Tests of 2S7M Malka with Import Substitution Reported

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By the end of this year, they promise to complete the tests of modernization of the self-propelled artillery gun 2C7 "Peony". We are talking about the 2S7M "Malka" caliber 203 mm with the implementation of import substitution.

The successful passage of the test of self-propelled guns of large caliber was told by the General Director of Uraltransmash Dmitry Semizorov for RIA News. It is noteworthy that this is actually the first official evidence that the new Malka is being tested.



According to Dmitry Semizorov, one of the stages of making changes was the transition to domestic components. In particular, instead of the Ukrainian gearbox and engine, the self-propelled gun is equipped with Russian components. Also, the 2S7M Malka receives new instrumentation systems. In addition, import substitution affected guidance systems and a defense complex.

The head of Uraltransmash noted that starting in 2020, mass production of these guns for the needs of the Russian Armed Forces will begin.

It is worth noting that the 2S7M Malka, having a cannon caliber (2A44) of 203 mm, is capable of firing various types of ammunition. Among them are active-reactive. Another important feature of this self-propelled gun is that it is capable of using special ammunition with a nuclear warhead.

The first modernization of "Peony" was carried out in the USSR in 1983.
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    1. +9
      December 17 2019


      Combat characteristics of ACS 2S7M "Malka".

      weight - 47 tons (with a full combat kit).
      gun - 203 mm, rifled 2A44.
      ammunition - 8 shells.
      firing range - 50 km (maximum).
      rate of fire - 2 rounds per minute.
      additional armament - 1 machine gun 12.7 mm.
      engine - V-12 cylinder, diesel, power - 850 hp
      speed - 55 km / h (maximum on the highway).
      crew - 6 people.
      combat deployment - 7 minutes, leave the position in - 5 minutes.
      1. +2
        December 18 2019
        Power 840 (instead of 850) hp It has a V-84 engine, on 2C7 of all options there is a V-46 with a capacity of 780 hp The firing range is not 50, but 47,5 km with an active rocket, the accuracy and accuracy of which can not be calculated, the firing tables are published for conventional shells with a maximum range of 37,5 km. Ammunition carried on self-propelled guns - 4 shots (ammunition is measured in shots, not shells). The crew is not the right term. 6 people actually move on the self-propelled guns, however, 12 people complete crews, the rest move on the attached vehicle, which carries the remaining 4 rounds of ammunition. Let's not stuff each other with incorrect information.
    2. -14
      December 17 2019
      Hmmm, why such a serious weapon?!?
      1. +32
        December 17 2019
        Quote: Stalllker
        Hmmm, why such a serious weapon?!?

        For the war.
        1. +8
          December 17 2019
          You can't say otherwise hi
          1. +5
            December 17 2019
            It was created to destroy SDs and other highly protected targets.
            1. +2
              December 17 2019
              but not small ammunition?
              1. +3
                December 17 2019
                Have you seen the shell? 152 it’s healthy, but it’s only a shell;
                1. 0
                  December 17 2019
                  Well, it’s self-propelled, don’t you have to carry it?
                  1. +2
                    December 17 2019
                    So how to charge? Put it on the pallet, for which there are 6 people. crew, 2 loaders, only
                    1. -2
                      December 17 2019
                      what does it have to do with it? can I carry more with me? 8 shells !! Total!!!
                      1. +1
                        December 17 2019
                        So they still have powder charges, the crew again, and on such a chassis the usable volume is limited, and not so much, a couple of volleys of battery will be demolished a quarter
                        1. +1
                          December 17 2019
                          if they hit right away, but to shoot?
                        2. +5
                          December 17 2019
                          Even here, chemists, sighting, 1-2 NURS, and even without shooting, but this is TOS, on the other hand, on such a gun, the calculation should work only with adjustment, without shooting
                        3. -1
                          December 17 2019
                          50 km without sighting or adjustment? to the grandfather’s village .. Nikanor Ivanovich
                        4. +3
                          December 17 2019
                          Normal gunners never work at extreme ranges, count there, don't count, KVO amba. On TOS-1, work up to 3 km, TOS-1A, 4.8 km max
                        5. +1
                          December 17 2019
                          a theory, so to speak, of probabilities ... but they may not give closer. for such an elephant every hunt will be conducted
                        6. +4
                          December 17 2019
                          Well no. There is such a discipline of ballistics hi
                          And by the way, that's exactly where they have the task of 2-3 volleys and a change of position or siege
                        7. +4
                          December 17 2019
                          well, we wish them good luck in battle ..
                        8. 0
                          December 17 2019
                          Wish, Roman, better luck to us: so that, God forbid, the Russian Armed Forces need to use such horrors in offensive operations (moreover, ALL territories west of Smolensk are hardly suitable for such equipment)
                        9. 0
                          December 17 2019
                          What country are you from, if not secret?
                        10. +1
                          December 17 2019
                          Quote: novel xnumx
                          50 km without sighting or adjustment? to the grandfather’s village .. Nikanor Ivanovich

                          I won’t be surprised if UAVs are attached to Malka and Tulip.
                        11. +2
                          December 17 2019
                          We are talking primarily about high-precision ammunition of the "Krasopol" type. With the advent of UAVs, which are used as a means of guidance, the effectiveness of these weapons has increased significantly. Therefore, they were reactivated. No need to shoot. Two ammunition 90% target destruction.
                        12. +4
                          December 17 2019
                          Quote: BerBer
                          We are talking primarily about high-precision ammunition of the "Krasopol" type.

                          There are no precision munitions in this caliber. Yes, they are not needed
                        13. 0
                          December 17 2019
                          But how to get there?
                        14. 0
                          December 17 2019
                          Quote: novel xnumx
                          But how to get there?

                          Slow and sad.

                          This is what is called "obsolete"
                        15. +2
                          December 17 2019
                          why then are these dances ??
                        16. -1
                          December 17 2019
                          Quote: novel xnumx
                          why then are these dances ??

                          laughing
                          And why should the usual replacement of the transport vehicle in the Sanyi be presented as equipping with new weapons?
                          Imitation of violent activity. For relatively little money.
                        17. +3
                          December 17 2019
                          There is no Stalin on them ...
                        18. +1
                          December 17 2019
                          Quote: novel xnumx
                          There is no Stalin on them ...

                          Et yes ...
                        19. 0
                          December 17 2019
                          Do you think that Malki’s modernization is in principle unnecessary (as I understand it, they are going to upgrade existing machines)?
                        20. +1
                          December 17 2019
                          Quote: sivuch
                          Do you think that Malki’s modernization is in principle unnecessary (as I understand it, they are going to upgrade existing machines)?

                          Yes.
                          It would be better to spend this money on bringing all 2С19 to 2С19М2, equipping the remaining 2А65 and 2С3 ASUNO systems.
                          Well, for staging "Coalition"

                          But all these unnecessary spending on cannon artillery, all these "Peonies" / "Malky" and "Hyacinths" - stop. They may look brutal, but they do not meet modern requirements.
                        21. 0
                          December 17 2019
                          So after all Msty and so bring
                        22. 0
                          December 17 2019
                          Definitely not? Could have developed already?
                        23. 0
                          December 17 2019
                          Definitely not
                          And the development will be a waste of money
                        24. +2
                          December 17 2019
                          Quote: Spade
                          no precision munitions. Yes, they are not needed

                          It seems that their ability to use special PSU has become the main function, and the rest - as if by the way.
                      2. NKT
                        +9
                        December 17 2019
                        Each such self-propelled guns has its own transport vehicle with a basic ammunition load of 40 shells. Therefore - 8 on board, 40 in a transport vehicle.
                        1. +2
                          December 17 2019
                          exhaustively ... hi
                      3. 0
                        December 17 2019
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        can I carry more with me? 8 shells !! Total!!!

                        With its rate of fire and 8 shells from one position, you can not have time to shoot, as they spot and cover. After three or four shots, you need to change the position, and replenish the ammunition along the way or in a new position.
                2. +2
                  December 17 2019
                  without PZ, the two only carry

                  Andrei no one carries shells together for 2s7. If, of course, it is possible, but they are more than 100 kg. There, such a special manipulator you put a shell into him; he himself transfers it to where necessary. Four people are carrying shells from the ground to the manipulator and it’s inconvenient.
                  Probably now on the Internet videos we have everything was secret ....
              2. 0
                December 18 2019
                Created for the use of special charges Kleshchevina, Sapling and Hammer from 0,5 to 10 ct

                There are two such shells per car wassat
            2. 0
              December 17 2019
              As I understand it, to ensure offensive operations?
              If I am wrong, then please be kind enough to explain the use of such weapons in the framework of the modern military Doctrine of Russia and its place in military formation.
              Thank you very much in advance.
              1. -3
                December 17 2019
                Quote: hydrox
                As I understand it, to ensure offensive operations?

                In order to depict cheaply vigorous activity
              2. 0
                December 18 2019
                To me, katstsa for Malki can be developed by planning ammunition with Inertial or Glonass navigation or with laser target designation. Now imagine in Syria in Latakia there are a couple of such divisions and thinning out the Idlib viper for 140 km ... These are serious plans that can be realized.
            3. -1
              December 17 2019
              But is it suitable for destruction?
      2. 0
        December 17 2019
        Because everything is serious ............
    3. +1
      December 17 2019
      Is there a high-precision shell for her?
      1. +3
        December 17 2019
        This mystery is covered in darkness. Peony didn't seem to have
      2. +2
        December 17 2019
        I’m also surprised about the silence for the corrected shells ... One conclusion suggests itself - shells with specials. Warheads became much cheaper recourse
        1. +2
          December 17 2019
          Not without it wink
        2. +2
          December 17 2019
          Quote: engineer74
          shells with special. Warheads became much cheaper

          And add. the function of these tools becomes basic. Yes
          1. -3
            December 17 2019
            These guns have the same main and additional functions - to quickly become cut metal and get into marten, so as not to make all the armies of the world wallow with laughter ...
      3. 0
        December 17 2019
        For what purpose are you interested, NATO asked? We ourselves do not know and we will not tell you. request lol
    4. +2
      December 17 2019
      Eh, but it could have been 210 muimeters! Something didn't grow together ... I just don't remember ... In inches, of course, it's still "the same" ... but only the inches were different ... the English (Russian), French, Germans, Austrians .. ... request
      1. NKT
        +3
        December 17 2019
        Because the plant proposed to unify the caliber with the mastered B-4 and the MO agreed.
        1. -7
          December 17 2019
          In today's conditions, it makes sense to drive this gun (with Russian components laughing !) Together with all the warehouse supplies of the old BP, some landmarks obsessed with the megalomania would have removed this ugliness from weapons and forever forgot about it like a bad dream.
          1. -1
            December 18 2019
            It's funny, but not one of the Du Bilov, who minus my comments on this topic, never served in the SA, did not dub in positions, did not eat stew with shrapnel, and did not even go through the KMB, not to mention military education. NONE of these couch troops could answer any of my questions about this shameful type of weapons, on which millions of people's funds are spent from the budget, due to the lack of which in the Russian social sphere, we will soon have French problems in full growth, but with noticeably more serious consequences due to the much heavier character of the Russian people in comparison with all sorts of lightweight Caucasians.
      2. +2
        December 17 2019
        Inches are the same. Measured in different ways.
        Shells 152/155 mm can be loaded into 155/152 mm barrels.
        Another thing is that the trunks have different chambers and ballistics.
        1. +2
          December 17 2019
          Quote: Simargl
          Inches are the same. Measured in different ways.

          1. English inch = 2,54 cm; 2. French inch = 2,707 cm; 3. Austrian (Vienna) inch = 2,634 cm; 4.German (Rhine Union) inch = 2,615 cm ... Inches the same? belay
          1. +1
            December 17 2019
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Are the inches the same?
            By the middle of the XIX century, English remained in circulation, the rest had meters.
            So yes: 152 (152,4) are 6 inches across the rifling fields, 155 are across the rifling.
            1. +1
              December 17 2019
              Quote: Simargl
              So yes: 152 (152,4) are 6 inches across the rifling fields, 155 are across the rifling.

              Where will you put the "Germans" (150 mm ... or: 149,7 mm and 149,1 mm ... measurements in the fields!)?
              1. 0
                December 18 2019
                What about the cuts?
      3. +4
        December 17 2019
        210 mm guns were during the Second World War. 10 trunks from the Czechs bought in 1938. One barrel was shot in tests at the 33rd firing range. And eight trunks were put on carriages and made 4 batteries of 2 guns. In a compartment with 152 mm cannons, they were OM RVGK divisions. Then, by the end of the 44th, they were reformed into the regiments of OM RVGK. The correctness of such a decision can be confirmed by Koenigsberg. After the Second World War, some of these regiments were transferred to the Far East to participate in the defeat of the Kwantung Army. But due to the rains at the beginning of the operation, they did not fire even once, and because of the bulky nature and huge masses, they could not move behind successfully advancing troops. Then (after rearmament), these regiments formed the basis of army artillery sets. Some are still alive. So in Ussuriysk on December 31 this year, one of them will celebrate its 75th anniversary.
        Congratulations to you, team.
        1. +1
          December 17 2019
          Quote: smel
          210 mm guns were during the Second World War. 10 trunks from the Czechs bought in 1938.

          The barrels were bought for the "duplex" under development: the 210-mm gun Br-17/305-mm howitzer Br-18 ...
    5. -17
      December 17 2019
      Archaic expensive useless toy
      1. +7
        December 17 2019
        About the uselessness at the Palace of Soviets in Grozny, ask for which 4 shells in total took
        1. NKT
          +4
          December 17 2019
          There Tulip seems to be applied .....
          1. +2
            December 17 2019
            I don’t remember exactly, but the artillery of special power was definitely attracted
          2. +3
            December 17 2019
            Both were used.
        2. 0
          December 18 2019
          I remember an Englishwoman shouting something about operational-tactical nuclear weapons ... It was like that lol
      2. +3
        December 17 2019
        What are modern alternatives?
        Well, please voice the cost.
      3. +4
        December 17 2019
        oh I wouldn’t say so) it is the ability to strike tactical infantry makes it very dangerous in any direction. taking into account its specificity and power, it will always be possible to apply it. and what archaic is permissible in it in comparison with the field transport?) but they are also in no hurry to write them off.
      4. +2
        December 17 2019
        Quote: Hwostatij
        Archaic expensive useless toy

        ========
        Tell it to those who fell under its fire in South Ossetia !!!
    6. +1
      December 17 2019
      Interestingly, is there a 203 mm active-reactive guided projectile for her? If laser or satellite guidance was installed in 152 mm caliber, then why not put it in 203?)
      1. 0
        December 17 2019
        There is a mine for the Tulip, but I doubt it about the shell. All the same, the gun, the more rifled.
      2. +5
        December 17 2019
        Quote: Potato
        interesting, 203 mm active-reactive guided projectile for it is?

        Active-reactive ... yes! Managed ... promised to develop in the "near future" ...
      3. 0
        December 17 2019
        Quote: Potato
        Interestingly, is there a 203 mm active-reactive guided projectile for her?

        ========
        There is no such data! Although this does not mean that this "no one was engaged and no one was engaged"!
    7. -6
      December 17 2019
      Why then support the dollar?
      1. +3
        December 17 2019
        Quote: Ura Orlov
        Why then support the dollar?

        And where is the dollar? You did not confuse sites? And ... who supports him? Me not. State too. If you don’t, then it’ll be fine.
    8. +2
      December 17 2019
      Serious gun! good
      The performance characteristics of 2C7 Peony
      - Years of production: 2C7 - from 1975 to 1985; 2S7M - from 1986 to 1990
      - years of operation: since 1975
      - Number of issued, pcs: more than 500

      Crew 2S7 Peony

      - 7 people

      Sizes 2C7 Peony

      - body Length, mm: 10 500
      - Length with gun forward, mm: 13 200
      - housing width, mm: 3380
      - Height, mm: 3000
      - Ground clearance, mm: 400

      Weight 2C7 Peony

      - 45 tons

      Booking 2C7 Peony

      - Type of armor: bulletproof
      - housing forehead (bottom), mm / city: 12
      - hull side, mm / city: 8 + 13
      - Bottom, mm: 8-16

      Armament 2C7 Peony

      - Caliber and brand of gun: 203 mm 2A44
      - gun type: rifled gun
      - barrel length, calibres: 55,3
      - gun ammunition: 4
      - Machine guns: 1 × 12,7 mm NSVT

      Firing Range 2C7 Peony

      - 8,4 ... 47,5 km

      Engine 2C7 Peony

      - engine type: B-46-1
      - Engine power, l. s: 780
      - Specific power, l. s / t: 17,25

      Speed ​​2C7 Peony

      - Speed ​​on the highway, km / h: 50

      - Cruising on the highway, km: 675
      - Capacity of fuel tanks, l: 1280.

    9. -4
      December 17 2019
      Is she too old? Maybe it’s more correct to start creating a new cannon to replace Peony?
      1. -1
        December 17 2019
        Quote: Basarev
        Is she too old?

        Too.

        Quote: Basarev
        Maybe it’s more correct to start creating a new cannon to replace Peony?

        There is a long time.
        2C19. In the future 2C35
        1. +1
          December 17 2019
          This is a pathetic 152 mm. But on the promising 203 mm caliber system, nothing is heard.
          1. 0
            December 17 2019
            Quote: Basarev
            But on the promising 203 mm caliber system, nothing is heard.

            Because she is not needed.

            Quote: Basarev
            This is a pathetic 152 mm.

            They are more than enough on the modern battlefield
            1. 0
              December 17 2019
              Quote: Spade
              Because she is not needed.

              Please explain in more detail this point, very interesting. Or give a link where to read.
              1. -2
                December 17 2019
                Quote: Fikys
                Please explain in more detail this point, very interesting. Or give a link where to read.

                Open Wikipedia, look at the first, the rate of fire and secondly, the deployment time from marching to combat.
                Compare with 2C19 and 2C35.
                And you will understand everything.
        2. +2
          December 17 2019
          There is a long time.
          2C19. In the future 2C35

          You have a strange idea about this. The tasks of these weapons systems are completely different. But to the joyful and victorious reports on the issue of "Malka" (as well as "Msta"), oh, how far away. To tear something off to someone for this "Malka". And at the same time for the 12th complex.
          Well, having said "A", you have to say "B" too. It's time to bring the line of ammunition to the level of 35 years ago. Those who know understand what I mean ...
          1. -2
            December 17 2019
            Quote: smel
            You have a strange idea about this. The tasks of these weapons systems are completely different.

            Oh well...
            What are the challenges facing a 203-mm self-propelled guns, an impossible 152-mm gun.
            1. 0
              December 17 2019
              to break the record for the applicable caliber ?? lol
            2. +1
              December 17 2019
              Quote: Spade
              What are the challenges facing a 203-mm self-propelled guns, an impossible 152-mm gun.

              Those that require greater projectile power, the destruction of buried shelters, caponiers, etc. It is not always possible to compensate for quality with quantity.
              1. -2
                December 17 2019
                Quote: Fikys
                It is not always possible to compensate for quality with quantity.

                Specifically, in the modern battlefield, always.
                And four 152-mm shells and even more so six 152-mm shells by the power of action at the target and the probability of its destruction far ahead of one 203-mm shell
                1. +3
                  December 17 2019
                  I’m now recalling the history of the 203-mm assault self-propelled guns described by uv. Y. Pasholoka in his book on SU-152 and other self-propelled guns based on HF.
                  Time after time, design bureaus and factories produced projects and even live 8 "self-propelled guns. And time after time GAU put an end to them - because it turned out that all the tasks of the proposed 203-mm self-propelled guns could be solved by the existing SU-152 / ISU-152 ...
            3. +5
              December 17 2019
              What are the challenges facing a 203-mm self-propelled guns, an impossible 152-mm gun.
              It seems to me that we have already met on the sidelines of the Military Review. I repeat what I have already said. This is not the place for serious debate and foul level discussions. Enough on this site just cheers.
              In order to understand the difference and see the problems, mistakes, nonsense revealed during the modernization of Malki, entering her into the composition of the parts you just need to be a specialist. If not difficult, read all my comments on this scribble about Malka. Maybe then something will become clear.
              This system is not the first year in service. And not the second one. I know that some great specialists have already been planted even for its transportation (once Kommersant already wrote about this) - this is the first. The second - engines for her in Chelyabinsk did. So import substitution is just a fashion trend. Elementary it was necessary to change the base to a more modern, technological and well-established in production, because 2s7 base was original, and the first samples generally carried 2 shells. Thirdly: the fallacy of the decision to disband large-power brigades was proved by subsequent events and the experience of using RV&A in them. Fourth: sheer stupidity (if not criminal activity) of Serdyukov and Co. led to further degradation of artillery as a kind of army. The reasons are the sea. I will not waste time describing them, and I don’t want to approach the restricted area. And this timid and at the same time stupid attempt to cross the hedgehog with the hedgehog for putting Malki into operation is another nonsense for which, as always, line officers, commanders of the Abr and, naturally, soldiers will pay. Examples of reckoning already exist (not advertise).
              If you, dear, have a different opinion, I’m proud that we have so many optimists.
              1. -1
                December 17 2019
                Quote: smel
                Thirdly: the fallacy of the decision to disband large-power brigades was proved by subsequent events and the experience of using RV&A in them.

                This is not necessary ...
                The highest efficiency of "Tulips" during military operations in settlements does not mean the need for "Peonies" / "Malkas".

                For a mortar with an adjustable mine is one thing, and a gun is another.
                1. -1
                  December 18 2019
                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: smel
                  Thirdly: the fallacy of the decision to disband large-power brigades was proved by subsequent events and the experience of using RV&A in them.

                  This is not necessary ...
                  The highest efficiency of "Tulips" during military operations in settlements does not mean the need for "Peonies" / "Malkas".

                  For a mortar with an adjustable mine is one thing, and a gun is another.

                  Then answer what a gun is. This is the same as saying a car. But cars are different. And so the gun is ....
                  1. -2
                    December 18 2019
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    Then answer what a gun is.

                    This is not a mortar 8)))))
                2. 0
                  December 18 2019
                  This is not necessary ...
                  The highest efficiency of "Tulips" during military operations in settlements does not mean the need for "Peonies" / "Malkas".

                  For a mortar with an adjustable mine is one thing, and a gun is another



                  Dear Mr. Lopatov. A rhetorical question for you: what do you know about this topic, about which you so categorically argue? I am sure that there is nothing but scribble read in the media. I know everything on this topic, starting from the BSEC and ending with the name of the performers. Your non-papal comments with the glorifications of 2S19, with calls to bring them to 2S19M2 are so funny for me that they can’t even be conveyed. Do you know examples of how these products work? Do you know how many of them worked, where, who led, the results and reasons for the transition of 50 glanders to 2C3M from the original 2C19? Do you know how many and where artillerymen gave their soul to God due to errors in the design and execution of artillery systems? Understood the reasons? If yes, then in PM I have a few words on this subject. I will give you my phone number and talk.
                  What do you know about ASUNO? Where does it work? Eh ... Too many haters.
                  1. -3
                    December 18 2019
                    Quote: smel
                    What do you know about ASUNO?

                    I know how to do without them ....
                    Do you know what it means to call fire at your coordinates, because in the mountains you can stupidly not catch the first gap for zeroing? Moreover, smoke shells under 152 mm "seem to be there, but nobody has ever seen them"
                    Do you know how scary it is to drive the gap when shooting in the immediate vicinity of your troops, especially when you stick around with the infantry?
                    Do you know what it is like to wait for the opening of fire when your unit is specifically squeezed?

                    Yes, you do not know nichrome. In addition to inflating the nails, zero.
                    1. 0
                      December 18 2019
                      I know. And at 80 meters from himself he laid mines
                      1. -3
                        December 18 2019
                        Quote: smel
                        I know. And at 80 meters from himself he laid mines

                        8))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                        And got a lot done?
                    2. 0
                      December 18 2019
                      I feel sorry for you. Too much text. And about the mountains - in general, Krylov’s fables. Even spotters who walked with Gr SpN do not carry such a blizzard. I know only two. From the Muzhichi region, one, the other northwest of Komsomolskoe.
                      1. -3
                        December 18 2019
                        Quote: smel
                        Even spotters who walked with Gr SpN do not carry such a blizzard.

                        And you ask them.

                        By the way, for the general development, under your mysterious "spotters who went with the GR SPN from the area of ​​Muzhichi, one, the other north-west of Komsomolskoye." officers from the Armenian are hiding. Tell you which dining room they went to for dinner. and what is their route to the park on Shalhi via Holzman? The regiment, by the way, was on 2S19.
                        They, damn it, will tell you a lot about the need for an ASUNO. Especially the fifth battery officers. Which raked near Chemulga half of the city’s package due to the error of the SOB of the visiting reactors
                        1. -1
                          December 18 2019
                          And you ask them.
                          I’ll have to ask Pogorelov to inform me about Lopatov’s specialist.
                          And that battery, like the seventh, in a month, as a rule, could work one of five to six
                        2. -1
                          December 18 2019
                          All! We finished the conversation on this topic. Nasty
                        3. -1
                          December 18 2019
                          Quote: smel
                          And that battery, like the seventh

                          The third division did not go to Chechnya at all.
                        4. -1
                          December 18 2019
                          Armament was changing. I think you know. And the battery number did not mean that it was there.
                        5. 0
                          December 18 2019
                          Quote: smel
                          Armament was changing. I think you know. And the battery number did not mean that it was there.

                          8)))))))))))))
                          Pancake....
                          I write that as a result of a fatal error in the reactive security system's SOB, the fifth battery suffered very much. Including battery commander. As far as I remember, shrapnel in the back. Well, the second company of the tank battalion of the 693rd regiment also raked in the forest belt.

                          If reactivists had an automated control system, if the installations had automated guidance and fire control systems, this would not have happened.

                          And you tell me some kind of dregs about the seventh battery, which somewhere there "could work" ...
                          What are you talking about???

                          Not even that. Do you understand what this is about?
                        6. -1
                          December 18 2019
                          Stay with your opinion. It is right, fair; in everything, always and everywhere. It is with this and .....
                        7. 0
                          December 18 2019
                          Regarding ASUNO in our country, I’ll tell you a secret: it does not work anywhere. And even in the 385th in the best of times, when there were specialists at your side from the Uralmashzavod when placing it back in Bersheti (and it’s not there right now) and if it had 4 more 2C19 divisions in it, it wasn’t. Even when you get M2 from scratch. He worked only in India at the time and for quite some time. And it’s sad that even 2С2 is being upgraded under M3 - the grandmas are washed. Leaky, rusty, with welded hatches for spare parts and headsets .. But M2. So sometimes you may be wrong ... Although not ... You are always right, everywhere and further in the text.
                        8. +1
                          December 18 2019
                          Quote: smel
                          Stay with your opinion.

                          This has not been "my opinion" for a long time, it has been a worldwide trend since the days of the Takfaer automated control system.

                          The Ukrainian firmochka creates artillery ACS almost at the knee, the Americans buy it for the Afghan army ...
                          And as a result, Afghan towed artillery overtakes the Russian generation.

                          And we did a normal ACS Penza, we drove over exhibitions for more than ten years ... and it seems like they stopped. Tired of it.
                    3. -2
                      December 18 2019
                      Yes, you do not know nichrome. In addition to inflating the nails, zero.

                      And you are a boor, my friend !! Anyway. I know no less than yours on the subject under discussion. And what is it like in practice I’ll say that I personally shot from a mortar 80 meters from myself, on the main charge. The area of ​​the Ukerigo Pass. Where Hero Kokshin received.
                      1. -2
                        December 18 2019
                        Quote: smel
                        And you are a boor, my friend !!

                        Are you not used to being reciprocated in response to rudeness?
                        Get used to it.

                        Quote: smel
                        And what is it like in practice I’ll say that I personally shot from a mortar 80 meters from myself, on the main charge.

                        You, damn it, do not even understand what, in fact, we are talking about. And what is the difference between throwing mines with your own hand from calling fire in its coordinates.
                        And after that you have the audacity with aplomb to talk about artillery.
                        1. -1
                          December 18 2019
                          Are you not used to being reciprocated in response to rudeness?
                          Get used to it

                          I re-read our dialogue with you. For my part, I did not find that I could offend until the moment of insults on your part.
                          Are you a boor in life, or have you acquired this personality trait? Apparently someone was underworked from Shapoval, Muratov, Golubenko (kingdom of heaven), Kablukov, Koshelev, Zheludev Sivachuk, Salamov. It’s sad. But they are excellent commanders.
                        2. -1
                          December 18 2019
                          Quote: smel
                          I re-read our dialogue with you. For my part, I did not find that I could offend until the moment of insults on your part.

                          That is, you think your statements about my supposedly complete incompetence are quite normal? Although, as your phrase about the mortar showed, you are clearly not so versed in artillery to judge it.

                          You went on an aggravation. You got what you asked for. What may be questions to me? With what kind of buddun did you decide that I was obliged to substitute a second cheek? You have obviously hypertrophied conceit.
                        3. 0
                          December 18 2019
                          That is, you your statements about my supposedly complete incompetence
                          I re-read it again. About incompetence did not find allegations.
                          There was a call in PM to inform those issues in which you are competent. I promised you to give your phone and talk on issues whose opinion does not coincide. Something like this...
                        4. 0
                          December 18 2019
                          Quote: smel
                          About incompetence did not find allegations.

                          ?????????
                          Quote: smel
                          Dear Mr. Lopatov. A rhetorical question for you: what do you know about this topic, about which you so categorically argue? I am sure that there is nothing but scribble read in the media.

                          Damn, you completely lack even a hint of self-criticism.
      2. 0
        December 17 2019
        Why, if there is an MLRS?
        1. +1
          December 17 2019
          Quote: strannik1985
          Why, if there is an MLRS?

          The shell is cheaper, and their stocks are already not small, including nuclear.
        2. +1
          December 18 2019
          Quote: strannik1985
          Why, if there is an MLRS?

          MLRS is a multiple launch rocket system, and if a single target why volley fire?
      3. +1
        December 17 2019
        New shells will be developed for them, put into series and there will be order, all the more complex control and guidance on these guns put new ones.
    10. +3
      December 17 2019
      In particular, instead of the Ukrainian gearbox and engine, the self-propelled gun is equipped with Russian components

      Who knows why Ukrainian gearbox and engine? As far as I know, these elements are Chelyabinsk.
    11. -1
      December 17 2019
      We are talking about the 2S7M "Malka" caliber 203 mm with the implementation of import substitution.
      Is it that they IMPORTED there?
      1. -3
        December 17 2019
        Is it that they IMPORTED there?

        But read the article in any way?
        In particular, instead of the Ukrainian gearbox and engine, the self-propelled gun is equipped with Russian components.
    12. 0
      December 17 2019
      In my opinion, no one in the world has analogues of this system, is it worthwhile to shoot out of this weapon with ammunition with special combat unit if there are more effective ways of delivering gifts to an adversary? Only if a new guided munition in this caliber was invented cheaper than a guided missile
    13. 0
      December 17 2019
      Quote: Alexey RA
      I’m now recalling the history of the 203-mm assault self-propelled guns described by uv. Y. Pasholoka in his book on SU-152 and other self-propelled guns based on HF.
      Time after time, design bureaus and factories produced projects and even live 8 "self-propelled guns. And time after time GAU put an end to them - because it turned out that all the tasks of the proposed 203-mm self-propelled guns could be solved by the existing SU-152 / ISU-152 ...

      Only B-4 (GAU index - 52-G-625) do not say this, be offended!
      In our second defense of Sevastopol, frits from captured B-4s threw ours at the same G-620 in bunkers of the 2nd strip and coastal batteries!
      I saw breaks in concrete after such gizmos, 105 and 155 mm left only chips. Yes
    14. -1
      December 17 2019
      Malka needs a new barrel and shell .... with a range of 100km
    15. +1
      December 18 2019
      Since when has the B-46 engine and BKP from the T-72 become Ukrainian? The site completely went down.
      1. 0
        December 19 2019
        Since when has the B-46 engine and BKP from the T-72 become Ukrainian?
        And I am the same. laughing

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