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The Ministry of Defense called the timing of arming PAK YES

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The Ministry of Defense called the timing of arming PAK YES

Aerospace Forces (VKS) will receive promising aviation long-range aviation complex (PAK DA) until the end of the current state arms program, i.e. until 2027. This was in an interview with the magazine "Defense of Russia" said Deputy Minister of Defense Alexei Krivoruchko.


Talking about new and modern types of weapons and equipment that will go into service with the Russian army as part of the current state weapons program, Krivoruchko, among other samples, also mentioned the promising long-range aviation complex (PAK DA).

In accordance with the State Armament Program, until 2027 (...) the strategic nuclear forces will be armed with: Borei-A strategic missile submarines, a long-range long-range aviation complex, strategic missile systems, fixed and mobile

- he said.

Earlier it was reported that the promising long-range aviation complex (PAK DA), created by the Tupolev design bureau, will replace the long-range and strategic bombers and missile carriers Tu-160, Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3 in service with the airborne forces.

According to official data, the new aircraft is made according to the flying wing aerodynamic scheme, using technologies that reduce the EPR of the aircraft in the design.

It is assumed that the PAK DA will be subsonic. In addition, based on the voiced data, the new aircraft will be able to carry more weapons than the Tu-160. The nomenclature of armaments should include as hypersonic weapon, and air-to-air missiles - this solution should allow the aircraft to fly unaccompanied.

The engine for a strategic multi-purpose aircraft is built by the United Engine Corporation (UEC). It is expected that the engine will have a 23 TC.

The rollout of the first prototype of the aircraft is scheduled for 2021-2022. In January, the design bureau completed the transfer of the documentation necessary for the start of production to the Kazan Aircraft Plant.
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  1. Vladimir16
    Vladimir16 18 December 2019 13: 00
    +18
    God forbid!
    The terms are minimal.
    Not familiar.
    Today it takes more than 10 years to do this.
    And here at 27 in service.
    God forbid!
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 18 December 2019 13: 13
      +26
      PAK DA will replace Tu-160, Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3

      hmm ... usually universal is not the best ...
      Yes, and this trinity is very different from each other in terms of performance
      1. knn54
        knn54 18 December 2019 14: 05
        +12
        It is easier for a subsonic aircraft to provide longer range and patrol times. Tu-95 stays in the air much longer than the supersonic Tu-160. The Russian Air Force has few refueling aircraft, and there are no air bases abroad.
        Therefore, due to UNIVERSALIZATION, speed goes by the wayside. The main thing is the flight range and the mass of airborne weapons.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 18 December 2019 14: 10
          +2
          This is not only a matter of range, I read somewhere that the United States has a satellite system that detects the T-160, but does not see the Tu-95 because of the smaller thermal footprint.

          Therefore, I think, in order to provide PAK-DA with a lower thermal signature, it is made subsonic.
      2. Sergey39
        Sergey39 18 December 2019 14: 09
        +12
        How can he replace them? If both TU-160 and TU-22 are preparing for the resumption of production? Here TU-95 will soon serve their way.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 18 December 2019 14: 45
          +3
          Quote: Sergey39
          How can he replace them?

          Yes, he will not replace them now. He will have his own niche
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 18 December 2019 16: 21
          +3
          Quote: Sergey39
          How can he replace them? If both TU-160 and TU-22 are preparing for the resumption of production? Here TU-95 will soon serve their way.

          Do you think that the replacement will happen no later than tomorrow? It will take years. Therefore, they resume production so that before PAK DA is constructed, created, tested, brought to mind ... not to be without pants.
      3. venik
        venik 18 December 2019 18: 18
        0
        Quote: Thrall
        usually universal is not the best ...
        Yes, and this trinity is very different from each other in terms of performance

        ========
        Well, they are not going to "replace" something, but gradually!!! (as "wear and tear") ...
        As they say in Odessa: "they walk along Deribasovskaya street" gradually "!!!"
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 18 December 2019 13: 40
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir16
      God forbid!
      The terms are minimal.
      Not familiar.
      Today it takes more than 10 years to do this.
      And here at 27 in service.

      Well, why the minimum, if they first spoke about him five years ago (if not earlier), which means that research has at least been completed. So the deadlines are just not minimal, but even more than average, although frankly it’s even hard to imagine what is now considered a normal deadline in the development of B and BT.
    3. Skubudu
      Skubudu 18 December 2019 15: 20
      +4
      A stealth subsonic bomber is easier to create than a stealth fighter with a speed of 2max +
      Bomber polymers do not need to withstand 10 + G overloads and withstand heating from 2 + max speeds.
      so in theory it should be easier than with the SU-57
      1. opus
        opus 18 December 2019 16: 51
        -1
        Quote: Skubudu
        A stealth subsonic bomber is easier to create than a stealth fighter with a speed of 2max +

        Yeah?
        And so to see Northrop B-2 Spirit was worth $ 2,7982 billion (without NICOR) and there are only 21 of them
        https://fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-2.htm
        in contrast to $ 146,2 million (for 2008) (excluding NICOR)
        Lockheed / Boeing F-22 Raptor (195 pieces)
        ?
        Quote: Skubudu
        so in theory it should be easier than with the SU-57

        conversely
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 December 2019 11: 09
        0
        There are other difficult moments ...
        1. Worse aerodynamics and stability in flight
        2. Sophisticated navigation systems, control in flight.
        3. A wide range of weapons
        4. Stealth coating ...

        And so, I agree, in addition, the subsonic has more carrying capacity and range, all other things being equal.
    4. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 18 December 2019 18: 21
      +5
      And here at 27 in service.
      God forbid!

      In 2003, in defense of the draft design, they also said that the PAK FA in 2015 will be adopted.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 18 December 2019 22: 08
        0
        Quote: Souchastnik
        And here at 27 in service.
        God forbid!

        In 2003, in defense of the draft design, they also said that the PAK FA in 2015 will be adopted.

        Deadlines - deadlines .... Either they didn’t say so, or they didn’t understand and gave out as valid ...
        I do not want to say anything bad, it would be nice if it happened, but ... How many Armata tanks were promised and by what year, huh ?!
        By 2020, it was promised that the Ural Plant, which is the only one in the country that has the honor to create such tanks, will make over two thousand!
    5. kuz363
      kuz363 19 December 2019 18: 14
      0
      Don’t worry, promises are usually forgotten.
  2. ultra
    ultra 18 December 2019 13: 03
    +18
    Something is hard to believe. Su-57 in 2009 first flight, in 2020 the first production.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 18 December 2019 13: 46
      -2
      Why is it hard to believe? PAK YES has been developed for a long time. PAK YES can be made simpler than Su-57. Clean technologically. Sound engines NK-23D as I understand it on the basis of NK-32-02 are easier to make than Product 30.
      In 2009, Tupolev Design Bureau signed a contract with the RF Ministry of Defense for research work under the code "Messenger", as a result of which a draft design of PAK DA was prepared. The development of a promising long-range aviation complex has been underway since 2013.


      By March 2017, a full-size mock-up of PAK DA was created at Tupolev Design Bureau. In May 2017, the PAK DA digital model was completely ready. This was reported to the media by Sergey Korotkov, vice president of UAC innovations. Digitization of the aircraft will allow maintenance of the PAK DA at all stages of its life cycle, explained in the UAC.


      Earlier, the head of PJSC Tupolev Alexander Konyukhov reported that the rollout of the first prototype PAK DA is planned for 2021-2022.
      Yuri Borisov, being the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation (now the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government), said that the PAK DA could make its first flight in 2025-2026, and the start of mass production is planned for 2028-2029.

      https://m.gazeta.ru/army/2019/08/26/12602491.shtml
      1. opus
        opus 18 December 2019 17: 03
        0
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        .PAK YES to do easier than Su-57. Clean technologically. Subsonic engines NK-23D

        go nuts.
        1. Therefore, Northrop B-2 Spirit was worth $ 2,7982 billion (without NICOR)?
        2. Engines there about nothing at all. Avionics in aircraft, and even more so the coating material will be more expensive
        repair, which is carried out at least once every seven years, costs $ 60 million for one B-2 Spirit aircraft.
        3.Programs "Echo Code"
        - placement of REO in a single shielded compartment,
        -placing equipment under radar absorbing radomes with radiolucent windows that can open and close depending on need, limiting the number and size of antennas.
        - reduction of the inversion trace and smoke reduction in gases is achieved through the use of chemical additives to the fuel, which change the size of the water droplets formed in the nozzle. -visual visibility can be reduced by active camouflage, that is, by using devices matching the brightness of the light reflected from the surface of the aircraft, with the background of the sky or earth
        5. We do not have such technologies yet.
        Each cell is a pentagonal cross-sectional tube with a length of about 100 mm, the longitudinal axis of which is parallel to the longitudinal axis of the aircraft. The internal volume of the tube is filled with radar absorbing material, the density of which increases in the direction from the front to the back. As a result, the energy of electromagnetic waves is partially absorbed by the multilayer coating, and then by the filler of the tube and is weakened by repeated reflection from its inner walls. In addition, in some places the glider of the aircraft is covered with radio-absorbing ferrite paint. The need to perform long low-altitude flights forced developers to make the power set durable and tough.

        RP tape and putty, etc., etc.
        not sure if we have a calculation method for a stealth bomber
  3. Cryvedco
    Cryvedco 18 December 2019 13: 05
    +11
    How will it, subsonic, replace the Tu-160 and Tu-22? Swans have a chip - to get over from NATO fighters, and you can not lose it.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 18 December 2019 13: 10
      0
      I support. The main thing is not to lose! hi
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 18 December 2019 13: 11
      +9
      As I understand it, they want to add the function of a fighter / V-V / missile to it.
      And he will not stall from fighters, but heap them up.
      Well, this is how they represent us, and how it will be in reality, the ruff knows it.
      1. Cryvedco
        Cryvedco 18 December 2019 13: 14
        +4
        This is good, but the ability to engage in air combat and speed are not interchangeable. Supersound is also needed for other purposes, not only for protection against fighter jets.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 18 December 2019 13: 24
          +12
          The old concept broke through the supersonic air defense, and the new one will creep up to the launch line. So probably.
          1. Cryvedco
            Cryvedco 18 December 2019 13: 26
            +5
            It is truth too. But our dear partners may still need express delivery of parcels, and making such people wait is somehow impolite.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 18 December 2019 13: 35
              +4
              Our Triad has strategic complexes for every taste. If the bombers fail to keep up, they will "call" the brothers. I think that the submarines, mines and PGRK will not disappoint the enemy and the gifts will not be long in coming.
            2. lev1759
              lev1759 18 December 2019 16: 17
              0
              our respected partners may need express delivery of parcels,


              For these purposes, the production of Tu - 160s will be produced an additional 50 pieces ...
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 18 December 2019 13: 38
        +8
        The heavy and subsonic PAK-DA will not have a chance against enemy fighters and interceptors how many missiles do not hang on it.

        Firstly, PAK-DA, although it was made using stealth technology, but in order to detect enemy fighters he needs to turn on the radar, and this will immediately give it out and it will be detected from afar by all that is possible.

        Secondly, foreign fighter jets have air-to-air missiles that will allow them to attack PAK-YA from a great distance, not using their radar, but guided by AWACS or other planes and radar stations, while the same F-35 or unmanned aerial vehicles will attack them with air-to-air missiles made using stealth technology and having the ability to approach the missile launch distance undetected, especially if they come up behind our airborne bombardment and even if PAK-DA sees them from a distance of 200 km, for example, and attacks, the distance and speed reserves fighters will allow enemy fighter destroyers to get away from our missiles. And PAK-DA will have no chance to get away from the rocket either due to speed or due to maneuver.

        So, the idea that PAK-DA can protect itself is rubbish.

        Although probably such a function will not be the main one for PAK-DA and radar, as well as air-to-air missiles, it will use in an emergency.

        The very idea of ​​a non-existent nuclear-powered stealth bomber is impressive.

        Subsonic speed will make it possible to cover the surface of PAK-DA with a radio-absorbing material, which, along with the unique design, will give really good low-observability indicators and it can be detected only from a very close distance.

        The appearance of the PAK-DA will often come as a surprise to our "partners".
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 18 December 2019 14: 56
          -6
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          The heavy and subsonic PAK-DA will have no chance against enemy fighters and interceptors

          They didn’t apply for the post of general designer?
          Oh, it’s painfully good ... if everything is KB
          And as soon as it occurred to them? request
          They told the nail from the little finger, and draw conclusions about the whole body.
          Well, DESIGNERS do not sit in and do not TELL EVERYTHING.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 18 December 2019 15: 24
            +3
            To make a plane you do not need to be a pilot, and to evaluate its capabilities you do not need to be a designer.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 18 December 2019 15: 27
              -2
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              To make a plane you do not need to be a pilot, and to evaluate its capabilities you do not need to be a designer.

              Aha.
              And to be able to write and read, do not need to learn letters?
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 19 December 2019 05: 18
            +1
            Quote: Lipchanin
            They didn’t apply for the post of general designer?
            Oh, it’s painfully good ... if everything is KB
            And as soon as it occurred to them?

            What do you disagree with?
            Quite right, Ratmir claims that the B-B missiles will not allow the strategic subsonic bomber to fight with enemy fighters on equal terms.
            This is obvious.
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 18 December 2019 13: 44
      +5
      Quote: Creedco
      How will it, subsonic, replace the Tu-160 and Tu-22?

      For round-the-clock patrols with cruise missiles up to 5 thousand km (or maybe higher), supersonic aircraft are not needed, at least from the point of view of economy and cheapness. So there is nothing surprising in the fact that the future aircraft will, according to its characteristics, be more in line with the Tu-95, and this was a masterpiece of aircraft manufacturing.
    4. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 18 December 2019 14: 47
      +1
      How will it, subsonic, replace the Tu-160 and Tu-22? Swans have a chip - to get over from NATO fighters, and you can not lose it.


      There is no chip in the Tu-160 in the form of stalling from enemy fighters.

      In addition to the subsonic F-35s, our opponents are full of faster fighters, in addition, in a military situation no one will catch up with the T-160 and fly next to it depicting an interception, it will simply launch missiles, and will not fly away from Tu-160 missiles.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 18 December 2019 15: 19
        -5
        F-35 supersonic aircraft
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 18 December 2019 15: 28
          +3
          F-35 supersonic aircraft


          Only afterburner and not for very long, the stealth coating does not allow him to fly on supersonic for a long time without consequences for his low visibility.

          Cruising at the F-35, like a passenger airliner - 850 km / h.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 18 December 2019 15: 29
            -3
            So in the event of a nuclear war, everyone will not care if the stealth coverage is erased in 20 years or in 5
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 18 December 2019 15: 58
              +3
              The stealth coating will fly off very quickly if the F-35 flies for a long time at supersonic sound (I suspect that it is from overheating), in addition, the fighter fighter will quickly be detected on the F-35 afterburner.

              Nuclear war is not the end of the world, just one nuclear bomb will do in one use what bombers used to do.

              The capital of Kazakhstan is located 500 km from the Semipalatinsk nuclear test site, and about 3000 people now live on Novaya Zemlya, while the USSR conducted 714 nuclear tests at these two test sites, detonating several nuclear bombs at a time.

              Plus, more than 100 peaceful nuclear explosions were fired all over the USSR.

              The USA conducted more than 1000 nuclear tests + France, Britain and all the rest.

              Nuclear war is as real as any other war without nuclear weapons.
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 18 December 2019 16: 37
                -2
                It’s one thing to blow up at a training ground, another thing is to blow up thousands of cities. Destruction of civilization and thereby warring states that will be devoured by neighbors
                1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Ratmir_Ryazan 18 December 2019 19: 44
                  0
                  And what bombing a city with air raids is much more humane than an atomic bomb?

                  Do you think the residents of Dresden were more fortunate than the residents of Hiroshima, only because their city was wiped off the face of the earth by air bombs, and not by a single nuclear bomb ?!

                  For me it’s no difference.

                  But it is necessary to prepare for war, including nuclear, and build fortifications and shelters not only for aircraft and other military equipment, but also for civilians. Bomb shelters, police stations, fire services, hospitals should all be ready for operation in a nuclear war and protected from all the damaging factors of nuclear weapons.
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 18 December 2019 23: 53
                    -1
                    The difference is huge, in one case a country seeks funds from other cities for salvation and restoration, in another case there is no help
    5. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 18 December 2019 14: 48
      +1
      Quote: Creedco
      How will it, subsonic, replace the Tu-160 and Tu-22?

      Yes, everyone will fulfill their task.
      You are not against SU and MIG? To each his own
    6. mvg
      mvg 18 December 2019 17: 36
      +1
      Does V-in also run away from missiles? What fighters if the x-101/102 launches from 5000 km?
      Only if accompanied at this time. Then in-in and to no purpose to run away.
    7. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 18 December 2019 19: 36
      -2
      you dearly cryvedko that the NATO troops gathered to drop down bombs and leave their fighters ay wake up what century is in the yard and what are the possibilities of modern air defense both here and here
      1. Cryvedco
        Cryvedco 19 December 2019 06: 26
        0
        Are you planning to use strategic aviation exclusively from your airspace?
    8. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 19 December 2019 11: 13
      0
      There is another trick .. to be discovered much later, especially, unlike the Tu-144 and Concord .. Tu160 can not fly for a long time in supersonic. This is a short-term flight mode and there is no afterburning supersound, as on the Su57.
  4. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 18 December 2019 13: 08
    +8
    Not real lines. Will not be done.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 18 December 2019 13: 16
      +3
      Quote: Alexey from Perm
      Not real lines. Will not be done.

      Do you promise or swear now? smile
      1. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 18 December 2019 14: 02
        +3
        I'm evaluating now
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 18 December 2019 14: 59
          0
          Quote: Alexey from Perm
          I'm evaluating now

          What are the criteria?
          Do you have outputs in the design bureau and the manufacturer's factory?
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 18 December 2019 14: 58
      -2
      Quote: Alexey from Perm
      Not real lines. Will not be done.

      And why? Really have something to say?
      Or blablabla?
      1. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 18 December 2019 15: 00
        +1
        I recommend that you look at the statistics of the creation of the aircraft, from the beginning of its creation to the first flight, and compare it with those stated in PAKDA, after which I think there will be no desire to ask such questions.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 18 December 2019 15: 12
          -2
          Quote: Alexey from Perm
          I recommend that you look at the statistics of the creation of the aircraft, from the beginning of the creation to the first flight, and compare with those stated in PAKDA

          I recommend not to compare incomparable. EVERY thing is done differently.
          Once again I ask, REAL data is from the KB, or from the manufacturer's factory about problems?
          some women give birth after 7 months. Are all the bastards people?
          1. Alexey from Perm
            Alexey from Perm 18 December 2019 15: 18
            0
            Just need to compare what is done realistically and in real time. It is foolish to ask about real data from the Design Bureau, if I knew I wouldn’t tell, because it is a matter of jurisdiction. Our analytics is all that rarely fails. After 2 weeks 2020, the first prototype was announced by 2021-2022.))) For 2 years, a new aircraft from scratch ?? Laughed with your gullibility))
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 18 December 2019 15: 23
              -3
              Quote: Alexey from Perm
              Our analytics is all that rarely fails.

              RZHUNEMAGU laughing
              I've heard enough of this "analyst" ...
              laughing
              Well, who is this "analyst"? Not from the Pentagon? laughing
              1. Alexey from Perm
                Alexey from Perm 18 December 2019 15: 35
                -2
                no, not from the pentagon ..
  5. cniza
    cniza 18 December 2019 13: 12
    +5
    The rollout of the first prototype of the aircraft is scheduled for 2021-2022.


    I'd like it to happen.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 18 December 2019 13: 49
      0
      Quote: cniza
      I'd like it to happen.

      Something will be created and rolled out. In terms of how it turns out, today guess, don’t guess when it’s ready, then it will happen.
      It is not entirely clear why such a concept was adopted, the subsonic, flying wing?
      There used to be a concept higher, farther, faster! We will see.
      1. cniza
        cniza 18 December 2019 14: 12
        +1
        There used to be a concept higher, farther, faster!


        And how can he replace it on the sound ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 December 2019 14: 25
          +2
          Here I come to that, Tu 160, Tu 22, it was designed as an air defense breakthrough aircraft, high, fast ... of course, now, the development of air defense systems is such that they can only be fired from afar, before entering the air defense zone and quickly wound up, so that the answer did not catch up! But in the launch zone, the most unexpected, they can move very quickly.
          And the new one, sneaked into a quiet glanders and did everything ??? So anyway, modern air defense cannot pass anything big through its ranks, it’s not real, there are no absolute invisibles ....
          1. cniza
            cniza 18 December 2019 14: 36
            +2
            There is someone to think and make decisions, and we? we will guess ...
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 18 December 2019 15: 05
            0
            Quote: rocket757
            it’s not real,

            And it was "not realistic" to launch a man into space.
            But they launched it.
            And it was "not realistic" to place missiles on the submarine.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 18 December 2019 15: 03
          +3
          Quote: cniza
          And how can he replace it on the sound ...

          And if he flies to the adversary from the other side? After all, there are practically no air defense and missile defense there.
          Don't wait from there request
          1. cniza
            cniza 18 December 2019 15: 19
            0
            There are fathers — let the commanders think. yes
  6. Alien From
    Alien From 18 December 2019 13: 14
    +4
    "I want to believe" ...... what else can you say ....))
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 18 December 2019 13: 16
    -5
    Not fed up with empty promises? ... fool
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 18 December 2019 15: 06
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Not fed up with empty promises?

      "Eat Yasha Turyu"
      Do your homework
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 18 December 2019 15: 15
        +2
        Lipchanin, poke not tired? How much did the T50 promise us, aka Su57, the beginning of entry into the troops from 2013? Next year aviation will receive ONE serial! !!!! Although, to whom I am writing. ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 18 December 2019 15: 23
          -3
          Quote: Thrifty
          Lipchanin, poke not tired?

          And how comes around
          !! Although, to whom I am writing. ...

          Better to go to the village for a grandfather named "FSE LOST"
          1. Thrifty
            Thrifty 18 December 2019 15: 41
            +1
            Lipchanin, but besides it’s all gone, what are the arguments? I repeat, on the Internet there are a lot of statements from cones of all bridges that in 2013 the T50, now he will go to the army Su57! Next year, ONE plane will be built and delivered! Next year we have2020 !!! What do you say on the topic in response? ????
        2. ultra
          ultra 18 December 2019 16: 16
          0
          Quote: Thrifty
          beginning of entry into the troops - from 2013

          13 years nowhere and never figured. 15 years, but was in the plans.
  8. Nikolay87
    Nikolay87 18 December 2019 13: 23
    0
    how does hunting look at its vernal appearance.
  9. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 18 December 2019 13: 34
    0
    In the year 22 roll out? I just don’t believe it. Yes, one engine should take at least ten years. However, that they just did not promise us ...
  10. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 18 December 2019 13: 37
    +6
    Well, good luck! good
  11. kit88
    kit88 18 December 2019 13: 41
    +7
    To be honest, this is an interview for Pioneer Truth.
    So almost a year later we are waiting for the rollout of the first sample.
    In January, the Design Bureau completed the transfer of documentation ... In which January? What does it mean ending up?
    Armed with not only hypersound, but also explosive rockets .....? And the usual is not hypersound will not be?
    No need for cover, because there are missiles of class BB ....? The subsonic bomber will defeat everyone in aerial combat. All these 16th, 35th and other 22nd. Yeah, we believe with pleasure.
    In short, all the Pioneers were inspired by the idea of ​​invincibility and legend and are moving towards new achievements.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 18 December 2019 13: 54
      +1
      Quote: kit88
      The subsonic bomber will defeat everyone in aerial combat.

      From time to time there are messages, promises, reports, about miscellaneous.
      Not so long ago it was reported that it would be atmospheric and very fast ... now about not fast and flying like that somewhere ???
      Many questions, more than answers. Missing, inquisitive brains, do not give.
  12. askort154
    askort154 18 December 2019 13: 46
    +2
    The rollout of the first prototype of the aircraft is scheduled for 2021-2022 .....

    It turns out that the real work on it has been going on for a long time. Usually it takes 10-15 years to create a new sample. If the engine is already there, then less. But as life shows, the creation of new samples does not take place without shifting the graphs to the right, both in our country and abroad. And it is better to postpone readiness in a series than many years of subsequent refinements and treatment of "diseases".
  13. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 18 December 2019 13: 58
    +4

    Oh, these tales, oh, these storytellers
  14. Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 18 December 2019 14: 11
    0
    I think a supersonic bomber is also necessary, the same Tu-160M2 is quite capable of solving the problems of modern time. Well, or Tu-22M3, in the end, the strategist will not be all and work alone everywhere.
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 18 December 2019 14: 12
    +13
    The main characteristics:
    1) flying wing
    2) stealth
    3) subsonic.
    Like it or not, you get B-2 / B-21
    1. Aqr009
      Aqr009 18 December 2019 14: 28
      -2
      Keyword - get it! good
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 18 December 2019 18: 51
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Like it or not, you get B-2 / B-21

      Quote: Aqr009
      Keyword - get it! good

      the price tag is the same apiece will or how?
  16. DAC scratch
    DAC scratch 18 December 2019 14: 36
    0
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    The old concept broke through the supersonic air defense, and the new one will creep up to the launch line. So probably.

    this is our new one, we just took the American b-2 project, that's all
  17. DAC scratch
    DAC scratch 18 December 2019 14: 37
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The main characteristics:
    1) flying wing
    2) stealth
    3) subsonic.
    Like it or not, you get B-2 / B-21

    duchtob to heighten everything to copy from b 52 to b1a
  18. Kunica
    Kunica 18 December 2019 14: 47
    +1
    Now the news that the TU 160 has left the anti-aircraft fighter planes is happy, and they want to make the new machine subsonic. Has the concept of air warfare changed so much?
    1. mso.716
      mso.716 18 December 2019 15: 00
      +2
      Nothing has changed .. All the same fiction
  19. DAC scratch
    DAC scratch 18 December 2019 14: 59
    +2
    Quote: Marten
    Now the news that the TU 160 has left the anti-aircraft fighter planes is happy, and they want to make the new machine subsonic. Has the concept of air warfare changed so much?

    so it was a duck that everyone here fell for
  20. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 18 December 2019 15: 04
    +2
    maybe something will happen ...

    but still I think that it will turn out to be a bully)))
    1. ltc35
      ltc35 18 December 2019 17: 22
      0
      Interesting concept. That would be to realize! Futuristic.
    2. Lunt
      Lunt 19 December 2019 05: 14
      -1
      Jet airplanes - yesterday. It is necessary to make devices on electro-magnetism (antigravity).
  21. Pavel57
    Pavel57 18 December 2019 15: 27
    +1
    0. The range of weapons should include both hypersonic weapons and air-to-air missiles

    It's been asking for a long time.
  22. amr
    amr 18 December 2019 15: 31
    +3
    Well, promise not to mean getting married .... unfortunately ((
  23. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 18 December 2019 15: 39
    +3
    "Ninety-fifths", of course, is high time to change. The veteran is asking for a well-deserved rest.
    But the "twenty-second" may well "shake the old days". Although, they say, not a very comfortable car for the crew.
    Why replace the "white swans" is a mystery to me. The apotheosis of our design thought. A plane that really has no competitors, at least not yet ...
    Moreover, a program has been adopted to modernize existing ones and build new ones.
    Apparently, the authorities know better.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 18 December 2019 19: 48
      +1
      That's it, why change? Restore production technology and parallel to the new do-2 is better than one.
  24. fa2998
    fa2998 18 December 2019 16: 23
    +4
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Not familiar.

    I think this news is among Rogozin's "fairy tales" that we will soon build a lunar station. wassat hi
  25. Voyager
    Voyager 18 December 2019 17: 09
    0
    I think 3-5 years should be added and it will be normal.
  26. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 18 December 2019 17: 31
    0
    I am sure there will be a handsome, formidable strategist, like his ancestors! Well, God forbid ..
    And I also feel that he will go ahead of schedule for testing and on duty to defend Russia hi
    Now, of course, start kicking, where are we going to the USA, etc. But I believe in our designers, the majority work for the idea .. The threat is growing over our Fatherland and men need to hurry. soldier
  27. evgen1221
    evgen1221 18 December 2019 19: 46
    0
    Well, well, if they roll out a flying sample by the deadline, then I believe that my country is strong.
  28. Ant137
    Ant137 18 December 2019 22: 24
    0
    If they started to do, then they will.
    Big, heavy and slow - will he pull the laser complex?
    The designers probably thought about this.
  29. Lunt
    Lunt 19 December 2019 05: 11
    0
    The Americans have already patented a device such as the TR-3B Astra, and we are building all jet planes. Yes, and subsonic ...
  30. Nait
    Nait 19 December 2019 07: 08
    0
    Quote: Flood
    Quite right, Ratmir claims that the B-B missiles will not allow the strategic subsonic bomber to fight with enemy fighters on equal terms.
    This is obvious.

    Type air-to-air fired at the target from the Su-30 is somewhat different from the same missile fired
    with a bomber? For the purpose it is equally difficult.
    The main thing is to find the target.
    It will not be superfluous for anyone.

    But such terms are not believed.
    They will again cut the engine until blue, cover .....
  31. Skubudu
    Skubudu 19 December 2019 12: 09
    0
    Quote: opus
    Quote: Skubudu
    A stealth subsonic bomber is easier to create than a stealth fighter with a speed of 2max +

    Yeah?
    And so to see Northrop B-2 Spirit was worth $ 2,7982 billion (without NICOR) and there are only 21 of them
    https://fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-2.htm
    in contrast to $ 146,2 million (for 2008) (excluding NICOR)
    Lockheed / Boeing F-22 Raptor (195 pieces)
    ?
    Quote: Skubudu
    so in theory it should be easier than with the SU-57

    conversely

    The main requirements that are practically incompatible with each other should be implemented in the 5th Generation Fighter, invisibility, super maneuverability and afterburning supersonic flight at the same time with afterburner maximum speed 2.4 + max, AFAR, network-centricity .. Everything must be observed: Actually unique engines, aerodynamics glider, structural strength, AFAR Radar, avionics guided weapons.
    And what are the requirements for a stealth bomber?
    Maybe the Bomber will need to test 10g and not fall apart in the air, go out at a speed of 2.5 + max to warm up to critical temperatures from friction? Shunting air battles?
    The only requirements are:
    1. Invisibility, which is achieved easily due to the fact that the Subsonic bomber does not have to experience enormous loads on the glider, nor overloads nor high temperatures, which are critical for polymers and radar absorbing coatings.
    2. The design "flying wing" itself creates a large lift, so it is easy to realize a large payload and a large amount of fuel. There is no need for strong composites, which are used on the 5th generation fighter, because there are no speeds of maneuvers and overloads in places where a fighter is forced to use metal due to the inability of any composite to withstand the load in these places, the bomber does not have such loads and there it is possible to build from a composite, which facilitates the reduction of the RCS in general.
    He cannot and does not need to make maneuvers.
    He doesn’t have an AFAR radar, he can’t fly into battle with anyone, unloads the bomb or launches missiles and that’s all ... There are no explosive guidance systems for these missiles, etc.
    The bomber is just an invisible truck from point A to point B.
  32. Valdaev
    Valdaev 19 December 2019 12: 47
    0
    most likely it will not exist at all, and even more so in these terms
  33. Izzy Gubinstein
    Izzy Gubinstein 19 December 2019 16: 09
    0
    in the translation into Russian - in 2024 the door will be bent over Putin and in 2027 yavgei will hand over to the scrap box fag