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Tests of 2S7M Malka with Import Substitution Reported

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By the end of this year, they promise to complete the tests of modernization of the self-propelled artillery gun 2C7 "Peony". We are talking about the 2S7M "Malka" caliber 203 mm with the implementation of import substitution.


The successful passage of the test of self-propelled guns of large caliber was told by the General Director of Uraltransmash Dmitry Semizorov for RIA News. It is noteworthy that this is actually the first official evidence that the new Malka is being tested.

According to Dmitry Semizorov, one of the stages of making changes was the transition to domestic components. In particular, instead of the Ukrainian gearbox and engine, the self-propelled gun is equipped with Russian components. Also, the 2S7M Malka receives new instrumentation systems. In addition, import substitution affected guidance systems and a defense complex.

The head of Uraltransmash noted that starting in 2020, mass production of these guns for the needs of the Russian Armed Forces will begin.

It is worth noting that the 2S7M Malka, having a cannon caliber (2A44) of 203 mm, is capable of firing various types of ammunition. Among them are active-reactive. Another important feature of this self-propelled gun is that it is capable of using special ammunition with a nuclear warhead.

The first modernization of "Peony" was carried out in the USSR in 1983.
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  1. cost
    cost 17 December 2019 06: 20
    +9


    Combat characteristics of ACS 2S7M "Malka".

    weight - 47 tons (with a full combat kit).
    gun - 203 mm, rifled 2A44.
    ammunition - 8 shells.
    firing range - 50 km (maximum).
    rate of fire - 2 rounds per minute.
    additional armament - 1 machine gun 12.7 mm.
    engine - V-12 cylinder, diesel, power - 850 hp
    speed - 55 km / h (maximum on the highway).
    crew - 6 people.
    combat deployment - 7 minutes, leave the position in - 5 minutes.
    1. samaravega
      samaravega 18 December 2019 18: 58
      +2
      Power 840 (instead of 850) hp It has a V-84 engine, on 2C7 of all options there is a V-46 with a capacity of 780 hp The firing range is not 50, but 47,5 km with an active rocket, the accuracy and accuracy of which can not be calculated, the firing tables are published for conventional shells with a maximum range of 37,5 km. Ammunition carried on self-propelled guns - 4 shots (ammunition is measured in shots, not shells). The crew is not the right term. 6 people actually move on the self-propelled guns, however, 12 people complete crews, the rest move on the attached vehicle, which carries the remaining 4 rounds of ammunition. Let's not stuff each other with incorrect information.
  2. Stalllker
    Stalllker 17 December 2019 06: 41
    -14
    Hmmm, why such a serious weapon?!?
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 17 December 2019 06: 50
      +32
      Quote: Stalllker
      Hmmm, why such a serious weapon?!?

      For the war.
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 17 December 2019 06: 52
        +8
        You can't say otherwise hi
        1. cost
          cost 17 December 2019 07: 22
          +5
          It was created to destroy SDs and other highly protected targets.
          1. novel66
            novel66 17 December 2019 07: 28
            +2
            but not small ammunition?
            1. K-612-O
              K-612-O 17 December 2019 07: 33
              +3
              Have you seen the shell? 152 it’s healthy, but it’s only a shell;
              1. novel66
                novel66 17 December 2019 07: 33
                0
                Well, it’s self-propelled, don’t you have to carry it?
                1. K-612-O
                  K-612-O 17 December 2019 07: 35
                  +2
                  So how to charge? Put it on the pallet, for which there are 6 people. crew, 2 loaders, only
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 17 December 2019 07: 36
                    -2
                    what does it have to do with it? can I carry more with me? 8 shells !! Total!!!
                    1. K-612-O
                      K-612-O 17 December 2019 07: 39
                      +1
                      So they still have powder charges, the crew again, and on such a chassis the usable volume is limited, and not so much, a couple of volleys of battery will be demolished a quarter
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 17 December 2019 07: 39
                        +1
                        if they hit right away, but to shoot?
                      2. K-612-O
                        K-612-O 17 December 2019 07: 42
                        +5
                        Even here, chemists, sighting, 1-2 NURS, and even without shooting, but this is TOS, on the other hand, on such a gun, the calculation should work only with adjustment, without shooting
                      3. novel66
                        novel66 17 December 2019 07: 43
                        -1
                        50 km without sighting or adjustment? to the grandfather’s village .. Nikanor Ivanovich
                      4. K-612-O
                        K-612-O 17 December 2019 07: 47
                        +3
                        Normal gunners never work at extreme ranges, count there, don't count, KVO amba. On TOS-1, work up to 3 km, TOS-1A, 4.8 km max
                      5. novel66
                        novel66 17 December 2019 07: 48
                        +1
                        a theory, so to speak, of probabilities ... but they may not give closer. for such an elephant every hunt will be conducted
                      6. K-612-O
                        K-612-O 17 December 2019 07: 51
                        +4
                        Well no. There is such a discipline of ballistics hi
                        And by the way, that's exactly where they have the task of 2-3 volleys and a change of position or siege
                      7. novel66
                        novel66 17 December 2019 07: 59
                        +4
                        well, we wish them good luck in battle ..
                      8. hydrox
                        hydrox 17 December 2019 09: 13
                        0
                        Wish, Roman, better luck to us: so that, God forbid, the Russian Armed Forces need to use such horrors in offensive operations (moreover, ALL territories west of Smolensk are hardly suitable for such equipment)
                      9. MoJloT
                        MoJloT 17 December 2019 10: 20
                        0
                        What country are you from, if not secret?
                      10. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 17 December 2019 14: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        50 km without sighting or adjustment? to the grandfather’s village .. Nikanor Ivanovich

                        I won’t be surprised if UAVs are attached to Malka and Tulip.
                      11. Berber
                        Berber 17 December 2019 09: 06
                        +2
                        We are talking primarily about high-precision ammunition of the "Krasopol" type. With the advent of UAVs, which are used as a means of guidance, the effectiveness of these weapons has increased significantly. Therefore, they were reactivated. No need to shoot. Two ammunition 90% target destruction.
                      12. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 December 2019 10: 07
                        +4
                        Quote: BerBer
                        We are talking primarily about high-precision ammunition of the "Krasopol" type.

                        There are no precision munitions in this caliber. Yes, they are not needed
                      13. novel66
                        novel66 17 December 2019 10: 12
                        0
                        But how to get there?
                      14. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 December 2019 10: 15
                        0
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        But how to get there?

                        Slow and sad.

                        This is what is called "obsolete"
                      15. novel66
                        novel66 17 December 2019 10: 31
                        +2
                        why then are these dances ??
                      16. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 December 2019 10: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        why then are these dances ??

                        laughing
                        And why should the usual replacement of the transport vehicle in the Sanyi be presented as equipping with new weapons?
                        Imitation of violent activity. For relatively little money.
                      17. novel66
                        novel66 17 December 2019 10: 44
                        +3
                        There is no Stalin on them ...
                      18. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 December 2019 10: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        There is no Stalin on them ...

                        Et yes ...
                      19. sivuch
                        sivuch 17 December 2019 17: 06
                        0
                        Do you think that Malki’s modernization is in principle unnecessary (as I understand it, they are going to upgrade existing machines)?
                      20. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 December 2019 17: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: sivuch
                        Do you think that Malki’s modernization is in principle unnecessary (as I understand it, they are going to upgrade existing machines)?

                        Yes.
                        It would be better to spend this money on bringing all 2С19 to 2С19М2, equipping the remaining 2А65 and 2С3 ASUNO systems.
                        Well, for staging "Coalition"

                        But all these unnecessary spending on cannon artillery, all these "Peonies" / "Malky" and "Hyacinths" - stop. They may look brutal, but they do not meet modern requirements.
                      21. sivuch
                        sivuch 17 December 2019 17: 20
                        0
                        So after all Msty and so bring
                      22. Berber
                        Berber 17 December 2019 11: 41
                        0
                        Definitely not? Could have developed already?
                      23. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 December 2019 11: 45
                        0
                        Definitely not
                        And the development will be a waste of money
                      24. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 17 December 2019 13: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: Spade
                        no precision munitions. Yes, they are not needed

                        It seems that their ability to use special PSU has become the main function, and the rest - as if by the way.
                    2. NKT
                      NKT 17 December 2019 07: 58
                      +9
                      Each such self-propelled guns has its own transport vehicle with a basic ammunition load of 40 shells. Therefore - 8 on board, 40 in a transport vehicle.
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 17 December 2019 08: 03
                        +2
                        exhaustively ... hi
                    3. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 17 December 2019 11: 58
                      0
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      can I carry more with me? 8 shells !! Total!!!

                      With its rate of fire and 8 shells from one position, you can not have time to shoot, as they spot and cover. After three or four shots, you need to change the position, and replenish the ammunition along the way or in a new position.
              2. bk316
                bk316 17 December 2019 14: 35
                +2
                without PZ, the two only carry

                Andrei no one carries shells together for 2s7. If, of course, it is possible, but they are more than 100 kg. There, such a special manipulator you put a shell into him; he himself transfers it to where necessary. Four people are carrying shells from the ground to the manipulator and it’s inconvenient.
                Probably now on the Internet videos we have everything was secret ....
            2. Gogia
              Gogia 18 December 2019 12: 57
              0
              Created for the use of special charges Kleshchevina, Sapling and Hammer from 0,5 to 10 ct

              There are two such shells per car wassat
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 17 December 2019 09: 07
            0
            As I understand it, to ensure offensive operations?
            If I am wrong, then please be kind enough to explain the use of such weapons in the framework of the modern military Doctrine of Russia and its place in military formation.
            Thank you very much in advance.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 17 December 2019 10: 08
              -3
              Quote: hydrox
              As I understand it, to ensure offensive operations?

              In order to depict cheaply vigorous activity
            2. Gogia
              Gogia 18 December 2019 13: 06
              0
              To me, katstsa for Malki can be developed by planning ammunition with Inertial or Glonass navigation or with laser target designation. Now imagine in Syria in Latakia there are a couple of such divisions and thinning out the Idlib viper for 140 km ... These are serious plans that can be realized.
          3. Looking for
            Looking for 17 December 2019 23: 12
            -1
            But is it suitable for destruction?
    2. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 17 December 2019 09: 31
      0
      Because everything is serious ............
  3. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 17 December 2019 07: 01
    +1
    Is there a high-precision shell for her?
    1. cost
      cost 17 December 2019 07: 24
      +3
      This mystery is covered in darkness. Peony didn't seem to have
    2. engineer74
      engineer74 17 December 2019 08: 13
      +2
      I’m also surprised about the silence for the corrected shells ... One conclusion suggests itself - shells with specials. Warheads became much cheaper recourse
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 17 December 2019 08: 59
        +2
        Not without it wink
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 17 December 2019 13: 42
        +2
        Quote: engineer74
        shells with special. Warheads became much cheaper

        And add. the function of these tools becomes basic. yes
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 17 December 2019 16: 09
          -3
          These guns have the same main and additional functions - to quickly become cut metal and get into marten, so as not to make all the armies of the world wallow with laughter ...
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 17 December 2019 10: 13
      0
      For what purpose are you interested, NATO asked? We ourselves do not know and we will not tell you. request lol
  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 December 2019 07: 09
    +2
    Eh, but it could have been 210 muimeters! Something didn't grow together ... I just don't remember ... In inches, of course, it's still "the same" ... but only the inches were different ... the English (Russian), French, Germans, Austrians .. ... request
    1. NKT
      NKT 17 December 2019 08: 01
      +3
      Because the plant proposed to unify the caliber with the mastered B-4 and the MO agreed.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 17 December 2019 09: 21
        -7
        In today's conditions, it makes sense to drive this gun (with Russian components laughing !) Together with all the warehouse supplies of the old BP, some landmarks obsessed with the megalomania would have removed this ugliness from weapons and forever forgot about it like a bad dream.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 18 December 2019 07: 19
          -1
          It's funny, but not one of the Du Bilov, who minus my comments on this topic, never served in the SA, did not dub in positions, did not eat stew with shrapnel, and did not even go through the KMB, not to mention military education. NONE of these couch troops could answer any of my questions about this shameful type of weapons, on which millions of people's funds are spent from the budget, due to the lack of which in the Russian social sphere, we will soon have French problems in full growth, but with noticeably more serious consequences due to the much heavier character of the Russian people in comparison with all sorts of lightweight Caucasians.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 17 December 2019 08: 40
      +2
      Inches are the same. Measured in different ways.
      Shells 152/155 mm can be loaded into 155/152 mm barrels.
      Another thing is that the trunks have different chambers and ballistics.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 December 2019 16: 39
        +2
        Quote: Simargl
        Inches are the same. Measured in different ways.

        1. English inch = 2,54 cm; 2. French inch = 2,707 cm; 3. Austrian (Vienna) inch = 2,634 cm; 4.German (Rhine Union) inch = 2,615 cm ... Inches the same? belay
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 17 December 2019 16: 46
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Are the inches the same?
          By the middle of the XIX century, English remained in circulation, the rest had meters.
          So yes: 152 (152,4) are 6 inches across the rifling fields, 155 are across the rifling.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 17 December 2019 17: 08
            +1
            Quote: Simargl
            So yes: 152 (152,4) are 6 inches across the rifling fields, 155 are across the rifling.

            Where will you put the "Germans" (150 mm ... or: 149,7 mm and 149,1 mm ... measurements in the fields!)?
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 18 December 2019 02: 45
              0
              What about the cuts?
    3. smel
      smel 17 December 2019 14: 59
      +4
      210 mm guns were during the Second World War. 10 trunks from the Czechs bought in 1938. One barrel was shot in tests at the 33rd firing range. And eight trunks were put on carriages and made 4 batteries of 2 guns. In a compartment with 152 mm cannons, they were OM RVGK divisions. Then, by the end of the 44th, they were reformed into the regiments of OM RVGK. The correctness of such a decision can be confirmed by Koenigsberg. After the Second World War, some of these regiments were transferred to the Far East to participate in the defeat of the Kwantung Army. But due to the rains at the beginning of the operation, they did not fire even once, and because of the bulky nature and huge masses, they could not move behind successfully advancing troops. Then (after rearmament), these regiments formed the basis of army artillery sets. Some are still alive. So in Ussuriysk on December 31 this year, one of them will celebrate its 75th anniversary.
      Congratulations to you, team.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 December 2019 16: 18
        +1
        Quote: smel
        210 mm guns were during the Second World War. 10 trunks from the Czechs bought in 1938.

        The barrels were bought for the "duplex" under development: the 210-mm gun Br-17/305-mm howitzer Br-18 ...
  5. hwostatij
    hwostatij 17 December 2019 07: 20
    -17
    Archaic expensive useless toy
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 17 December 2019 07: 28
      +7
      About the uselessness at the Palace of Soviets in Grozny, ask for which 4 shells in total took
      1. NKT
        NKT 17 December 2019 08: 26
        +4
        There Tulip seems to be applied .....
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 17 December 2019 08: 57
          +2
          I don’t remember exactly, but the artillery of special power was definitely attracted
        2. smel
          smel 17 December 2019 15: 05
          +3
          Both were used.
      2. Gogia
        Gogia 18 December 2019 13: 09
        0
        I remember an Englishwoman shouting something about operational-tactical nuclear weapons ... It was like that lol
    2. Livonetc
      Livonetc 17 December 2019 07: 29
      +3
      What are modern alternatives?
      Well, please voice the cost.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 December 2019 07: 42
      +4
      oh I wouldn’t say so) it is the ability to strike tactical infantry makes it very dangerous in any direction. taking into account its specificity and power, it will always be possible to apply it. and what archaic is permissible in it in comparison with the field transport?) but they are also in no hurry to write them off.
    4. venik
      venik 17 December 2019 10: 06
      +2
      Quote: Hwostatij
      Archaic expensive useless toy

      ========
      Tell it to those who fell under its fire in South Ossetia !!!
  6. Potato
    Potato 17 December 2019 07: 36
    +1
    Interestingly, is there a 203 mm active-reactive guided projectile for her? If laser or satellite guidance was installed in 152 mm caliber, then why not put it in 203?)
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 17 December 2019 07: 44
      0
      There is a mine for the Tulip, but I doubt it about the shell. All the same, the gun, the more rifled.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 December 2019 08: 05
      +5
      Quote: Potato
      interesting, 203 mm active-reactive guided projectile for it is?

      Active-reactive ... yes! Managed ... promised to develop in the "near future" ...
    3. venik
      venik 17 December 2019 10: 08
      0
      Quote: Potato
      Interestingly, is there a 203 mm active-reactive guided projectile for her?

      ========
      There is no such data! Although this does not mean that this "no one was engaged and no one was engaged"!
  7. Ura Orlov
    Ura Orlov 17 December 2019 07: 36
    -6
    Why then support the dollar?
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 17 December 2019 08: 17
      +3
      Quote: Ura Orlov
      Why then support the dollar?

      And where is the dollar? You did not confuse sites? And ... who supports him? Me not. State too. If you don’t, then it’ll be fine.
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 December 2019 09: 08
    +2
    Serious gun! good
    The performance characteristics of 2C7 Peony
    - Years of production: 2C7 - from 1975 to 1985; 2S7M - from 1986 to 1990
    - years of operation: since 1975
    - Number of issued, pcs: more than 500

    Crew 2S7 Peony

    - 7 people

    Sizes 2C7 Peony

    - body Length, mm: 10 500
    - Length with gun forward, mm: 13 200
    - housing width, mm: 3380
    - Height, mm: 3000
    - Ground clearance, mm: 400

    Weight 2C7 Peony

    - 45 tons

    Booking 2C7 Peony

    - Type of armor: bulletproof
    - housing forehead (bottom), mm / city: 12
    - hull side, mm / city: 8 + 13
    - Bottom, mm: 8-16

    Armament 2C7 Peony

    - Caliber and brand of gun: 203 mm 2A44
    - gun type: rifled gun
    - barrel length, calibres: 55,3
    - gun ammunition: 4
    - Machine guns: 1 × 12,7 mm NSVT

    Firing Range 2C7 Peony

    - 8,4 ... 47,5 km

    Engine 2C7 Peony

    - engine type: B-46-1
    - Engine power, l. s: 780
    - Specific power, l. s / t: 17,25

    Speed ​​2C7 Peony

    - Speed ​​on the highway, km / h: 50

    - Cruising on the highway, km: 675
    - Capacity of fuel tanks, l: 1280.

  9. Basarev
    Basarev 17 December 2019 09: 27
    -4
    Is she too old? Maybe it’s more correct to start creating a new cannon to replace Peony?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 17 December 2019 10: 10
      -1
      Quote: Basarev
      Is she too old?

      Too.

      Quote: Basarev
      Maybe it’s more correct to start creating a new cannon to replace Peony?

      There is a long time.
      2C19. In the future 2C35
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 17 December 2019 10: 43
        +1
        This is a pathetic 152 mm. But on the promising 203 mm caliber system, nothing is heard.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 17 December 2019 10: 45
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          But on the promising 203 mm caliber system, nothing is heard.

          Because she is not needed.

          Quote: Basarev
          This is a pathetic 152 mm.

          They are more than enough on the modern battlefield
          1. Fikys
            Fikys 17 December 2019 15: 15
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Because she is not needed.

            Please explain in more detail this point, very interesting. Or give a link where to read.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 17 December 2019 15: 24
              -2
              Quote: Fikys
              Please explain in more detail this point, very interesting. Or give a link where to read.

              Open Wikipedia, look at the first, the rate of fire and secondly, the deployment time from marching to combat.
              Compare with 2C19 and 2C35.
              And you will understand everything.
      2. smel
        smel 17 December 2019 15: 13
        +2
        There is a long time.
        2C19. In the future 2C35

        You have a strange idea about this. The tasks of these weapons systems are completely different. But to the joyful and victorious reports on the issue of "Malka" (as well as "Msta"), oh, how far away. To tear something off to someone for this "Malka". And at the same time for the 12th complex.
        Well, having said "A", you have to say "B" too. It's time to bring the line of ammunition to the level of 35 years ago. Those who know understand what I mean ...
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 17 December 2019 15: 26
          -2
          Quote: smel
          You have a strange idea about this. The tasks of these weapons systems are completely different.

          Oh well...
          What are the challenges facing a 203-mm self-propelled guns, an impossible 152-mm gun.
          1. novel66
            novel66 17 December 2019 15: 39
            0
            to break the record for the applicable caliber ?? lol
          2. Fikys
            Fikys 17 December 2019 15: 52
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            What are the challenges facing a 203-mm self-propelled guns, an impossible 152-mm gun.

            Those that require greater projectile power, the destruction of buried shelters, caponiers, etc. It is not always possible to compensate for quality with quantity.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 17 December 2019 16: 40
              -2
              Quote: Fikys
              It is not always possible to compensate for quality with quantity.

              Specifically, in the modern battlefield, always.
              And four 152-mm shells and even more so six 152-mm shells by the power of action at the target and the probability of its destruction far ahead of one 203-mm shell
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 17 December 2019 17: 06
                +3
                I’m now recalling the history of the 203-mm assault self-propelled guns described by uv. Y. Pasholoka in his book on SU-152 and other self-propelled guns based on HF.
                Time after time, design bureaus and factories produced projects and even live 8 "self-propelled guns. And time after time GAU put an end to them - because it turned out that all the tasks of the proposed 203-mm self-propelled guns could be solved by the existing SU-152 / ISU-152 ...
          3. smel
            smel 17 December 2019 15: 53
            +5
            What are the challenges facing a 203-mm self-propelled guns, an impossible 152-mm gun.
            It seems to me that we have already met on the sidelines of the Military Review. I repeat what I have already said. This is not the place for serious debate and foul level discussions. Enough on this site just cheers.
            In order to understand the difference and see the problems, mistakes, nonsense revealed during the modernization of Malki, entering her into the composition of the parts you just need to be a specialist. If not difficult, read all my comments on this scribble about Malka. Maybe then something will become clear.
            This system is not the first year in service. And not the second one. I know that some great specialists have already been planted even for its transportation (once Kommersant already wrote about this) - this is the first. The second - engines for her in Chelyabinsk did. So import substitution is just a fashion trend. Elementary it was necessary to change the base to a more modern, technological and well-established in production, because 2s7 base was original, and the first samples generally carried 2 shells. Thirdly: the fallacy of the decision to disband large-power brigades was proved by subsequent events and the experience of using RV&A in them. Fourth: sheer stupidity (if not criminal activity) of Serdyukov and Co. led to further degradation of artillery as a kind of army. The reasons are the sea. I will not waste time describing them, and I don’t want to approach the restricted area. And this timid and at the same time stupid attempt to cross the hedgehog with the hedgehog for putting Malki into operation is another nonsense for which, as always, line officers, commanders of the Abr and, naturally, soldiers will pay. Examples of reckoning already exist (not advertise).
            If you, dear, have a different opinion, I’m proud that we have so many optimists.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 17 December 2019 16: 33
              -1
              Quote: smel
              Thirdly: the fallacy of the decision to disband large-power brigades was proved by subsequent events and the experience of using RV&A in them.

              This is not necessary ...
              The highest efficiency of "Tulips" during military operations in settlements does not mean the need for "Peonies" / "Malkas".

              For a mortar with an adjustable mine is one thing, and a gun is another.
              1. 1976AG
                1976AG 18 December 2019 00: 39
                -1
                Quote: Spade
                Quote: smel
                Thirdly: the fallacy of the decision to disband large-power brigades was proved by subsequent events and the experience of using RV&A in them.

                This is not necessary ...
                The highest efficiency of "Tulips" during military operations in settlements does not mean the need for "Peonies" / "Malkas".

                For a mortar with an adjustable mine is one thing, and a gun is another.

                Then answer what a gun is. This is the same as saying a car. But cars are different. And so the gun is ....
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 18 December 2019 10: 20
                  -2
                  Quote: 1976AG
                  Then answer what a gun is.

                  This is not a mortar 8)))))
              2. smel
                smel 18 December 2019 09: 00
                0
                This is not necessary ...
                The highest efficiency of "Tulips" during military operations in settlements does not mean the need for "Peonies" / "Malkas".

                For a mortar with an adjustable mine is one thing, and a gun is another



                Dear Mr. Lopatov. A rhetorical question for you: what do you know about this topic, about which you so categorically argue? I am sure that there is nothing but scribble read in the media. I know everything on this topic, starting from the BSEC and ending with the name of the performers. Your non-papal comments with the glorifications of 2S19, with calls to bring them to 2S19M2 are so funny for me that they can’t even be conveyed. Do you know examples of how these products work? Do you know how many of them worked, where, who led, the results and reasons for the transition of 50 glanders to 2C3M from the original 2C19? Do you know how many and where artillerymen gave their soul to God due to errors in the design and execution of artillery systems? Understood the reasons? If yes, then in PM I have a few words on this subject. I will give you my phone number and talk.
                What do you know about ASUNO? Where does it work? Eh ... Too many haters.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 18 December 2019 10: 32
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                  Quote: smel
                  What do you know about ASUNO?

                  I know how to do without them ....
                  Do you know what it means to call fire at your coordinates, because in the mountains you can stupidly not catch the first gap for zeroing? Moreover, smoke shells under 152 mm "seem to be there, but nobody has ever seen them"
                  Do you know how scary it is to drive the gap when shooting in the immediate vicinity of your troops, especially when you stick around with the infantry?
                  Do you know what it is like to wait for the opening of fire when your unit is specifically squeezed?

                  Yes, you do not know nichrome. In addition to inflating the nails, zero.
                  1. smel
                    smel 18 December 2019 11: 10
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                    I know. And at 80 meters from himself he laid mines
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 18 December 2019 11: 19
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                      Quote: smel
                      I know. And at 80 meters from himself he laid mines

                      8))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                      And got a lot done?
                  2. smel
                    smel 18 December 2019 11: 15
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                    I feel sorry for you. Too much text. And about the mountains - in general, Krylov’s fables. Even spotters who walked with Gr SpN do not carry such a blizzard. I know only two. From the Muzhichi region, one, the other northwest of Komsomolskoe.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 18 December 2019 11: 28
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                      Quote: smel
                      Even spotters who walked with Gr SpN do not carry such a blizzard.

                      And you ask them.

                      By the way, for the general development, under your mysterious "spotters who went with the GR SPN from the area of ​​Muzhichi, one, the other north-west of Komsomolskoye." officers from the Armenian are hiding. Tell you which dining room they went to for dinner. and what is their route to the park on Shalhi via Holzman? The regiment, by the way, was on 2S19.
                      They, damn it, will tell you a lot about the need for an ASUNO. Especially the fifth battery officers. Which raked near Chemulga half of the city’s package due to the error of the SOB of the visiting reactors
                      1. smel
                        smel 18 December 2019 11: 35
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                        And you ask them.
                        I’ll have to ask Pogorelov to inform me about Lopatov’s specialist.
                        And that battery, like the seventh, in a month, as a rule, could work one of five to six
                      2. smel
                        smel 18 December 2019 11: 36
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                        All! We finished the conversation on this topic. Nasty
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 18 December 2019 15: 17
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                        Quote: smel
                        And that battery, like the seventh

                        The third division did not go to Chechnya at all.
                      4. smel
                        smel 18 December 2019 15: 41
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                        Armament was changing. I think you know. And the battery number did not mean that it was there.
                      5. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 18 December 2019 15: 50
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                        Quote: smel
                        Armament was changing. I think you know. And the battery number did not mean that it was there.

                        8)))))))))))))
                        Pancake....
                        I write that as a result of a fatal error in the reactive security system's SOB, the fifth battery suffered very much. Including battery commander. As far as I remember, shrapnel in the back. Well, the second company of the tank battalion of the 693rd regiment also raked in the forest belt.

                        If reactivists had an automated control system, if the installations had automated guidance and fire control systems, this would not have happened.

                        And you tell me some kind of dregs about the seventh battery, which somewhere there "could work" ...
                        What are you talking about???

                        Not even that. Do you understand what this is about?
                      6. smel
                        smel 18 December 2019 16: 11
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                        Stay with your opinion. It is right, fair; in everything, always and everywhere. It is with this and .....
                      7. smel
                        smel 18 December 2019 16: 20
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                        Regarding ASUNO in our country, I’ll tell you a secret: it does not work anywhere. And even in the 385th in the best of times, when there were specialists at your side from the Uralmashzavod when placing it back in Bersheti (and it’s not there right now) and if it had 4 more 2C19 divisions in it, it wasn’t. Even when you get M2 from scratch. He worked only in India at the time and for quite some time. And it’s sad that even 2С2 is being upgraded under M3 - the grandmas are washed. Leaky, rusty, with welded hatches for spare parts and headsets .. But M2. So sometimes you may be wrong ... Although not ... You are always right, everywhere and further in the text.
                      8. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 18 December 2019 16: 23
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                        Quote: smel
                        Stay with your opinion.

                        This has not been "my opinion" for a long time, it has been a worldwide trend since the days of the Takfaer automated control system.

                        The Ukrainian firmochka creates artillery ACS almost at the knee, the Americans buy it for the Afghan army ...
                        And as a result, Afghan towed artillery overtakes the Russian generation.

                        And we did a normal ACS Penza, we drove over exhibitions for more than ten years ... and it seems like they stopped. Tired of it.
                  3. smel
                    smel 18 December 2019 11: 21
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                    Yes, you do not know nichrome. In addition to inflating the nails, zero.

                    And you are a boor, my friend !! Anyway. I know no less than yours on the subject under discussion. And what is it like in practice I’ll say that I personally shot from a mortar 80 meters from myself, on the main charge. The area of ​​the Ukerigo Pass. Where Hero Kokshin received.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 18 December 2019 11: 36
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                      Quote: smel
                      And you are a boor, my friend !!

                      Are you not used to being reciprocated in response to rudeness?
                      Get used to it.

                      Quote: smel
                      And what is it like in practice I’ll say that I personally shot from a mortar 80 meters from myself, on the main charge.

                      You, damn it, do not even understand what, in fact, we are talking about. And what is the difference between throwing mines with your own hand from calling fire in its coordinates.
                      And after that you have the audacity with aplomb to talk about artillery.
                      1. smel
                        smel 18 December 2019 14: 30
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                        Are you not used to being reciprocated in response to rudeness?
                        Get used to it

                        I re-read our dialogue with you. For my part, I did not find that I could offend until the moment of insults on your part.
                        Are you a boor in life, or have you acquired this personality trait? Apparently someone was underworked from Shapoval, Muratov, Golubenko (kingdom of heaven), Kablukov, Koshelev, Zheludev Sivachuk, Salamov. It’s sad. But they are excellent commanders.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 18 December 2019 15: 24
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                        Quote: smel
                        I re-read our dialogue with you. For my part, I did not find that I could offend until the moment of insults on your part.

                        That is, you think your statements about my supposedly complete incompetence are quite normal? Although, as your phrase about the mortar showed, you are clearly not so versed in artillery to judge it.

                        You went on an aggravation. You got what you asked for. What may be questions to me? With what kind of buddun did you decide that I was obliged to substitute a second cheek? You have obviously hypertrophied conceit.
                      3. smel
                        smel 18 December 2019 15: 39
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                        That is, you your statements about my supposedly complete incompetence
                        I re-read it again. About incompetence did not find allegations.
                        There was a call in PM to inform those issues in which you are competent. I promised you to give your phone and talk on issues whose opinion does not coincide. Something like this...
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 18 December 2019 15: 51
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                        Quote: smel
                        About incompetence did not find allegations.

                        ?????????
                        Quote: smel
                        Dear Mr. Lopatov. A rhetorical question for you: what do you know about this topic, about which you so categorically argue? I am sure that there is nothing but scribble read in the media.

                        Damn, you completely lack even a hint of self-criticism.
    2. strannik1985
      strannik1985 17 December 2019 11: 55
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      Why, if there is an MLRS?
      1. Fikys
        Fikys 17 December 2019 15: 59
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        Quote: strannik1985
        Why, if there is an MLRS?

        The shell is cheaper, and their stocks are already not small, including nuclear.
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 18 December 2019 00: 36
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        Quote: strannik1985
        Why, if there is an MLRS?

        MLRS is a multiple launch rocket system, and if a single target why volley fire?
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 December 2019 15: 46
      +1
      New shells will be developed for them, put into series and there will be order, all the more complex control and guidance on these guns put new ones.
  10. Alexga
    Alexga 17 December 2019 11: 57
    +3
    In particular, instead of the Ukrainian gearbox and engine, the self-propelled gun is equipped with Russian components

    Who knows why Ukrainian gearbox and engine? As far as I know, these elements are Chelyabinsk.
  11. Guru
    Guru 17 December 2019 13: 16
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    We are talking about the 2S7M "Malka" caliber 203 mm with the implementation of import substitution.
    Is it that they IMPORTED there?
    1. bk316
      bk316 17 December 2019 14: 40
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      Is it that they IMPORTED there?

      But read the article in any way?
      In particular, instead of the Ukrainian gearbox and engine, the self-propelled gun is equipped with Russian components.
  12. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 17 December 2019 18: 52
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    In my opinion, no one in the world has analogues of this system, is it worthwhile to shoot out of this weapon with ammunition with special combat unit if there are more effective ways of delivering gifts to an adversary? Only if a new guided munition in this caliber was invented cheaper than a guided missile
  13. Protos
    Protos 17 December 2019 21: 26
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    Quote: Alexey RA
    I’m now recalling the history of the 203-mm assault self-propelled guns described by uv. Y. Pasholoka in his book on SU-152 and other self-propelled guns based on HF.
    Time after time, design bureaus and factories produced projects and even live 8 "self-propelled guns. And time after time GAU put an end to them - because it turned out that all the tasks of the proposed 203-mm self-propelled guns could be solved by the existing SU-152 / ISU-152 ...

    Only B-4 (GAU index - 52-G-625) do not say this, be offended!
    In our second defense of Sevastopol, frits from captured B-4s threw ours at the same G-620 in bunkers of the 2nd strip and coastal batteries!
    I saw breaks in concrete after such gizmos, 105 and 155 mm left only chips. yes
  14. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 December 2019 23: 25
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    Malka needs a new barrel and shell .... with a range of 100km
  15. samaravega
    samaravega 18 December 2019 18: 48
    +1
    Since when has the B-46 engine and BKP from the T-72 become Ukrainian? The site completely went down.
    1. Guru
      Guru 19 December 2019 12: 32
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      Since when has the B-46 engine and BKP from the T-72 become Ukrainian?
      And I am the same. laughing