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How are stadiums escorted? Not like CSKA

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How are stadiums escorted? Not like CSKA

Package without transfer rights?



The block of shares of the club was pledged on a loan for the construction of the CSKA stadium. In 2013, VEB issued a loan of $ 280 million to CSKA. Since the owner of the club, Yevgeny Giner, found 110 million dollars on his own, CSKA used only 280 million out of 240. The cost of constructing the VEB Arena stadium was $ 350 million.

Initially, it was clear that without the help of the patron, Evgeny Giner, Sergey Ivanov, VEB would never have given such a loan under such a dubious business in terms of payback. Reputable "Vedomosti" wrote that "Ivanov patronizes CSKA and sympathizes with Giner personally." According to this publication, the talks with VEB from CSKA were headed precisely by the head of the presidential administration, Sergei Ivanov.


And officials chanted the cherished mantras. Igor Shuvalov in June in St. Petersburg spoke with the hope:

“We analyzed the situation. We have no fears that the loan will not be repaid. Now we are working with the main shareholder, Eugene Giner, on how to make a super club from CSKA. For the business center to work and the place to become a point of attraction. The arena bears our name, we must give it a different quality. ”


And the bankers (bankers, Karl!) Kept saying about the same thing as prayer. Sergey Gorkov (chairman of VEB in 2017) broadcast:

“The cost of the stadium must pay off. CSKA has a very good financial management. We understand the business model and, of course, the stadium will pay off. We have a period when CSKA almost does not have to repay the loan, there is a small amount. Major payments come later. CSKA needs time to disperse the stadium. So far, the task is not to repay the loan, but to play well and please the fans. ”


Return 240 million with interest for 10 years. Apparently, Evgeny Lenorovich Giner hoped that the "tomato sponsor" would put pressure on VEB, and the conditions for the return of money would be relaxed, prolonged, etc. Either Ivanov couldn’t, or didn’t want to, or his administrative share decreased — it doesn’t matter. Did not work out.

Do not look for a woman, look for an investor


For CSKA, this makes little difference. Evgeny Giner remains president, all his people retain posts in the club system, and the very transition of shares to VEB's balance sheet is the most likely outcome of events. This is a new headache for VEB. What to do with the stadium - the only material asset of CSKA? The bank's management initially regarded the club and the stadium as a non-core asset.

Back in 2017, the aforementioned then-VEB chairman Sergei Gorkov categorically stated:

“We are not at all an organization that invests in sports clubs. We have no plans for investing in the club CSKA. In general, we have a moratorium on charitable activities. We have no interest not only in CSKA, but also in any other clubs. ”


Now CSKA has one hope - for investors. VEB’s current chairman Igor Shuvalov noted that managing shares in CSKA is a temporary measure:

“We expect that we will be able to attract an investor from a year to three. It should not be longer than three years. Together with the club CSKA and RDIF (Russian Direct Investment Fund - N.M.) we are already working to attract new strategic investors.
This measure will allow us not to restrain the usual activities of the club - for example, to acquire new players - so that the club develops. Being just a lender, we limited their activity, because we were forced to concentrate financial resources to pay debt. Today the situation is changing in this way. ”



It seems that the army club can not do without new investors

But finding investors in the current economic situation is an extremely difficult decision. Any investor is primarily interested in payback. It is no secret that the problem of the payback of stadiums is not purely Russian. All over the world the question “What to do with the stadium?” Is quite acute. The main expense item is the maintenance of the stadium and the lawn itself - it takes crazy money. And each new investor will face the contents of the stadium, like a sivka-burka.

Welcome to complain ... in Qatar


The editors conducted their own research and, to their surprise, found an effective solution - in Qatar. On December 11, the World Cup Club Championship kicked off in Qatar. Qatar won the right to host the 2022 World Cup. Naturally, the leadership of Qatar poured huge sums into the preparation of the championship. And here's what is surprising: the Qatari authorities thought ahead of time about what to do with the stadiums after the end of the World Cup.


The very first stadium, designed by Zaha Shadid for the World Cup 2022 in Qatar, is amazing

The funny thing is - in the emirate of Qatar, they seriously intend to use Russian developments. Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak at the fourth meeting of the Russian-Qatar Intergovernmental Economic Commission said: "We discussed the participation of Russian companies in the preparation of the World Cup in 2022." The result of the work was the upcoming visit of the Russian delegation of businessmen and officials to Qatar.

The host country will be primarily interested in specific Russian projects related to the profitable operation of sports arenas. The emphasis is not only on the 2020 World Cup, but also on the time between major tournaments. Even at meetings in Russia, Russian entrepreneurs managed to make a series of business offers to their colleagues from Qatar. And this is three years before the world championship.

There are interesting ideas for cross-financing tourism and sports facilities that were presented and successfully used in Russia in 2014 at the Sochi Olympics and in 2018 at the World Championships, schemes for organizing work with a massive influx of tourists. They could not help attracting the attention of businessmen from Qatar to the cybersecurity system, as well as face recognition and fan access control from the Engineering Technologies Group of Companies.

But most of all, surprisingly, colleagues from Qatar were offered quite specific, and, as a rule, practically ready-made developments. Of those that are called, you can touch them. The Qatari side drew attention to Sport Engineering analytics, which reveals the mechanisms for budget financing of stadiums, as well as to facilities built and now quite efficiently operated by Sport-In.

From the same things that are oriented towards the future, one cannot fail to single out the draft of a special protective system for grass cover presented by the Director General of Diversus Group Nikolai Altstein. The collapsible protective complex SRZK - a unique Russian development, to which atomic specialists had a hand in hand, aroused the closest attention of the hosts of the 2020 championship.

SRZK represents, in fact, the second floor, due to which the load on the lawn is zero, and the main pressure falls on the non-working zone of the field - beyond its edges. This technology can be used in any stadiums. In addition to protecting grass cover, it provides the necessary air circulation, temperature, humidity and optimal lighting conditions for the lawn.


A football pitch requires a very special attitude

The leading Qatari company Al Khan Group International, which provides equipment for stadiums, including the upcoming World Cup 2022, has already paid attention to Russian development. And since there are its own Ivanovs in Qatar, we can make a definite conclusion - the technology works and works fine.

In this regard, a reasonable question arises. Why did they see Russian development in Qatar that would make the operation of the stadium profitable, and in Russia, in the homeland of a technological breakthrough, are they looking for investors for a loss-making new stadium? Surprisingly, we are asked for advice on what to do with stadiums. And where - in the richest Qatar! Yes, left-handed people haven’t gone anywhere in Russia, but as always, they don’t notice them at home ...
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  1. Amateur
    Amateur 17 December 2019 15: 18
    -8
    The negotiations with VEB from CSKA were headed by the head of the presidential administration, Sergei Ivanov.

    It is necessary to rename the name from CSKA to "Mannerheim Arena"
    1. 210ox
      210ox 18 December 2019 11: 57
      +1
      What is it for you? What does the stadium, the club for Mannerheim have to do with it? I am more than sure that S. Ivanov did not independently decide to open a memorable tablet ..
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 18 December 2019 13: 23
        +1
        S. Ivanov did not independently decide to open a memorable tablet ..

        He, as a pensioner, was attracted by the HOA in the opening of the memorial plaque. I now have everything that concerns S. Ivanov, is associated only with Mannerheim. The KGB lieutenant general must be aware of the consequences of his actions.
  2. Edward Vashchenko
    Edward Vashchenko 17 December 2019 15: 20
    +9
    As from cybersecurity, face recognition systems,
    "Analyst of the Sport Engineering company, revealing the mechanisms of budgetary financing of stadiums"
    , the key word BUDGET FINANCING, grass protection and collapsible protector of the complex SRZK, the effective use of stadiums follows. The answer is no way.
    So the author, quite rightly, did not consider anything.
    There is no business component in the buildings of the Coliseum.
  3. Stena
    Stena 17 December 2019 15: 24
    +19
    It is difficult to find big loafers and ignoramuses than athletes, and especially football players. Moreover, even in the second league for less than 100 rubles. a person doesn’t even get off the bench. I’m not talking about how to get into big football at all ...
    And the results are zero.
    Moreover, if you take the results in swimming, running, jumping - then they grow by thousandths of a second or distance. The limit of human capabilities has already been reached.
    And with the work require constant quality. It is very easy for a football player - there is a result, there isn’t it - but get what you have under the contract. And this is not a miserable 25-30 thousand rubles per month.
    The question is - what if tomorrow is war? A worker and a man with a profession will go out of the country to fight at the front or at the factory. And what will a professional athlete do? He does not know how to work in production. Demands are overpriced. Exhaust - close to zero. Why the hell did he?
    Money needs to be invested in mass physical education. And the sport of high achievements is now primarily politics.
    Therefore, without "inadequate" decisions in relation to the patrons and ideological inspirers of WADA, for example, in high-performance sports, we will be constantly humiliated.
    My personal opinion is that we do not need either athletes or imposed "European values" in such numbers.
    Neither clubs nor athletes are viable in terms of cost-effectiveness. Nowhere in the world, and in Russia.
    But in order for them to become "effective", constant pressure is needed on the relevant bodies, such as the International Olympic Committee, etc., broadcasts throughout the solvent world, loans and support for science in the form of doping, etc.
    1. Normal
      Normal 17 December 2019 15: 36
      +3
      Demand creates supply. This is a show, albeit not of very high quality. Since tens of thousands of people buy tickets and pay money, then there is no discrepancy.
      1. novel66
        novel66 17 December 2019 15: 58
        +5
        ours doesn’t pay off
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 December 2019 17: 42
          +2
          Now beer will be allowed and everything will pay off ... hi
          1. novel66
            novel66 17 December 2019 17: 53
            +2
            not, Vit, will never dare drinks
            1. cniza
              cniza 17 December 2019 17: 55
              +3
              Not ready to say, but almost decided. drinks
              1. novel66
                novel66 17 December 2019 19: 00
                0
                with you or with us?
                1. cniza
                  cniza 17 December 2019 19: 24
                  +3
                  The Duma in the first reading has already passed the law.
      2. The popuas
        The popuas 17 December 2019 16: 48
        +3
        There is no demand, schoolchildren are driven to the stadiums by force, a lot of intelligence is not necessary.
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  5. Nasrat
    Nasrat 17 December 2019 15: 30
    +6
    The article is more than strange .... It seems like two different excerpts from different articles were torn out and here in VO they connected ...

    And what did the author want to say? ... If a conclusion is made in the article, then it is somehow strange ...



    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 17 December 2019 15: 41
      +1
      With regards to football ....
      Everything is very simple here ... The results of Eurocups are 90% dependent on the cost of the players and coaches that these clubs acquire. All the big money is now concentrated in only 5 top championships - England, Germany, France, Italy and Spain. Other countries in club football only occasionally smoke not on the sidelines.

      Who will win the Champions League this year and next, and who has won before? One of the 10 richest clubs in Europe will win the Champions League (and also play in the finals, semifinals). Here they are:
      1 Manchester City
      Premier League
      € 1.30bn

      2 Real Madrid
      LaLiga
      € 1.19bn

      3 Liverpool F.C.
      Premier League
      € 1.18bn

      4FC Barcelona
      LaLiga
      € 1.18bn

      5 Paris Saint Germain
      Ligue 1
      € 1.05bn

      6 Tottenham Hotspur
      Premier League
      € 959.50m

      7 Bayern Munich
      1. Bundesliga
      € 882.65m

      8 Atlético Madrid
      LaLiga
      € 872.50m

      9 Chelsea F.C.
      Premier League
      € 842.75m

      10 Juventus FC
      Serie A
      € 837.50m

      But let’s say where is the Zenith (as the most monetary among us)? - he is the 51st wealth club in Europe .. Wait for the victories of the club, until the end of the century ...
      So football is the affair of the rich ... and the rich have no problems with the stadiums .... everyone else - they will ..
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 17 December 2019 16: 30
        +6
        Quote: Nasr
        Everything is very simple here ... The results of Eurocups are 90% dependent on the cost of players and coaches that these clubs acquire.


        You greatly simplify the problems of Russian football.
        CSKA in 2005 took the UEFA Cup, the first time in the history of the club and Russian football. Ch. trainer Gazaev.
        Played in Portugal with Sporting CP. Goals: Berezutsky, Zhirkov, Carvalho.
        There was no super funding, a Russian coach, from in. two players stood out, V. Love and Carvalho.
        Do you know that before the "buyback" of shares by VEB, it was registered in England?
        Zenit won the Cup in 2008.
        In 2012, one of the brothers "reformers" pushed the transition of Russian football to the "autumn-spring" schedule, and we not only won nothing, but sometimes we could not get into the play-off or leave the group.
        This schedule almost destroyed football beyond the Urals, because playing and training in these times of the year is unrealistic there.
        In the West, businesses are doing on the game of clubs and football players, and here on football. Opaque transactions when buying players, kickbacks, match-fixing, fraud on advertising, biased refereeing, etc.
        So it’s not only the cost of players and coaches. Football in Russia reflects the processes that take place in our society, If in Russia there is a mess and chaos, then this is the game of our clubs. hi
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 17 December 2019 16: 43
          -1
          Forget both 2005 and 2008 - this will not happen again without the appropriate money ... and as if 2008, in terms of a mess in Russia, is different from 2019 ... laughing

          I heard that leading managers are running away from Magnit .... it’s not so hot there and it means that FC Krasnodar would not fall financially ...
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 17 December 2019 20: 15
            +4
            In fact, Galitsky sold the magnet to VTB .. that’s the way, and Galitsky is just an example of how to conduct business, children’s sports schools, their two stadiums, betting on their future
          2. kapitan92
            kapitan92 17 December 2019 22: 28
            +1
            Quote: Nasr
            Forget both 2005 and 2008 - this will not happen again without the appropriate money.

            Are you talking about money again !?
            Judging by your statements, you are not a fan. Let me remind you that in the USSR the only European trophy "Cup Winners' Cup" was won by Dynamo Moscow, Dynamo Kiev, Dynamo TB.
            EMNIP Dynamo K. twice.
            In these clubs there was no in. legionnaires and their budgets were modest compared to their western counterparts.
            Sports in the Union was available to everyone, "boxes" in the yards, football "yard by yard". Let's remember such masters as Yashin, Blokhin, Cherenkov, Dasaev, Kipiani and many others.

            Quote: Nasr
            and as if 2008, in terms of the mess in Russia, is different from 2019.

            Is different ! It develops exponentially. hi
            1. Serwid
              Serwid 17 December 2019 22: 47
              +3
              One amendment, Dynamo Moscow did not win, but played in the final.
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 17 December 2019 22: 58
                +1
                Quote: Serwid
                One amendment, Dynamo Moscow did not win, but played in the final.

                Guilty, getting old. In the final, the Scots lost. hi
                1. Andrey Chistyakov
                  Andrey Chistyakov 17 December 2019 23: 59
                  0
                  Quote: kapitan92
                  Quote: Serwid
                  One amendment, Dynamo Moscow did not win, but played in the final.

                  Guilty, getting old. In the final, the Scots lost. hi

                  Scandalous game. Glasgow were leading 3-0. Dynamo won back 2 goals. A few minutes before the end of the game, the Scottish fans ran out onto the field.
            2. Nasrat
              Nasrat 18 December 2019 09: 17
              -1
              Quote: kapitan92
              Judging by your statements, you are not a fan.

              Apparently - you are not a fan ... And players like Messi, Ronaldo and others will never play in poor clubs, and if they appear there, they will be bought for cheap and they will beat their former clubs with big pleasure .... The era when Kiev Dynamo won was over, and twice passed .. the last era is when Zenit and CSKA won ... At that time, the formation of the current gradation in club finances was completed ... Uefa plans even more next year tear the leaders from outsiders ... in fact, rich clubs will not meet the poor ... From poor clubs they will select talents on the cheap and put on the arena in elite clubs - this is the reality ... In football, commerce won ...
            3. Nasrat
              Nasrat 18 December 2019 10: 07
              0
              With the season 2021/22, UEFA will launch a new European Cup - the League of Conferences.
              Champions League, Europa League, Confederations League ... - the last for rogues, as you know.
              The stratification of the poor and the rich is noticeable now and without any reform. at the moment, only representatives of the top 5 leagues will play in the playoffs of the Champions League for the first time, and in the group stage all the teams settled down according to the total cost of their rosters.



              Let's say how Belarusian teams (rogue) will feel (as an example)

              Short answer: the League of Conferences will become a "Belarusian tournament", Belarusians do not start in the Europa League at all.

              In 2021, UEFA will rely on this season's ranking. At the moment, Belarus is 25th in it and, most likely, will remain in that position.

              This means that the champion of Belarus starts in the Champions League from the 1st qualification round. Belarus will not be represented at all in the Europa League (only a champion can be there if the 1st round of the Champions League passes and yields in one of the following stages). But in the Conference League three clubs will start right away (a silver and a bronze medalist, as well as a Cup winner), all from the 2nd round.

              Moreover, it is important for Belarus not to fall below the 29th place in the UEFA ranking. Otherwise, all three Belarusian clubs will start in the League of Conferences from the 1st qualification round.

              But the rating growth, if it happens, will have little effect on it now. Of great importance is only a breakthrough in the top 15, which provides a place in the Europa League. Belarusians, as you know, should not even dream about this in the coming years.

              So that we have - top teams will fight for the Champions League Cup, i.e. rich, the status of the Europa League will increase - again, the money bags will come out, and the basata will disappear at the preliminary stages ... well, but in the Confederations League they will be trampled through and show their talents ...
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 18 December 2019 11: 07
                0
                I’m not very interested in European football stars, since we talked about Russian football and clubs. You are absolutely right about the game and tournaments for top teams.
                Maybe this is right, for them the game is business. Recently we saw half-empty stadiums in Spain, where our clubs played, but who will go to them if they show a "yard" game.
                Fees, television broadcasts, advertising are falling.
                Quote: Nasr
                The stratification of the poor and the rich is noticeable now and without any reform

                And you are right about that! This happens not only in football, in Russia it is obvious. Football in the country is a mirror of social life and economic development.
                Take your scenario, Gazprom will fork out and buy Ronaldo with Massey laughing And what will they do here, the level of play of our Championship is "below the plinth", Zenit will be the eternal champion, and these stars will degrade in a couple of seasons and will be released into circulation.
                Football in our country is a business, I would say "a market", however, like the whole "market economy" in Russia.
                The reformer Fursenko "pushed through" the transition to "autumn-spring", supposedly the whole of Europe is playing, and what happened is, as always, the priest. The "great reformer" did not take into account the length and climate of the country,
                football beyond the Urals was "chopped off", but all the great members of the PFL were silent, with the exception of a couple of chief coaches.
                Funding and sponsorship contracts of our clubs are sometimes used to launder dirty money and this is no secret. Do the footballers see and know this, or do you think that there are only two of these "kokorinmamayevs" who are snuffed up?
                Take the CSKA complex (VTB Arena), it’s not only a football stadium, it’s hotels, business offices, shopping centers, fitness clubs and how it is all framed by God alone
                A country where everything is riddled with corruption, thieves cannot have high-quality football, even with fabulous spending on players and coaches.
                Something like that! hi
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 18 December 2019 11: 48
                  -2
                  Outside the Urals, and you need to chop off football - what kind of football is it? He wasn’t there during the alliance either, they were kneading mud or running in the snow ... About autumn-spring or vice versa - the results are the same, you don’t sit down as friends, you don’t suit musicians .. But Ronaldo and Messi really won’t go to us, if only at the end of his career ... as has already happened ... The Hulk came and went - there’s no one here to even pass over with in his own team! - the team therefore has a large budget, which selects players for each position, and even several in place, so that they would correspond to similar Hulks, Messi, Ronalds ...
                  And about the problems of football, you can not cry in my waistcoat ... in fact - rich clubs will win cups, the poor will supply "star" players for the rich ... I indicated this in my first comments ... and you cry about your problems to me ...... and ... the problem of the Indians, the sheriff is not interested ... the facts are screaming about it! And the trend is only getting stronger! Football ceased to be football when Sheikhs and others began to pump big money into it. It was then that club football ceased to be a sports competition, but turned into a competition of bags of money ...
                2. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 18 December 2019 12: 06
                  -1
                  As a vivid example to you Manchester City .. It happened (without a lot of money) - It has become (with the money of the sheikhs) - the difference is striking.
                  The victories of our CSKA and Zenit - 2005 and 2008 It is precisely in these years that the commercialization of football ends ... Examples: Say, Chelsea buys Abramovich in 2003 and does not spare money for the team - the results have come! Manchester city - sheikhs bought in 2008 - the results have gone ... Barcelona, ​​Real Madrid and so on ...

                  That's why I tell you - do not expect cups from our clubs - this era is over! Ball in football is ruled by money! Big money !.
            4. Doliva63
              Doliva63 18 December 2019 18: 49
              +1
              Quote: kapitan92
              Quote: Nasr
              Forget both 2005 and 2008 - this will not happen again without the appropriate money.

              Are you talking about money again !?
              Judging by your statements, you are not a fan. Let me remind you that in the USSR the only European trophy "Cup Winners' Cup" was won by Dynamo Moscow, Dynamo Kiev, Dynamo TB.
              EMNIP Dynamo K. twice.
              In these clubs there was no in. legionnaires and their budgets were modest compared to their western counterparts.
              Sports in the Union was available to everyone, "boxes" in the yards, football "yard by yard". Let's remember such masters as Yashin, Blokhin, Cherenkov, Dasaev, Kipiani and many others.

              Quote: Nasr
              and as if 2008, in terms of the mess in Russia, is different from 2019.

              Is different ! It develops exponentially. hi

              The first European Cup also took ours, no?
        2. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 18 December 2019 10: 48
          -2
          Quote: kapitan92
          In 2012, one of the brothers "reformers" pushed the transition of Russian football to the "autumn-spring" schedule, and we not only won nothing, but sometimes we could not get into the play-off or leave the group.

          Quote: kapitan92
          This schedule almost destroyed football beyond the Urals, because playing and training in these times of the year is unrealistic there.

          It is interesting why? If you start the championship in the summer because of this, what is the different weather in Yekaterinburg? And after the Urals, in general, when was football strongly developed? Under the Soviet Union, were there any clubs like Spartak or CSKA?
          Quote: kapitan92
          Opaque transactions when buying players, kickbacks, match-fixing, fraud on advertising, biased refereeing, etc.

          All this is so arbitrary. Almost all transactions in the world of transfers are opaque. More often than not, the transfer amount is not always called, the contracts also do not disclose the amount. According to match matches. Well, name a dozen. About fraud in advertising, it’s not at all clear what you mean. And to whom is biased refereeing?
          Quote: kapitan92
          Football in Russia reflects the processes that take place in our society, If in Russia there is a mess and chaos, then this is the game of our clubs.

          And this is utter nonsense. What was the beautiful life in Ukraine in 1998 that Dynamo reached the semi-final of the Champions League? Or in 2005 and 2008 in Russia, did life differ significantly from 2019?
      2. AK1972
        AK1972 18 December 2019 10: 24
        +2
        The results of Eurocups are 90% dependent on the cost of players and coaches that these clubs acquire.

        I think there is no direct relationship here. Take a look at Leipzig, for example. A team with a very modest budget, without star players for 5 years from the 4th division reached the Bundesliga and plays in European competitions. It's just that football players go out on the field to play football, and not to polish a shop for very big money. In our football, such conditions have been created that the players have lost their motivation, the desire to play in European top clubs. Indeed, why puff up and spoil health when money is already falling, and the legionnaires are looking at this relaxing.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 18 December 2019 10: 43
          -2
          Hmm ... The balance of Leipzig for 5 years -171 million, Zenit -32,6. The cost of the composition at Zenit during this period changed from 199,85 to 212,6. The Germans from 30,15 to 590,4. If we add the change in value and the transfer balance, we get from the Germans a plus of 353 million, and from Zenit minus 20 million.
          The result, we see ...

          Of course, there will be exceptions, but seriously rely on the cup, without a bag of money - not worth it ...
    2. lucul
      lucul 17 December 2019 16: 22
      -1
      The article is more than strange .... It seems like two different excerpts from different articles were torn out and here in VO they connected ...

      Yes, most likely, the "new" investor, in an ultimatum order, will demand the removal of Goncharenko - a usual multi-move to hide the essence ...
  6. Proton
    Proton 17 December 2019 15: 31
    +2
    It’s just that in Qatar corporal punishment is allowed, such as flogging and stoning, they won’t beat a horse for a bad lawn, but ... they can strip a lash with a whip, even if you are Sergey Ivanov, even a hereditary prince. And we don’t. request laughing
  7. Van 16
    Van 16 17 December 2019 15: 36
    +2
    I apologize for not being completely on the topic, but something needs to be decided on football, what happened in the European Cups in autumn, the darkness is continuous, not a result, not a game.
    1. novel66
      novel66 17 December 2019 15: 59
      0
      Gazprom steers football
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 17 December 2019 16: 18
      +1
      So what to decide? A dull championship, a dull game. Judging? A separate song. If before the players had a desire to leave for a strong championship and they left. What do we have today? One Golovin in * Monaco *? Well, the bullshit of football agents on the queue for their player from the top clubs. And the article really makes a strange impression. Why not write about Raspil, oh! how not careful! Of course, the Gazprom Arena!
  8. polar fox
    polar fox 17 December 2019 15: 44
    +4
    there are no cormorants in Qatar, they will not peck the roof, and there will be no showers, the stadiums will not be washed away, and with window dressing, apparently a strain ...
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 17 December 2019 18: 01
      -1
      And oil is produced there per capita as much as 9 times more than ours.
  9. Alien From
    Alien From 17 December 2019 15: 55
    0
    The author asked a good question! If even really rich countries are looking for ways to return on investment, what can we say about us ......
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 17 December 2019 16: 14
    +9
    And here's what is surprising: the Qatari authorities thought ahead of time about what to do with stadiums after the end of the World Cup
    .
    .... I may have missed something .. So from the article I didn’t understand what the Qatari Wali will do with stadiums after the World Cup ...? Show tourists or what? Thanks in advance..
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 17 December 2019 16: 23
      +1
      Yes, you know the worldwide practice of using stadiums, organizing concerts. I think they’ll come up with nothing new.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 17 December 2019 17: 39
        +2
        Well, perhaps, the stadiums will take the Arab pop stars ... So to speak, they will turn the stadiums into the center of the pop art of the Arab world ..
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 17 December 2019 18: 11
          +1
          Katy Perry, Marron5, is performing there now, so that after the champion other celebrities will catch up and find use. Yes, and the locals will also perform.
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 17 December 2019 16: 41
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      I might have missed something ..

      No, the article is a confusion smile
      Quote: parusnik
      what will the Qatari waltzes do with the stadiums after the World Cup ...? Show tourists or what?

      The Qatari authorities wished to familiarize themselves with Sobyanin's initiative - the "City of Sports" project, here for more details:
      https://rg.ru/2019/12/04/sovremennyh-sportivnyh-obektov-v-rossijskoj-stolice-stanet-bolshe.html
  11. Undecim
    Undecim 17 December 2019 16: 32
    +3
    What the author wanted to consider.
    If the question of the payback of stadiums, then where does Diversus-Group have to do with it?
    If the author decided to advertise "Diversus-Group", then what does CSKA's credit obligations have to do with it?
    If about how the stadiums in Qatar pay off, what does the first two points have to do with it?
    Neither the first, nor the second, nor the third author coped.
    What is the article about?
  12. eagle owl
    eagle owl 17 December 2019 17: 47
    +4
    The author, taking place with CSKA stadium, has nothing to do with payback. Back in 2008, Giner declared that the club is rich, whoever he wants will buy. And then they began to plant a gangster - massively. And the whole Lipetsk OCG, an active member of which in the RUBOP database was listed as a certain convict for a particularly large-scale fraud, Leonorych from Kharkov, turned out to be on the bunk, and there was no need to launder the common fund money ... Therefore, the stadium, which was originally built under the World Cup, abruptly stopped being built first for a while, and then under the World Cup.
    And then Giner began to run out of fingers - purely in the style of the Italian mafia.
    The author, in general, remember what Giner said about Tolstoy, for example - the cop is in the subject! He called him a criminal in the face.
    The stadium will never pay off. Precisely because there WILL NOT be a sponsor - never! What kind of businessman in his right mind would mate with a convicted fraudster from organized crime groups? !!!
  13. bandabas
    bandabas 17 December 2019 19: 10
    0
    Ndasss .. It's time to rename to ... "Shishinamsigum". By the way, this "club" will soon sponsor our "hockey".
  14. Local from the Volga
    Local from the Volga 17 December 2019 19: 58
    0
    Why is this in VO ?! What does MO have to do with CSKA football?
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 17 December 2019 20: 17
      0
      I agree, no
    2. podymych
      18 December 2019 10: 16
      0
      Do not worry, sir, even with Giner CSKA CSKA remains - do you need to open the abbreviation or what?
      This is a given - Giners come and go, and CSKA ...
      I think after that you will definitely put a minus. Your right! I regularly ply you, Tolkovo bazaar
      1. Local from the Volga
        Local from the Volga 18 December 2019 10: 33
        0
        Yes, I’m not worried, dear! Moreover, Giner did a lot for the club, the same stadium! But, my emphasis was precisely on the fact that CSKA collapsed, exactly how the top of the ARMY sport! Thank you for the pros, and the minuses I do not scatter without reason!
    3. podymych
      18 December 2019 10: 17
      0
      And with Giner CSKA CSKA remains. Giners come and go, and CSKA ...
  15. aiden
    aiden 18 December 2019 02: 42
    -3
    The political order went from the St. Petersburg political project, to which the state built a cormorant arena, an epic construction for cutting dough. Giner then at least took a loot on credit, but did not build it free of charge with state money. Article minus for an obvious order from St. Petersburg. They want to make a super-club of Europe (such as Milan, Bavaria) from the St. Petersburg political project, through Gazprom and its daughters they pour a lot of money into it, and the result is Zenith. Moreover, the development of this pseudo-club goes through one place, management 0, school 0. So it remains to include the administrative resource for victories in the championship thanks to the gasped judges. And those clubs that live at their own expense and have good schools, they just kill good management. These are the political projects that are ruining our football
  16. Million
    Million 18 December 2019 12: 05
    0
    Football is not a sport, but a commercial show. In Russia it is also with a patriotic bias
  17. APIS
    APIS 21 December 2019 06: 57
    0
    Quote: Edward Vashchenko
    As from cybersecurity, face recognition systems,
    "Analyst of the Sport Engineering company, revealing the mechanisms of budgetary financing of stadiums"
    , the key word BUDGET FINANCING, grass protection and collapsible protector of the complex SRZK, the effective use of stadiums follows. The answer is no way.
    So the author, quite rightly, did not consider anything.
    There is no business component in the buildings of the Coliseum.

    Look at the root, and I thought that one advertisement was discerned. The company really works only with the state budget.
  18. Ham
    Ham 22 December 2019 14: 48
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    the author piled the garden to heaven ... found a new Enemy of the People - Sergei Ivanov ... well done!
    in fact, the reason for the delay in the loan is simple - the failure of CSKA in European competition - lost in attendants for the departure ..
  19. Spiridonovich2
    Spiridonovich2 13 February 2020 09: 41
    0
    No one knows how much budget money Sergey Ivanov got into an activity that was twice tried for embezzlement, and now the best manager, Giner. Hundreds of millions were sawn, and as a result, bankruptcy. And again, at the expense of the poor, the budget comes with help to save Giner. Miracles in our kingdom do not end.