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Sohu: Even the F-15 and F-16 have a chance to “trick” anti-aircraft missiles of the Russian S-500 air defense system

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The Chinese media are discussing information about testing elements of the Russian anti-aircraft missile systems S-500 in Syria. We are talking about promising air defense systems, the tests of which on the Syrian territory were previously reported by various Russian media, citing sources in the military.


Chinese Sohu wonders if the American and Israeli air forces, which include fifth-generation fighters, can “scare” the Russian S-500 air defense system?

Chinese author Shao Xiufeng, a specialist in Western weapons and military strategy, on some, to put it mildly, obscure grounds, states that the S-500 is not a completely new anti-aircraft missile system. It is stated that the S-500 is “the modernization of the S-400 Triumph.”

From material in the military-thematic section of the Chinese portal:

S-500 is the improvement and modernization of the S-400 complex. He is not a separate replacement for him. He is good, but not enough to shake the determination of the US Air Force, which has the F-35 and various rocket modifications in its arsenal.

The author claims that the S-500 is not a revolution at all in the creation of air defense and missile defense systems.

From the material:

If we talk about the anti-missile component of the S-500, then it is seriously inferior to the American ground systems. If we talk about the air defense component, then even the F-15 and F-16 have a chance to "trick" the anti-aircraft missiles of the Russian S-500 "Prometheus".

All these statements, which, frankly, are not based on anything (even comparative characteristics of Russian and foreign air defense systems are not given), look like author’s attempts to convince himself that the S-500 is “nothing outstanding”.

If this is so, and if the S-500 “doesn’t even hit the F-16,” it’s strange why the US contracted Turkey and India with Russia to buy not even the S-500, but the S-400 ...
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 December 2019 08: 06
    +20
    If we talk about the air defense component, then even the F-15 and F-16 have a chance to "trick" the anti-aircraft missiles of the Russian S-500 "Prometheus".

    Experts of level 80. Without knowing the real TTX of the S-500, radar, missiles, detection range, etc., they sit and decide what they have a chance to deceive this complex and what not.
    And this despite the fact that according to official information, Prometheus is the world's first complex of PKO (anti-space defense), and aircraft are engaged in completely different systems, such as S-400, S-300V4, and so on ...
    1. AnpeL
      AnpeL 19 December 2019 08: 09
      +63
      Sometimes it seems that VO turned into a quotation board of the Chinese Sokha
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 19 December 2019 08: 11
        +28
        Not only Sohe, but also National Interest. To put it mildly, there is nowhere more yellow and the level of iksperds is corresponding!
        1. Amateur
          Amateur 19 December 2019 08: 33
          +14
          So we ourselves are to blame. Damantsev was pecked. The legate and Linnik were minus. Shpakovsky generally went over to the Photo Travel Club. You have to publish something. request
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 19 December 2019 09: 32
            +5
            Damantseva is not a sin to peck. He writes his articles in the manner of American hockey commentators - maximum terms and technical information per 1 sq. see text. Just a listing of some technical guides.

            And the conclusions he has, to put it mildly, are far-fetched. And the names did it at all - a la flashy headlines of the yellow press.

            I do not mind, let him write. But you need to change the style. I think so!
            1. Amateur
              Amateur 19 December 2019 10: 08
              +1
              Damantseva is not a sin to peck.

              Do not shoot the pianist! He plays as he can

              But interestingly, VO pays its authors? And how much?
              1. Butchcassidy
                Butchcassidy 19 December 2019 13: 03
                0
                I do not know. Many are free to write.
      2. cost
        cost 19 December 2019 08: 14
        -1
        Sohu: Even the F-15 and F-16 have a chance to “trick” anti-aircraft missiles of the Russian S-500 air defense system

        But what about this? Incidentally, the opinion of the reputable Chinese agency Sina
      3. kjhg
        kjhg 19 December 2019 08: 19
        +10
        Quote: AnpeL
        Sometimes it seems that VO turned into a quotation board of the Chinese Sokha

        Alas, the laws of the genre to increase revenue affect the editorial board of VO. Hence all these articles from foreign yellow resources and the big names of articles. Well, then, the higher the popularity, the higher the income from advertising.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 19 December 2019 09: 51
          +2
          Quote: kjhg
          the higher the popularity, the higher the advertising revenue.

          The higher the advertising revenues, the lower the attention to the interests, demands, intelligence of the "members of the VO circle" ... to the "intellectuality", the objectivity of the published articles ... the craving for dubious, but with an "emphasis" on sensationalism, "materials." ..
          1. kjhg
            kjhg 19 December 2019 09: 57
            +2
            This also has a place to be. But in the era of capitalism, capital is the ultimate goal of all media resources.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 19 December 2019 10: 48
              +2
              Quote: kjhg
              in the era of capitalism, capital is the ultimate goal of all media resources.

              ... even if it will require the interests of profit, to the detriment of objectivity, intelligence, morality ...
              1. kjhg
                kjhg 19 December 2019 10: 57
                0
                Exactly hi
      4. knn54
        knn54 19 December 2019 08: 35
        -5
        As an option, they can deceive t. To the F-35 software allows Israel to disguise its aircraft under the American.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 19 December 2019 09: 36
          +1
          It is they who implement the principle - "they will not hit in the face, but on the passport."
          And they are answered - do not worry, if they beat, then it is in the face.
      5. WILL
        WILL 19 December 2019 09: 03
        +9
        Quote: AnpeL
        Sometimes it seems that VO turned into a quotation board of the Chinese Sokha

        I never get tired of repeating, Sohu is an analog of Yandex Zen ... there are these ExpertDovs - like Durak's - Semechek! Why refer to this resource at all?
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 19 December 2019 13: 09
          0
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Why refer to this resource at all?

          Yesterday I read in a reliable source that the adversary is not sitting still, but is working hard to uncover the secrets of our air defense. How will you comment: "The flights of American reconnaissance aircraft over the Russian Khmeimim airbase in Syria did not go unsuccessfully. The US military managed to intercept radio frequencies used by air defense systems. S-400.
          It is worth noting that this is very valuable data, since with their help American aircraft will be able to "bypass" radars, "pollute" the air with noise, and even create non-existent targets.
          This information is confirmed by a member of the Council of the highest officers of the "Officers of Russia" organization, honored pilot of the Russian Federation Yuri Sytnik, according to him the Americans have taken possession of the frequencies, but so far they cannot decipher them. "
          https://vpk-news.ru/news/54161?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
      6. YOUR
        YOUR 19 December 2019 14: 16
        0
        Apparently you need to see what this very Sohu is. Analog Yandex Yandex. Anyone can start a blog and write all sorts of stuff, the main thing is not to contradict the line of the party and government.
      7. sir_obs
        sir_obs 19 December 2019 14: 22
        +1
        Sometimes it seems that VO turned into a quotation board of the Chinese Sokha

        "Experts from the plow", you can safely add a new meaning to the phraseological dictionary.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 19 December 2019 08: 33
      0
      Of course, there is a possibility - when the C500 is turned off, and is somewhere in a closed hangar. ..
    3. venik
      venik 19 December 2019 08: 40
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      Experts of level 80. Without knowing the real TTX of the S-500, radar, missiles, detection range, etc., they sit and decide what they have a chance to deceive this complex and what not.

      =========
      good They took it off the tongue! I was just going about the "experts" who rant about "which they have NOT the slightest idea"! drinks
      -----
      Quote: NEXUS
      Prometheus is the world's first complex of PKO (space defense), and aircraft are engaged in completely different systems, such as S-400, S-300B4, etc.

      =========
      request And here I strongly disagree with you !!!
      - Firstly, if we talk about Russia, then the first complex of the PKO should be considered the A-235 "Nudol"! This is really capable of shooting down ueli (including maneuvering ones) in space, and not only in the lowest orbits!
      -Secondly: both the Chinese and even the Indians have already tested their PKO complexes, not to mention the Americans, the Aegis (sea) and THAAD (ground) complexes have been with them for a long time, and in 2008 they destroyed their emergency satellite (with nuclear (plutonium (!) reactor), which fell on their heads. ”Moreover, if the Indians threw their spent satellite at 200 km, the Americans - at 240 km, then the Chinese generally gouged their faulty satellite - at 860 km! altitude "Nudol" can get ueli - it is not known, but I think that there will be more than 200 km !!!
      As for the S-500, its "trick" is just in universality: maybe by aerodynamic goals to work, and for ballistic и near space cling to!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 December 2019 08: 43
        +1
        Quote: venik
        First, if we talk about Russia, then the first complex is the PKO should be considered the A-235 "Nudol"

        The S-500 is the world's first ground-based MOBILE PKO complex. Is that more clear?
        1. venik
          venik 19 December 2019 09: 12
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          The S-500 is the world's first ground-based MOBILE PKO complex. Is that more clear?

          =======
          And "Nudol", what do you think "hospital"??? belay
          And about China - it is also not clear - what kind of system is there "stationary" or "mobile" ??? ... request
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 19 December 2019 09: 42
            +2
            Quote: venik
            And "Nudol", what do you think is "hospital" ???

            Nudol, that is, the A-235 is being replaced by the STATIONARY Amur A-135. What you saw there in the video, how he was taken to the test for testing, these are just tests. Nudol is not a mobile complex from the word at all.
            1. venik
              venik 19 December 2019 09: 56
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              What you saw there in the video, how he was taken to the test for testing, these are just tests. Nudol is not a mobile complex from the word at all.

              ========

              "...March 26, 2018 in Plesetsk conducted the sixth test of the A-235 rocket and firstmade with the standard mobile launcher designed for this complex, whereas earlier launches were made from test launchers ...."(https://lenta.ru/news/2018/04/04/nudol/)
              So you are satisfied ???
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 19 December 2019 10: 00
                0
                Quote: venik
                So you are satisfied ???

                No, it will not work. Cupids cover ONLY Moscow. Nudol goes to replace Cupid. Now the question is: Why would Nudol be made mobile if they would cover Moscow ONLY? Such anti-missiles can be made by contract a limited number.
                I repeat, what you picked out from the Ribbon only says that you brought a rocket on a truck, launched it and thereby tested it. Nudol is a mine rocket!
                Moreover, like Amur, the warhead of hers will be nuclear.
                1. venik
                  venik 19 December 2019 18: 12
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  No, it will not work. Cupids cover ONLY Moscow. Nudol goes to replace Cupid.

                  =======
                  Well yes! Coming to replace the A-135 "Cupid" !!! Well, yes, it will cover the Central Region! ......
                  And what if the S-200 - were stationary (well, or at least - "transportable") - then the S-300 - ALSO had to be the same ???
                  AMAZING "logic" !!! request
                  PS As the sage said: "If a person is mistaken - there is NOTHING terrible in this" .... Well, if he ENDORSES in his delusion .... - This is a sign of "poor mind" !!!! " request
                  ----
                  PS Sorry if I offended you !!!!!
              2. YOUR
                YOUR 19 December 2019 14: 28
                +1
                Mine-based A-235 "Nudol" interceptor missiles.
                one of the videos. Loading a rocket into the mine and its launch. Pay attention to the dimensions of the rocket.
                https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3A%D0%9F%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BA_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8B_%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B_%D0%9F%D0%A0%D0%9E_%D0%90-235_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%A1%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8B-%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD.webm
                1. venik
                  venik 19 December 2019 18: 24
                  0
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Mine-based A-235 "Nudol" interceptor missiles.
                  one of the videos. Loading a rocket into the mine and its launch. Pay attention to the dimensions of the rocket.

                  =======
                  And what about the launch from the TPK - "this, in principle, can not be" ???
                  ------
                  "...whereas earlier starts were made from test launchers.... "(https://lenta.ru/news/2018/04/04/nudol/)
                  ------
                  Well, actually, in the Nudol SYSTEM, 3 (THREE!) Types of missiles are used!: Long-range, Middle and Near "peekhat" ...
                  Perhaps the "long-range" intercept missiles can also be loaded into the "mines" .... Although - TPU - it is TPU !!! "Load into TPU mine" - NONSENS !!! request
                  1. YOUR
                    YOUR 20 December 2019 03: 15
                    0
                    I didn’t understand anything at all. What is TPU? Transport launcher?
                    Quote: venik
                    Well, actually, in the Nudol SYSTEM, 3 (THREE!) Types of missiles are used!: Long-range, Middle and Near "peekhat" ...

                    I will supplement and even detection and guidance tools, which are located in stationary objects. They are very cumbersome to be mobile. It is possible that some mobile launchers were tested, but from the prepared sites, the rocket engine was too powerful and not far from the guidance means. For some reason, it seems to me that it didn’t go beyond experimental launches.
            2. venik
              venik 19 December 2019 15: 20
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              Nudol, that is, the A-235 is being replaced by the STATIONARY Amur A-135. What you saw there in the video, how he was taken to the test for testing, these are just tests. Nudol is not a mobile complex from the word at all.

              =======
              Lord Yes, if you personally, Andrew, I want to believethat A-235 is "not mobile", but for example - "mine" ...... Yes, my God !!! WHO is stopping you ??? As popular wisdom says; "Blessed is he who BELIEVES !!! - Warmth to him in the world !!!"
              Even ready Apologizethat DOUBTED in your INTRODUCTION !!!!
              "I was wrong, I got excited .... I ask you to give it an opportunity - TO BUY!

              All the more so - if "you have a husband - a WIZARD" !!!
          2. dvina71
            dvina71 19 December 2019 09: 43
            +1
            Quote: venik
            And "Nudol", what do you think is "hospital" ???

            Mobile mines? From now on, more ..
            1. venik
              venik 19 December 2019 10: 03
              +1
              Quote: dvina71
              Mobile mines? From now on, more ..

              ========
              And why is this "fright", the A-235 "Nudol" suddenly became a mine-based system ???? Who told you that? Spit in his face!
              -----
              Combat assets of the complex:
              .......
              .......
              - Missile launch positions with missile launch from transport launch containers.
              ......
              And where is the "mine" ????
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 19 December 2019 10: 13
                +1
                Quote: venik
                And why is this "fright", the A-235 "Nudol" suddenly became a mine-based system ???? Who told you that? Spit in his face!

                With such that Nudol is a mine rocket. And according to the agreement, that is exactly what it should be, since only Moscow will cover it. and her head is with special warheads. What will give this anti-missile mobility, do not explain? laughing
                1. Sul Carnine
                  Sul Carnine 19 December 2019 13: 13
                  0
                  Good day!
                  After the launch, this rocket flies very quickly, i.e. becomes very mobile)
                2. YOUR
                  YOUR 19 December 2019 14: 31
                  0
                  Why argue Everything is easy and simple. In the search engine launch the Nudol rocket and pry the video clip -
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3jW_AGsNvo
                3. venik
                  venik 19 December 2019 18: 27
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  With such that Nudol -mine rocket.

                  =======
                  This is WHAT is BODUNA - a rocket launched from TPU (! fool ) suddenly became "MINING" ?????
              2. dvina71
                dvina71 19 December 2019 10: 17
                0
                Quote: venik
                - Missile launching positions with launching missiles from transport and launch containers.

                ???? Am I on VO? TPK ... even the smallest missiles in the Shell in TPK ... and the huge Topol ... in TPK ...
                But the whole Moscow missile defense system is stationary, rocket-based mine.
    4. barclay
      barclay 19 December 2019 09: 21
      -1
      Such skeptical thoughts amaze our peace-plush actions, even in the same Syria. There is no public evidence that the S-400 stopped the actions of Israel or the mattresses, or even more so because they shot something down there.
      1. Siberia55
        Siberia55 19 December 2019 14: 22
        0
        there the contract is not more than 40 km.
      2. Siberia55
        Siberia55 19 December 2019 14: 24
        -1
        they’ll enter the 40 km zone will be fully
    5. Karaul14
      Karaul14 19 December 2019 11: 52
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      Prometheus is the world's first complex of PKO (space defense), and aircraft are engaged in completely different systems, such as S-400, S-300B4, etc.
      An analogue goes already beyond all facets. For a long time at least there is a THAAD and Aegis system SM-3 rocket.
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 19 December 2019 12: 10
        +1
        THAAD and SM-3 - Pure Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems
    6. Bar2
      Bar2 19 December 2019 13: 10
      +2
      c500 no one saw at all and no one can know the performance characteristics of the complex, some speculation, nothing to discuss.
  2. FenH
    FenH 19 December 2019 08: 07
    +6
    Damn, until April 1, it seems like a long time? What kind of tests of the S-500 in Syria? He himself came up with, developed himself, overthrew himself. Relative Latynina probably request
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 19 December 2019 08: 12
      +9
      Sohu: Even the F-15 and F-16 have a chance
      This Sohu is at the level of a yellow rag, all the time "pearl" prints! fool
    2. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 19 December 2019 08: 12
      0
      He's lying - how he breathes! belay Not there is a Chinese born. He would be in Ukraine. what
    3. venik
      venik 19 December 2019 08: 46
      +2
      Quote: FenH
      Damn, until April 1, it seems like a long time? What are the tests of the S-500 in Syria?

      =======
      No, it was our media that "distinguished themselves" !!! The General Staff and the Ministry of Defense have already denied the "rumors" .... Only to this Shao Xufeng, as "to giraffes - it has not yet reached" !!! laughing
      1. FenH
        FenH 19 December 2019 09: 10
        0
        Quote: venik
        Quote: FenH
        Damn, until April 1, it seems like a long time? What are the tests of the S-500 in Syria?

        =======
        No, it was our media that "distinguished themselves" !!! The General Staff and the Ministry of Defense have already denied the "rumors" .... Only to this Shao Xufeng, as "to giraffes - it has not yet reached" !!! laughing

        "our" media, they are hi "Kommersant" won the pearl that it would take 95 billion to repair Kuznetsov, only he did not develop the idea that after the repair of Kuznetsov it would become a catamaran type with a fast neutron nuclear power plant and that the F-35C, which Trump sold to Lavrov, would be based on it. for which he got impeachment. Paper she will endure everything laughing
  3. Finches
    Finches 19 December 2019 08: 08
    +5
    Any aircraft always has a chance, but in this case it is akin to sex in a condom - hardly anyone will break through ... laughing
  4. Alexander Suvorov
    Alexander Suvorov 19 December 2019 08: 09
    +5
    In Chinese Sohu
    The Chinese Sohu, is an analogue of the American National Interest, and Shao Xiufeng, is a make-up Dave Majumdar. Well and accordingly the level of analytics is the same. Nobody knows the parameters of the S-500 yet, but they are already starting to discuss pancakes.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 December 2019 08: 10
    +11
    Another Chinese stuffing! It is already clear that this publication does not publish anything objective. Maybe you shouldn't publish it anymore? All his insinuations can be foreseen in advance. As, for example, the best and unsurpassed J-20 with engines of unknown origin ...
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 19 December 2019 08: 16
      0
      I agree with you all 100! If anything, I support you in this endeavor in all manifestations.
      Alternatively, you can offer to enter the section "nonsense from there." You can not deprive people of information, but the fact that this is nonsense, you need to designate!
    2. venik
      venik 19 December 2019 08: 53
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Maybe you shouldn't publish it anymore?

      ========
      Why? Even in VO, there must also be a Humorous section! And it will be boring! And so - read in the morning - had some fun!! laughing
  6. Sergey985
    Sergey985 19 December 2019 08: 19
    +4
    Why is this nonsense generally reprinted?
  7. Fedorov
    Fedorov 19 December 2019 08: 21
    -2
    Here and the S-300 of the last Ampendicia A to the mountain of fakes.
  8. Advisor to the Council of Advisers
    Advisor to the Council of Advisers 19 December 2019 08: 27
    +2
    Shao Xiufeng

    Keep observing and keep us posted.
  9. svp67
    svp67 19 December 2019 08: 27
    +2
    There is a chance, of course ... for example, to dig a tunnel underground and use it ... A chance, he is "not a paycheck, not an advance ..."
  10. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 19 December 2019 08: 30
    0
    If we talk about the anti-missile component of the S-500, then it is seriously inferior to the American ground systems. If we talk about the air defense component, then even the F-15 and F-16 have a chance to "trick" the anti-aircraft missiles of the Russian S-500 "Prometheus".

    Yes, the Chinese bell tower, he’s right, only no one wants to check it on his own skin, let tryndit and amuse himself with pride, otherwise he can also tell him tx s-500, yes, a bad complex, and CHECK ON YOUR FIFTH POINT WEAK?
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 19 December 2019 08: 40
      0
      Quote: Fantazer911
      If we talk about the anti-missile component of the S-500, then it is seriously inferior to the American ground systems.

      Che seriously? Is yielding straight? Can you provide a comparative analysis of our missile defense systems (including both S-500 and Nudol) and mattresses? Or, too, how do the Chinese talk from the bulldozer?
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 19 December 2019 13: 05
        +1
        In fact, a colleague quoted, in the first lines, a Chinese expert. From a mobile phone, it is not very convenient to select text. And you immediately ran into it. The message of his post is completely opposite. Read it again. And someone already instructed you and the pluses, also did not understand and apparently.
        1. Fantazer911
          Fantazer911 19 December 2019 20: 12
          0
          Thank you for correctly reading my comment on the comment, something like that, thanks! hi
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 20 December 2019 07: 37
            0
            Always glad comrade hi
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 19 December 2019 13: 05
        0
        In fact, a colleague quoted, in the first lines, a Chinese expert. From a mobile phone, it is not very convenient to select text. And you immediately ran into it. The message of his post is completely opposite. Read it again. And someone already instructed you and pluses, too, did not understand, apparently.
  11. cniza
    cniza 19 December 2019 08: 31
    +2
    Sohu: Even the F-15 and F-16 have a chance to “trick” anti-aircraft missiles of the Russian S-500 air defense system


    If you talk like that, then a simple slingshot has a chance.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 19 December 2019 08: 47
      +1
      Hi soldier
      They just paid for a specific "job", that Chinese ... wah.
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 December 2019 08: 54
        +1
        Good time! hi but somehow it all looks funny, for such nonsense they might not have paid.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 19 December 2019 09: 03
          0
          The fact that out of a love of art is crucified, it is unlikely, maybe they are sitting on a salary?
          1. cniza
            cniza 19 December 2019 09: 04
            +1
            They didn’t find smarter than that, it doesn’t climb into any gates, it looks more like a substitute.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 19 December 2019 09: 26
              0
              The more impudent deception ... you just have to repeat it more often!
              1. cniza
                cniza 19 December 2019 09: 27
                0
                Somewhere we already heard it and passed, it means from the brothers. lol
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 19 December 2019 09: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: cniza
                  Somewhere we already heard it and passed

                  Yes, yes, very much heard.
                  The technique has been worked out for centuries, for millennia! The rake is old, famous, but probably eternal.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 19 December 2019 09: 34
                    +2
                    And many dance on them ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 19 December 2019 10: 04
                      0
                      That is yes. Here, no experience, either a stranger or his own, does not save.
  12. Andrey Mikhaylov
    Andrey Mikhaylov 19 December 2019 08: 37
    0
    The next one, an expert who knows everything and for everyone, gets richer in thought, hello (to an expert from China)
  13. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 19 December 2019 08: 39
    0
    Yes Yes Yes!!!! Let the Chinese believe .... and at the same time the Americans in their faith will convince that the S-500 is a step in the Stone Age. soldier
  14. Russobel
    Russobel 19 December 2019 08: 40
    0
    What kind of Chinese ?!
    Yes, he didn’t sniff the S-500 and did not see it with his eye, but already an expert!
    Fortuneteller, psychic ...
  15. HAM
    HAM 19 December 2019 08: 41
    0
    The Chinese are trying with all their might to belittle the quality of our weapons, at the same time actively copying it (however, not always successfully). A natural question arises: why are not "excellent" air defense systems copied from America? Somewhere the Chinese are still cunning ... now they also began to praise their clones ...
  16. Svetlana
    Svetlana 19 December 2019 08: 43
    +2
    Quote: AnpeL
    Sometimes it seems that VO turned into a quotation board of the Chinese Sokha

    The problem is not in quotations as such, but in the fact that we are offered to take a word. No links to the original. Never there.
    And if there are no references to the original, then there is no faith in the authors either, they can compose anything more.
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 19 December 2019 08: 45
    +1
    The author claims that the S-500 is not a revolution at all in the creation of air defense and missile defense systems.

    If you think about it (who can), then REVOLUTIONARY, fundamentally new in the military sphere, has not shown anything like this in recent years! Systems, technologies known earlier are being improved and modernized. Improvements can be different, significant or not.
    In short, in order for the Chinese sandpiper, our achievement is someone else's swamp, the command came to "croak" sharply against!
    Nothing new.
  18. askort154
    askort154 19 December 2019 08: 53
    +1
    Sohu: Even the F-15 and F-16 have a chance to “trick” anti-aircraft missiles of the Russian S-500 air defense system

    Dear Xi, pay attention to "Sohu"! This is a paid agent of the US military-industrial complex. In addition, they question your purchase of the S-400. negative
  19. Strashila
    Strashila 19 December 2019 09: 01
    0
    Yes, the U-2 has a chance to deceive the American Patriot, and this is the UAV for you in efficiency.
  20. awdrgy
    awdrgy 19 December 2019 09: 02
    -1
    And after all, the Chinese will be the first to want to buy, what to listen to these compilers (well, the robot, well, understand, sit and be silent riveting copies of millions of pieces, this is the destiny))
  21. Lesorub
    Lesorub 19 December 2019 09: 07
    +4
    If we talk about the anti-missile component of the S-500, then it is seriously inferior to the American ground systems. If we talk about the air defense component, then even the F-15 and F-16 have a chance to "trick" the anti-aircraft missiles of the Russian S-500 "Prometheus".

    Such nonsense - only an incompetent publication can print on the "yellow" pages, it is not clear why VO publishes this misunderstanding!
  22. Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 19 December 2019 09: 24
    0
    And the Russians do not care for these experts, they even have the S-125 being shot down by the F-117 invisibles. So the S-400 is enough for the eyes to bring down the F-35.
  23. Vdi73
    Vdi73 19 December 2019 09: 28
    0
    Comrade, I would envy in silence that China has nothing like this near, in Russia only specialists know the TT-S-500, but here a specialist from the Middle Kingdom knows everything and put it on the shelves. Let him be proud that they sold the s-400.
  24. eckons
    eckons 19 December 2019 09: 49
    -1
    Tell Sohu that Ivan Pupkin, a specialist in all weapons and strategies and tactics, said that even the old Soviet S-125 system has a chance to bring down the American F-35. And the F-35 is not at all a revolution in the aircraft industry, but only a continuation of the nearly hundred-year history of aircraft manufacturing in the United States.
  25. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 December 2019 10: 57
    -2
    The Chinese have an S-400. And, probably, it was tested against airplanes.
    Including, against the Su-35.
    And, probably, the electronic warfare systems of Chinese aircraft were tested against the S-400.
    China has all the tools for mutual verification: air defense against aviation and aviation in attacks on air defense.
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 19 December 2019 19: 48
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The Chinese have an S-400.

      Export option.
      About the performance characteristics of Russian complexes, the Chinese have neither sleep nor spirit.
  26. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 December 2019 11: 04
    0
    Of course, F-16 and 15 have chances:
    1. How many and with what missiles will be involved in the suppression
    2. Will the Air Force meet them
    3. What losses will be incurred by the attacker?
    4. How will suppress anti-aircraft defense systems of electronic warfare
    5. Will positions C400 and 500 be explored

    ..etc.

    When summing up all the risks, the F-35 is likely to suffer less losses than the 4 ++ generation, and this is a tactical issue.
  27. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 19 December 2019 11: 10
    0
    Article placeholder print space no more. Because S-500 is still in development and with the F-16/15/35 in a combat situation did not intersect. And the data of who does not exist, in principle.
    The maximum that can be real data is about F-16 / F-4 in relation to the S-400 in Turkey. Greek C-300PMU1 and F-15 / F-16 of Israel. And transferred to the US early versions of the C-300.
    And I really doubt the public availability of this data. And their correctness as applied to the S-500.
  28. Maks1995
    Maks1995 19 December 2019 11: 16
    +1
    Ekperdy discuss emptiness, I agree.
  29. Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 19 December 2019 11: 40
    0
    And the gun of the battleship is the evolution of the arquebus. And you can’t argue.
  30. Alien From
    Alien From 19 December 2019 11: 45
    0
    In gives a chinaea ...... their brothers have infected with a disease of drying out of a brain ???
  31. Vladimir Fedin
    Vladimir Fedin 19 December 2019 12: 37
    0
    This Chinese expert should be invited to sit in F16 and take part in the C-500 test.
  32. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 19 December 2019 12: 46
    0
    I have been reading translations of Chinese publications for about a year already .. they have very clearly traced such a "critical and compassionate" attitude towards our defense industry and military technologies. Say, yes, Russia has a strong army, BUT (and then usually there are theses that refute it). They say Russia has a Su-57, and this is a good 5th generation aircraft, one of the first BUT (and the same thing). All these articles are written as a carbon copy, which is not surprising, given that the media in China are under an even larger cap than ours. Probably there is a certain political order to create in the minds of our yellow-faced allies from us the image of a sort of younger-and-unlucky brother in everything.
    It is also likely that these comrades are adapting to process our information space in the future (in the same vein). The idea, in principle, is clear where it marks - taking everything that we are ready to share with them, they will want more, and for this they will need a new mentality of them, and our new mentality.
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  33. Demagogue
    Demagogue 19 December 2019 13: 06
    0
    The lull, what kind of drilling and reaction to obvious things. Any air defense system can be suppressed by aviation. Just because the ball is round and there are dead zones for the radar. Over-the-horizon radars help but are not critical. The plane has the opportunity to fly up hiding behind the relief, emerge from the dead zone, launch a missile in the air defense system and go back. Yes, the missile launcher will launch a missile in its wake, but its radar is low-power and, against the background of the earth, it cannot even detect stealth. The initiative is always with aviation, and air defense only from air defense systems, even echeloned, will sooner or later be pushed through. I need the support of my aviation.
  34. meandr51
    meandr51 19 December 2019 13: 16
    0
    "Determination" and ability are different things.
  35. YakimovSS
    YakimovSS 19 December 2019 13: 20
    0
    Well, as if from the available data, the S-500 is a long-range supplement to the S-400, although it can perform its own functions. Those. it is more imprisoned for long-range damage, including unobtrusive targets like F-35, including due to the use of centimeter range radars. Chinese expert in the know what threatens the F-35th exposure in the centimeter range?
  36. MILOS6
    MILOS6 19 December 2019 14: 23
    0
    Of course there is, it’s true only in theory, but for now these things DVINA (s-75) removes from the sky the Hussites (essentially tribes), and very successfully
  37. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 19 December 2019 14: 27
    -2
    The specialist in military weapons does not suspect that any technique is developed not with the book of Jules Verne, and on this basis they design cannons for flying to the moon, but studying past real experience in a similar direction. Hence, the invention of gunpowder by the Chinese is peeping in nature and in case of fire. A wheel - a log peeping in nature rolling downhill ... Porcelain - random sintering of pebbles in a furnace fire ....
    It would be better for this specialist to unfasten his copywriters of foreign technology and to contribute to their beneficial independent work. ..
  38. ZVS
    ZVS 19 December 2019 14: 30
    0
    Narrow-eyed, as always, having nothing like their own, immediately try to cheat on the new Russian.
  39. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 19 December 2019 18: 00
    -1
    Quote: Demagogue
    Slump

    You only need to tear the eggs for such a word.
    Strategist, your mother .... There is nothing absolute, so conceived by Her Majesty, Nature. Otherwise, the predominance of all is for one, and, ultimately, death for all.
    Only in harmony is consistency an advantage. All parts of the system.
    You do not have complete harmony in the coordination of even two hemispheres. What is it talking about then?
  40. Tokhtamysh
    Tokhtamysh 19 December 2019 19: 15
    -2
    The grand commotion in the USA was only in Russian news for cattle.
  41. kventinasd
    kventinasd 19 December 2019 19: 41
    0
    The opinion of an expert in a country that has never won anything in any war deserves special attention and respect. laughing
    It seems insulting to them, because nobody needs their systems, except for themselves, that’s all nonsense.
  42. bk316
    bk316 19 December 2019 20: 22
    +2
    "CHEAT"? As it is professionally said for an air defense specialist. wassat
  43. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 19 December 2019 22: 26
    0
    They have the number "500" written upside down in China and read backwards. So it turns out SAM 002. "Well, what can you do if a person always looks at life through tank embrasures, poor fellow ... laughing
  44. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 20 December 2019 05: 38
    0
    There are a lot of people who want to "be smart", there is no one to check for yourself !!! The chance to "cheat" is a very slippery thing, and if not !?