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A modernized version of the Su-34 bomber will appear by 2022

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A modernized version of the Russian Su-34 bomber will appear by 2022. This was reported by TASS with reference to two sources in the military-industrial complex.


Currently, development work is underway to create a modernized version of the Su-34. The first prototype of the aircraft should be released by 2022

- the agency quotes the words of one of the interlocutors.

According to the second source, the development of a modernized version of the Su-34 should be completed within two years.

A different airborne radar will be put on the bomber, its navigation system will be updated and the information display systems in the cockpit will be improved

- he said, adding that the avionics will receive an open architecture, which will provide the opportunity to install systems developed on other aircraft.

The fact that the Ministry of Defense decided to start work on creating a modernized version of the Su-34 bomber and signed a corresponding contract with Sukhoi was reported in August this year. In the course of work, the aircraft should receive improved avionics and new weapons.

Work on the modernization of the Su-34, taking into account the experience of using the aircraft in combat conditions in Syria, should have begun in 2018. At the Novosibirsk aircraft plant, which is part of Sukhoi, development work was initiated on an initiative basis to increase the combat potential of the aircraft, including equipping the Su-34 with new weapons and new electronic warfare systems.

Su-34 is a multifunctional fighter-bomber designed to strike at ground and surface targets in the face of strong opposition from enemy air defense equipment. According to its combat capabilities, the Su-34 belongs to the 4+ generation and is capable of performing basic combat missions without escorting fighters. Due to the high speed and maneuverability, the bomber can independently conduct an air battle with enemy fighters. The plane received the unofficial nickname "Duckling" because of the bow, in a shape resembling a duck beak.
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  1. Granddad
    Granddad 22 December 2019 09: 28
    +2
    Sooner would be .. An alarming time for Russia!
    1. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 22 December 2019 09: 35
      +13
      And when the time for our country was different.
      1. Granddad
        Granddad 22 December 2019 09: 39
        -1
        Quote: Chaldon48
        And when the time for our country was different.

        You posed the question correctly ..
        As our Russians say, "And the eternal battle, we only dream of peace"
        Russia would have a break from all these world squabbles and wars ..
        But without Russians, what a fight? laughing
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        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 22 December 2019 20: 00
          -1
          The policies of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR were very different. Different goals: the latter was to a large extent dictated by the "Marxist-Leninist" ideology. Hence the content of a bunch of poor criminals on the world stage, it was worth talking about the "building of socialism." At the expense of the Russians, of course, what was needed was “brushwood for the world revolution”.
    2. nexus
      nexus 22 December 2019 09: 55
      -4
      Yes Meehan, Honduras bothers him to go again)
      1. sit
        sit 22 December 2019 10: 02
        +4
        I've always liked political officers. "I closed my mouth, cleaned my workplace." lol
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 22 December 2019 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: duduk
          I always liked the politicians

          Commander:
          - Do as I do!
          Deputy Politician:
          - Do as I say!
          One word difference smile
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 22 December 2019 13: 01
            +2
            Quote: Thrall
            Quote: duduk
            I always liked the politicians

            Commander:
            - Do as I do!
            Deputy Politician:
            - Do as I say!
            One word difference smile

            But the battalion commander, in the forefront of the attackers, very rarely ran when. And the commissars also fled often, especially the first two years of the war.
            It is a pity there are no statistics about the decline of the battalion commanders and commissars, but I do not think that more than the commissars died. I'm not talking about companies.
            Today the role of political workers is played by the media. And look what these "political workers" - mass media have done with Ukraine. This I mean - what impact they have on the course of events and what it matters.
            So what was the significance of the commissars during the war years?
            And despite this, you talk so cynically about them ?! Let it remain on your conscience, if you have it.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 22 December 2019 20: 56
              +3
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Today, the role of political workers is played by the media.

              Colleague, why is it so categorical? Or are you not aware that the institute of the POLITICAL STAFF of the RF Armed Forces has been restored since 2019? Moreover, an "assistant to the deputy commander for political affairs" has been introduced. This was only on the eve of the Finnish war of 1940 ... It reminds me of something personally ... Again, the speech of the NGSH Gerasimov in front of the military attaches with a presentiment of war ...
              In short, political fighters would not have been needed - no one would have restored the institution of deputy commanders for political affairs today ... So there is a need for them ... maybe soon we will again have to raise companies to attack by personal example?
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 22 December 2019 22: 43
                +1
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                Colleague, why is it so categorical?

                I do not like injustice. All these trawls and others like them mock at the memory of those who gave their lives, including for their future lives. And they, realizing this, still mock. This speaks of the inferiority of both their mind and their conscience.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 23 December 2019 09: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  This speaks of the inferiority of both their mind and their conscience.

                  Strongly said! good
                  But it seems to me that everything is much simpler: they were led by Liberian propaganda, trying to anoint what our past. And the past is inseparable from the Communist Party and its representatives in the Armed Forces, and ordinary communists of course!
        2. GKS 2111
          GKS 2111 22 December 2019 11: 02
          +10
          Quote: duduk
          I've always liked political officers. "I closed my mouth, cleaned my workplace"


          What do you say now with the trawl?
          1. Granddad
            Granddad 22 December 2019 11: 49
            -7
            The Germans immediately shot down the zapolitov in the 41st ..
            And then half of the staff came from the Tashkent front .. And it began "were the relatives in the occupation", etc. angry
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 22 December 2019 13: 13
              +3
              Quote: Grandpa
              The Germans immediately shot down the zapolitov in the 41st ..
              And then half of the staff came from the Tashkent front .. And it began "were the relatives in the occupation", etc. angry

              See the post-perestroika film-making less. Didn't you realize that they are deliberately shitting in your head, shitting in your brains, so that you, without noticing it yourself, lose all respect for the defenders of your and your Motherland? Hasn't life taught you that scoundrels are found not only among "political workers", but also among commanders of all ranks, among clergymen of all denominations? And their percentage is approximately the same.
              1. Granddad
                Granddad 22 December 2019 16: 24
                -6
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                See less post-perestroika movie making for less. Didn’t I understand that they’re specially shitting on your head, shitting on your brain so that you, without noticing it, lose all respect for the defenders of your and your homeland?

                I’m watching (reading memoirs) and grabbing my head for a long time ..
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Hasn't life taught you that scoundrels are found not only among "political workers", but also among commanders of all ranks, among clergymen of all denominations? And their percentage is approximately the same.

                In Israel, of course this is not he he
                Go to the "promised land" .. EVERYONE has already gathered there !!!
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 22 December 2019 16: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Grandpa
                  I’m looking and grabbing my head for a long time ..

                  Then where do you get this attitude towards political workers?
                  Quote: Grandpa

                  In Israel, of course this is not he he
                  Go to the "promised land" .. EVERYONE has already gathered there !!!

                  what what request
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          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 22 December 2019 12: 25
            0
            Klochkov was not a professional political worker. He was drafted into the army from trade. My grandfather, a pilot, called professional political talkers short and capacious: ostriches.
            The bird is big, but it can’t fly
            Screaming loudly and just something - his head in the sand. This means that all victories are due to the leading and guiding role of the political instructor, and all defeats are the fault of the commanders. For flying political officers, of the pilots, the grandfather did not have any questions - they flew and died along with everyone.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 22 December 2019 16: 35
              +4
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              For flying political officers, of the pilots, the grandfather did not have any questions - they flew and died along with everyone.

              I didn’t understand that - weren't all the political officers ostriches?
              What then are you smearing all the political officers with?
              Does the herd instinct work?
              All nastiness speaks to political workers, special officers and I should. So?
          3. Thrall
            Thrall 22 December 2019 12: 42
            0
            Quote: GKS 2111

            What do you say now with the trawl?

            I will say that he himself was a political officer. smile
            Two bears meet.
            - What does it smell like diesel fuel from you?
            - Yes, I recently ate a zampotech.
            - You give, I found someone to eat. That's what I look, soldiers the second day
            They are combing the taiga. Here I ate a political officer three weeks ago, so
            still not looking for him.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 22 December 2019 13: 04
              -1
              Quote: Thrall
              So I ate the political officer three weeks ago, so
              still not looking for him

              Not certainly in that way:

              So I ate the political officer three weeks ago, I do not smell diesel fuel, and they’re still not looking for him

              laughing
            2. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 22 December 2019 16: 37
              +1
              Quote: Thrall
              I will say that he himself was a political officer.

              Well, as they say - "The family is not without ..."
            3. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 22 December 2019 21: 03
              +3
              Quote: Thrall
              So I ate the political officer three weeks ago, so
              still not looking for him.

              Well well! belay
              Ate and political literacy did not choke? _-- Well, brother, this does not happen !!! laughing
          4. vadivm59
            vadivm59 22 December 2019 19: 03
            -2
            Yes, Klochkov did not say such words. It was invented by the KRASNAYA ZVEZDA correspondent, who described this fight.
    3. Ultima Ratio
      Ultima Ratio 22 December 2019 10: 52
      -14
      What's the troubling thing? Is someone going to attack? China is not, land is transferred to him free of charge! USA and Europe? Not a fact they do not need war! Maybe you shouldn’t go into Syria and help the dictator who brewed everything? Maybe it's time for the government of the Russian Federation to adopt another doctrine, the doctrine of non-interference in affairs
      sovereign countries and stop selling weapons! Maybe it's time to start making friends with your nearest neighbors, and not rattle your arms! Maybe it's time to take care of your people? Raise pensions, raise living standards, create a middle class, and not enrich Putin’s friends!
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 11: 12
        +11
        It was already like that. "Russia has no national interests, but only universal human interests" (c) Kozyrev. Everyone knows how it ended
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          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 11: 20
            0
            No, don't let it go.
            1. Ultima Ratio
              Ultima Ratio 22 December 2019 11: 29
              -12
              OK! Let the population remain poor then, but there will be a lot of tanks and calibers!
              1. freejack
                freejack 22 December 2019 12: 01
                0
                the population remains poor, but there will be many tanks and calibers

                Now, if people like you ... fool , treacherously-minded, liberoid-raised on anti-Russian values, corrupt litter, the Russian Land (and the Russian - did it?) gave birth less, then with calibers and outpatient clinics everything was OK! hi
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                  1. Sergey Averchenkov
                    Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 12: 48
                    +2
                    What truth are you writing? Please in more detail about the retirement age, then about the eight-hour working day, the prohibition of child labor, etc.
                    1. Ultima Ratio
                      Ultima Ratio 22 December 2019 12: 50
                      -14
                      Look for yourself! Fewer and fewer citizens will survive to retirement!
                      1. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 12: 54
                        +2
                        Apparently my question is uncomfortable for you. Well, okay. :) I never planned to live without work - I do not face retirement.
                      2. Ultima Ratio
                        Ultima Ratio 22 December 2019 12: 57
                        -11
                        Why so! quite comfortable! I can find if you have cheburnet!
                      3. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 13: 01
                        +2
                        Then please find.
                      4. Ultima Ratio
                        Ultima Ratio 22 December 2019 13: 03
                        -6
                        Threw a video thread in the track
                      5. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 13: 08
                        +1
                        Sorry, but I need a translation ... you see, you're talking to a 55-year-old man. And for me "on the trail" is really - on the trail. But I haven't stepped anywhere yet. :)))
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                      7. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 13: 15
                        +1
                        Thank you, I will definitely look, but I can not guarantee that I will like it. Sorry, I’m leaving for a while.
                      8. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 14: 04
                        +2
                        I watched. You did not understand me ... I talked about pensions, an 8-hour working day, etc. in retro historical perspective ... From where they came from, how they developed. I myself know the current situation.
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                      10. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 14: 13
                        +2
                        Goodbye.
                      11. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 22 December 2019 21: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Ultima Ratio
                        Fewer and fewer citizens will survive to retirement!

                        Look at the statistics report of the Pension Fund!
                        And the guarantor at a recent press conference confirmed that life expectancy in Russia has been growing in recent years, reaching the average European!
                        Why for the sake of frankly slander our country !?
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 23 December 2019 08: 54
                  0
                  Quote: freejack
                  the population remains poor, but there will be many tanks and calibers

                  Now, if people like you ... fool , treacherously-minded, liberoid-raised on anti-Russian values, corrupt litter, the Russian Land (and the Russian - did it?) gave birth less, then with calibers and outpatient clinics everything was OK! hi

                  Do you think he is Russian? All his posts here are saturated with maidan spirit. Typically Svidomo slogans and statements. ABOUT! Day did not last. Banned skakuasa
              2. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 12: 07
                +1
                I agree. :)
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                  1. Sergey Averchenkov
                    Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 12: 43
                    +5
                    Well "diarrhea" is your word. I'm waiting for you to break out further ... to feed the fan? :) Stop, behave yourself. And so - yes, I confirm that I am ready to sacrifice part of my economic well-being for the sake of my country. I am even ready to accept some restrictions on my personal freedoms. So much for you ... there are many of us ...
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                      1. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 12: 51
                        +1
                        Yeah. Now I'm a slave ... what next? For the second time I offer you a fan - take ...
                        My officials will grow rich at my expense, and yours at your expense. God how naive you are ...
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                      3. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 12: 58
                        +2
                        Stop talking with slogans, otherwise I will interrupt our conversation - I have already read all this thousands of times from different lips. Why do you all think the same way?
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                      5. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 22 December 2019 13: 04
                        +1
                        Thank you, very good wish. I myself want this - not in bed, not in long torment, but simply at work. Thank you again for your wish.
              3. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 22 December 2019 16: 41
                +4
                Quote: Ultima Ratio
                OK! Let the population remain poor then, but there will be a lot of tanks and calibers!

                And without "tanks and calibers" not only beggars, but even not alive. No, someone of course will stay, but why did you decide that you will stay?
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      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 22 December 2019 11: 20
        +4
        Quote: Ultima Ratio
        What's the troubling thing? Is someone going to attack?

        Of course, NATO is pulling toward our borders just on a tour. They are tourists.
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        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 22 December 2019 21: 24
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          Of course, NATO is pulling toward our borders just on a tour. They are tourists.

          It seems that something like this has already happened in the history of our country?
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 22 December 2019 21: 09
        0
        Quote: Ultima Ratio
        Not a fact they do not need war! Maybe you shouldn’t go into Syria and help the dictator ...

        Well you, damn it, and vrazhin submarine !!!
        Probably dug in Canada, wide, and from there you blather anti-Russian spitchi!
    4. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 23 December 2019 18: 07
      0
      What is bothering you?
  2. nexus
    nexus 22 December 2019 09: 42
    -16
    On the offhand, you need to abandon the controlled thrust vector on the engines, this will facilitate and simplify the design. It will be more difficult to remove unnecessary reservation of the cabin, along with which the counterweight will disappear, these measures will increase the combat load, but the electronics should be no worse than the Indian Su30mki.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 22 December 2019 09: 56
      +4
      Quote: Nexus
      it is necessary to abandon the controlled thrust vector on engines, this will facilitate and simplify the design. It will be more difficult to remove unnecessary reservation of the cabin, along with which the counterweight will disappear, these measures will increase the combat load, but the electronics should be no worse than Indian Su30mki.

      That you are very radical ... Almost after this it will be a new plane. Largely cut off in terms of maneuverability ... As for the armored cockpit, this is the safety of the crew in real combat, and not in strikes against barmels ... Missiles are stuffed with shrapnel of different types, and not all of them are aimed at thermal radiation and are torn near the engine nozzle .. .
      1. nexus
        nexus 22 December 2019 10: 18
        -18
        Yes, not radically, I forgot about the gun, it is also not needed. All these bells and whistles are needed only by designers who can, what they can, only they are asked about something else, imagine a dialogue:
        Military - we need supersonic sound without afterburner. Designers - we made a controlled traction vector and super maneuverability. Military - we need accurate munitions planning bombs and missiles. Designers, we booked the cabin. Military - we need an increased flight range Designers - we will put you a refueling bar and fly away from here.
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 22 December 2019 10: 29
          0
          Quote: Nexus
          not radically, I forgot about the gun,

          And you forgot about financing. As you noticed there, all this is carried out in an INITIATIVE manner, therefore not financially backed up. In the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, apparently there is not enough money for the next Serdyukov and Vasilyeva. But they just had enough money to reduce the capacities of NAPO.
          1. nexus
            nexus 22 December 2019 10: 54
            -9
            In general, my post is not about the Ministry of Defense and not about its leadership, but if already according to your post it is possible to answer with a Ukrainian joke "under Ovoshche or Panda (Yanukovych) this was not" corrected to "under Taburetkin (Serdyukov) this was not!"
        2. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 22 December 2019 12: 25
          +6
          Quote: Nexus
          Yes, not radically, I forgot about the gun, it is also not needed. All these bells and whistles are needed only by designers who can, what they can, only they are asked about something else, imagine a dialogue:
          Military - we need supersonic sound without afterburner. Designers - we made a controlled traction vector and super maneuverability.

          You'd better be silent - maybe they would pass for a clever one! Isn't it aware that the development of ANY weapons begins with a technical assignment, where tactical and technical requirements are given in BLACK ON WHITE, which the developed equipment must fully comply with? And only after receiving such a concept is developed. In the event of a discrepancy between the developed weapons and the terms of reference, the matter will not reach state acceptance at all! And do not sculpt a "hunchback" about the uselessness for a front-line bomber, which is the SU-34, of armor protection and cannons - do not show everyone your STUPIDITY, and do not advertise an acute lack of intelligence to others! It is in Syria that the Su-34 operates from heights exceeding the operating heights of the ISGS 'MANPADS, and that is only thanks to the equipment of the Su-34 with the Hephaestus complex, which allows the use of conventional free-fall anti-aircraft weapons as precision weapons.
    2. sivuch
      sivuch 22 December 2019 10: 48
      +1
      controlled vector on SU-34 recourse belay
      booking is very necessary, besides it is included in the power scheme of the glider. Electronics just have to be different. First of all, it is necessary to replace or very seriously upgrade the Plane, first of all - so that it becomes a truly all-day
      1. nexus
        nexus 22 December 2019 11: 02
        -13
        Here explain what the booking is for him? At an altitude of 5000m, the fabs are thrown, below they are not used. And modern guided bombs and missiles and with 10000+ will go.
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 22 December 2019 11: 16
          0
          Do you know how many times I have already explained? Honestly, the explanator has already broken. I’ll try to unsubscribe today, but I don’t promise winked
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 23 December 2019 10: 06
          0
          Okay, let's go. First, the weight of the "extra" armor
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 23 December 2019 10: 25
            0
            my message is gone so next time
    3. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 22 December 2019 10: 57
      +2
      And in what place on the 34th variable thrust vector?
      1. nexus
        nexus 22 December 2019 11: 16
        -14
        Well, if it’s not there, then mentioning it in the context of the futility of this function in general, as such, and the failure of its installation on the upgraded version and other aircraft, will that work?)
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 22 December 2019 14: 43
          +1
          And as a counterweight, you probably called the auxiliary power unit?
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 22 December 2019 14: 54
          +2
          Quote: Nexus
          Well, if it’s not there, then mentioning it in the context of the futility of this function in general, as such, and the failure of its installation on the upgraded version and other aircraft, will that work?)

          This is a childish excuse for your "shoals", which you have spawned here.
          Already decide whether you are a banal "troll" or deliberately "crap" here.
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 22 December 2019 11: 16
      0
      Quote: Nexus
      need to abandon the controlled thrust vector on engines

      Did I miss something? When did he appear on the Su-34?
    5. lukewarm
      lukewarm 26 December 2019 08: 59
      0
      There is no need to refuse a controlled thrust vector - it is simply not there.
      Quote: Nexus
      will clean unnecessary cabin reservation

      It's a pity the pilots don't know that it is unnecessary. They love the "drake" including for that.
  3. parkello
    parkello 22 December 2019 09: 47
    -7
    Why not a platypus? duckling ... sounds childish. he is more like a black crow in his habits than a duckling ... which one is a fighter if he is a duckling? he needs a more dynamic name ... you would also call the T-14 a grape snail, proudly so ... so that everyone would tremble with fear ... but meanwhile the black raven lives for up to 300 years and as a fighter he’s quite himself, and protects other birds from outside attacks. and they called it duckling ... you would have written the ugly front ... duckling .. what the fuck is he a duckling, this bloodsucker has nothing to do with ducks .. ducks are fat, slow-moving. they can’t fly well neither walk nor swim like a fish . Could still be called a bat ... or a sloth .. but what if we really amuse the people then let's go in full ..
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 22 December 2019 10: 29
      -2
      Quote: parkello
      Why not a platypus? duckling ... sounds childish. he is more like a black crow in his habits than a duckling ... which one is a fighter if he is a duckling? he needs a more dynamic name ... you would also call the T-14 a grape snail, proudly so ... so that everyone would tremble with fear ... but meanwhile the black raven lives for up to 300 years and as a fighter he’s quite himself, and protects other birds from outside attacks. and they called it duckling ... you would have written the ugly front ... duckling .. what the fuck is he a duckling, this bloodsucker has nothing to do with ducks .. ducks are fat, slow-moving. they can’t fly well neither walk nor swim like a fish . Could still be called a bat ... or a sloth .. but what if we really amuse the people then let's go in full ..
      You colleague raised an interesting topic with names. Journalists sometimes get in there with their own notions. What God forbid. They make rattles of military equipment as they want. No matter how its designer or the military called it. the site posted a video from YouTube interviews with the then commander-in-chief on this matter. I'm not talking about a nonexistent technique. Yandex Zen help you wassat There is so much there! And the "Black Plague" and the future sixth generation fighter "Dove" laughing wassatAnd about their drawings in general is a separate topic. There are such dwarf-marbles that you involuntarily think about the people who painted them in general, at least a little there are versed in technology.
      1. parkello
        parkello 22 December 2019 10: 56
        +1
        yes .. raised a subject, to 4 minuses (and maybe more) laughing but obviously those who come up with nicknames for technology either have never communicated with nature, or they intentionally, infantilously approach the topic. well, that God is with him, they want a duckling. let there be a duckling ... even a little elephant, even a pig ... those who have to fly on them, let them come up with a nickname. it will be more specific.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 22 December 2019 15: 45
          -2
          Quote: parkello
          yes .. raised a subject, to 4 minuses

          Not a topic raised, but defecated on this forum, with which he deliberately offended most of the members of the forum. Do you have brains in the cranium, or do you have dung?
          1. parkello
            parkello 22 December 2019 17: 06
            +2
            I did not insult anyone and did not even think. if you are offended, this is your headache, not members of the forum. I did not offend or call anyone. every my answer here, I justified and explained in sufficient detail. but people like you saw insults here and were insulted in the end .. don’t keep a sediment in yourself. well, or if you want to emphasize in bold that it offends you, I will clear my comments so as not to offend the members of the forum.
    2. cost
      cost 22 December 2019 10: 33
      +10
      a duckling ... sounds childish ... which one is a fighter if he is a duckling?

      and those who like them fly
      1. parkello
        parkello 22 December 2019 10: 57
        +3
        yes God bless him Dmitry, at least a duckling, at least a chicken .. at least a chicken .. whatever you want to call.
        1. cost
          cost 22 December 2019 11: 37
          +2
          parkello (Yorgos): whatever you want to call .... yeah .. raised the topic, up to 4 minuses (or maybe more)

          Are you upset, Yorgos? Just think what a grief 4minus. You won’t please everyone. Spit and forget. Your authority on the forum almost shook from this. drinks
          1. parkello
            parkello 22 December 2019 11: 41
            +3
            No, I was not upset. I have been with a lot of minuses komenty laughing 8,9 and even 12 ... just the name duckling is not for a combat aircraft. This beast should be called differently, emphasizing its mission ... and not anyway, they called it from a hangover. this technique still fly and fly and the warriors perform. and on the fighting, on the duckling ... this word associates an inflatable ring for me for children who do not know how to swim .. or baby ducklings for a bath. but not a bomber.
            1. Valery Charushin
              Valery Charushin 22 December 2019 13: 33
              0
              "Solntsepek" is understandable, but "Pinocchio", the flower "greenhouse" in the artillery - according to my majority I like it.
              1. parkello
                parkello 22 December 2019 15: 03
                +1
                Valery, it’s just understandable with Pinocchio, a bit of humor ... and floristry and botany in the army are most likely the officers' wives, who are also lovers of healthy fun, most likely put pens .. I see if I lived in the neighborhood with the SA officers and mine Dad was an employee, a geodesy engineer. Cartographer and topographer, between us a good fisherman and hunter, but did not like to kill even chickens and geese for the New Year. I did all the dirty work for him and my brothers, slaughter a hog, freshen up. Hide, share fraternally between relatives, so that everyone would get both from the neck and from the ribs. And put out the tomatoes in a pot ... and next door to us officers lived .. I grew up with them. and there’s a bit of reason in me, a little common sense .. I won’t pull on a clever one, so I don’t stoop) but still, I look at the names and not without laughter .. but believe the duckling is not comme il faut to the bomber with big pains ... angry we kind of started the dialogue with this ... sorry for joining feel
      2. opus
        opus 22 December 2019 22: 10
        +3
        Quote: Rich
        and those who like them fly

        the goose is not ours

        let replace
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 22 December 2019 10: 55
      +2
      Quote: parkello
      Why not a platypus? duckling ... sounds childish

      Because pilots are a people with humor. And they give nicknames to the technique on which they fly, loving.
      I-16 "Ishak", Il-2 "Humpbacked", Mi-26 "Cow"
      S2F Tracker "Stove", SH-3 Sea King "Guinea pig"
      1. parkello
        parkello 22 December 2019 11: 12
        0
        sir, the Mi-26 has never been a cow, it's more like a mammoth ... and the cow was Mi-6 and got his nickname for the fact that when he picked up speed, his butt rose like a cow, and his nose dropped lower, Humpback ... this is in general, the MiG29 SM, for the I-16 I can not say anything. a good name. donkeys are hardy. robots ... it is clear that the nickname is well deserved. but then a duck ... well, to hell with him ... only this name could fit anything, but not a bomber ... besides a front-line one. here is Rook, quite a justified nickname Su-25s ... they pecked their prey out of the rocks, that's why they called the rook .. and he didn’t look like what he does with the ducklings .. but whatever you want to call it. . who has enough imagination for that. maybe the one from whose light hand they began to call him a duckling just did not see anything before ... but "authoritatively" called the plane that way ... without even thinking about when and where the ducklings flew to the fighting? and the fact that the nose looks like .. so you my friend still have not seen the beak of a raven probably. for interest we could look at whose beak it looks more like.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 22 December 2019 11: 21
          -2
          Quote: parkello
          sir, the Mi-26 is never a cow, it's more like a mammoth.

          Quote: https://topwar.ru/43254-mi-26-tyazheloves-s-trehetazhnyy-dom.html
          For the impressive dimensions of the Mi-26 helicopter, the pilots nicknamed the “Flying Cow”
          1. parkello
            parkello 22 December 2019 11: 29
            +1
            and so in appearance I’m saying ... what kind of cow there is, this is a whole mammoth .. but that’s not the point. be that as it may, the Mi-6 and Mi-26 are both civilian versions of helicopters, and here is a combat aircraft, a front-line bomber ... what the hell are ducklings? it would be better to call him Bagheera. than a duckling ... or Mowgli laughing but you must admit to those who deal with ducks every day. it never comes to mind to call it a bomber ... perhaps contemptuously ...
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 22 December 2019 11: 27
          -2
          Quote: parkello
          and the cow was Mi-6 and got its nickname for the fact that when it was picking up speed, his ass rose like a cow’s, and his nose dropped below

          Quote: https://vpk-news.ru/articles/47932
          Mi-6 - “caravanserai” or “bear”

          Quote: https://aviaforum.ru/threads/prozvischa-letatelnyx-apparatov.4243/page-10
          Mi-6, “CONTAINER”, as well as “KICHKALDAK”, “KICH”
        3. Flooding
          Flooding 22 December 2019 11: 30
          0
          Quote: parkello
          so then you my friend still have not seen the beak of a crow

          Of course not. A rare raven flies into my land.
          So he just drove in the village so that the chickens were not stolen.
          1. parkello
            parkello 22 December 2019 11: 35
            +1
            Well, here they are our frequent guests, the most fighting black crows ... huge and bloodthirsty and very strong birds that can drag away not only a chicken, but also an adult hare. I have one raven from the balcony two times through the bars of the cage tore the canaries ... first the bottom, then the second .. even the bars of the cage are not an obstacle for him. he just pulled it through the narrow slits .. literally tore it out from there .. poor cenor .. so I went wild so I made a 1.5-inch pipe from my pipe and waited for it one more time ...
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 22 December 2019 12: 04
              0
              Quote: parkello
              Well, and here they are our frequent guests, the most fighting black crows.

              I was looking for a tag "irony", I did not find it.
              Decided that you will guess.
              1. parkello
                parkello 22 December 2019 12: 15
                -2
                Well, I didn’t find it. In general, I don’t like to search by tags ... but if they hadn’t said it, I would have thought that I hadn’t seen it. but seriously, take and compare the duck and the crow, then I think the choice will not fall on the duck ... You just look at this plane, it uses the entire range of weapons. Can even fight with fighters, what kind of duckling is it? he is a real Hitler with a tail! bloodthirsty, strong. and often helps weaker birds, goes with them in an escort ... in my opinion, Raven (a black raven from English) will suit him like a nickname. he is a real fighter .. but don’t shit like ducks ...
    4. nexus
      nexus 22 December 2019 11: 57
      -3
      Platypuses do not fly, maybe that's why?
      1. parkello
        parkello 22 December 2019 12: 04
        0
        and put him a dvigun wink ..homemade, from saltpeter, charcoal and sulfur .. as soon as it flies, it’ll even go into a bend laughing
    5. lukewarm
      lukewarm 26 December 2019 09: 01
      0
      Pilots call it a drake - a derivative of a duckling. Like a duckling has grown. Adult bird. smile
  4. Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter 22 December 2019 09: 48
    0
    A different airborne radar will be put on the bomber, its navigation system will be updated and the information display systems in the cockpit will be improved

    Beauty. good It will be interesting to create a new radar or slightly upgrade the one that already exists? Is it possible to install an AFAR radar similar to the same Zhuk-AM AFAR?
  5. prior
    prior 22 December 2019 09: 48
    0
    Modernization is a continuous process because there is no limit to perfection.
    "Utyatata" are learning ..... no, "ducklings" improve their flight.
    ,
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 December 2019 09: 49
    0
    Nice plane. He already proved himself a formidable fighter. Modernization will not spoil it. good
  7. askort154
    askort154 22 December 2019 10: 16
    -3
    Recently, Shoigu announced that more than three hundred types of weapons were successfully tested in Syria. Of these, 14 - require improvements. Apparently, the Su-34 is one of 14.
  8. mlad
    mlad 22 December 2019 10: 34
    -2
    It wouldn’t be bad to put the AFAR, but something is going on with it; on the MIG 35 it was hardly done and its characteristics are still unknown, plus apparently the price is sky-high.
  9. donavi49
    donavi49 22 December 2019 11: 13
    +1
    NAPO the main thing is to live up to this.

    They finished off the main contract.

    They promised to sign a new contract in 16-24 cars by the end of the year. There is a week left - there is no contract.

    In fact, there is no full cycle aircraft loading for 2020 at all. Only kits for SSJ, kits for MS-21, watermelon cooperation.


    22 year Su-34M? So it will go to production at 24. That is 4 years - without loading for NAPO.
    1. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 22 December 2019 11: 36
      +2
      Quote: donavi49
      NAPO the main thing is to live up to this.

      That's what I mean. To survive, the plant is spinning like a squirrel in a wheel, taking the initiative to modernize the Su-34, and in addition it now does not have its own runway Yeltsovka, as you know it was closed by Medvedev's order ..
  10. Piramidon
    Piramidon 22 December 2019 11: 42
    +2
    Quote: parkello
    Why not a platypus? duckling ... sounds childish

    For yourself, call it what you want, but "Duckling" is not an official name, but a folk name. Just like the Su-25 - "Rook", Mi-24 - "Crocodile", BM-13 - "Katyusha" .... Argue with the people.
    ducks are fat, slow-moving. they cannot fly well ...

    But the platypuses fly well laughing
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 December 2019 12: 16
    -1
    Everything that the Su-34 does, the Su-30 can do.
    Plus, having bombed, the Su-30 can fully fight like a fighter.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 22 December 2019 13: 36
      +1
      It is necessary to download NAPO. And so the Su-30 intersects in many ways with the Su-3
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 22 December 2019 14: 15
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Everything that the Su-34 does, the Su-30 can do.
      Plus, having bombed, the Su-30 can fully fight like a fighter.

      Not everyone. You can compare the performance characteristics. The Su-34 is classified as a fighter-bomber designed on the basis of a fighter. Despite the fact that he got heavier, he retained the "habits" of a fighter. From history you can remember, at least, Pe-2/3
    3. sivuch
      sivuch 22 December 2019 14: 23
      0
      Can not . And it cannot be a full fighter either
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 22 December 2019 14: 32
        +1
        Quote: sivuch
        Can not . And it cannot be a full fighter either

        Post "warriors"
        Everything that the Su-34 does, can do su-30[/ u].

        Your Answer
        Can not . And it cannot be a full fighter either

        Judging by your comment, do you deny the possibility of the Su-30 as a fighter? Carefully re-read your post and the opponent. I understood only that. hi
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 22 December 2019 14: 58
          0
          So I put it inaccurately. As a bomber, the platypus significantly exceeds thirty - a large BN, the ability to carry heavy items, including PTB and containers (including group defense), higher survivability, better forward-down visibility, the ability to fly criminally for a long time and, in relation to the Russian 30s, also the presence of Platan, although this product is far from perfect . In principle, I wrote all this to the same warrior many times. So far, he answers according to the principle - I can’t argue, but I don’t want to agree.
          But, as a fighter, a platypus can be used, of course, and some refueling tanker or even an electronic warfare aircraft may well bring down. But in the BVB and in the DVB it will be inferior not only to the Su-35, but also to the 30-ke.
          And not only because its radar is more sharpened under the SC, but also because of the worst thrust-weight ratio, load on the wing and midship. DVB requires the ability to quickly accelerate, gain altitude, and when necessary - and brake.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 22 December 2019 15: 15
            +1
            Quote: sivuch
            I wrote all this to the same warrior many times

            "Voyaka UH" is a "terry", recognized by all members of the forum, an Israeli troll on VO. Everyone here has long been accustomed to his "pro-American" posts. The man sits on the salary of the special services. In their Israel it is even encouraged. hi
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 22 December 2019 17: 07
              +3
              For each post glorifying the Russian Su-30 fighter-bomber, the special services (whose only ???) pay me $ 1000. laughing
              1. sivuch
                sivuch 22 December 2019 17: 57
                +2
                Cheaper. I'm for the 34th more
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 22 December 2019 15: 33
            +1
            Quote: sivuch
            Like a bomber platypus

            Well, why are you trying to shove your names here? Where are you here
            What kind of "platypus" you saw? Do not push your fantasies trying to rename the popularly named plane, unless you are a tame roll.
          3. Piramidon
            Piramidon 22 December 2019 16: 10
            0
            Quote: sivuch
            platypus

            You yourself are "platypus" Australian.
          4. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 22 December 2019 17: 04
            -1
            All that you have listed about the Su-34 can be performed by the single-engine F-16.
            And ultra-low altitude, and significant bombing capacity. Because he does not need to drag his own considerable weight. Aim containers and EW containers allow the F-16 to act confidently on the battlefield, no worse than the Su-34.
            It is necessary to upgrade the Su-30 with decent avionics, and the need for a Su-34 heavyweight will disappear.
            When the Indians upgrade their Su-30 fleet, this will become clear.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 22 December 2019 17: 17
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              All that you have listed about the Su-34 can be performed by the single-engine F-16

              So take care of your F-16. What are you trying to teach us again? How much and what, by the way, can take on board yours (yes, you don’t even have one, all the Yankees deliver to you) the vaunted F-16?
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 22 December 2019 17: 21
                +1
                Personally, I’m not trying to teach you anything. But there are other, inquisitive forum participants whom my point of view may interest. And with which one can argue, of course. fellow
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 22 December 2019 17: 35
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  my point of view

                  Oh, don't tell me. Everyone here has long understood that your "point of view" is very clearly written in the letters of the US State Department. laughing
            2. sivuch
              sivuch 22 December 2019 17: 32
              +1
              Yah ? F-16 will be able to carry 12 tons? And carry EW containers like a growler?
              And how to screw the PTB to the Su-30? - It is necessary to glaze the hole on one side (and, therefore, to carry out a full range of tests), and on the other hand, to strengthen it. And to act on the score no worse than the Su-34 - so first you need to determine - and what battlefield? Of course, in Syria it’s completely fine, but in conditions where the advantage in the air has not been won (or has not been won), but you must fight here and now - Viper will have a pale look
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 22 December 2019 17: 42
                -1
                "when the air advantage has not been won (or has not yet been won), but you need to fight here and now - Viper will look pale" ///
                ---
                But the heavy Su-34 will have an even paler look. smile
                F-16, dropping all unnecessary, except for two explosive missiles at the ends of the wings, turns into a light and nimble fighter. The Su-30 also has good opportunities to conduct air combat.
                But the armored Su-34 just need to give a boost and run away if he wants to return to base.
                1. sivuch
                  sivuch 22 December 2019 18: 37
                  +1
                  And when will the F-16 reset - before, after, or instead of completing the base station?
                  Well, questions about 12 tons and containers remain
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 22 December 2019 18: 43
                    -1
                    When enemy planes attack you, then they drop everything superfluous in order to protect themselves. It can be before, after, and during. Survival... fellow
                2. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 23 December 2019 09: 42
                  +1
                  Well, if the F-16 dropped its own pair of tons of bombs, then it was done, and the enemy’s air defense completed the task. However, it’s ridiculous to talk about the ability of the F-16 to conduct air. battle, when among all classmates he has the worst maneuverability in this regard.
            3. EvilLion
              EvilLion 23 December 2019 09: 39
              +1
              I understand that the laws of physics are not spelled out for Jewish aircraft, but for all others, the ability to carry a heavy load also implies high strength, and therefore a large weight structure with a large wing area. What is clearly seen on the example of shock-oriented machines with low dynamic performance, such as F / A-18, Rafale, F-35. And whether you like it or not, the Su-30 with 5 tons of bombs will fly much better than the F-16 with three tons. The only question is whether you are satisfied with carrying a maximum of 3 tons, or whether it is necessary to carry 5-6 and how far this cargo should be brought. 500 km and 1000 km, these are two big differences.

              And I am very glad that our Air Force prefer normal champion class cars, and are not limited to compromise in all models, which include the F-16.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 23 December 2019 11: 30
                -1
                "and not limited to compromise in all models, to which the F-16 belongs." ////
                ----
                F-16 - the workhorse of the Israeli Air Force. Already 40 years old. 90% of the combat missions were carried out by them. Including a significant number of enemy aircraft shot down.
                Now they are beginning to replace the F-35, the capabilities of which are much wider.
                1. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 23 December 2019 11: 32
                  0
                  I am not interested in the opinion of the Israeli Air Force. A workhorse and a heavyweight, or a trotter, are two different things.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 23 December 2019 11: 50
                    +1
                    Anyone understands that in the nomenclature of Russian fighters there are not enough single-engine vehicles. And the reason for this is understandable: an engine of sufficient traction for a light fighter has not been created. Therefore, even on a light MiG-29 put two engines.
                    When an adequate engine appears, a light fighter will appear.
                    1. EvilLion
                      EvilLion 23 December 2019 12: 25
                      0
                      Tell that to the Chinese who made the J-10 on an engine from the Su-27. And also already understand why light fighters are an idea so-so, but for Russia it’s just non-working except maybe for air defense and light bombers.

                      About the MiG-29, which was originally larger, and the latest versions of which are in the same weight segment as the F / A-18, the Typhoon and even the smaller Rafale, is simply ridiculous. For some reason, all of them are twin-engine.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 23 December 2019 13: 00
                        0
                        Only one firm in the world (so far) makes compact and powerful engines: Pratt & Whitney
                        Therefore, everyone else has to put two engines where one is enough.
                        Maybe the engine for the Su-57 of the 2nd stage will be powerful enough to put it alone on the future light fighter.
                      2. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 23 December 2019 15: 43
                        0
                        Once again, for those in Israel, the engines from the Su-27 and Su-35 are more powerful than the engine from the F-16 of a comparable generation and the single-engine aircraft on the AL-31F exists, and it is larger than the earlier F-16s. And before that, single-engine MiG-23 and Su-17 flew to the USSR, which are also larger than the F-16.
  12. Alien From
    Alien From 22 December 2019 12: 27
    +1
    I love this beauty, even if you crack)))
    1. Monar
      Monar 22 December 2019 14: 26
      +2
      We constantly fly. Su-24 is the same beautiful, but a purely external impression is not the same. Fuselage held by wings. And then .. Well, like a ramp. He relies on the air with his whole body.
  13. Igor Aviator
    Igor Aviator 22 December 2019 12: 29
    -1
    Quote: Nexus
    Here explain what the booking is for him? At an altitude of 5000m, the fabs are thrown, below they are not used. And modern guided bombs and missiles and with 10000+ will go.

    Interestingly, you have a head just to wear a hat? what AND! You "EAT IN IT!" Then the matter is quite sad crying I-pass ...
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 22 December 2019 12: 37
    0
    From T-6 to T-60.
  15. Kaw
    Kaw 22 December 2019 13: 07
    -2
    Need a new Su-34 based on the Su-57 to do.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 22 December 2019 13: 38
      -2
      The Americans had projects of a strike aircraft based on the F-23.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 December 2019 17: 46
      0
      "We need to build a new Su-34 based on the Su-57" /////
      -----
      Not necessary. Su-57 and so will be a good fighter-bomber. good
      It has capacious internal compartments, a significant radius of action and carrying capacity.
  16. Klingon
    Klingon 22 December 2019 13: 46
    0
    Quote: Nexus
    Yes, not radically, I forgot about the gun, it is also not needed. All these bells and whistles are needed only by designers who can, what they can, only they are asked about something else, imagine a dialogue:
    Military - we need supersonic sound without afterburner. Designers - we made a controlled traction vector and super maneuverability. Military - we need accurate munitions planning bombs and missiles. Designers, we booked the cabin. Military - we need an increased flight range Designers - we will put you a refueling bar and fly away from here.

    clever what you are and, even the striped ones on their "secret" guns did not give up. Such a * reversal * happened already in the late 60s, when the guns were removed from the planes and you know how it all ended or remind you how you started to hook the cannon containers on the pylons later ??
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 23 December 2019 12: 31
      0
      The cannon was removed on the F-35B, and on C, it seems, too, too lazy to watch. Technically, you can make the gun optional in the container. But this is not very beneficial precisely for tactical interceptors, a protruding part in the stream. The gun is needed not so much in battle as in interception, because you can attract the attention of the offender by the track. A high approach speed for the same F-22 follows, including from the requirements for the possibility of visual identification during interception.

      Why the hell cannon on the Su-34 and MiG-31 (there, it seems, it was forbidden to use it at all), no one can tell clearly.
  17. Monar
    Monar 22 December 2019 14: 20
    -2
    one of the interlocutors.

    According to the second source

    OBS. Well, the fact that the fleet of flyers needs to be constantly modernized, no one argues with that. But it is too "reliable" source of information.
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 22 December 2019 14: 32
    0
    Well, the glider may be slightly updated, but the brains will probably be installed from scratch.
    And the duckling will be even more super.
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  20. mintai_kot
    mintai_kot 22 December 2019 19: 48
    +2
    Great cars In Russia, there is something to argue about! It’s not like my former homeland, everything was profiled, or rather, decommunized
  21. EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 December 2019 09: 33
    0
    Well, as it appears, then we'll bomb.
  22. Protos
    Protos 23 December 2019 10: 03
    0
    Quote: Ultima Ratio
    OK! Let the population remain poor then, but there will be a lot of tanks and calibers!

    UkrTroll you burn laughing