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Construction of Nord Stream-2 extended for winter and spring of 2020

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Construction of Nord Stream-2 extended for winter and spring of 2020

The Nord Stream-2 pipeline operator Nord Stream 2 has filed an application with the relevant German authority to continue construction in the winter and spring of next year. It is reported by Deutsche Welle with reference to the agency DPA.


According to the German publication, in order to complete the construction of the gas pipeline in the coming months, the operator company intends to continue work in the winter-spring period of 2020. In order to make appropriate changes to the project, an application was submitted to the German Federal Office for Maritime Navigation and Hydrography. Consideration of the application is scheduled for Monday, December 16.

As noted, the delay in the construction of the pipeline is associated with a long lack of permission to lay pipes from Denmark.

The Nord Stream-2 project involves the construction of a gas pipeline along the bottom of the Baltic Sea from Russia to Germany. The estimated capacity of the pipeline is 55 million cubic meters per year. It was planned that the construction of SP-2 would be completed before the end of the 2019 year, and gas would go through it already in the 2020 year. Now the deadlines are shifted to the right, for how long, not reported.

Meanwhile, the Nord Stream-2 pipeline operator Nord Stream 2 has stepped up work on laying the remaining section of the pipeline along the bottom of the Baltic Sea. The pace of installation will depend on weather conditions. To date, 80% of the gas pipeline has been built.

It was previously reported that the United States included the imposition of sanctions against Nord Stream-2 in the US military budget for 2020.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 15 December 2019 16: 43
    +19
    Oops ... Now, of course, I'll grab the "minuses", I will even agree with them, but I would like to comment ... Especially those who happily rubbed their hands under the motto "Here we will block the transit with dill!"
    When is there "gop" to say? .. ...
    1. Asian
      Asian 15 December 2019 16: 49
      -36
      When all the figs in the country gasify, then scream
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 15 December 2019 17: 00
        -2
        we already consume more gas than all of Europe combined. We burn ourselves 70 percent of all production. Gasification of all is a matter of the distant future.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 15 December 2019 17: 41
          +22
          Energy, industry consumes mainly the issue of gas supply to the population. And this question is painful and urgent. For the distant future. And about this decision on SP2 it is quite expected. Just once again before puffing out your cheeks you need to think again. This is about the joyful exclamations about the frozen banderostan and the end of transit. And here is not the end. The national treasure will never refuse dough. And patriotism and profit are mutually exclusive things.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 15 December 2019 17: 47
            +9
            and what's the difference who consumes?) there are certain volumes. the lion's share remains domestically and is consumed. and this amount is growing all the time. but the country needs currency too. By building gas pipelines, the issue of gasification is simultaneously being addressed. that is, roughly speaking, sales abroad are also pushing gasification with us) I mean that all this is interconnected very tightly. and every item is needed.
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 15 December 2019 21: 42
              +14
              Quote: carstorm 11
              and what's the difference who consumes?)

              for those who drown with wood there
              1. at84432384
                at84432384 16 December 2019 20: 53
                +3
                Especially when the highway passes near your house, but it costs to connect like a cast-iron bridge.
            2. ALEX_SHTURMAN
              ALEX_SHTURMAN 16 December 2019 08: 55
              +5
              But who cares whether the rich or the poor have money, because the money is inside the country, the poor will be taken over from the master’s shoulder. What difference does anyone have Gas on Rublevo-Uspensky highway or in the village of my grandmother, because the gas is inside the country. The budget is surplus - if you have nowhere to go and you don’t want to raise people’s salaries, spend money on roads and gasification of settlements, and don’t give Chubais to RosnaDo to create artificial intelligence, find someone to give money to ..
            3. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 16 December 2019 12: 49
              +5
              Explain where the country ends and the currency for it and the currency for officials? It’s time to understand that the official is working in his pocket, ONLY in his pocket. For him, we are just dairy cows (at best), and most often an annoying hindrance to a complete robbery. I do not understand your enthusiasm. This is not our SP2, this is their SP2 and all the profits from it have already been planned and distributed in pockets, the social program is not provided there.
            4. dirk182
              dirk182 17 December 2019 16: 34
              0
              70 percent of all production is burned by ourselves
              You can say that they heard you.
              Gazprom called for preparations to end the era of low gas prices in Russia.
              In short. The price of gas for the domestic market will increase.
              The amount of gas in the market is growing - the export price is falling - the volume of export is falling - Gazprom is suffering losses - Gazprom will no longer be able to compensate for these losses with its excess profit - the price of gas for the domestic market will increase.
              P.S. It should also be understood that most of the electricity generation in the Russian Federation "hangs" on gas.
              On a personal note: "I heard that we, the people of Russia, are" new oil, "but now we are, apparently, also" new gas. "
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 15 December 2019 17: 54
            +6
            You have tens of trillions of rubles to gasify several tens of thousands of settlements in each of which 30 to 1000 houses are m and each of which is tens and hundreds of kilometers from gas pipelines - Russia has no money for this in the next 20 years will not be.
            1. Mikhail m
              Mikhail m 15 December 2019 18: 43
              +35
              They spent gas, a faucet is standing at the house, but the connection and construction of the heating system are like firewood for 10-12 years. This is not to mention the fact that gas is also not free. And when there is a power outage, which is not uncommon, the circulation pump rises, and the heating kirdyk. So I stay at the wood burning stove. Not so convenient, but cheap, reliable, practical and tested for centuries. You also have to pay for independence.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 15 December 2019 19: 14
                +29
                Quote: Mikhail M
                They spent gas, a faucet is standing at the house, but the connection and construction of the heating system are like firewood for 10-12 years. This is not to mention the fact that gas is also not free.

                The question always tormented: Are gas, water, electricity now any different, that the price is different in comparison with the past, and still does not stop growing? Or is it somehow mined in a different way?
                I read the branch and wonder at how many people got their brains dirty. Remember how in the Caucasian captive, you don’t confuse your personal coat with the state.
                So I look here, many just confuse the personal coat of our nouveau riche with their personal coat.
                Our bowels are formally folk, and de facto they belong to a very narrow circle of citizens, who from this have both wool, greaves and bones with cartilage on the broth. But how sideways are we all at this table, few people ask themselves the question.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 15 December 2019 20: 23
                  +9
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Our bowels are formally folk

                  Of course, it would be nice.
                  But you have to grieve you
                  Article 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
                  1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.
                  2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.

                  Source: http://constitutionrf.ru/rzd-1/gl-1/st-9-krf
                2. Dreama
                  Dreama 16 December 2019 07: 55
                  -3
                  Of the 19,5 trillion of the federal budget for 2018, 9 trillion is tax on production (6) and customs (3); and these are only federal "cracklings". The replenishment of the NWF, which has reached its maximum 7% of GDP, and new revenues will be sent to the Russian economy, can also be classified as federal. So not everything is as sad as (perhaps) you would like.
                3. ALEX_SHTURMAN
                  ALEX_SHTURMAN 16 December 2019 10: 02
                  +2
                  Dear Nexus, the funds are no longer popular: the Constitution of the Russian Federation Article 9:
                  1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.
                  2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership. This is how it can be found, but it can evaporate.
              2. SAG
                SAG 15 December 2019 20: 51
                +4
                Quote: Michael m
                They spent gas, a faucet is standing at the house, but the connection and construction of the heating system are like firewood for 10-12 years. This is not to mention the fact that gas is also not free. And when there is a power outage, which is not uncommon, the circulation pump rises, and the heating kirdyk. So I stay at the wood burning stove. Not so convenient, but cheap, reliable, practical and tested for centuries. You also have to pay for independence.

                Well, this is not entirely true, my situation is exactly the same, but for social protection they returned the money for the gas pipeline and gas boiler 100%. They haven’t started gas yet, but according to calculations, it will pay off for half a year, I need 200m2 of firewood for 20t.r for heating a house + basement (3m20), gas will cost 15-18t.r I still do not take into account the savings on electricity from the stove . And as for the circulation pump, I decided simply, I bought a voltage stabilizer for 3t.r (sold at any computer store) for 4-6 hours of pump operation enough when the electric power is turned off.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 15 December 2019 21: 38
                  +8
                  Quote: SAG
                  but social security returned the money

                  Ek you freebie passed! Which side? belay The bulk connects the gas without return if they reach the border of the site, of course.
                  P.S. not a stabilizer, but an uninterrupted one. wink Is the boiler non-volatile?
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                  2. SAG
                    SAG 16 December 2019 03: 48
                    +3
                    Of course not, the circulation pump is already built-in and all the control through the electronics is on.
                    And as for the freebies, I thought this way across Russia ((((. Gas workers told me this topic before designing. You still find out, just in case, maybe they will compensate you by check. I have a region - the middle Urals.
                2. vadimtt
                  vadimtt 16 December 2019 09: 40
                  +2
                  Does the stabilizer (!!!) for 3 ty keep the circus pump for 4-6 hours without external electricity?
                  Someone deceived you laughing
                  I have a 200 Ah armored battery and a 600 W inverter with a sine - this holds the boiler + pump + controller for about 36 hours. But it's not worth 3 sput hi
                  1. minus
                    minus 16 December 2019 16: 19
                    +1
                    For 3 ty, a 50-watt pump will work for half an hour at best. The accumulator is most likely 7 Ah *, or even less))) Yes, and there will not be a sine wave either, so the normal operation of the pump is in question)))
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            2. 210ox
              210ox 15 December 2019 18: 46
              +10
              I do not and will not. I am not a thief from the budget, and not only from him. But if the authorities were able to squeeze this shusher to the nail, then these trillions would be magically found. However, who will offend their beloved ..
            3. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 15 December 2019 21: 30
              +6
              Quote: Vadim237
              to gasify several tens of thousands of settlements

              Vadik - are you again trying to prove the economic inexpediency of gasification of your own country? belay
              But should everything be evaluated from an economic point of view? fool
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 21: 52
                +4
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Vadik - are you again trying to prove the economic inexpediency of gasification of your own country?
                But should everything be evaluated from an economic point of view?

                He is a shareholder of Gazprom, his pocket will suffer in this case. hi In the near term. sad
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 15 December 2019 21: 59
                  +1
                  Interestingly, does he have market relations in his family? bully
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 22: 28
                    +4
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Interestingly, does he have market relations in his family?

                    There are such families. Somehow a srach broke out on the Internet a few years ago. One beautiful American lady promised to marry a man with an annual income of at least 300 thousand dollars, promised to give birth to a couple of children, not go to the left and all that jazz. Like, she has a boyfriend, but she doesn't get enough. Not enough for her studs. The banker answered her: "Ma'am, this is a bad deal! By the age of 30, your beauty will fade, and for 300 thousand dollars I can change prostitutes every week for every taste!" Well, or something like that, I don't remember exactly. In general, the poor banker was pecked for this lady. laughing Ruined the maiden great American dream. laughing
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 15 December 2019 23: 59
                  +1
                  My pocket will not suffer - all programs for which there is a certain amount of the budget, including the military, will suffer if tomorrow they decide to massify the whole of Russia.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 16 December 2019 00: 04
                    +3
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    My pocket won't hurt

                    Sure. The shareholders of Gazprom will not let go of theirs, their state will "save" ... laughing
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 16 December 2019 00: 50
                      +1
                      And why he’ll suffer - I don’t sell shares, they will not fall in price from this and Gazprom still doesn’t connect gas to houses, this is done by local offices.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 16 December 2019 01: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        I do not sell shares,

                        Share dividends do not get Or how? What for then you these pieces of paper?
                        Gazprom ”plans to direct 50% of net profit on dividends - three times more than the average payments over the past 10 years. Not only the state will benefit from this, but also private investors, including unknown buyers, 6,5% of the shares


                        Read more at RBC:
                        https://www.rbc.ru/newspaper/2019/12/13/5df22e669a794750ff2f0108
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 16 December 2019 10: 50
                        0
                        I haven’t been taking my dividends off for four years now - I’m waiting for the shares to rise in price by at least two.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 15 December 2019 23: 56
                +2
                Money from the air will not be drawn to all of this on their own - huge amounts are needed for this and the infrastructure stretched is extremely expensive to maintain, which will make the gas supplied to settlements especially distant gold. And Russia also has many other problems besides gas, which also require funds.
              3. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 16 December 2019 01: 33
                +3
                Well, when the USSR was also somehow thinking about economic feasibility. since then did not gasify the truth?)
            4. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 15 December 2019 21: 43
              +5
              Quote: Vadim237
              Russia has no money for this and will not have it in the next 20 years.

              for that is, for the purchase of urban Christmas trees for dozens of lyamas, for the creation of the St. Petersburg logo for three lyamas, and for the maintenance of the army of parasites
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 16 December 2019 00: 06
                -2
                Your city trees and the maintenance of the army of parasites by expenses did not even stand far with the amounts needed for gasification of 60000 settlements on an area of ​​17 million square kilometers.
                1. Barmaleyka
                  Barmaleyka 16 December 2019 09: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Your city trees and the maintenance of the army of parasites on expenses, even in the distance did not stand

                  For 8 months of this year, the damage in the completed criminal cases of corruption in Russia amounted to about 102 billion rubles. This was announced today, November 18, by the deputy head of the department for combating offenses in the field of distribution and use of budgetary funds of the GUEBiPK of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia Dmitry Sevastyanov.
                2. Barmaleyka
                  Barmaleyka 16 December 2019 12: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Your city trees

                  unfortunately not mine wassat
                3. dirk182
                  dirk182 17 December 2019 16: 51
                  0
                  So can you just start? Gasify at least a dozen "points". Perhaps the life of the villagers will improve. Maybe they will start to acquire a farm, give birth to children.
                  Yes, far away were not with the amounts necessary for gasification of 60000 settlements
                  We have problems not only with gas in the country. Deterioration of electrical networks, water supply networks. As you said, we need to wait for "northern streams" and "Baikal water pipelines."
              2. Fikys
                Fikys 16 December 2019 02: 19
                +4
                "The dragon is dead, long live the dragon!" © Do you want to move a little to the side of the big "parasites" to sit next to them as a little parasite ?! Why do you think everyone else should throw in your personal free comfort? Firewood is Foreva! Or pay for electricity ...
                1. Barmaleyka
                  Barmaleyka 16 December 2019 12: 38
                  -2
                  Quote: Fikys
                  moat - forever! Or pay for electricity ...

                  dear, well, apparently, at one time EVERYTHING fell into YOUR COMFORT, why you refuse this to others, and as for electricity, to put it mildly, you are not aware that it is not so easy to install an electric boiler, you still have to give approval for connecting additional capacities, and in villages, the power for home ownership is calculated at the rate of 4.5 kW per house.
                  about the "little parasite" I pay taxes as well as you therefore keep yourself within
                  1. Fikys
                    Fikys 17 December 2019 05: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Barmaleyka
                    At one time, ALL chipped in YOUR COMFORT,

                    Are you sure about that? If yes, please explain how?
                    Quote: Barmaleyka
                    what about electricity, to put it mildly, you are not aware

                    Yes, so far to me. He took part in the electrification of his own village, and was completely unaware lol (from 2009 for individuals up to 15kW)
                    Quote: Barmaleyka
                    I pay taxes just like you

                    At the same time, you demand more for yourself. Such are your "frames".
                    1. Barmaleyka
                      Barmaleyka 17 December 2019 08: 58
                      -1
                      Quote: Fikys
                      Are you sure about that? If yes, please explain how?

                      I'm sorry, but the cities at the union gasified at the expense of the state than you now and use
                      Quote: Fikys
                      Yes, so far to me. He took part in the electrification of his own village, and was completely unaware (since 2009 for individuals up to 15 kW)

                      about 15 and now, my dear, count the full load without taking into account the boiler, you can easily leave and go to 20
                      Quote: Fikys
                      At the same time, you demand more for yourself. Such are your "frames".

                      what oyurasom - JUSTIFY
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                      3. Fikys
                        Fikys 17 December 2019 19: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        cities under the union gasified at the expense of the state than you now and use

                        The nearest city is 30 km from me, the nearest gasified city is at least 700 km. It doesn’t. Try again.
                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        count the full load without taking into account the boiler, you can easily leave and at 20

                        Consider your load yourself. I have a 32A machine at the entrance to the house, I’ve never cut down wink
                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        what oyurasom - JUSTIFY

                        Very simple. You demand that the state spend a lot of money on your personal comfort, but I do not demand this, that's all.
            5. Mityay65
              Mityay65 15 December 2019 22: 15
              +4
              Quote: Vadim237
              Russia has no money for this and will not have it in the next 20 years.

              You don’t understand what you are writing about, right? feel
              There is continuous gasification in the USA, Europe, China ... yes, and by the way, in Ukraine, at the end of owls. power was 64%, and now 84% of the gasification of the population, everything happened mainly in the reign of the memorable Kuchma.
              Modern gasification methods do not require laying a pipeline, n / a located separately are equipped with cars - LNG carriers, all culturally. It’s almost like bringing coal to a loan - the main thing is that there would be a highway.
              And the medium-pressure pipeline is not such a problem to throw one of the richest companies in the world - Gazprom. The main thing is that there would be a desire.
              There are several major gas pipelines in the Tver region, and the gasification level is 64% ...
              1. Brturin
                Brturin 16 December 2019 00: 28
                -1
                Quote: Mityai65
                And the medium-pressure pipeline is not such a problem to throw one of the richest companies in the world - Gazprom. The main thing is that there would be a desire. There are several major gas pipelines in the Tver region, and the gasification level is 64% ...

                Gazprom, but under the current system, part of the financing of gasification lies with the regions - Miller in March - “Without a doubt, there is a huge potential for an increase in the rate of gasification. This, of course, is primarily due to funding from the regions. Gazprom in the past financed the gasification program in the amount of 36,7 billion rubles. And, most importantly, we can increase funding by 50%, or even twice, but most importantly, within the framework of the synchronization program ... Thus, there is an understanding that with an increase in the volume of funding from the regions, it is possible to increase the gasification in the countryside at a fairly rapid pace. " I need to change the system
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 16 December 2019 00: 31
                0
                "There is continuous gasification in the United States, Europe, China ... yes, and by the way, in Ukraine, at the end of the Soviet government there were 64%, and now 84% of the gasification of the population, everything took place mainly during the reign of the memorable Kuchma." In China and the United States there is no permafrost, the climate is milder, which already greatly simplifies the construction of the entire infrastructure of the city-forming road pipeline, etc., and the territory is almost half that of Russia, which also makes the construction of infrastructure cheaper and easier. 84% of Ukraine is gasified - well done Soviet power, well done Kuchma, but then what, how many settlements in Ukraine will be left without gas if the Ukrainian GTS stops working, they promise to raise gas price tags by 30% from the new year and this without a possible termination transit and in what condition the entire Ukrainian gas system, they will not go far on American LNG, what further will UKRYUAR coal help - but there are stoves, but money for all this?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 16 December 2019 07: 49
                  +5
                  Vadik, what are you talking about again! ??? fool I have already said more than once that the average Volga region has problems with gasification, and you are talking about permafrost. Maybe enough of an eccentric to pretend to be?
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 16 December 2019 10: 55
                    -3
                    Permafrost is part of the problem of gasification in Russia, in the Urals, Siberia and the Far East the same is full of settlements for gasification.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 16 December 2019 13: 04
                      +2
                      Do you need to solve these problems? Or is export a priority?
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 16 December 2019 20: 57
                        +1
                        Additional funds for the budget from exports are a priority, since they build and repair the entire infrastructure of Russia. And oil and gas in Russia will never end, since all this is renewable by the bowels of the Earth, and the hydrocarbon cycle in nature takes place like water and other chemical compounds, only hydrogen and helium fly into space.
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 17 December 2019 07: 27
                        +2
                        Is gasification not the infrastructure of Russia? belay
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 17 December 2019 17: 05
                        0
                        Gasification is a part of the infrastructure of Russia, so that all settlements need gasification at trillions under 20 rubles, this by itself is work and volume for decades. Once again, Russia has no less important problems: roads, bridges, hydraulic structures, power plants, resettlement from emergency housing, heating networks, transport accessibility, ecology - elimination of landfills and chemical settlers, radioactive contamination of abandoned or disabled chemical plants across the country , the creation of garbage processing plants, the improvement of cities and much more all this requires hundreds of trillions of rubles.
            6. boss
              boss 16 December 2019 00: 09
              +3
              And why not hundreds of trillionaffs?
              or are you talking about the complete gasification of all high-altitude and inaccessible settlements?
              however, to provide gas to almost 90% of the population, which is also not bad, you must agree, 8 trillion is enough, at the prices of 16, we are not talking about any mythical "tens of trillions".
              and as for Gazprom, it is a tool for robbing the Russian Federation.
              Thanks to management, capitalization in US dollars has decreased tenfold, but huge dividends to foreign Gazprom owners and management are paid regularly.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 16 December 2019 01: 14
                -5
                Gas pipelines are not only pipes: storages, compressor stations, meters, diagnostics stations, equipment and machinery for servicing all this, as well as workers - who will service and monitor all this, and also paperwork to register and register all this - 2016 trillion rubles in 8 prices may be enough for one pipe - if you take a standard 50cc wall thickness of 3 mm - 180 rubles per meter - 44 million km of pipes for 8 trillion can be bought, it remains only to find out how many km of gas pipes we need for all of our settlements are located on an area of ​​17 million square kilometers of Russia.
                1. boss
                  boss 16 December 2019 11: 13
                  +1
                  Sorry, I didn’t understand that you counted the production, cultivation and training of new workers and gas station controllers.
                  the main thing is not to multiply them by the area of ​​Russia in square meters, otherwise it will work out more.)
                  When calculating, please take into account the% of already gasified households, and more than 60% of them, please subtract inaccessible and mountainous settlements, into which it makes no sense to pull a branch.
                  In addition, please take into account that on average a little less than 4 people use one household.
                  and most importantly, finally, understand that the yard is the end of the second decade of the 21st century, and often, to provide gas to subscribers, there is no need to run highways.
                  There is LNG technology, which is often economically viable for gasification of remote settlements.
                  I sincerely hope that the constructed LNG is not only for supplying foreign partners, but a part of the liquefied gas will also go to the domestic consumer
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 16 December 2019 21: 18
                    0
                    There are 157000 settlements in Russia - roughly 60000 are not gasified. And most importantly, finally, understand that the yard is the end of the second decade of the 21st century, and often, to provide gas to subscribers, there is no need to run mains. There is LNG technology - And you understand that for gas liquefaction it will be necessary to build stations all over Russia and buy the appropriate equipment that is not cheap to build hundreds of thousands of kilometers of roads so that LNG trucks reach the settlements, the cost of this gas will include logistics costs: transport tax, fuel, maintenance of equipment, the tax on heavy trucks Plato and much more - and the hell out of the gas infrastructure in the settlements will have to build the same compressor stations, the wiring counters of the diagnostic and control system, gas storages and installations for receiving LNG - in this scenario, LNG in Russia for the end consumer it will be several times more expensive than the main one. And I must disappoint you: Baltic LNG, Yamal LNG, Arctic LNG, Sakhalin LNG - the plants' capacities are directed exclusively to export supplies to the Asian and European markets.
                2. dirk182
                  dirk182 17 December 2019 17: 03
                  0
                  Vadim, there are not so many residential settlements left, thanks to you know to whom. The villages are dying out. But there were villages in which people live! And why, at least, the largest of them do not provide gas. Take the same Smolensk region. Paradox! People are drowning with firewood. And next to them in Belarus is gas. So you explain to these people for prices, pipes and so on. They see that Belarusians are taken care of and this is more important than any pseudo-economic arguments. You have to love your people, not have! Only in this way can one get a return from it.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 19 December 2019 23: 38
                    0
                    Not so much, thanks to: revolution, food surplus, civil war, dispossession, collectivization, famine, industrialization, repression, the great patriotic, Nikita Khrushchev, subsequent urbanization - and you thought Putin was to blame?
            7. kupitman
              kupitman 16 December 2019 17: 25
              -1
              Well, okay, I understand that now the capitalists and officials together with them are tearing people off and stuff like that. But you tell me, therefore, the People’s Party did not gasify these NPs that are not gasified now?
            8. at84432384
              at84432384 16 December 2019 21: 01
              +1
              Firstly, gas is not only piped, but also liquefied. The second is more expensive, but cheaper and more convenient than firewood or coal. Secondly, subsidizing your population is one of the tasks of the welfare state. And in our country, oligarchs and "partner" countries are subsidized.
          3. NEXUS
            NEXUS 15 December 2019 19: 04
            +13
            Quote: 210ox
            And patriotism and profit are mutually exclusive things.

            And here the question arises: where did we get such puppy joy from the fact that our bowels are nationwide? The simple question is, what exactly will a simple citizen of the state get from this?
            Some rich people try to plant half of the world on a gas pipe, while others are not very happy about this, since they have opposite interests. The problem book asks, where in this equation are simple people?
            1. at84432384
              at84432384 16 December 2019 21: 14
              +2
              How is it where ?! Gas prices for households are expected to rise next year. Someone should cover the losses of Gazprom from the activities of "effective managers"? As always, income is privatized, losses are nationalized. We will soon find out how many lards will be written out by the Board of Directors of this "property" as a New Year's gift.
              1. dirk182
                dirk182 17 December 2019 17: 06
                0
                yes, yes .... and something with all kinds of gas analyzers there suspiciously subsided, this is not good. Gazprom is now specifically hit. They will look for emergency ways to replenish assets.
          4. asv363
            asv363 15 December 2019 19: 46
            +1
            Dmitry, this is a question of the maximum throughput of all pipelines bypassing Ukraine. Last year, PJSC Gazprom supplied the EU with 218-219 billion cubic meters. gas, of which about 202 billion cubic meters. through pipelines. The total throughput capacity of SP1 + SP2 + Turkish Stream (one line) = 55 + 55 + 15,75 = 125,75 billion cubic meters. In addition, there is transit through Belarus, but I have not come across a figure in Gazprom's reports. In September there was an offer to Ukraine 60 for a period of a year, but they refused, now they are talking about smaller volumes of transit.
            1. NKT
              NKT 15 December 2019 22: 03
              +1
              Through Belarus about 32 billion m3. The Turks last year in the Blue Stream had about 8 billion m3 freely, there is a jumper to the Turkish stream, and this volume can also be used for Europe.
              1. asv363
                asv363 15 December 2019 22: 27
                +2
                Thank! It turns out a fork from 157,75 to 165,75 billion cubic meters. bypassing. Given that the technological maximum pumping for SP1 and SP2 is somewhere between 58-60, Ukraine does not shine more than 30.
            2. Nick
              Nick 16 December 2019 01: 25
              +1
              Quote: asv363
              Last year, PJSC Gazprom supplied the EU with 218-219 billion cubic meters. gas, of which about 202 billion cubic meters. through pipelines. The total throughput capacity of SP1 + SP2 + Turkish Stream (one line) = 55 + 55 + 15,75 = 125,75 billion cubic meters. In addition, there is a transit through Belarus, but I did not see a figure in Gazprom's reports

              The maximum capacity of the gas pipeline through Belarus is about 35 billion cubic meters per year. With this in mind, about 160 billion cubic meters are accumulating. a year past Ukraine. Therefore, the gas transportation system of Ukraine may well count on at least 40 billion cubic meters of annual transit. The question is what transit conditions Ukraine will offer.
        2. Rzzz
          Rzzz 15 December 2019 17: 43
          +19
          Quote: carstorm 11
          gasification of all is a matter of the distant future.

          The ruling circles approached the issue from a different angle. They decided to reduce the number of these "everyone" to make it easier.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 15 December 2019 17: 48
            0
            for sure. and reptilians have taken over the world.
        3. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 15 December 2019 18: 43
          +9
          So far, gasification has been difficult even in places with mass development, and where private houses are located, the authorities generally do not want to do anything, even in big cities. I live in Vladivostok in the former village of Trudovoe, now it is part of Vladivostok, so all the improvements are only where there are high-rise buildings, a small plot with private houses and one-story houses of Soviet construction, is not at all landscaped. There is nothing but electricity, cellular communication does not work well, there is no asphalt on the roadway, there are not even lamps on poles, it’s dark in the evenings, you have to use a flashlight.
      2. Fantazer911
        Fantazer911 15 December 2019 18: 35
        +7
        Do you have all the figmen gas-fired? Or in Ukraine, only those sitting at the helm can control gas and strangle the population legally, robbing people, driving them into poverty and making zombies, such as lacey underwear and you are in Europe?
        Before you spit in the well, think about whether you will have to drink water from it later? what
      3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 15 December 2019 18: 45
        -4
        I remember, I remember - "what this buffoon PZh brought the planet to, absolutely guys sat on the chatlan's necks, and they don't give gas to the villages, everyone is on the barricades" wink
    2. svp67
      svp67 15 December 2019 16: 49
      +21
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      When is there "gop" to say? .. ...

      January 1, 2020, and the fact that you are in a hurry to say "gop" ... or better on May 1, 2020. If the winter turns out to be not cold, then the reserves in underground storage facilities in Europe and the gas supplied through the same Belarus will be enough
      The marine part is very dependent on the weather, while there were storms, the laying was slow, now it is quieter and the speed has increased, but you have to be realistic, if now two or three very powerful ships are laying, then from the moment the sanctions are imposed, it will be possible to do only one medium power vessel. But this is not even the point; the onshore part is not yet ready for reception; the onshore pipelines that are supposed to connect the SP-2 with the common gas system are still not fully rebuilt.
    3. maden.usmanow
      maden.usmanow 15 December 2019 16: 51
      -30
      Wait, it will soon become clear that American liquefied gas is not at all so expensive.
      It will be like with shale oil.
      First we laugh, then we realize that we managed it.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 15 December 2019 17: 27
        +15
        Quote: maden.usmanow
        It will be like with shale oil.

        And what about this oil, enlighten us?
        1. Nick
          Nick 16 December 2019 01: 31
          +1
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: maden.usmanow
          It will be like with shale oil.

          And what about this oil, enlighten us?

          The production is blown away. High production costs in most oil and gas fields. If oil prices rise by at least $ 10 then production will stabilize, and some growth may be outlined.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 16 December 2019 19: 40
            +1
            Quote: Nick
            The production is blown away. High production costs in most oil and gas fields.

            Exactly. Oil may exist, but it will never become cheaper than ordinary oil.
      2. major147
        major147 15 December 2019 17: 35
        +1
        Quote: maden.usmanow
        It will be like with shale oil.

        And what is the cost of producing shale oil, and why did not you think about the world price of oil at around $ 60?
      3. ccsr
        ccsr 15 December 2019 17: 48
        +6
        Quote: maden.usmanow
        Wait, it will soon become clear that American liquefied gas is not at all so expensive.

        And what can we expect - we are already trading in liquefied gas in Europe, so we partially compensate for the delay in the gas pipeline by supplying our liquefied gas, and even with dumping prices. Yes, it may turn out to be more valuable to us in the end, but these are the rules of competition, and once we get involved in this, we must be prepared for additional costs.
        Quote: maden.usmanow
        First we laugh, then we realize that we managed it.

        I think that you are panicking early, so far no one has done it, and delays in such a complex project, taking into account the opposition of the West, are not something out of the ordinary.
      4. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 15 December 2019 17: 55
        +11
        what about shale oil? reports look how many earners have already gone bankrupt in the usa and then voiced this topic ...
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 15 December 2019 21: 46
          +4
          Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
          how many miners have already gone bankrupt in the usa

          And how many seem to be ahead - The Wall Street Journal in August - for the remainder of 2019, shale workers need to pay off $ 9 billion, and between 2020 and 2022. - a whopping $ 137 billion. And according to the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis (IEEFA), the total loss of 38 shale companies in July-September 2019 amounted to $ 1,26 billion.
      5. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 December 2019 17: 56
        +1
        Time will pass and this cheap American LNG of yours will fly up to 500 or more dollars per 1000 cubic meters.
      6. at84432384
        at84432384 16 December 2019 21: 20
        0
        Why should he be dear? The Americans contract gas from Novatek and resell it to Europe. At the same time, they do not strain at all and do not invest any money in the Arctic. Simple office manipulation makes money on gas produced in Russia.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 December 2019 01: 19
          0
          The standard scheme, you add customers to your services or the product becomes a monopolist and when the customer base is sufficiently formed, and there are almost no competitors, you begin to increase prices step by step - the guys from your services and products will not go anywhere the infrastructure is built everything is in place, no one will refuse to profit will not be.
          1. at84432384
            at84432384 17 December 2019 16: 44
            -1
            There is an oversupply of liquefied gas in the world market. Australia in general, due to losses, is curtailing its production. Prices are falling. There is no longer any talk of monopoly. Monopolies "reign" only in Russia. Let's hope so far.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 December 2019 17: 08
              -1
              A surplus of goods - this is the directed destruction of weak competitors. Ultimately, the United States and Russia will remain as two monopolists in the global LNG market.
              1. at84432384
                at84432384 17 December 2019 20: 06
                0
                It is unlikely. Now the world has started a serious run-up on hydrocarbons, and hydrogen energy has come to be regarded as the most promising. Japan generally considers it as a national project. The Greens will be powerless here. There are already experimental installations. It's a question of time.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 19 December 2019 23: 41
                  -1
                  Hydrogen energy - LNG, ordinary gas, oil and nuclear power plants will never be replaced, in other words, they will not be replaced by SES and windmills.
                  1. at84432384
                    at84432384 20 December 2019 17: 33
                    -1
                    You should never say never. This is common logic. There was a time when man only walked on earth and NEVER flew, NEVER was in space, and so on.
    4. knn54
      knn54 15 December 2019 17: 03
      +4
      There is Yamal LNG.
      The calculations are https: //ukraineworld.info/ru/politika/bolshaya-gazovaya-voyna-2020-goda-interesnye-cifry-s-yamala.
    5. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 15 December 2019 17: 13
      +14
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      When is there "gop" to say? .. ...

      The network has a styling map from Vladimir Emelyanenkov with a direct transition to the traffic control. Nightly updates are expected. Now I took a screenshot. Pioneering Spirit laid 50% of the pipe. Solitaire goes after him.
      https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1_o56gFxwdAzg_B6Lv0eXA_5_JgGvlQ9j&ll=55.36222212507931%2C14.454571808843752&z=8
      1. Eug
        Eug 15 December 2019 17: 42
        -3
        I have one such association - the aforementioned Solitair - is it a tapeworm?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 15 December 2019 17: 52
          +3
          Quote: Eug
          I have one such association - the aforementioned Solitair - is it a tapeworm?

          And what do you associate "solitaire" with? These are not only worms, but also diamonds.
        2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 15 December 2019 17: 57
          +4
          Solitaire (fr.) - lonely. By the way, the Pioneering Spirit was originally supposed to be called Pieter Schelte, in honor of the father of the owner of Allseas, Edward Heerem. However, due to the outbreak of the scandal over the Nazi past of Peter Shelte, his son had to abandon his plans to perpetuate the memory of his father and call the vessel a different, neutral name.
        3. Avior
          Avior 15 December 2019 17: 57
          +4
          So in the States called solitaire
          Patience (Europe), or solitaire (US / Canada), is a genre of card games that can be played by a single player.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 15 December 2019 19: 46
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            So in the States called solitaire

            This word has several meanings:
            Tapeworm (from fr. Le solitaire - lonely):
            Solitaire - Solitaire Card Game Free Cell.
            Solitaire - a game with chips.
            Tapeworm is a tapeworm, such as a bull tapeworm.
            Solitaire - a large diamond, set separately in the jewelry, without other stones.
            Tapeworm - single planting
        4. Nick
          Nick 16 December 2019 01: 35
          0
          Quote: Eug
          I have one such association - the aforementioned Solitair - is it a tapeworm?

          Do not confuse the Elder with the saliter. hi
    6. major147
      major147 15 December 2019 17: 31
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      When is there "gop" to say? .. ...

      Why is there "gop"? The offshore section of 100 km will be completed in (+ -) 20 days at the rate of 5 km / day, and the onshore infrastructure will not be ready, so it was said earlier about launching SP2 in half a year. But I put +
    7. Oleg123219307
      Oleg123219307 15 December 2019 17: 38
      +2
      It seems to me that they will block the transit anyway. After the Siberian Forces were commissioned, and most importantly, advance payments from China, we are not so dependent on momentary market conditions.
      1. major147
        major147 15 December 2019 17: 48
        -2
        Quote: oleg123219307
        It seems to me that they will block the transit anyway.

        I think it will be different. The West presses on Russia, demanding the continuation of ukrotransit and take off will have to be reckoned with. It seems to me that Gazprom will not give up the "awarded" billions, and for this it will transport gas across the outskirts for five (+/-) years in a volume covering the break-even operation of the ukrogaz pipeline, and, accordingly, at reasonable prices for pumping.
        1. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 15 December 2019 17: 56
          -1
          reasonable price?)))) yourself that is not funny?
          1. major147
            major147 15 December 2019 18: 01
            0
            Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
            reasonable price?)))) yourself that is not funny?

            No. And you propose to "slobber" them 3 billion at the behest of Stockholm?
            1. Xenofont
              Xenofont 15 December 2019 18: 29
              +2
              Gazprom will slobber anyway. There is no other outcome here, thanks to the highly paid lawyers of the "national treasure". And they will never withdraw their claims; they will shit while they are alive.
              1. major147
                major147 15 December 2019 18: 32
                +4
                Quote: Xenofont
                crap will be alive.

                This statement is beyond doubt, but with a billion options. We will see. Soon.
            2. Nick
              Nick 16 December 2019 01: 43
              +1
              Quote: major147
              Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
              reasonable price?)))) yourself that is not funny?

              No. And you propose to "slobber" them 3 billion at the behest of Stockholm?

              At the time of signing, Russia agreed to the jurisdiction of the Stockholm court. So we will execute its decisions. Another thing is that Stockholm itself was discredited by its arch-prejudiced decision. I think that now his customers are greatly reduced, and this is money. It is unlikely that Ruin will fully compensate them for all the lost income.
              1. major147
                major147 16 December 2019 10: 52
                +1
                Quote: Nick
                Stockholm itself has been discredited by its arch-prejudiced decision.

                It is yes, but! What will the outskirts choose?
                Option 1 - get "Stockholm" money and always lose the opportunity making money in transit;
                Option 2 - refuse the claim, but win more in transit;
                1. Nick
                  Nick 16 December 2019 13: 11
                  0
                  Quote: major147
                  Quote: Nick
                  Stockholm itself has been discredited by its arch-prejudiced decision.

                  It is yes, but! What will the outskirts choose?
                  Option 1 - get "Stockholm" money and always lose the opportunity making money in transit;
                  Option 2 - refuse the claim, but win more in transit;

                  The outskirts, IMHO, will not be left without transit at all. The volume of pipeline gas supplies from Russia to Europe has already exceeded 200 billion cubic meters. The capacity of all hydraulic structures bypassing Ukraine is not enough to pump such volumes. Therefore, Ukraine can count on 20-40 lard cubes if demand for Russian gas continues to grow. Of course, this is not 100 billion cubic meters, as it was before, but still there will be enough for the maintenance of the Ukrainian GTS, and there will still be something left in the budget.
                  1. major147
                    major147 16 December 2019 20: 40
                    +1
                    Quote: Nick
                    The volume of pipeline gas supplies from Russia to Europe has already exceeded 200 billion cubic meters.

                    The volumes of transit of Russian gas through the gas transportation system of Ukraine in 2015 and 2016 are 67,1 billion cubic meters.
                    In 2017, the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine almost reached 94 billion cubic meters.
                    In 2018, 93,5 billion cubic meters were transported through Ukraine
                    In 2019, the volume of gas pumped through Ukraine amounted, according to some estimates, from 80 to 90 billion cubic meters of gas.
                    So through the outskirts until the volume up to a hundred "does not finish".
                    Turkish "streams" - 2 pcs. = 31,5 billion cubic meters / cubic meter in year;
                    SP - 2 pcs. = 55 billion cubic meters. in year;
                    Total: 86.5 billion cubic meters. in year;
                    And what remains for them?
        2. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 15 December 2019 18: 20
          +1
          Wait and see...
        3. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 15 December 2019 19: 14
          +3
          Quote: major147
          I think it will be different. West presses on Russia, demanding continuation of ukrotransit and take off you have to reckon.

          There is no strength to listen to all this twenty-year debate. In Russian, I was urged to listen to what is considered to be Ukrainian transit, the decision of Denmark, the American sanctions, the German Siemens, the French Mistrals, Japan, China, the presence of bandits and obscure military formations in Syria, weather conditions, WADA and IOC, with overlapping CCM ...
          When will this government in Russia reckon with its own people? For me, let the whole of Europe freeze like icicles to the toilet bowls ... Let all the millions of neighbors "let the winds" into this gas pipe ... Beat the drum ...
          It is disgusting that when people living for a long time in one country, who have seen more than one ruler, say that it will be so - they point out the reasons and facts, the wave of these haters is going to shit ...
          In our case, what's next? Will gas go to Europe on January 1, 2020 via the SP-2 pipe?
          Gazprom became not the property of Russia, but its third misfortune, through which Russia raked the shameful agreements, fines and humiliation of the true owners of the subsoil ...
          1. major147
            major147 16 December 2019 00: 37
            0
            Quote: ROSS 42
            There is no strength to listen to all this twenty-year debate. In Russian, I was urged to listen,

            Then you live in the forest .... In the meantime, you live among people, you reckon with their opinion. I will not give examples. And then spit on the neighbors, live for your pleasure ....
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 16 December 2019 05: 26
              +2
              Quote: major147
              Then you live in the forest .... In the meantime, you live among people, You reckon with their opinion.

              It’s not for you to tell me where to live. I lived in the forest, in the semi-desert, and in the tundra, but I had the habit of listening to the opinions of people who are not just sick, but at least know how to do something with their own hands.
              DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
              But to your opinion, or the opinion of the same loafer-official, who is seated in a position he has inherited by nepotism, I will not listen. Let them first deserve the right to be called people. And with edros I won’t hug and I won’t give them a hand. I did not go to a meeting with Putin at one time, which drove people who allegedly supported him and people close to me, like the veteran who did not embrace him:
              1. major147
                major147 16 December 2019 10: 59
                -1
                Quote: ROSS 42
                DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

                Yes, I understand. And there’s nothing to yell at! And you don’t have to listen to my opinion, especially since I don’t give a damn about your opinion with such an attitude! And for the fact that you refused to go to meet with Putin, you will receive a medal from the State Department lol
                1. dirk182
                  dirk182 17 December 2019 19: 38
                  0
                  there will be a medal from the State Department
                  SovDep, State Department. Why is this all?
            2. dirk182
              dirk182 17 December 2019 17: 15
              0
              You are somehow out of topic. In the previous commentary, the main thought: "When will this government in Russia reckon with its own people?" And you mean the forest.
              1. major147
                major147 17 December 2019 18: 55
                0
                Quote: dirk182
                When will this power in Russia reckon with its own people?

                And when did any power reckon with the people?
                1. dirk182
                  dirk182 17 December 2019 19: 41
                  0
                  Until you respect yourself
                  "What" and "when" does not interest. We still have ours.
                  1. major147
                    major147 17 December 2019 21: 16
                    0
                    Quote: dirk182
                    Until you respect yourself
                    "What" and "when" does not interest. We still have ours.

                    Not when it was not and when it will not be. I think so .... Leave the illusions.
                    1. dirk182
                      dirk182 18 December 2019 04: 12
                      0
                      Sorry, but according to your answers you seem to be in prostration.
                      1. major147
                        major147 18 December 2019 07: 34
                        0
                        Quote: dirk182
                        Sorry, but according to your answers you seem to be in prostration.

                        You know better about prostration.
                      2. dirk182
                        dirk182 18 December 2019 08: 24
                        0
                        take care of yourself
                      3. major147
                        major147 18 December 2019 09: 54
                        0
                        Quote: dirk182
                        take care of yourself

                        Thank you, mutually.
      2. eklmn
        eklmn 15 December 2019 18: 37
        -15
        “... After the commissioning of the Power of Siberia, and most importantly advance payments from China, we are not so dependent on momentary market conditions.”
        About the Power of Siberia ..
        “Not everything is good with the Power of Siberia going to China. In November, an excess of supply appeared on the domestic market of China. According to forecasts of local corporations, in the next two years it will be at the level of 9-10 billion cubic meters. The volume of gas deliveries through the Power of Siberia should begin with 5 billion cubic meters. This is not much, but even so much China may not be necessary. The Russian authorities, however, are discussing the second route to China - the Power of Siberia-2, which Kazakhstan even wants to connect to. But it is unlikely that a new buyer will change the situation. Firstly, Kazakhstan needs to supply only one region with gas, and secondly, he himself wants to become a competitor to Russia in the Chinese gas market. ”
        About transit through Ukraine ..
        “Meanwhile, European laws confronted the Russian monopolist with the fact: without Ukrainian transit, it would not be possible to fulfill the existing contracts with the EU. If the “Nordic” and “Turkish” flows help, it’s far from immediately, but something needs to be done with the supplies right now, because the current agreement with Ukraine expires on December 31. In case of problems, only Gazprom will be to blame this time, since Ukraine follows the letter of European laws and regulations. ”
        But that is not all. According to European laws, one operator cannot own both a pipe and gas - just one. Up to 45% of the gas in the pipe should be from other suppliers who are not affiliated with Gazprom in any way. If Gazprom does not allow pumping gas from Kazakhstan, then the supply volume will decrease by exactly 45%.
        “Nor will Nord Stream-2 help, which, judging by the latest data, will work only in mid-2020. They promised to complete its onshore continuation - the EUGAL gas pipeline by January, but there is no talk that he can technically replace the gas volume with OPAL. Moreover, the EU has tightened the conditions, and now the requirements of an independent gas pipeline operator apply to pipes coming from third countries. First of all, it concerns the Nord Stream-2.
        Orig. articles
        "Ukraine has driven Gazprom into a corner. Russia risks losing billions"
        https://lenta.ru/articles/2019/12/10/finish_badly/
        1. Xenofont
          Xenofont 15 December 2019 19: 20
          +2
          Loud headlines like "... cornered ..." are designed for boobies and embittered characters who do not want to understand anything. The reasoning there is simple: you hit it and dot-ah-ah-ah! It's funny.
          1. eklmn
            eklmn 15 December 2019 23: 44
            -2
            And this argument is “designed for boobies”? And where are the facts that are not true? Sands and he promises to "check info" ...
            There’s no need to brag about noodles on your ears ...
          2. major147
            major147 16 December 2019 00: 40
            +1
            Quote: Xenofont
            The argument there is simple: you hit and dot-a-ah-ah! It’s ridiculous.

            good
          3. dirk182
            dirk182 17 December 2019 17: 24
            0
            Embittered, living on a minimum wage
        2. Nick
          Nick 16 December 2019 01: 59
          0
          Quote: eklmn
          “Not everything is good with the Power of Siberia going to China. In November, an excess of supply appeared on the domestic market of China.

          Things are good. Gas volumes were contracted for 30 years. Or take it, or pay a penalty. Without these conditions, Gazprom would not have invested a ruble in the pipe, and the Chinese CNPC too.
          1. eklmn
            eklmn 16 December 2019 05: 02
            -2
            The contract is 30 years $ 400 billion. It turns out $ 11 billion a year. Not much.
            Only the development of the Shayanda field - 1.1 trillion rubles, the Amur Gas Processing Plant - 950 billion rubles, the construction of a gas pipeline in Russia and all together - from $ 50 billion to $ 70 billion. Money Gazprom, not China.
            China will take as much as it wants at the price of the market. With today's gas price, Gazprom will pay back the development in 50-70 years, and the money taken on credit must be repaid. Chocolate is over for him. And grandmas can only be taken from an internal consumer. So get ready guys - firewood / felling / coal ...
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 16 December 2019 12: 27
              +3
              Quote: eklmn
              the construction of a gas pipeline across the territory of Russia and all together - from $ 50 billion to $ 70 billion. Money Gazprom, not China.

              Is there anything that money is invested in our infrastructure, even if it partially ensures the interests of China? When you invest money in a house on your own site, do you not calculate how much the gas pipe costed, which you laid to yourself, but which passed through the territory of a neighbor, and for which you had to give permission to connect to it. And if you consider that he paid for the construction of the pipeline, then the deal is beneficial to you in all respects. It was the toad that strangled Ukrainians that they could not steal our gas, so they raised all the crap to the surface, instead of trading normally and getting their legitimate profit for gas transit. Well, what came of it, everyone already knows.
              Quote: eklmn
              . With today's gas price, Gazprom will pay for development in 50–70 years,

              This is who calculated it, given the fact that gas consumption is growing worldwide.
            2. Nick
              Nick 16 December 2019 12: 57
              -1
              Quote: eklmn
              The contract is 30 years $ 400 billion. It turns out $ 11 billion a year. Not much

              1. 13,3333 billion. $. So that I was not thick.
              2.
              Quote: eklmn
              Only development of Shayanda field - 1.1tril.rub

              I don’t know the source of your information, but the Chayandinskoye and Kovykta deposits are developed not only for China, but also for domestic consumption.
              3.
              Quote: eklmn
              Amur Gas Processing Plant - 950 billion rubles.

              You do not confuse Babel with Bebel.
              Amur Gas Processing Plant will become one of the largest natural gas processing enterprises in the world. The plant will process 42 billion cubic meters of gas per year.
              Helium production - up to 60 million cubic meters. m per year.
              Ethane production - about 2,5 million tons per year.
              Propane production - about 1 million tons per year.
              Butane production - about 500 thousand tons per year.
              The production of pentane-hexane fraction is about 200 thousand tons per year.
              That billions of dollars in incremental revenue is a plus for those Chinese four hundred billion. Read it right.
              4.
              Quote: eklmn
              China will take as much as it wants at the price of the market.

              Not as much as he wants, but by contract. For 30 years, China is obliged to take more than 1 trillion cubic meters of gas. and the gas price for China, according to experts, will range from $ 350 to $ 390 per thousand cubic meters.
              5.
              Quote: eklmn
              With today's gas price, Gazprom will pay for development in 50–70 years,

              Amur Gas Processing Plant does not need to be pushed here. For it, a separate income item, see above. That’s what Gazprom’s costs come in for, and that’s $ 32 billion. A year for 4 will pay off or almost pay off. In addition, the pipeline is designed to pump 61 billion cubic meters per year, and 38 billion cubic meters are planned to be supplied to China annually. The rest will go to domestic consumption, and this is also an additional income, which will give the pipeline a plus to the Chinese hundreds of green lard. Like this!
    8. Omskgasmyas
      Omskgasmyas 15 December 2019 17: 42
      +5
      Even 2 months ago, experts called the completion date of the SP-2 tests - May 24, 2020. It is on this day that the signing of the gas lawn acceptance certificate is scheduled
    9. vitvit123
      vitvit123 15 December 2019 17: 47
      +5
      You know, the impression is that this is news, only for some visitors to this site! and if you want to really know the news expected or not, see Gazprom quotes tomorrow ...
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 15 December 2019 18: 53
        -4
        Well, what can I say ... I remember how the Kremlin bots beat themselves in the chest with their heels, which anyway, by the end of 2019 SP-2 will be ready and Ukraine will be left without Russian gas ... Ready, yeah ... , yeah ... Now in the Russian media, the results of negotiations between Russia and Ukraine on the transit of Russian gas are shyly hushed up, and they do not advertise the fact that the "national treasure" was in complete priest at the negotiations and that it was necessary to: 1) extend the contract by 5 years for pumping gas through Ukraine, 2) had to admit a fine of 2 billion (or 3,2 billion?) euros, which Gazprom will pay to Ukraine through future gas pumping, 3) had to agree with a higher price for pumping gas .... Well, where are those patriotic Kremlin bots who have been here for several years squealing that Ukraine "is about to" will be left without gas and will freeze? ... It's more likely that the Russians will "remain" without gas and will "freeze", because Gazprom does not care about the Russian domestic market and all losses on the foreign market will be accustomed to compensated to him at the expense of the "internal market" - that is, the Russians ...
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 15 December 2019 18: 59
          0
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          The "national treasure" turned out to be in complete priest at the negotiations and that had to: 1) extend the contract for 5 years for pumping gas through Ukraine, 2) had to admit a fine of 2 billion (or 3,2 billion?) euros, which Gazprom will pay Ukraine at the expense of future gas pumping, 3) had to agree with a higher price for gas pumping ...

          Knowledge source (1-2-3) share, please yes
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 15 December 2019 20: 09
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Knowledge source (1-2-3) share

            O.B.S.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 15 December 2019 20: 37
              -1
              Quote: Dart2027
              O.B.S.

              Our American friend slid to a thick trolling? wink laughing
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                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 15 December 2019 21: 24
                  +3
                  Ahem ... none of yours (1-2-3) on this link - no.

                  That is, all the same, OBS + thick trolling? wink laughing
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 15 December 2019 21: 55
                    0
                    Pussycat, and weakly another tequila at stake, that everything is exactly as the Monster wrote? wink
                    Otherwise, you will have trolling! laughing
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 15 December 2019 22: 07
                      0
                      And good evening to you. Are you trying to be rude? wink

                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      ... everything is exactly as the Monster wrote ...

                      ... maybe it will. But this is of little consequence.

                      At the moment "Monster" (by the way, the literal translation of this term from the angelic you ... will amuse you, no doubt) caught in a lie - what he wrote, no. That is not at all.

                      And the rest is somehow not even interesting request laughing
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 15 December 2019 22: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Are you trying to be rude?

                        Where? belay
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        what he wrote is not. That is not at all.

                        Sure? Give a hand for clipping? I'm not, but a liter of tequila is intuitively ready to take a chance. wink
                        For more than once I was already convinced of the difference between the information provided by our media and the real state of things.
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 15 December 2019 22: 17
                        -1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Sure?

                        Above is the link that "Monster" gave in support of what he wrote. Follow this link, read what is written there and compare with the written "Monster".

                        Perhaps then you will lose the desire to invent talented questions out of the blue.

                        I repeat - "Monster" and I spoke in very specific topic. Your attempts to inflate this topic to the size of an elephant look ... strange, IMHO.
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 16 December 2019 07: 43
                        +2
                        You are always interested in sources, not content. I ask you in essence of the issue, and you are slipping into a discussion of the link.
                      4. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 16 December 2019 07: 51
                        -2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I ask you in essence

                        No. You, as always, are talking to yourself. About something about his. You, apparently, have a rich inner world, my friend laughing

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        and you are slipping into a discussion of the link

                        Not "links", but lies that your colleague "Monster" is selling here. We discussed with him exactly this, everything else - your Wishlist and speculation.

                        Ingvar, stop flooding yes
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 16 December 2019 07: 59
                        +1
                        What is the flood? In the fact that you deliberately leave the discussion of the issue, there is a flood. The monster voiced three theses, a fine, an extension of the contract, and an increase in the price of the upgrade. Is there anything to say in content, or will you continue to troll?
                      6. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 16 December 2019 08: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The monster voiced three theses

                        Great. We look further:

                        - I asked ash, pah ... "Monster", where did he get such interesting information. Which, we note, he presents as a fait accompli.
                        - "Monster" gave a link in response, which none of his "theses" confirms.
                        - from which I concluded that "Monster" is cheeky lying. Which, you see, is very similar to the truth.

                        Then you got into the discussion, otmazyvat colleague ... a laudable desire, but -

                        You can’t wash off a black dog

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        There is something to say in content

                        I have already said repeatedly, my friend: this is a nonsense request

                        That, in fact, is all. "By content". Tie already flood yes
                2. Nick
                  Nick 16 December 2019 02: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Monster_Fat
                  https://topcor.ru/12350-gazprom-kapituliruet-kiev-poluchit-i-tranzit-i-kompensacii.html

                  Article fake.
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain 16 December 2019 18: 01
          0
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          The results of the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine on the transit of Russian gas are shyly hushed up, and the fact that the "national treasure" was in full throttle in the negotiations and that it was necessary to: 1) extend the contract for 5 years on pumping gas through Ukraine, 2) had to admit a fine of 2 billion (or 3,2 billion?) euros, which Gazprom will pay to Ukraine through future gas pumping, 3) had to agree with a higher price for gas pumping ....

          Come on, our American "Friend" throw off some references to the studio of these negotiations. where did the national heritage extend the Gas Pumping Contract or redeemed following the 3rd EU energy package of the capacity of the Ukrainian GTS? Well, wait. Only the articles of the blogger from Yekaterinburg, Sergey M., should not be referred to! Frets. And then we knock on the chest with his heel. how we find it. laughing
    10. antivirus
      antivirus 15 December 2019 18: 57
      +2
      the question is not in gas. AND IN THE BALANCE OF TRADE WITH EUROPE AND their "pribluda" - the outskirts, from such friends import substitution is necessary and other foreign trade partners, there are many ties that need to be broken.
      The US quickly imposes and lifts sanctions - if necessary, stimulate interest and favor
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 16 December 2019 12: 41
        +2
        Quote: antivirus
        the question is not in gas A BALANCE OF TRADE WITH EUROPE

        I think that the issue is not even in Europe, but in the fact that there is a "great energy war" all over the world, and gas, as the main weapon in it in the 21st century, plays a key role, since it will displace coal and oil from the composition of raw materials for thermal power plants. That is why we are now fighting on the fields of Europe, because it is much easier to stake out your opportunities in these times than it will be when other countries start to trade in gas. In the situation with Nord Stream 2, we suffered a tactical defeat in the form of a delay in commissioning, but on the whole, the strategy of the entire gas war will benefit from it, if not immediately, but in the near future. So all the dances of close-minded "specialists" are about the fact that we have lost something there only from a lack of understanding of what is behind all this.
        And behind this is our supply volumes not only to Europe, but also to other countries of the world, and if someone closely monitors the development of our fleet for transporting liquefied gas, then it will immediately be guessed that we are going to use new terminals for delivering our LNG, and this will ensure us victory in the world energy war.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 16 December 2019 18: 03
          0
          I hold different opinions - in the beginning of 14 years I asked a person from a competitor of one of the giants of the mash of the outskirts: "the government (RF) takes into account the opinion of only gas-oil, well, the maximum of pipes, but does not pay attention to our factories." WITH UKRA-MI, THEY ARE ENEMIES, TO OPEN THE MARKET ONLY WHEN THE KREMLIN'S CONDITIONS FULFILL. YES
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 16 December 2019 19: 23
            +3
            Quote: antivirus
            PROTECTIONISM IS NECESSARY IN TRADE WITH UKRA-MI, THEY ENEMIES, OPEN THE MARKET ONLY WHEN THE CONDITIONS OF THE KREMLIN FILL. YES

            I am not against such an approach, but within reasonable limits, so that they will not freeze their ears to evil. But in general, you just need to put them on the same level with all the countries of Europe, and let them get out, if they consider themselves Europeans. All the same, one should not forget that Ukraine is not the Baltic countries and they need a lot from us, which means they should be treated like we treat Germany or the USA, which we obviously are not comrades.
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 16 December 2019 21: 44
              0
              But in general, you just need to put them on the same level with all the countries of Europe, and let them get out, if they consider themselves Europeans. All the same, do not forget that Ukraine is not the Baltic countries and they need a lot from us,

              I completely agree, I’m talking about this
    11. NF68
      NF68 15 December 2019 19: 06
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Oops ... Now, of course, I'll grab the "minuses", I will even agree with them, but I would like to comment ... Especially those who happily rubbed their hands under the motto "Here we will block the transit with dill!"
      When is there "gop" to say? .. ...


      A shift of about six months gives little to the horses. As a result, all the same, Russia will launch the SP-2, and the horses will remain with an empty pipe and their eternal hohlyatky show-offs.
    12. Berkut24
      Berkut24 15 December 2019 19: 10
      +2
      Oops ... Now, of course, I'll grab the "minuses", I will even agree with them, but I would like to comment ... Especially those who happily rubbed their hands under the motto "Here we will block the transit with dill!"

      Well, and block. Gazprom did not hide the fact that it needed another 1 year of decaying transit to equalize supplies. And the fact that gas will be supplied through SP-2 with a delay of 2 months already does not solve anything. Gazprom packed all gas storages to failure and secured itself with third-party supplies - with Novatek and the possibility of outbidding from spot sites. The sooner Gazprom completes completion of the SP-2, the less it will have losses and costs, and they have already laid it in its budget for 2020.
      The EU itself has stated that it will not have a gas crisis next year under any circumstances. All the trouble threatens Gazprom with costs. But I think that all the difficulties will be in the first half of the year. And Ukraine has gas only until February. And after that time, it will go to Europe for "non-reverse" gas, where not only will prices rise due to a local gas shortage, but there will be no gas for Ukraine at all, because the shortage ...
    13. orionvitt
      orionvitt 15 December 2019 19: 46
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      When is there "gop" to say ?.

      What a gop, if not "all progressive humanity", would have been built on time. Now let Germany make financial claims and "moral damage" to Denmark. And there it will accumulate for hundreds of millions.
    14. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 15 December 2019 20: 39
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Oops ... Now, of course, I'll pick up the "cons", I will even agree with them, but I would like to comment ... Especially those who happily rubbed their hands under the motto "Here we will block the transit of dill!"
      Changing the timing does not cancel the outcome of the event being implemented. Anyway, in the near foreseeable future Ukraine will lose its monopoly position on the issue of gas transit. This is inevitable.
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      When is there "gop" to say? .. ...

      In principle, it is necessary to speak after the fact, but you are losing sight of the fact that in 2019 Russia supplied gas to Europe significantly higher than the contracted volumes. This is already 0,5 gopa. In principle, in case of a negative scenario for the extension of the contract, transit can be stopped from 01.01.2020. the gas reserves in the UGS facility make it possible to do without transit from 3 to 6 months (the time required to complete the SP-2). That's another 0,25 gopa. The Ukrainian side stated that the gas supplied without extending the transit agreement will be considered "ownerless" and will be stored in the underground storage facilities of Ukraine, which in no way contributes to the preservation of transit. This is another 0,25 "gopa". So before the onset of the full "gopa" Ukraine has to try quite a bit, less than three weeks. Well, there it will already become clear that the "gop" has come, or, due to the irresistible "fraternity" of the leadership of the Russian Federation, it will hang out somewhere for some time between the New Year trees and May Day solidarities. hi
    15. eagle owl
      eagle owl 15 December 2019 20: 57
      +1
      Are you aware that a floating terminal has been standing in Kaliningrad for a long time and through it we can EASY drive Yamal to LNG to Europe? Fuck us for this pipe inadequate scumbags?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 22: 38
        -5
        Quote: Uhu
        Are you aware that a floating terminal has been standing in Kaliningrad for a long time and through it we can EASY drive Yamal to LNG to Europe? Fuck us for this pipe inadequate scumbags?

        We can’t easily. Our gas carriers shkandyvayut along the seas-oykan under the import flags, and the same Panama, with American pressure, may prohibit our gas carriers from entering the port of Kaliningrad.
        1. eagle owl
          eagle owl 15 December 2019 22: 41
          +3
          Panama? Deny? Go a gas carrier through the Northern Sea Route? Y-s-s))) Marshal Vasilevsky will then take the flag of the Cayman Islands. In addition, how do you propose legalizing this? NO
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 22: 54
            -2
            Quote: Uhu
            Panama? Deny?

            Exactly. And if we don’t obey, they will roll out such a fine to us that the Banderlog Wishlist will seem like pennies. And they can block the Panama Canal at the same time. The Liberian registry is generally located in New York. We have 80% of Sovcomflot state-owned vessels sail under foreign flags. Please mind with the arguments, otherwise I can confuse something. hi I would like to be mistaken. It is interesting what Marshal Vasilevsky would say if he knew that the flag of this under-state of Panama, which does not even have its own army, flutters over his name?
            1. eagle owl
              eagle owl 15 December 2019 23: 02
              +3
              The passage of ships through the Panama Canal under a US agreement with Britain is not in the position to ban anyone. A vessel flying the Panamanian flag does not belong to Panama - and they can impose only in their own hands, and not a fine. There are exactly zero instruments of pressure on the owner of a ship going from the Russian Federation to the Russian Federation to the USA, Panama, and other guanas, it does not even go anywhere
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 23: 18
                0
                Quote: Uhu
                There are exactly zero instruments of pressure on the owner of a ship going from the Russian Federation to the Russian Federation to the USA, Panama, and other guanas, it does not even go anywhere

                Ha, what can you say about our other vessels that pass through the canal? They will punish not a specific ship, but the whole of Russia.
                Comment on this article by Captain Filimonov from Baltic Lloyd:
                https://balt-lloyd.ru/sudohodstvo/sudohodnaja-kompanija-sovkomflot.htmal
                Of the 149 (one hundred forty-nine) Sovcomflot vessels, only the 21 vessel is flying the Russian flag, the rest are registered under the so-called “convenient flags”: Liberia - 115, Cyprus - 11 and Singapore - 2. If everything is clear with Cyprus and Singapore, then I am sure that the reader will be very interested to know about registration under the flag of Liberia. If you believe that the Liberian Register is located in African Monrovia, then you are very mistaken, as it is located in the city of New York, USA, at:

                99 Park Avenue, Suite 1830

                New York, New York 10016-1601 USA

                Phone: + 1 212 697 3434

                Fax: + 1 212 697 5655

                Email: [email protected]

                Agree that in the current political realities, keeping 115 courts of a strategically important state enterprise under the jurisdiction of, let's say frankly, a state hostile to our country, is not at all reasonable, if only because if for some foreign policy reasons the Liberian Register forbids the courts under our flag to enter the port of the Russian Federation, the Sovkomflot vessels will not be able to return to our ports.
                1. eagle owl
                  eagle owl 15 December 2019 23: 28
                  +1
                  Ha! I will say only one thing - THERE IS NO INTERNATIONAL CONTRACT ON WHICH SHIP VESSELS ON CHANNEL WILL BE PROHIBITED!
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 23: 53
                    -2
                    Quote: Uhu
                    Ha! I will say only one thing - THERE IS NO INTERNATIONAL CONTRACT ON WHICH SHIP VESSELS ON CHANNEL WILL BE PROHIBITED!

                    Your division. crying
                    You would first read Filimonov’s article. I threw the link to you. Our Gazprom Okraintsy in the shoes of the loot, and you think that the United States can not do it? And we will pay all fines, as practice shows. By the way, Marshal Vasilevsky belongs to Gazprom Fleet LLC.
                    Panama has already arrested our ships. Dry cargo ship. And the French - Kruzenshteyn and fighters at the request of the company Noga. And do not care that neither the sailors of Kruzenshtein nor the specialists of Sukhoi were engaged in the repair of the Kremlin.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 16 December 2019 12: 54
                      +2
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      . Our Gazprom Okraintsy in the shoes of the loot, and you think that the United States can not do it?

                      Given that we can shod them with money, by arresting the assets of American companies in Russia, the balance will be far from in their favor. Especially given the last couple of years, when American companies overtook Europeans in the percentage of growth in investment in Russia. So there is no need for horror stories - no one can do without gas now, and therefore all attempts to play on this are futile. As for the arrest of our courts abroad, in most cases the shipowners themselves are to blame, not the state corporations, which is why one should always be careful about the information about the detention. A relative recently reported that their fishing vessel was detained in South Korea after the repair was completed, because some on their ship was arrested by authorities with a large shipment of drugs. And who will incur losses for a simple ship at the port while the investigation is underway, except for the shipowner?
                      1. at84432384
                        at84432384 16 December 2019 22: 13
                        -2
                        To arrest American property, you need to have economic sovereignty, which Russia does not have. The Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance with puppy obedience carry out any sneeze of the IMF, which, by the way, the Russian Federation does not owe a dime! In 2014, the IMF demanded to devalue the ruble, so Nabiullina jumped out of her pantyhose and "dropped" the ruble by half! He demanded to increase the retirement age, and Putin (who had previously categorically argued that this would not happen with him) immediately signed the law. When the Americans "squeezed" the Russian embassy territories, then in response ... Putin invited the American kids to the Kremlin Christmas tree ... Until Russia gains full sovereignty, as it was with the USSR, until then we will wipe ourselves off of all lice and we will be rotten as sidorov goat.
    16. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 15 December 2019 21: 41
      0
      about 4-5 months ago, I wrote that with the speed of construction that exists and the remaining distance, by the end of the year we do not have time to launch, finish construction, then they minded me and "proved" that I was stupid and uneducated I would like those " smart "now listen
    17. vovanpain
      vovanpain 15 December 2019 22: 04
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      When is there "gop" to say?

      Oops Tell me, have you signed a gas pumping agreement? Oops Some uncles gathered in Vienna on December 13, they talked. drank wine and parted agreeing to continue to agree. Saber scabbard nice man. Gop under the tongue better. But I will please you a little Chingachguk, there will be transit, only in what volumes it is not known. So your dad in Kiev will not freeze. and in the Yaroslavl region they drown well, your mother will not freeze. hi
    18. oligofren32
      oligofren32 15 December 2019 22: 59
      -1
      cheers patriots can write / say anything. There is no sense in tightening the tap to Gazprom; it needs to fulfill its contractual obligations to supply gas to the same Moldova and Slovakia. And for these purposes, it is enough to pump 10-15 mrd3 per year through galushkin’s kaganate instead of 60-80 mrd3 in previous years.
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 16 December 2019 06: 34
        0
        Quote: oligofren32
        And for these purposes, it is enough to pump 10-15 mrd3 per year through galushkin’s kaganate instead of 60-80 mrd3 in previous years.

        That's what they are suing and dressing for now. Gazprom insists on a contract for 1 year and volumes of about 30 billion, chubaty want a contract for 60 billion and a contract for 10 years. Not yet agreed. Gazprom is not profitable for a long-term contract, all flows will work next year, but they will also drive some volumes through Khokhloma, and Khokhlov, in order to have any sense from its old pipe, needs a minimum supply of 60 billion gas. Here they are dressed up. And there will be this fortune-telling on a camomile.
  2. kjhg
    kjhg 15 December 2019 16: 45
    -25
    Q.E.D. Predictions came true. Why were all these dips needed ahead of time. Don't say gop until you jump over. Now Ukrainians can put forward absolutely any transit requirements. Again Russia divorced Putin's friends of managers. But the skin for this will be removed again from ordinary citizens of Russia.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 15 December 2019 16: 51
      +2
      Quote: kjhg
      Now Ukrainians can put forward absolutely any transit requirements

      Can’t you help? wink
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 15 December 2019 16: 54
        -14
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Can’t you help?

        Typical Putin’s KhPP, as propagandists tell tomorrow.
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    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 15 December 2019 16: 58
      +5
      can not. storage was filled for a reason. why say something about which you do not understand? where does the fuss when it was predicted and prepared for it? because of Denmark, everyone understood that they would not be in time by January 1. the start date for pipe laying there is only November 27th. Gazprom informed everyone of this immediately. more specifically, the head of the department of foreign economic activity of Gazprom in early October.
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 15 December 2019 17: 29
      +5
      Quote: kjhg
      Now Ukrainians can put forward absolutely any transit requirements.

      They could put forward anything before. The question is what they really can.
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        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 15 December 2019 18: 43
          +5
          Quote: rammjager
          the president personally offered a 25 percent discount

          Truth? Putin said readiness for negotiations on gas supplies to Ukraine at significantly reduced prices. Simply put, chatting for life.
          1. rammjager
            rammjager 15 December 2019 18: 51
            -4
            Oh, I still beg you. On all channels it was shown. "And we have gas in our apartment." No, well, in extreme cases, google you to help.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 15 December 2019 18: 55
              +3
              Quote: rammjager
              Oh, I beg you.

              Yes to health.
              Quote: rammjager
              On all channels it was shown.

              Well it was. That's just the joint venture will be completed, maybe even on the planned date, and after that all the desires of Ukraine will be of no interest to anyone.
              1. rammjager
                rammjager 15 December 2019 19: 32
                -5
                The blind man said: “We’ll see.” And, actually, I’m not for Ukraine. I just don’t understand, mere mortals, what Profit is from all these flows, the forces of Siberia, etc. As for filling the budget, the same thing. pioneers "
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 15 December 2019 20: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: rammjager
                  And, I, in fact, do not bake for Ukraine.

                  Something is imperceptible.
                  Quote: rammjager
                  I just don’t understand, to us mere mortals, what Profit from all these flows, the forces of Siberia, etc.

                  In the late USSR, there were also enough clever people who did not understand. I remember saw it.
    4. ccsr
      ccsr 15 December 2019 17: 52
      +4
      Quote: kjhg
      . Now Ukrainians can put forward absolutely any transit requirements.

      They already can’t push us anything at all - you want it so much, but in fact it was clear in the summer that their freebie was over, even if the gas pipeline bypasses Danish waters.
      Quote: kjhg
      Again Russia divorced Putin's friends of managers.

      Dream and try to explain it to Svidomo - they will applaud you. And sane people and so well understood that for forty years this pipeline will regularly bring us income, but to you this is a bone in the throat. But what Ukrainians will receive without our transit gas is of course an interesting question.
  3. awdrgy
    awdrgy 15 December 2019 16: 46
    -4
    The fewer pipes from the country, the more our children and grandchildren will remain
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 15 December 2019 17: 15
      -5
      Quote: awdrgy
      The fewer pipes from the country, the more our children and grandchildren will remain

      Did you study bad at school? wink Gas is a renewable resource. Any swamp produces it.
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 15 December 2019 17: 21
        -1
        Have a bite)
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 15 December 2019 17: 28
          -1
          Quote: awdrgy
          Have a bite)

          "Marsh gas"
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Болотный_газ
          "It practically does not differ from biogasexcept that it is spontaneous. "
          1. awdrgy
            awdrgy 15 December 2019 17: 47
            -1
            Great in Europe, few swamps? And leave ours to us and the turn will come to them although I doubt that it is more convenient eco-friendly more economical and how much will it be there at a time to heat all the houses? -Not seriously in general
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 15 December 2019 17: 59
              +1
              Quote: awdrgy
              Great in Europe, few swamps? And leave ours to us and the turn will come to them although I doubt that it is more convenient eco-friendly more economical and how much will it be there at a time to heat all the houses? -Not seriously in general

              You are well answered below. If it is not burned, it poisons the atmosphere. And in the case of accumulation above a certain concentration - he KILLS all living things.
              1. awdrgy
                awdrgy 15 December 2019 18: 11
                -1
                And therefore it is necessary to sell it? - where is the logic?
              2. awdrgy
                awdrgy 15 December 2019 18: 14
                +2
                With pleasure I would burn it in my home-for free) So to speak, for the good of society)
        2. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 15 December 2019 17: 58
          0
          and you less read manuals
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 15 December 2019 17: 40
      +6
      Quote: awdrgy
      The fewer pipes from the country, the more our children and grandchildren will remain

      There are gas hydrates, but there are other problems with them for children and grandchildren ... Scientists estimate the total volume of methane emissions on the shelf of the Russian Arctic seas at 20 million tons per year (Yamal LNG has a design capacity of 16,5 million tons). “During my 45 Arctic expeditions, this was the first time I saw a seep of such power. The emissions were so strong that the water literally boiled with methane bubbles. Even at an altitude of 20 meters above the water surface, the concentration of methane in the atmosphere was 16 parts per million. This is about ten times higher. than the planetary average "- Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Igor Semiletov.
      If only two percent of methane hidden in Arctic gas hydrate deposits is released into the atmosphere, its concentration in air will increase by two to three times and its role in the greenhouse effect will be equal to carbon dioxide, which the entire world community is now urging to fight against.
      https://ria.ru/20191208/1562066434.html
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 15 December 2019 17: 55
      +6
      Quote: awdrgy
      The fewer pipes from the country, the more our children and grandchildren will remain

      A controversial theory, given the fact that all over the world they are looking not only for renewable alternative energy sources, but also conduct fundamental work on nuclear energy. So it is still unknown how they will receive energy in 30-40 years, and whether the fate of brown coal will wait for gas.
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 15 December 2019 17: 59
        -9
        It is enough to prohibit the import of nuclear waste into Russia, and lo and behold, fundamental work on nuclear energy will somehow "stall" a little)
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 15 December 2019 18: 03
          +5
          Quote: awdrgy
          It is enough to prohibit the import of nuclear waste into Russia, and lo and behold, fundamental work on nuclear energy will somehow "stall" a little)

          Dozens of underdeveloped countries will take up the storage of nuclear waste if they build storage facilities. And nuclear waste is beneficial for ourselves for reprocessing, which is why we determine its return.
          1. awdrgy
            awdrgy 15 December 2019 18: 09
            -7
            And the flag is in the hands of "dozens of underdeveloped countries" and the recycling technology has not been worked out at the moment, although they "talk" about it a lot, the Communists also said something there) do we need?
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 15 December 2019 19: 40
              +8
              Quote: awdrgy
              "The profitability of" nuclear waste in general from the category "in the garbage can be found a lot of useful" Question do we need it?

              But you’re right - they’ll take care of recycling trash in order to extract various materials during your lifetime, because this is a free raw material, though it requires energy in the first place.
              In the meantime, here's what the nuclear waste experts write:
              What to do with spent nuclear fuel (SNF)? This is not ash from coal, you won’t fertilize potatoes with them. And here two ways arise: to bury it deeper as it is or to put it into processing. On the one hand, it is easier and cheaper to bury, but there is a problem of the effect of radiation on the ecology of our native planet Earth. On the other hand, reprocessing is more difficult, more expensive, but there are some advantages: returning uranium and plutonium (and, possibly, neptunium) back to work and reducing the amount of landfill. And in the Russian Federation, spent nuclear fuel is reprocessed. Thanks to the joint work of FSUE Mayak PA and TVEL Concern, one of the most important successes in the nuclear industry has been achieved - the closure of the nuclear fuel cycle. Uranium regenerates obtained at FSUE Mayak PA and delivered to the Concern's enterprises have been returning to the energy sector in the form of “fresh” fuel for many years. The industry plans to close the nuclear fuel cycle not only in uranium, but also in plutonium.
              Back in 1977, in the city of Ozersk, Chelyabinsk Region, a complex for SNF regeneration was commissioned at FSUE Mayak PA. (This is Ozersk).

              So your spitting on the Communists only testifies to your illiteracy - they took care of this back in 1977.
              1. awdrgy
                awdrgy 15 December 2019 19: 45
                -6
                1 And what is the scale of processing? Is it environmentally friendly and absolutely non-waste? ("Reducing the volume of buried") 2 I didn't spit at the communists, but if the country has been living under communism for 20 years, then apparently I'm in the "matrix" and just chose the wrong "pill"
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 15 December 2019 20: 17
                  +4
                  Quote: awdrgy
                  And what is the scale of processing? Is it environmentally friendly and absolutely waste-free? ("Reducing the amount of landfilled")

                  Theoretically, it is possible to recycle up to 95-98% of any waste, the whole question is the cost and effectiveness of such processing. The higher the percentage of processing, the more expensive the cost of extracting the necessary materials. Therefore, as soon as cheap energy for these processes appears, they will do it right away. And this, by the way, is one of the ways to reduce the development of natural resources - this is the future, and I believe in it.
                  1. awdrgy
                    awdrgy 15 December 2019 20: 42
                    -1
                    The key phrase "as soon as possible" And faith is generally a good thing. I also believe in it. However, as long as we have what we have and this is not good. Moreover, as soon as cheap energy appears, the question arises that there is no need to process them (after all, cheap energy is ) and therefore "the snake bit itself by the tail" - we return to the fact that their import into the country is useless and dangerous for the people (of course, except for those who make money on it)
    4. rammjager
      rammjager 15 December 2019 18: 06
      -1
      Exactly, but patriots cannot understand this.
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 15 December 2019 18: 17
        -1
        Question And whether to patriots?
        1. rammjager
          rammjager 15 December 2019 18: 20
          -1
          Yes, I missed the quotes. Guilty.
    5. Victor N
      Victor N 16 December 2019 06: 59
      -1
      Die on a chest of gold from starvation? This is masochism!
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 16 December 2019 11: 35
        -2
        In Russia, of course, there is very little land and water (especially in comparison with Europe), therefore "hunger is obviously guaranteed" This is exactly the same option about which they say "while the fat one dries, the thin one dies" (but this is in fact in a utopian scenario) " thin "will start buying food from the fat one (energy, food, etc.), ie" fat "will start to live well, and thin - bad
  4. morpogr
    morpogr 15 December 2019 16: 49
    +5
    According to the latest messages of the operator on 09.12. It remains to go 100km. So this is most likely a safety net just in case. And in the first days of January everything will work, maybe not 100%, but for sure gas will go through the pipes.
    1. maden.usmanow
      maden.usmanow 15 December 2019 16: 53
      0
      So this is only the main branch, there will still be additional threads to fail.
    2. Voyager
      Voyager 15 December 2019 16: 59
      +6
      Filling the pipe and checking all systems according to the regulations will take quite a lot of time.
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 15 December 2019 18: 39
        0
        Quote: Voyager
        checks of all systems according to regulations will take a lot of time

        Quite a lot is how much? For SP-1 it was 2,5 months: welding of the last "golden" joint of the first string of the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline took place on August 19 - the first string was launched on November 8. If we follow this schedule, we get the middle of March, when one thread is completed by January 1, which is very likely ...
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 16 December 2019 00: 07
          0
          Pretty much how much?

          Dofiga, if we are talking about the designated time frame. After all, it turns out that even if Denmark had not opposed the flow laying from the very beginning, it would have been possible to launch SP-2 by the New Year only in the best case, and that is not a fact.
          And so it was rather a reaction to the comment above, where it was suggested that even in the current conditions, SP-2 will already be able to earn in early January.
    3. krops777
      krops777 15 December 2019 17: 26
      +6
      According to the latest messages of the operator on 09.12. It remains to go 100km. So this is most likely a safety net just in case. And in the first days of January everything will work, maybe not 100%, but for sure gas will go through the pipes.


      I don’t understand some alarmists here, what to panic about, Europeans have plenty of gas in storage, SP-1 is working on the edge of LNG will help in case of a delay in the delivery of SP-2 (no fools are sitting, they have figured out all the options, even the worst-case scenario) I think that the problem is sucked .
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 15 December 2019 17: 30
        +3
        Quote: krops777
        I don’t understand here some alarmists, why panic

        They do not panic, but rejoice.
      2. Brturin
        Brturin 15 December 2019 18: 51
        0
        Quote: krops777
        I think that the problem is sucked out of the finger.

        This all resembles a recent story with the stuffing about 2,1 billion paid by Gazprom with a lot of comments. Only in the end, just as Naftogaz demanded 3 billion, so it does, and what was given back if the claims were offset? Purely formally, SP-2 will not be put into operation, it is necessary to formalize this with a margin ....
    4. major147
      major147 15 December 2019 17: 55
      0
      Quote: morpogr
      And in the first days of January everything will work, maybe not 100%, but for sure gas will go through the pipes.

      I don’t think so. First, crimping, then filling, and this is not fast. Yes, and in a hurry, not having time for January, it makes no sense.
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 December 2019 16: 55
    +2
    It’s not worth it for the sake of 55 million cubic meters of garden, or rather, to pull the gas pipeline, so, editors, please correct the figure in the article! hi
  6. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2019 17: 00
    +4
    I hope that the poods who rotate poods of Muscovites remember the words of Miller about the upcoming New Year:

    "It will be fun!" I see from the "climatic processes" taking place in the European Union that the "fun" will not be limited to one New Year ... laughing lol
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 15 December 2019 17: 27
      +2
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      I hope that the poods who rotate poods of Muscovites remember the words of Miller about the upcoming New Year:

      laughing VIENNA, December 13. / TASS /. "Negotiations between Gazprom and Naftogaz Ukrainy on gas transit in Vienna took place successfullyThe parties continue to work.Completed a meeting with Alexei Miller, agreed to continue working out options for continuing transit. It is too early to talk about an agreed option, but we are taking the most constructive position, "the executive director of the Ukrainian company, Yuriy Vitrenko, told TASS.
      If Ukraine says "successfully", then for us it means "not successful". Pun turns out
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2019 17: 50
        +5
        I understand the news that Vitrenko considers it a success, that they were not immediately sent to the south, but continue negotiations. laughing
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 15 December 2019 17: 51
          +3
          Quote: Gennady Fomkin
          I understand the news that Vitrenko considers it a success, that they were not immediately sent to the south, but continue negotiations

          do not get drunk ... wait and see. will see
      2. major147
        major147 15 December 2019 17: 59
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        If Ukraine says "successfully", then for us it means "not successful". Pun turns out

        For the outskirts, "successfully" means transit for more than a year, for us - not to pay them the "awarded" billions. So it can be "successful" for both.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 December 2019 18: 02
        0
        Passed successfully - And the contract was not signed.
    2. rammjager
      rammjager 15 December 2019 18: 14
      0
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      I hope that the poods who rotate poods of Muscovites remember the words of Miller about the upcoming New Year:

      "It will be fun!" I see from the "climatic processes" taking place in the European Union that the "fun" will not be limited to one New Year ... laughing lol

      This fun fifth year lasts laughing But Ukrainians are bastards, that there is no way to freeze. Vogue!
  7. Bullba
    Bullba 15 December 2019 17: 00
    0
    As usual, there are no proofs?
  8. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2019 17: 03
    +2
    II. Gas Zrademoga of the Day.

    Initially, this sector of the Wheel of Genotby was declared "Peremogy", according to which:

    1. Muscovites were obliged to pay tens of billions from the Stockholm arbitration.

    2. "Muscovites will not go anywhere from transit for ten years and for huge volumes." laughing
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 December 2019 17: 04
    +2
    Strange information. There are less than 100 km left. Maybe a storm?
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2019 17: 08
    0
    Kozma Prutkov
    Fable "Conductor and Tarantula."
    Heavy crew in mountains of Gishpaniya
    With the conductor went on a voyage.
    Gishpanka, sitting in it, immediately fell asleep;
    And her husband meanwhile, seeing the tarantula,
    He cried out: “Conductor, wait!
    Come quickly! Oh my god!"
    The conductor hurries to scream
    And then he drives the cattle with a broom,
    Having said: “You didn’t pay money for a place!” -
    And immediately he crushed him on the fifth.
  11. Alien From
    Alien From 15 December 2019 17: 16
    -1
    Or maybe it's a tricky move ??? ...... of our rulers .....
  12. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2019 17: 17
    +1
    The summit of the heads of state of the European Union agreed on the transition of the region to climate neutrality by 2050 ...

    At the same time, the Summit in its conclusions notes that EU countries should retain the right to determine the composition of energy sources.

    Well, that is, Europe has decided to get out of coal generation. At the same time, it was announced at the summit: residents of the European Union should prepare for the fact that much in their life will rise in price! Then the question arises:

    If the white sahibs decided to limit themselves like that, then what will happen to the serfs who joyfully grunt signed the euro association?

    All the more, what will the chubaty slaves, who allow themselves to use "dirty" totalitarian Russian coal, and, moreover, "terrorist" coal of Donbass, in energy and power generation? As I see it, this state of affairs is not only unbearable, but in the most direct way unacceptable! And this means what? This means that very soon Ukraine will have to dramatically increase the consumption of fuel that replaces coal, that is, gas! "Yes, it's just some kind of rubbish!" An increase in its own production will not help here, since according to the same statements of the climate summit, the European Union should abandon the extraction of fossil fuels, which means that the slaves will have to do it first.

    So, following the example of Energohartiya and energy packages, we are waiting for the quick adoption of various EU directives, which are obligatory primarily for slaves: Klimathartia, the first, second and third climate packages. And these legislative initiatives will be accompanied by the usual screeching:

    "And what about us?"
    1. frog
      frog 15 December 2019 18: 50
      -5
      A letter from Gazprom’s top manager contains a proposal to make gas prices the same in different regions of the country by equalizing wholesale prices for the population and industry. Now gas is more expensive for industry.

      “A phased equalization of wholesale gas prices should be ensured for subsequent sale to the population with wholesale gas prices for industrial consumers. The problem can be solved due to higher growth rates in gas prices for the population with the simultaneous introduction of targeted assistance to poor categories of consumers at the expense of the federal, regional and local budgets ”

      1. frog
        frog 15 December 2019 19: 19
        -2
        Survived. Official news is minus .....
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 15 December 2019 19: 44
          +2
          Quote: frog
          Official news is minus.

          No, buddy ...

          04 Apr 2017, 08:00 Gazprom proposed increasing gas prices for the population.

          Read more at RBC:
          https://www.rbc.ru/business/04/04/2017/58de31509a7947e31cb80ef3

          The "news" is slightly rotten, isn't it? And you brought her here ...

          So minus yours, you’ve quite earned yes
          1. frog
            frog 15 December 2019 22: 44
            0
            On December 6, 2019, in Moscow, at the Marriott Royal Aurora Hotel, the XVII International Forum Russian Gas 2019 was held. At the same time, the speech by Viktor Yatsenko, Deputy Head of Department 817 (Economic Expertise and Pricing) of Gazprom PJSC deserves special attention.

            Let’s be honest with each other and admit that this “crossroads”, when we supported the domestic market through export, will probably no longer be such a situation

            - said the top manager.

            Yakimenko emphasized that the “crisis” provokes a sharp - almost 3 times in 7 years - drop in gas prices in Europe. Moreover, the European market is the most profitable for a Russian company.

            Those prices of 400-500 dollars that we once saw are a generation after us, God forbid, they will see. This pillow is gone

            - stated Yatsenko.

            Statistics were presented according to which in the III quarter of 2019, the average selling price of a thousand cubic meters of gas in the EU countries amounted to $ 169,8 per thousand cubic meters. m. At the same time, in the II quarter gas was sold for $ 205,1 per thousand cubic meters. m, that is, 18% more expensive. In general, gas prices decreased by 32% over the year, which has not been the case since 2004, when the price was $ 137,7 per thousand cubic meters. m

            It was clarified that European prices were almost equal to the prices paid by the republics of the former USSR - $ 150,2 per thousand cubic meters. m. In turn, gas still costs Russian consumers several times cheaper - 4050 rubles, or $ 62,74 per thousand cubic meters. m

            According to the top manager, the “pillow” is disappearing, which made it possible to keep low gas prices in the domestic market. He drew attention to the fact that from 2014 to 2019, gas prices in Russia rose by 20%, while inflation was 57%, and the mineral extraction tax for Gazprom increased by 60%.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 15 December 2019 22: 59
              -1
              Quote: frog
              frog

              When you learn to give links to the source of what you are quoting, come in and talk.
          2. dirk182
            dirk182 17 December 2019 17: 33
            -1
            https://finance.rambler.ru/markets/43333244-mechty-sbyvayutsya-gazprom-udarit-po-karmanam-rossiyan/
            https://svpressa.ru/economy/article/251434/
            https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/gazprom-prizval-gotovitsya-k-okonchaniyu-epokhi-nizkikh-cen-na-gaz-v-rossii-1028746694
            and yes, golovan, you will be surprised to see RBC in many government offices in Moscow. And the fact that the news was not announced in the sponsored publications does not speak of its "fake" nature. Do not fire again. I was not joking about the RBK newspaper. Take a walk through state offices.
  13. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 17: 32
    +5
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Oops ... Now, of course, I'll grab the "minuses", I will even agree with them, but I would like to comment ... Especially those who happily rubbed their hands under the motto "Here we will block the transit with dill!"
    When is there "gop" to say? .. ...

    Get minus from me too. Ukram, we will block the transit when their pipe begins to break. Putin said, and I believe that transit will remain. Of course, the kid said, the kid will do it. Set aside transit. But he did not say HOW VOLUME. And I think that I will be free to leave just enough so that the pipe becomes completely unprofitable, which is MUCH WORTER than the complete termination of transit. Operation will become a giant suitcase without a handle. And you can’t close it yourself, and you will have to service it at your own expense.
  14. faterdom
    faterdom 15 December 2019 17: 36
    +2
    Quote: maden.usmanow
    First we laugh, then we realize that we managed

    And you, excuse me, can you not be clearer? On behalf of whom do you "laugh" and "do it"?
    And then there are as many as four sides: Russia, Ukraine, the USA and Europe. Who benefits, and which?
    To be honest, I would not call any of these parties the winner, only Russia has interesting prospects, the United States - we will see, they are stubbornly moving to the Maidan ... But Europe and Ukraine (Central Europe) may well have done it.
    I would also think about Denmark - are its passenger planes over our territory interfering with the environment? With the prospect and over the entire European Union to think ... They would, you see - thought faster.
  15. archiroll
    archiroll 15 December 2019 17: 40
    -4
    and I’m blowing my own shame - it’s a shame to rejoice at projects for the export of unprocessed raw materials ... even 300 million gasified Russians ...
    1. Gennady Fomkin
      Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2019 18: 01
      +1
      Buy in cylinders will be cheaper. wink
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 December 2019 18: 12
      +1
      Coal and firewood will be cheaper, the main thing is to insulate the house with heat-insulating materials, the consumption of firewood and coal will decrease sharply, and Russia will not have complete gasification even in the most distant future - it is damn difficult and expensive, and it will hit the wallet of consumers in view of the vast and stretched gas infrastructure which will need to be monitored and maintained.
      1. archiroll
        archiroll 15 December 2019 18: 14
        +2
        Nonsense. Siberia also apparently should not have been explored in the old days ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 December 2019 20: 31
          -5
          This is a bitter truth for you.
          1. archiroll
            archiroll 15 December 2019 21: 13
            +5
            This is professional stupidity for you ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 16 December 2019 00: 35
              -2
              Believe me, I think it’s much better than you, and it’s not the first year I have been boiling in micro and macro economies.
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    3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 15 December 2019 19: 31
      +4
      The Amur GPP is being built for these purposes, and ZapSibNefteKhim has already been built.
      1. archiroll
        archiroll 15 December 2019 21: 27
        +2
        These are good projects - I hope there will be many more, which will lead to zero export of raw materials ...
  16. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 17: 44
    +1
    Quote: maden.usmanow
    Wait, it will soon become clear that American liquefied gas is not at all so expensive.
    It will be like with shale oil.
    First we laugh, then we realize that we managed it.

    It's not about absolute values. The point is relative. In relation to the pipe, liquefied will never be cheaper.
    Shale MAY become cheaper, but only in Ukraine, when a gas shortage in it will make awesome Russia pay, and the Americans will start to produce shale gas in Ukraine. All of these banzai, both overseas and local nevermind ecology. And for those, and for these, a foreign country. They showed a movie how gas vodka escaping from a faucet, exploding and burning. If the greens at home banned barbarism, then in Ukraine there is no one to follow. Moreover, pravoseki will guard the American towers.
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  18. Svetlana
    Svetlana 15 December 2019 17: 52
    0
    What surprises me is not a shift to the right as such, it surprises me that at one time it was said that Denmark could be circumvented. Like a little more expensive and a little longer and Denmark will be out of the pipeline.
    Why didn't you go this way? Bulgaria, with the southern stream, well done, "punished". And Denmark needed to be "punished" as well. The dates have shifted anyway.
  19. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 17: 54
    -1
    Quote: Cube123
    Quote: awdrgy
    The fewer pipes from the country, the more our children and grandchildren will remain

    Did you study bad at school? wink Gas is a renewable resource. Any swamp produces it.

    Are you cho? Aren't you producing? Just like after chernushka and peas.
    But it’s not about renewability, it was strange. The fact is that you cannot collect it in all the swamps of the world for smelting pig iron in Kopeisk. And this gas, safely rising up, and in the upper layers of the stratosphere does its dirty deed. Read about the greenhouse effect. From here follows a simple thought. SAVE METHANE WITHOUT BURNING IT NOT. For, having escaped sometime and somehow from the bowels, this bastard ...... Only by burning it in power plants, we slow down the process ....
  20. Revival
    Revival 15 December 2019 17: 56
    0
    And how they fought with the heel in the chest: the options are all taken into account, Denmark is on the side, we have time for everything and so and so ... meters for months were considered ..
    And as usual ... little
    Expected
  21. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 18: 01
    -4
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Kozma Prutkov
    Fable "Conductor and Tarantula."
    Heavy crew in mountains of Gishpaniya
    With the conductor went on a voyage.
    Gishpanka, sitting in it, immediately fell asleep;
    And her husband meanwhile, seeing the tarantula,
    He cried out: “Conductor, wait!
    Come quickly! Oh my god!"
    The conductor hurries to scream
    And then he drives the cattle with a broom,
    Having said: “You didn’t pay money for a place!” -
    And immediately he crushed him on the fifth.

    So who presses whom and what in this conversation? I don’t understand. The topic seems to be about a pipe with gas ......
    Explain, dear man, I can’t sleep peacefully until I decide what to do? With a tarantula or with a gishpunk?
    1. Gennady Fomkin
      Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2019 20: 36
      0
      Having sucked out juices from the Soviet state, the Ukrainians nurtured by the CPSU, after 1991 set out not only to grow on free Russian resources, but also to aggressively bite and poison everything that reached out ... Thinking about what a short literary work the most will closely describe “Ukrainians” and its inevitable demise, in my opinion, I have found the most suitable. I hope the inquisitive reader will immediately recognize in the main character "Ukrainians" ...
  22. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 18: 09
    +1
    Quote: Revival
    And how they fought with the heel in the chest: the options are all taken into account, Denmark is on the side, we have time for everything and so and so ... meters for months were considered ..
    And as usual ... little
    Expected

    But what, it was necessary not to wait until slurry poured out from Denmark, to rush to lay a route around, and even for half a thousand kilometers more? And to give her a trump card in her hands, inspiring her her vastness in this matter? And without ruining EU unity with a gas sledgehammer? Only iron endurance, and the ability to withstand a pause, do wonders. Europe is faced with a dilemma - to buy expensive liquefied gas, the price of which the United States can not reduce at all, or crushing all those who resist - Denmark is the same, ukrozopy, pshekia, forcing it to BUILD in spite of all threats because of the lake ......
    I do not think you're right about the heel and chest. They are building a pipe. Despite the sanctions in their direction. And, as planned, with a good delay. Let the nerves vibrate among the doubters and let the resistors freeze.
  23. cniza
    cniza 15 December 2019 18: 17
    0
    Construction of Nord Stream-2 extended for winter and spring of 2020


    Distracting maneuver, finish early.
  24. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 18: 25
    +4
    Quote: arhitroll
    and I’m blowing my own shame - it’s a shame to rejoice at projects for the export of unprocessed raw materials ... even 300 million gasified Russians ...

    In order to say THOUGHT, it needs to be considered. More carefully. And, having thought it over, everyone and everyone will understand (including you) that it is impossible to gasify everything. Especially, given the low population density, and the enormous size of our thousand-fold Norway. Universal gasification will make the price for all cosmically not uplifting. To lay hundreds of thousands of kilometers of pipes at whose expense do you dream? . Including in the tundra, in a distant reindeer husbandry ... Personally, with my pension, I will simply be forced to cut myself off from the good of the present, and put the wood-burning stove again.
  25. Comrade
    Comrade 15 December 2019 18: 35
    0
    US includes sanctions against Nord Stream 2 in US military budget for 2020

    This will not help them, and they understand it.
  26. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 15 December 2019 18: 41
    +1
    That's right !!! The shock construction projects of capitalism should be commissioned by some significant date, but by the Day of the epic hero Ilya Muromets (January 1) - it did not work, but another date can be set - you never know we have "heroes" in the Government and Gazprom fellow But seriously - there is a lot of attention to this gas pipeline in propaganda, but the gas came to my house without interruptions, and it does so ... so Europe can tolerate, the more so that all "true democrats" claim that the budget The EU is large and can pay a little more for a couple of months - for American gas.
  27. svoit
    svoit 15 December 2019 18: 55
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    but these are the rules of competition

    What does it have to do with it? you just need to register a small office in the USA with 100% of Gazprom’s capital (for example) and sell LNG from it to Europe at American prices.
    Quote: wkd dvk
    that it’s impossible to gasify everything

    If it is cost-effective, then everything is possible, but if not, then it is not necessary.
  28. DPN
    DPN 15 December 2019 18: 59
    0
    Yes, small but Proud Denmark did her job to us, it is a pity Russia doesn’t know how, is too strong.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 15 December 2019 20: 14
      +2
      Quote: DPN
      Yes small but proud Denmark

      Quarreled with Germany and France. No, now they won’t do anything to her, but on occasion they can remember. Do you know the famous phrase of the Polish Foreign Minister Sikorski?
      http://www.compromat.ru/page_34692.htm
      1. DPN
        DPN 16 December 2019 00: 49
        0
        No one will do anything to her, no matter what the Polish Foreign Ministry says, she’s just a mongrel compared to Denmark.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 16 December 2019 19: 39
          0
          Quote: DPN
          Nobody will do anything to her.

          May be. And maybe they will recall on occasion.
  29. Ural resident
    Ural resident 15 December 2019 20: 10
    +5
    I remember once our President said, that from January 1, 2020, gas will not go through Ukraine, with any option, whether the Nord Stream will or not. In 2015, sort of.
    So I want to know the price of the presidential word. We are waiting, sir.
  30. evgen1221
    evgen1221 15 December 2019 20: 30
    +1
    It is possible that it was intended, in profit all but us. I will explain Denmark for (stubbornness) raped buns, Ukrainians transit (and he will), the United States bought time for the next dirty tricks (because the Danes deliberately slowed down all summer). The Germans are 50/50 (there the power can change and xs how it will be, more precisely on what terms), We are time in minus, transit to lessons in minus, money in minus on ships and rent.
    1. Odati71
      Odati71 15 December 2019 21: 11
      0
      Minus in general can be depicted on our flag. It is a pity that the supply of pluses in the country is limited.
  31. tuts
    tuts 15 December 2019 20: 41
    0
    in order to complete the construction of the gas pipeline in the coming months, operator company intends to continue work in winter-spring period of 2020.
    - What is it like ? if you finish work in 2019 then why work in 2020
  32. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 20: 50
    +1
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Having sucked out juices from the Soviet state, the Ukrainians nurtured by the CPSU, after 1991 set out not only to grow on free Russian resources, but also to aggressively bite and poison everything that reached out ... Thinking about what a short literary work the most will closely describe “Ukrainians” and its inevitable demise, in my opinion, I have found the most suitable. I hope the inquisitive reader will immediately recognize in the main character "Ukrainians" ...

    Yes. You need to have an EXTREMELY developed imagination ....
  33. xomaNN
    xomaNN 15 December 2019 20: 54
    +2
    And after that, how do you feel positively about Denmark? They stole from "SP-2" six months with their throwing. And they just didn’t have enough. I would very much like Russia to tame them in some way. At least legally, but better and "for money" hi
    1. Odati71
      Odati71 15 December 2019 21: 09
      -1
      Denmark issued a permit on October 30th. It was simple for weeks and then ... In general, without Denmark, the total lengthening of the threads by about 20 km, if planned ahead of time as part of effective management
  34. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 21: 01
    +2
    Quote: 210ox
    Energy, industry consumes mainly the issue of gas supply to the population. And this question is painful and urgent. For the distant future. And about this decision on SP2 it is quite expected. Just once again before puffing out your cheeks you need to think again. This is about the joyful exclamations about the frozen banderostan and the end of transit. And here is not the end. The national treasure will never refuse dough. And patriotism and profit are mutually exclusive things.

    You have to be a complete ignoramus and a mental freak to assert this. "Being determines consciousness." Or is this hairy devil wrong about that? Make the domestic gas price equal to the foreign price, and all gas will be distributed domestically. Profit and patriotism will become twin brothers. ... The gasman does not care where to earn the loot, as long as it is, and no less. And, in this case, it is more profitable to sell gas to your own people, for another reason. Gas will use their own. Workers working for the gas worker himself. Their factories will work. And produce products in their own country. What will make HIS workers well-fed, shod, dressed, and in good houses, which will allow them to work better and without worries, which will bring him extra ..... Another question, can we pay the same? Of course not. We earn several times less. So pay the same! They cannot. Labor productivity, product quality with us ...... It will be the same. But for this you need to have the same factories, with the same equipment ..... So why the hell to weave heresy, you don't understand the nature of things - keep quiet and read, learn.
  35. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2019 21: 03
    -1
    https://youtu.be/p64X_5GX0J8 глубины немецкого подсознания - они такие глубины.

    Clip of Ramstein filmed in a flooded Estonian prison (summary: Germany drowned in Estonia) laughing
  36. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2019 21: 16
    0
    Well fso! Lycristicism is over ... I mean, the effect of the enlargement of the EU and the prosperity of the wealth of the former USSR was worked out to dryness. Further, the European collective farm needs to do something, most likely it is hard and long to work, eat less and consume less. But the very thought of this causes disgust among the Euro-collective farmers. Phew! laughing
  37. Angrybeard
    Angrybeard 15 December 2019 21: 17
    0
    I did not understand one moment. Danish law provides an opportunity to challenge a permit. And it was protested, most likely by the ancient nation of the Sumerians. But they are building a pipe. How shoud I understand this? Can you build while you are considering?
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 15 December 2019 21: 36
      0
      Denmark may protest, not the Sumerians or anyone else.
    2. eagle owl
      eagle owl 15 December 2019 21: 49
      0

      Sumerians in their style
  38. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 21: 27
    +2
    Quote: Svetlana
    What surprises me is not a shift to the right as such, it surprises me that at one time it was said that Denmark could be circumvented. Like a little more expensive and a little longer and Denmark will be out of the pipeline.
    Why didn't you go this way? Bulgaria, with the southern stream, well done, "punished". And Denmark needed to be "punished" as well. The dates have shifted anyway.

    The task was not just to push the pipe, but to quarrel the EU, to make it a little bad. Do not fight with Denmark, do not crush it until the slurry creeps out of it, but make sure that the EESEC members themselves do it themselves. The risk is to leave Europe without gas, talking with ukrozopiya either about the continuation of transit, or about debts and lawsuits ... Nord Stream 1 is working. And our MAIN PARTNER and the unspoken ally in pipe affairs, Germany will have gas in the winter. And with the help of the Germans, we will make the rest goat face. The rest let them run to our line and change their minds. Liquid gas from the United States will always be more expensive. And, especially it will be in the case of gas overlapping through ukrozopy, when the gas becomes worth its weight in gold.
    The winner is not the one who first reaches, but the one with the restraint and trump cards. Denmark is already biting its elbows, following Bulgaria, and, hopefully, with Poland.
  39. Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 15 December 2019 21: 59
    -5
    Looking at the self-confident faces of the top officials, who would doubt that "Gazprom capitulates, and Kiev ...". Or zrada. Rather, it's even worse - all together. I had no doubt. Now the only question is who will be responsible for this?
  40. dgonni
    dgonni 15 December 2019 22: 39
    0
    All the fuss with such wild extended construction periods has nothing to do with environmental conditions. In principle, when working from two ends, it would be possible to weld a golden joint on Christmas day or as a last resort for Christmas.
    The whole question is what is the route of the gas pipeline, which are agreed by the Danes and which Gazprom requested. They pass through places where the union in 45-47 years haphazardly buried German chemical weapons! Therefore, the pipe layer and can not go its normal course 4 km per day. We need a deep start reconnaissance and clearance of the gas pipeline.
    Given the winter conditions and frequent storms, it is possible that they won’t run until the summer. Especially if the same chemical shells and bombs turn out to be on the laying route.
  41. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 23: 12
    +4
    Quote: Vadim237
    You have tens of trillions of rubles to gasify several tens of thousands of settlements in each of which 30 to 1000 houses are m and each of which is tens and hundreds of kilometers from gas pipelines - Russia has no money for this in the next 20 years will not be.

    In recent weeks, the international community has been analyzing the potential impact of possible retaliatory Russian sanctions. Many analysts drew attention to Russia's great dependence on gas and oil revenues. According to the head of the Estonian Renewable Energy Chamber, Rene Tammista, the search for alternatives to Russian gas is a matter of political will.

    Sweden manages virtually no natural gas, writes Tammist. Moreover, this country does not have the infrastructure necessary for the distribution of natural gas throughout the country, and only a few settlements and enterprises in the south of this state consume natural gas exported from Denmark. What can we learn from Sweden in the current difficult security situation? The fact that you can provide yourself with inexpensive energy without natural gas.

    The current situation in Sweden was not a gift from heaven. Sweden marked the beginning of fundamental changes in the energy sector about 40 years ago, after the oil crisis. The reason was the fact that the Swedish economy was heavily dependent on imported fossil fuels, and was thus extremely vulnerable to fluctuations in energy prices in the world market.

    The new approach relied on three pillars: the large-scale construction of heating networks along with cogeneration stations, ambitious energy saving standards, and the powerful development of renewable energy. Today, oil products account for 22%, and natural gas 3% of Sweden’s primary energy consumption, and the share of “black energy” is the smallest among all 28 member countries of the International Energy Agency. At the same time, due to heavy industry, energy consumption per capita in Sweden is one of the highest.

    So, not only Russia, but also, Ukraine looks against the background of Sweden MUCH .....
  42. eagle owl
    eagle owl 15 December 2019 23: 13
    0
    Monica Selyansky teaches NG a new rhyme for Santa Claus:
    And our fire went out - this time!
    The truck brought firewood - that's two!
  43. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 23: 24
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
    Looking at the self-confident faces of the top officials, who would doubt that "Gazprom capitulates, and Kiev ...". Or zrada. Rather, it's even worse - all together. I had no doubt. Now the only question is who will be responsible for this?

    Sometimes you want to ask some- What did you want, a disease?
  44. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 23: 30
    +1
    Quote: cniza
    Construction of Nord Stream-2 extended for winter and spring of 2020


    Distracting maneuver, finish early.

    Nope. A club for one who is slow and sabotage. Fear of freezing and stopping production due to the termination of transit will lead to more affectionate behavior. No one makes surprises in the economy. Before .... And no one will pay. Over-planned production there is a disaster. Keep, get the money ahead of schedule ....
  45. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 23: 42
    +5
    Quote: xomaNN
    And after that, how do you feel positively about Denmark? They stole from "SP-2" six months with their throwing. And they just didn’t have enough. I would very much like Russia to tame them in some way. At least legally, but better and "for money" hi

    The benefits of this are incomparably greater than the losses. Now they look at Denmark as a prostitute. After all, the money of the Germans and other Europeans was spent, and there will be no gas in the expected time. Built infrastructure. ready to take gas by land, distribution. This, after all, is not in our USSR, then they built a factory for 10-15 years. Funds were frozen. Can you, without borrowing money from a bank, pay interest? Give it a try. Put on the counter, come and turn on the iron. Financial discipline in the world is the most severe. In some cases, abruptly than a criminal.
    They took the money, paid for the pipe and pumps, and the devil knows when it will go. And with ukrozopiya another conversation. After all, it is them, it turns out, the culprits of this disaster.
    Think about it. And, most likely, change your mind. I thank both the Danes lying under the penguins. They put a lot of brains into place.
  46. eagle owl
    eagle owl 15 December 2019 23: 46
    +3
    And we have gas in our apartment! And you?
    - And we have a gas pipeline! Here.
    - And here, my nimble pretzel,
    There is one magic gate.
    If you screw the valve, you will begin to walk in boots.
    And the neighbors from Europe, under the gravelly tributaries, shout: Vova, we are tired! March * fuck the piano!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 16 December 2019 00: 02
      +1
      Quote: Uhu
      And here, my nimble pretzel,
      There is one magic ...

      ... pendell. A plus.
  47. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 23: 53
    +1
    Quote: Uhu
    And we have gas in our apartment! And you?
    - And we have a gas pipeline! Here.
    - And here, my nimble pretzel,
    There is one magic gate.
    If you screw the valve, you will begin to walk in boots.
    And the neighbors from Europe, under the gravelly tributaries, shout: Vova, we are tired! March * fuck the piano!

    I am delighted.
  48. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 16 December 2019 00: 31
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Mikhail M
    They spent gas, a faucet is standing at the house, but the connection and construction of the heating system are like firewood for 10-12 years. This is not to mention the fact that gas is also not free.

    The question always tormented: Are gas, water, electricity now any different, that the price is different in comparison with the past, and still does not stop growing? Or is it somehow mined in a different way?
    I read the branch and wonder at how many people got their brains dirty. Remember how in the Caucasian captive, you don’t confuse your personal coat with the state.
    So I look here, many just confuse the personal coat of our nouveau riche with their personal coat.
    Our bowels are formally folk, and de facto they belong to a very narrow circle of citizens, who from this have both wool, greaves and bones with cartilage on the broth. But how sideways are we all at this table, few people ask themselves the question.

    But how does your body feel once you get drunk? Forever, or is everything changing? If they struggle with rising prices in an environment of fierce competition, and in the midst of a steeply rising tax scale, when superprofits are unacceptable, then in Russia, where there is no competition, everything is driven from the Kremlin (for the main, of course, gas products , oil, metals, railway and air tickets, .... to continue for a long time), price increases are cut off by withdrawing money from circulation and storing them on the accounts of enemies. Hence the stagnation of the economy, since there is NO buyer. The enormity and comprehensiveness of the common budget. allows you to steal a LOT.
  49. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 16 December 2019 00: 35
    +2
    Quote: Vadim237
    Money from the air will not be drawn to all of this on their own - huge amounts are needed for this and the infrastructure stretched is extremely expensive to maintain, which will make the gas supplied to settlements especially distant gold. And Russia also has many other problems besides gas, which also require funds.

    Gas will not be gold at the end customer in Evenkia. It will become gold for all. Because the gas industry is nationwide.
  50. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 December 2019 04: 09
    +2
    I looked at a short documentary about the mournful affairs of medium-sized businesses in Germany using three enterprises as an example (the production of fiberglass, tankers and paints). All three are in crisis. Complain about the expensive petarism, insane bureaucracy, poor infrastructure (slow Internet).

    Due to petarism, one fiberglass manufacturing company began to purchase it in China, discontinuing its own production.



    Here are some comments:

    “Our government is just terribly bad.” The Chinese are laughing at us, building their project of world domination.

    - I pay almost 30 cents for electricity. And these pay much less and still cry.

    - The Politburo led by Merkel is killing us and the media are doing the same.

    - When I look at modern Germany, I get the feeling that we want to return to the country of workers and peasants. The youth is so left and green that you can only live as a peasant by subsistence farming without any consumption.

    “They build so many windmills.” Why are prices so high ?! You need to order materials where they are cheaper.

    - We have chosen the haters of Germany and are now paying.

    - In Germany, the most expensive and shitty electricity in the world. Thanks Energivenda. (note per.: green energy development policy)

    - Germany is dying ...

    - Socialism, a giant managerial apparatus, the oppression of free enterprise. Who invented all this? Germans! Marx and Engels, so don’t complain, but pay further. You are welcome. Seriously, West Germany was once an example for Europe, and now, hmm, go to Poland or the Czech Republic. 5% of GDP growth per year. Wherever you look, there’s a boom everywhere. And here? Nobody is coming to pick up asparagus, there are less and less nurses, it makes no sense. Germany has become a country of low earnings. Even IT people earn more in Warsaw than here ...