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Putin recalled how Poland proposed to erect a monument to Hitler in 1939

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At a meeting with leaders of countries that are part of the Commonwealth of Independent States together with Russia, Vladimir Putin for quite some time voiced quotes from unique archival documents from the era that preceded the outbreak of World War II. From the tone of the Russian president, it was clear that he was frankly hurt by the resolution of the European Parliament, where it was stated that the allegedly so-called Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact "paved the way for the start of World War II." Putin noted that in this statement in Europe they decided to equate the Soviet Union with Nazi Germany and relieve themselves of responsibility for starting a war.


According to Putin, this number will not work, since Russia has documents that prove the leading roles of European countries in actually pushing Hitler to unleash a war against the USSR. According to Putin, Poland, flirting with Hitler and taking advantage of the Munich conspiracy to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938, she herself eventually became a victim of the Nazi army. And a few months before the start of the war, the Polish authorities considered the question of establishing a monument to Hitler in Warsaw.

Putin cited the response of the Polish ambassador in Berlin to the German proposal to support Hitler’s initiative to export all Jews from Europe to Africa. The Polish ambassador, referring to the head of his Foreign Ministry, then declared:

If Germany does this, it will be necessary to erect a monument to Hitler in Warsaw.

Vladimir Putin presented archival documents in which representatives of Nazi Germany in early 1939 noted that they favored the Polish position, in which Polish divisions were on the borders of the USSR. Putin called it very reminiscent of a military alliance against the USSR.

Also at a meeting with the heads of CIS countries, the Russian president cited an excerpt from an archival document, where a representative of the Polish authorities, answering a question from the head of the Hitler’s foreign affairs agency, said that Poland (at the time of 1938-1939) had “plans on the Ukrainian issue”.

From the document:

The Poles were already in Kiev, and these plans today have not disappeared.

Commenting on this, Vladimir Putin noted that “the case was in 1939, and I would like to hope that at least by the present day these plans have changed.”
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 20 December 2019 20: 41
    +44
    So, they printed the gentry with a face on the table))

    And who knows how many more documents of a piquant nature are in the archives?))
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 20 December 2019 20: 46
      +22
      It's time to pull out all these documents from the secret archives and make them public.
      1. seregin-s1
        seregin-s1 20 December 2019 20: 54
        +44
        No need to rush. Hot cools quickly. Each document has its own time.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 20 December 2019 21: 09
          +19
          Quote: seregin-s1
          Hot cools quickly

          "Revenge is a dish served cold." wink
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 21 December 2019 09: 46
            +11
            Revenge is a poor helper in business.

            The interests of the country are more important.

            As history shows, the Poles themselves will be cornered.
            And another story shows that Ukraine is a Russian land.

            I would like to believe that Putin will repeat what Stalin did - he will return the lands belonging to the Russian Empire. Will return home all Russian lands.

            Happy birthday to Vissarionitch! good drinks Old style wink
            Vissarionych, like all Orthodox, has two holidays:
            - on the new December 18 (historians unearthed the real date)
            - and on the old December 21 (the day that was celebrated in the USSR)
        2. Sergey39
          Sergey39 21 December 2019 00: 13
          +3
          Quote: seregin-s1
          No need to rush. Hot cools quickly. Each document has its own time.

          This is the time. How many of them are already pickling. Then it will be too late.
      2. u-345
        u-345 20 December 2019 22: 21
        +11
        Quote: Sergey39
        It's time to pull out all these documents from the secret archives and make them public.

        All no one will ever pull out documents.

        On April 9, 1940, when Germany launched an invasion of Denmark and Norway, Molotov received the German ambassador Schulenburg and told him that "the Soviet government is sympathetic to the measures that Germany is forced to take."
        It was about the fact that the occupation of Denmark and Norway, according to official reports of the German government, was supposed to prevent their occupation by the Western powers. On behalf of the USSR government, Molotov wished the Third Reich complete success in his “defensive measures”.

        On June 17, 1940, after the Germans captured Paris and five days before the surrender of France, Molotov himself invited the German ambassador to congratulate him on behalf of the Soviet Union on the “brilliant success of the German armed forces”

        They don’t deny their presence about such documents, who need everyone to know, but they won’t read them out in the prime time on Channel One either.

        It’s good for us now to reason after the fact about the affairs of bygone days and even from the perspective of the XNUMXst century.
        And then it was not known how the story would go and who would be right and who would not.
        What did England itself not have in concentration camps? How did “democratic” countries behave in the colonies in relation to the indigenous people?
        But, however, Hitler is an absolute evil, and Democracy is light elves. This story was written by the winners.
        I’m not writing to justify Nazism (they wanted to destroy us — they got what they deserved), but to the fact that everything in the world is relative. Looking from which side to look.
        1. 32363
          32363 20 December 2019 23: 19
          -20
          Quote: u-345
          Quote: Sergey39
          It's time to pull out all these documents from the secret archives and make them public.

          All no one will ever pull out documents.

          On April 9, 1940, when Germany launched an invasion of Denmark and Norway, Molotov received the German ambassador Schulenburg and told him that "the Soviet government is sympathetic to the measures that Germany is forced to take."
          It was about the fact that the occupation of Denmark and Norway, according to official reports of the German government, was supposed to prevent their occupation by the Western powers. On behalf of the USSR government, Molotov wished the Third Reich complete success in his “defensive measures”.

          On June 17, 1940, after the Germans captured Paris and five days before the surrender of France, Molotov himself invited the German ambassador to congratulate him on behalf of the Soviet Union on the “brilliant success of the German armed forces”

          They don’t deny their presence about such documents, who need everyone to know, but they won’t read them out in the prime time on Channel One either.

          It’s good for us now to reason after the fact about the affairs of bygone days and even from the perspective of the XNUMXst century.
          And then it was not known how the story would go and who would be right and who would not.
          What did England itself not have in concentration camps? How did “democratic” countries behave in the colonies in relation to the indigenous people?
          But, however, Hitler is an absolute evil, and Democracy is light elves. This story was written by the winners.
          I’m not writing to justify Nazism (they wanted to destroy us — they got what they deserved), but to the fact that everything in the world is relative. Looking from which side to look.

          I agree with everything except the last lines, no one was going to destroy the Russians as a people, otherwise there would be no ROA and many other units consisting of Slavs on Hitler's side. Putin said the day before yesterday that the Germans "wanted to send them to Siberia or use them in the work" about the destruction of the Slavs, he did not say a word for some reason.
          1. Dart
            Dart 21 December 2019 00: 06
            +11
            read the archives, but not conjecture .... otherwise it smells bad.
            1. 32363
              32363 21 December 2019 10: 49
              -5
              Quote: Dart
              read the archives, but not conjecture .... otherwise it smells bad.

              By the way, I read German in the original. A lot of interesting and unexpected things will come to light soon. Therefore, Putin worked ahead of the curve.
              1. Dart
                Dart 21 December 2019 11: 52
                +1
                as a result, your compatriots, apparently, went to Siberia, which I am extremely happy about, and my grandfather went on patrol in Berlin, after the German camps.
                "... for you", who did you mean it for? from the text it is clear that all Russians, Russia.
                But while facts come to light that are very impartial for you, the opposite has not been seen for about seventy years and is still not visible, so rub down you there, gloomy "Teuton" ... and an impudent substitution ... in Dachau there are 4 thousand Russian prisoners of war TOTAL then shot .. so the photo says only about one polygon! ..and how many other places were there in Dachau, huh? The camp had 123 different branches and external teams. The area of ​​the territory was equal to 235 hectares - from wiki.
                Guys, when they smear dirt right here on the site, it’s sickening.
                1. 32363
                  32363 21 December 2019 14: 33
                  -4
                  Quote: Dart
                  as a result, your compatriots, apparently, went to Siberia, which I am extremely happy about, and my grandfather went on patrol in Berlin, after the German camps.
                  "... for you", who did you mean it for? from the text it is clear that all Russians, Russia.
                  But while facts come to light that are very impartial for you, the opposite has not been seen for about seventy years and is still not visible, so rub down you there, gloomy "Teuton" ... and an impudent substitution ... in Dachau there are 4 thousand Russian prisoners of war TOTAL then shot .. so the photo says only about one polygon! ..and how many other places were there in Dachau, huh? The camp had 123 different branches and external teams. The area of ​​the territory was equal to 235 hectares - from wiki.
                  Guys, when they smear dirt right here on the site, it’s sickening.

                  branch camps? your vetch is lying ... In the Union it was taught that hundreds of thousands were shot in camps, but you see it, 4 thousand and no one disputes, that means someone is lying in numbers.
          2. maidan.izrailovich
            maidan.izrailovich 21 December 2019 04: 25
            +10
            .... no one was going to destroy the Russians

            Well, yes, yes .... And the Germans created concentration camps so that some would now take selfies there.
            You should be flogged with bastards by you with rods until nonsense comes out of you.
            1. 32363
              32363 21 December 2019 10: 24
              -5
              Quote: maidan.izrailovich
              .... no one was going to destroy the Russians

              Well, yes, yes .... And the Germans created concentration camps so that some would now take selfies there.
              You should be flogged with bastards by you with rods until nonsense comes out of you.

              here's a photo from Dachau, taken by me, where it says that in the bloodiest camp of the Nazi regime, 4 thousand Soviet prisoners of war were shot.
              1. nickname vinokurovsky
                nickname vinokurovsky 22 December 2019 17: 47
                +1
                This is a shooting range, and not a place of destruction and executions. Prisoners could be used as targets.
                1. 32363
                  32363 22 December 2019 18: 10
                  -2
                  Quote: nick Vinokurovsky
                  This is a shooting range, and not a place of destruction and executions. Prisoners could be used as targets.

                  it also says that the place of execution, from the Dachau camp it is 700-800 meters.
          3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 December 2019 05: 46
            +10
            ... I agree with everything except the last lines, no one was going to destroy the Russians as a people, otherwise there would be no ROA and many other units consisting of Slavs on Hitler's side. Putin said the day before yesterday that the Germans "wanted to send them to Siberia or use them in the work" about the destruction of the Slavs, he did not say a word for some reason.

            ....... here it turns out to be "benefactors" to Siberia and that’s it! And what is Siberia rubber !!!? This is not Moscow, or even Ryazan! The zone of extreme agriculture begins with the Urals. If you look at the map of permafrost, you can startle how much remains a narrow strip of its absence in comparison with the territory of modern Russian Siberia!
            About "labor service" and "otherwise there was no POA !!! This is generally a pereglets !!! I even comment on you feeling sick ......
            1. 32363
              32363 21 December 2019 10: 30
              -5
              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
              ... I agree with everything except the last lines, no one was going to destroy the Russians as a people, otherwise there would be no ROA and many other units consisting of Slavs on Hitler's side. Putin said the day before yesterday that the Germans "wanted to send them to Siberia or use them in the work" about the destruction of the Slavs, he did not say a word for some reason.

              ....... here it turns out to be "benefactors" to Siberia and that’s it! And what is Siberia rubber !!!? This is not Moscow, or even Ryazan! The zone of extreme agriculture begins with the Urals. If you look at the map of permafrost, you can startle how much remains a narrow strip of its absence in comparison with the territory of modern Russian Siberia!
              About "labor service" and "otherwise there was no POA !!! This is generally a pereglets !!! I even comment on you feeling sick ......

              why? I visited Gerasimovka in the school museum of Pavlik Morozov, there is a lot to learn about the Stolypin period's resettlement to Siberia.
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 December 2019 11: 17
                +4
                . why? I visited Gerasimovka at the school museum of Pavlik Morozov, there is a lot to learn about the Stolypin period's resettlement to Siberia

                Ahrenet the broadest knowledge of your Fatherland!
                Gerasimovka - ento More Urals, Siberia on! laughing
                1. 32363
                  32363 21 December 2019 13: 29
                  -2
                  Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  . why? I visited Gerasimovka at the school museum of Pavlik Morozov, there is a lot to learn about the Stolypin period's resettlement to Siberia

                  Ahrenet the broadest knowledge of your Fatherland!
                  Gerasimovka - ento More Urals, Siberia on! laughing

                  the former capital of Siberia, Tyumen, from Gerasimovka only 100km
                  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 December 2019 15: 59
                    +3
                    Quote: 32363
                    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    . why? I visited Gerasimovka at the school museum of Pavlik Morozov, there is a lot to learn about the Stolypin period's resettlement to Siberia

                    Ahrenet the broadest knowledge of your Fatherland!
                    Gerasimovka - ento More Urals, Siberia on! laughing

                    the former capital of Siberia, Tyumen, from Gerasimovka only 100km

                    Is Tyumen the former capital of Siberia? What else will you please us poor !!!?
                    The first capital of Siberia Tobolsk! And this is another three hundred miles east!
                    However, the current capital of the Urals is also a hundred miles from Gerasimovka! By the way, Tyumen and Tobolsk in particular are part of the Urals Federal District, this is so as to protect you from mistakes!
                    hi
              2. yustas
                yustas 21 December 2019 15: 54
                +2
                And Stolypin, what side did you manage to stick to the USSR? belay
    2. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 20 December 2019 20: 48
      +9
      until recently, the Poles were hoping for a joint drang nakh osten I can imagine no matter what the crystal night in Warsaw would be, no worse than Westerners in Lviv 1941
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 December 2019 21: 03
        +1
        Quote: Ryaruav
        I can imagine what a crystal night in Warsaw would be no worse than Westerners in Lviv 1941

        There it was.
        1. Ryaruav
          Ryaruav 20 December 2019 21: 06
          -7
          you know, but somehow I didn’t meet such data, are you generally talking about Poles or Germans
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 December 2019 21: 09
            0
            Quote: Ryaruav
            you know, but somehow I didn’t meet such data, are you generally talking about Poles or Germans

            Well, where can you meet this? That someone will show you the documents.
            1. 32363
              32363 21 December 2019 12: 56
              -3
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: Ryaruav
              you know, but somehow I didn’t meet such data, are you generally talking about Poles or Germans

              Well, where can you meet this? That someone will show you the documents.

              so why then read archives are advised if there are no such documents in the archives? the still late Ilyukhin claimed that most of the documents were fakes, which were cooked up by a special department organized for these purposes.

          2. pl675
            pl675 20 December 2019 22: 16
            +3
            Quote: Ryaruav
            you know, but somehow I didn’t meet such data, are you generally talking about Poles or Germans


            you just didn’t look for them.
            search hint - "the Jews hitler madagascar"
            1. 32363
              32363 20 December 2019 23: 20
              -3
              Quote: pl675
              Quote: Ryaruav
              you know, but somehow I didn’t meet such data, are you generally talking about Poles or Germans


              you just didn’t look for them.
              search hint - "the Jews hitler madagascar"

              you can also add "Jews, cutting dry branches".
              1. pl675
                pl675 21 December 2019 00: 06
                -1
                Quote: 32363
                Quote: pl675
                Quote: Ryaruav
                you know, but somehow I didn’t meet such data, are you generally talking about Poles or Germans


                you just didn’t look for them.
                search hint - "the Jews hitler madagascar"

                you can also add "Jews, cutting dry branches".


                it is possible, but the sign "," in the request, you do not add mind, as well as the search result for such a request.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 21 December 2019 13: 17
                  -2
                  Quote: pl675
                  it is possible, but the sign "," in the request, you do not add mind, as well as the search result for such a request.

                  But you have a "ward".
                  1. pl675
                    pl675 21 December 2019 22: 35
                    -3
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Quote: pl675
                    it is possible, but the sign "," in the request, you do not add mind, as well as the search result for such a request.

                    But you have a "ward".


                    have a little bit.
                    for being separately written.
                    do not give thanks.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 21 December 2019 22: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      But you have a "mind chamber"

                      Quote: pl675
                      for being spelled separately

                      Danubynafig ...
                      1. pl675
                        pl675 21 December 2019 22: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        But you have a "mind chamber"

                        Quote: pl675
                        for being spelled separately

                        Danubynafig ...


                        I will be a reptile
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 21 December 2019 22: 52
                        -2
                        Quote: pl675
                        I will be a reptile

                        Well, that's up to you ...

                        And in "but you have" - ​​on the other hand, it together wink
                      3. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 22 December 2019 12: 17
                        -1
                        Quote: pl675
                        I will be a reptile

                        Sorry, I have no doubt about that.
      2. beeper
        beeper 20 December 2019 22: 38
        +4
        Poles, if you let go from the leash-beast, even then (the same Galician Banderlogs are their lackeys-learners!)!
        Not only Jews, but also other non-Poles were massacred - Ukrainians, Belarusians, Armenians, ... the same "Volyn massacre" was the response of Banderva's "heroic" gangs to similar actions of the Polish AK (Home Army) and the Polish auxiliary police - Hitler's occupiers of their skillfully played off "on a national basis", so that they mutually kill each other and "peacemakers" more - liberate "Lebensraum (living space)" for the Aryan "yubermenesses", and scare the survivors!
        Yes, and their peaceful fellow citizens of German nationality, the Poles killed immeasurably, right in September 1939, when, with the outbreak of war with Germany, the gentry thought that soon they would overcome the "weaker" Hitler!
        Bromberg and Schulitz-genocide by the Poles of the German population, September 1939 (like the beating of Jews in Lviv in June 1941 — even Polish-Galician children took part in this!)!
        It was the same with the local German population when the lands in Prussia were transferred to Poland in 1944-45!

        And only Auschwitz (Auschwitz) and other Treblinkas with Sobibors-Travniks from many such "death factories" with Polish servants are heard about the genocide of the Jewish population by the Poles, about Warsaw's implementation of Hitler's "Judenfrei" policy with death camps!
        Poland and Israel now cannot agree on the recognition of the genocide of Jews in the struggle for the vaunted "mono-ethnicity of the Polish nation"!

        My dad, who miraculously survived (in many respects, thanks to a simple German miner from the Ruhr) in the Nazi concentration camp, said that there were no worse animals than kapo and overseers from Poles and immigrants from Polish Galicia!
        It is not without reason that Polish citizens committed outrages in the Kiev "Euromaidan", they killed and are killing civilians in the Donbass-Warsaw, the Galician-Bandera genocide of the Ukrainian population, Banderization and the collapse of the post-Maidan American colony "Ukraine" are beneficial -
        "Polish plans on the Ukrainian issue remain"
        !!!
        The same "Polish plans" and "on the Belarusian issue" - the Polish special services and the Polish authorities are in full swing preparing Minsk "Euromaidans", organizers and extremists for them, with the expectation of the subsequent annexation of the Belarusian territory, as they call it - "Kresov Vskudnykh (Eastern Outskirts) "!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 21 December 2019 13: 20
          0
          Quote: pishchak
          Bromberg and Schulitz-genocide by the Poles of the German population, September 1939 (like the beating of Jews in Lviv in June 1941 — even Polish-Galician children took part in this!)!

          What was, was. There is no need for documents here, witnesses to the massacre are still alive.
    3. tol100v
      tol100v 20 December 2019 20: 51
      +7
      There are so many documents (piquant) preserved in the archives that they will be enough for many decades to shut the mouths of those who change history! There are also surnames, including the United Kingdom!
      1. figwam
        figwam 20 December 2019 21: 11
        +3
        Yes, let them now at least listen ...
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 20 December 2019 21: 47
          -24
          Quote: figvam
          Yes, let them now at least listen ...

          Honestly, I do not understand this global digging in the dirty laundry of the past. Is there a little problem today? Is everything all right? I thought there was one for la-la Zakharov. And soon the level of politics will drop to the level of ridiculous posts on Twitter and eternal dive in the style of Zakharov lite.
          1. figwam
            figwam 20 December 2019 22: 02
            +5
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Honestly i don't understand

            What is incomprehensible here? The United States is preparing a new war against Russia, and this is the problem of today and tomorrow, too, before creating a new story where it repaints Russia in black and brown, because it’s not a pity to punish bad things.
          2. vanavatny
            vanavatny 20 December 2019 22: 10
            +3
            two days in a row, the commander-in-chief taldychit about the applied character of the phrase about the connection of the past with the future, Comrade Sky Strike fighter does not see this ...
        2. Wolf
          Wolf 21 December 2019 01: 17
          +5
          The Czechs call it "Minchensko Predatestvo"! wink
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    4. Starper-xnumx
      Starper-xnumx 20 December 2019 21: 00
      +8
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      So, they printed the gentry with a face on the table))

      And who knows how many more documents of a piquant nature are in the archives?))

      A lot .. Holocaust was created in Poland (stoves, etc.) and back in the 45th, Soviet troops had to be attracted to prevent pogroms .. There was a horror of what was happening! hi
      And the Jews keep silent about this heh heh .. That's what a shame men! Poles anti-Semites abuse the graves of our soldiers
      Yes, they assent again, as in the fascist regime ..
      And here we are accused of Russian. That we are so bad, etc.
      PS and I like all this now, at least honestly everything will be from our side .... And we will divide the "brothers" or not ... How will it turn out in the future war for survival .. soldier
      1. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 20 December 2019 21: 07
        +2
        in the camps most of the capos were Poles
        1. lwxx
          lwxx 20 December 2019 21: 22
          +5
          Quote: Ryaruav
          in the camps most of the capos were Poles

          Poles were staff in camps located in Poland. That is why they do not really want to honor the memory of concentration camps.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 December 2019 21: 13
        -2
        Quote: Starper-777
        Poles anti-Semites abuse the graves of our soldiers

        So do you think the Poles anti-Semites abused our soldiers by Jews? Interesting fact.
        1. Starper-xnumx
          Starper-xnumx 20 December 2019 22: 25
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Starper-777
          Poles anti-Semites abuse the graves of our soldiers

          So do you think the Poles anti-Semites abused our soldiers by Jews? Interesting fact.

          The Germans taught them that way ..
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 December 2019 21: 04
      +2
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      And who knows how many more documents of a piquant nature are in the archives?

      Lots of.
    6. IL-18
      IL-18 20 December 2019 21: 11
      +6
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      documents of a piquant nature

      For Chekhov, there are enough photos from museums of captured Wehrmacht equipment. Although, the workers of all countries who found themselves in the Third Reich or in alliance with it by the end of 1940, it is difficult to reproach for the lack of diligence in working for the new owners.
    7. knn54
      knn54 20 December 2019 21: 15
      +3
      Putin’s message also included this:
      "... When Lukasiewicz (Poland's ambassador to France) also answered negatively to the question whether Poland would come to help if France, after the German attack on Czechoslovakia (and there was a mutual assistance agreement between France and Czechoslovakia), if Germany declares war on France. the representative replied that no. Daladier said that he saw no point in the Franco-Polish alliance and in the sacrifices that France makes in its name. "
      Is it any wonder that the French and British did not come to the aid of the Poles in 1939?
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        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 20 December 2019 21: 57
          +9
          "Actually, it was the French and the British who declared war on Hitler on September 3, 1939 for the aggression in Poland." There were many "perished" in the first days of the war in those days?
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        2. mark1
          mark1 20 December 2019 22: 31
          +9
          Quote: Graf56
          Didn’t just explain why the Second World War began precisely after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

          After the defeat of Poland, our troops would have anyway entered the Curzon line (at least to protect their territory), but without an agreement with Germany, clashes were not ruled out, but do we need it? Yes, and the Germans too. But it would just be in the hands of the Anglo-French and Poles - to rake the heat with other hands.
          P, S, And the territory of Czechoslovakia was divided simply without secret treaties.
        3. Flooding
          Flooding 20 December 2019 23: 13
          +2
          Quote: Graf56
          In fact, it was the French and British who declared war on Hitler on September 3, 1939, for aggression in Poland.

          What surprises you in this?
          The French were confident in the irresistibility of the Maginot line.
          It is one thing to help someone, another thing is to declare war, sitting behind the Channel and fortifications.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 21 December 2019 00: 24
        +6
        Quote: knn54
        Is it any wonder that the French and British did not come to the aid of the Poles in 1939?

        Churchill said - "Poland is the hyena of Europe. That the West has not finished eating, Poland picks up. There are no countries in the world that adore Poland." Reproaching us for the invasion of September 1939, the Poles forget about their parade with the Nazis

    8. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 20 December 2019 21: 17
      -28
      what did they print? - what documents? - about the fact that the USSR did not have its own helicopter engines? that besides galoshes they didn’t release anything? - that there were no engines for sea and river vessels? what else would they find in the archives?
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 20 December 2019 23: 04
        +9
        Quote: Leshy74
        about the fact that the USSR did not have its own helicopter engines? that besides galoshes they didn’t release anything? - that there were no engines for sea and river ships?

        Are you delusional? What was this fiery cry of the soul about?
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 December 2019 05: 52
          +4
          Quote: Leshy74
          what did they print? - what documents? - about the fact that the USSR did not have its own helicopter engines? that besides galoshes they didn’t release anything? - that there were no engines for sea and river vessels? what else would they find in the archives?


          In Chelyabinsk, warming, spring has suddenly come and inter-season exacerbations have begun!
          Now seriously- The Wrong 74 strong edge of the state do not disgrace!
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 21 December 2019 08: 48
            +2
            Hello Vlad! You were lucky, at least they saw the winter. And here, in Moscow, we have a dull, dull autumn. There is no snow. In general, it's sad. sad
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 December 2019 10: 06
              +3
              Sergey is all for you! Outside the window -14 '.

              1. Phil77
                Phil77 21 December 2019 10: 29
                0
                Great! That's just great !!!! When will such happiness come to us? Real Russian winter. And I have a Soviet thermometer * Moscow * / almost an antique thing outside my window. laughing / shows + 2. I envy you !!!
    9. svp67
      svp67 20 December 2019 21: 46
      +7
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      So, they printed the gentry with a face on the table))

      Now they will start yelling that all this was invented and printed at the "Russian factory of fakes", they will become ...
      Commenting on this, Vladimir Putin noted that “the case was in 1939, and I would like to hope that at least by the present day these plans have changed.”
      It has not changed, they are already in Kiev again
      And apparently we must again remember that when discussing plans for an attack on Poland in 1939, Hitler repeatedly stated that if Pilsudski was alive now, then everything could be decided by the world ...
    10. Rostislav Bely
      Rostislav Bely 20 December 2019 21: 53
      +1
      all this modern nobility from the crossings of the type of Tadeusz Kosciuszko - the father is drunk from Orthodoxy to Catholics, but his serfs decided for his indecency ... therefore the hereditary nobility did not relate to them - the same Sosnovsky (Nalench), plus Jesuit education for the "whore" class , renounced the oath ...
    11. Karaul73
      Karaul73 20 December 2019 22: 45
      0
      Yes, all spit! There is an installation to mix Russia with mud, they will spoil. The main thing is not to play along with this. Need a strong rear, at home
    12. Flooding
      Flooding 20 December 2019 22: 55
      +1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      So, they printed the gentry with a face on the table

      The noble nobles were sealed more than once in history.
      But they did not decrease their ambition from this.
      You need to get used to the idea that this should be a regular preventive measure.
    13. LeonidL
      LeonidL 22 December 2019 00: 23
      0
      Well done Putin! All the cards about the former jerks and brothers that now are not brothers and not friends on the table! Let the saved world know at the end who saved it and who betrayed it. About all the bloody and vile atrocities!
  2. kventinasd
    kventinasd 20 December 2019 20: 43
    +11
    SchA in the Polish Foreign Ministry will start to burn, and then at the archers.
  3. rruvim
    rruvim 20 December 2019 20: 43
    -15
    18 years old with Power. And he decided to voice "quotes from unique archival documents of the era that preceded the start of World War II" just now.
    Was he afraid of someone, or did they not give the guarantor the archives? Such an "exclusive" from 1939 from the lips of the president.
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 20 December 2019 20: 45
      +11
      Quote: rruvim
      Was he afraid of something, or the archives were not given to the guarantor?

      I didn't want to offend the "partners" under the Warsaw Treaty. I thought that the accomplices of Nazism would come to their senses at least a little, but they didn’t see it.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 20 December 2019 20: 49
        -24
        Aides to Nazism have long been in the ground. This is a clear interference in the Polish elections. winked
        1. kventinasd
          kventinasd 20 December 2019 20: 54
          +12
          Oh oh Aiding Nazis (2 countries) who have not accepted a declaration condemning Nazism still live.
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 20 December 2019 22: 01
          +2
          Helpers of Nazism
          Until now, he is being supported in full on the territory of the former Ukraine.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 December 2019 21: 02
        0
        Quote: kventinasd
        I didn't want to offend the "partners" under the Warsaw Treaty. I thought that the accomplices of Nazism would come to their senses at least a little, but they didn’t see it.

        Here everyone makes their own little "zuhenweich".
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 20 December 2019 20: 54
      +12
      Quote: rruvim
      18 years old with Power. And he decided to voice "quotes from unique archival documents of the era that preceded the start of World War II" just now.

      Yeah, he came to power and immediately rushed to disassemble the archives. Enough of the blizzard to drive. The time has come and voiced. Not everyone is like you seven span wolves.

      From the tone of the Russian president, it was clear that he was frankly hurt by the resolution of the European Parliament, where it was stated that the allegedly so-called Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact "paved the way for the start of World War II."

      Imha.
      This should be the tonality of all people, not only those who have lost loved ones in that terrible war.
      Everyone should poke a log of light elves in their sheep.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 20 December 2019 21: 27
        -19
        In general, "the time has come and announced it" - this is exactly in the spirit of the petty kings and the Chekists. And the ideal ruler, confident in himself, must come and immediately voice (such, however, cannot be in the princes). And then they refused to use the "secret protocol" right up to June of this year, when the Soviet original was published. Wasn't Putin up to it? For several years, many historians of the Second World War have been bombarding the RGVA and RGViA with requests to declassify part of the archives regarding the first months of the war and the period of cooperation with the Reich since the 33rd. To no avail. Shall we wait for another "epiphany" of the Serene Highness?
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 20 December 2019 22: 48
          +8
          Quote: rruvim
          And then they refused to use the "secret protocol" right up to June of this year, when the Soviet original was published. Wasn't Putin up to it?

          Here it’s like you are ... but write something like that ....
          I remind you.
          Before the Munich speech of GDP, Russia kissed Europe’s ass in a hickey. Then, Georgia, Ukraine, WADA, sanctions, rashagatey, creaked and so on.
          You are not "pressed," but people are tired of it.
    3. wt100
      wt100 20 December 2019 20: 54
      +3
      Such incriminating evidence (skeletons in the closet) is always waiting in the wings
    4. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 20 December 2019 21: 17
      -18
      it’s just for those who are not very smart that it’s not going to take their pack in the west to their gold club that they all wiped away the spits, all wiped away hoping well and soon the elections to the Duma would be very serious and if the fools (unfortunately a lot of people of all ages) go out for edro will be worse and worse until we have frenzied capitalism by simple elections can not change anything
    5. lwxx
      lwxx 20 December 2019 21: 28
      +8
      Quote: rruvim
      18 years old with Power. And he decided to voice "quotes from unique archival documents of the era that preceded the start of World War II" just now.
      Was he afraid of someone, or did they not give the guarantor the archives? Such an "exclusive" from 1939 from the lips of the president.
      You should not be a politician, and you are not a player in poker. hi
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 20 December 2019 21: 35
        -8
        Let them play politics as they want. But it’s important for me to find out why there are less 20 million Russians in five years.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 20 December 2019 21: 35
          -2
          And the Germans for 10.
        2. lwxx
          lwxx 20 December 2019 21: 41
          +1
          Quote: rruvim
          Let them play politics as they want. But it’s important for me to find out why there are less 20 million Russians in five years.

          Well, the whole truth is unlikely to be known to us, just as many lives were saved by non-disclosure or metered supply of such materials.
        3. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 21 December 2019 00: 02
          -4
          If this is still a secret to you, then you, a poor citizen of your country.
    6. Flooding
      Flooding 20 December 2019 23: 15
      +3
      Quote: rruvim
      18 years old with Power. And he decided to voice "quotes from unique archival documents of the era that preceded the start of World War II" just now.
      Was he afraid of someone, or did they not give the guarantor the archives? Such an "exclusive" from 1939 from the lips of the president.

      Do you consider the president’s main task to read archival documents?
      Give at least a couple of similar examples.
      1. pl675
        pl675 21 December 2019 00: 40
        -3
        Quote: Flood
        Quote: rruvim
        18 years old with Power. And he decided to voice "quotes from unique archival documents of the era that preceded the start of World War II" just now.
        Was he afraid of someone, or did they not give the guarantor the archives? Such an "exclusive" from 1939 from the lips of the president.

        Do you consider the president’s main task to read archival documents?
        Give at least a couple of similar examples.


        I believe that the main task of the guarantor is work, and care for the people.
        is he ashamed to voice the fact that his teeth were treated for free in the school dental office, with free medicine? - if anything, we have it now as if free. whose children / grandchildren had their teeth filled without leaving school ???
        ashamed to say about the pensions on which his parents lived? - if only they could now play 12 survivors. Well, this is a tough comparison, but nonetheless.
        strides widely, the pants are already cracked. but for the foregoing no responsibility.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 21 December 2019 02: 42
          0
          Quote: pl675
          I believe that the main task of the guarantor is work, and care for the people.
          is he ashamed to voice the fact that his teeth were treated for free in the school dental office, with free medicine?

          I won’t even argue about this. Because I agree.
          But I wrote about something else and for another reason.
          In response to complaints of a different nature.
    7. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 20 December 2019 23: 52
      +1
      Roman, you please do not be offended by the Little Educated People who have gifted you with minuses. For the guarantor specifically for them made an excursion into history with such details. You probably noticed the expression of the eyes of the Armenian prime minister when he listened to the role of Western democracies, including Poland, in nurturing the Nazi regime in Germany - he is from the same illiterate, frenzied generation that does not know history. People of our generation who went to the Soviet school in 1964–65 in the ninth and tenth grade studying the history of the USSR and in particular the history of the Great Patriotic War studied the Munich conspiracy, the provocation of the outbreak of World War II, the capture of Sudetenland by Poland, and Poland’s ban on our troops to help the Czech Republic, and the cowardly policy of France and England in this matter, as well as the forced signing of a non-aggression pact with fascist Germany, in order to delay the start of the war in preparation for it. And I support your question about what prevented our president from compelling those who are responsible for compiling curricula on the history of our state and world history so that they would leave a description of the true role of Western democracies in World War II in history textbooks. In the emergency mode, do not shake the papers and make yourself a laughing stock in front of people of his generation.
  4. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 20 December 2019 20: 43
    +5
    No, neither the plans of the West nor the plans of Poland have changed today.
  5. Dmitry Donskoy
    Dmitry Donskoy 20 December 2019 20: 43
    +7
    Poles are a nation with low social responsibility. There were, are and will be am
    1. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 20 December 2019 21: 22
      -13
      Don you know, they say that ordinary Poles are mostly good for Russia, but like the Bulgarians I personally don’t know, but I don’t blame everything on politics, we all are responsible for our prez too
  6. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 20 December 2019 20: 46
    +2
    Obviously, our special propaganda is not finalizing if the President of the Russian Federation is forced to do this. Or is it all on command, the go-ahead is waiting ?! It's time to say everything about the Czechs. And you see, they are in the forefront in attacks on us. And the French, who on our initiative, were taken in advance at the UN.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 20 December 2019 20: 49
      +1
      The president of the Russian Federation, a representative of the special services, has a harder word. Therefore, from these words in "Western partners" the primary sexual characteristics are drawn inward)))
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 20 December 2019 21: 11
        +7
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        primary sexual characteristics are drawn inward

        Zhor, and they still stayed there ??? recourse
  7. faterdom
    faterdom 20 December 2019 20: 47
    +5
    He threw them firewood today, so that everything ... in the splinter. Let them try to pull up.
  8. LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 20 December 2019 20: 47
    +13
    I believe that historians from around the world should be invited and some documents presented to them. With examinations, if necessary. Widely covering this in the media. For the Anniversary of Victory, it will look normal.
    Poke your nose, some former "allies" and then let them squeal how they fought with Hitler ... I mean, FOR Hitler. negative
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 20 December 2019 20: 58
      +9
      Quote: LiSiCyn
      I believe that historians from around the world should be invited and some documents presented to them. Widely covering this in the media.
      Poke your nose, some former "allies". negative

      That's right. What Putin did.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 20 December 2019 21: 05
        +9
        Genadius, I welcome hi
        While GDP can be said for its own, the statement has been made. And I propose, through the Russian Academy of Sciences, officially ... I think that ours have a lot more interesting things, with signatures and surnames.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 21 December 2019 00: 11
          +7
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Genadius, I welcome hi
          While GDP can be said for its own, the statement has been made. And I propose, through the Russian Academy of Sciences, officially ... I think that ours have a lot more interesting things, with signatures and surnames.

          Welcome hi
          We have, as they say, two ways winked ... Be silent or answer. Silence (aka tolerance) was perceived by "our partners" as weakness, and from this they were oozed. Do not think that Western intellectuals of "high rank" No. ... Everything is simpler, like "fish on ice" - a pack of one.
          In response, you need to competently - "oncoming and side" one country (sample - the radio station "Moscow speaking" in the USSR). I'm sure it won't come to the second thing yes .
          Well, how else !? (political instructor Klochkov, from the film "Panfilov's 28").
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 December 2019 20: 58
      0
      Quote: LiSiCyn
      I believe that historians from around the world should be invited and some documents presented to them. With examinations, if necessary. Widely covering this in the media.

      And what will it give? The West has already declared an enemy. So you can invite, but everyone will speak out for the "Common guilt of the USSR". They will do what is ordered, but it will still be the fault of the USSR.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 20 December 2019 21: 20
        +7
        You know, historians (scientists) are very curious people. And not all, on the content. And such an opportunity, especially if you pay the costs, will not be missed.
    3. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 20 December 2019 21: 27
      -11
      it's stupid except us everyone will listen to the voice of america
    4. 7,62x54
      7,62x54 20 December 2019 21: 28
      -1
      While historians from all over the world will break down, to go or not to go, you need to keep an eye on and keep an eye on the state. archives. It’s not even an hour, sabotage again, again it will burn like in 2015. Destroy important documents.
  9. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 20 December 2019 20: 52
    -2
    Apparently Lenin again planted ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 December 2019 20: 59
      -1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Apparently Lenin again planted ...

      Oh, I don’t need about Lenin. You need to pray for Lenin.
      1. 7,62x54
        7,62x54 20 December 2019 21: 25
        -2
        I agree with you completely
      2. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 20 December 2019 21: 33
        -3
        well, you’ve gone too far about praying, I will never forgive him the Great Russian people -85% the peasants won the civil war, at whose expense industrialization began and it was vitally necessary, but this must be said
      3. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 December 2019 22: 05
        -7
        For peace. The mausoleum is glassy to him.
  10. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 20 December 2019 20: 58
    -15
    It seems to me that the partition of Poland, and indeed, the pre-war relations of the USSR and Germany, is a very delicate topic, which must be approached very carefully without unnecessary bravado and radicalism.
    Everything is very ambiguous. "fraternization" of the Red Army with German soldiers also took place, and this is a bitter fact (((.
  11. tol100v
    tol100v 20 December 2019 21: 00
    +3
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    No, neither the plans of the West nor the plans of Poland have changed today.

    All fakes about the Great Patriotic War should be answered in this way: culturally, documented and too tough! Although it is possible and a half meter lower and with all its might! Come quickly!
  12. rruvim
    rruvim 20 December 2019 21: 06
    +1
    Comrades! I understand that Putin is a great scientist, and can still write an article about the 39th, but why, at this show of the press conference, he compared the "Munich Treaty" on the partition of Czechoslovakia with the partition of Poland under the "secret" protocol. Putin's words: "Yes, they say, there are secret protocols, partition of Poland... Poland itself took part in the partition of Czechoslovakia. I went to two districts - Tishinsky and there is also a second district. And that's all, and took them. That's all. The ultimatum was actually put forward. A whole group was created for aggression. It wasn’t necessary, because Czechoslovakia simply surrendered under this pressure and gave up these territories. But they did the same. "
    It is not necessary for him to say the word "section" at all. In fact (commentary by an archivist historian):
    In the secret protocol, the text of which was presented, nothing is written about the division of the territories of Poland. Generally. Here is a fragment: "In the event of a territorial and political reorganization of the regions that make up the Polish State, the boundaries of the spheres of interests of Germany and the USSR will approximately pass along the line of the rivers Narew, Vistula and Sanaa." I draw your attention: nothing is said here about the division of the territory of Poland, but only about the "border of spheres of interest." No more. There are a huge number of agreements on such boundaries of spheres of interest, including the Yalta-Potsdam agreements. And you can believe that they mean the division of territories as much as you like. But the protocol does not say this directly.
  13. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 20 December 2019 21: 07
    +1
    And these comparisons show that essentially nothing has changed - just like they were buy-sell, they essentially remained. Only a lot of ugly moments surfaced that explain a lot in their behavior laughing
  14. georggy
    georggy 20 December 2019 21: 08
    0
    He himself was also erected monuments during his lifetime more than once.
  15. Ivan7527
    Ivan7527 20 December 2019 21: 09
    +5
    Pshekov, with his own complex of speech, is high time to put in place and kick in the teeth so as not to yapping. Despite the fact that they are our relatives and when we were a "pagan" we lived together with them, but when they were akatalichili, the Vatican has been poisoning them on us since then (now the same garbage with the Outskirts and their Uniatism).
  16. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 20 December 2019 21: 16
    +6
    Yes. In Moscow, archives are cooler than in the Vatican, the Germans in Berlin collected from all over Europe, ours were taken to Moscow.
  17. Xenofont
    Xenofont 20 December 2019 21: 21
    +3
    It would have been Putin's time to start exposing Hitler's accomplices, and now the idea of ​​the USSR’s guilt has swept the masses: both a flock of jackal politicians and a herd of ruminant philistines throughout the geyropa.
  18. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 20 December 2019 21: 29
    +2
    That is why Poland is modernizing tanks and trying to keep the army at the "level". Once they were able to defeat the poorly trained Red Army and make fun of the prisoners of war, among whom were not only Russians. This case is probably still itching in Poland for some people.
  19. rocket757
    rocket757 20 December 2019 21: 34
    +4
    All the fuss of modern gay-European politicians is designed for a memorable herd!
    In response, you need to send specific reminders !!! To send that is what.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 21 December 2019 02: 12
      +2
      You are right, this is exactly what such mythologists as Rezun, Bunich, Akunin, Svanidze worked for, training in Russia and Europe for the forgetful herd ... the whole cohort of "liberal and advanced" ...
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 21 December 2019 02: 32
        0
        LeonidL, just one question. Do you live far from the city of Moscow?
        1. LeonidL
          LeonidL 21 December 2019 02: 33
          +1
          The question is wrong - in the age of the Internet, this is not important.
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 21 December 2019 04: 57
            -1
            If the Stalinist repressions did not go through your family, this does not mean that they were not.
            Near Moscow --- the famous Butovo. I have a park right in the city center in the Volga region --- in those days there were NKVD dachas --- now the sun is shining there and the kids are walking, consider the graves .. And in the nameless mass graves of the bones of the enemies of the people. suggested agree that he is an enemy of the people and a spy of the Polish and German intelligence. And this is in the 40th year !!! --- complete insanity .. Already three times wrote here ---- immediately at the beginning of the war my grandfather went downstairs dragging in enemy technologies, there was knowledge of the horse, but there were not enough teeth . They all knocked out. Granny then told ---- such a miserable, but competent and solid one, they brought a spinning plant to their site once. She goes with him
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 21 December 2019 05: 35
              0
              It’s about production, so it flew and sparkled that I ended up / military outbreak /. , and in Russian Alyosha. And in Korean too. Grandfather immediately after the war went there on a business trip, some things are stored with me from the North Koreans ...
              LeonidL (Leonid) I brought it all, Schaub you appreciated / come on you /. How many valuable personnel we lost before the war. My ancestor roasted an egg in the eighties and went on wandering. While mom and dad made a rocket, grandfather and grandson ... .................................................. .......... studied science.)))
            2. LeonidL
              LeonidL 21 December 2019 23: 14
              +1
              Think about what the "NKVD dachas" wrote - graves. Well, who will shoot next to the dachas? We must not forget the dead, but we don’t need to pedal, put pressure on summer cottages and graves. This only raises doubts about the sincerity.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 21 December 2019 05: 43
        +1
        Everyone will have something to remember ..... if they started to forget! For me it’s better not to forget it at all.
        Unfortunately, we have enough rulers of history .... but we already forget ourselves! This does not happen by order.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 21 December 2019 08: 35
          +1
          It’s easy to twist .... it just burst out of me. It’s clear that each apartment has its own cockroaches, but when it starts to ring the bell, then I’m into the Russian land, dear, slippery
          Though Kyle, even bite my soul.
          As in the Stalingrad steppe, shelves walked
          Sensed skates vodyanu ....
          And then it was morning
          Black smoke over the river
          It covered us in the morning
          Blue eyes...
          We were built quickly
          Everything is clean for Russia
          On Mamaev Kurgan
          Fate called us
          "Height 102"
          Vertical limit
          Black water
          White streams
          Hugged a soldier
          And bewitched.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 21 December 2019 09: 00
            +1
            Welcome soldier
            Each family has its own story, but it is not separable from our homeland!
            My Grandfathers ... one sat, the other guarded, defended the borders, chased the khuhuzes, the Basmachs, and then the "forest brothers"! For which he was awarded many awards, colonel of the KGB.
            They are both NATIVE to me, by the way, I have never seen a bad relationship between them.
            We must accept, understand, everything as it is.
            You can dig into the past, but then to the end, to the darkest / lightest ... in short, to the end. And then you can draw conclusions.
  20. rruvim
    rruvim 20 December 2019 21: 49
    -7
    Everyone who is more or less familiar with history knows about this so-called. Munich Conspiracy, including middle school students. Over the past 20 years, hundreds of articles have been written about this in various magazines and on newspaper pages, which has become an Axiom for all. And rightly so. But our president managed to present it like this in "talking with journalists" and in catching up with "piquant" details at a meeting with the heads of the CIS that it became NEWSLETTER, damn it, by some kind of revelation. And many were even inspired ...
  21. for
    for 20 December 2019 21: 51
    -7
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    "Revenge is a dish served cold."

    But not foul! 1
  22. rruvim
    rruvim 20 December 2019 22: 04
    -9
    A spicy example of the words of the Polish ambassador "If Germany does this, it will need to put up a monument to Hitler in Warsaw.", sounded from the lips of Putin, there is nothing at all. The Central Committee and Stalin personally in the period 1935-39 (at the height of our "friendship") received dozens of letters from leaders and labor collectives about the installation of busts to Furrer. About this, indirectly wrote in the 90s, but the topic itself is still classified. Although the historian Alexander Shirokorad in HBO No. 46 2019, as he could on 1,5 pages, described in detail the military-technical cooperation with Germany during this period.
    1. Alexey Kurilov_2
      Alexey Kurilov_2 20 December 2019 22: 36
      +1
      Shirokorad is the same nonsense as you
    2. maidan.izrailovich
      maidan.izrailovich 21 December 2019 04: 18
      +2
      This was indirectly written in the 90s, but the topic itself is still classified.

      No need to brazenly lie crying
      Under Yeltsin, the enemies of Russia had enough authority and time to turn any archive inside out.
      At least the KGB, at least the party, at least any other. And these freaks were digging dirt at the Russians there. And they did not find anything confirming their nonsense.
  23. Alexey Kurilov_2
    Alexey Kurilov_2 20 December 2019 22: 32
    +6
    Let them put a monument to Ivan Susanin in the center of Warsaw
  24. baku1999
    baku1999 20 December 2019 22: 59
    +2
    the polka did not disappear, just like it didn’t die ................... geyroppa hyena, it will be supposed to be the number one target !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
  25. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 20 December 2019 23: 11
    +1
    I'm afraid that history is now repeating itself as in the late thirties, only instead of Hitler, the Americans. And they are, moreover, all over the Baltics, and the Germans failed to do this in the initial stages
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    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 03: 06
      +3
      Quote: gnoieigw
      fought on the side of Nazi Germany.

      Where is it?
      Quote: gnoieigw
      How Jews were humiliated and killed in Russia

      And when?
      1. gnoieigw
        gnoieigw 21 December 2019 16: 37
        -3
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Where is it?

        And there, where the difference between the Second World War and the Great Patriotic War passes; only the Russians have two wars, all the others have one, and the role of Russians in it is known to all.

        Quote: Mordvin 3
        And when?

        This part of history is not taught in Russian schools, very unsightly. And for me, this is the story of my family.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 17: 00
          0
          More specifically. The fog was let in here. Are you embarrassed or something?
          1. kot28.ru
            kot28.ru 22 December 2019 13: 39
            0
            so who is it that confesses to you in spirit that his didi by caches were boasted? hi
  27. Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 21 December 2019 01: 42
    0
    Too much we played in the game of "uepropeynichiya" ... And there was only the grin of the beast. So it was, so it will be.
  28. LeonidL
    LeonidL 21 December 2019 02: 07
    +5
    The real instigators of the Second World War in Europe were the signatories and beneficiaries of the Munich Agreement - including Poland! Poland longed for a joint campaign against the USSR together with Hitler, as a full-fledged ally, but ... but Hitler considered the Poles to be the same "Untermensch" as all Slavs. Poland proudly refused Hitler the Danzig issue and the trans-Polish corridor to Prussia. This was the last grain of sand on the scales of the war. And the laments and laments of modern Polish pseudo-historians about the failed "joint" joy of the Victory of Hitler and Smgla in Moscow are nothing more than dreams of the unrealizable by definition. The parade was not performed, but the world massacre in Europe was launched. Let me emphasize - in Europe. really WWII began with a shootout on a bridge in China, with the Tonkin massacre. However, you can count the war in Europe from the Anschluss of Austria. The capture of one country by the armed forces of another, albeit without firing. Well, at worst - the capture of Czechoslovakia, turning it into a Protectorate. there was even the courageous resistance of the Czechoslovak lieutenant and his soldiers ... The only bright spot on the uniform of the Czechoslovak army.
  29. Klingon
    Klingon 21 December 2019 02: 31
    0
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Quote: seregin-s1
    Hot cools quickly

    "Revenge is a dish served cold." wink

    for sure! as the old Klingon proverb says)) am
  30. eklmn
    eklmn 21 December 2019 03: 55
    -4
    “... as in Poland they proposed to erect a monument to Hitler”
    The keyword was “offered,” but in fact it wasn’t. But the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact was “in fact”, and on this fact the USSR and Germany divided Europe, which created the prerequisite for the start of WWII.
    There is nothing to blame for the fact that someone somewhere wanted / didn’t want. The fact was / is / will be - the USSR helped Hitler to unleash a bloody war.
    1. maidan.izrailovich
      maidan.izrailovich 21 December 2019 04: 07
      +3
      ... the USSR helped Hitler unleash a bloody war ..

      No need to bullshit.
      Anschlusses, annexations and occupations began in Europe after the Munich agreement.
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мюнхенское_соглашение
      In which the USSR did not participate and which he condemned.
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      2. eklmn
        eklmn 21 December 2019 04: 15
        -5
        Do not pretend - the USSR occupied part of Poland until the age of 41, B 1939.
  31. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 21 December 2019 04: 01
    +1
    I do not believe pshekam. Each time they gain independence, they begin to sharpen their knives on the Russians.
    In a convenient case, Russia should get rid of such an entity on its border as Poland.
    Either again share it with the Germans, or let the Germans completely take her away.
  32. Tuzik
    Tuzik 21 December 2019 05: 37
    +1
    Before giving the Poles to Hitler, Hitler had to immediately agree on an exchange with Danzig. Maybe there would be no war. For any Germans and Poles to blame, their quarrel became a spark.
  33. Crazy
    Crazy 21 December 2019 08: 02
    +1
    Poland can still be recalled from history .. They have become forgetful in recent years ..
  34. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 21 December 2019 09: 11
    +1
    And how did they not hang the Manerheim board in our time? And where was it? 40 minutes of patience was enough to listen to this liar, then he spat and turned off the TV.
  35. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 21 December 2019 11: 14
    +3
    Poland seems to be considering the possibility of a "diplomatic reaction" to this statement.
    I wonder how they will respond to this undeniable historical fact?
    Well, it starts to rejoice that such statements are distributed at the official level, and not on Pushkov’s twitter. It is necessary to prick more and more painfully.
  36. Tests
    Tests 21 December 2019 13: 56
    +3
    Once again I will ask a question that has already been asked on the site: "Who and when decided that World War II began on September 01, 1939?"
    What happened on September 01, 1939? Joint attack of Germany and Slovakia on Poland. And that’s all ...
    How much, in%, of the total land area on planet Earth was the territory of countries covered by the war? How many% of the world's population lived in countries that fought by the evening of September 01, 1939?
    What is the GDP of countries that fought by the evening of September 01.09.1939, XNUMX, from the global?
    And - is it a World War ?!
    For a resident of New Zealand, something has changed in the morning of September 02.09.1939, XNUMX? And for a resident of Brazil? And for a resident of Mexico? What about Thailand? And what about Iceland? What about Portugal? Maybe, for example, for a resident of Angola or Mozambique, something has changed? Has Casablanca stopped making coffee in the morning? Was there a panic on the New York Stock Exchange?
    On September 03, 1939, the bloody aggressor Slovakia was stigmatized in the Parliament of Great Britain? ... And the mother of the killed Polish soldier was still killed by a German soldier or a soldier of Slovakia ... Or does someone think differently? ... About 770 sq. km from the territory of Poland, Slovakia cut off to itself as a result of the battles in September 1939, the population increased by 35 people ... Slovakia did not unleash world wars, it "returned its own", or still ...
    Why do not we consider March 1939 the beginning of World War II? There are two dates that are suitable - March 14 and 23, March 23 even more ... Ribbentrop has a direct bearing on these dates, but annoyance, neither Molotov nor Stalin can be tied up ... Something in Europe does not remember the Urbshis Pact - Ribbentrop ... Yes, and the Düsseldorf agreement on March 16, 1939 in Europe was forgotten, it seems that European politicians ate little in childhood, they seem to have iodine deficiency ... At that time, people fought and died in Europe, not in any there distant China or in Ethiopia. The borders of Europe were redrawn, but without the USSR ... What to remember.
    On March 18, 1939, the Polish Navy was on full alert ...
    And when did Britain start planning Operation Beijing? "Peking" started at about 13:29 on August 1939, XNUMX ... But here's the annoyance, neither V.M. Molotov, nor K.E. Voroshilov, nor I.V. Stalin, nor L.P. Beria, and not even N.G. Kuznetsov, there is no way to tie in operation "Beijing" .... So who and when started the Second World War ?!
  37. rruvim
    rruvim 21 December 2019 18: 29
    -1
    Another year will pass, and on the next blah-blah-blah with Putin after another nastiness, learned by polaks, the GDP will declassify data on the scale of production and plans to use chemical weapons in Poland in 1928-1939. Will declassify the performance characteristics and the number of Polish chemical shells and bombs, as well as plans for their use against the Soviet peoples. It is now classified. Probably for the next press conference of the Guarantor. And here is "a monument to Hitler in Warsaw". It's funny!
    1. Tuzik
      Tuzik 21 December 2019 19: 17
      -1
      "... the number of Polish chemical shells and aerial bombs ..."

      Did we have less of them? Therefore, it is probably not declassified to this day.
      Or didn’t I understand trolling?