Nationalization of the elites: children of Soviet leaders in the Great Patriotic War

One of the difficult issues discussed today in relation to the development of Russia is connected with the so-called nationalization of elites. To put it simply, it is up to individual officials to start talking about patriotism, the need to develop the Russian economy and the sphere of social protection, while directing their children to study in the West, having accounts in foreign banks, and elite foreign real estate. In this case, the "patriotic" message of the official himself looks like open hypocrisy.

The Day channel examines the situation that took place in the USSR in the 1940s. We are talking about the situation when the children of even the first persons of the state went to the front, and often far from in an "elitist" capacity. As an example - the sons of Joseph Stalin. The same Vasily Stalin, who graduated from the Kachin flight school, has been on the fronts of the Second World War since the summer of 1942. He ended the war in 1945 - the victorious Berlin offensive operation.

Mikhail Kostrikov (candidate historical Sciences) makes a presentation of his report, which in full version will be announced at the Stalinist readings in Moscow on December 22. The report is devoted precisely to the fact that the children of Soviet leaders for the most part did not evade and did not intend to evade military duty during the Great Patriotic War. We will also talk about those people who were brought up in the families of party leaders, having lost relatives and friends in different years.

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[Aleksandre]

They compared, as they say, the ass with a finger. It was really an elite, and at this historical moment there is an exceptionally pop-up g, greedy for insanity and also a thief.

[Flooding]

Quote: Aleksandre

It was really an elite, and at this historical moment there is an exceptionally pop-up g, greedy for insanity and also a thief.

In our powerlessness, we can call them anything you like, at least g.
They are neither cold nor hot from this.
A meaningless lesson. It is necessary to grow and educate an alternative elite from below.

[boxwood]

Buddy! Unable to read. Open the dictionary. Look at the spelling "meaningless", "powerlessness". Don't put us to shame.

[Flooding]

Quote: bossi

Buddy! Unable to read. Open the dictionary. Look at the spelling "meaningless", "powerlessness". Don't put us to shame.

Yes, you will not be disgraced, man.
Read the classics in the old edition.
The rule of writing is thoughtlessly, thoughtlessly during the post-revolutionary reform.
What for? I think only for one reason - the fight against "religious dope".
Since it did not at all simplify the spelling, but, on the contrary, complicated it.
While the task was completely different.
I can, of course, be mistaken.
But basically I write as I consider it true.
But not correct by modern standards.
Sorry, I can't help myself. Please do not consider trolling.
I usually try to avoid these words for this reason.
Not always a success.
Let's assume that I wrote "infirmities" and ... Well, think of something yourself.

[zavyalov4leksandr]

Read the classics in the old edition.

- maybe remember the Old Slavonic in order to justify your illiteracy?

What for? I think only for one reason - the fight against "religious dope"

Another attempt to pull the owl onto the globe. No fight against religion has anything to do with it. Firstly, the rule of voicing or stunning prefixes ending in a consonant applies to ALL such prefixes, and not only to "no-" or "no-" - for example "racessay "but"timeseal. "Secondly, if the prefix" bes- "were chosen on the principle of" fighting religious dope, "then it would be used in all words in the same way. But for some reason there is a word in modern language."devilmeaningful "but there is a word"withoutliterate".

Since it did not at all simplify the spelling, but, on the contrary, complicated it.

- is also wrong. This rule just simplified the language. More precisely, it made the spelling of the word correspond to its sound. When spoken, the word "meaningless" is pronounced "meaningless" due to the natural process of stunning the consonant behind it. It is very easy to remember the rule itself - if after the prefix there is a voiced vowel - it is written "z", if it is voiceless - it is written "s".

Before the Russian language reform in 1918, the rule was much more complicated. In particular, the Philologists of the 19th century, when developing the first spelling rules, introduced the following restriction: "Prefixes are always overwritten and unwritten with" z ":" out-of-the-line "," immeasurable "," bakeless ". The rest (ra-, vo-, from - and others) "z" is preserved before "s", as well as voiced consonants, and before the deaf one should write "s": "raskaz", "get rid of", forbid "," exclaim "," come out ". As you can see, it has become much more difficult to remember in which cases and prefixes the "z" should be used. It was necessary to write differently than you hear. The rule in this version did not last long. The reform of the Russian language that took place in 1918 greatly simplified it.

So, in the end, the rule introduced in 1918 did not complicate, but just simplified the spelling of prefixes for consonants, bringing it to a single principle. Therefore, all these stories about the fact that the "demon" was introduced as a result of the "godless Judeo-Satanic coup" are complete nonsense of the profane.

[Flooding]

Quote: zavyalov4leksandr

- maybe remember the Old Slavonic in order to justify your illiteracy?

This could immediately stop.
Why not? Stigmatized on the move illiterate - consider it done.
Instead of pulling sheets from the internet.
As you can see for yourself, with a little effort, the prefix is ​​unsubscribed through the "z" always. Suggest why it was so and not otherwise? Despite the fact that for other prefixes they came up with spelling rules through "z" and "s".
And you deceived by making a reservation about the 19th century before mentioning it.
"Without" has always been written. And in the 18th century too.
But the post-revolutionary reform decided to "simplify". Although, it would seem, what could be easier - to write invariably in any case. This is not even an exception to the rule.
As a rule, it was invented much later.
Now, goodbye. You did not impress me as a cultured person, and therefore I hasten to break the distance. In the morning you need to keep positive and stay away from rude strangers.

[Flooding]

Quote: bossi

Buddy! Unable to read. Open the dictionary. Look at the spelling "meaningless", "powerlessness". Don't put us to shame.

"BES" is a prefix introduced into the Russian language in 1921 by Lunacharsky, contrary to the rules of the Russian language.

[Walking]

the children of the current elite will not go to the front.

[knn54]

The "elite" (Russian, Ukrainian ..) and their children have a Motherland in the West. Where is their money, their real estate. Where do they study, rest. Why will they go to the front.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: knn54

The "elite" (Russian, Ukrainian ..) and their children have a Motherland in the West

not quite so their homeland where the ass is more comfortable, and it will be west, east or even Mars is not important

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Hiking

the children of the current elite will not go to the front.

The children of the top leadership of Russia are all child prodigies and sit in warm executive chairs, but there were, there were Sons of the Generals who fought and died for their homeland.
Over the years, the sons of nine generals have died in Chechnya:
Lieutenant General ANOSHIN Gennady Yakovlevich;
Major General NALETOV Gennady Afanasevich;
Lieutenant General SUSLOV Vyacheslav Fedorovich;
Lieutenant General of PULIKOVSKY Konstantin Borisovich;
Major General Anatoly Mikhailovich FILIPENK;
Major General of Aviation Anatoly Chigashov;
Colonel General Shpak Georgy Ivanovich.
Lieutenant General SCHEPINA Yuri.
Among the dead in Syria was the lieutenant colonel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Alexander Aleshin, the son of the first deputy chief of the Air Force's radio engineering troops - chief of staff of Major General Alexander Aleshin.

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Anatole Klim

but there were the Sons of the Generals who fought and died for their homeland.

So these are real hereditary military men, with traditions and honor, and not those from the joke about "... I won't become a general, the general has his own son."

[businessv]

Quote: Hiking

the children of the current elite will not go to the front.

Quite right, they won't, so in order not to get confused, I suggest calling the current "elite" EPK! Those. "elite in the first generation".

[anjey]

This is a plus of socialism, the powers that be and their children were not so much divorced from the people of their country, since "our", now living "elite". If there is a serious mess, this is the most secure bastard in the world (oligators), the first to rush out saving capitals and their precious lives, perhaps not all the elite are like that, God forbid those who remain and we can withstand in difficult times

[anjey]

My opinion (which interests no one) -If in 1941 there was capitalism in our country and there was no firm leadership of the Communist Party, then a victory near Moscow would be a big question.

[Sergey Valov]

If in 1941 we had capitalism, then most likely the Germans would not have gone that far (see the history of the WWII).

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Sergey Valov

If in 1941 we would have capitalism

tell you HOW under capitalism in WWI industrialists enriched themselves in the war? !!!

Quote: Sergey Valov

then most likely the Germans would not have reached this far (see the history of the WWII).

if you take the trouble to think at least a little, you wouldn’t write such nonsense, the Germans fought in WWII on TWO REAL fronts, fought in the Great Patriotic USSR not with Germany, but with UNITED EUROPE, in the first world RI fought from the western borders of Poland, but to Great Patriotic from the western borders of Belarus and Ukraine, etc. etc.

p / s / based on your logic in France in the year 40 was socialism

[Sergey Valov]

In WWII, the Germans also fought on two fronts. Calculate what resources the Germans spent on the struggle with the allies, not human, but industrial.
Leave the myth of a united Europe that fought against the USSR to pseudo-patriots and fools.
“Based on your logic in France in the year 40 was socialism” - based on your logic in the USA in 1941 was socialism?
You do not know what to write, so do not write nonsense.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Sergey Valov

In WWII, the Germans also fought on two fronts. Calculate what resources the Germans spent on the struggle with the allies, not human, but industrial.

boy how old are you that you don’t set such a blizzard

Quote: Sergey Valov

Leave the myth of a united Europe that fought against the USSR to pseudo-patriots and fools.

especially for you my absolutely illiterate Expert
Czechs collected 25% of all German tanks, 26% of trucks and 40% of small arms.
On June 22, 1941, Czech-made armored vehicles made up the fourth part of the fleet of all 17 German tank divisions of the 1st echelon - 623 Pz.Kpfw.38 (t) tanks.
The Czech share in the Wehrmacht armored vehicles grew right up to the final: from January to March 1945, working hard on Hitler, the workers of Prague and Pilsen gave 1136 of the 3922 tanks and self-propelled guns made for Germany. Almost a third!

At the same time, Czech engineers have tirelessly improved weapons. So the self-propelled gun "Netzeg", Czech design, turned out to be the most successful self-propelled gun of the Wehrmacht. Created on the basis of the Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t). 16-ton vehicle with 60-mm armor 75-mm cannon Rak 39 with a barrel length of 48 calibers brilliantly showed itself on the battlefield. And since May 1944, the Czechs have built as many as 1577 self-propelled guns "Netzer". One of the main means of fighting Soviet tanks.

To tell you who supplied the Germans with nickel, oil ?!

[Mavrikiy]

Serezha Valov did not even pass the exam , otherwise I would know that the Germans were defeated by the United States.
As for the map, it does not accurately reflect the situation. Neutral Switzerland supplied instruments and optics, etc. Germany. Neutral Spain sent volunteers of the "Blue Division" to us, it has long been caught that 50 Spaniards + more than 000 Portuguese served in it) .. The Swedes were driving the ore. And they all traded with the United States in the interests-needs of Germany.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Neutral Switzerland supplied instruments and optics, etc. Germany. Neutral Spain sent volunteers of the "Blue Division" to us

let’s not strain the boy so much, otherwise he’ll completely

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Barmaleyka

let’s not strain the boy so much, otherwise he’ll completely

No, we will, because there’s nothing to wedge, sawdust of grouse-tuparas. I didn’t hold books in my hands, everything was on an Internet, and there, supposedly I thought it over myself, analyzed all world experience, suffered and transferred it in my own skin.

[Yuriy_999]

Wouldn’t it be?

[Minato2020]

Quote: Sergey Valov

If in 1941 we had capitalism, then most likely the Germans would not have gone that far (see the history of the WWII).

If in 1941 we had capitalism, then the evacuation of factories beyond the Urals would not have taken place.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Sergey Valov

If in 1941 we had capitalism, then most likely the Germans would not have gone that far (see the history of the WWII).

See the history of France in WWII. But who am I .....

[businessv]

Quote: anjey

a victory near Moscow would be a big question.

IMHO, a victory in the Second World War would be a big question, colleague! Now - capitalism, based on the study of G. Khanin (s), according to the assessment of the real value of fixed assets of the Russian economy and covering the period 1991—2015. The volume of fixed assets at the residual value (including depreciation) by 2015 decreased by about 1991 times compared with 2. This is much more than losses in the Great Patriotic War! Then the reduction was 33,5%. And another figure from the study of Khanin: the loss of fixed assets of the Russian economy, taking into account their depreciation over a period of 25 years (1991−2015), amounted to 422,5 trillion. rubles. This is equal to the total GDP of Russia for the period 2011-2015. Source: https://svpressa.ru/economy/article/249604/

[anjey]

It is possible, although you want to believe in your great people.
Victory would have been, but at even greater cost of casualties and the occupation of even larger territories, and the war would have been longer.

[Hikaro]

The word elite is somehow nasty! In the days of Stalin, people at the head of power were called party economic assets !! People who, through their active example, personally involved the masses in the creative process! People who had personal responsibility for the results of work and who really worked for wear and tear, perfectly understanding the goals and objectives of the party and government! And accordingly, their children were brought up and imbued with the spirit of the era of creation! And to compare with the modern, decadent predatory oligarchy is absolutely stupid!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Monster_Fat

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If Stalin was alive, then Malakhov and Zverev for this occupation, shameful for a Soviet person, would receive an article for a parasitic way of life (vagrancy and begging), in other words, parasitism, and worked on public buildings to benefit the country and society. The remaining characters from this team are not badly employed

[Gardamir]

Interestingly, where are the morning-old patriots?

[solzh]

Quote: Gardamir

but where are the morning patriots-renegotiates?

So they are morning! Now is not their time

[Svarog]

Quote: Gardamir

Interestingly, where are the morning-old patriots?

They’ll come running again ... they’ll give them the Central Administration now ..

[Proton]

Under Stalin, the current "elite" sat in the camps or at a loss, as a socially alien element.

[rocket757]

. Nationalization of the elites: children of Soviet leaders in the Great Patriotic War

That is why they are trying to erase the memory, at least, to dump everything connected with the glorious Soviet past in the mud!
Destroy archives, distort history, with a forgotten nar ... no people, this is a herd, DO SHOW GOOD!

[prior]

But how they want to cling to the past feats of the Soviet people, both labor and front, without having any direct relation to this.

[rocket757]

Quote: prior

But how they want to cling to the past feats of the Soviet people, both labor and front, without having any direct relation to this.

A person who is a leader who has something to show and what he is proud of will not put on someone else's glory!
However, the leader is obliged to recall / remind about the great deeds of our ancestors ... but this is a very delicate / serious question and we must carefully watch who is worthy and how he does it.

[Ruswolf]

Principle - Divide and conquer !!!
In Soviet times, service in the USSR Armed Forces is an honorable obligation of Soviet citizens to defend the socialist fatherland with arms in their hands (1937 Constitution, Article 132)
And now the division. The officials and their children got - Honor .... and We and our children - Duty.

[maden.usmanow]

Again, you need to invent a bicycle again. National elites in the 21st century. In the era of the global economy and the Internet.
Maybe you just do not need to put your sons in warm chairs? Create political competition?
Why, we need a national elite. And in the battle against the Anglo-Saxons, we will immediately begin to flourish.

[tatarin1972]

There were different tasks, the first to raise and defend the country, the current to steal, deceive, and take out.

[Minato2020]

Subsequently, children who studied with the children of Soviet leaders wrote in their memoirs

... If memory serves, Sergo Mikoyan appeared in our eighth grade. There was still a war. It was built and handsome with some Spanish (or Latin American) beauty. He was always dressed with a needle. I walked quickly along the school corridor, rustling with trousers sewn from some kind of foreign material. For some reason, this swiftness and rustling forever contacted him in my memory ...

... Once Kuzma (our director Ivan Kuzmich Novikov), having glanced into the class, called me into his office. This did not bode well. He usually summoned losers. He said the same thing:
- Well, the third “deuce”? Go get settled ...
I didn’t have “deuces”. And yet it was scary. Before I could enter, the telephone rang on the director’s desk. Kuzma picked up the phone and signaled me to sit down.
The member of the Politburo Anastas Ivanovich Mikoyan called on the phone. I understood this later from the conversation. Kuzma said something like this to the receiver:

- I understand ... I understand everything ... But the third "deuce" in chemistry, the second "deuce" in mathematics. No, Anastas Ivanovich, the school cannot tolerate this ...

Then Kuzma listened silently for a long time. And I imagined how a member of the Politburo persuades him not to exclude Sergo and vowed to correct the situation ...

And why did Kuzma call me then, now I don’t remember ...

... Lidia Germanovna, a teacher of German, once asked Vitya to take home a notebook with a verified dictation to Lesha Batalova. In the notebook stood a fat “deuce”. Lesha, the future great film actor, still a schoolboy rightly believed that he needed mathematics, physics, and at the same time the Stalinist constitution. And skipped school. Batalov lived on Ordynka in the apartment of his stepfather, writer Ardov. Vitya went to Ordynka. From Taganka dragged through the whole city. Has come. The door is closed, the bell does not work. He began to knock on the door. No one is opening. Knocked 10 minutes, half an hour. I repeat, Viti’s character was cool. There was only Ardov in the apartment. He took a bath and lay in the foam. Hearing a loud knock on the door, Ardov was very nervous. Of course, the thirty-seventh year was behind, and they usually took it only at night, but they knocked on the door, and the writer lost his nerves. He crawled out of the bathtub, threw on a bathrobe and barefoot moved along a long corridor to the entrance. At the door itself, he slipped and fell. And then a pile of skis, standing in the hallway, fell upon him. Grasping the ski, he could not tear himself off the floor for a long time. Finally, freed from the robe, he stood up and opened the door. Before Vitya opened a strong sight. In the opening stood a naked man, all in soap, with a white froth on his head. In his hand he held the ski. The writer and student silently stared at each other. Vitya was the first to come to his senses:

- Lydia Germanovna asked to take a notebook with a dictation to Lesha ...
Shocked, Ardov looked at Vitya for a long time, then he took a notebook and said:
- And you, sir, are an eccentric ...

https://harmfulgrumpy.livejournal.com/749900.html

[Grad-Xnumx]

One traitor captured by the laws of the Soviets. Another left the unit, arranged a booze with explosives, while several officers died - for this they did not shoot him and sent him an instructor to a flight school. Good kids.

[Max Naughty]

I have only one question .. Here, every second in the army did not serve, or the first? And discuss all the best)))

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Max Sick

I have only one question .. Here, every second in the army did not serve, or the first? And discuss all the best)))

Here is the first one who did not serve, does not know the appeal under the charter to the superior bosses.

[Dedok]

The question is not solemn and raised, although late - but better than not raised.
I remember the command of the "unloved" me - "cunning Yaroslavl" - Meretskov, then at the end of June 1942, he sent his son with a group of tanks deep into the swamps near Myasny Bor - to take the 2-shock command out of the encirclement.
The son remained alive. from the group, it seems there is nothing left.

[kimlykvp]

It was the elite of the country, not the current grabbers who mixed up their pocket with the state. I happened to serve under the leadership of Stepan Anastasovich Mikoyan, a great pilot, Hero of the Soviet Union, Honored Test Pilot of the USSR and a wonderful, helpful person. Testing planes is not a budget cut in ministerial chairs and at the head of banks and corporations, like some kids.

[starshina78]

When one of our modern leaders starts talking about patriotism or some other manifestation of love for the Motherland and readiness to defend it, then I recall one article in one newspaper, where all the kids of these very "patriots from power" were named. what country do they live in, have a residence permit or a passport, what they do and what business, I would like to ask them - "Are you fooling around or being a hypocrite?"

[Yury Siritsky]

Then there were completely different people, patriots. And now one crook.