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The US Air Force explained why they are ready to buy decommissioned fighters from Switzerland

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The United States is in talks with Switzerland to purchase 22 decommissioned Northrop F5 Tiger fighters, swissinfo.ch reports.


The US Air Force explained why they might need such an acquisition.

The Pentagon plans to use these aircraft to train pilots in air combat skills. Aircraft are planned to be fully restored to meet modern needs.

With reference to the newspaper SonntagsZeitung, it is reported that an amount of $ 40 million was allocated for the purchase of Swiss aircraft. The Swiss military and logistics company Armasuisse confirmed that such negotiations took place in the summer, but there is still no concrete agreement. Before that, the US defense budget has yet to be approved by Congress. At the same time, the delivery of aircraft (in case of signing a contract) is planned for 2021.

It is noted that the age of the Swiss F5 Tiger is about 35 years. And the simple maintenance of idle machines costs the country considerable amounts. A few years ago, the United States already bought 44 such aircraft from Switzerland.

Currently, the Swiss government is also thinking about acquiring new fighters for the needs of the Air Force. Now they are based on F / A-18 American production. At the same time, the population of the Confederation rejected the idea of ​​purchasing Swedish Gripen fighters in a referendum, in fact, leaving only French and American companies in the competition.
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  1. Alien From
    Alien From 17 December 2019 14: 54
    +5
    Mattresses also count money ......
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 17 December 2019 14: 59
      +1
      In other people's pockets basically.
      1. svp67
        svp67 17 December 2019 17: 45
        +6
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        In other people's pockets basically.

        Such money, for them PERSONAL INSURANCE
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 17 December 2019 14: 54
    -3
    The Pentagon plans to use these aircraft to train pilots in air combat skills. Aircraft are planned to be fully restored to meet modern needs.

    And who dares to fly on them ??? Technique of the Vietnam War!
    I doubt that the American pilot who is expensive and appreciates her life will be able to cram into it ???
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 17 December 2019 14: 58
      +7
      Quote: rocket757
      And who dares to fly on them ??? Technique of the Vietnam War!

      Considering that Switzerland is a very "belligerent" country, then, accordingly, the planes are in the same condition.
      I think that they have not even developed a resource. They were not even written off, but put in storage. You just need to extend the airworthiness, and the game is not worth the candle.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 December 2019 15: 03
        0
        Quote: Kurare
        You just need to extend the airworthiness, and the game is not worth the candle.

        Airworthiness is ... understandable, only metal fatigue, for example, has not been canceled.
        It’s just age, it’s just that the technology is so military that it’s not forever, but for a specific period of operation.
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 17 December 2019 15: 05
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          ... of course, only metal fatigue, for example, has not been canceled.

          Again, if the glider's resource were exhausted, then no one would put them in storage. What's the point?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 17 December 2019 18: 11
            +1
            Quote: Kurare
            Again, if the glider's resource were exhausted, then no one would put them in storage. What's the point

            We will not argue. There are specialists, and they are better versed.
            1. Kurare
              Kurare 17 December 2019 18: 27
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              We will not argue.

              good That's for sure! Each has its own version and opinion. But, while there is no evidence - this is just an opinion.
    2. Svarog51
      Svarog51 17 December 2019 15: 01
      +11
      Victor hi Even in the film Top Gun, these planes were portrayed by Russian MiGs. Probably they are being trained for this role. request
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 December 2019 15: 07
        +4
        Greetings Sergey soldier
        Quote: Svarog51
        Even in the film Top Gun, these planes were portrayed by Russian MiGs.

        It is obvious. These fighters generally passed a lot of things. And wars and Hollywood blockbusters were everywhere noted ... but still, that was a long time ago.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 17 December 2019 15: 13
          +9
          The planes are American-made, and the contract has not yet been signed. Apparently, they decide whether the "skin of the dressing" is worth it.
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 December 2019 15: 16
            +2
            Quote: Svarog51
            Victor hi Even in the film Top Gun, these planes were portrayed by Russian MiGs. Probably they are being trained for this role. request


            Why are they embarrassed to say so openly? what holds them back? hi
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 17 December 2019 15: 24
              +9
              Victor hi And this is what is said in this phrase
              The Pentagon plans to use these aircraft to train pilots in air combat skills. Aircraft planned to be fully restored to modern needs

              A little lower, and the Tramp talks about this, they will represent our MiGs in the aggressor unit.
              1. gurzuf
                gurzuf 17 December 2019 15: 57
                +2
                There is still - friendly Ukraine (as an option).
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 17 December 2019 19: 45
                  +5
                  Yes, there are a lot of things in the post-Soviet space. Just keep in a state of combat readiness will not work. Alien production.
              2. cniza
                cniza 17 December 2019 15: 57
                +1
                Previously, they did not hesitate, they wrote directly - to simulate the enemy during exercises and practicing all kinds of tasks.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 17 December 2019 18: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: cniza
                  Previously, do not be shy, they wrote directly - to simulate the enemy during exercises and practicing all kinds of tasks

                  Striped guys are not very shy, in general.
                  Try to put the stigma, fashion sanctions, it’s not rusting with them.
                  In short, they spoiled to the end.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 17 December 2019 19: 22
                    +3
                    Time is running and everything is changing, already against their will.
              3. rocket757
                rocket757 17 December 2019 18: 17
                0
                Quote: Svarog51
                A little lower and the Tramp talks about it, they will depict our MiGs in the aggressor unit

                Aggressors for striped enough to choose from.
                In principle, such an interesting company is going!
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 17 December 2019 20: 03
                  +5
                  Well, Russia is their main aggressor. They gathered a company half a century ago in order to "resist". But in order to train their pilots, they cheated on the maintenance of our MiGs. They could and can get them from our ex. They didn't want to, or they thought it was expensive.
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 17 December 2019 22: 21
                    +2
                    hi according to rumors in Groom Lake there was a whole squadron of MiGs, but problems with spare parts probably tormented laughing The fate of the MiG-29 from Marculesti redeemed by amers from Moldova is also shrouded in mystery.
                    For many years the F-5 was one of the main aggressor squadron aircraft: maneuverable, simple, tough, simple and cheap to operate.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 18 December 2019 11: 56
                      0
                      To practice close combat in the "aggressor squadron" they used either the F-5 or the Israeli Kfir.
                      Like the most maneuverable cheap planes.
                      But Kfira already worn to zero.
                      And the Swiss are famous for their accuracy. And their F-5 is probably in excellent condition.
                      1. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 18 December 2019 12: 02
                        0
                        Then let's precisely state: F-21 Kfir, as many as two dozen were leased by Navy and marines, precisely for the same reasons as the F-5. And by the way, they served there for a very short time, less than 5 years.
      2. Alf
        Alf 17 December 2019 19: 58
        +2
        Quote: Svarog51
        Victor hi Even in the film Top Gun, these planes were portrayed by Russian MiGs. Probably they are being trained for this role. request

        No, it’s just that the Tigers possessed excellent maneuverability, which cannot be said about the Penguin.
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      4. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 17 December 2019 22: 43
        +1
        Quote: Svarog51
        Even in the film "Top Gun" these planes were portrayed ..... MiGs

        hi it’s just that in those years, the United States Navy Fighter Weapons School, then known as Top Gun, used the F-5, they were used. Well, A-4.
    3. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 17 December 2019 15: 02
      +6
      It is worth considering that for
      Quote: rocket757
      dear and appreciating his life American pilot
      It is a great honor to serve in the aggressor units and in addition an interesting service. Again guaranteed not to send where Makar did not drive cows.
      I don’t remember exactly, but among the Swiss they are relatively 'fresh' and in good condition with a decent residual resource. And most likely they are much stronger than airplanes from front line units - a negative effect of technological progress
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 December 2019 15: 10
        +2
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        And most likely they are much stronger than airplanes from front line units - a negative effect of technological progress

        This is YES! Boeing removes a whole line of aircraft \ cans ... progressed!
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 17 December 2019 15: 16
          +4
          Lest we say, but the Americans are great craftsmen of counting money, they also consider: the operation of the F-5 is a trifle even in comparison with the F-16.
    4. YOUR
      YOUR 17 December 2019 15: 16
      0
      After they change everything, they’ll even take a chance. The Americas have always used the F-5 as an imitation of Soviet aircraft. They painted stars on them, painted like on Soviet planes. Apparently they decided to remember now they will portray Russian.
    5. VO3A
      VO3A 17 December 2019 15: 17
      +3
      There is nothing to break! They will put new engines and avionics and will fly for another 25 years ... He has a glider that cannot be killed ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 December 2019 18: 15
        -2
        Quote: VO3A
        There is nothing to break! They will put new engines and avionics and will fly for another 25 years ... He has a glider that cannot be killed ...

        Not killed, as practice has shown, does not happen at all, and they are unlikely to be able to produce such engines .... but, if they take it, it’s a matter of fact, they believe that everything will be done as it should.
        Maybe it will be known, then, what they did.
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 17 December 2019 18: 17
          +1
          You are mistaken, a training aircraft was created on the basis of this aircraft, and they are still in service, and not only among the amers ... They have a squadron of "aggressors" flying on them ...
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 17 December 2019 22: 13
            +2
            If you mean the T-38 Talon, then it was used only as a Lead in Fighter, we got acquainted with supersonic, but they did not seem to be among the aggressor units. If there is a link, do not consider it work - discard it. Naval aggressors used A-4, F-5, tried F-16N, then F-18. USAF small F-5s are mostly rare.
            1. NN52
              NN52 17 December 2019 23: 18
              +5
              Pete Mitchell Pete Mitchell
              So it is about F 16 and F 18 in the Aggressors ...

              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 17 December 2019 23: 50
                +1
                hi F-18D is definitely navy / navy, F-16 may be usaf, and maybe navy.
        2. Alf
          Alf 17 December 2019 20: 00
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Practice has not shown that there is no murder at all,

          It happens. The Americans themselves officially announced that the life of Dakota is not regulated.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 December 2019 06: 42
            0
            Admit to the fighter Northrop f5 tiger very few claims specifically to the technical condition following the results of many years of operation !!!
            A model designed more than half a century ago, it should be recognized as a very good design work!
            Of course, you can "kill" anything, but with proper operation, such a carefully designed and manufactured technique is unrealistic.
  3. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 17 December 2019 15: 02
    0
    There is such a joke about the dad of the banker, and the son of the banker, no need to remind.
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  5. Graz
    Graz 17 December 2019 15: 11
    0
    and what they have in the desert, in the United States, this type of aircraft is not worth it, I strongly doubt it, it seems strange more corruption
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 17 December 2019 19: 15
      -1
      Quote: Graz
      and what they have in the desert, in the United States, this type of aircraft is not worth it, I strongly doubt it, it seems strange more corruption


      F-5 has never been in service with US combat units ...
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 17 December 2019 23: 14
        +1
        Quote: SovAr238A
        F-5 has never been in service with US combat units ...

        Please, do not repeat this to anyone else; this is not at all correct. One of the most massive fighters in the world.
    2. Alf
      Alf 17 December 2019 20: 03
      0
      Quote: Graz
      and what they have in the desert, in the United States, this type of aircraft is not worth it, I strongly doubt it, it seems strange more corruption

      Once infa flashed that some Air Force commission inspected the air depot ... the air parking lot in Mojave and admitted that these aircraft are of no value.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 December 2019 22: 26
      +1
      Quote: Graz
      weird more corruption seems

      Rather, they are trying to "interest" the Swiss so that they buy not French Rafals or Ethanders, but American F-35s ...
      Quote: SovAr238A
      F-5 has never been in service with US combat units ..

      And who then fought in Vietnam? And the list of armed conflicts where they participated is very impressive:
      F-5 combat use:
      Vietnam War, Third Indo-Pakistani War, Rebellion at Kenitra Air Base, War in Western Sahara, Ethiopo-Somali War, Kampuchean-Vietnamese Conflict, Iran-Iraq War, Second Civil War in Sudan,
      Rebellion in the Philippines, Operation Desert Storm, Turkish-Greek Conflict,
      Yemen Civil War ...
      And they produced more than 1,4 thousand units.
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 18 December 2019 02: 02
        +1
        Greetings, Boa KAA

        Well, where on your list of the US Air Force, all conflicts - with the participation of third world countries, among which were amer satellites armed with the F-5

        F-5 freedom fighter went for export, brought democracy to the world, “Freedom Fighter”

        In the arsenal of the United States itself there was a symbolic number of them, mainly aggressors. And UTS based on them - T-38 Telon (sting)
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 18 December 2019 10: 01
          +2
          Quote: Santa Fe
          where is the us air force on your list

          At different times, was in service with many countries of Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America, becoming one of the most common combat aircraft in the world. The release of the fighter ceased in 1987. In total, more than 2000 units were produced. In the US Air Force, fighters were decommissioned in 1990. In the aviation of the Navy and the United States Marine Corps for 2019: 44 F-5N / F (most were bought in Switzerland in 2006, another part came from the US Air Force).
          Everything seems to be clear ...
          They fought in Vietnam: they covered attack aircraft, carried out reconnaissance.
          And all this was part of the US Air Force.
          The first in combat conditions were tested by light fighters the Americans in Vietnam. Especially for military tests in July 1965, the 4503rd tactical air squadron was formed with 12 fighter aircraft of the 1963 and 1964 release. Before being sent to Vietnam, armored vehicles weighing 90 kg were installed on planes, dropping underwing pylons for weapons, an air refueling system and sights with calculators (sometimes these machines are called F-5C). In conclusion, silver cars received a three-color camouflage color. The only pilot of the squadron who had experience flying on the F-5, was its commander, Colonel Edward Johnson.
          In the United States, "Tigers" entered only specialized units of the "aggressors" of the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps. They turned out to be the closest to the MiG-21 - the main likely enemy of the American aces. The best pilots were selected in the squadron of "aggressors" and it is not surprising that they most often won in battles with much more modern F-14, F-15 and F-16.
          Yes, for the US Air Force, the F-5 was not a mass plane. But he was in the Air Force.
          Yours faithfully, hi
  6. evgen1221
    evgen1221 17 December 2019 15: 28
    +1
    Or maybe the barmaley want to arrange the air force?)))
  7. Pavel57
    Pavel57 17 December 2019 15: 29
    +2
    Swiss democracy - the cheapest GOrippens rejected.
  8. Kerensky
    Kerensky 17 December 2019 15: 37
    +1
    In this case, Confederation population rejected in referendum the idea of ​​purchasing Swedish Gripen fighters, in fact, leaving only French and American companies in the competition.

    Wow! So we would have a couple of referenda to hold, for the common development ....
  9. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 17 December 2019 16: 16
    +1
    F-5 and its variants are the main fighter of Iran.

    The United States is systematically preparing for war with this country, a foothold in Iraq and Afghanistan has been created, the only thing left is to arrange a provocation and invade Iran.

    The USA and NATO in Iran will oppose fighters made on the basis of the F-5, and here they will train American vultures.

    And there is nothing to save at all, look at the debt and the US military budget.
  10. Corn
    Corn 17 December 2019 16: 31
    +3
    Not surprisingly, once again the Swiss vparil some kind of trash to their vassals. The poorer 3,14ndos and are glad to these handouts from the table, in truth wretched.
  11. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 17 December 2019 16: 54
    +1
    You can use them as air targets.
  12. knn54
    knn54 17 December 2019 17: 02
    +4
    Once again, it struck me that the purchase (in this case, airplanes) was going through a popular referendum.
  13. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 17 December 2019 17: 18
    +1
    Currently, the Swiss government is also thinking about acquiring new fighters for the needs of the Air Force.
    By 2030 they want to replace the F-18. They will buy on such terms
    Foreign companies receiving orders as part of the purchase of aircraft must compensate 60 percent of the cost of the contract by placing orders in Switzerland: 20 percent through direct offsets and 40 percent through indirect offsets in technology and industry related to safety.
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 17 December 2019 17: 31
      0
      They will buy on such terms ...


      This is called "offset". Nothing unusual for the Western military-industrial complex. The country from which you buy military equipment assumes an investment in your power, as a percentage of the transaction.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 17 December 2019 17: 34
        +1
        That's right. The machines will be bought from the Swiss, they have the standard quality.
  14. eagle owl
    eagle owl 17 December 2019 18: 07
    0
    Shota and with a budget of 700, how many are there? 760 lard already? The chainsaw isn’t enough firewood))) By the way, with UTI they have a topic for about 35 years and lasts - besides they are inventing everything new, they already have corns on their hands, pockets from sawdust are cracking, but UTI is gone - there’s no perspective
  15. Basarev
    Basarev 17 December 2019 18: 32
    -2
    Russia could offer MiGs. Or Drying.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 December 2019 22: 31
      +1
      Quote: Basarev
      Russia could offer MiGs. Or Drying.

      Yeah ... and the key to the safe, where the secrets lie !!! am
  16. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 17 December 2019 23: 40
    0
    Green paper is still in price, the machine is working, and there is the opportunity to buy whatever you want.
  17. aries2200
    aries2200 18 December 2019 00: 51
    0
    Can they buy a super action movie for Hollywood?
  18. Avior
    Avior 18 December 2019 01: 05
    +1
    The question arose, why did the Swiss refuse Gripen, and even in a referendum?
    Do they have military locks in referenda?
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 18 December 2019 12: 20
      -1
      Referenda in Switzerland are a form of engaging the public in the adoption of decision-making, aka Swiss democracy.
      Grippen is not rushing for the second time, in '14 they rolled for the first time. The French and Italian regions vote against. Remaining Rafale, Eurofighter, Super Hornet and F-35. For another five years they will be in-law and they will definitely choose -35.
  19. Cheerock
    Cheerock 19 December 2019 16: 44
    0
    The KMP is now buying Tigers wherever it can for training, because training on the F-35 is too expensive. It's a perfectly normal approach.