The Sukhoi Design Bureau showed a photo with a full-size layout of the Soviet C-22

For the 80 anniversary, Sukhoi Design Bureau presented unique images that capture one of the stages of the C-22 program.

We are talking about the Soviet program to create the latest fighter, the parameters of which, according to today's "standards", relate to the fifth generation fighter.

On photo Sukhoi a full-size model of the aircraft is presented, which in the framework of the mentioned C-22 program was designated as Su-47 (in the end, it was different from the presented version).

This is a fighter with an aerodynamic layout, which provided for the use of a reverse sweep wing.

A unique photograph of the nozzle is also demonstrated. As you can see, the Soviet developers intended to create a nozzle flat - for the operation of promising aircraft engines.

Photo "Air Defense Bulletin Blog"

Almost 37 years have passed since the start of development, but to this day it is this type of nozzle that is considered the most progressive and fully appropriate means aviation new generations. Recall that in our country work is underway on the drum drone under the S-70 program (heavy strike UAV "Okhotnik"), which should eventually lead to the creation of an aircraft with a flat nozzle. At the moment, flight tests of the "Hunter" with the initial version of the nozzle are being carried out.

Previously, the UAV made a pair flight with a fifth-generation fighter Su-57.

The American F-22 and F-35 fighters (both the fifth generation) could take a lot from Soviet developments. In particular, you can pay attention to a certain similarity of the design of gliders.

Comments

[rocket757]

It’s like a reminder for what we’ve lost!
You can get upset, but you have to go forward!

[carstorm 11]

in general, this program was closed in 88)

[rocket757]

Quote: carstorm 11

in general, this program was closed in 88)

Learn from mistakes .... nothing happens in vain, despite the time and resources spent!

[Per se.]

Quote: carstorm 11

this program was closed in 88

The idea of ​​a "tsar torpedo" was closed in the USSR much earlier, but it came in handy ...

I decided that such a carrier could be a large torpedo launched from a submarine. I fantasized that it was possible to develop a direct-flow water-steam atomic jet engine for such a torpedo. The target of an attack from a distance of several hundred kilometers should be the ports of the enemy. <…> The body of such a torpedo can be made very durable, it is not afraid of mines and barrage nets. Of course, the destruction of ports - both by a surface explosion of a torpedo with a 100-megaton charge that "jumped out" of the water, and by an underwater explosion - inevitably involves very large human casualties. One of the first people with whom I discussed this project was Rear Admiral Fomin ... He was shocked by the "cannibalistic nature" of the project and noticed in a conversation with me that naval sailors were used to fighting an armed enemy in open combat and that the very thought was disgusting for him about such a massacre. I was ashamed and never discussed this project with anyone again.
- A. Sakharov “The Cosmic World”: TSAR-TORPEDA

The idea to cause an artificial tsunami by a powerful (up to 100 megatons tons) explosion near the US coast belongs to academician Lavrentiev. In 1962, he wrote a memorandum to Khrushchev, on whose initiative experiments were conducted to test the effects of a powerful coastal underwater explosion at the Central Research Institute-12 of the Ministry of Defense. Their results showed that, regardless of the power of the underwater explosion, real damage could be caused to US coastal facilities at a distance of 2, a maximum of 5 km from the water edge.

With the current "effective managers", optimizations and reductions in science and production, much more from the ideas and developments of the USSR will have to be remembered.

[keeper03]

The Chinese J-20 is very similar to the C-22!

[aybolyt678]

Quote: carstorm 11

in general, this program was closed in 88)

traitors shut

[Aerodrome]

The Sukhoi Design Bureau showed a photo with a full-size layout of the Soviet C-22

showed the "backward USSR" ...

[rocket757]

Quote: Aerodrome

The Sukhoi Design Bureau showed a photo with a full-size layout of the Soviet C-22

showed the "backward USSR" ...

Yes, such "backward" that many wrote with joy when they managed to stop our great country.
Okay, let's not look back! There will be another holiday on our Zarechnaya street!

[Aerodrome]

Quote: rocket757

Okay, let's not look back! There will be another holiday on our Zarechnaya street!

one humorist said something like: "and the music will play, but you will not hear it ..." I mean that age will not allow you to look at the Normal country. maybe the grandchildren will be lucky, but I don’t envy, it’s worse than living in an "era of change". However, you need to get out of the ERovskaya quagmire.

[rocket757]

Quote: Aerodrome

I mean, age will not allow you to look at a Normal country.

This is normal, it is natural, we will sit together on the clouds and rejoice for our descendants, COUNTRY!

[Aerodrome]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: Aerodrome

I mean, age will not allow you to look at a Normal country.

This is normal, it is natural, we will sit together on the clouds and rejoice for our descendants, COUNTRY!

[bober1982]

Quote: Aerodrome

one comedian said something like that

It was not a comedian who said so, he said - a holder of the Order of the Red Star and two Orders of Glory.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: bober1982

one humorist said something like: "and the music will play, but you will not hear it ..

right .. Great Actor ..

[NordUral]

Or can we do everything so that THEIR music is silent?

[NordUral]

Airfield! And I, at least a little over 70, I hope to see! Time has accelerated, and these they are doing everything so that all the people wake up and shake off the thieves mold.

[rocket757]

Quote: NordUral

And I, at least a little over 70, I hope to see! Time has accelerated

Time has accelerated, only our society, like a bear after hibernation, roars, roars the right weed, and then no way, until the whole body wakes up completely! No business except the roar .... how long will this continue ???

[NordUral]

I hope that the sense of self-preservation and parental love for children and grandchildren, great-grandchildren will wake us up and reason us out of a dull and relatively well-fed numbness. But there’s not much time for this, and you don’t have time to wake up. And finally, leaders should appear in the people who can lead to beneficial changes in the country.

[rocket757]

Quote: NordUral

I hope that the sense of self-preservation and parental love for children and grandchildren-great-grandchildren will wake up and reason

But this is a big question! So it’s easier, I put the child under the nose a TV, game console, computer, smartphone and all business !!!
Previously, grandparents trusted children, but there is LIVING COMMUNICATION, and their ancestors will not teach a bad kid!
In general, the "unexpected" awaits many !!! A roasted rooster is already coming to them!

[NordUral]

Hmm, they did their sad contribution, Victor, sometimes such thoughts also come. But still I hope.

[rocket757]

Quote: NordUral

But still I hope.

I study with teenagers, teach them practical tricks ... it really hinders the fact that children are not ready to break away from their phone games !!! We have to admonish parents, otherwise nothing.
And it is in the VILLAGE !!! What is happening in the cities?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: rocket757

that's how long it will last ???

to a leader who finds the right idea, or to the degeneration of all Russia.
And the idea should be very simple: Stalin is the continuer of the work of Jesus Christ, the builder of the kingdom of God on Earth !!! exaggerate a little of course

[Aerodrome]

Quote: NordUral

Airfield! And I, at least a little over 70, I hope to see! Time has accelerated, and these people are doing everything to ensure that all the people woke up and shook off the thieves' mold.

less "shiysat" almost, your optimism pleases, but your health says something else. Yes, I don't care, I want my grandchildren to at least see a completely different life, not a social rip-off, but a Social State.

[NordUral]

We must live in such a way that our grandchildren do not curse us for our dull obedience to the fate prepared for us by those who are now in power. The death of the Union is already on my generation, but we can at least try to justify ourselves that we were deceived.
But now there are no more illusions, as there will be no forgiveness for us if we surrender to the thieves seized power.

[ultra]

Quote: NordUral

And I, at least a little over 70, I hope to see!

You’re an optimist! I’m a little over 50, but not your optimism.

[NordUral]

Michael, I’m a moderate optimist, without pink glasses in front of my eyes. And hope gives me the conviction that we can’t disappear so stupidly. Since the imperious organized crime group is completely numb and already openly laughs in our eyes.
And I hope that it is the stupid arrogance of thieves and their servants that will finally reveal even to the most stubborn, believers of the good king and bad boyars, that this is one gang that leads the country to death.

[NEXUS]

Quote: rocket757

Yes, such "backward" that many wrote with joy when they managed to stop our great country.

And the lantern is without binding ... here many experts were very indignant that the 57th lantern had a binding, from which the EPR suffers very much ... 88, a lantern without it.

[rocket757]

Quote: NEXUS

And the lantern is without binding ...

This is all an experimental model, not the fact that such a flashlight was provided for in the combat model.
This is a matter of technology, is it or not. Could then do the like of proper quality, reliability?

[NEXUS]

Quote: rocket757

Could then do the like of proper quality, reliability?

I'm sure technologies could and were. Unlike modern Russia, the USSR was de facto an industrial superpower without but and if. That is why now we continue to feed on the backlog of the Union.

[rocket757]

Quote: NEXUS

Unlike modern Russia, the USSR was de facto an industrial superpower without but and if.

I listened to the story of a former compatriot how they at the research institute solved the problem of glue with the necessary properties in a couple of days !!! I could not even imagine that the adhesive BUSTILAT was created / invented by our technologists in TWO DAYS!
In the USSR there was a great SCIENCE !!! in the service of the national economy and generally wherever necessary. In Russia, even with leftovers from the past, everything is not easy, according to Satanovsky and many others !!!

[Sentinel-vs]

This is not an experimental sample, but a full-size layout. Before the flight prototypes still very good. far from the layout and the appearance may change in many ways.
If technology could and would make an unbinding lamp on serial samples of technology, then they would. L-logic.

[rocket757]

Quote: Sentinel-vs

If technology could and would do

If it is NECESSARY, then technologies were developed, then!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sentinel-vs

If technology could and would make an unbinding lamp on serial samples of technology, then they would. L-logic.

For your logic, I have my own logic. If, in your opinion, the taillightless lamp was stuck there from Balda, then didn’t they put atomic dviguns or laser guns there? This is the layout.
So the breadboard model, but also flat nozzles and a tanning lamp on the model assumed their presence on a serial machine.

[Doliva63]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: NEXUS

And the lantern is without binding ...

This is all an experimental model, not the fact that such a flashlight was provided for in the combat model.
This is a matter of technology, is it or not. Could then do the like of proper quality, reliability?

In the Union, it seems, the MiG-25 had problems with a flashlight. But still they were decided back in the 60s, so by the 80s, the scientific and technical groundwork was probably.

[rocket757]

Quote: Doliva63

But still they were decided back in the 60s, so by the 80s, the scientific and technical backlog was probably

So we are about the same! In the USSR there was SCIENCE, problems were solved as they arose. Of course, at the technological level that was in the industry.
If it was absolutely NECESSARY, they created everything that was necessary.
The same "Buran" there is so much invented, created and implemented, it is impossible to count!
This is the legacy of our great country ... now I would continue to increase it !!!! Ehhhh ... no further words, just pee pee pee

[NEXUS]

Quote: Aerodrome

duck and "raid" he has no trouble ... then you past the box office Andryukha remember how the 25th lanterns "melted? ...

No ... here I fell into the hole. I will explain ... we stupidly lost many technologies of the USSR or simply forgot. And I’m more than sure that the USSR had already had the technology of unbinding lantern. Already in material science, the USSR was de facto ahead of the rest.
And to sculpt on the model of Th at will also did not sculpt. After all, you don’t even stutter about the fact that this model has nozzles with flat nozzles, ala Lizard. By the way, number 22 in this regard is very much in topic.
I repeat, the USSR was a technological industrial superpower. If not all, then a lot could be there. Because there was a base, brains, school and understanding.
Stealth is not invented in the United States.
And about the 25th ... then there was no such task. He performed his functions and so beautifully performed. And why improve what already worked and did everything that was required of him at that time?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Aerodrome

showed the "backward USSR" ...

Are they showing us advanced Russia now? Was it not soon that they appointed themselves "pedagogues"? Or has the white flag stopped obscuring the eye? Or have you listened to streams of slander?
In the USSR in 1982 there were no such technologies and materials to sculpt a product in kind. Now you can try, is it necessary? Reverse sweep is useful for carrier-based aviation, but we (according to the latest reports) have no deck ...

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[Aerodrome]

Quote: ROSS 42

And now they show us advanced Russia?

you have absolutely bad with Chew? don't you see sarcasm?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Aerodrome

you have absolutely bad with Chew? don't you see sarcasm?

Have you noticed the irony?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Aerodrome

you have absolutely bad with Chew? don't you see sarcasm?

Have you noticed the irony?

call me ... hastily ...

[knn54]

The question is why SU-57 has a "TRADITIONAL" swept wing?

[Operator]

Because the wing with reverse sweep works only on the sound.

[Proton]

So otsyali that for 30 years we can’t catch up with what was

[Odati71]

It even flew. Golden eagle project. But bad and with problems.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Odati71

It even flew. Golden eagle project. But bad and with problems.

for 37 years, not bad ... the Yankees drooled.

[carstorm 11]

Golden eagle is already for the Navy sort of like the deck did. if memory doesn’t change but everything began as promising for the Air Force. then at 88 they closed the project.

[Kirill Dou]

what did they drool for? In 1984, they raised their experimental back-wing fighter into the air. 13 years before the first flight of the Su-47.

[carstorm 11]

it's not just a back wing)

Germans flew even earlier) the point is the concept of a promising fighter. and there are a lot of things)

[Kirill Dou]

the point is the concept of a promising fighter. and there are a lot of things)

- So the American experimental Northrop Grumman X-29 was also created as part of the concept of a new promising fighter.

my comment referred to the words "Americans were drooling." By the time the Berkut flew, the Americans had been using their experimental Northrop Grumman X-13 with a reverse wing for 29 years, and at the same time they were developing a really promising and breakthrough Raptor. Which, we note, went into series, and did not remain a flying laboratory in a single copy.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Kirill Dou

experimental fighter

There from the fighter a set of nodes from different cars. There is no radar, no sighting systems, no suspension, no fighter.))

[Kirill Dou]

Cram into the glider radar, sights and weapons of labor would not be special.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Kirill Dou

Cram into the airborne radar, sights and weapons of labor would not be special

Pf, really, balancing, weight distribution, power supply, shifting the aerodynamic focus - some rubbish. Without much labor, it means without much labor. It is a pity that the people are not in the know.

[Kirill Dou]

Oh, damn it, seriously? To distribute avionics and armament to the developed glider in such a way as to preserve its flying qualities - is this such a fundamentally big task? Do you want to threaten it for decades?)

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

There is no radar, no sighting systems, no suspension, no fighter.))

And the plane - is and flies (more precisely, it was and was flying). Unlike the layout.

By the way, the X-29 fulfilled its task - it showed that the reverse sweep wing is unprofitable. Sukhoi Design Bureau reached the same conclusions in 10-15 years.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Kirill Dou

what did they drool for? In 1984, they raised their experimental back-wing fighter into the air. 13 years before the first flight of the Su-47.

and? our "laboratory" still flies, and even at parades. and where are they?

[Kirill Dou]

The American X-29 made a total of 374 flights. Will "Berkut" have enough?

and in parades even

- what an achievement))

still flies

- does not fly. At MAX-2019, he stood on a static exposition. Since 2007, the only copy is in the Gromov Museum.

[fighter angel]

Yes, at least 100500 flights X-29 made.
What's next?
He did NOT become a prototype of a fighter!
As he was an easy demonstrator of CBS technologies, so he remained.

[Kirill Dou]

He did NOT become a prototype of a fighter!

- And the S-47 became the prototype of a serial fighter? In which universe?

[fighter angel]

The "specialist" who is kirill dou!
And you, dear man, "snitch", it turns out!
Modera quietly complained, I thought no one would recognize ...
It’s not manly. And not honestly on your part.
Normal people warn those to whom there are complaints.
And only then they file a complaint to the moderator.

But back to the topic of dispute.
Firstly, not S-47, but either S-37 or Su-47. Learn at last the already competent name of the aircraft!
And secondly, in our universe! Became one of the prototypes of the T-50, aka PAK FA, and also in the Su-57 series. As far as it is possible to learn from the declassified data, the Su-47 most of the flights, and their number is quite impressive (no matter how you would like to see the opposite), made in the interests of the PAK FA program, the development of stealth technologies, and also, one of the tasks, on it was spent, was the placement of missile weapons inside the fuselage.
Third: In the same way with the Yankees: X-29 became one of the intermediate stages of work on the Fu-22 / Fu-35, although they do not advertise this.
Fourth: It is absolutely incorrect to compare the Kh-29 and the Su-47. Our Berkut is a full-fledged fighter, albeit an experimental one. With working avionics and weapons, built-in cannon and 8 tons of combat load, with a twin-engine power plant, its dimensions are 3 times larger than the American "bike" X-29 with one engine, which has no avionics and no weapons. Moreover, the very possibility of placing this all on the X-29 simply does not exist. "Bicycle" - it is "bicycle".

[ultra]

Quote: Kirill Dou

In 1984, they raised their experimental back-wing fighter into the air.

Are you sure about this? Was it a fighter?

[Kirill Dou]

It was exactly the prototype of a fighter, yes.

[fighter angel]

Never a prototype fighter!
Light jet aircraft, "worker" of the KOS concept.
Pure unarmed "experimentalist".

[Zaurbek]

Yankers at the same time developed F22 and F23 ...

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Zaurbek

F23 ...

how much ?

[Kirill Dou]

2 copies. 2 times more than "Berkuts".

[Zaurbek]

Moreover, turbojet engines too .....

[rocket757]

Problems are solved with due persistence and investment of labor / funds.
Concepts are also changing / correcting. Simple \ difficult, but solvable.

[Azazelo]

As the dude said on the channel "Time Forward", we (Russia) need to catch up not with the Americans, not the Germans, but ourselves in the past.

[Zaurbek]

Rather, repeat the experience of the first five-year plans for the development of advanced developments in the West. And, in addition, methods of commercialization of these developments.

[ruslanverchenko]

Yes, that's right, you don’t have to live by memories .. but create them ..

[maidan.izrailovich]

.... You can get upset ....

We must not be sad, but draw conclusions and learn from mistakes. In order not to step on the same rake in the future.

And with this I also agree:

... you have to go forward !.

.

[rocket757]

Quote: ruslanverchenko

Yes, that's right, you don’t have to live by memories .. but create them ..

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

draw conclusions and learn from mistakes.

All right, that’s what we are talking about! There are still many ahead of us, many different things waiting for us !!!

[zombirusrev]

"Get sad!" (C);))))))))))))))))))))))
With this attitude, Hitler can also be justified. Guilty must answer in all severity!

[V1er]

What a handsome man!

[Alexander Suvorov]

Yes, a lot of things were developed under the USSR breakthrough. Many developments of that time just now saw the light. And how much the Americans stubborn during the fight-drunk ...

[bessmertniy]

It is a pity for the stolen one, but the main thing is new developments that should bring our defense industry to technological leadership, and - so that they do not get to the enemy.

[MoJloT]

Almost 37 years have passed since the start of development, but to this day it is precisely this type of nozzle that is considered the most progressive and fully.

[Gosh 60]

American F-22 and F-35 fighters (both fifth generation) could take a lot from Soviet developments. In particular, you can pay attention to a certain similarity of the design of gliders.

They not only could - they absorbed! How much? History is silent.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Beautiful ... Like a bird.

[Vladimir_2U]

The layout of the nozzles is good, but the air intakes are not visible at all.

[Zaurbek]

On the Golden Eagle on top of them, too, is not visible

[Vladimir_2U]

Photo "Berkut", bottom view, complete. If this is the same on the layout, then with stealth in front everything is not very good.

[Odati71]

Reverse sweep proved to be poor in strength parameters. And how such a nozzle will be with a variable vector or down with super maneuverability.

[K-612-O]

On the Raptor is just UVT, though only vertically

[ultra]

Quote: Odati71

And how such a nozzle will be with a variable vector

It is with the variable, but only in the vertical plane.

[Pavel57]

His draft 1-42 went around.

[Pete mitchell]

37 years old, but still looks relevant today, stunned .. As the classic said there - Yes, there were people nowadays, not like ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

37 years old, but still looks relevant today, stunned .. As the classic said there - Yes, there were people nowadays, not like ...

I’m sure that I would give the Raptor 100 points ahead ... if it weren’t for the leaders of the top pros-haters and sellers of the USSR, today we would fly on flying saucers no worse than aliens.

[Pete mitchell]

As Stanislavsky said - live in the proposed circumstances . Lermontov closer, those people themselves created circumstances for half the world. I repeat: the Russian Federation behaves like a magnanimous bear, but it has long been clear that it turned out to be at the table with cheaters - keep the candelabra at hand and be ready to embed ... They didn’t understand, they don’t understand and they won’t understand

[NEXUS]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

RF behaves like a generous bear

No, not like that ... we were hoping that like that ... a noble bear, and all that. But in fact, looking at what our helmsmen are doing, this is called a simple word, prostitution. There is nobility, respect for their land, homeland and people, but their own selfish interests and nothing more. And these glavnyuki are no better than those who sit in Berlin, Washington or London.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: NEXUS

No, not like that ... we were hoping it was like that.

I probably want to believe in the best, but I do not rule out the possibility that you are right. It is a pity that in foreign policy Russia does not follow the precepts of Catherine the Great

[Pete mitchell]

I want to believe that there is a long game plan ... “Russia is reproached for being isolated and silent in the face of facts that are not in harmony with either law or justice. They say that Russia is angry. Russia is not angry, Russia is focusing. ”A.M. Gorchakov.

[Doliva63]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Pete Mitchell

RF behaves like a generous bear

No, not like that ... we were hoping that like that ... a noble bear, and all that. But in fact, looking at what our helmsmen are doing, this is called a simple word, prostitution. There is nobility, respect for their land, homeland and people, but their own selfish interests and nothing more. And these glavnyuki are no better than those who sit in Berlin, Washington or London.

"... have their own selfish interests and nothing more."
Does capitalism mean anything else?

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: NEXUS

Raptor sure 100 points forward would give

I would not give it. They decided to build the Su-57 with a normal wing and nozzles.

[Kirill Dou]

Let people dream about a future that has not come true and will never come true already)

[Good_Anonymous]

So this version of the future, one might say, came true in the form of "Berkut". But, as it turned out, there are more problems than benefits from CBS.

[Paul Siebert]

It looks very futuristic! I can’t even believe that the project is about forty years old!
I hope that the ideas embodied in the layout are alive.
It is necessary to move forward. But do not forget the best practices of the past.

[Ross xnumx]

The American F-22 and F-35 fighters (both the fifth generation) could take a lot from Soviet developments. In particular, you can pay attention to a certain similarity of the design of gliders.

They could have absorbed and absorbed ... There are a lot of things that the EBN Democrats presented. By the way, about:

these Russian "ordinary polymers"

https://topwar.ru/29719-zachem-russkie-otdali-ssha-svoy-uran-i-otdali-li.html

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: ROSS 42

Could absorb and absorb ...

Do not confuse - F-35 copied from the Yak-141

[Kirill Dou]

American fighters F-22 and F-35 (both the fifth generation) could take a lot from Soviet developments. In particular, you can pay attention to a certain similarity of the design of gliders.

Where the author noticed the similarity between the classic layout with a conventional wing in American aircraft and a "canard" with a PGO and a forward-swept wing is anyone's guess.

could take a lot from Soviet developments.

- Is it such a consolation, or what? Like, of course, we didn’t have it brought to mind, but without our developments there wouldn’t be your F-22/35

But what the glider shown in the photo really looks like is the Northrop Grumman X-29 aircraft. The only problem is that this plane first took to the air back in 1984. So, rather, these are just Russian fighters "could have absorbed many American developments."

[Pavel57]

The first jet aircraft with a sweep wing was the German bunker Junkers Ju-287 (1944).

[Kirill Dou]

Quote: Pavel57

The first jet aircraft with a sweep wing was the German bunker Junkers Ju-28

- Well, you look at the Junkers with a classic aerodynamic design, and the American X-29 with a morning design and front horizontal tail. And you will understand which of them the S-22 glider looked more like.

[Pavel57]

Many planes are similar, the S-37 / Su-47 has a fence similar to Rafal’s, and what of this?
The duck pattern has been known since the birth of aviation. The first Soviet duck aircraft was made in 1945.
Each scheme has its pros and cons.
It is a mistake to assume that C-22 is copied from X-29.

[Kirill Dou]

It is a mistake to assume that C-22 is copied from X-29.

- I just pointed out their similarity in response to this passage in the article:

The American F-22 and F-35 fighters (both the fifth generation) could take a lot from Soviet developments. In particular, you can pay attention to a certain similarity of the design of gliders.

Agree, the American "fives" are much less similar to the C-22 than the C-22 is similar to the X-29.

[Pavel57]

But it does not seem that the F-22 is similar to the F-15, but that one is just a copy of the MiG-25.

[Kirill Dou]

Read carefully: my comment about the similarities between S-22 and X-29 was a response to the aforementioned passage from the article.

[Alexey-74]

Developments of the USSR are still used in Russia and in the USA (those that were able to buy, steal, etc.)

[Sentinel-vs]

Quote: rocket757

It’s like a reminder for what we’ve lost!
You can get upset, but you have to go forward!

Are you sure that we have lost something and no one is moving forward? Only NOW it became known about these developments of the USSR, who can say with confidence that various breakthrough concepts that we will learn about no sooner than a dozen years are not being developed and tested now?

[Lone gunman]

"American fighters F-22 and F-35 (both - the fifth generation)" ... F-35))), what are you doing ?! The F-35 is not some kind of 5th generation, but a 4 ++ * aircraft, in vertical takeoff and landing, namely takeoff, it can hover, which means it can take off without "special" problems. But the car ... is good for NATO countries, we could have done better, well, this is for NATO countries, and so it goes. Scribes)))

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Lone gunman

F-35 is not not the 5th generation, but a 4 ++ * airplane, in vertical take-off and landing

If you are so accurate, then do not attribute the F-35 to vertical take-off.

[Lone gunman]

Russian simplicity ... look at 22:22 very "interesting" shots)))

[Good_Anonymous]

AND? He cannot take off vertically with fuel and weapons (like Harrier or Yak) and is not intended for this. He cannot even sit upright with a combat load.

Or, if you think the F-35 is capable of vertical take-off, consider it also capable of afterburning supercruise - it accelerates in afterburner, then flies several tens of kilometers without overburning in supersonic.

[Lone gunman]

))) and the point.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Lone gunman

and point.

No questions.

[Dmitry Vyazmenskiy]

Maybe they closed it because it does not meet the necessary requirements, and the monkeys from .... licked! But God sees everything!))

[opus]

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The Sukhoi Design Bureau showed a photo with a full-size layout of the Soviet C-22

only the OKB "Sukhoi" do not know what they showed

appeared all 14 hours ago:

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https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3875547.html

provides a link to

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but he doesn’t have it

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On the occasion of the 80th anniversary of the Sukhoi Design Bureau

mmm ..

The history of the Sukhoi Design Bureau Open Joint-Stock Company dates back to the AGOS TsAGI brigade No. 4, which in October 1930 headed by P.O. Dry. From this moment, the formation of the design team of the future design bureau begins.

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https://www.sukhoi.org/company/struktura-kholdinga/okb/

2019-1930 = already 89 years old.
Officer:
They did not say anything on the 80th anniversary

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[peter rusin_2]

Any information will always be in demand! Negative for not repeating mistakes, positive for future and present use!

[Vlad5307]

Quote: carstorm 11

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Sorry, minus because the research results always carry useful experience that allows you to avoid mistakes in the future and use what is useful in the course, even if it was closed in the future.

[YakimovSS]

In particular, you can pay attention to a certain similarity of the design of gliders.

Where to look?

[Alex_You]

Handsome, what else to say.

[Shelest2000]

Such a country was dried out ... (c)

[Doliva63]

I wonder how many suspension points were supposed to be? There seems to be nowhere to hang. Already on the 5th generation already then waved?

[Alexey from Perm]

It seems that there is an excuse in the magazine, so look, you see, we were the first to come up with a flat nozzle. And do not care that on Su 57 it is standard ...

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Quote: Alexey from Perm

And do not care that on Su 57 it is standard ...

Well, on the F-35 it is also standard.
B-2B has a General Electric F118-10 engine with a "normal" nozzle, only the exhaust is in the casing

[Alexey from Perm]

On a bomber, this is easier to implement due to its size; is the sheepskin worth dressing at all? From the point of view of gas dynamics, the square nozzle is continuous loss, both speed and weight. For modern IR missile heads, does it really matter which nozzle there is?

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Quote: Alexey from Perm

For modern IR missile heads, does it really matter which nozzle there is?

I'm not IKGSN ...

IR visibility is reduced by correctly forming the ratio of the width to the height of the nozzle and the exit jet in order to lower its temperature. The thrust vector control on such a nozzle is made according to design capabilities only in the vertical plane.

but I think there is a difference

[Kirill Dou]

Moreover, just the Americans began to experience the flat nozzle - back in 1988.

[KJIETyc]

Quote: keeper03

The Chinese J-20 is very similar to the C-22!

What kind of sou ale? your ji 20 is a copy of the instant 1.44

[vfvlasov]

I remember riveted this crap in 1984. But they did it for destruction in tests at the institute. Not for flying. Apparently did not have time.