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Polish experts outraged by Putin's speech on the Polish invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1938

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Polish experts outraged by Putin's speech on the Polish invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1938

In Poland, Vladimir Putin’s speech at a large press conference on the actual complicity of the Polish regime of Nazi Germany in 1938 was not ignored. Recall that Vladimir Putin promised to publish an article that will contain archival documents. The President of Russia recalled that the so-called Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was actually the last non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany - until that moment, a majority of European countries had signed a contract of this kind with Hitler.


Putin:

Stalin did not tarnish himself with direct contacts with Hitler. But the leaders of France and Britain met with Hitler. The same Poland, after the Munich agreement in 1938, sent its troops into two regions of Czechoslovakia, including Teszynska. History need to remember.

TVN24 cites a statement by Vladimir Putin that "the Soviet army entered Poland in 1939 after the Polish government lost control of its armed forces."

Polish analysts were indignant over such statements by the Russian president, although no sensible counterarguments were found. The fact is that in Poland it is not customary to recall the occupation of part of Czechoslovakia by the Polish army, and therefore, for many Polish inhabitants, the words of Vladimir Putin sounded like a bolt from the blue. In the Polish expert community, they tried to state that "there was no invasion as such," but there was "a response to the actions of Czech armed forces from 1919, when they invaded Silesia."

But by the same logic, it is quite possible to say that the actions of the Red Army in 1939 were a response to the actions of the Polish armed forces in 1919.

Polish newspaper Vedomosti (Wiadomosci):

The Russian president did not hold back bitter words about Poland. He stated that in 1938 Poland itself took part in the partition of Czechoslovakia itself.

Ordinary Polish citizens decided to evaluate the reaction of Polish experts. The discussion turned out to be stormy.

In the comments to the publication in the mentioned Polish newspaper:

It would be worth recalling that in 1919, Czech troops entered Silesia and Tesin, capturing our lands, which were mainly settled by Poles.

Unfortunately, Putin is right. We are not as saints as is commonly believed in us. We stuck a knife in the back of Czechoslovakia during the Nazi offensive. We did exactly the same as Russia on September 17!


According to the commentary given above, one can see the attitude in Poland towards the words of truth about the events of 1938-1939.

Russia is an empire of evil and lies. It was, is and will be unfortunately.

But actually he is right. And those who deny these words should read the real story, and not the one preached by our clergymen and PiSovtsy (from PiS - the party “Law and Justice”, - note IN).

Now in Poland, as you can see, a discussion broke out both about Putin’s words and about the historical events that he was talking about.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 20 December 2019 08: 57
    +43
    But by chance I switched from cartoons for my daughter to channel 1 at this very moment, and got a little bit of a hangover. In a good way.
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 20 December 2019 09: 03
      +71
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      But by chance I switched from cartoons for my daughter to channel 1 at this very moment, and got a little bit of a hangover. In a good way.

      If this continues to be the case, then the Poles and the 100 Red Army soldiers of Tukhachevsky tortured by them will be recalled.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 20 December 2019 09: 13
        +49
        Let them resent! You can’t argue against the Truth! Here is Chamberlain's “peaceful” plan, in which the Polyakov was simply used!
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 20 December 2019 09: 20
          +67
          Russophobia listens attentively to all Putin's press conferences.
          1. The comment was deleted.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 20 December 2019 13: 29
              +45
              Finally, an unpleasant truth was heard from Putin about Poland about its actually decisive role at the beginning of WWII in 1938!

              It would be nice with this, that Putin would also intelligibly reject the lie against the USSR in the Katyn case, fabricated by Gorbachev / Yakovlev. And so that the truth about Katyn was also heard by Poles in Poland.

              Myths of the Copper. Published: November 11, 2015.


              Victor Ilyukhin. The truth about Katyn. Published: February 3, 2014.
              1. siberalt
                siberalt 21 December 2019 11: 44
                0
                Putin will tell anyone about Katyn. His Decree number one is still unshakable.
          2. NF68
            NF68 20 December 2019 18: 12
            +2
            Quote: Thrall
            Russophobia listens attentively to all Putin's press conferences.


            Out of fear, why would something so very bad come?
          3. Awt
            Awt 21 December 2019 23: 57
            +2
            Verily. I’m not watching Putin at all. Not interested. I know that do not put a finger in his mouth. Will besiege any magazine ... source. But I watched Yeltsin constantly. I wanted to know what behavior he would be ashamed of me again.)
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 20 December 2019 16: 47
          -1
          Ba. Familiar all faces - Chamberlain. Daladier
        3. Edik
          Edik 20 December 2019 21: 12
          -8
          Quote: Hunter 2
          in which Poles simply used!

          For me, they used all of Europe! To conquer the USSR! And then they overtook! Why did Stalin climb into Europe? They would give them the cabbage soup, the USSR would be squeezed out of the USSR and let the United States and Britain deal with him! Well, this is purely mine, amateurish opinion.
          1. Nick
            Nick 20 December 2019 21: 26
            +15
            Quote: Edik
            why did Stalin climb into Europe? They would give them a cabbage soup, they squeezed them out of the USSR and let the United States and Britain deal with him there! Well, this is purely mine, an amateurish opinion.

            Stalin created a security buffer on the borders of the USSR, which did not allow Western aggressors to carry out a surprise attack but the Soviet Union.
            1. Edik
              Edik 20 December 2019 21: 37
              -5
              Quote: Nick
              Stalin created a security buffer on the borders of the USSR

              Thank you for the clarification!
              It was expensive for us, although they say you can’t buy health.
              Free Europe with the lives of our soldiers.
              1. Nick
                Nick 20 December 2019 21: 40
                +8
                Quote: Edik
                It was expensive for us, although they say you can’t buy health.
                Free Europe with the lives of our soldiers.

                We would have lost more lives by allowing the aggressor to our borders.
                1. Edik
                  Edik 20 December 2019 21: 47
                  -5
                  Quote: Nick
                  We would have lost more lives by allowing the aggressor to our borders.

                  Do you think their appetite would still remain? They were very badly battered and their resources were running out! They did not reach Baku.
                  1. Nick
                    Nick 20 December 2019 21: 49
                    +3
                    Quote: Edik
                    Quote: Nick
                    We would have lost more lives by allowing the aggressor to our borders.

                    Do you think their appetite would still remain? They were very badly battered and their resources were running out! They did not reach Baku.

                    Are you talking about?
                    1. Edik
                      Edik 20 December 2019 21: 55
                      -3
                      Quote: Nick
                      Are you talking about?

                      I’m talking about the blitzkrieg on which they ran out of steam, never reaching Baku oil.
                      1. Nick
                        Nick 20 December 2019 22: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Edik
                        Quote: Nick
                        Are you talking about?

                        I’m talking about the blitzkrieg on which they ran out of steam, never reaching Baku oil.

                        Clear. I’m talking about Yeryom, and you mean about Thomas to me.
                      2. Edik
                        Edik 20 December 2019 22: 19
                        -1
                        I’m talking about the fact that war is needed resources! I understood you, it was necessary strategically! hi
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 20 December 2019 23: 55
                        +6
                        Quote: Edik
                        I’m talking about the fact that war is needed resources! I understood you, it was necessary strategically! hi
                        -to comprehend and understand - for example, that in the year 44-45 Hitler could make peace with the Allies, get the necessary resources from them and re-go to the USSR is weak?
                        Operation Unthinkable was calculated for this very purpose ... well, maybe not Hitler, but some Guderian / Rommel .... could well have reconciled ...
                      4. Yuyuka
                        Yuyuka 21 December 2019 17: 16
                        0
                        It is necessary to publish more memoirs of the same Germans, otherwise some naively believe in the "liberation" of the USSR from Bolshevism, and no longer believe their own. In Keitel's memoirs there are very interesting things about the same "allies". So the declassification of these archives is very timely.
                  2. fortress
                    fortress 21 December 2019 14: 51
                    0
                    Have you heard anything about preparations for Operation Unthinkable?
          2. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 21 December 2019 12: 59
            +3
            Do you think they would not flock to Munich again? On the subject of how to resist the aggression of the USSR. You see, I went to the border again! Have you already been expelled from the League of Nations during the Finnish war? Was there a case? And Germany itself came out in 1933. There is nothing, they say, to do in this talking shop. Drang nach Osten is required. "Come to us, and we will sow together. We have a hungry longing in our eyes. We will get new lands, but we will get new ones ..." The question is, where? Yes, take the Untermensch.

            And the people would not understand such a maneuver. The overwhelming majority of Soviet citizens saw the end of the war only in Berlin. It was not an empty phrase. Very much here the Germans committed atrocities here. Personally, I only knew one of my grandmothers. The second died in the occupation. Before the war, she was the head of a kindergarten. "Like-mindedness in Russia," which Kozma Prutkov wrote about as a joke, in 1945, in general, arose on its own, and was not "introduced." Now and there is no such unity of the people that was then.
        4. Alexey Tyushin
          Alexey Tyushin 23 December 2019 03: 13
          0
          Do they need the truth?
      2. svp67
        svp67 20 December 2019 12: 16
        +11
        Quote: Bulls.
        If this continues to be the case, then the Poles and the 100 Red Army soldiers of Tukhachevsky tortured by them will be recalled.

        And only this? Unfortunately, but the list of claims is more extensive.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 20 December 2019 16: 39
          +11
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Bulls.
          If this continues to be the case, then the Poles and the 100 Red Army soldiers of Tukhachevsky tortured by them will be recalled.
          And only this? Unfortunately, but the list of claims is more extensive.

          That's right!
          The current Polish nationalist revanchists in the Polish leadership of post-Soviet liberal Poland have long had time to politically put Russia in place.

          Evgeny Spitsyn. "The Poles Must Pray for Stalin" Published: 7 Jul. 2017
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 20 December 2019 13: 54
        +21
        Quote: Bulls.

        If this continues to be the case, then the Poles and the 100 Red Army soldiers of Tukhachevsky tortured by them will be recalled.

        Moreover, one cannot even tell a lie to the president.
        = TVN24 cites a statement by Vladimir Putin that "the Soviet army entered Poland in 1939 after the Polish government lost control of its armed forces." =
        We did not enter the territory of Poland. We returned our territory that had been captured by Poland in 1920. We have reached the internationally recognized border called the "Curzon Line"
        And the fact that the Poles imagined there was their problem. Let no one else grab and be happy.
        1. nikon7717
          nikon7717 21 December 2019 00: 14
          +2
          After the war, they received from Stalin and part of eastern Prussia, this is Danzig, present Gdansk, Trimyasto. And this territory could today be completely part of the Russian Federation.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 21 December 2019 09: 34
            0
            So Stalin gave them these territories, thinking that the Poles are allies and PEOPLE ...
            It turns out that he was mistaken.
      4. IL-18
        IL-18 20 December 2019 19: 45
        +3
        And captured after 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX. Polish prisoners of war among the Wehrmacht and VAFENSS on the Soviet-Geomanian front. There were more of them than, for example, officially fought Italians.
      5. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 20 December 2019 23: 37
        +2
        If Putin did not remember about 1000000 Red Army men at a meeting with the leaders of the CIS republics, then in vain among them were representatives of many nationalities, even the Chinese.
      6. Dmitry Makarov
        Dmitry Makarov 21 December 2019 01: 57
        +1
        By the way, about a hundred thousand Tukhachevsky-
        And who knows that the "Army of Tukhachevsky" in Poland was met by the "Polish Foreign Legion" - and the Poles there, in fact, had a few percent. The bulk of the Entente strike formations, armed with the most modern military equipment, tanks, artillery, machine guns. And the air cover on Airplanes was carried out by the Americans, on the latest biplane.
        the Red Army simply had no chance of resisting the Force, which had destroyed Kaiser Germany in positional battles.
        But the Poles, alas, have the most distant relation to this, only territorially.
        1. 16329
          16329 21 December 2019 16: 07
          -1
          It’s not worth it so sharply, there was support from France, but not so serious as to speak of “a few percent of the Poles,” and the Allies did not destroy the Kaiser army, Germany was defeated by the revolution, above all, and the fall of the empire.
          Allies throughout the war did not even enter German territory
          And aviation and armored vehicles were also used by the Reds in the Polish campaign.
          The defeat in the Soviet-Polish war was caused by the errors of the command of the western front (personally Tukhachevsky), underestimation of the enemy’s resistance and uncoordinated actions of the western and southwestern fronts, and most importantly, political intrigues by conflicts in the military and political leadership of the Red
          And of course, as it’s fashionable now, the Poles like to shout about the high-tech reason for the Polish victory — the disclosure of primitive red codes by “brilliant” Poles (similar to the British who won the war because of the disclosure of the encryption principle of Enigma machine)
          .
      7. Izzy Gubinstein
        Izzy Gubinstein 21 December 2019 10: 27
        0
        Jedi remembered the Psheks as the Pilsudski cajol in 1918, when the Pilsud did not let Tgotsky’s army go to Germany and divested the Wehrmacht with the hands of Wehrmacht from the general government in 1939
    2. Finches
      Finches 20 December 2019 09: 13
      +46
      Poland is the hyena of Europe! And I didn’t come up with this, but Winston Churchill! And again they mow down under the fools ... Joseph Vissarionovich did everything right! To these kids just give a finger - they’re not just gnawing at the elbow, at the ankle, and then they will start making up a victim out of themselves!
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 20 December 2019 11: 01
        +14
        Quote: Finches
        Poland is the hyena of Europe! And I didn’t come up with this, but Winston Churchill! And again they mow down under the fools ... Joseph Vissarionovich did everything right! To these kids just give a finger - they’re not just gnawing at the elbow, at the ankle, and then they will start making up a victim out of themselves!

        That's for sure ! Didn’t like that they remembered the story? Did they remember the Red Army entering Poland in 1939? And how many times did they invade the territory of Russia in Pre-Peter's times ?! What were they looking for here then ?!
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 20 December 2019 11: 09
          -33
          Quote: Starover_Z
          And how many times have they invaded the territory of Russia

          As many Russians invaded Poland from the time of the Polish campaign of Vladimir Svyatoslavovich in 981 to the Polish campaign in 1939
          1. Finches
            Finches 20 December 2019 12: 19
            +26
            Yes, most of the history of Poland was part of the Russian Empire, and therefore we did not invade there - we only sometimes brought in constitutional order! And in 1939 - it was an answer for 1921, and in general the Poles owe us the grave of life for the created self-awareness!
            1. kupitman
              kupitman 20 December 2019 13: 45
              +8
              It was not an answer, but restoration of status through Curzon
              1. Finches
                Finches 20 December 2019 13: 48
                +2
                These are diplomatic nuances!
              2. Doliva63
                Doliva63 20 December 2019 17: 16
                +2
                Quote: kupitman
                It was not an answer, but restoration of status through Curzon

                First of all, it was an increase in the buffer zone in case of a German invasion. The historical axiom.
            2. Nick
              Nick 20 December 2019 21: 33
              +1
              Quote: Finches
              Yes, most of the history of Poland was part of the Russian Empire, and therefore we did not invade there - we only sometimes brought in constitutional order! And in 1939 - it was an answer for 1921, and in general the Poles owe us the grave of life for the created self-awareness!

              It is true in general, only one amendment, in the Russian Empire there was no Constitution, there was a code of laws of the Republic of Ingushetia. Therefore, in Poland we put in order.
          2. Rustic i ......
            Rustic i ...... 20 December 2019 16: 22
            +5
            In previous wars around Poland, all the retreating and advancing armies were trampled on and no one bothered that there was any kind of Poland, it simply served as a rug in front of the doors. In a general fire, no one rescues this rug; it inevitably burns out.
          3. fortress
            fortress 21 December 2019 15: 18
            0
            And what was Poland in the 10th century?
      2. Berber
        Berber 20 December 2019 11: 13
        +16
        Joseph Vissarionovich gave them, at the end of the war, a significant part of Germany. But they dogs don't remember that. I am sure that among the Poles there are also good people, but as a nation they cause disgust.
        In this we are strong - Russians, we are able to look at history objectively and admit our mistakes. And we are ironic over ourselves.
        1. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 20 December 2019 12: 34
          +14
          Our opponents are always confused to hurt Russia by appealing to moral issues. Like, how is it that they took advantage of the weakness and occupied! repent - but bring in some money and a stream of crocodile tears and snot flows. In response, I would not refer to the section of Czechoslovakia, because it looks like "they themselves are." I would simply state the indisputable fact that in the thirties Poland was one of the most hostile states to the USSR - a convinced aggressor. And if so, then any action against her is legal. After all, no one is distressed by the sufferings of a slain snake.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 21 December 2019 10: 05
            0
            But what kind of stability in behavior :: the 17th century is the sole anti-Russian aggressor and conqueror, the 18th century - a military coup against the Prussian authorities began with the arrest of Russians in Warsaw, the 19th century - the uprising against the Russian authorities, the 20th century - the collective anti-Russian (Entente) aggressor and conqueror , a collective participant in the division of the world, the 21st century is the most active Russophobe in the world.
            But, after all, if the mess begins, it is Poland that will be first trampled to the hardness of the parade ground
      3. Strashila
        Strashila 20 December 2019 12: 32
        +16

        time goes by and nothing changes.
        1. Eug
          Eug 20 December 2019 16: 26
          +5
          Poland and France put a hefty pig on, in the most acute period of the Anschluss of Austria by presenting territorial claims to Lithuania, and only the tough position of the USSR prevented the Polish aggression. It is completely unclear why this is being hushed up now. Frenchies were just crazy about this behavior of the allies ...
    3. Nasrat
      Nasrat 20 December 2019 09: 44
      -23
      Under pressure from public opinion, a person is forced to write so many words ...
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      But by chance I switched from cartoons for my daughter to channel 1 at this very moment ...
      laughing wink


      Volodka accidentally (!) Switched to the first channel to accidentally listen to Volodka ... And all who basically did not watch Volodka accidentally switched to listen to him! Otherwise, how can they give comments today ??? wassat

      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 20 December 2019 09: 48
        +10
        But, not Volodka, but Vovan! I didn't call you Lamp! And yes, by chance, these are the features of "interactive TV" from TTK
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 20 December 2019 09: 50
          0
          Yes, call at least an iron .... and ... I did not minus .. if that ... I do not plan ..
          I assure you, there are so many randomly switched to listen to the hated Putin !!!! Wow! It’s like with those who do not vote for Putin .... wassat
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 20 December 2019 09: 53
            +2
            Oh well, bother about such nonsense, dear Iron, I will not! laughing
          2. Berber
            Berber 20 December 2019 13: 53
            +4
            I do not make an icon out of him, but I am for the "hated" Putin. This opinion, why do you think that it should be hidden?
    4. SSR
      SSR 20 December 2019 10: 21
      +8
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      But by chance I switched from cartoons for my daughter to channel 1 at this very moment, and got a little bit of a hangover. In a good way.

      I am now waiting for the publication of the promised. It's time to go for a walk in a European muzzle with a rag.
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 20 December 2019 11: 16
      -7
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      But by chance I switched from cartoons for my daughter to channel 1 at this very moment, and got a little bit of a hangover. In a good way.

      Putin is a politician, and if he had previously spoken about the pact - on August 31, 2009 the following:
      "Without a doubt, can condemn with good reason the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, concluded in August 1939. But a year earlier, France and England signed the famous treaty with Hitler in Munich, destroying all hopes of creating a united front to fight fascism, then already in 2014 he said- "
      The meaning of ensuring the security of the Soviet Union in this pact was. This is the first, ”Putin said, adding that he shares the opinion of Russian Minister of Culture Vladimir Medinsky on this issue.

      “Now the second - I’ll remind you that after the signing of the relevant Munich agreement, Poland itself took steps to annex part of Czech territory. It so happened that after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and the partition of Poland, she herself was a victim of the policy that she tried to pursue in Europe, ”said the President of the Russian Federation.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 20 December 2019 14: 19
        +4
        The Poles' reaction to Putin's phrase is probably the only useful "exhaust" from his conference ...
    6. boriz
      boriz 20 December 2019 14: 27
      +5
      In fact, this is weak. It is necessary to recall the behavior of the Psheks in 1919 - 20.
      They took advantage of the temporary weakness of the neighbors and chopped off what they had time for.
      Germany has a part of Silesia.
      Soviet Russia has Western Ukraine and Western Belarus.
      Lithuania has Vilnius (now Vilnius) and the Vilnius region.
      By the beginning of WWII, the Psheks had territorial conflicts with all neighbors with whom they had a somewhat extended border. More Czechoslovakia was added.
      And when they were once again brushed off the political map, they were terribly offended: "Are we for sho?"
      And in the liquidation of Poland, besides Germany and the USSR, the newly formed Slovakia participated with particular pleasure.
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 20 December 2019 09: 00
    +16
    The last of the "Hyenas of Europe" are horny!
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 20 December 2019 09: 14
      +12
      Quote: andrewkor
      The last of the "Hyenas of Europe" got excited

      So they are hyenas now. Only the teeth fell out, and on the skin of bald spots ...
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 20 December 2019 13: 24
        +7
        Yes, what hyenas ... Dogs are lousy. In 1934 they chose Hitler as the master, after 1945, with a gritty toothache, but they put up with the Soviet master (even the USSR troops were not in Poland, as they believed in their loyalty), and then - immediately into the arms of the United States. Here they really play slavishly in full, they are ready to put life for American interests.
        Kinderless dogs, and there are rootless dogs.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 20 December 2019 13: 31
          +3
          Quote: Oo sarcasm
          even the USSR troops in Poland were not, as they believed in their loyalty)

          There were. There were Soviet troops. My father’s colleague served there ...
        2. andrewkor
          andrewkor 20 December 2019 13: 52
          +7
          For your information, Sarkazmi: GSVG-GDR, Northern Group of Forces - Poland, Central Group of Forces - Czechoslovakia, Southern Group - Hungary.
  3. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 20 December 2019 09: 00
    +12
    Poland- always, “outraged,” and always -, “a passing yard,” of world history.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 20 December 2019 10: 41
      +1
      Therefore, everyone, like a rug, tries to wipe his feet about her. lol
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 20 December 2019 12: 21
      -1
      Honorable, people are Poles. The gentry past does not let them go ... ... But cheerful and brave ...
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 20 December 2019 20: 38
        +2
        The people themselves are not bad, but the elites and other leaders were often ... The same Kosciuszko, a lot of people died, went to Siberia (there are churches in large cities there), and dumped them to America. Rydz-Smigly gave the order in 1939 to "save yourself as you can" almost crossing the border with Romania. And only in the books of Sinkevich were there valiant knights at the head of the brave Polish subjects. Although, there are quite good subjects there. There are people who are trying to defend the memory of the soldiers of the Soviet Army who died, liberating their country.
  4. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 20 December 2019 09: 02
    +21
    True eyes hurts!
    In general, the national Polish idea is based on the fact that Poland is undeservedly offended by history, that it would rule the world - but somehow it did not grow together ... lol
    1. Proton
      Proton 20 December 2019 09: 40
      +6
      This is because the Poles always had eyes larger than the stomach. wassat
    2. den3080
      den3080 20 December 2019 11: 35
      +7
      Quote: Valery Valery
      True eyes hurts!
      In general, the national Polish idea is based on the fact that Poland is undeservedly offended by history, that it would rule the world - but somehow it did not grow together ... lol

      Poland and Ukraine have very similar “doctrines” or how it is ... national ideas (ideologies).
      Offended at all, they are bullied, all owe to them and especially hate the Russians.
      Even the hymns are similar: Even Poland didn’t get angry ... and Ukraine didn’t die.
      But the Poles have at least some historicity in the anthem, the “Dombrowski march,” which, wherever it did not fight against both Russia and France. Finished Russian career! General of the cavalry, the rank received from Alexander I.
      And the brothers simply slept something a la, only sadly gloomy, unlike the march of Dombrowski, and they drink ... periodically.
      1. Nikolai
        Nikolai 20 December 2019 18: 24
        +2
        Recently, there has been a feeling and awareness that Ukraine (I write with a small letter) no longer exists. There was only no man's land and wild rabble on it. And you?
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 21 December 2019 10: 18
      +1
      Rule the world?
      She wanted something, but she never could: all her conquests were short-lived, and victories were held only with bayonets.
      And EVERY time Russia stood in her way ... lol
  5. Squelcher
    Squelcher 20 December 2019 09: 04
    +13
    "Infallible" Europe periodically needs to be reminded, and to dunk their nose and their own puddles, so that they do not forget who saved them historically from the monsters they generated.
    1. den3080
      den3080 20 December 2019 11: 49
      +8
      Quote: Squelcher
      "Infallible" Europe periodically needs to be reminded, and to dunk their nose and their own puddles, so that they do not forget who saved them historically from the monsters they generated.

      Yes, it’s just more often to show newsreels, documentary shots: Chamberlain, Daladier meet with Hitler and the rest of those years, which they stick now, trying to rewrite history. And dates to indicate.

      Here they are handsome :)) September 30, 1938.
      Great Britain and Germany signed a non-aggression declaration.
      France a little later, but in the same year.
      They handed over to Czechoslovakia to Hitler, and the Poles fussed over instantly - they sent troops into Teshin, etc. (not zilya, they bit it like that :)) is it familiar?)
      1. Squelcher
        Squelcher 20 December 2019 12: 41
        +9
        Another example of the "sinlessness and civilization" of Europe, which is so fond of reproaching Russia for its savagery:
        British Major General Horatio Gordon Robley and his "collection"
        1. user1212
          user1212 22 December 2019 06: 36
          0
          Quote: Squelcher
          British Major General Horatio Gordon Robley

          He is of course a British major general, and he certainly can’t count war crimes there, but he specifically purchased this collection from New Zealand residents. Aborigines exchanged tattooed heads of dead enemies (Mokokai, acquired by Europeans for private collections and museums) for firearms, for conducting tribal conflicts
  6. Alex013
    Alex013 20 December 2019 09: 04
    +20
    "Unfortunately, Putin is right. We are not as saints as we think. We stuck a knife in the back of Czechoslovakia during the Nazi offensive. We did exactly the same as Russia on September 17!"

    "But in general, he is right. And those who deny these words should read the real story, and not the one preached by our priests and PiSovtsy (from PiS - the Law and Justice party, - VO note). "

    Probably in Poland there are still adequate people ...
    1. Ravil_Asnafovich
      Ravil_Asnafovich 20 December 2019 09: 31
      +9
      Probably in Poland there are nevertheless adequate people ..., there are, and those who saw with their own eyes what they were doing "benefited", and who put out the furnaces of the death camps, but oh how difficult it is for them now, not only in Poland, but also in Baltics, Ukraine.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 20 December 2019 10: 44
        +1
        It is politicians in Poland who spawn, and the people have long sobered up. At least, anti-Russian demonstrations are not satisfied, like some even our former union republics.
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  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 December 2019 09: 05
    +18
    I do not understand why these tears? Learn the story ... take stock and move on. Based on the findings. Musal have been the same for 30 years. Well, he introduced the troops of the USSR to Poland! So the Soviet Union needed it for its security. Let me remind you that since Poland itself was part of the Russian Empire, only 39 years passed in 22.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 20 December 2019 09: 19
      +15
      I do not understand why these tears?


      And besides, brother, now in the West there is an information war against Russia and they want to present us as the only source of evil on the planet, equate communism with fascism (oligarchs in the West are afraid of communism like devils of holy water), and they consider themselves simply victims of the "Soviet regime ".

      If it were not for the mass executions of Jews, now Europe and all Westerners in Russia and the former Soviet republics would pray for Hitler, as a fighter against communism and a European unifier who brought only peace, prosperity and Bavarian beer to the nations for their future children.

      Putin is just fine, he gave them a reason to start learning history.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 20 December 2019 17: 34
        +1
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        I do not understand why these tears?


        And besides, brother, now in the West there is an information war against Russia and they want to present us as the only source of evil on the planet, equate communism with fascism (oligarchs in the West are afraid of communism like devils of holy water), and they consider themselves simply victims of the "Soviet regime ".

        If it were not for the mass executions of Jews, now Europe and all Westerners in Russia and the former Soviet republics would pray for Hitler, as a fighter against communism and a European unifier who brought only peace, prosperity and Bavarian beer to the nations for their future children.

        Putin is just fine, he gave them a reason to start learning history.

        Putin defends the USSR? It’s funny. The capitalists of the whole planet (and Putin is not only the capitalist himself, but also the representative in the power of the interests of other capitalists) will always be against the USSR. And Putin is one of them. It’s just that it’s so beneficial for him to speak now. When it was not profitable, he did not say that. And the Mausoleum is still draped in parades, haven't you noticed?
  9. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 20 December 2019 09: 06
    +22
    The Poles are very upset that Adolf Aloizovich did not take them into allies ... and judging by the actions of Poland in the late 30s, they simply counted on it very much ... including a joint campaign against the Soviets ... and even the assignment of part land of Lithuania (such as the revival of the great Poland) and got what they got ...
    Well, if they are so outraged by the advice ... let Prussia be returned to Germany))) ... so for the historical truth
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 20 December 2019 12: 06
      0
      This mongrel in the union was not worthy, they just used it, as always.
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 20 December 2019 12: 19
      0
      Quote: silberwolf88
      Well, if they are so outraged by the advice ... let Prussia be returned to Germany))) ... so for the historical truth

      Why Germany? Let them return to us if they do not want to admit historical facts, the Kaliningrad region will be bigger and partially stand exactly between Germany and Poland. smile
  10. DenZ
    DenZ 20 December 2019 09: 06
    +4
    Well, let’s argue even after Putin’s words. If they argue, then opinions are heterogeneous. In a dispute, sometimes truth is born.
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    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 20 December 2019 09: 55
      +3
      Quote: nikolai.kolya
      something grandfather is already tired .... at least staying alert

      But your young, but already tired. laughing
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        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 20 December 2019 10: 25
          0
          Quote: nikolai.kolya
          Yes, young people are now more interesting .... us old people laughing
          and grandfather Vova from year to year more boring ... negative

          Well, you are up to him, as to the moon. "Merry" You are our ...
          1. Alexey Kurilov_2
            Alexey Kurilov_2 20 December 2019 11: 04
            -4
            let Zelensky or Petrosyan amuse you
            1. Andrey Chistyakov
              Andrey Chistyakov 20 December 2019 11: 19
              -2
              Quote: Alexey Kurilov_2
              let Zelensky or Petrosyan amuse you

              Poke to others. I do not need.
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            1. Andrey Chistyakov
              Andrey Chistyakov 20 December 2019 13: 52
              -1
              Quote: nikolai.kolya
              not only that, I think he even deserves to lie down next to Lenin - when the time comes.
              sorry no one thought to ask, he's a "historical" personality

              You would think more about yourself ...
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                1. Andrey Chistyakov
                  Andrey Chistyakov 20 December 2019 14: 01
                  -2
                  Quote: nikolai.kolya
                  it does not interfere....
                  and my grandfather earned it .... you can in kimano or ice skating, although these are foreign notions, but patriotic in bast shoes ....

                  Somehow they will decide without you. "Young" You are our ...
                  "Nourishing the hopes of young men"
                  Is it about you?
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                    1. Andrey Chistyakov
                      Andrey Chistyakov 20 December 2019 14: 05
                      -2
                      Quote: nikolai.kolya
                      do you think? I'd use a referendum (oh, and a word, not ours for sure) - in bast shoes or kimano ....

                      Do you know other words? Or jammed?
                      1. nikolai.kolya
                        nikolai.kolya 20 December 2019 14: 09
                        -2
                        Your opinion is interesting ....
                        "Nourishing the hopes of young men"
                        hope is from the field of psychology, philosophy, poetry ... I believe in biology! fellow
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  12. faterdom
    faterdom 20 December 2019 09: 10
    +8
    And where are their liberals? It is urgent to repent! And pay! And again repent!
  13. rusich
    rusich 20 December 2019 09: 10
    +8
    Do not like it when Pshek muzzle in .... but dipped
  14. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 20 December 2019 09: 11
    +4
    This is good, now let the Poles at least study history))).
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 20 December 2019 11: 04
      +2
      It’s good, now let the Poles at least study history) ,,
      for starters, it is necessary that we take up history, and not ,, galoshes ,,.
  15. 1536
    1536 20 December 2019 09: 16
    +1
    Now the Americans have an “iron” reason to deploy their military bases in Poland. After all, it is necessary to save Europe from Polish aggression in the event of the next partition of a country.
  16. K-50
    K-50 20 December 2019 09: 22
    +4
    Polish analysts were outraged

    True eye pricks. yes lol
  17. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 20 December 2019 09: 23
    +3
    Silesia most of its history belonged to the Czech Republic and Prussia, Poland 9-10 century. Silesians do not consider themselves Poles, they say that they are more related to the Slavic Slavs and Czechs.
  18. Greyhound famously
    Greyhound famously 20 December 2019 09: 26
    +12
    He regretted also the president of the Poles. If I wanted to, I could remind you of Poland’s occupation of part of Lithuania (Vilnius region - about 30% of the territory of Lithuania) and that it was with the support of Hitler that this situation was finally legitimized with the help of an ultimatum on the complete occupation of Lithuania in March 1938. And I would remind for one thing about the fact that Poland refused to let in Soviet troops through its territory, which were ready to defend Czechoslovakia from Hitler.
    So it was not without sin that the panov were.
    1. Sitearvi
      Sitearvi 20 December 2019 10: 28
      -1
      If the president would tell the whole truth about Poland, how they put their king to us and many other things, he would not have had a whole day, and since he showed them in which direction to move, let them rejoice.
  19. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 20 December 2019 09: 26
    +3
    Now they will begin to whine, stomp their feet, jerk their hands, but history does not know the subjunctive verb, and you won’t erase words from the song. Let them pray that Czechoslovakia did not make a claim, the USSR tried on.
  20. Eug
    Eug 20 December 2019 09: 30
    +4
    And where in Putin’s words is a lie? Everything is clearly in accordance with historical facts, but Polish propagandons are not to their liking - learn mat.chast, panov ...
  21. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 December 2019 09: 34
    +7
    Polish analysts were outraged
    The shrill illiteracy was indignant at the fact that she was poked in her face with illiteracy. More often it is necessary to dip Russophobes from Western countries into their own feces.
  22. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 20 December 2019 09: 42
    -4
    The fact that the Western "partners" have stained themselves by communicating with Hitler and the fact that they are revolting fascism in Europe today does not prevent our pragmatic investors from investing in their economies, supplying resources at a cheap price.
    1. Nikolai
      Nikolai 20 December 2019 18: 11
      0
      The process is mutual, as in the 39th.
  23. rocket757
    rocket757 20 December 2019 09: 43
    +4
    She’s such a story, DAMA, reminiscent and do not need to anger her! And then after all, as he flies in the head with a butt.
    Most geyropeyskie full of their skeletons in the graphs!
  24. Aliken
    Aliken 20 December 2019 09: 44
    +4
    Putin stepped on the tail of the Poles, more often it needs to be done harder. To publish everything that is possible about the Polish vile nature, otherwise they imagined themselves to be what.
  25. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 20 December 2019 09: 46
    0
    True, no matter how uncomfortable or bitter it is, the truth remains. And the denial of what really happened is ordinary stupidity
  26. Prisoner
    Prisoner 20 December 2019 09: 49
    +2
    The Psheks fussed. They know that the stigma, and which stigma in the cannon, is all about scurrying around. Their whole story is the story of an unsuccessful player! They relied on the kind of strong one, that Napoleon take that Hitler and raked at most do not spoil. Think people don’t know the story?
  27. Pavel57
    Pavel57 20 December 2019 09: 51
    +1
    When will Putin decide to reconsider Katyn?
    1. Alexey Kurilov_2
      Alexey Kurilov_2 20 December 2019 11: 00
      +3
      then when you learn the sign where you need to put
  28. flint
    flint 20 December 2019 10: 24
    +3
    Oh how the Pshek squealed! For me it was given that it was necessary to raise the question of transferring the start date of 2MB from the 39th to the 38th. And announce the Poles the same instigators of her as Hitler. If we rewrite history as it should be in truth. It is clear that the Poles used to be allies and this issue was not raised. Well, now the masks have been reset and the Poles have long needed to dunk their noses in shit.
  29. Altona
    Altona 20 December 2019 10: 25
    +7

    The Polish armed forces, which include 7TR tanks, occupy the Czech city of Teszyn (Cieszyn). October 1938

    Source: https://audiovis.nac.gov.pl/obraz/76739/4d44d40d5efd4d0af841c7363f652e9c/. Photo taken from the resource "Military Album".

    In this case, Vladimir Vladimirovich is right. The Poles, together with the Germans, Derban Czechoslovakia in 1938.
    1. Bomb
      Bomb 20 December 2019 10: 38
      0
      Occupy the city with flowers on the armor =). Then it’s more logical to say they don’t occupy, but go by the front column.
      1. Altona
        Altona 20 December 2019 11: 08
        +2
        Quote: Bomb
        Occupy the city with flowers on the armor =).

        ---------------------------
        In this case, your words do not even look like a banter. Go to the resource indicated by me, there is a photo there as the Polish population of the Tieszyn region welcomes the columns of Polish troops.
      2. Rustic i ......
        Rustic i ...... 20 December 2019 16: 38
        +3
        To throw a few bouquets of flowers on a passing tank, it is not necessary that all the inhabitants of the city participate. Just a few people who love the Poles.
  30. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 December 2019 10: 39
    +3
    The same Poland, after the Munich agreement in 1938, entered its troops in two regions of Czechoslovakia, including Teszynska. History needs to be remembered.
    Oh, how Poland does not like such words, but "you cannot throw out words from a song." And there are still unpleasant moments for Poland that happened.
    On May 3, 1939, during a large parade of Polish troops held during the Polish National Day, the excited people shouted to the troops: “To Gdansk!” and “Go to Berlin!”
    Summer of 1939: Marshal Ridz-Smigli: “Poland wants a war with Germany, and Germany cannot escape it, even if she wants to.”
    In 1938, the Poles killed 8 German civilians in Poland, ripped up their bellies, and stuffed them with earth. Women, children, pastors. And in this form they were given to the Germans. This was the beginning of World War II.September 1, 1939, midnight: Polish radio announced: “Poland launched a victorious attack on Berlin and will be there by the weekend. The Germans are randomly retreating all along the front. ”
    But they only shouted like that, and by this time Hitler had foreknowled them. And the blame for the beginning of WWII fell on Germany.
    1. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 20 December 2019 11: 47
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      In 1938, the Poles killed 8 German civilians in Poland, ripped up their bellies, and stuffed them with earth. Women, children, pastors. And in this form they were given to the Germans.
      The writings are clearly from Nazi admirers https://avn-msk.livejournal.com/2078912.html. Evil Poles and Jews, good Germans with Hitler
  31. beeper
    beeper 20 December 2019 10: 43
    +5
    Well done, Vladimir Vladimirovich! good It turned out how, in the cartoon about the Golden Fleece, heroically threw a stone into the thick of the dragon's sprouted teeth, now let the evil Polish lords colobrod in their field, information!
    Russophobic Polish authorities, in favor of Washington's anti-Russian policy, are trying in every possible way to consolidate in the minds of the "world community" the alleged aggression of the USSR against Poland!
    Even sado-masochistic (though, what is there to be surprised if, in frenzied Russophobia, the gentry regularly digs up the remains of its unfortunate preza Kachki and his retinue ?! request ) used for this a magnificent celebration of their national tragedy, the "anniversary" of the beginning of Hitler's attack on Poland, with an underlined "non-invitation" to it was the president of Russia!

    Polish commentators write about "Russia (and not the USSR, why is it that the Poles are" cunningly bypassing "even the former Ukrainian SSR and BSSR, the contiguous present-day Ukraine and Belarus, which included the" Polish "territories of" Kres Vskudnykh "??!)", Allegedly stuck Warsaw "stab in the back" on September 17, 1939, when the entire Polish elite capitulated for a long time with their feet, in front of a pig's screech, they fled the country, betraying their troops and their population in the bud ?!

    It was during the socialist times of the Warsaw Pact and the CMEA that tolerant "Kremlin elders" did not accept to remind their allies of their unseemly mean "deeds" before and during the war!
    The same "well-known European hyena" -Poland was officially presented as a "victim of Hitler" side (and not a Hitlerite ally punished by the Reichsfuehrer only for their exorbitant territorial appetites and political ambitions, but then reformed and put more than a million Polish soldiers in the ranks of the German Wehrmacht , not counting the auxiliary police and guard-servants of many Nazi concentration camps on Polish territory, which were used in the war against our Soviet Union!)!

    This full complementary interpretation of history, beneficial to the Polish authorities, allowed Warsaw to continue to act as a kind of "sufferer", demand from Germany (and now from Russia ??!) "Compensation" and deny the massive genocide of Jews, and any population of non-Polish nationality, on Polish territory During the Second World War!

    We Russians have good sayings winked
    "Don't be dashing while it is quiet!" and "Whoever remembers the old will have an eye out, and whoever forgets, two!"

    Regular Russophobic "dances on the bones" and a kind of "selective memory", in their amerocholuzhnost "jumping out of their cowards", the Polish authorities and their hangers-on should have led to similar "unpleasant" reminders "on the merits of the subject of discussion" and this is just the beginning - in Warsaw hundreds of thousands of "skeletons in the closet" that the Polish authorities "modestly forgot" about and no gu-gu ... no regret and no repentance ?!

    So I thought that the Russian President, like me, does not forget either good or evil, and will find an opportunity to poke the "Eurogienic" Warsaw with a sopatka in its own stinking "guano", especially after the odious anti-Russian Demarch "celebrations of September 1, 2019"!
    Bravo, Vladimir Vladimirovich, keep it up! good
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 20 December 2019 17: 57
      +3
      Here is a comment from the category plus plus ..... good Thank you hi
      1. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 20 December 2019 17: 59
        -1
        Quote: VadimLives
        Here is a comment from the category plus plus ..... good Thank you hi

        I am joining! hi
        1. beeper
          beeper 21 December 2019 01: 23
          +1
          hi Thank you for your appreciation, comrades!
          Serving the Soviet Union! soldier
  32. Alexey Kurilov_2
    Alexey Kurilov_2 20 December 2019 10: 55
    +2
    In-he cho! The invasion of Czechoslovakia did not outrage them. They were offended by the words about it. And the Czechs, as usual, are kept quiet in a rag
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 20 December 2019 11: 37
      +1
      Czechs can only be offended for 68 years.
      1. Nikolai
        Nikolai 20 December 2019 17: 56
        0
        In 68, resentment against Russia for the destruction of fascism in Czechoslovakia spilled over into an uprising under the romantic-democratic name "Prague Spring". So get a fascist grenade ...
    2. nikon7717
      nikon7717 21 December 2019 00: 21
      0
      Training You can only yelp in one direction. Otherwise, sweets will be taken away or received with a whip.
  33. ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 20 December 2019 11: 24
    0
    True, she is. European prostigospodi.
  34. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 20 December 2019 12: 01
    0
    True, it hurts my eyes, it was necessary to say directly: together with Hitler they shared Czechoslovakia, and also recall how the FSA and the minor parties paid for Hitler.
  35. Karaul73
    Karaul73 20 December 2019 12: 10
    -3
    Every nation and state has a log in the eye, which they try not to remember.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 20 December 2019 18: 03
      0
      So we will measure the logs, the main thing is not to forget about them.
  36. kit88
    kit88 20 December 2019 12: 21
    +4
    What time! And the boys did not know!
  37. Andrzej k
    Andrzej k 20 December 2019 13: 04
    +3
    As a Pole, I am sorry and ashamed, but Putin is right about that. Poland behaved towards Czechoslovakia in 1938 as a hyena cemetery. The only difference with the USSR and September 17, 1939 is that Poland and the USSR signed the Non-Aggression Pact in 1932. The USSR violated this treaty.
    1. iouris
      iouris 20 December 2019 14: 40
      +2
      Quote: Andrzej K
      The USSR violated this treaty.

      Incidentally, Poland, which disappeared from the political map, pursued an openly anti-Soviet and anti-Russian aggressive policy towards the USSR. The new socialist Poland received from the USSR and personally Comrade Stalin new territories (very undeservedly). But the Russian Federation did not violate the agreements. Nevertheless, Poland became a member of all anti-Russian komplots and the Polish leadership continues the policy of that Poland, which has disappeared as a state.
      1. Andrzej k
        Andrzej k 20 December 2019 16: 15
        -3
        It was the USSR that invaded Poland in 1939, and not vice versa! There is probably no more pronounced expression of aggressive policies. Poland before the war 372 thousand km2, PRL - 312 thousand km2. This Stalin fits - he robbed these lands and then "gave", taking 1/5 more than he gave
        1. Nikolai
          Nikolai 20 December 2019 17: 42
          +1
          England and France cynically surrendered Poland to the Nazis, paved the way for aggression against Russia. You have to start with this. The USSR brought its troops into the territory of an already defunct state (the government cowardly fled, the army lost control and turned into a rabble of men with guns).
        2. Pavel57
          Pavel57 20 December 2019 18: 07
          0
          Start with yourself, first return what you "took"
          As for the USSR, invaded Poland, and whether Poland was already with its government and army. You can recall Curzon’s line recognized even in the west, along which the border passed.

          All borders are in one way or another the result of treaties after the wars. Are you ready to fight for "your" territories?
        3. iouris
          iouris 20 December 2019 21: 14
          0
          Do not forget the principle of inviolability of borders: until 1917, Warsaw was Russian. Not Russian tsars divided Poland, but Austria-Hungary and Prussia.
    2. Altona
      Altona 20 December 2019 15: 28
      0
      Quote: Andrzej K
      The USSR violated this treaty.

      ------------------------
      And when, according to the conditions of Yalta, Poland hitched German lands and restored Poland’s statehood in the form of Poland, what did the USSR violate? In general, the Poles did all the good things themselves, but all the bad things came from the USSR. That is, the restoration of Polish cities, the transfer of numerous licenses for the production of equipment, the training of the most powerful army in Eastern Europe, the first Polish cosmonaut is not counted?
    3. Disorder
      Disorder 20 December 2019 15: 42
      +2
      The USSR did not violate anything. The Polish state actually ceased to exist. Accordingly, all contracts have expired, and:
      The Soviet government cannot also be indifferent to the fact that half-blood Ukrainians and Belarusians living in Poland, abandoned to their fate, remain defenseless. In view of this situation, the Soviet government ordered the Red Army High Command to order the troops to cross the border and take under their protection the life and property of the population of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus.
      (quote from a Note from the Government of the USSR handed to the Polish Ambassador in Moscow on September 17, 1939

      PS Poland was the first to conclude a non-aggression pact with Germany. And this contract was the first to be violated.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 20 December 2019 15: 45
        -1
        Quote: Trouble
        USSR did not break anything

        CCCP, (introductory word), was HE !!! Boy, that is. From the word "union".

        Quote: Trouble
        Poland was the first to conclude ...

        Concluded laughing
      2. Andrzej k
        Andrzej k 20 December 2019 16: 04
        -4
        Poland was the first to conclude a non-aggression pact with the USSR - w 1932, with Germany - 1934. The USSR violated this pact. Each of the first three articles.
        1. Pavel57
          Pavel57 20 December 2019 18: 09
          +1
          Was Poland already with its government and army? The government rushed to Romania, if I'm not mistaken, and then to England.

          And why do the Poles have no complaints against England and France, which, instead of fighting in football, drove.
          1. Andrzej k
            Andrzej k 20 December 2019 18: 43
            -2
            Was there a USSR when Germany stood in Moscow in the winter of 1941? The authorities of the Republic of Poland evacuated abroad PO and as a result of the invasion. THE USSR. Polish armies fought until October 5th.

            I don’t know how other Poles are, I am very offended by England - she pushed Poland to war, giving her false guarantees. But the Polish authorities turned out to be idiots and believed.
            1. Awt
              Awt 21 December 2019 23: 25
              0
              Germany never stood in Moscow. The USSR was. Because Stalin was in Moscow. The Soviet government did not flee abroad.
              Your problem is that you strive to become Anglo-Saxons with all your might and always look into their mouths. They hold you by the bargaining pawn. What then what now. Now they will sell you as easily and simply if they are offered a reasonable price. Your naivety is simply indescribable.
        2. OLGRIN
          OLGRIN 28 December 2019 10: 18
          0
          We'll see:
          1934 Polish-German non-aggression pact;
          1935 the new Polish constitution legalized the "sanitation" regime, a kind of fascism;
          1937 in Poland 700 Orthodox churches were closed, destroyed or transferred to Catholics, the Orthodox Cathedral of Alexander Nevsky in Warsaw was blown up. More than 3500 Ukrainian schools were closed in Galicia alone. By 1939, there was not a single printed organ in the Belarusian language in Polish Belarus. Here, the land was confiscated from many local peasants and transferred to the Polish colonists.
          1938. Excerpt from the report of the General Staff of the Polish Republic: "The dismemberment of Russia is at the heart of Polish policy in the east ... Therefore, our possible position will be reduced to the following formula: who will take part in the division. Poland should not remain passive in this momentous historical The task is to prepare well in advance physically and spiritually ... The main goal is to weaken and defeat Russia. " You like? For me personally, such a wording is enough to permanently stop respecting Polish territory.
          September 3, 1939 German invasion of Poland;
          September 3, 1939 England and France declare war on Germany;
          On September 16, 1939, the Polish government left Warsaw and fled to Romania on September 17;
          On September 17, 1939, the USSR invasion of Poland and the establishment of the USSR border along the Curzon border earlier in 1919 recommended by England.
          In addition, I propose to take a compass and see how much km the USSR pushed the border from Moscow in 1939 and how many kilometers remained for the Germans to Moscow in 1941.
      3. Andrzej k
        Andrzej k 20 December 2019 16: 09
        -5
        I can send you the text of this pact, and there is not a word in it that it is losing power due to the justification that the USSR gave.
        In particular, the USSR violated clause 3 of the treaty by concluding the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact before the war, when the Polish state was fully operational.
        1. Nikolai
          Nikolai 20 December 2019 17: 30
          +3
          The Ribbentrop Molotov pact was concluded after the failure of negotiations with England and France on the creation of an anti-Hitler coalition through the fault of the latter. And what was to be done when there were already Spain, Halkingol, Czechoslovakia, Austria, the Munich agreement, plan of air strikes on Baku by the French and British air forces, Poland’s refusal to let our troops in to help Czechoslovakia? The war knocked on the door ... Everything was very serious.
          1. Andrzej k
            Andrzej k 20 December 2019 18: 47
            0
            Yes. You're right. Well, the fact remains. Poland took a shameful part in the destruction of Czechoslovakia, and the USSR in 1932 tore the non-aggression pact with Poland, signing the Ribentrop-Molotov pact and invading Poland on September 17. Regardless of whether he had his own reasons. Non-aggression pact violated.
            1. Nikolai
              Nikolai 20 December 2019 19: 29
              +2
              The pact you are writing about was concluded in the context of the Entente’s aggression (which included Poland) against the RSFSR. It was a difficult time: the troops of France, England, the USA, Poland, Japan in Belarus and Ukraine, in Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, in Vladivostok and Khabarovsk, in the Caucasus and Kamchatka. Do you understand?
        2. iouris
          iouris 20 December 2019 21: 16
          0
          It functioned. But by the decision of your Western allies, it has ceased to function. What did they do to liberate Poland from Hitler?
    4. Nikolai
      Nikolai 20 December 2019 17: 47
      +3
      September 17 The Polish state no longer existed de facto. The entry of Soviet troops into the no man's land was approved by Churchill.
      1. Andrzej k
        Andrzej k 20 December 2019 18: 53
        -3
        The Polish state existed de facto (like the USSR in December 1941), and more importantly, it acted de jure. It is enough to make previously signed international agreements.
        Japan in December 1941 could bring such an excuse and attack the USSR. But it would be like September 17, 1939, aggression and violation of international agreements.
        That's all.
        1. Nikolai
          Nikolai 20 December 2019 19: 10
          +2
          The Polish government fled from Warsaw towards Romania at the first sign of German encirclement, betraying Poland, the city’s defenders, Polish citizens and the Polish army. Although the defenders of the city had enough strength. Japan did not start a war in December because in the Far East the Red Army had sufficient forces to repel aggression. This also applies to Turkey.
          1. Andrzej k
            Andrzej k 20 December 2019 19: 19
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            Quote: Nikolai Alexandrovich
            The Polish government fled from Warsaw towards Romania at the first sign of German encirclement, betraying Poland, the city’s defenders, Polish citizens and the Polish army.

            towards Romania this does not mean to Romania. The Polish government was still in Poland all the time. The authorities of the USSR were evacuated in a panic to Kuibyshev. Does this mean that the state has ceased to exist?
            If Japan invaded the USSR in 1941, it would have fallen - here I have no doubt. He will not be able to fight on two fronts, and England and the United States will not necessarily become an ally of Stalin. And Leand-Leas would not be ...
            1. Nikolai
              Nikolai 20 December 2019 21: 19
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              By September 17, the Polish government had already left Poland. Kuibyshev is the territory of the USSR (not Romania), the evacuation of the government (its parts, Stalin was in Moscow) was carried out according to the evacuation plan, as well as diplomatic missions. The aggression of Japan was expected in the Far East, Turkey in the Caucasus, England in Central Asia, Finland in Karelia, and Romania in the south. Large groups of the Red Army were deployed in these areas; they took part in the defense of Moscow only partially. The panic among the townspeople in Moscow in October 1941 was stopped in one day. Allies needed a land lease to destroy the troops of Germany and its allies at the hands of Soviet soldiers.
              1. Andrzej k
                Andrzej k 20 December 2019 21: 48
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                September 17, 1939 President of the Republic of Poland Ignacy Mogicki, Supreme Commander-in-Chief Eduard мигmigli Rydz and Prime Minister of the Republic of Poland Felitsyan Slava Sladkovsky and the Government crossed the border with Romania in the late evening. Already after the information about the Soviet aggression and the entry of the Red Army into Poland.
                In the event of a Japanese attack on the USSR, and not on the United States in 1941, Lend Lisa would not exist. There is no USA in the war with Germany. Roosevelt wanted a war that the Americans did not want - only Pearl Harbor changed it. Lend Lisa would not have been. there would be no aluminum for airplanes, there would be no locomotives, dry eggs, canned meat and Studebekerow.
                1. Nikolai
                  Nikolai 20 December 2019 22: 42
                  0
                  The Land Lease Act was adopted by the United States on March 11, 1941 and extended to all countries of the anti-Hitler coalition: Australia, Argentina, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Great Britain, Venezuela, Haiti, Guatemala, Honduras, Greece, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Egypt, India , Iraq, Iran, Canada, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Liberia, Lebanon, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, El Salvador, Saudi Arabia, Syria, USSR , Turkey, Uruguay, Philippines, France, Czechoslovakia, Chile, Ecuador, Ethiopia, Yugoslavia, Union of South Africa. 75% of Lend Lease shipments were in the UK. Japan in 1941 was at war with China, England and the countries of the British Union, France and so on. War with the USSR was not possible due to the nonaggression pact and the presence of a powerful group of the Red Army in the Far East and Siberia. Participation in the war allowed the US economy to emerge from a state of depression, and the United States itself to occupy a leading political position and become the richest country in the world.
                2. Awt
                  Awt 21 December 2019 23: 20
                  0
                  The USA always prefers to fight with the wrong hands, because they themselves are not warriors, but shopkeepers. Japan had already tested the strength of the Red Army in 1937, so in 1941 it was waiting for the Germans to fulfill their boastful plan to capture Moscow and enter the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line. The Germans demanded that the Japanese open a second front against the USSR, but the Japanese reasonably replied that the Germans must first complete their part of the plan. They were ready to kick a dead tiger, but not a wounded one.
            2. OLGRIN
              OLGRIN 28 December 2019 11: 20
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              So the next portion of untruth followed, precisely for this lies we constantly reproach the West.
              Dates and events:
              September 15, 1939 the Polish commander Rydz-Smigly arrived in the city of Kolomyia on the Romanian border.
              On September 16, 1939, the Polish government fled to Romania over a bridge over the Dniester in Zalishchyky.
              On September 17, 1939, the Polish commander Rydz Smigly arrived in Romania.
        2. Nikolai
          Nikolai 20 December 2019 19: 17
          +2
          After the flight of the government and the cessation of the activities of authorities in the territory of the state, Poland ceased to exist de facto. The USSR did not have diplomatic relations with the Polish government in exile - Poland did not exist de jure for the USSR.
          1. Andrzej k
            Andrzej k 20 December 2019 21: 51
            -2
            Aggression of the USSR occurred before this fact. Violation of Article 3 of the Polish-Soviet non-aggression treaty took place before the German aggression. Indeed, it was the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact that allowed Germany to start a war!
            1. Awt
              Awt 21 December 2019 23: 09
              0
              The Red Army entered Poland on the day after the shameful flight of the Polish government. Until September 17.09.1939, 01.09.1939, especially until September 2, 2, the USSR did not attack Poland. After the flight of the Polish government, the USSR had no choice but to create a buffer territory in front of the Wehrmacht. The West allowed Hitler to start 2MV by concluding pacts with him. WW01.09.1939 began with the German-Polish invasion of Czechoslovakia. But the hypocrisy of the West knows no boundaries, so the beginning of WWXNUMX was postponed to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
  38. Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi 20 December 2019 13: 15
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    Poland, France, England gathered a pact to fight together with the USSR. But Hitler failed. He concluded a pact with Stalin. He began to receive manganese and bread from him. And German tank crews with pilots studied in the USSR since 1925. Therefore, the bargaining chip was not the USSR, but Poland. But even then England and France did nothing then, in their opinion, Hitler went in the right direction.
    In 1938, the Poles and the Germans actively coordinated the actions of their armies in case the USSR came out to defend Czechoslovakia - between the Czechoslovakia and the USSR there was an agreement on mutual assistance.
    1. iouris
      iouris 20 December 2019 14: 49
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      Quote: Oo sarcasm
      between the Czechoslovakia and the USSR there was an agreement on mutual assistance.

      But the Treaty turned out to be an empty shell, since the "Western democracies" agreed to transfer to Hitler the powerful military industry of Czechoslovakia, and Poland, allied to everyone except the USSR, declared that it would not allow the USSR troops to move through Polish territories to Czechoslovakia by force of arms. Polish foreign policy is following a vicious historical circle.
  39. Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 December 2019 13: 39
    +1
    It’s not for the Poles to open their mouths, otherwise there is a lot of ambition, but there is a problem with the brains. And so from century to century.
  40. kupitman
    kupitman 20 December 2019 13: 47
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    as I understand it, almost all commentators accidentally switched to the press, and today there would be nothing to gurgle ...
  41. Oleg Salov
    Oleg Salov 20 December 2019 13: 47
    0
    And what is it that the Poles are outraged that there was no attack and the Poles did not appropriate Czechoslovak territory?
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    1. Nikolai
      Nikolai 20 December 2019 17: 16
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      Research has been resumed in Katyn. Let's look at the result. Previously (according to the works of this year) Goebbels lied.
      1. Awt
        Awt 21 December 2019 22: 59
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        Was Goebbels lying? This is unexpected.) But the information that the Germans lost 4 million soldiers on the Eastern Front seems to belong to him too. At the end of the war, shortly before his "resignation" he told. And the whole world believes in such a "reliable" source.)
  43. iouris
    iouris 20 December 2019 14: 36
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    Criminal proceedings instituted?
  44. Walrus Bread
    Walrus Bread 20 December 2019 14: 50
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    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Starover_Z
    And how many times have they invaded the territory of Russia

    As many Russians invaded Poland from the time of the Polish campaign of Vladimir Svyatoslavovich in 981 to the Polish campaign in 1939

    This is how is the campaign of Vladimir Svyatoslavovich in 981 on Chernihiv, became a campaign on Poland?
    With what kind of pies, Chernigov was under the Poles ???
    And if you go to the end, Vladimir Svyatoslavovich is the prince of Kiev, logically it turns out that Russia is not at all involved here, let the heirs of "Kievan Rus" answer for the capture of the Russian city by the Russian prince)
  45. Walrus Bread
    Walrus Bread 20 December 2019 14: 55
    +4
    Quote: Andrzej K
    As a Pole, I am sorry and ashamed, but Putin is right about that. Poland behaved towards Czechoslovakia in 1938 as a hyena cemetery. The only difference with the USSR and September 17, 1939 is that Poland and the USSR signed the Non-Aggression Pact in 1932. The USSR violated this treaty.

    There was no attack pact, only by September 17, 1939, Poland as a state no longer existed!
    So there can be no talk of any violation. You bullied you with your alternative story, I remember, I don’t remember, here I’ll wrap the herring)
    Thank the Soviet Union, which re-created you state after the war!
    1. Awt
      Awt 21 December 2019 22: 56
      0
      And besides, can the Poles remember at least one of their battles with the Soviet "occupiers"? And there was not a single fight. The Red Army was greeted as an ally against Hitler. That's a twist of history.)
  46. Disorder
    Disorder 20 December 2019 15: 55
    +2
    This is what it means to say in time so that it can be heard.
  47. Kibl
    Kibl 20 December 2019 16: 00
    +3
    Che, Pshek’s scorch? The abominable Polish swamp began to boil! Well, hold on, there will be more!
  48. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 20 December 2019 16: 13
    0
    But actually he is right. And those who deny these words should read the real story.

    I don’t like the truth .. Young man Putin, he pointed a finger at a sore point ..
    Stalin did not meet with Hitler and did not cuddle, unlike the western rotortail ..
  49. Nikolai
    Nikolai 20 December 2019 17: 12
    +1
    More often you have to poke your nose into your own guano. We are waiting for Putin's article on the 75th anniversary of the Victory.
  50. meandr51
    meandr51 20 December 2019 17: 23
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    We are waiting for confirmation of the guilt of the Nazi Sonderkommando in the Katyn execution and the submission of relevant documents.