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Turkish politics: the path to a new war in the Middle East

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Modern Turkey has long been pursuing an independent policy in the region, which many political scientists call neo-Ottoman. Ankara really claims to be the new regional superpower. But what consequences such ambitions of the Turkish leadership can lead to is not very clear.


Gradual break with the USA


The first evidence of Turkey’s new global plans and ambitions is the deterioration of relations with the United States. America’s loyal geopolitical ally, modern Turkey no longer wishes to follow the orbit of American influence and be an additional small gendarme in the region. Therefore, Recep Erdogan decided on a demonstrative conflict with Donald Trump over the purchase of Russian S-400s.

When the American leadership threatened the Turks with sanctions, they, without hesitation, immediately raised the question of the continued existence of US military bases in Turkey. For the US, military bases, especially in Incirlik, are very important. After all, Turkey has a strategic position in the region and allows you to control the Middle East, the Balkans, the Black Sea, the Caucasus. In Incirlik, for example, an American aviation.

Most of the Turkish left at one time shed rivers of blood during the May Day demonstrations, demanding that the Turkish authorities withdraw the American troops from the country. Turkish blood poured, because then it was extremely unprofitable for the generals to get rid of American bases, and the owners overseas gave permission to beat peaceful demonstrators.

In response, in Turkey, at one time, and very actively, leftist groups, whose fighters abducted the American military, carried out terrorist attacks against American military installations in Turkey. About this, the author of the article has a whole series of materials.

As for the modern Turkish elite, now the situation has changed. And now the far-right Erdogan is threatening to do what the Turkish left has dreamed for decades. He understands that the withdrawal of American bases will not only give him additional political points, but will also make him the real father of the nation, who saved the country from a foreign military presence.

In addition, Erdogan seriously believes that it is Ankara, not Moscow or Washington, that should play a paramount role in foreign policy issues in the Middle East, including in those countries that once were part of the Ottoman Empire.

Indeed, almost all the countries of the Arab Spring of 2011 are Ottoman countries: Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Syria, Yemen. And Turkey considers itself entitled to take part in their politics, at least as much as Great Britain - to participate in the affairs of the Commonwealth or France in the former French colonies.

Of course, the Americans will find alternative options for placing their bases, for example, in Greece or Cyprus, but this will require cash investments, and most importantly - time. The Pentagon is ready for such a scenario, since they consider Turkey’s policies unpredictable.

The next evidence of Turkey’s revitalization is a military operation in Syria. So much has been written about it that it would not have been possible to repeat it if it were not for the need to point out that the main clash of Turkish and American interests occurred here on Syrian soil. Having attacked the Syrian Kurds, the Turks acted precisely in the interests of reviving their right to control the former Ottoman territories.

Libyan Gambit of Turkey


In recent years, Turkey has played a very large role in the military-political conflict in Libya. Recall that it was Libya that was one of the last countries that were part of the Ottoman Empire: Turkey lost it before the First World War, losing the war with Italy.

Turkish politics: the path to a new war in the Middle East

Turkey is now announcing political and economic interests in Libya. Thus, the Libyan oil and gas interests the Turkish side no less, if not more, than the possibility of establishing control over the northern regions of Syria. Indeed, huge money is at stake.

Now Turkey supports the Government of National Accord in Libya, and Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar is seen as the most important opponent of Turkish influence in the region. On December 9, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that the signing of a military cooperation agreement with the PNS on November 27 gives Ankara the right to deploy Turkish forces in Libya and at the request of the Libyan people.

In fact, this means that Erdogan is showing his willingness to repeat in Libya the same scenario that Russia tested in Syria, having come to the aid of the legitimate government of Syria. After a meeting in Istanbul between representatives of the Turkish leadership, headed by Erdogan and the head of the Government of the National Accord of Libya, Faiz al-Saraj, the Turkish armed forces began training troops in Libya.

There is evidence of orders received by the Navy and Turkish Air Force command to begin work on preparing the rapid deployment of aircraft, helicopters and ships. These measures can mean both a banal demonstration of force and preparation for a large-scale military operation of the Turkish armed forces abroad.

Of course, Turkey will still not go for direct intervention in Libya to confront Haftar with absolute certainty, but it is possible that the operation will nevertheless take place, if only to frighten the Marshal and his supporters and bring down some of their plans.

Thus, it is precisely in Libya that, in the very foreseeable future, a new armed confrontation may unfold, in which not only Libyan military-political groups, but also the armed forces of other states will be involved.

Naturally, the situation is disturbed by other key players in the Middle East - from the US to Russia. So, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo advocated that Moscow influence Marshal Khalif Haftar, advising him to curtail the plan of attack on Tripoli, since this attack could provoke a Turkish military operation.

In Libya, there has been a split between Russia and Turkey


Erdogan’s actions to support the Libyan National Accord Government create a new line of intersection of Russian and Turkish interests. As you know, Russia, if it does not openly support Marshal Khalifa Haftar, at least considers him a full-fledged actor in the political process. Haftar is received in Moscow at the highest level.

Erdogan, emphasizing his sharply negative attitude to the actions of the Libyan national army of Haftar, recently attacked the Russian mercenaries from PMC Wagner, whom he promises not to allow acting in Libya. This is a very tough statement, with Erdogan directly talking about the presence of Russians in Libya, although he could have circumvented this topic against the backdrop of cooperation with Russia in Syria.

Russian mercenaries, according to the Turkish president, are working in Libya for the commander of the LNA, Marshal Khalif Haftar. The arrival of such mercenaries in Libya in September was announced by the authoritative Bloomberg publication, citing its own sources. In November, the version of the arrival of several hundred PMC mercenaries from Libya was also distributed by The New York Times.

Information on flights of Ukrainian aircraft from Turkey to Libya, on which they are flown, is also published. weapon and military equipment for the militants of Sarraj. It is possible that military instructors and military specialists are sent along with weapons and military equipment to help train personnel of PNS formations. Indeed, the technical skills of many recruits are not up to par and need to be improved. Here, foreign instructors are required - from Turkish to American.

News Al-Marsad portal even cited photographs of destroyed Turkish-made armored vehicles as one of the evidence of the supply of Turkish weapons and military equipment. However, no one really doubts that the Turkish side is supplying weapons to the forces fighting for the government of Farraj.


Thus, a negative attitude on this issue may somewhat cool the normalization of relations with Russia that has taken place recently. The possibility of introducing Turkish troops into Libya may seriously concern Moscow, since restrictions on the supply of arms to Turkey may also be imposed, and here already are the interests of our military-industrial complex.

What are the prospects for the development of the conflict with the participation of Turkey


Former US Special Envoy to Libya Jonathan Weiner believes that Haftar’s army alone will not be able to capture Tripoli. Therefore, the Libyans, according to the diplomat, will have to pay a very high price. At the same time, Weiner considers unacceptable the possible participation of third forces in the hostilities in Libya.

In this regard, the growing stuffing about the participation of Russian mercenaries in the hostilities in Libya may cause additional indignation in the West, which will play into the hands of the Government of national consent, supported by both Turkey and the West.

If in Libya, mercenaries of PMC Wagner will fight on the side of Haftar, according to Western media, then in fact they will inevitably enter into combat contact with Turkish troops. In response, the Turks will kill PMC fighters, in fact, the Syrian situation will repeat itself, only in an even worse form.

The Libyan military-political conflict opens a new page in Turkey’s modern political ambitions. The neo-Ottomanism factor must now be borne in mind, rely on it, understanding that Turkey will now be taken care not only of the Kurds on the Syrian and Iraqi borders, but also of Libya, Yemen, Sudan, and many other states of the region. It cannot be said that Turkey is turning into a great world-class power, but it has already become a regional power, and everyone, including Russia, will have to reckon with it.
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  1. WILL
    WILL 23 December 2019 05: 38
    +12
    Erdogan - Raging! Turkey, of course, is not Limpopo, but I think it will not pull the role of the Regional Superpower. The region is very complex, everyone has their own ambitions.
    The entry of troops into Libya - I think its main strategic mistake. To oppose Turkey - To several blocks of countries at once ... To the Saudis and the United Arab Emirates (With Egypt), Iran (the Persians have their own interests) partially to Israel and Europe ... not a smart decision.
    Plus, he did not mention the United States and Russia - which also play their game in BV.
    Too Explosive Region - for the emergence of a new Regional Superpower, Erdogan is haunted by thoughts of the Neo-Ottoman Empire.
    1. knn54
      knn54 23 December 2019 09: 04
      +1
      The Saudis (almost the entire Arabian Peninsula were part of the Ottoman Empire) are also against.
      In anticipation of sanctions, increased opposition, the fall of the lira, Erdogan is left with a war.
      It seems that Wagner will have to "meet" the Turks from the SADAT PMC
      One moment, the Turkish army is weakened by purges. And it is unlikely to succeed in fighting on two (so far) fronts.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 23 December 2019 10: 27
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        In general, a lot depends on how the Arab countries relate to the situation. So far, their positions are somehow incomprehensible. But Turkey is unlikely to encounter only Russian interests in Libya. There are interests of its neighbors, and the United States, and the EU. And Erdogan may be trying to jump here on the bandwagon of the outgoing train. what
        1. cniza
          cniza 23 December 2019 18: 08
          +1
          Too Explosive Region - for the emergence of a new Regional Superpower, Erdogan is haunted by thoughts of the Neo-Ottoman Empire.


          There are too many comers. yes
    2. cost
      cost 23 December 2019 15: 13
      +1
      knn54 (Nikolai): Turkey, of course, is not Limpopo, but I think it will not pull the role of the Regional Superpower. The region is very complex, everyone has their own ambitions.

      Previously, somehow pulled. And not one hundred years. Indeed, almost all countries of the Arab Spring of 2011 are former Ottoman: Saudis, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Syria, Yemen. The region is really very complex, as you rightly say, everyone has their own ambitions. Therefore, Erdogan can find there not only opponents, but also supporters. His hands are not tied. In an extreme case, he will agree with Assad and withdraw a part of the forces from Syria. Iran is unlikely to get into this mess. With the Russian Federation, it will be settled by mutual desire. all controversial issues. He has a chance. Only he himself is ready for it? I think he himself has not yet decided
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 23 December 2019 18: 12
      +3
      Well, dreaming of a neo-Ottoman Empire is logical on his part. Turkey is a regional country, and the Ottoman Empire was a great power. Plus, he has a serious ally in the region - Qatar. It did not work with Syria, but it can happen with Libya.
      By the way, in my opinion, it was not by chance that the operation in Idlib began just when the Turks in Libya got stuck. Plus, the Turks have a bunch of militants from Syria, which must be adapted to the cause. PM SEND THEM TO FIGHT IN LIBYA - COMPLETELY LOGIC.
      Well, in general, exchange is possible. We do not help Haftar, and the Turks do not help the Idlib Basmachs.
      And in general, after the Greeks in fact declared war on the Russian Orthodox Church, you can make an exchange. Turks recognize Crimea as part of the Russian Federation, and we recognize northern Cyprus as part of Turkey. This will further link the Turks to us.
      1. WILL
        WILL 23 December 2019 18: 29
        +2
        Hmm ... Vitaliy hi plus to you! I thought about the exchange, but Greece did not bind ...
        Well, about Qatar - I do not agree, the Saudis if something happens ... they will simply strangle this DISASTERY, with huge reserves of Gaza.
        He in general - Qatar does not exist - but in spite of ... what
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 23 December 2019 22: 48
          +1
          In fact, Qatar didn’t want to strangle, but to seize. It was several years ago, Saudi Arabia and several countries of the region blocked all roads to Qatar. Even the shops disappeared, they were in desperate condition, waiting for the attack of their neighbors. The Turks came to them to help, they broke through the blockade, brought everything in and out. Moreover, they sent their special units there, telling the Saudis that they themselves would do business if they attacked. Now in Qatar there are 2 Turkish military bases, and the Saudis are no longer afraid of them.
    4. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 25 December 2019 03: 20
      0
      Quote: ANIMAL
      but the role of the Regional Superpower I think will not pull. The region is very complex, everyone has their own ambitions.
      400 years pulled. Ambition is shortened on the block or stake. In Libya, this has already happened, more than once in a new history.
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 23 December 2019 05: 55
    +4
    It has been known about Turkey since the 90s that it openly supported Islamic militants in Chechnya and now has not gone far, its direction is known.
    1. mammadov teymur
      mammadov teymur 23 December 2019 08: 32
      0
      it was Turkey’s answer for the PCC that Soviet Russia created, then one inconspicuous visit by Erdogan (at the beginning of his premiership) resolved this issue. Russia does not support the PCK and Turks Chechnya. everything will be fine because they found a common language
  3. Far B
    Far B 23 December 2019 05: 55
    0
    Chort, I am completely confused. So Ryjep, his mother, Tayyip - friend to us or enemy to us ??? Someone help me unravel.
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 23 December 2019 06: 15
      +1
      Quote: Dalny V
      Tayyip - friend to us or enemy to us ???

      This is such a friend for whom to hit in the back is as easy as shelling pears. Such people are always very dangerous. Putin has already seen this. But now Russia is additionally tied by the hands of the Turkish stream. So, you have to agree.
      1. Far B
        Far B 23 December 2019 06: 30
        -1
        But now Russia is additionally tied by hands also by the Turkish stream
        after
        Putin has already seen this
        ??? And now with him
        will have to agree
        ??? This is something from a series of Ukrainian air raids. But wait: we are convinced from every iron that we don’t need to, like in Ukraine ... Damn, I'm even more confused wassat
      2. mammadov teymur
        mammadov teymur 23 December 2019 08: 35
        +1
        and you ask, you yourself are a question: who are you, friend, ally, or so yourself passed by
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 23 December 2019 06: 19
      -7
      We are friends only the army, navy, Strategic Missile Forces and VKS! Oh, beautifully two arms and two wings!
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 23 December 2019 07: 34
        +4
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        We are friends only the army, navy, Strategic Missile Forces and VKS! Oh, beautifully two arms and two wings!

        Best friend, Vladimir, it's still the head.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 23 December 2019 08: 32
          -4
          And the head is the general staff! And what would be like on the current emblem, you can also count the Commander-in-Chief! Two heads!
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 23 December 2019 09: 41
      +1
      Quote: Far In
      Chort, I am completely confused. So Ryjep, his mother, Tayyip - friend to us or enemy to us ??? Someone help me unravel.

      Keep your friends close to you, and enemies even closer (s)
      No wonder in such proximity and get confused.
    4. Nkv3
      Nkv3 23 December 2019 14: 15
      -3
      "So fucking Ryjep, Tayyip is our friend or our enemy ??? Someone help to unravel."
      It all depends on what price tomatoes are in Russia today.
  4. eagle owl
    eagle owl 23 December 2019 06: 11
    +1
    There, the trick is that Greece is demonstratively joining the process - they have already hinted at the transfer of bases, and they are going to deport some Russians to the USA. moreover, in direct text - in exchange for US support in the Greek-Turkish conflict ...
    So a whiskered mustache can be cut together
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 23 December 2019 06: 12
    +2
    A knot in Libya, a good tie ... And it might not be .. But what can I do now ....
  6. 72jora72
    72jora72 23 December 2019 07: 16
    +1
    If in Libya, mercenaries of PMC Wagner will fight on the side of Haftar, according to Western media, then in fact they will inevitably enter into combat contact with Turkish troops. In response, the Turks will kill PMC fighters, in fact, the Syrian situation will repeat itself, only in an even worse form.
    Actually, Erdagan in Libya will inevitably come into conflict with Egypt, the Saudis, the Emirates, with the French, who are much more active in supporting the Hawtor than we are .....
    1. protoss
      protoss 23 December 2019 11: 10
      +1
      Erdogan is already in contra with all of the above, Libya is just another field for confrontation.
  7. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 23 December 2019 08: 20
    +3
    Turkey has a lot of things in the region "most" or close to "most" - the army, industry ...
    But with natural resources - trouble. The Turks have no particular choice - if they want real independence, then they must have their own resources, and without a fight no one will give them back ...
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 23 December 2019 08: 36
    -3
    Gradual break with the USA

    The Sultan wants to protect himself! this is normal, even very.
    In Libya, there has been a split between Russia and Turkey

    Why would it all be? Ours stood there on the side, and everything was under the nose of the Sultan, one might say.
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 23 December 2019 14: 12
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      Why would it all be? Ours stood there on the side, and everything was under the nose of the Sultan, one might say.


      We have no less interest in Libya than in Syria itself, this is, first of all:

      "The Russian presence in Libya is associated with oil and gas interests," said an interlocutor of RBC close to the Ministry of Defense. RBC article from 2018.

      There was also information that we have an interest in the construction of the railway, and in general purely economic interests, and if the authorities in the country take Haftar in our hands, we will get a good piece of the pie, it seems that there are already agreements, it’s not in vain warmly received in Moscow. In November 2018, he met with Shoigu and Gerasimov. And in 2019 in May, he was also on a visit :)
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 December 2019 14: 29
        -1
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        There was more information

        There’s an endless mess and lots of interested people ... whoever there wouldn’t dream of is not the mess that we can finish now.
        so sho dream is not harmful, but all this information is closer to the definition of OBS.
  9. Altai72
    Altai72 23 December 2019 08: 50
    0
    At the Geljuk military shipyard in northwestern Turkey, a solemn ceremony was launched to launch the Piri Reis submarine, named after the Ottoman navigator and cartographer. The super-maneuverable type 214 TN submarine became Turkey’s first submarine of its own assembly and was produced in tandem with the largest German shipyard HDW (Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft).
    Erdogan, speaking at the event, said that memoranda of understanding with Libya did not contradict Turkish law and international law. “Countries that criticize Turkey’s actions do not at all strive to ensure law and justice. They have completely different goals. Turkey will not give up actions in Syria and will not curtail the implementation of agreements with Libya, ”the Turkish leader promised.
    President Erdogan said that if necessary, Turkey will expand assistance to Libya, including in the defense sector. “We are ready to use the entire defense potential, including the Turkish land, naval and air forces,” the president emphasized.
  10. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 23 December 2019 08: 54
    +4
    Indeed, almost all the countries of the Arab Spring of 2011 are Ottoman countries: Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Syria, Yemen. And Turkey considers itself entitled to take part in their politics, at least as much as Great Britain - to participate in the affairs of the Commonwealth or France in the former French colonies.

    That is, Turkey has historically had ties with these regions and Turkish participation is justified, just like ours in the post-Soviet space - well, based on this paragraph.
    Thus, a negative attitude on this issue may somewhat cool the normalization of relations with Russia that has taken place recently. The possibility of introducing Turkish troops into Libya may seriously concern Moscow, since restrictions on the supply of arms to Turkey may also be imposed, and here already are the interests of our military-industrial complex.
    Where is Russia and where is Libya and what restrictions can we talk about if the S-400 has already been delivered ?! We will stop the Turkish stream and stop building Akkuyu (at our own expense, by the way) ?! And all because of the distant Libya, to which we are distantly related - well, it's ridiculous, the right word!
  11. Yrec
    Yrec 23 December 2019 09: 19
    +3
    "Mercenaries of PMC Wagner" - the same garbage as "Black Water" mattresses. A collective characteristic that unites dozens of "ethnic" PMCs. Haftar has been recruiting mercenaries for a long time, as is customary in Africa. It is enough to remember Bob Denard. Libyan warriors from both sides (as well as Syrian and many others) are not capable of conducting intense battles on their own - they need the support of "senior comrades" and training that lasts at least several weeks. Without mercenaries, Arab armies are cowardly, weakly controlled, armed mobs prone to looting. Erdogan, in my opinion, was late. If Haftar is decisive, the Turks will not dot help. The maximum is to evacuate the remnants of the PNS on their ships. But if Haftar drags out the assault on Tripoli, he will lose the initiative and get himself a second Idlib.
  12. Glory1974
    Glory1974 23 December 2019 10: 19
    0
    Turkey no longer wants to follow the orbit of American influence and be an additional small gendarme in the region. Therefore, Recep Erdogan decided on a demonstrative conflict with Donald Trump over the purchase of Russian S-400s.

    The Turks bought the S-400, so that in the event of a breakdown they would not be remotely disconnected from all air defenses like Saddam Hussein. Consequently, Erdogan is going to have a snack with NATO countries. His main rival is Greece. There are disputed islands and the sea shelf. The military programs of the Turks are designed until 2023, after which decisive action should be expected to return their territories. While preparations are underway: they are cleansing terrorists and their borders, trying to organize bases in adjacent territories. Enough of their power, let's see.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 23 December 2019 10: 34
      0
      Under Turkish growing nationalism, Erdogan will have difficulty finding a common language with others. And with Greece it can turn out to be very sad for Turkey - they can put up such sanctions that it will be more like a blockade. Therefore, she does not make sense to quarrel with Russia in Libya. feel feel
  13. jekasimf
    jekasimf 23 December 2019 10: 45
    0
    The author forgot to mention the interests of Italy, and behind her other countries of the European Union-Greece and France. And they traditionally will support the enemies of the Turks ...
    1. protoss
      protoss 23 December 2019 11: 07
      +4
      in fact, italy has so far been one of the main supporters of saraj
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 23 December 2019 13: 39
      +2
      By the way, Italy and Malta signed an agreement 2-3 days ago, divided the Mediterranean area among themselves, showing fig Greece, since they also claimed part of this area. Moreover, the Lebanese president accused the Greeks of maritime occupation, indicating that the Greeks did not legally claim their plot. The President of Lebanon accuses Israel of capturing their offshore section, and there is already talk that Lebanon will also conclude an agreement with Turkey on the borders of the economic zone.
      1. protoss
        protoss 23 December 2019 14: 13
        +1
        it was originally a strange Greek-Jewish-Egyptian brawl. did they really think everyone else would swallow it?
  14. protoss
    protoss 23 December 2019 10: 49
    +1
    Haftar-well done, he promised everyone from the UAE to Russia, they say, you can only help, and then I will cry generously. the classic scheme of multiple scammers - when you owe everything, they don’t touch and shake you, because creditors do not allow each other to seriously demand their own.
    so in the event of the victory of this evil agent, Russia (represented by PMCs) will receive a maximum salary from its employers (UAE and KSA), grab a well for itself and the port is unlikely to exit.
  15. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 23 December 2019 10: 49
    +1
    Quote: mammadov teymur
    it was Turkey’s answer for the PCC that Soviet Russia created, then one inconspicuous visit by Erdogan (at the beginning of his premiership) resolved this issue. Russia does not support the PCK and Turks Chechnya. everything will be fine because they found a common language

    Soviet Russia did not create the PKK, but helped the Republic of Turkey reject the unjust treaty in Sevres and protect itself from alien military aggression.
    The USSR supported the PAC when Turkey turned into a puppet and a US base in the region.
    When the war began in Chechnya, the USSR was no longer beating. In the USSR, they were coping with all kinds of separatists. Russia was beating, which did not support the PAC, but Turkey provided full support for the Chechen separatists.
    1. protoss
      protoss 23 December 2019 11: 20
      0
      Quote: Kostadinov
      Beat Russia that did not support the PAC

      then why would Öcalan try to escape from us when the Turks pursued him in 1998?
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 23 December 2019 13: 57
      +1
      "The USSR supported the PKK when Turkey turned into a puppet and a US base in the region." You probably forgot that Turkey was pushed into NATO by the USSR with threats, territorial demands to please their henchmen Armenians. The post-war years, when the USSR emerged victorious from the war, when it had the strongest and most numerous army, the Turks had no options but to seek protection on the side, after such demands from the USSR.After joining NATO, in the USSR, relations with the Kurds (and the Armenians, too, especially with the Lebanese) went in the direction aimed to punish the Turks. It is not by chance that in those years there was a hammer and sickle on the PKK's "flag", like they are carriers of the ideas of communism.
  16. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 23 December 2019 11: 24
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    Quote: protoss
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Beat Russia that did not support the PAC

    then why would Öcalan try to escape from us when the Turks pursued him in 1998?

    It was just eating, but not allowed. If the USSR beat, then Yojalan could be there today.
  17. Dmitry Gundorov
    Dmitry Gundorov 23 December 2019 14: 43
    -2
    I remember one promiseskin wanted a multipolar world, so he got it. True, he hoped that multipolarity, this would be primarily beneficial to Russia. But something went wrong and it turned out like this: everyone flutters as he wants.
    Well, in Libya, so the PNS helps Algeria, and possibly Italians
  18. Zampolit-m
    Zampolit-m 23 December 2019 18: 29
    +1
    Russia is still profitable, all these "ambitions" of Erdogan!
    NATO needs to fall apart, that’s the main task, and then it will be seen ..
  19. evgen1221
    evgen1221 23 December 2019 19: 11
    0
    It seems to me that the Turks, as promised, will go into Libya, but after the end of the construction of the flow and with contracts for the sale of gas and with our air defense (this is preparation for insurance). They will not change something in Libya but will occupy the oil fields where they have time and will protect them at the request of the government for as long as they like, following the example of mattresses in Syria. This will end the friendship with us.
  20. Shahno
    Shahno 23 December 2019 19: 13
    -1
    Quote: ANIMAL
    Erdogan - Raging! Turkey, of course, is not Limpopo, but I think it will not pull the role of the Regional Superpower. The region is very complex, everyone has their own ambitions.
    The entry of troops into Libya - I think its main strategic mistake. To oppose Turkey - To several blocks of countries at once ... To the Saudis and the United Arab Emirates (With Egypt), Iran (the Persians have their own interests) partially to Israel and Europe ... not a smart decision.
    Plus, he did not mention the United States and Russia - which also play their game in BV.
    Too Explosive Region - for the emergence of a new Regional Superpower, Erdogan is haunted by thoughts of the Neo-Ottoman Empire.

    I'm afraid they will choke on the moment when we elect the Gold-level prime minister. Just on the sidelines will send and all things ..
    PS. Bibi the same might. But well, that’s the price of democracy.
  21. Suraikin.Aleksandr
    Suraikin.Aleksandr 23 December 2019 20: 01
    0
    Dear, you probably forget that this is the Middle East! There you can be friends and fight at the same time! Algeria is now the largest buyer of Russian weapons in the region and the fact that Russia supports the Haftar in the Libyan Civil War seems to have no intention of refusing to purchase Russian weapons. It will be the same with Erdrogan, in what we will cooperate, and fight somewhere, and the Turkish military has apparently been in Libya for a long time, as operators of the supplied military equipment. And Saraj, despite the support of Haftar, relations in Russia are not so bad.
    I don’t really believe that Erdrogan is committed to a full-scale war in the region, Turkey’s presidential republic and voters will not understand a full-scale war with large losses of personnel, in a region where Turkey has no vital interests.
    1. akims
      akims 24 December 2019 00: 13
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      Erdogan has a huge reserve in the form of Syrian refugees. Here they are used as cannon fodder. Now in Syria and Libya, tomorrow somewhere else, and still holding Europe for Faberge, so as not to croak. Plus all sorts of thugs, like gray wolves and other Natsik. Sending them to war, he cleans his country from passionaries.
  22. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 24 December 2019 09: 53
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    The situation is not that difficult. Over the past decades, the United States has clearly, even to the stupidest ones, shown what they REALLY achieve. The tale about the "golden billion" is a fairy tale. Yes, Europe believed in her, well, so much the worse for Europe! In general, the United States is trying to squeeze the juice out of the whole world, to its advantage. That is, the whole world, the whole, wholly and completely, should become a beggar, boiling over with conflicts backwater, and the United States - a center of gravity, where the most valuable thing on our planet flows, namely smart, educated, promising people. Well, capital, of course, but only real capital. Not pitiful, completely useless gold, for example, but incredibly valuable platinum, etc. etc.
    And now the world is slowly dividing into those who are ready to throw their countries at the feet of the "world hegemon" in order to grab more and move there, and those who are ready to fight for themselves and their homeland. Erdogan, perhaps, would not have twitched, following in the mainstream of the general betrayal of his peoples, like the rest of the leaders of the countries for the most part, but the Americans decided to kill him. Erdogan simply has nowhere to retreat, so why not give a farewell tour?
    He is worthy of respect for this, because he could have concluded a "world peace", at the same time surrendering the position of his country for decades ahead, and the United States would have accepted him (although later, of course, they would have killed, with all the offspring), but did not. I decided to sacrifice myself with the greatest benefit for the Motherland. "Pan-Turkism" ... Ugh!