Putin recalled how Poland proposed to erect a monument to Hitler in 1939

At a meeting with the leaders of the countries that are part of the Commonwealth of Independent States together with Russia, Vladimir Putin for quite a long time voiced quotations from unique archival documents of the era preceding the outbreak of World War II. From the tone of the Russian president, it was clear that he was frankly offended by the resolution of the European Parliament, where it was stated that the allegedly so-called Molotov-Ribbentrop pact "paved the way for the beginning of World War II." Putin noted that with this statement in Europe they decided to equate the Soviet Union with Nazi Germany and absolve themselves of responsibility for starting the war.

According to Putin, this issue will not work, as Russia retains documents proving the leading roles of European countries in actually pushing Hitler to unleash a war against the USSR. According to Putin, Poland, by flirting with Hitler and taking advantage of the Munich Pact to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938, ended up itself a victim of the Nazi army. And a few months before the start of the war, the Polish authorities considered erecting a monument to Hitler in Warsaw.

Putin cited the response of the Polish ambassador in Berlin to the German proposal to support Hitler's initiative to export all Jews from European countries to Africa. The Polish ambassador, addressing the head of his Foreign Ministry, then said:

If Germany does this, then it will be necessary to erect a monument to Hitler in Warsaw.

Vladimir Putin presented archival documents in which representatives of Nazi Germany noted in early 1939 that they benefited from the Polish position, in which Polish divisions were stationed at the borders of the USSR. Putin called it very reminiscent of a military alliance against the USSR.

Also, at a meeting with the heads of the CIS countries, the President of Russia cited an excerpt from an archival document, where a representative of the Polish authorities, answering a question from the head of the Nazi Foreign Ministry, states that Poland (at the time of 1938-1939) "remains plans on the Ukrainian issue."

From the document:

The Poles were already in Kyiv, and these plans have not disappeared anywhere today.

Vladimir Putin, commenting on this, noted that "it was in 1939, and I would like to hope that at least today these plans have changed."

Comments

[Lord of the Sith]

So, they printed the gentry with a face about a table))

And who knows how many more documents of a piquant nature are in the archives?))

[Sergey39]

It's time to pull all these documents out of the secret archives and make them public.

[seregin-s1]

No need to hurry. Hot cools down quickly. Each document has its time.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: seregin-s1

Hot cools down quickly

"Revenge is a dish best served cold."

[Vladimir16]

Revenge is a bad assistant in business.

The interests of the country are more important.

As history shows, the Poles will drive themselves into a corner.
And yet history shows that Ukraine is a Russian land.

I would like to believe that Putin will repeat what Stalin did - he will return the lands belonging to the Russian Empire. He will return home all Russian lands.

I congratulate the inhabitants of our Motherland on the birthday of Vissarionych! Old style
Vissarionich, like all Orthodox, has two holidays:
- according to the new December 18 (historians did unearth the real date)
- and the old December 21 (the day that was celebrated in the USSR)

[Sergey39]

Quote: seregin-s1

No need to hurry. Hot cools down quickly. Each document has its time.

It's time to eat. How many of them are pickled already. Then it will be too late.

[u-345]

Quote: Sergey39

It's time to pull all these documents out of the secret archives and make them public.

All documents will never be pulled out.

On April 9, 1940, when Germany launched an invasion of Denmark and Norway, Molotov received the German ambassador Schulenburg and told him that "the Soviet government is sympathetic to the measures that Germany is forced to take."
It was about the fact that the occupation of Denmark and Norway, according to the official reports of the German government, was to prevent their occupation by the Western powers. Molotov, on behalf of the government of the USSR, wished the Third Reich complete success in its "defensive measures."

On June 17, 1940, after the capture of Paris by the Germans and five days before the surrender of France, Molotov himself invited the German ambassador to himself in order to congratulate him on behalf of the Soviet Union on the "brilliant success of the German armed forces"

Those who need to know about such documents do not deny their existence, but they will not be read out on Channel One during prime time either.

It is good for us now to talk after the fact about the affairs of the past, and even from the standpoint of the worldview of the XNUMXst century.
And then it was not known how history would go and who would be right and who was not.
That the same England did not have concentration camps? How did the "democratic" countries behave in the colonies in relation to the natives?
But, however, Hitler is an absolute evil, and Democracy is light elves. This story is written by the winners.
I am not writing to justify Nazism (they wanted to destroy us - they got what they deserved), but to the fact that everything in the world is relative. Depending on which side to look.

[32363]

Quote: u-345

Quote: Sergey39

It's time to pull all these documents out of the secret archives and make them public.

All documents will never be pulled out.

On April 9, 1940, when Germany launched an invasion of Denmark and Norway, Molotov received the German ambassador Schulenburg and told him that "the Soviet government is sympathetic to the measures that Germany is forced to take."
It was about the fact that the occupation of Denmark and Norway, according to the official reports of the German government, was to prevent their occupation by the Western powers. Molotov, on behalf of the government of the USSR, wished the Third Reich complete success in its "defensive measures."

On June 17, 1940, after the capture of Paris by the Germans and five days before the surrender of France, Molotov himself invited the German ambassador to himself in order to congratulate him on behalf of the Soviet Union on the "brilliant success of the German armed forces"

Those who need to know about such documents do not deny their existence, but they will not be read out on Channel One during prime time either.

It is good for us now to talk after the fact about the affairs of the past, and even from the standpoint of the worldview of the XNUMXst century.
And then it was not known how history would go and who would be right and who was not.
That the same England did not have concentration camps? How did the "democratic" countries behave in the colonies in relation to the natives?
But, however, Hitler is an absolute evil, and Democracy is light elves. This story is written by the winners.
I am not writing to justify Nazism (they wanted to destroy us - they got what they deserved), but to the fact that everything in the world is relative. Depending on which side to look.

I agree with everything except the last lines, no one was going to destroy the Russians as a people, otherwise there would be no ROA and many other formations consisting of Slavs on the side of Hitler. The day before yesterday, Putin also said about this that the Germans "wanted to send to Siberia or engage in work" about the destruction of the Slavs, he did not say a word for some reason.

[Dart]

read the archives, and don’t speculate .... otherwise it smells bad.

[32363]

Quote: Dart

read the archives, and don’t speculate .... otherwise it smells bad.

By the way, I also read German in the original. A lot of interesting and unexpected for you will soon come to light. Therefore, Putin worked ahead of the curve.

[Dart]

as a result, your, apparently, compatriots went to Siberia, which I am incredibly happy about, and my grandfather went on patrol in Berlin, after the German camps.
"... for you", who do you mean? from the text it is clear that all Russians, Russia.
But while facts are coming to light that are very impartial just for you, the opposite has not been seen for seventy years and is still not visible, so you wipe yourself there, gloomy "Teutonic" ... and a brazen substitution ... in Dachau 4 thousand Russian prisoners of war TOTAL then shot .. so the photo says only about one landfill! ..and how many other places were there in Dachau, huh? list? The camp had 123 different affiliates and external teams. The area of ​​​​the territory was equal to 235 hectares - from the wiki.
Guys, when they smear mud right here on the site, it’s already sickening.

[32363]

Quote: Dart

as a result, your, apparently, compatriots went to Siberia, which I am incredibly happy about, and my grandfather went on patrol in Berlin, after the German camps.
"... for you", who do you mean? from the text it is clear that all Russians, Russia.
But while facts are coming to light that are very impartial just for you, the opposite has not been seen for seventy years and is still not visible, so you wipe yourself there, gloomy "Teutonic" ... and a brazen substitution ... in Dachau 4 thousand Russian prisoners of war TOTAL then shot .. so the photo says only about one landfill! ..and how many other places were there in Dachau, huh? list? The camp had 123 different affiliates and external teams. The area of ​​​​the territory was equal to 235 hectares - from the wiki.
Guys, when they smear mud right here on the site, it’s already sickening.

in the camp branches? your vika is lying ... in the Union they taught that hundreds of thousands were shot in camps, and you see how it is, 4 thousand and no one disputes, which means someone is lying by the numbers.

[maidan.izrailovich]

.... no one was going to destroy the Russians

Well, yes, well, yes .... And the Germans created concentration camps, so that some now take selfies there.
You slanderous scoundrels should be flogged with rods until the nonsense comes out of you.

[32363]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

.... no one was going to destroy the Russians

Well, yes, well, yes .... And the Germans created concentration camps, so that some now take selfies there.
You slanderous scoundrels should be flogged with rods until the nonsense comes out of you.

Here is a photo from Dachau, taken by me, where it is written that 4 Soviet prisoners of war were shot in the bloodiest camp of the Nazi regime.

[Nick Vinokurovsky]

This is a shooting range, and not a place of destruction and executions. Prisoners could be used as targets.

[32363]

Quote: Nick Vinokurovsky

This is a shooting range, and not a place of destruction and executions. Prisoners could be used as targets.

it is also written there that the place of execution is 700-800 meters from the Dachau camp.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

. I agree with everything except the last lines, no one was going to destroy the Russians as a people, otherwise there would be no ROA and many other formations consisting of Slavs on the side of Hitler. The day before yesterday, Putin also said about this that the Germans "wanted to send to Siberia or engage in work" about the destruction of the Slavs, he did not say a word for some reason.

....... here it turns out "benefactors" to Siberia and that's it - period !!! And what about rubber Siberia !!!? This is not Moscow or even Ryazan for you! The extreme farming zone starts from the Urals. If you look at the map of permafrost, you can startle at how narrow the strip of its absence remains in comparison with the territory of modern Russian Siberia!
About “labor service” and “otherwise there was no ROA !!! This is a total rip-off!!! I'm sick of even commenting on you...

[32363]

Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

. I agree with everything except the last lines, no one was going to destroy the Russians as a people, otherwise there would be no ROA and many other formations consisting of Slavs on the side of Hitler. The day before yesterday, Putin also said about this that the Germans "wanted to send to Siberia or engage in work" about the destruction of the Slavs, he did not say a word for some reason.

....... here it turns out "benefactors" to Siberia and that's it - period !!! And what about rubber Siberia !!!? This is not Moscow or even Ryazan for you! The extreme farming zone starts from the Urals. If you look at the map of permafrost, you can startle at how narrow the strip of its absence remains in comparison with the territory of modern Russian Siberia!
About “labor service” and “otherwise there was no ROA !!! This is a total rip-off!!! I'm sick of even commenting on you...

why? visited Gerasimovka at the school museum of Pavlik Morozov, there you can learn a lot about the resettlement to Siberia of the Stolypin period.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

. why? visited Gerasimovka at the school museum of Pavlik Morozov, there you can learn a lot about the resettlement to Siberia of the Stolypin period

Fuck the broadest knowledge of your Fatherland!
Gerasimovka - ento More Ural, Siberia further!

[32363]

Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

. why? visited Gerasimovka at the school museum of Pavlik Morozov, there you can learn a lot about the resettlement to Siberia of the Stolypin period

Fuck the broadest knowledge of your Fatherland!
Gerasimovka - ento More Ural, Siberia further!

the former capital of Siberia, Tyumen, is only 100 km from Gerasimovka

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: 32363

Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

. why? visited Gerasimovka at the school museum of Pavlik Morozov, there you can learn a lot about the resettlement to Siberia of the Stolypin period

Fuck the broadest knowledge of your Fatherland!
Gerasimovka - ento More Ural, Siberia further!

the former capital of Siberia, Tyumen, is only 100 km from Gerasimovka

Tyumen - the former capital of Siberia? What else will please us poor !!!?
The first capital of Siberia Tobolsk! And this is another three hundred miles to the east!
However, the current capital of the Urals is also a hundred miles from Gerasimovka! By the way, Tyumen and Tobolsk in particular are part of the Ural Federal District, this is so to save you from mistakes!

[yustas]

And how did you manage to stick Stolypin to the USSR?

[Ryaruav]

Poles until the last hoped for a joint Drang nah osten imagine what kind of crystal night in Warsaw no worse than Westerners in Lviv 1941

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ryaruav

I can imagine what Kristallnacht in Warsaw would be no worse than Westerners in Lviv 1941

There it was.

[Ryaruav]

you know, but somehow I haven’t seen such data, you’re actually talking about Poles or Germans

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ryaruav

you know, but somehow I haven’t seen such data, you’re actually talking about Poles or Germans

Well, where can you find it? That someone will show you the documents.

[32363]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Ryaruav

you know, but somehow I haven’t seen such data, you’re actually talking about Poles or Germans

Well, where can you find it? That someone will show you the documents.

so why then is it advised to read the archives if there are no such documents in the archives? the late Ilyukhin stated that most of the documents are forgeries, which were prepared by a special department organized for this purpose.

[pl675]

Quote: Ryaruav

you know, but somehow I haven’t seen such data, you’re actually talking about Poles or Germans

you just didn't look for them.
search hint - "jew hitler madagascar"

[32363]

Quote: pl675

Quote: Ryaruav

you know, but somehow I haven’t seen such data, you’re actually talking about Poles or Germans

you just didn't look for them.
search hint - "jew hitler madagascar"

you can also add "Jews, cutting dry branches."

[pl675]

Quote: 32363

Quote: pl675

Quote: Ryaruav

you know, but somehow I haven’t seen such data, you’re actually talking about Poles or Germans

you just didn't look for them.
search hint - "jew hitler madagascar"

you can also add "Jews, cutting dry branches."

it is possible, but the sign "," in the request does not add intelligence to you, nor does it add a search result to such a request.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: pl675

it is possible, but the sign "," in the request does not add intelligence to you, nor does it add a search result to such a request.

But you have a "mind chamber".

[pl675]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: pl675

it is possible, but the sign "," in the request does not add intelligence to you, nor does it add a search result to such a request.

But you have a "mind chamber".

there is a little.
for being written separately.
don't thank.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: tihonmarine

But you have a "mind chamber"

Quote: pl675

for being written separately

Danubynafig...

[pl675]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: tihonmarine

But you have a "mind chamber"

Quote: pl675

for being written separately

Danubynafig...

I'll be a bastard

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: pl675

I'll be a bastard

Well, it's up to you...

And in "but with you" - but, it still together

[tihonmarine]

Quote: pl675

I'll be a bastard

Sorry, I don't doubt it.

[beeper]

The Poles, if they are let off the leash, are still a beast (the same, the Galician banderlogs are their serfs-learners!)!
Not only Jews, but also other non-Poles were massively slaughtered - Ukrainians, Belarusians, Armenians, ... the same "Volyn Massacre" was the answer of the "Heroic" banderva gangs to similar actions of the Polish AK (Home Army) and the Polish auxiliary police - the Nazi occupiers of them they skillfully pitted "on a national basis" so that they would mutually kill each other and a larger "peaceful" - they would free up "Lebensraum (living space)" for the Aryan "ubermenshes", and they would intimidate the survivors!
Yes, and their peaceful fellow citizens of German nationality, the Poles immeasurably killed, right in September 1939, when, with the outbreak of war with Germany, the gentry thought that they would soon defeat the "weaker" Hitler!
Bromberg and Schulitz - the genocide by the Poles of the German population, September 1939 (as well as the beating of Jews in Lvov in June 1941 - even Polish-Galician children took part in this!)!
The same thing happened with the local German population, when in 1944-45 Poland was given lands in Prussia!

And about the genocide of the Jewish population by the Poles, about the implementation by Warsaw of the Hitlerite policy of "Judenfrey" with death camps, only Auschwitz (Auschwitz) and other Treblinkas with Sobibor-Travniki from the many such "death factories" with Polish servants are heard!
Poland and Israel are now in no way agreeing on the recognition of the genocide of the Jews in the struggle for the vaunted "mono-ethnicity of the Polish nation"!

My dad, who miraculously survived (largely thanks to a simple German miner from the Ruhr) in a Nazi concentration camp, said that there were no worse animals than kapos and overseers from Poles and immigrants from Polish Galicia!
It is not for nothing that Polish citizens committed atrocities on the Kiev "Euromaidan", they killed and are still killing civilians in the Donbass-Warsaw, the Galician-Bandera genocide of the Ukrainian population is beneficial, Banderization and the collapse of the post-Maidan amerocolony "Ukraine" -

"Polish plans on the Ukrainian issue remain"

!!!
The same "Polish plans" and "on the Belarusian issue" - the Polish special services and the Polish authorities are preparing the Minsk "Euromaidans", organizers and extremists for them with might and main, with the expectation of the subsequent annexation of the Belarusian territory, as they call it - "Vskhudnyh Kresov (Eastern Outskirts) "!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: pishchak

Bromberg and Schulitz - the genocide by the Poles of the German population, September 1939 (as well as the beating of Jews in Lvov in June 1941 - even Polish-Galician children took part in this!)!

What was, was. Here, documents are not needed, witnesses of the massacre are still alive.

[tol100v]

So many documents (savory) have been preserved in the archives that they will last for many decades to shut up the mouths of "changing history"! There are also surnames, including Small Britain!

[figwam]

Yes, let them listen now...

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: figvam

Yes, let them listen now...

Honestly, I do not understand this global digging in the dirty linen of the past. Few today's problems? Everything in order? I thought that for la-la Zakharov there is. Otherwise, soon the level of politics will drop to the level of ridiculous posts on Twitter and eternal diving in the style of Zakharov lite.

[figwam]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

To be honest I don't understand

What's incomprehensible here? The United States is preparing a new war against Russia, and this is the problem of today and the same tomorrow, before that creating a new history, where it repaints Russia in black and brown, because it’s not a pity to punish the bad.

[vanavatny]

to no avail, the commander-in-chief has been talking for two days in a row about the applied nature of the phrase about the connection between the past and the future, comrade Sky Strike fighter does not see it ...

[Wolf]

The Czechs call this "Minchen Betrayal"!

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

So, they printed the gentry with a face about a table))

And who knows how many more documents of a piquant nature are in the archives?))

A lot .. It was in Poland that the Holocaust was created (stoves, etc.) and already in 45, Soviet troops had to be involved in order to prevent pogroms .. It’s terrible what happened!
And the Jews keep quiet about this heh heh .. That's what's a shame guys! Poles anti-Semites outrage over the graves of our soldiers
Yes, they agree again, as in the fascist regime ..
And they accuse us Russians here that we are so bad, etc.
PS and I like it all now, at least honestly everything will be on our part .... And we will already divide the "brothers" or not .. How will it turn out in a future war for survival ..

[Ryaruav]

in the camps, most of the kapos were Poles

[lwxx]

Quote: Ryaruav

in the camps, most of the kapos were Poles

The Poles were service personnel in the camps located on the territory of Poland. That is why they do not really want to honor the memory of the concentration camps.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Starper-777

Poles anti-Semites outrage over the graves of our soldiers

So, do you think the Poles anti-Semites outrage our Jewish soldiers? Interesting fact.

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Starper-777

Poles anti-Semites outrage over the graves of our soldiers

So, do you think the Poles anti-Semites outrage our Jewish soldiers? Interesting fact.

The Germans taught them so ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

And who knows how many more documents of a piquant nature are in the archives?

Lots of.

[IL-18]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

spicy documents

For the Chekhovs, there are enough photographs from the museums of captured equipment of the Wehrmacht. Although, the workers of all countries that found themselves in the Third Reich or in alliance with it by the end of 1940 can hardly be reproached for their lack of diligence in working for new masters.

[knn54]

Putin's message also included this:
"... When Lukasiewicz (Poland's ambassador to France) also answered in the negative to the question whether Poland would come to the rescue if France, after the German attack on Czechoslovakia (and there was an agreement on mutual assistance between France and Czechoslovakia), if Germany declared war on France. Polish the representative answered no. Daladier said that he saw no point in the Franco-Polish alliance and in the sacrifices that France was making in its name."
Is it any wonder that the French and British did not come to the aid of the Poles in 1939?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

"Actually, it was the French and the British who declared war on Hitler on September 3, 1939 for aggression in Poland." Were there many "dead" in the first days of the war in those days?

[mark1]

Quote: Graf56

He did not explain why the Second World War began precisely after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

After the defeat of Poland, our troops would have reached the Curzon line anyway (at least to protect their territory), but without an agreement with Germany, clashes were not ruled out, but do we need it? And the Germans too. But it would just be in the hands of the Anglo-French and Poles - to rake in the heat with the wrong hands.
P, S, And the territory of Czechoslovakia was divided simply without secret agreements.

[Flooding]

Quote: Graf56

In fact, it was the French and the British who declared war on Hitler on September 3, 1939 for aggression in Poland.

What surprises you about this?
The French were confident in the insurmountability of the Maginot Line.
It's one thing to help someone, it's another thing to declare war, sitting out behind the English Channel and fortifications.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: knn54

Is it any wonder that the French and British did not come to the aid of the Poles in 1939?

Churchill said - "Poland is the hyena of Europe. What the West has not eaten, Poland picks up. There are no countries in the world that adore Poland." Reproaching us with the invasion in September 1939, the Poles forget about their parade with the Nazis

[goblin xnumx]

what did they print? - what documents? - about the fact that the USSR did not have its own helicopter engines? that they didn’t produce anything other than galoshes? - that they didn’t have their own engines for sea and river ships? what else will they find in the archives?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Leshy74

about the fact that the USSR did not have its own helicopter engines? that they didn’t produce anything other than galoshes? - that they didn’t have their own engines for sea and river vessels?

Are you delusional? What was this fiery "cry of the soul" about?

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Leshy74

what did they print? - what documents? - about the fact that the USSR did not have its own helicopter engines? that they didn’t produce anything other than galoshes? - that they didn’t have their own engines for sea and river ships? what else will they find in the archives?

It's getting warmer in Chelyabinsk, spring has suddenly come and off-season exacerbations have begun!
Now seriously, Goblin 74, do not disgrace the supporting edge of the state!

[Phil77]

Hello Vlad! You are lucky, at least you saw the winter. And here, in Moscow, a dull, dull autumn. There is no snow. In general. It's sad.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Sergey everything for you! Outside -14'.

[Phil77]

Great! That's just great!!!! When will such happiness come to us? A real Russian winter. And outside my window is a Soviet thermometer * Moscow * / almost an antique little thing / shows +2. I envy you!!!

[svp67]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

So, they printed the gentry with a face about a table))

Now they will start yelling that all this was invented and printed out at the "Russian fake factory", it will become of them ...

Vladimir Putin, commenting on this, noted that "it was in 1939, and I would like to hope that at least today these plans have changed."

Has not changed, they are already back in Kyiv
And apparently again we must remember that when discussing plans for an attack on Poland in 1939, Hitler repeatedly stated that if Pilsudski were alive now, then everything could be resolved by peace ...

[Rostislav Bely]

all this modern gentry from converts like Tadeusz Kosciuszko - the father is drunk from Orthodoxy to Catholics, but his serfs decided for his indecency ... therefore, the hereditary gentry did not relate to them - the same Sosnovskiys (Nalench), plus a Jesuit upbringing for the "slutty" class , renounced the oath ...

[Karaul73]

Let's all give a fuck! There is an installation to mix Russia with mud, they will spoil it. The main thing is not to play along with this. Need a strong rear, at home

[Flooding]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

So, they printed the gentry with a face about a table

Noble gentry were printed more than once in history.
But this did not diminish their ambition.
We must get used to the idea that this should be a regular preventive measure.

[LeonidL]

Well done Putin! All cards about former friends and brothers that are now not brothers and not friends on the table! Let the saved world know at the end who saved him and who betrayed him. About all the bloody and vile atrocities!

[kventinasd]

SchA in the Polish midfield will start to burn, and then at the grunters.

[rruvim]

18 years in power. And I decided to voice "quotes from unique archival documents of the era preceding the start of World War II" just now.
Was he afraid of anyone, or did they not give the archives to the guarantor? Such an "exclusive" from 1939 from the mouth of the president.

[kventinasd]

Quote: rruvim

Was he afraid of anyone, or did they not give the archives to the guarantor?

I did not want to offend the "partners" under the Warsaw Pact. I thought that the accomplices of Nazism would come to their senses at least a little, but they couldn’t see it.

[rruvim]

Accomplices of Nazism have long been in the ground. Here is a clear interference in the Polish elections.

[kventinasd]

Oh is it? Accomplices of Nazism (2 countries), who did not accept the declaration of condemnation of Nazism, are still in good health.

[Incvizitor]

Accomplices of Nazism

Until now, it is supported with might and main on the territory of the former Ukraine.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: kventinasd

I did not want to offend the "partners" under the Warsaw Pact. I thought that the accomplices of Nazism would come to their senses at least a little, but they couldn’t see it.

Here everyone makes his little "zuchenweichik".

[Scoun]

Quote: rruvim

18 years in power. And I decided to voice "quotes from unique archival documents of the era preceding the start of World War II" just now.

Yeah, he came to power and immediately rushed to disassemble the archives. Enough frank blizzard to drive. The time has come and voiced. Not everyone is like you seven spans Volbu.

From the tone of the Russian president, it was clear that he was frankly offended by the resolution of the European Parliament, where it was stated that the allegedly so-called Molotov-Ribbentrop pact "paved the way for the beginning of World War II."

Imha.
This should be the tone of all people, not only those who lost their loved ones in that terrible war.
Everyone has to poke a log with light elves in their sheep.

[rruvim]

In general, "the time has come and voiced it" - this is just in the spirit of petty kings and Chekists. And the ideal ruler, self-confident, should come and immediately voice (such, however, cannot be in principle). And then they denied the "secret protocol" right up to June of this year, when the Soviet original was published. Was Putin not up to this? For several years, many historians of the Second World War have been bombarding the RGVA and RGViA with requests to declassify some of the archives regarding the first months of the war and the period of cooperation with the Reich from the 33rd. To no avail. Will we wait for another "epiphany" of the brightest?

[Scoun]

Quote: rruvim

And then they denied the "secret protocol" right up to June of this year, when the Soviet original was published. Was Putin not up to this?

It’s like you are ... but write something like that ....
I remind you.
Prior to the Munich speech of the GDP, Russia passionately kissed Europe's ass. Then, Georgia, Ukraine, vada, sanctions, russiagates, creaking and so on.
You are not "pressing," but people are tired.

[wt100]

Such compromising evidence (skeletons in the closet) are always waiting in the wings

[Ryaruav]

it’s just that for the not-so-smart it starts to dawn that they’re not going to accept their pack in the west into their golden club, they all wiped their spit, they wiped everything hoping, and soon the elections to the Duma, and this is very serious and if fools (unfortunately, many of all ages) vote for The core will get worse and worse as long as we have rabid capitalism, simple elections won't change anything

[lwxx]

Quote: rruvim

18 years in power. And I decided to voice "quotes from unique archival documents of the era preceding the start of World War II" just now.
Was he afraid of anyone, or did they not give the archives to the guarantor? Such an "exclusive" from 1939 from the mouth of the president.

You should not be a politician, and you are not a poker player either.

[rruvim]

Let them play politics however they want. And it is important for me to find out why there were fewer Russian people by 20 million in five years.

[rruvim]

And 10 Germans.

[lwxx]

Quote: rruvim

Let them play politics however they want. And it is important for me to find out why there were fewer Russian people by 20 million in five years.

Well, we are unlikely to know the whole truth, just as how many lives were saved by non-disclosure or dosed supply of such materials.

[cherkas.oe]

If this is still a secret for you, then you are a bad citizen of your country.

[Flooding]

Quote: rruvim

18 years in power. And I decided to voice "quotes from unique archival documents of the era preceding the start of World War II" just now.
Was he afraid of anyone, or did they not give the archives to the guarantor? Such an "exclusive" from 1939 from the mouth of the president.

Do you think the main task of the president is to read archival documents?
Give at least a couple of such examples.

[pl675]

Quote: Flood

Quote: rruvim

18 years in power. And I decided to voice "quotes from unique archival documents of the era preceding the start of World War II" just now.
Was he afraid of anyone, or did they not give the archives to the guarantor? Such an "exclusive" from 1939 from the mouth of the president.

Do you think the main task of the president is to read archival documents?
Give at least a couple of such examples.

I believe that the main task of the guarantor is work and care for the people.
Is he ashamed to say that his teeth were treated for free in the school dental office, with free medicine? - if anything, we still have it, as it were, for free. whose children / grandchildren filled their teeth without leaving school ???
ashamed to say about the pensions that his parents lived on? - if only they could play Survivors of 12 now. Well, that's a harsh comparison, but still.
walks wide, his pants are already cracked. and for what was said no responsibility.

[Flooding]

Quote: pl675

I believe that the main task of the guarantor is work and care for the people.
Is he ashamed to say that his teeth were treated for free in the school dental office, with free medicine?

I won't even argue about it. Because I agree.
But I wrote about something else and on a different occasion.
In response to complaints of a different nature.

[cherkas.oe]

Roman, please do not be offended by the Poorly Educated People who gave you minuses. For it was for them that the guarantor made an excursion into history with such details. You must have noticed the look in the eyes of the Armenian prime minister when he heard about the role of Western democracies including Poland in cultivating the Nazi regime in Germany - he is from the same illiterate, frenzied generation who does not know history. People of our generation who went to the Soviet school in 1964-65 in the ninth and tenth grades, studying the history of the USSR and in particular the history of the Second World War, studied the Munich conspiracy, and the provocation of the beginning of the 2nd World War, and the capture of the Sudetenland by Poland, and Poland's ban on the passage of our troops to help the Czech Republic, and the cowardly policy of France and England in this matter, as well as the forced signing of a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany, in order to delay the start of the war to prepare for it. And I support your question about what prevented our president from getting those responsible for the curriculum of the history of our state and world history to leave in the history books a description of the true role of Western democracies in the second world war. emergency mode, do not shake papers and make yourself a laughingstock in front of the people of his generation.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

No, neither the plans of the West nor the plans of Poland have changed to this day.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Poles are a nation with low social responsibility. They were, are and will be

[Ryaruav]

Donskoy, you know, they say that ordinary Poles are mostly good for Russia, however, like the Bulgarians, I personally don’t know, but I think it’s impossible to blame everything on politics, we all are also responsible for our prezik

[vladimirvn]

Obviously, our special propaganda is not being finalized if the President of the Russian Federation is forced to do this. Or is everything on command, waiting for go-ahead?! It's time to say everything about the Czechs. And you see, they are in the forefront in attacks on us. And the French, who, on our initiative, were taken in advance by the UN.

[Lord of the Sith]

The President of the Russian Federation, a representative of the special services, has a harder word. Therefore, from these words, the "Western partners" primary sexual characteristics are drawn inwards)))

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

primary sexual characteristics are drawn inward

Wow, are they still there???

[faterdom]

He threw some firewood on them today, so that everything ... in splinters. Let them try to pull it out.

[LiSiCyn]

I think it is necessary to invite historians from all over the world and show them some documents. With expertise, if required. Widely covering it in the media. By the Victory Anniversary, it will look normal.
Poke your nose at some former "allies" and then let them squeal how they fought with Hitler ... I mean, FOR Hitler.

[Terenin]

Quote: LiSiCyn

I think it is necessary to invite historians from all over the world and show them some documents. Widely covering it in the media.
Poke your nose, some former "allies".

Quite right. What Putin did.

[LiSiCyn]

Genady, greetings
So far, the GDP for its own can be said to have made a statement. And I propose, through the Russian Academy of Sciences, officially ... I think ours have a lot of interesting things in the "stash" with signatures and names.

[Terenin]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Genady, greetings
So far, the GDP for its own can be said to have made a statement. And I propose, through the Russian Academy of Sciences, officially ... I think ours have a lot of interesting things in the "stash" with signatures and names.

Welcome
We have, as they say, two ways . Shut up or answer. Silence (aka tolerance) was perceived by "our partners" as a weakness, and from this they went mad. One should not think that Western intellectuals are of "high class" . Everything is simpler, like "fish on ice" - a pack of one.
In response, you need to competently - "oncoming and lateral" one country (a sample is the radio station "Moscow Speaks" under the USSR). I'm sure the second one won't work. .
Well, how else!? (political instructor Klochkov, from the film "28 Panfilovites").

[tihonmarine]

Quote: LiSiCyn

I think it is necessary to invite historians from all over the world and show them some documents. With expertise, if required. Widely covering it in the media.

And what will it give? The West has already declared the enemy. So you can invite, but everyone will speak out for the "Common Guilt of the USSR." What is ordered will be done, but it will still be the fault of the USSR.

[LiSiCyn]

You know, historians (scientists) are very curious people. And not all, on the content. And such an opportunity, especially if you pay the costs, will not be missed.

[Ryaruav]

this is stupid except us, everyone will listen to the voice of america

[7,62x54]

While historians from all over the world will break down, go or not go, you need to keep your eyes open and keep an eye on the state. archives. The hour is not even, again sabotage, it will blaze again as in 2015. Lost important documents.

[7,62x54]

Apparently Lenin again planted ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 7,62x54

Apparently Lenin again planted ...

Oh, that's not necessary about Lenin. You need to pray for Lenin.

[7,62x54]

I agree with you completely

[Ryaruav]

well, you went too far about praying, I will never forgive him the Great Russian people -85% how the peasants won the civil war, at whose expense industrialization began yes it was vital but we need to talk about this

[AU Ivanov.]

For peace. The mausoleum is glass wool for him.

[Bshkaus]

It seems to me that the division of Poland, and in general, the pre-war relations between the USSR and Germany, is a very delicate topic that must be approached very carefully without unnecessary bravado and radicalism.
Everything is very ambiguous. "fraternization" of the Red Army with German soldiers also took place, and this is a bitter fact (((.

[tol100v]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

No, neither the plans of the West nor the plans of Poland have changed to this day.

All fakes about the Great Patriotic War should be answered in this way: culturally, documented and tough! Although it is possible and half a meter lower and with all his might! Come quickly!

[rruvim]

Comrades! I understand that Putin is a great scientist, and he can still write an article about the 39th, but why, at this press conference show, did he compare the "Munich Treaty" on the partition of Czechoslovakia with the partition of Poland according to a "secret" protocol. Putin's words: "Yes, they say there are secret protocols, partition of Poland. Poland itself participated in the division of Czechoslovakia. I went to two districts - Tishinsky and the second district there. And that's it, she took them. That's all. An ultimatum was actually issued. A whole group was created for aggression. It was not required, because Czechoslovakia simply surrendered under this pressure and gave up these territories. But they did the same."
No need for him to say the word "section" at all. In fact (comment by an archivist historian):
In the secret protocol, the text of which was presented, nothing is written about the division of the territories of Poland. At all. Here is a fragment: "In the event of a territorial and political reorganization of the regions that are part of the Polish State, the boundaries of the spheres of interest of Germany and the USSR will approximately run along the line of the Nareva, Vistula and San rivers." I draw your attention: nothing is said here about the division of the territory of Poland, but only about the "border of spheres of interest." No more. There are a huge number of agreements on such boundaries of spheres of interest, including the Yalta-Potsdam agreements. And you can assume that they mean the division of territories, as much as you like. But the protocol does not explicitly mention this.

[Gennady Fomkin]

And these comparisons show that nothing has essentially changed - as they were buy and sell, they essentially remained the same. Only a lot of ugly moments surfaced, which explains a lot in their behavior

[georggy]

He himself had already erected monuments during his lifetime and more than once.

[Ivan7527]

Pshekov, with his common language complex, is long overdue to be put in his place and kicked in the teeth so as not to yelp. Despite the fact that they are our relatives and when we were "pagans" we lived together with them, but when they were attacked, since then the Vatican has been poisoning them on us (now the same garbage with the outskirts and their Uniatism).

[Andrey.AN]

Yes. In Moscow, the archives are more abrupt than in the Vatican, the Germans in Berlin collected from all over Europe, ours were taken to Moscow.

[Xenofont]

Earlier, Putin would have started exposing Hitler's accomplices, but now the idea of ​​the USSR's guilt has gripped the broad masses: both a pack of jackal politicians and a herd of ruminant inhabitants in the entire geyropa.

[Chaldon48]

That's why Poland modernizes tanks and tries to keep the army at a "level". Once they were able to defeat the poorly prepared Red Army and mock the prisoners of war, among which were not only Russians. This case is probably still itchy in the mind of someone in Poland.

[rocket757]

All the fuss of modern gay European politicians is designed for an unconscious herd!
In response, you need to send specific reminders !!! Send something.

[LeonidL]

You are right, it was precisely for this, for the preparation of an oblivious herd in Russia and Europe, that such mythologists as Rezun, Bunich, Akunin, Svanidze worked .... the whole cohort of "liberal and advanced" ...

[Thunderbolt]

LeonidL, just one question. Do you live far from Moscow?

[LeonidL]

The question is wrong - in the age of the Internet it does not matter.

[Thunderbolt]

If the Stalinist repressions did not go through your family, this does not mean that they did not exist.
Near Moscow is the famous Butovo. I have a park in the Volga region right in the center of the city --- in those days there were NKVD dachas --- now the sun is shining there and the kids are walking, consider, along the graves .. And in the nameless mass graves, the bones of the enemies of the people. My grandfather is a stool in the teeth offered to agree that he was an enemy of the people and a spy for Polish and German intelligence. And this is in the 40th year !!! --- complete insanity .. I wrote here three times ---- immediately at the beginning of the war my grandfather came out dragging in enemy technologies, there was knowledge, but there weren’t enough teeth .They were all knocked out. Grandma then told ---- such a miserable, but literate and firm once they brought to their site of a spinning factory.

[Thunderbolt]

tila on the production side, yes, it flew and sparkled so much that I ended up with / military flash /. , and in Russian Alyosha. And in Korean too. Grandfather immediately after the war there on a business trip, some things are kept by me from the North Koreans ...
LeonidL (Leonid) I brought all this, Schaub you appreciated / come on /. How many valuable personnel we lost before the war. My ancestor, in the eighties, fried an egg and talked everything. ................................................. .......... studied science.)))

[LeonidL]

Think about what the "dachas of the NKVD" wrote - graves. Well, who will shoot next to the dachas? We must not forget the dead, but we must not pedal, put pressure on dachas and graves. It only raises doubts about the sincerity.

[rocket757]

Everyone will have something to remember ..... if they started to forget! For me, it's better not to forget at all.
Unfortunately, we, the rulers of history, have enough .... but we ourselves forget! This does not happen by order.

[Thunderbolt]

Vit, yes, it’s so .... it just splashed out of me. It’s clear that every apartment has its own cockroaches, but when the bell starts to ring, then I’m in the Russian land, dear, slippery
At least with a pick, at least I will bite into my soul.
As in the Stalingrad steppe, the regiments went burping
The skates smelled the water ....
And then there was the morning
Black smoke over the river
Morning veiled us
Blue eyes...
We were built quickly
Everything is clean for Russia
On Mamaev Kurgan
Fate called us
"Height 102"
Limit vertical
Black water
White streams
hugged a soldier
And she bewitched.

[rocket757]

Welcome
Each family has its own history, but it is inseparable from our Motherland!
My Grandfathers ... one was sitting, the other was guarding, defending the borders, chasing the Khukhuzes, the Basmachi, and then the "forest brothers"! For which he was awarded many awards, a KGB colonel.
They are both FAMILY for me, by the way, I have never seen a bad relationship between them.
We must accept, understand, everything as it is.
You can delve into the past, but then to the end, to the darkest / lightest ... in short, to the end. And then you can draw conclusions.

[rruvim]

Everyone more or less familiar with history knows about this so-called. "Munich Conspiracy", including middle school students. Over the past 20 years, hundreds of articles have been written about this in various magazines and on newspaper pages, which has become an Axiom for everyone. And rightly so. But our president managed to present it in such a way at "communication with journalists" and even in pursuit with "spicy" details at a meeting with the heads of the CIS, what it became NEWSDamn, what a revelation. And many were even inspired ...

[for]

Quote: bouncyhunter

"Revenge is a dish best served cold."

But not rotten!1

[rruvim]

A piquant example of the words of the Polish ambassador "If Germany does this, then it will be necessary to erect a monument to Hitler in Warsaw.", sounded from the mouth of Putin, is generally useless. In the period of 1935-39 (at the height of our "friendship"), the Central Committee and Stalin personally received dozens of letters from leaders and labor collectives about the installation of busts of Furrer. This was indirectly written about in the 90s, but the topic itself is still classified. Although the historian Alexander Shirokorad in NVO No. 46 of 2019, as best he could on 1,5 pages, described in detail the military-technical cooperation with Germany during this period.

[Alexey Kurilov_2]

Shirokorad is the same nonsense as you

[maidan.izrailovich]

This was indirectly written about in the 90s, but the topic itself is still classified.

No need to lie
Under Yeltsin, Russia's enemies had enough authority and time to turn any archive inside out.
Though the KGB, even the party, even any other. And these freaks were digging compromising information on the Russians in full. And they did not find anything confirming their nonsense.

[Alexey Kurilov_2]

Let them erect a monument to Ivan Susanin in the center of Warsaw

[baku1999]

Polska has not perished, just as it has not died yet ................... geyroppa hyena, it will presumably be the number one target !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[ljoha_d]

I'm afraid that history is repeating itself now, everything is like in the late thirties, only instead of Hitler, the Americans. And they are already all over the Baltic states, and the Germans failed to do this at the initial stages

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from gnoieigw

fought on the side of Nazi Germany.

Where is it?

Quote from gnoieigw

How Jews in Russia were humiliated and killed

And when?

[gnoieigw]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Where is it?

And where is the difference between the Second World War and the Great Patriotic War; only Russians have two wars, everyone else has one, and everyone knows the role of Russians in it.

Quote: Mordvin 3

And when?

This part of history is not taught in Russian schools, it is very unsightly. For me, this is the story of my family.

[Mordvin 3]

More specifically. The fog was thrown in here. Are you embarrassed, or what?

[kot28.ru]

so who, as in spirit, admits to you that his didas were buried in caches?

[Yuri Mikhailovsky]

We played too much in the game of "weeping" ... And there was only the grin of the beast. So it was, so it will be.

[LeonidL]

The real instigators of the Second World War in Europe were the signatories and beneficiaries of the Munich Agreement - including Poland! Poland longed for a joint campaign against the USSR together with Hitler, as a full-fledged ally, but ... but Hitler considered the Poles to be the same "Untermensch" as all Slavs. Poland proudly denied Hitler the issue of Danzig and the trans-Polish corridor to Prussia. This was the last grain of sand on the scales of the war. And the lamentations and lamentations of modern Polish pseudo-historians about the failed "joint" celebration of the Victory of Hitler and Smgly in Moscow are nothing more than dreams of an unrealizable by definition. The parade was not made, but the world massacre in Europe was launched. I emphasize - in Europe. in reality, WWII began with a shootout on a bridge in China, with the Tonkin massacre. However, one can count the war in Europe from the Anschluss of Austria. The capture of one country by the armed forces of another, albeit without firing. Well, at worst - the capture of Czechoslovakia, turning it into a Protectorate. there was even the courageous resistance of the Czechoslovak lieutenant and his soldiers ... The only bright spot on the uniform of the Czechoslovak army.

[Klingon]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Quote: seregin-s1

Hot cools down quickly

"Revenge is a dish best served cold."

exactly! So says the old Klingon proverb

[eklmn]

“...as in Poland they proposed to erect a monument to Hitler”
The key word was “offered”, but in fact - they didn’t put it. But the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was “in fact”, and on this fact the USSR and Germany divided Europe, which created the prerequisite for the start of WWII.
There is nothing to blame for the fact that someone wanted / did not want somewhere. The fact was / is / will be - the USSR helped Hitler unleash a bloody war.

[maidan.izrailovich]

... the USSR helped Hitler unleash a bloody war ..

No need to lie.
Anschlusses, annexations and occupations began in Europe after the Munich Agreement.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мюнхенское_соглашение
In which the USSR did not participate and which condemned.

[eklmn]

Don't pretend - the USSR occupied part of Poland until the age of 41, B 1939.

[maidan.izrailovich]

I don't trust psheks. Each time gaining independence, they begin to sharpen knives on the Russians.
Russia, at the right time, needs to get rid of such an entity on its border as Poland.
Either share it again with the Germans, or let the Germans take it entirely.

[Tuzik]

Hitler, before giving the Teshin region to the Poles, had to immediately agree on its exchange with Danzig. Maybe there would be no war. In any case, the Germans and Poles are to blame, their quarrel became a spark.

[Crazy]

Poland can still be reminded of a lot of things from history .. They have become forgetful in recent years ..

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

And how did Manerheim hang a board in our time, he didn’t remember? And where was it? 40 minutes of patience was enough to listen to this liar, then he spat and turned off the TV.

[Metallurg_2]

Poland seems to be considering the possibility of a "diplomatic reaction" to this statement.
I wonder how they will react to this indisputable historical fact?
Well, it’s starting to please that such statements are being made at the official level, and not on Pushkov’s Twitter. You need more and more painful injections.

[Tests]

Once again I will ask the question that I have already asked on the site: "Who and when decided that the Second World War began on September 01, 1939?"
What happened on September 01, 1939? Joint attack of Germany and Slovakia on Poland. And everything...
How much, in %, of the total land area on planet Earth was the territory of the countries covered by the war? How many % of the world's population lived in countries that by the evening of September 01, 1939 fought?
What is the GDP of the countries that fought by the evening of 01.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX, from the global one?
And is this World War?
For a resident of New Zealand, did something change on the morning of 02.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX? And for a Brazilian? And for a Mexican? And Thailand? And Iceland? And Portugal? Maybe, for example, for a resident of Angola or Mozambique, something has changed? Have they stopped making coffee in Casablanca in the morning? Was there a panic on the stock exchange in New York?
On September 03, 1939, the bloody aggressor Slovakia was branded with disgrace in the British Parliament?... But the mother of a murdered Polish soldier was still killed by a German soldier or a Slovakian soldier ... Or does someone think differently? ... About 770 sq. km from the territory of Poland, Slovakia cut to itself following the results of the battles in September 1939, the population increased by 35 people ... Slovakia did not unleash world wars, it "returned its own" or still ...
Why is March 1939 not considered the start of World War II? There are two suitable dates - March 14 and 23, March 23 even more ... Ribbentrop is directly related to these dates, but it’s a shame that neither Molotov nor Stalin can be tied in any way ... Something in Europe they don’t remember the Urbshis pact - Ribbentrop ... Yes, and the Düsseldorf Agreement of March 16, 1939 was forgotten in Europe, it seems that European politicians ate little sea fish in childhood, it seems that they had an iodine deficiency ... At that time, people fought and died in Europe, not in any there distant China or in Ethiopia. The borders of Europe were redrawn, but without the USSR ... Something to remember.
On March 18, 1939, the Polish Navy was in full combat readiness ...
And when did Britain start planning Operation Beijing? "Beijing" began at about 13 pm on August 29, 1939 ... Yes, that's a shame, neither V.M. Molotov, nor K.E. Voroshilov, nor I.V. Stalin, nor L.P. Beria, and not even N.G. Kuznetsov, there is no way to tie it to Operation Beijing .... So who and when started the Second World War ?!

[rruvim]

Another year will pass, and at the next blah blah blah with Putin after another nasty thing learned by the Polks, the GDP will declassify data on the scale of production and plans for the use of chemical weapons in Poland in 1928-1939. He will declassify the performance characteristics and the number of Polish chemical shells and air bombs, as well as plans for their use against the Soviet peoples. Now it's classified. Probably for the next press conference of the Guarantor. And then "a monument to Hitler in Warsaw." Funny!

[Tuzik]

"... the number of Polish chemical shells and air bombs ..."

Did we have fewer of them? Therefore, it probably has not been declassified so far.
Or I did not understand trolling?