India announces systematic import substitution of BrahMos rocket components

In India, they announced the systematic “import substitution” (in another interpretation, “nationalization”) of the components of BrahMos supersonic missiles. This is a Russian-Indian anti-ship missile. India recently conducted another test of an updated version of the BrahMos-A air and ground-based missiles.

It is reported that the aircraft-based missile variant was tested using a Su-30MKI fighter, and the ground-based one using a launcher at the Chandipur training ground in Odish.

From the press service of the Indian Ministry of Defense:

Most of the rocket components are manufactured in India, including the rocket glider, fuel management system and sensors developed by DRDO (Defense Research and Development Organization - approx. “VO”). DRDO follows the path of import substitution (nationalization) of various components and subsystems of BrahMos, including a targeting system. New components were first tested in 2018.

In turn, the DRDO reported that the tests of two versions of anti-ship missiles were successful: the targets were hit.

It is noted that the use of missiles from the Su-30MKI missile hit the surface target with high accuracy. It is added that the tests aviation version of the rocket speaks of the high modernization potential of BrahMos.

Recall that against this background, India is trying to unilaterally discuss export contracts for BrahMos jointly developed missiles. One of the areas where New Delhi is so active is South America.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

Decals will be exclusively and exclusively made in India!

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

I don’t understand what such indulgence is based on. India recently with its anti-missile defense missile launched a satellite from orbit. Prior to this, only China and the United States could do this. And we?

[Vladimir_2U]

The USSR did this with a guarantee, I think Russia will do it, and maybe already, for example, intercepting the BB ICBMs is much more difficult. As for the Indians, they are peculiar guys and very boastful, you can pin up!

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The USSR did this guaranteed

No, I didn't. The USSR tested the device (IS), which was launched into orbit, synchronized its orbit with the target satellite (in one or two revolutions around the Earth), then hit it. This is not the same as intercepting a satellite with an anti-missile, such a system cannot be used as an anti-missile defense system (ICBMs will not wait while the orbit is synchronized with them).

[Vladimir_2U]

March 26, 2018 in Plesetsk conducted the sixth test of the A-235 missile and the first made with a standard mobile launcher [11]. On January 18, 2019, the American CNBC channel, citing sources in the intelligence community, reported on the successful test of the anti-satellite interception rocket in December 2018 [12].

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

India recently with its anti-missile defense missile shot down a satellite

According to the materials presented, it can be said that India has successfully tested a three-stage anti-satellite missile using a kinetic damaging element to destroy satellites (it affects the target with a strike) Well, if a three-stage rocket launched from a cosmodrome is a missile defense missile, then what is Nudol? "Ferrari" against a "humpback constipation" background!

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Nudol, with all due respect, has not yet demonstrated a single downed satellite.

[hrych]

What are you talking about? Do we set Indian space achievements as an example?

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

India recently with its anti-missile defense missile launched a satellite from orbit. Prior to this, only China and the United States could do this. And we?

In 1965, the creation of the space-rocket complex began to launch the spacecraft-interceptor into orbit. 55 years ago so At the same time, the Cosmos-394 target spacecraft was also created. A total of 19 spacecraft interceptors were launched, of which 11 were recognized as successful. Now Nudol is tested and put into service. The system is new, classified, and the layman does not have to know the details of the tests. Therefore, read the news about it in the foreign press and do not fantasize.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: hrych

The system is new, classified, and the layman does not have to know the details of the tests.

That's just to bring down the satellite imperceptibly impossible. NORAD monitors the state of all objects in orbit that are larger than 10 cm in size. So it’s pointless to refer to secrecy, there is no evidence that any Russian systems were able to shoot down a satellite with a missile defense system, which means they didn’t bring it down.

As for the Soviet developments, I wrote above - do not confuse them with missile defense.

That "the work is being carried out as expected" also does not change the fact that at the moment exactly three countries were able to shoot down a satellite with an anti-missile, and Russia is not among them, but India is included. It's just a fact.

[hrych]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

NORAD tracks

Traced in 1965? Unlike the dim-witted Chinese and, worse than the Indians, Russia is a powerful space power, has hundreds of satellites and manned astronautics, so blowing up satellites is more expensive by trashing orbit with debris. Therefore, I will teach you. Smart and advanced use a simulator target. For example, the false goals of ICBMs, both light and heavy. Lungs - an inflated cone made of foil, in orbit does not differ from the BB or small satellite, in dimensions, reflected by the radio signal, in the visible and IR spectrum, even in shape. Amazing these things when tested by a missile defense, as well as a BB or low-orbit satellite. Severe false targets are suitable for interception in the upper atmosphere, but with a minimum of debris and the result is the same. And the Russian Federation withdrew inspector satellites, they change their orbit, fly up to an enemy satellite, inspect and liquidate if necessary. Quite scared of the Americans. And if the launch of Nudoli was even more successful, then it struck what was needed ...

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

It’s sad, while other countries flaunt facts, flaunt assumptions, speculations and assumptions. Especially considering how often assumptions, conjectures and assumptions do not subsequently coincide with reality. They often do not coincide with reality, of course, for everyone. Not only with us. But with us too. Therefore, solid facts matter first. And on the pure facts in the field of missile defense, India is at the moment ahead.

[hrych]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

how other countries flaunt

That's why bravado is that there is emptiness behind it. Real things are not publicized, but vice versa ... We have many years of experience in space research, which no one has, except that the United States. But one hell they fly to the station built on our patterns, on our rockets, descend on our landing modules and even defecate in our space toilets, their forever fail. Their carriers Atlases and Antares fly on our engines, etc. So then the USA, and here you are trying to include us as an example of Chinese and Indians The Chinese have advanced in falsifications, ala the American lunar program. All right, American punctures, then the level of combined surveys was weak and there was no computer processing, but these ... Earth without an atmosphere, bubbles, etc. Now about the hard facts. An anti-missile is a relatively simple thing, and most importantly a control and guidance system. Do the Indo-Chinese have a similar Don-2N radar? Do the Indo-Chinese have similar "Darials", "Voronezh", "Wave" and "Container"? Is there a system similar to "Window", and "Krone", and "Dniester", and "Volga", and "Danube"? What are you talking about? The interceptor missile is relatively simple, so even the Americans cannot compare with us in these technologies. The Chinese could not copy the S-300, it turned out to be dull manure, they were forced to buy the S-400, knowing that at the right time we would turn them off, and you climbed into the missile defense system to set them as an example Just some kind of horror. We already protect our mines with combat lasers that there is an air defense / missile defense system Relight, and you ...

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

I do not agree with the thesis that bravado is that there is emptiness behind it. Are we likewise flaunting our manned space program, our rocket engines, the void behind this bravado? On the contrary, this bravado is completely deserved, because the facts are behind it. It’s hard to argue with these facts. It is possible, of course, but it will look unconvincing. And just how unconvincing the attempts to argue with these facts look, the debate with the fact that India, China, the United States shot down the satellite with a missile defense, and we do not look so unconvincing.

[hrych]

The fact of the matter is that our shy ones are keeping quiet, and Trump, the ghost of McCain-Hamlet’s father, is outraged that the Russians are paid for hitchhiking and engines.

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

the argument with the fact that India, China, the United States shot down a satellite with a missile defense and we do not, is unconvincing.

Do you have any understanding? 11 target satellites shot down in the seventies, missed eight

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

I have a normal understanding, so I always emphasize - missile defense. Although, it would seem, he emphasized this more than once.

I don’t see how our modests keep quiet. On the contrary, they often overdo it. But this is, as they say, a matter of taste. But there are objective reasons. From the last:

[hrych]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

I therefore always emphasize - anti-missile

And does the KA-orbital interceptor fly on an anti-gravity machine or stupa of Baba Yaga? This is precisely the last stage of the anti-missile or GOS with kinetic, shrapnel or nuclear impact on the target. Do you want, I admit our backlog from India? Feel better?

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

The KA-orbital interceptor cannot serve as a missile defense element, because the ICBM will not wait until the KA-orbital interceptor synchronizes the orbit with it. Moreover, while it synchronizes the orbit with the target satellite, winding coils around the Earth, it can be shot down by a missile defense.

[Stena]

Quote: hrych

This is precisely the last stage of the anti-missile or GOS with kinetic, shrapnel or nuclear impact on the target. Do you want, I admit our backlog from India? Feel better?

I respect your patience, but in this case - "not a horse feed".
In matters of space - sensible special - Slipped, here on the site.

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Therefore, solid facts matter first. And on the pure facts in the field of missile defense, India is at the moment ahead.

Has anyone seen your brain? First of all - you yourself? No. So the fact is - there is - no brain. Just like in town:

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Do you know how logic works? "Entities should not be multiplied beyond what is necessary." (Occam's Razor) Studies (autopsy, tomography) have shown that a person who has demonstrated the ability to basic life, always has a brain. To assume the absence of a brain in a single person, capable of at least putting letters into words, is to introduce a new entity. At the same time, out of ~ 200 countries existing on Earth, the absolute majority do not have workable missile defense systems of their own design. Therefore, the assumption that any given country has a workable missile defense system is the introduction of a new entity, and it requires a necessity, and the necessity follows from the demonstrated fact.

[Stena]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Do you know how logic works?

Your logic - it works like a drawbar.

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Assume the absence of a brain in a single person, capable of at least folding letters into words - introducing a new entity.

You believe an autopsy in which you did not participate, but do not believe in something that is not written in the public domain (because not everything that is accessible is useful). That is, I believe in one place, I don’t believe in another.

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Assume the absence of a brain in a single person, capable of at least folding letters into words - introducing a new entity.

Twenty five again! Do not define the term, but claim that you have logic. What new entity have you introduced here?
No need to climb into areas where formal logic does not work. And also with his charter in a foreign monastery.

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Moreover, of the ~ 200 countries existing on Earth, the absolute majority does not have efficient missile defense systems of their own design.

Deception in the first part of the sentence and in the second.
Sophistry is complete. Probably working as a judge of the world. Or maybe you combine with activities at the Higher School of Economics. There are also talkers, distinguished by intelligence and quick wits, over the edge ...

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Stena

Do you believe the autopsy that you didn’t participate in

I believe in the principles of the scientific method. Including the part of it on which research is conducted, verified and included in the scientific picture of the world. The scientific method is fruitful in practice, and its fruits I directly observe around myself every second. That is, my opinion about the presence of the brain is based on the facts that I observe, and a chain of reasoning that includes only the required number of entities.

Quote: Stena

but do not believe in something that is not written in the public domain (For not everything that is available is useful).

It has nothing to do with it. I did not deny a single thesis on the grounds that it is not in the public domain. I denied the thesis that Russia secretly shot down a satellite with a missile defense, since the orbit space is under very careful control. The content of secret documents is meaningless to deny; they may contain either one statement or the opposite in meaning - there is no way to find out.

What new entity have you introduced here?

Something that is not the brain, but allows some people to put letters into words.

Deception in the first part of the sentence and in the second.
Sophistry is complete. Probably working as a judge of the world. Or maybe you combine with activities at the Higher School of Economics. There are also talkers, distinguished by intelligence and quick wits, over the edge ...

I would try to argue, but, alas, I did not find a meaningful thesis.

[Stena]

[quote = Vyacheslav Viktorovich] It has nothing to do with it. I have not denied a single thesis on the grounds that it is not in the public domain. [/ q
Again a lie!
[quote = Vyacheslav Viktorovich] "Nudol", with all due respect, has not yet demonstrated a single shot down satellite. [/ quote]
Your words? Yours.
Do you have reliable information about what Nudol demonstrated? No. And your conclusion is unambiguous.
And it should be - the degree of possibility. This is by formal logic. But not flawed.
[quote = Vyacheslav Viktorovich] I believe in the principles of the scientific method. Including that part of it, on which research is carried out, verified and included in the scientific picture of the world. The scientific method is fruitful in practice, and I directly observe its fruits around me every second. That is, my opinion about the presence of a brain is based on the facts that I observe and a chain of reasoning that includes only the necessary number of entities. [/ Quote]
It is a myth. And Gödel's theorems confirm this. But if the nose is not mature - then where are you, and where is Gödel ...
[quote = Vyacheslav Viktorovich] Something that is not a brain, but allows some person to put letters into words. [/ quote]
Nonsense is complete. This is reason and speechless. Introduced to you. Again the question - what new entity did you introduce?
[quote = Vyacheslav Viktorovich] I would try to object, but, alas, I did not find a meaningful thesis. [/ quote]
Rummage somewhere in the field of the number of countries on Earth ...
[quote = Vyacheslav Viktorovich] the absolute majority do not have workable missile defense systems of their own design [/ quote]
And in the field of workable missile defense.
Someone and firecrackers - already missile defense. And to someone:
[quote = grunt] 11 target satellites shot down in the seventies [/ quote]
not a result.
Do not meddle in particular if you do not see the community.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Do you have reliable information about what Nudol demonstrated? No. And your conclusion is unambiguous.

You are substituting concepts. I deny that Nudol did not show the satellite was shot down, not because I did not see the documents, which would say that it shot down the satellite. I deny that Nudol did not demonstrate a satellite shot down, because it is impossible to shoot down a single satellite without being noticed, the entire orbital space is controlled.

And it should be - the degree of possibility.

Naturally. And to the degree of possibility, you can apply the rule that events with a probability below a certain level in practice should be accepted as impossible (in science, this statement is based on the "rule of three sigma". And the Higgs boson, for example, was fixed with an error probability of less than 5 sigma, and announced proved its existence).

It is a myth. And Gödel's theorems confirm this.

How do Gödel's theorems contradict my thesis? (None.)

Rummage somewhere in the field of the number of countries on Earth ...

197 recognized countries.

11 target satellites shot down in the seventies

I answered about the Soviet anti-satellite program at least 2 times I will not repeat.

Introduced to you.

Occam's razor is not related to dates.

[Stena]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

I deny that Nudol did not demonstrate a satellite shootdown, because it is impossible to shoot down a single satellite without being noticed, the entire orbital space is controlled.

Incorrect initial data give incorrect conclusions.

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

And to the degree of possibility, you can apply the rule that events with a probability below a certain level in practice should be accepted as impossible (in science, this statement is based on the "three sigma rule"

You are confused in terms. Do you understand the difference between a rule and an assumption? Apparently not. And about three deviations and about "the grandmother said in two", apparently also not.

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

How do Gödel's theorems contradict my thesis?

You do not have any theses - but there are unfounded assumptions - OBS - "one grandmother said."
But that's nothing, isn't it? Young, fool, never more. The main thing is to knock out the grant, and then if something happens - "well, I didn't, I didn't." This is if the inspectors turn out to be sensible. And if not then - pseudoscience. What are you doing hard.
In general - as it was said earlier - "not in the horse feed".
Well, you keep observing.
From the rubric - "Meli Emelya is your week".

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

You have no abstract

Here is the thesis:

[I trust scientific data, even if I was not present at the experiment personally because] The scientific method is fruitful in practice, and I directly observe its results every second around me. That is, my opinion about the presence of the brain is based on the facts that I observe, and a chain of reasoning that includes only the necessary number of entities.

Here is an attempt to counterargument:

It is a myth. And Gödel's theorems confirm this.

How do Gödel's theorems contradict the thesis?

You are confused in terms. Do you understand the difference between a rule and an assumption?

Understand. Where have I mixed up the rule and the assumption?

Incorrect initial data give incorrect conclusions.

Where is the error in the source data?

[Stena]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Where is the error in the source data?

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

the entire space of the orbit is controlled.

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Understand. Where have I mixed up the rule and the assumption?

Everywhere.

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

I see.

No, you don’t understand. Look somewhere in the field of set theory. As well as in the field of axiomatics and the construction of modern scientific theories.
Note - not the theory of probability and mat. statistics. And not this nonsense about significance levels and representativeness of samples in relation to society and distorted and hidden initial data. ...
It's boring with you. Such a dialogue is like a blind person with a deaf person.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Stena

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Where is the error in the source data?

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

the entire space of the orbit is controlled.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/news/orbital_debris.html
DoD's Space Surveillance Network tracks discrete objects as small as 2 inches (5 centimeters) in diameter in low Earth orbit and about 1 yard (1 meter) in geosynchronous orbit. Currently, about 15,000 officially cataloged objects are still in orbit. The total number of tracked objects exceeds 21,000.

Quote: Stena

Look somewhere in the field of set theory. As well as in the field of axiomatics and the construction of modern scientific theories.

I know what is stated in Godel’s theorems, and how they relate to the criticism of scientific theories. They do not contradict my thesis.

[hrych]

And this is about works on the anti-satellite complex based on the stratospheric Mig-31
https://topwar.ru/147701-mig-31-sovershil-polet-s-protivosputnikovoj-raketoj.html
Also, the S-500 will acquire an atmospheric rocket. Work is being done as expected. Indo-Chinese however

[Vladimir_2U]

Strange, there is no information that the Indians shot down the satellite immediately, maybe they drove the interceptor to it for a week.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Here is what they wrote here:

https://topwar.ru/156259-indija-stuchitsja-v-dveri-kluba-kosmicheskih-sverhderzhav.html

from the moment of the launch of the rocket to the destruction of the satellite passed 3 minutes, interception at an altitude of ~ 283,5 km and a range of ~ 450 km from the launch site

[Vladimir_2U]

Believe the words of the Prime Minister of India and the computer video! No, I'm serious. But three steps and a launch from the spaceport - this is not a missile defense!

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Nudol is also being tested from Plesetsk, I see no problem.
The missile defense is characterized not by the number of stages but by the tasks being solved. We can say for sure that it will be of small mass, because the kinetic defeat does not require the removal of a heavy rod or high-explosive fragmentation warhead.

[cost]

Vladimir_2U (Vladimir): I think Russia will cope, and maybe already

Vladimir Maybe already

"During a missile test, the Indian military destroyed a space satellite, which was in low-earth orbit at an altitude of 300 km," Prime Minister Narendra Modi said in an address to the nation. He called it a major breakthrough in the country's space program, Reuters reports. .. The mission was not directed against any particular country.
Modi stressed that this way India became the fourth countrywhich successfully tested an anti-satellite weapon.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

The fourth, "which successfully tested anti-satellite weapons," but the third, which shot down the satellite with an anti-missile.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

but the third that shot down the satellite with a missile defense

"About what exactly was the Indian anti-satellite rocket today practically nothing is known "
Not a missile defense, but an anti-satellite missile. Your link.
https://topwar.ru/156259-indija-stuchitsja-v-dveri-kluba-kosmicheskih-sverhderzhav.html

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

The Indian Foreign Ministry has officially said that this is a missile defense.

https://www.mea.gov.in/press-releases.htm?dtl/31179/Frequently_Asked_Questions_on_Mission_Shakti_Indias_AntiSatellite_Missile_test_conducted_on_27_March_2019

III. Which Missile / Interceptor was used?

The drdo's Ballistic Missile Defense interceptor was used, which is part of the ongoing ballistic missile defense program.

[Vladimir_2U]

Respect, not everyone can do it with foreign sources, but can an Indian interceptor "kill" BB ICBMs? This is not in your link, perhaps because in fact a three-stage rocket launched from the cosmodrome is not a missile defense missile, it may be an experimental one. Missile missile defense the first place should "be able" to shoot down flying BBs.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Thank you.

Satellite interception is a model for intercepting a ballistic missile in the middle of its trajectory. Moreover, the rocket moves more slowly, because if it moves with the speed of the satellite, it will not fall on the target. If the anti-missile was able to target the satellite and shoot it down with an accurate hit by a kinetic warhead ("shoot down a bullet with a bullet," as they call it), then it is capable of intercepting an ICBM in the middle section.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Satellite interception is a model of interception of a ballistic missile in the middle part of the trajectory

But the boundary of interception has been made in this case should be very far. The issue of intercepting bursting BBs has not been resolved.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

This does not detract from the value of interception in the middle section and the success that was achieved in the test.

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, well done, but braggart too!

[Vladimir_2U]

I saw that the launch site ind. ASAT does not need any objections to this item. ))) By the way, ASAT !!! Anti-satellite even in the name of the rocket.

[RUSS]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The USSR did this guaranteed, I think Russia can do it

2018g
In Russia, they pleaded guilty to the failure of the MiG-29K in India, the manufacturer (MiG Corporation) is to blame for India's refusal to supply the Soviet (Russian) carrier-based fourth-generation MiG-29K multi-role fighter

India decided to abandon the use of the MiG-29K. Replacement for Russian aircraft will be selected during the tender. In total, India received 45 MiG-29K units from Russia. Deliveries did not provide for aircraft maintenance, which had to be paid separately. In the "MiG" are denied problems with the delivered fighters.

In April, India suspended cooperation with Russia on the FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) project, which involves the creation of the first fifth-generation Indian fighter based on the Russian Su-57.

[venik]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

India recently with its anti-missile defense missile launched a satellite from orbit. Prior to this, only China and the United States could do this. And we?

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IS (Satellite Fighter) - a series of Soviet interceptor satellites. The idea of ​​the complex was proposed by V. N. Chelomey. The complex was put into service in 1978 and stood on alert until 1993.

USA "repeated the success" - 13 years later! You can read more on the same site !!! (https://topwar.ru/97182-istrebitel-sputnikov-polet.html)
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"...The modified project (A-235 "Nudol") is already being implemented as a multifunctional system anti-ballistic and anti-space defense, the combat capabilities of which allow her to fight not only against ballistic aerospace targets, but also against maneuverable manned and unmanned spacecraft[b] (https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/149632/)

PS Learn the materiel! And you will be happy ....
In the meantime, sorry: "-"

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

You should read at least a couple of the following comments. Although really, why?

[TermNachTer]

No, well, maybe a couple of details will be bought from the Jews - and that’s all ... Made in India))))

[Revolver]

Turkeys they are such turkeys.

[rotmistr60]

If you need to be happy for the Indian missiles - you can be happy. If you need to doubt, you can doubt it.

India is trying to unilaterally discuss export contracts for BrahMos jointly-developed missiles

When jointly developing and purchasing weapons, India has repeatedly shown that it refers to this as a dance - I want to dance, I want to not let others dance.

[bessmertniy]

Well, just like a girl of hard behavior! Which either does not persuade or drags herself to the crib.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Recall that against this background, India is trying to unilaterally discuss export contracts for BrahMos jointly developed missiles.

Come on! Buy it! Raaakeeet! Who needs raaakety? Good! Sooo good raaakety!

[eagle owl]

Recall that against this background, India is trying to unilaterally discuss export contracts.

Greed - gives rise to poverty. The 5th generation is precisely by its cunning ... by crap you ALREADY galloped. And this is just the beginning

[rocket757]

Recall that against this background, India is trying to unilaterally discuss export contracts for BrahMos jointly developed missiles.

What's this? Like, they not only know how to dance with a tambourine, but they also want to try / play scammers too?
Guys need to be more careful, misunderstandings are not needed here.