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Miners are an endangered species of Donbass. Will LDNR survive without the coal industry?

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Case smells like kerosene



The LDNR government, encouraged by the pokes of local opposition leaders, has promised to fully repay the debts to the miners before the New Year. The process is on. As of Monday, December 15, most mines paid 50% of the October salary, the next tranche was expected on Wednesday, December 17. It is likely that before the New Year holidays, the authorities still pay off their debts. The thing is necessary, because what is happening today in social networks is nonsense; toothless and useless games of wretched local politicians and Ukrainian propagandists. But if the situation comes to a boiling point and the miners really begin to show discontent, and not the corrupt network warriors (no matter what it is expressed, even in strikes, even in mass layoffs), it will be a disaster.

While debts are being paid off at some mines, at others due to lack of money, apparently, in order not to accumulate new debts, people are sent on unpaid leave. Information has been received that mines in Kirovsky and Shakhtersk have been shut down before (preliminary) January 15th. At the same time, the mines stood all November and worked only a week, from November 1 to 9. A great way to congratulate the miners on the New Year, and at the same time unobtrusively show them that in 2020 it would be nice to be puzzled by the search for a new job.

The industry is breathing


The trouble is that the industry in the region itself is in critical condition over the past 20 years, and after the outbreak of war, the situation is only getting worse. In order to save the much needed local metallurgy and thermal power plants (as well as vital for Ukraine) coal mining, the industry urgently needs to be rescued. Alas, it seems that today they don’t think about it either in Kiev (mines in the part of Donbass controlled by Ukraine are dying like flies), or in Donetsk and Lugansk.

Deposits in the Donbass have always been problematic: difficult mining and geological conditions of development, the low thickness of the developed coal seams (1,0-1,2 m), the depth of a third of the total volume of more than 1 thousand meters, the high explosiveness and other reasons reduced the profitability of production.

In the pre-war times, the DPR and LPR accounted for more than 50% of all coal mining in Ukraine (2017% in 42), but many mines were subsidized. A total of 157 mines went to LDN (88 in the DNI and 69 in the LC), and only 37 units were considered profitable. 17 of them in the DPR and 20 in the LPR. Since 2016, out of 19 mines in the LPR, 17 mines operated in coal mining mode, two mines in life support mode. Until recently, 17 mines operated in the DPR. The vast majority of mines were closed due to low profitability or destruction associated with hostilities. The number of miners in LDNR in 2014 was about 112,5 thousand people, today - somewhere around 90 thousand.

Depreciation of industrial and production assets in almost all mines of the republics is 60-80%, about 60% of stationary equipment has a second or third operational period. For new and imported equipment, there are not enough spare parts, and in many faces, they still work with jack hammers, which is not surprising - it is full of mines that are 50 years old or more.

What to do?


In this situation, temporary downtimes and troubles with the salary of death are similar. Not only is the existing enterprises full of technical and economic problems, they may well be supplemented by personnel. Already today you can get a mine with virtually no problems, sometimes even without work experience. Although a few years ago it was almost impossible. Salary debts, low wages, a high level of danger and other reasons have virtually destroyed the prestige of mining work and may well lead to a massive exodus of miners to the neighboring Rostov region or other regions of the Russian Federation.

Without a normal attitude, first of all, towards people and, no doubt, the material and technical base, without investment in the industry and major investments in its salvation, which is impossible without increasing the prestige of the profession, the mining industry in the Donbass will soon decline and can only satisfy domestic needs of the republics, while export can be forgotten.

And along with export, it will also be possible to say goodbye to the ability of the LDNR government to fulfill its social obligations to the population. In general, we are talking about fatal consequences. Unfortunately, in Vneshtorgservice CJSC (MTC), which is responsible for coal export, no one seems to be worried about this. But in vain. Without the Donbass miners, already turning into an endangered species, there will simply be no MTC. God grant that the republics themselves survive.
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  1. Sergey39
    Sergey39 19 December 2019 15: 04
    -4
    Everything will get better. Ukraine needs coal. Winter is in the yard.
    1. Zliy_mod
      Zliy_mod 19 December 2019 15: 16
      +3
      Ukraine does not need its own coal, and even more so with LDNR.
      1. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 19 December 2019 17: 49
        -8
        Quote: Zliy_mod
        Ukraine does not need its own coal, and even more so with LDNR.

        They are a piece of coal from South Africa carry a golden hehe He damned evil.
      2. businessv
        businessv 19 December 2019 18: 04
        0
        Quote: Zliy_mod
        Ukraine does not need its own coal, and even more so with LDNR.

        Ukraine needs coal like air, but its leaders are not profitable, everything is too transparent and so expensive that in their pockets it can settle, by their standards, very little, hence all the problems. The situation is exactly the same as in Russia before the sanctions - it is easier to deliver the finished product than to bother with its production / cultivation. As long as the country's leadership is ready to forget about food, energy and other security, such a corps de ballet will continue.
        1. Starper-xnumx
          Starper-xnumx 19 December 2019 20: 20
          -3
          Quote: businessv
          Ukraine needs coal like air, but its leaders are not profitable, everything is too transparent and so expensive that in their pockets it can settle, by their standards, very little, hence all the problems

          The toad is strangling Kiev, they don’t want to buy coal in the Donbass, even cheaply .. And in Russia, too, gas .. This is a game and time the US wins!
          If Russia finally closes the gas, then the coal of Donbass will be sharply demanded .. Here the Nord Stream would be finished and then ... let's begin the debriefing with the Kiev junta!
    2. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 19 December 2019 18: 55
      +4
      Egor Makhov probably came out of suspended animation, or came from Antarctica on foot. This is a long time ago, and he "woke up".
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 19 December 2019 15: 05
    0
    In general, we are talking about fatal consequences.

    This is reality. How and who can solve the problem?
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 19 December 2019 15: 16
      +3
      It is in the industry? Only the creation of demand for coal with a high price. And a price higher than the market means that someone will compensate for the difference. And I wouldn’t particularly like it to be Russian taxpayers.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 December 2019 19: 05
        0
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        Only the creation of demand for coal with a high price.

        Only for some grades of coal there is and will be a high demand for ... a very long time, for chemistry and metallurgy. Just to heat coal demand will fall, and the price is much less.
        This is not a problem, this is reality.
        There will be a process of reprofiling production forces and much more. This is also a real prospect.
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        I wouldn’t particularly like it to be Russian taxpayers.

        the topic is complex, you can’t leave people .... but changes for them, retraining, moving to where they are in demand, will eventually come.
        WHEN??? unclear.
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 20 December 2019 00: 19
          +3
          And it also falls on coke, because blast furnace production is reduced relative to new processing methods. And they will heat coal until it is cheaper than gas, taking into account the delivery and costs of modernizing power plants. At a minimum, all of Ukraine will not go anywhere from coal. It’s another matter that with respect to DTEK’s domestic prices, Australian coal may indeed be cheaper. And since Ukraine clearly does not want to feed LDNR, they will buy from Australia in principle, and this can be understood.

          What to redesign mines? This is a very specific topic. Just close and come up with something to keep people busy. And the people there .. objectively, not very active remained. Who knows how to spin - either in power, or left.


          But the topic is not complicated, but very simple. The tail must be chopped, either on one side or the other. Feed endlessly - become poor by ourselves.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 December 2019 09: 29
            0
            Quote: Sancho_SP
            . Tail must be chopped

            Immediately and always wrote that the imperfection of good will not end!
            Many others spoke of exactly the same thing.
    2. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 19 December 2019 18: 46
      +4
      How and who can solve the problem?

      Yes, everything is already - hammer.
      And so it has long been obvious to everyone that it turned out to be complete nonsense, which no one was counting on. Even the most obstinacy has quieted down with the Novo / Little / Nedorossiya project, in decent society it’s not even accepted to remember.
      As a prerequisite for what happened, one can name the unjustifiably overestimated self-esteem of Donbass residents about themselves and their industry in the pre-Maid period, when, as it seemed to them, they were "feeding the whole of Ukraine," while Russia, to put it bluntly, left the people of Donbass behind.
      As a result, Malo / Novo / nedorossiya is now like a girl who flies after a disco: it suddenly turned out that no one was going to marry her and guarantee a happy life.
      And if the Donbass really held 50% of the coal industry, then now they should "be in chocolate" even without Russia, but in reality the opposite is true: in the LPR, there is devastation, and in Bandera's Ukraine, which is not a year, then a GDP growth of 3 3,5%.
      As it turns out, I do not understand with my Iq 135 ((
      The Germans, and then during the Second World War, when they were thoroughly presanil, and then managed to get gas from coal and ensure uninterrupted supply of fuel to the front line.
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 19 December 2019 19: 00
        -1
        Not everything you said is right. Still not right.
    3. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 19 December 2019 18: 57
      -1
      Now NOBODY! Need time. The only two "today's paths" will not solve the problem.
      1. Avior
        Avior 19 December 2019 22: 16
        +2
        Do you understand that if everything remains as it is now, then after a not very long time, the only work in LDNR will be the cutting of scrap metal at the stopped plants?
        Industry cannot work in such conditions when no one will invest a dime in it
  3. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 19 December 2019 15: 12
    +2
    These mines are not viable today.

    For fuel coals, everything is generally simple - in the free market, power plants take it where it is cheaper. DTEK, through which coal was bought at inflated prices, will no longer be in the DPR.

    Coking, demanded in metallurgy, will be needed only in the presence of metallurgy. Ukraine is destroying its own, Russia provides itself with coke. But in the DPR there is no significant demand for coke.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 19 December 2019 17: 06
      +1
      Gas. Key word - "gas" Energy, the former main consumer of coal, is switching to gas. Coal - metallurgy and chemical industry. And there was a time when almost half of the coal mined went to railway transport, to train traction.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 20 December 2019 00: 10
        0
        For example, it does not go everywhere. But only where this gas is (and cheaper), or where it is cheaper to deliver than coal.
  4. Mik13
    Mik13 19 December 2019 15: 31
    +4
    The debt was formed because the military-technical cooperation owes DNR alone about 5 billion rubles. And he is not going to pay debts, which is characteristic. The DNR authorities do not have the opportunity to influence the military-technical cooperation.

    So, first of all, unknown curators should take care of the situation, which, of course, do not exist and cannot exist - the republics are sovereign, but in reality ...

    And the military-technical cooperation is a long-known gentleman (or rather, pan) Kurchenko and his new patrons.
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 19 December 2019 18: 51
      -4
      So, first of all, unknown curators should take care of the situation, which, of course, do not exist and cannot exist - the republics are sovereign, but in reality ...

      Cool, it reminds the situation of a thirteen-year-old teenager who tells his parents that he began an independent life independent of them, so he will do what he wants and then ...
      Then asks for money))))
  5. Avior
    Avior 19 December 2019 15: 43
    +9
    Salary debts, low wages, a high level of danger and other reasons have practically destroyed the prestige of mining work

    Starting January 1, Ukraine has a minimum wage of 4723 hryvnias, which is 13 thousand rubles
    That is, in Ukraine, the last breakdown will be received as a miner in the DPR
    On state mines, which are on subsidies, in Ukraine, the salary is about 14-15 thousand hryvnias, that is, about 40 thousand rubles, on profitable ones, twice as much, 25-30 thousand hryvnias
    No one is waiting for miners in the Rostov region.
    In the DPR, mines are flooded, plants operate with great difficulty, and this will not last long - without investments, neither mines nor plants can work endlessly, and no one will invest in territory with an undefined status
    After some time, the industry in LDNR will die by itself without any hope of recovery, if nothing changes
    I feel sorry for people, they have been living for five years in anticipation of a better life, but it is getting worse and worse, and there is no hope of improvement.
    But they change the boundaries on paper.
    If the situation with LDNR is not solved in one way or another, the people will simply scatter, there will be an empty territory with old people who have nowhere to go
    hi
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 19 December 2019 18: 56
      +1
      I feel sorry for people, they have been living for five years in anticipation of a better life, but it is getting worse and worse, and there is no hope of improvement.

      I understand them, many times I talked with those who arrived.
      In the eyes of emptiness and hopelessness, in thoughts of the future too.
      They were simply deceived.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 26 December 2019 12: 56
        0
        Quote: Bshkaus
        They were simply deceived.


        and did someone promise them something or did they vote in the spring of 2014 for joining Russia?
    2. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 19 December 2019 19: 04
      0
      It is late expressed. It's late. It's already like FOUR years! Well, three more precisely.
    3. lopvlad
      lopvlad 26 December 2019 13: 09
      -2
      Quote: Avior
      Starting January 1, Ukraine has a minimum wage of 4723 hryvnias, which is 13 thousand rubles
      That is, in Ukraine, the last breakdown will be received as a miner in the DPR
      On state mines, which are on subsidies, in Ukraine, the salary is about 14-15 thousand hryvnias, that is, about 40 thousand rubles, on profitable ones, twice as much, 25-30 thousand hryvnias


      dreams of a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies? Well, what’s the matter, whoever breaks down, let him teach the Hutsul gvara, spit on the grave of his father and grandfather, throwing away their blood-won rewards. SS Galicia.
      And jumps and rides in pursuit of the 30th pieces of silver.
      1. Avior
        Avior 26 December 2019 20: 33
        -1
        Dear, what do you offer? Let the people remain in poverty? They have one life at all, and no other.
        Your other reasoning is hopelessly far from reality
        In Mariupol began repairing the monument to the Warrior-Liberator


        In Mariupol began repairing the monument to the Soldier-Liberator. The monument will be painted, and the inscriptions on the pedestal will be updated. Mariupol city authorities plan to repair all the monuments dedicated to the liberators of fascism by Victory Day, reports mrpl.city

        https://polkua.com/v-mariupole-nachali-remont-pamyatnika-voinu-osvoboditelyu/

        And you are telling me here that people should live in poverty ..
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 28 December 2019 07: 20
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          Dear, what do you offer? Let the people remain in poverty? They have one life at all, and no other.


          straight grave smell of the corpse "Echo of Moscow" smelled that reasoned that it was necessary to surrender Leningrad and drink Bavarian.
          1. Avior
            Avior 28 December 2019 10: 08
            -1
            but you don’t want to answer the case or simply can’t?
            1. lopvlad
              lopvlad 29 December 2019 16: 51
              -1
              Quote: Avior
              and you answer the case


              in what case? . To live as you speak in poverty but retaining self-esteem, the right to speak and learn their children in their native language, they are not afraid to honor the memory of their ancestors, and openly proud of the memory of their fathers is much better than eating from the belly but selling and betraying it. who puts material in the first place, we lose the right to be called a man. And a large number of these are no longer people but a herd that either flees to another country when the enemy attacks or kisses his boots.
    4. Robertocalos
      Robertocalos 26 December 2019 14: 23
      -1
      How to decide? Buy a region from Zelensky? Gas for 100 years for free?
  6. janeck
    janeck 19 December 2019 15: 51
    +5
    himself a former miner. n \ o "Krasnodonugol" is the basis of the industry of Donbass was under the Union.
  7. g1v2
    g1v2 19 December 2019 16: 00
    +1
    The problem is that the mines have Ukrainian owners, whose rights are recognized by all. But they cannot mine coal legally, and no one will invest in their property besides them. And selling coal under legal schemes is also impossible. All coal can go only through resellers who mix it with Russian, overload it and make new documents. Further, this coal is much cheaper than the real price, because otherwise they will not buy it, because buyers know very well where it comes from. But resellers like Kurchenko will not invest in mines either - this is not their property.
    If there is no legalization of mines and coal mining on them, nothing will change.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 19 December 2019 19: 05
      -1
      And now this is not real. Not the time.
    2. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 26 December 2019 16: 12
      0
      The problem is that the mines have Ukrainian owners

      What, what?
      After the nationalization of LDNR enterprises, no Ukrainian owners exist anymore. They were simply "thrown" well. All responsibility lies with the authorities of the republics, which are not able to organize state administration, and the people themselves, who were seduced by promises, which, as lopvlad correctly noted
      and did someone promise them something or did they vote in the spring of 2014 for joining Russia?

      Of course, I understand that our media then bashfully hushed up the reason why Ukraine imposed an embargo against LDNR and turned off the power switch for the Crimea, but you are an adult, you need to at least slightly expand your ideas about the events that go beyond the official propaganda.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 26 December 2019 17: 46
        0
        There was no nationalization in the republics. The enterprises simply introduced external management. The owners are the same.
        The switch for the Crimea was not disconnected by Ukraine. Erdoогan did it. Then there was just an aggravation after the downing of our plane in Syria. Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people is an organization controlled by the Turkish intelligence service MIT. Therefore, the time for the energy block was so strange - not in the tourist season, when they could really do harm.
        Now we are in good relations with the Turks, and so the Mejlis members have calmed down and quietly squeeze the Kherson region under themselves. What Erdogan completely helps himself. request
  8. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 19 December 2019 16: 46
    0
    The DLNR does not dare to nationalize industry in any way! Until they remove the Vneshtorgservice CJSC stratum, which was fraudulent with the oligarch Kurchenko and the former prezik Yanukovych, to whom external control of the coal, metallurgical and energy sectors was transferred, everything will be so. The system is closed, data on its activities and taxes on income is a secret of state importance.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 19 December 2019 22: 03
      +1
      And the sense of nationalization, if no one recognizes it? For any state outside the republics, nothing will change. Republics are not recognized by anyone. The same Akhmetov can calmly turn to a Russian court and demand the confiscation of any coal mined at his mines when crossing the border. Without intermediaries such as Kurchenko, coal cannot be sold. Nobody will buy it stupidly. Tk it is illegal. No documents. connections, gray schemes coal can only be sold within the republics. request
      Hence the conclusion - to get rid of intermediaries, you need legalization.
      1. Yuri Simple
        Yuri Simple 20 December 2019 07: 48
        -1
        Of course, Akhmetov can turn. No problem. The question is whether his appeal will be heard. In the end, it can be brought under sanctions and a fine on property - the same coal. Salary arrears, it can be considered in any way. Here the question is exclusively in desire. It is another matter that for this one should stop the polka-butterfly dancing around the ukro-oligarchs. While dancing is in full swing. But it is today. And tomorrow?
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 20 December 2019 11: 22
          0
          Quote: Yuri Simple
          Of course, Akhmetov can turn. No problem. The question is whether his appeal will be heard.

          They will hear how. Have you forgotten Peskov’s words? Regarding Golunov, Ustinov? The judiciary - above all else, as the court says - it will be so, and no one decree bully
          it's me in my own words, but the meaning of his words is this
  9. nikolai.kolya
    nikolai.kolya 19 December 2019 17: 30
    +2
    yeah ..... believe in the Crimean spring fellow
    I'm sorry, of course, the people who are held hostage by the "tractor drivers" and "miners"
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 19 December 2019 19: 09
      -4
      Better this spring (albeit this one) than the shootings of the population by the criminal coup d'étators who seized the state armaments and shot the Donbass. I think they will soon be "judged" (by their own).
      1. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus 19 December 2019 21: 35
        -1
        This spring is better (albeit such) than the executions of the population by criminal coups who seized state armaments and shot Donbass

        Listen, 5 years have passed! who shot whom? You are trying to ascribe romance and revolutionism where there is none at all, for such a period you could already calmly, without emotions, figure out what really happened.
        In April-May, the 14th war in Slavyansk was completely virtual in nature, usually like: an event happened, so in the news there is always a video sequence, albeit small, albeit 1000 times repeated, but at least some kind of picture.
        In Slavyansk there were no pictures at all, there were only virtual skirmishes in the words of the TV presenters and this did not bother anyone.
        There were some organized crime groups of local disgrace who decided to rise in the cypress, not the SBU there, nor the residents themselves really understood what was happening. SBUshniks even beat an arrow at that ill-fated TV tower to talk to them, figure out who they are, what they want. And those not according to the concepts of SBUshnikov failed.
        There were no crucified boys, even RosTV already managed to repent publicly for this.
        Why did the Donbass need to be teased by joining the Russian Federation?
        Well, the exalted audience was impressed, well, I went to the departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the High Command to climb the blue case through the fence to the powder warehouse or to the armory, the guards told them STOP once, the two said STOP, and the third, of course, was shot.
        Then all sorts of Girkins appeared, who had a dislocation from the very beginning "FOR the Russian world, for the father of the tsar !!!." But no one was even embarrassed by the contradiction that the Minister of Defense of the DPR was a citizen of the Russian Federation, although the conflict seemed to be a purely Ukrainian get-together. So away we go.
        No, of course, there were also "ideological" among the participants, they still lie in Rostov morgues, but in general everything was promoted purposefully, and one percent of schizophrenics in the form of Banderevites and fighters for the Russian world turned out to be enough to put several tens of thousands of people, and hundreds of thousands to leave their homes.
        But Prilepin, in general, was a fine fellow, brewed porridge, and set off for art at the Moscow Art Theater, and you see, they are shooting in the DPR and the land next to Givi, Motorola and Zakharchenko is allocated from the DPR budget ...
        1. Yuri Simple
          Yuri Simple 20 December 2019 07: 53
          -1
          In five years, it really would be possible to figure it out. Including in the rubble of ukropaganda and ordinary ukrovranya. But if the Ukrainian gentlemen still believe that someone needs their nonsense, then why "Freedom - will!" But you don't need to drag her here.
  10. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 19 December 2019 17: 52
    -1
    I will say so ... Gas, gas, and the coal will be more reliable!
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 19 December 2019 21: 09
      +3
      Unfortunately this will not work. If you converted your boiler to gas (and natural gas, there is a big difference with propane-butane). I can talk for hours on this topic (well, that). Return to coal ... I honestly don’t even understand how.
      I mean, I understand how, by the method of replacing boilers, but who should agree to such events?! .. They’re not a hundred rubles worth the parasites.
  11. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 19 December 2019 17: 54
    0
    "The exodus of miners to the neighboring Rostov region or other regions of the Russian Federation" - in the Rostov region, all mines are closed in Gukovo, Donetsk, Krasny Sulin, etc. - unprofitable, in my opinion only Obukhovskaya works in Zverevo, which belongs to Rinat Akhmetov, if I am not mistaken, so no one in this region is waiting for Donetsk and Luhansk miners, the options are either Kuzbass or Spitsbergen
    1. Yuri Simple
      Yuri Simple 20 December 2019 07: 55
      0
      Coal is mined (and production is growing) also on Sakhalin and in the area of ​​East Bam (Birch-Urgal)
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 20 December 2019 11: 26
        -1
        Coal is mined a lot where .. The question is - where is cheaper. Coal from Sakhalin cannot be cheap in any way in the southern regions, therefore there is a demand for Donbass coal, and not bad
        Another thing is that for momentary profit, a blow is struck throughout the industry.
  12. 113262a
    113262a 19 December 2019 18: 43
    +2
    The PTS crushed not only coal, but also water and electricity. We pay (and you can’t not pay, for a minimum of debt-disconnecting the subscriber) to the PTS structures. Despite the fact that the Ukrainians are yelling that LDNR does not pay for water, and Russia is confident that we have humanitarian aid! Do not care for the curators?
  13. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 19 December 2019 18: 55
    +1
    Egor Makhov (and his co) probably came out of suspended animation, or came from Antarctica on foot. This is a long time ago, and he "woke up".
  14. Dmitry Gundorov
    Dmitry Gundorov 19 December 2019 19: 33
    -2
    We wanted independence, got a sign and do not whine
    The truth is now, the local patriot does not understand what to write, do not like in the Donbass, a suitcase station Russia or Ukraine
    1. for
      for 19 December 2019 20: 11
      +4
      The great multi-player chess player started the game with white and won (Crimea) by sacrificing pawns (ldnr). Ordinarily ordinary people wanted imaginary independence.
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 19 December 2019 20: 14
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Gundorov
      We wanted independence, got a sign and do not whine
      The truth is now, the local patriot does not understand what to write, do not like in the Donbass, a suitcase station Russia or Ukraine

      ===
      who has what priorities, independence is more important for one, and he endures / hopes / works, for another well-being / immediate prospects, and he leaves. and the PMR has been holding on for some years now.
  15. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 19 December 2019 19: 47
    +1
    "In this situation, temporary downtime and troubles with wages are similar to death. Not only are the existing enterprises full of technical and economic problems, they may well be supplemented by personnel."
    In this regard, I agree.
    There is one unpleasant moment for the miners. With all due respect. An ordinary consumer, that is, an ordinary person living in the same private house (for example, me). Long ago I switched from coal to gas. And even in Ukraine. And even ten years ago. And he forgot that there is such fuel and "crossed himself".
    About the same thing was done by all boiler houses in the okrug.
    Therefore, where to put millions of tons of coal from the Donbass ?! With all due respect, I personally do not know.
    1. Yuri Simple
      Yuri Simple 20 December 2019 07: 58
      0
      The cessation of gas supplies from Russia and the growth of the "reverse" of the noble American gas from Poland will quickly revive the memory of "what such fuel is."
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 23 December 2019 21: 47
        +2
        Never. Crimea provides itself with gas.
        Learn the mat part.
  16. fa2998
    fa2998 19 December 2019 21: 41
    +2
    Quote: Starper-777
    I will say so ... Gas, gas, and the coal will be more reliable!

    I live in a former mining town. Yes, the coal is reliable, I threw it into a gent-winter is not terrible. But in Kemerovo this coal is loaded with excavators openly. In Donbass, coal is 800 meters underground, and 10 times more expensive. hi
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 19 December 2019 22: 23
      +1
      That’s not the point, actually. You understand. Well, where does the coal ?! Like the Crimea. Who is he interested in as a resort?
      Read the reviews. workers prefer the Turkish coast however. There games go THERE. And in these games we are simple pawns.
      I apologize if I offended anyone. I read reviews, Crimea bullshit.
      1. Yuri Simple
        Yuri Simple 20 December 2019 08: 13
        -1
        In the past year, as a resort, Crimea was interested in at least 6 million people. No matter how it is, this is extremely large. In Estonia, for example, 1,5 residents are considered. In Lithuania - about 3 million people. This is to compare.
        Coal really has nothing to do with it. But coal today is the base of Donbass as an economic object. Any pawn is able to queen. It's time for Donbass and the republics to stop listening to "curators" and other "players" and start living their own way. Both in politics and economics. All and any "gamblers" to drive in the neck, first of all, Ukrainian and pro-Ukrainian.
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 20 December 2019 11: 31
          +1
          Quote: Yuri Simple
          It's time for Donbass and the republics to stop listening to "curators"

          How do you imagine that?
          We have all foreign trade relations - through Russia, the slightest disobedience - and the "curators" will cut off oxygen for us
        2. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 23 December 2019 22: 02
          +2
          Coal in the Crimea today, this conversation is almost nothing.
          What the hell is coal ?! There are villages working on it.
          The main consumers are using natural gas. Gas is produced in the very Crimea! You will laugh. On the Black Sea shelf, enough gas is produced to cover local needs, there is even the opportunity to export gas.
  17. Maks1995
    Maks1995 20 December 2019 09: 52
    +3
    Ukraine does not need coal. Russia does not need coal. Someone stuffs his pockets, then leaves for Russia.
    But noble rebels. But not a single son of an oligarch, deputy, or official was hurt ....
  18. Po-tzan
    Po-tzan 20 December 2019 12: 33
    -1
    the ability of the LDNR government to fulfill its social obligations


    Why in the singular? After all, we have two governments and two republics with customs between them.
  19. Po-tzan
    Po-tzan 20 December 2019 12: 40
    -1
    Miners are an endangered species of Donbass. Will LDNR survive without the coal industry?


    Hmm, but at the very beginning of the Russian Spring, the inhabitants of Donbass beat themselves in the chest and shouted that they fed the rest of Ukraine throughout its mournful history.
    Why, having thrown off the oppression of freeloaders from central Ukraine and Zapadenschina, the "breadwinners" not only have not healed 10 times richer, but already cannot provide for themselves?
  20. lopvlad
    lopvlad 26 December 2019 12: 47
    -1
    The industry is breathing


    it cannot help but "breathe on the side" when Ukraine is undergoing a complete deindustrialization and the DPR and LPR are under sanctions. In Russia, there is its own coal industry, whose profits have also sagged due to the intensive gasification of the country.
    It makes sense to invest in the industry if there are sales markets for products manufactured in the industry. If nobody wants your product, not only over the hill, but even inside the country, then your industry is doomed.
    The coal industry of the LDNR can only be saved by the industrialization of the republics, but while there is a war, private business will not build and develop anything there, where not only will you have to work "under bullets" with unpredictable risks, but any product produced will fall under US sanctions.
    Now we can say with confidence that the demand for coal in the world will only fall.