is a fact. And here are two questions - 1. Is this right? 2. I still do not understand what the athletes are accused of (those who were punished by deprivation, for example, of the right to fly under the flag of their country)? Was Rusvada malfunctioning? Well, this is not a problem of athletes and not their fault ....
    1. Liam
      Liam 23 December 2019 15: 58
      -4
      Quote: Sergst
      I still do not understand what the athletes are accused of (those who were punished by deprivation, for example, of the right to fly under the flag of their country)? Was Rusvada malfunctioning? Well, this is not a problem of athletes and not their fault ....

      Participation in the Olympics is not a right but a privilege. So there are no violations of the rights of pure athletes. He wants to speak, let him stand. He doesn’t want without a flag, let him sit at home. This is his choice and not his right. He believes that the absence of a flag will infringe him, let him to the court and demands compensation from those because of which Mr. Mutko, Kolobkov, Bastrykin, Mochalov, Nagorny, Balakhnichev and further on the list suffer
      1. Barmaleyka
        Barmaleyka 23 December 2019 22: 35
        0
        Quote: Liam
        Participation in the Olympics is not a right but a privilege.

        can you even refer to some law?
  33. Zampolit-m
    Zampolit-m 23 December 2019 16: 17
    +2
    Harassment of Russia continues and in a more cynical form ..
    The West requires a change of power in Russia and the return of the 90s .. Who wants this guys?
  34. NF68
    NF68 23 December 2019 16: 19
    +1
    The United States mixed so many things together that now they themselves can not figure it out.
  35. Sergst
    Sergst 23 December 2019 16: 56
    +1
    Quote: Liam
    Quote: Sergst
    I still do not understand what the athletes are accused of (those who were punished by deprivation, for example, of the right to fly under the flag of their country)? Was Rusvada malfunctioning? Well, this is not a problem of athletes and not their fault ....

    Participation in the Olympics is not a right but a privilege. So there are no violations of the rights of pure athletes. He wants to speak, let him stand. He doesn’t want without a flag, let him sit at home. This is his choice and not his right. He believes that the absence of a flag will infringe him, let him to the court and demands compensation from those because of which Mr. Mutko, Kolobkov, Bastrykin, Mochalov, Nagorny, Balakhnichev and further on the list suffer

    From the Official Clarifications to Rule 50 of the Olympic Charter "6. On the uniforms of competitors, team officials and other team personnel flag can be used or the Olympic emblem of their NOC and, with the permission of the OCOG, the Olympic emblem of the OCOG .... "- that is, the use of the NOC flag is a clear norm of the Olympic Charter and, therefore, right our delegation and right every athlete. And this right can be deprived only by changing the Olympic Charter itself.
    1. Liam
      Liam 23 December 2019 16: 58
      -5
      Quote: Sergst
      flag can be used

      The word Maybe, what does it mean in Russian?
      Semantic properties
      Value
      possibly, probably (used when expressing uncertain confirmation) ◆
      Synonyms
      maybe maybe probably maybe it seems like
  36. Sergst
    Sergst 23 December 2019 17: 09
    +1

    Maybe means that if the subject wants, he has the right to do this. Without any action or permission of third parties.
    1. Liam
      Liam 23 December 2019 17: 24
      -5
      Quote: Sergst
      Maybe means that if the subject wants, he has the right to do this. Without any action or permission of third parties.

      This is exclusively your personal interpretation.
      Based on your interpretation at the last Winter Olympics in Korea, the Russian athletes did not express a desire to participate under the national flag and therefore went under the white? Or did third parties decide this
  37. Looking for
    Looking for 23 December 2019 17: 10
    0
    This is not to be brought to our attention. But to the leadership of all the IOCs and WADAs there, and to fight for their arguments.
  38. Sergst
    Sergst 23 December 2019 17: 31
    +1
    Quote: Liam
    Quote: Sergst
    Maybe means that if the subject wants, he has the right to do this. Without any action or permission of third parties.

    This is exclusively your personal interpretation.
    Based on your interpretation at the last Winter Olympics in Korea, the Russian athletes did not express a desire to participate under the national flag and therefore went under the white? Or did third parties decide this

    Of course, this was decided by third parties. They decided illegally, in violation of the Charter, and the functionaries on our part could not prevent this. But, this is a different topic.
    1. Liam
      Liam 23 December 2019 17: 43
      -3
      Quote: Sergst
      Of course, this was decided by third parties. They decided illegally, in violation of the Charter, and the functionaries on our part could not prevent this. But, this is a different topic.

      This is not even funny. In fact, the Olympics if a simplified-private party organization called the IOC. And only the party organizer decides who and in what capacity to invite. And the dress code sets). He can exclude any NOC from the Olympics for various reasons, including political ones. For example, as South Africa was excluded for apartheid. It can be excluded for doping reasons. It can be partially excluded (as it excluded the Russian athletics at the Rio Games). And it can completely as in Korea. And to admit there only a part of the athletes under the white flag. And the other part - not to admit even without explaining officially the motives (Shipulin, Ustyugov, Legkov, etc., etc.). And in all these cases, the court confirmed the correctness of the IOC.
      Since April 2018, the situation of Russia has become even worse. If the IOC still had the right to invite, then last year this right passed to the WADA. And the IOC committed itself to submit to the decision of the WADA.
  39. Petr1
    Petr1 23 December 2019 17: 40
    +1
    To our boxers respect and respect. Real men are not the rest.
  40. arnulla
    arnulla 23 December 2019 19: 38
    -1
    Until our power ceases to chew snot, Russia will be rummaged to all and sundry.
  41. Basarev
    Basarev 24 December 2019 09: 42
    -2
    It’s not even a matter of doping. And in the reaction. The Russian leadership should decide: either fully cooperate and recognize everything, or persevere to the end. It is precisely such duality and inconsistency that amuses most of all.
  42. Spartanec
    Spartanec 24 December 2019 09: 52
    +2
    I read here a little, commentators especially made laugh about the fact that we had been removed for the falsification of the database. Laughing straight. Everything that happens happens for the money. Pay me and provide the western media resource and I will prove to the whole world that the US constitution is falsified and I have a real constitution that I compose for 30 minutes on my knee))). Examples of Western lies are a wagon and a small cart. Respect for the boxers, if executed I will respect them very much. I personally am not interested in watching the latest competitions. If the athlete does not respect the flag of the country, then does not respect the country and its inhabitants. Therefore, respect itself is not worthy. He wants to appear under the white flag, let him leave the federation, pay for his trips, training, coaches, etc., etc. and then he goes and performs. The fact that a war is going on against us is understandable even to an idiot (not to be confused with a liberal, these are dumber), and then they decide whether to fight for a country or under a white flag if they give money. And there a barrel of jam and a kilogram of cookies for such will always be found. Another thing is scary, I have the feeling that the betrayal of the interests of the country is now widespread, and especially among officials. The fish is known to rot from the head, but that's another story.
  43. Sergey Bulaev
    Sergey Bulaev 19 February 2020 21: 42
    0
    British athletes do not check at all?