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In Germany, developed a new tank smoothbore gun caliber 130-mm

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In Germany, developed a new tank smoothbore gun caliber 130-mm

Prototype 130 mm smoothbore tank guns NG 130


The German Rheinmetall completed the development of the promising 130-mm smoothbore tank gun Next Generation (NG) 130, the first prototype sent to the proving ground. This was reported by the bmpd blog with reference to the journal "Jane's International Defense Review".

Rheinmetall Weapons and Ammunition (division of the German group Rheinmetall) announced the completion of the development of the 130-mm promising smooth-bore tank gun NG 130, but the design of the gun will still be amended. Rheinmetall plans to offer this gun as a potential weapon for the Next Generation Combat Vehicle (NGCV), a promising next-generation combat vehicle of the US Army.

According to published data, the 130-mm gun has a barrel length of 51 caliber (L51) and uses new high-strength steel and barrel chrome plating. Installed vertical wedge bolt and electric trigger shot. The gun has an increased chamber volume, which allows the use of an increased charge to obtain a higher initial velocity of the projectile and its armor penetration. The gun has a heat-insulating casing and a barrel bend control system.

The actual barrel length is 6,63 m, the total weight of the gun is 3 tons, including sliding mechanisms. This does not take into account the weight of the mounting elements for installation in the tower.

The first 130-mm ammunition has already been developed for the gun. According to Rheinmetall, it was an armor-piercing detachable projectile with a detachable pallet (APFSDS-T) with a semi-combustible shell, a new high-energy powder charge belonging to the category of detonation-insensitive, and a new, improved long-length tungsten armor-piercing core with increased armor penetration.
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  1. seti
    seti 15 December 2019 09: 20
    +11
    Already shown. But we also have an answer of 6 inches in stock.
    1. rufaqn
      rufaqn 15 December 2019 09: 45
      -14
      Are you talking about 152 mm? But it seems to be rifled and there is no car for it, maybe if Armata still looks like Armata, it’s still a concept, and it’s still far from the working machine if they don’t abandon this controversial project, which is quite likely judging by the slurred movements at the UVZ.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 15 December 2019 13: 44
        +2
        Well, it looks like Armata remains a concept, and the working machine is still far
        You might think Next Generation Combat Vehicle is close and generally not the fact that it will be.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 15 December 2019 10: 04
      +6
      Yeah ... And also ShZA. Capsizer Automatic. The caliber you specified, except for a larger diameter, didn’t have any more powerful explosive effects. And further OCD, if I am not mistaken, did not come out. About installation problems on the chassis, it’s generally better to remain silent.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 15 December 2019 10: 43
        +3
        Nazarii-caliber 152 mm from the military was highly appreciated! But there were fewer problems, they put the gun on the T80, the tank passed the test perfectly!
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 15 December 2019 10: 59
          +7
          Well ... What do we know about our three projects of tanks with 152 mm, created at the turn of the 90s?
          They were. Their results are recognized positive...
          And that’s all. No numbers, no data. That is, at that time, the designers coped with the task. The rest was written off for lack of money.
          Years pass. Money got better. The parade shows a new platform "Armata" with ... 125 mm!
          Why?!!!
          It was a positive 152 mm gun? !!
          That is the question ...
          1. Thrifty
            Thrifty 15 December 2019 11: 04
            -2
            Nazariy, unfortunately, is now in vogue, and the trend that has not bypassed us is not to make this or that product, but to "master the money" to the maximum! Therefore, the powers that be forgot about their promises of 2000 T14 tanks of the army, so they do not what the army needs, and then on what you can quickly "master" the means!
          2. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 15 December 2019 11: 04
            +3
            Can the economic aspect be taken into account? So far, the T-90 is selling well and the modernization of the 72s with a 125 mm gun, and let them sell longer, But as soon as the 152 mm caliber is adopted, the 125 mm will depreciate sharply and with it the T-90, etc. I think so.
          3. seti
            seti 15 December 2019 11: 29
            +9
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Well ... What do we know about our three projects of tanks with 152 mm, created at the turn of the 90s?
            They were. Their results are recognized positive...
            And that’s all. No numbers, no data. That is, at that time, the designers coped with the task. The rest was written off for lack of money.
            Years pass. Money got better. The parade shows a new platform "Armata" with ... 125 mm!
            Why?!!!
            It was a positive 152 mm gun? !!
            That is the question ...

            The 152nd gun is currently redundant in its characteristics. Why put a more powerful one if the 125 mm does its job perfectly and also surpasses all its opponents, including the 120 mm standard NATO cannon? Indeed, in addition to the smaller mass and dimensions, 125 mm has a larger transportable ammunition. There will be a serious war. I’m sure that if the military wants to, some of the tanks, including the T-14 and T-90M, can be converted to a 152 mm gun. Their large production can be established very quickly. But again, there is no need yet.
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 15 December 2019 11: 49
              +2
              You are a contradiction to yourself. The excess power could be calculated theoretically, the maximum worked out at the polygon stands. But they tried to create as many as 3 (!) Prototypes from different plants and then everything died out. Conclusion, there are problems of a technical nature.
              Examples of these solutions are in our history. Gun SPM. When they demanded that b both on planes, and on tanks and as a howitzer. Done. But not comfortable. Inductions on different sides of the castle. Two (!) Gunners !!!
              1. SAG
                SAG 15 December 2019 21: 10
                +1
                Have you heard anything about closed discoveries that are breakthrough in their decisions, but they are classified? By your logic, if they are not put into practice, then there are technical problems everywhere ... And when you play cards, you also immediately throw all the trump cards in order to hit the opponent with a strong card ?! If so, then no one is a strategist. request
                1. The leader of the Redskins
                  The leader of the Redskins 15 December 2019 21: 19
                  -3
                  That is, the trump card in the form of "aromas" can be thrown out on a green cloth, but to create it right away with a breakthrough tool is so-so ...
                  And according to what strategy is a new tank gun and ammunition created during the fighting? I read about them only when in WWII our tanks could not cope with the new tanks of the Wehrmacht ... And then, we did not create them from scratch, but redid what was already ....
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 16 December 2019 16: 32
                +4
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                Examples of these solutions are in our history. Gun SPM. When they demanded that b both on planes, and on tanks and as a howitzer. Done. But not comfortable. Inductions on different sides of the castle. Two (!) Gunners !!!

                Universal was F-22, not SPM.
                SPM was already an ordinary divisional weapon that inherited from the F-22 the location of the VN and GN mechanisms.
            2. Konatantin 1992
              Konatantin 1992 17 December 2019 04: 58
              0
              Where did you get that 2a46m5 or any that you like from the 2a46 family is more powerful than the Rh120 L55? Pruffy Billy, I need Pruffy, interesting to read. I just came across information that the L55 is one of the most powerful ....
          4. Hermit21
            Hermit21 15 December 2019 12: 29
            0
            There are no real goals for her now. As soon as the enemy has something that 2A82-1M cannot handle, they will install 2A83
          5. Alex777
            Alex777 15 December 2019 16: 40
            +6
            Years pass. Money got better. The parade shows a new platform "Armata" with ... 125 mm!
            Why?!!!
            After all, there was a positive 152 mm gun ?!
            That is the question ...

            The reasons can be several:
            - barrel resource 152 mm half as low (500 shots total),
            - ammunition a half times less,
            - there are no goals for which 152 mm power is needed right now,
            - problems with logistics in 2 calibers,
            - weight and cost at 152 mm higher ... hi
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 15 December 2019 13: 58
        +4
        It seems to me with larger calibres the resource of the gun will be less and the shells take up more space, which means that AZ will then fit less shells into the tank, a major alteration of the tanks will be needed.
    3. fa2998
      fa2998 15 December 2019 10: 54
      -1
      Plus 5 mm. - but saw ammunition (in comparison) - one and a half times more than modern ones.
      And 6 dm., So far only a fairy tale (not even in the drawings), but this one is in metal.
      You can, of course, put the gun that stood on the KV-2. lol hi
    4. figwam
      figwam 15 December 2019 11: 11
      +4
      Quote: seti
      Already shown. But we also have an answer of 6 inches in stock.

      And why don't we put 130 mm on Armata, with minimal alterations and costs.
      Quote: fa2998
      And 6 dm., So far only a fairy tale (not even in the drawings)

      Why, everything was already in iron.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 15 December 2019 19: 59
        +6
        And why don’t we put 130 mm on Armata ........ oh well, why not a caliber for more
        1. Cananecat
          Cananecat 16 December 2019 00: 51
          +2
          History is cyclical ... something here smacks of gigantomania. Just like in the glorious 30s of the last century ..))
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 16 December 2019 04: 35
            +4
            something smells like gigantomania ...... yes my comment is a banal banter, actually 125 mm is quite practical and most importantly how you can shy away from it, according to my acquaintances and friends tankers have long been obsessed with all sorts of classic cumulatives and crowbars , in the BC leave only the classic OF and UR Invar, although Invar also has the OF version, in the first UR the trunk is protected, in the second there are no adjustments and other hemorrhoids, in the third you can naughty with extreme disruptions, and most importantly, the stream production of tank Ur deputy spot reduce its costs, though at the moment the tank ur not much worth more classic shot, well, that's so in brief
            1. Cananecat
              Cananecat 16 December 2019 15: 13
              +1
              It is clear that banter, nevertheless, as a fact ... everything is moving towards the fact that the means of delivery of explosives to the enemy’s side will change and the caliber in this case will not play a significant role. )
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 16 December 2019 15: 23
                +3
                caliber in this case will not play a significant role. ) .... that's it, the Germans’s attempts are very strange. it’s not clear what they want from this gun. firstly and 120 mm has a unitary shot limit of 30 kg. an increase in caliber means an increase in the mass of the shot, that is, it should be 40-45 kg, if it is unitary to the loader, and so no one envied it and here ..... there is no automatic assault rifle, that’s with regards to tank KVV, either Israeli LHAT does not count. one shot 160 tons of greenbacks, and it is only in the cumulative version, in short complete clarity, so. imaginary threat from under the carpet KB
    5. svp67
      svp67 15 December 2019 20: 24
      +2
      Quote: seti
      Already shown. But we also have an answer of 6 inches in stock.

      Yes, and in the 130 mm we have something to answer ...
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 16 December 2019 16: 35
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Yes, and in the 130 mm we have something to answer ...

        Offer to roll out of Kubinka moonwalker? wink
        1. svp67
          svp67 16 December 2019 16: 40
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Do you propose to roll a rover from Kubinka?

          Let the "old people" continue to "rest in retirement", it is time to make their "rovers" using the old experience, but with new solutions
        2. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 16 December 2019 16: 49
          +3
          Do you propose to roll a rover from Kubinka? ....... wax a lunar rover called a tank on four parallel gusli, I didn’t forget which project it was, but it looks pretty funny
  2. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 15 December 2019 09: 23
    +3
    Well, the Germans were able to create weapons during the Second World War, here you can’t argue ..
    But what about the Jews in Israel? Something I missed them .. wink
    Really do not bomb anyone ..?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 09: 25
      +10
      Quote: Starper-777
      what do the Jews have in Israel?

      They have Merkava and Warrior Wow! laughing
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 December 2019 09: 35
        +2
        Israel will simply acquire a license for this weapon and put it on Merkava .... If and when necessary.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 09: 39
          -2
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Israel will simply acquire a license for this weapon and put it on Merkava ....

          Technically unlikely.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 15 December 2019 09: 40
            +1
            On Leo, maybe ....
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 09: 47
              +2
              Quote: Zaurbek
              On Leo, maybe ....

              God knows what gloomy German geniuses came up with ... hi
            2. Albert1988
              Albert1988 21 December 2019 19: 56
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              On Leo, maybe ....

              No, it’s not possible - the gun is planned only for a promising machine, fundamentally different from the leo ...
          2. herev15
            herev15 15 December 2019 12: 34
            +3
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Israel will simply acquire a license for this weapon and put it on Merkava ....

            Technically unlikely.

            I don’t know technically, but we cannot afford to depend on European suppliers, we have already passed this. HELFAER missiles for helicopters Obama delayed and therefore an alternative was created based on Spike. There is a good proverb: Saving the drowning people is the business of the drowning people themselves.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 21 December 2019 21: 28
              +1
              And now, from whose gun is Merkava shooting?
      2. rufaqn
        rufaqn 15 December 2019 09: 51
        -2
        Warrior UX interesting, forum users his comments are filled with technical content and very informative.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 09: 54
          +3
          Quote: rufaqn
          his comments are full of technical content and very informative.

          Yes, he wrote nonsense only about Zakhar Prilepin. wink
          1. rufaqn
            rufaqn 15 December 2019 09: 59
            -8
            I didn’t read, but what kind of article? Drop the link for fun, if not difficult.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 10: 15
              +1
              Quote: rufaqn
              I didn’t read, but what kind of article?

              I wrote in the comments. That Prilepin is a great Russian writer.
        2. Starper-xnumx
          Starper-xnumx 15 December 2019 14: 59
          +1
          Quote: rufaqn
          Warrior UX interesting, forum users his comments are filled with technical content and very informative.

          Yes, he’s just a patient, ordinary sergeant TSHAL and now he sees a car wash as a maximum .... heh heh
      3. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 15 December 2019 09: 58
        +6
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Starper-777
        what do the Jews have in Israel?

        They have Merkava and Warrior Wow! laughing

        And the Iron Dome .. heh heh
        And Voyaka Uh with "nerves of iron", he never gives in to my provocations hehe He writes not bad, you can't argue here ..! fellow
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 December 2019 10: 13
          +7
          Quote: Starper-777
          And the Iron Dome .. heh heh

          Iron cumpol Professor patches. laughing And there was a freeloader Rabinovich, he went to Belarus for free potatoes for free. And Atalef - to Kiev for fat. laughing
          1. Starper-xnumx
            Starper-xnumx 15 December 2019 15: 09
            +2
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Starper-777
            And the Iron Dome .. heh heh

            Iron cumpol Professor patches. laughing And there was a freeloader Rabinovich, he went to Belarus for free potatoes for free. And Atalef - to Kiev for fat. laughing

            Krasnodar still has a tricky one here wassat
            About them, jokes can already be composed in. lol
            That's how the men live ..

            Nostalgia they he he he
            The whole history of Russia in one dance ..?
      4. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 December 2019 11: 33
        +16
        "They have Merkava and Voyaka Uh!" ///
        -----
        drinks
        Jews developed in the late 90s 140 mm tank gun and shells for it.
        Mounted in the same tower. Only ammunition is reduced.
        But it remained unclaimed due to the absence of the enemy.
        Instead, the guns adopted the cunning OBPS, which allows to maintain the initial velocity of the projectile up to 2.5 km without loss of accuracy. Well, and a universal semi-cumulatively armor-piercing, semi-high explosive shell. To defeat light armor, concrete and work in open areas.
        While the gun is not going to change
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 15 December 2019 09: 41
      +6
      The Jews are doing fine. 9 million Jews live on a piece of desert without any resources, have an advanced army of military-industrial complex and medicine, and keep in good shape 1,5 billion Islamists in the region. It is terrible to think what the Jews would have achieved with the resources, territory and population of the Russian Federation.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 December 2019 09: 50
        +15
        They can’t do anything .... Although all the conditions they have and there is a Jewish Autonomous Region. They dig money and take it offshore, then they go to Israel, where there is no extradition in the Russian Federation. Simple scheme. Here the governor of Levintal was planted.
      2. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 15 December 2019 10: 08
        +9
        Quote: Clever man
        The Jews are doing fine. 9 million Jews live on a piece of desert without any resources, have an advanced army of military-industrial complex and medicine, and keep in good shape 1,5 billion Islamists in the region.

        Israel is their office, and other countries have leverage and indirect earnings .. heh

        Quote: Clever man
        It is terrible to think what the Jews would have achieved with the resources, territory and population of the Russian Federation.

        They would not agree to this .. laughing
        As I remember Bunin's father (a former tsarist officer) emigrated to France and there were a lot of journalists on the platform at once with a question .. "Nukak in Russia Soviet power was established everywhere ..?
        And he answered, after a pause: "NO! There were not enough Jews for the whole of Russia ..
        "
        In some ways, he was right! Not for nothing that the Germans in the 41st anti-Semitic leaflets over the troops of the Red Army were scattered and many acted after all? hi
        1. lucul
          lucul 15 December 2019 10: 33
          +6
          And he answered, after a pause: "NO! There were not enough Jews for the whole of Russia ..

          Yeah, one here proved to me, in all seriousness, that there were no Jews in Russia before the revolution))))) motivating the settledness line))))
          1. Starper-xnumx
            Starper-xnumx 15 December 2019 13: 50
            -3
            Quote: lucul
            And he answered, after a pause: "NO! There were not enough Jews for the whole of Russia ..

            Yeah, one here proved to me, in all seriousness, that there were no Jews in Russia before the revolution))))) motivating the settledness line))))

            Well, the leaders of the GULAGs were Jews and Latvians .. This is already, everyone knows ..!
            Then the media smoothly moved to political workers in the surplus appraisal and, well, there is dispossession, etc.
            And they did it with soul and fiction, as in the 90s now. Hehe
            Marshal Zhukov could not stand them even after Stalin’s death, they poisoned him and spread rot in every possible way, but the bastards were afraid to kill him ... they sensed that they would no longer forgive Zhukov in Russia for them!
            This topic is endless men .. Just look and do not believe .. soldier
            .
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 15 December 2019 14: 40
              +5
              Quote: Starper-777

              Then the media smoothly moved to political workers in the surplus appraisal and, well, there is dispossession, etc.
              And they did it with soul and fiction, as in the 90s now. Hehe
              Marshal Zhukov could not stand them even after Stalin’s death, they poisoned him and spread rot in every possible way, but the bastards were afraid to kill him ... they sensed that they would no longer forgive Zhukov in Russia for them!
              This topic is endless men .. Just look and do not believe .. soldier
              .

              Here you ...
              1. Starper-xnumx
                Starper-xnumx 15 December 2019 14: 55
                -1
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Here you ...

                Yes, Aron understood .. I thought you were sleeping or praying near the crying wall. crying ? wassat drinks
                So I was wrong, then I catch the cons on all fronts .. heh heh
                You didn’t stand it yet? Has appeared fellow
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 15 December 2019 15: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Starper-777

                  Yes, Aron understood .. I thought you were sleeping or praying near the crying wall. crying ? wassat drinks
                  So I was wrong, then I catch the cons on all fronts .. heh heh
                  You didn’t stand it yet? Has appeared fellow

                  You won’t get a minus from me. Too much honor.
                  1. Starper-xnumx
                    Starper-xnumx 15 December 2019 15: 43
                    -1
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    You won’t get a minus from me. Too much honor.

                    I believe, and pluses? wassat
                    I've put you here, with all my heart Russian .. fellow
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 15 December 2019 15: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: Starper-777
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      You won’t get a minus from me. Too much honor.

                      I believe, and pluses? wassat
                      I've put you here, with all my heart Russian .. fellow

                      You got a couple of times from me when you wrote in the case.
                      1. Starper-xnumx
                        Starper-xnumx 15 December 2019 16: 14
                        -4
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        You got a couple of times from me when you wrote in the case.

                        Is this when Aron? Well, in PM, you have repeatedly threatened me hehe
                      2. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 15 December 2019 16: 26
                        +3
                        Quote: Starper-777

                        Is this when Aron? Well, in PM, you have repeatedly threatened me hehe

                        Threatened? request I don’t even have words ... fool
              2. Wolf
                Wolf 16 December 2019 03: 28
                0
                Yes, Aron was beaten by Heroes, but Baruchs beat, Rothschildy, etc. ....., and they did the Second World War! ;)
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 21 December 2019 17: 58
                  +1
                  Well, yes, they planned 2MB 2000 years ago, having arrived from Sirius)))
                2. The comment was deleted.
            2. 3danimal
              3danimal 21 December 2019 17: 56
              +1
              Do you still believe in a world conspiracy? )))
              1. Wolf
                Wolf 21 December 2019 19: 25
                +1
                I am not a believer in CASES OF CHRONICLES! AND THAT EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD IS RANDOMLY! Will it satisfy you? laughing laughing laughing
                1. Wolf
                  Wolf 21 December 2019 19: 28
                  +1
                  Weight Chronicle and everything that happened to Christ until now has been the implementation of the PLAN, as for the example of Nostradamus who published the PLAN !!! There you will find in the ego katarenas 70 years old red roses and octobras 1917! wink
                  1. Wolf
                    Wolf 21 December 2019 19: 42
                    +2
                    The Egyptian priests were not magicians, and the clever people of Kotori also knew a lot about previous civilizations. Until now, humanity is following their plans. But there were Ivan the Great (terrible) and Nikola Tesla and prevented the implementation of the PLAN! There was MENDELEEV, etc. ... Explain to the PEOPLE who and why REMOVED ETHER FROM THE TABLE OF MENDELEEV, immediately after the ego of death? But if you will touch me for the language I will tell you MUCH MORE! wink laughing laughing
                    1. Wolf
                      Wolf 21 December 2019 19: 44
                      +1
                      You speak with SERB and we old men, and the elders of Egypt, and a lot! wink
                      1. Wolf
                        Wolf 21 December 2019 19: 48
                        +1
                        You can understand how many GREAT WAS IVAN ??? request
                      2. Wolf
                        Wolf 21 December 2019 20: 19
                        +1
                        When you already want, come on! So the future may be a billion but passed in one dimension ONLY ONE! And this is the whole problem among the rulers of the world.
                      3. Wolf
                        Wolf 21 December 2019 20: 22
                        +1
                        Therefore, they falsify the record constantly. All tzv. history of falsification there is almost no truth there.
                      4. 3danimal
                        3danimal 21 December 2019 22: 28
                        +1
                        Were you not lazy to write this set of letters? ..))
          2. il-z
            il-z 15 December 2019 17: 31
            +2
            In the early 90s, he was in Tashkent at the home of a classmate at a university and held in his hands, leafing through the passport of his great-grandfather (Jew), issued in 1918. According to family history, he came from the United States in the 18th to participate in the revolution, yes and stayed .....
            1. Karen
              Karen 15 December 2019 17: 38
              0
              Well, yes ... Nearly 300 gangsters were sent with Trotsky from America, in their skin ... They shot along and across ...
              1. il-z
                il-z 15 December 2019 19: 13
                0
                I have never heard of it, and if I heard it I would have questioned it, without documentary evidence. The number is painfully even (even taking into account the adverb “almost”), “almost 300“ Spartans. ”Well, I would be a little thoughtful if 215,8 gangsters were mentioned, more than 250, etc. (I apologize for some sarcasm, but nothing I can’t help myself))).
                As for the arrival of Jews during the years of the revolution, everyone could come for their own personal motivating reason or a complex of various reasons, and they could fluctuate in a huge range, almost like collecting the reasons and motivations of those who arrived / joined the ATO-workers and LDNRs.
                I have an even and calm attitude towards Jews (I think so))). Figuratively speaking, we all move together in one train, in one time direction, just in different cars .....
                1. Karen
                  Karen 15 December 2019 19: 15
                  -1
                  Two hundred and seventy with something ... Ghevolyutsii need arrows ...
                2. Wolf
                  Wolf 21 December 2019 20: 34
                  +1
                  Lev Bronshtayan was sent from the USA in 1917 with a lot of money and a lot of robbers to raise a revolution. They arrested the ego in Halifax Canada, but they released WOODROW WILSON for the PERSONAL INTERVENTION. Woodrow Wilson was blackmailed by the optionists because he had children (money saving) in him, he also allowed the founding of a private FED, which still belongs to the ZIONISTS! So Russia you Oktober Revolution came from the United States! wink
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 15 December 2019 19: 31
                +4
                Quote: Karen
                Well, yes ... Nearly 300 gangsters were sent with Trotsky from America, in their skin ... They shot along and across ...

                In order to steal all crayfish from Lake Sivan in the future and vilely transport them to Israel laughing
                Parev, ahperdzhan, vontses? )))
                1. Karen
                  Karen 15 December 2019 19: 36
                  0
                  Shalom, Ashkenazi Albert!
                  For reference ... In Sevan, the communists brought in crayfish ... Like whitefish (this whitefish saved the Armenians from the famine during the war of the 90s)
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 15 December 2019 19: 41
                    +4
                    What is whitefish, my Karabakh / Yerevan / friend underline? )))
                    1. Karen
                      Karen 15 December 2019 19: 44
                      +1
                      There is such a fish, from Lake Peipsi ... Large there ... But in Sevan it grows to a kilo mainly ... But Sevan trout in Issyk-Kul became 25 times larger, but it loosened ...
                      Greetings from Yerevan.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 15 December 2019 19: 51
                        +4
                        Cool
                        The kids will grow up a bit - I will drive up to your area - everyone who was praised))
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 15 December 2019 19: 29
              +5
              Quote: il-z
              In the early 90s, he was in Tashkent at the home of a classmate at a university and held in his hands, leafing through the passport of his great-grandfather (Jew), issued in 1918. According to family history, he came from the United States in the 18th to participate in the revolution, yes and stayed .....

              There was a boxing trainer in Tashkent - a Jew. Sydney L. Jackson - a classic of Soviet boxing))) During the years of the revolution, he just arrived
              1. Wolf
                Wolf 16 December 2019 03: 20
                0
                Like Leo Bronstein.
              2. il-z
                il-z 17 December 2019 22: 49
                +1
                No, he did not survive the 30s. The combination of the name of the middle name was unusual: something like Yakov Dzheksonovich or Yakov Dzhonovich. A classmate 12-15 years ago left after his elder brother to Israel, perhaps his passport (and his story) is also there).
        2. Wolf
          Wolf 16 December 2019 03: 19
          0
          Ax how not enough Fјodor Mikhalovich Dostoyevskog!
          smile
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 15 December 2019 10: 34
        +2
        Quote: Clever man

        The Jews are doing fine. 9 million Jews live on a piece of desert without any resources,

        Do you yourself believe that Jews live in the desert? Why do not they live in our autonomy? Because it is cold. And where did you get the idea that they will live where it is hot and there is no water? To them, the UN, when creating the state of Israel, allocated more fertile land than to the Palestinians. With what the Arabs did not agree. Hence the ongoing wars in that region.
        1. Dmitry Gundorov
          Dmitry Gundorov 15 December 2019 11: 07
          -1
          Why should they live in some kind of autonomy controlled by the Chuly state, if they have a homeland and their holy historical places in the same homeland. And not at the devil
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 15 December 2019 17: 53
            +1
            Quote: Dmitry Gundorov
            Why should they live in some kind of autonomy controlled by the Chuly state, if they have a homeland and their holy historical places in the same homeland. And not at the devil

            Where does the birthplace in Israel come from for those born in the Union? And the holy historical (although, of course, who understands what by that) places they also have here.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 15 December 2019 11: 46
          +6
          "To them, the UN, when creating the state of Israel, allocated more fertile land than the Palestinians" ////
          ----
          This is not true. The land near the Mediterranean Sea in the 19th century was all marshy. Salt marshes, swamps and malaria.
          The Arabs did not live there, but lived in the depths on the hills. Arabs and Turks gladly sold "dead" lands near the coast to the "crazy Jews". But the Jews drained the swamps, brought eucalyptus trees from Australia, which dried up the soil. Anopheles mosquito
          They brought oranges from Spain, planted plantations and began to export these oranges.
          When the UN proclaimed the partition of Palestine, the Jews had a developed state with economies, roads, cities, and the Arabs still grazed goats in their hills.
          Jews agreed to partition, and Arabs refused. Why? - and war for what?
          And immediately after the proclamation of Israel, they acacia it by the forces of the armies of all neighboring states.
          Lost. And still unhappy.
          1. Starper-xnumx
            Starper-xnumx 15 December 2019 13: 54
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            This is not true. The land near the Mediterranean Sea in the 19th century was all marshy. Salt marshes, swamps and malaria.
            The Arabs did not live there, but lived in the depths on the hills. Arabs and Turks gladly sold "dead" lands to "crazy Jews"

            Well, here is the Warrior Wow appeared. Read, calmly .. let him write! hi
          2. smart ass
            smart ass 15 December 2019 16: 26
            +1
            Ukraine has 25% of the world Chernozem region and what is the result?
            1. Karen
              Karen 16 December 2019 00: 31
              0
              Quote: Clever man
              Ukraine has 25% of the world Chernozem region and what is the result?

              The result, thanks to the Kremlin's kibbutz, is as follows: 25% of the world Black Earth region will be in new Khazaria ...
      4. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 15 December 2019 11: 06
        +1
        Israel parasitizes on the USA, and the USA parasitizes on the whole world. Mostly of course.
        1. Starper-xnumx
          Starper-xnumx 15 December 2019 13: 56
          0
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Israel parasitizes on the USA, and the USA parasitizes on the whole world. Mostly of course.

          Not bad written! And very much to the point he he he good
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 15 December 2019 19: 33
          +6
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Israel parasitizes on the USA, and the USA parasitizes on the whole world. Mostly of course.

          Israel parasitizes on the "law on state support of high-tech production" of 1984)))
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 16 December 2019 03: 13
            +1
            And we have Skolkovo with Chubais, but you will not spoil them! crying
      5. 32363
        32363 15 December 2019 12: 00
        +1
        Quote: Clever man
        The Jews are doing fine. 9 million Jews live on a piece of desert without any resources, have an advanced army of military-industrial complex and medicine, and keep in good shape 1,5 billion Islamists in the region. It is terrible to think what the Jews would have achieved with the resources, territory and population of the Russian Federation.

        what is your good opinion about the Jews laughing
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 15 December 2019 16: 28
          +2
          The fact remains. I have known 2 purebred Jews in my life, I still have 4,5 thousand rubles sticking out for 12 years already.
          1. Wolf
            Wolf 16 December 2019 03: 25
            0
            laughing laughing laughing and when money doesn’t beat the Jews of the Saints! laughing
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 December 2019 09: 27
    +1
    For starters - nowhere to put it laughing that's how they begin to assemble and develop the appropriate tank, and Russia will catch up. And so, and 6 inches somewhere in our "storehouse" ...
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 15 December 2019 09: 37
      +1
      Under 130mm there are options for Leo and Leclerc .... I think that from 140mm and 130mm they will choose what can be less problematic to put on existing machines.
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex 15 December 2019 10: 29
        +5
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Under 130mm there are Leo and Leclerc options

        None of which have passed the full test. There were a lot of cannons of large caliber before. The problem is not in them. The problem is that installing such a gun in modern tanks has more minuses than pluses. There is less space left, less ammunition, worse mobility, a serious processing of the machine is required. As a result, the game is not worth the candle.
        For such guns you need to make a new tank.
      2. loki565
        loki565 15 December 2019 11: 08
        +5
        Is there an autoloader for this gun? or put a black stoker)))
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 15 December 2019 21: 01
          +1
          Which will be much more fun to charge, then there will be more shells.
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 15 December 2019 09: 29
    -3
    From words to deeds? Do not stand still ...
  5. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 15 December 2019 09: 31
    -1
    In Germany, developed a new tank smoothbore gun caliber 130-mm

    They took care ... The truth is that they have not yet caught up with the Russian T-14:
    Caliber and brand of gun: 125 mm 2A82 or 152 mm 2A83 on request
    Perhaps they decided to create their own European tank (to replace the Abrams). Actually, they are following the path of improving the Leopard cannon:
    Caliber and brand of guns 120 mm Rheinmetall Rh-120
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 15 December 2019 09: 39
      +5
      Yes, and they will take and upgrade Leo and Abrams with a 130mm gun ..... but we still can’t put a new 125mm 2A82 on the T90.
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 15 December 2019 13: 33
        +2
        2A82 for an uninhabited tower, you need to redo it thoroughly before putting it on the T-90.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 15 December 2019 15: 34
          0
          Not thorough ... install an ejector
    2. mechanic
      mechanic 15 December 2019 09: 52
      -11
      Quote: ROSS 42
      In Germany, developed a new tank smoothbore gun caliber 130-mm

      They took care ... True, they have not yet caught up with the Russian T-14


      By the number of idiotic crowing of the urya patriots, the T-14 "Shamota" has surpassed all competitors!
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 15 December 2019 20: 05
        +3
        Quote: mechanic
        By the number of idiotic crowing

        Yesterday's and today's branches, thanks to you, are breaking records. A pair of fresh-bot bots are blown away, it seems, for the whole party ... For the day of their existence, they have already thrown so much ... fellow laughing
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 15 December 2019 21: 03
        0
        Not all the records your Fshat shnyaga breaks with a new gun (which really isn’t) and a wretched base, which is burned everywhere from ancient RPGs laughing
    3. 32363
      32363 15 December 2019 12: 04
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      In Germany, developed a new tank smoothbore gun caliber 130-mm

      They took care ... The truth is that they have not yet caught up with the Russian T-14:
      Caliber and brand of gun: 125 mm 2A82 or 152 mm 2A83 on request
      Perhaps they decided to create their own European tank (to replace the Abrams). Actually, they are following the path of improving the Leopard cannon:
      Caliber and brand of guns 120 mm Rheinmetall Rh-120

      we learned about your armature back in 2008, when yours came to us to order a transmission for a new tank, by the way they didn’t hide it, but ours were refused, which was even mentioned in German media.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 15 December 2019 19: 35
        0
        when yours came to us to order a transmission for a new tank, .... we have a lot of new tanks, called OBJECTS, so what object was the transmission requested for?
  6. Pavel57
    Pavel57 15 December 2019 09: 35
    0
    No need to rush - 135 mm will be enough.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 15 December 2019 11: 43
      +4
      Quote: Pavel57
      No need to rush - 135 mm will be enough

      Those cross did not want to "interfere" in the discussion of this article (I had enough of the article about the 130-mm German cannon for 2016 with the signature "Kirill Ryabov" ...)! But you caught me with a 135 mm caliber! The fact is that when there were articles about the experimental T-95 tank in the "trend", I somehow "caught sight" of an article where it was stated that an "alternative" version of the 95 caliber gun was considered at one time for arming the T-135 mm! I even remember a phrase from an article that said: "A 135-mm tank gun is superior in power to a West German 120-mm tank gun, but inferior to a 140-mm NATO gun ..." Once, I mentioned this fragment on page VO. .. oh, what started here! It still hurts to remember! feel In short, they "waxed" me up to the top! There was no 135-mm tank gun ... and that's it! What's even more interesting ... I, too, everywhere "met on the T-95 tank" only a 152-mm gun! That article with the "135-mm cannon", in my opinion, I have never seen again ... it seems !?
      PS By the way, a 130-mm tank gun will not surprise us! In the USSR there were experimental tanks armed with a 130-mm cannon ... I even remember one type of such a gun ... A 130-mm S-70 tank gun!
  7. Amateur
    Amateur 15 December 2019 09: 45
    +11


    The people are getting smaller. In 2012, a 140 mm cannon frightened VO, in 2019, a total of 130 mm. request
    1. Alex_You
      Alex_You 16 December 2019 03: 33
      0
      The state armament program for the period up to 2020 provides for the delivery of modern tanks to the 2300 troops. This will allow equipping the tanks of the new generation with all the compounds of constant readiness.

      Taken from here: https://topwar.ru/80936-armata-prishla-nadolgo.html
    2. Pavel57
      Pavel57 16 December 2019 11: 58
      +1
      140 mm, and especially 152 mm - excess power, which means excess weight and less ammunition. Not to mention the cost of a shot.
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 December 2019 09: 54
    -1
    That is why it is necessary to re-equip 80 with a 152 mm gun. There was such a variant of this tank already! Rather than remodeling the T14 turret, you can install a 152mm cannon on the "eighty" faster!
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 15 December 2019 10: 33
      +6
      Quote: Thrifty
      you can install a 152mm cannon on the "eighty" faster!

      Faster? wink For a start:
      Redo the tower.
      Redo the automatic loader.
      Redo the gun stabilization system.
      Redo the sighting system.
      Redo the suspension.
      Most likely to install a new motor.
      Think it faster?
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 15 December 2019 10: 46
        -2
        The T80 tank with a 152 mm caliber gun passed at least factory tests years ago! 99 percent of the problems were then solved!
        1. abc_alex
          abc_alex 17 December 2019 11: 20
          0
          Quote: Thrifty
          The T80 tank with a 152 mm caliber gun passed at least factory tests years ago! 99 percent of the problems were then solved!


          Solved, (well, how is it "solved"? At the laboratory level) only one problem - with the tower.

          The corresponding turret was designed for the 152,4-mm cannon in KB-3 ... In KB-3, the welded turret of the original design was designed by N.N. Soloviev under the direction of A.I. Kholopov, and its manufacturer was determined by the Zhdanov Transport Engineering Plant (g Mariupol, Ukraine). A corresponding agreement was concluded between the plant and the All-Russian Research Institute of Steel. However, this work was delayed.

          Then it was decided to modify the turret of the serial tank. This was entrusted to Yu.N. Novikov, the designer of the weapons department of KB-3. The design of the standard turret has undergone a number of significant changes. In the area of ​​the embrasure, a new casting was welded in, modified to fit the dimensions of the 152,4 mm gun, the geometry of the rear of the turret was changed, specials were made, the mass of the turret was increased by installing weights to a value corresponding to the new fighting compartment. The serial turret was modified in the gear cutting shop MX-8 of the Kirov plant, and the treadmills in the MX-18 shop on a numerically controlled carousel machine. The increase in the weight of the tower and the recoil force required not only the modification of the turret ring, but, in fact, the creation of a new design. An invaluable role in this belongs to the scientists and specialists of VNIITransmash V.N. Lukyanov, V.M. Kolesnikov and I.K.Selifonov. Special merits in the development of a running device of the new scheme (moreover, in serial dimensions) belongs to the specialist of VNIITransmash V.S., Galitsky. Among the proposed solutions are terrorist treadmills and square phenolone bushings with spacers. VNIITransmash delivered the phenyl balls on time. "
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 15 December 2019 13: 47
      +1
      And what, at eighty 152 caliber stood on a standard tower with a standard automatic loader? Or was it still an experiment, in principle, the possibility of installing such an instrument but eighty?
  9. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 15 December 2019 10: 03
    0
    Interestingly, the German concern made a gun based on the purchase by the United States. That is, per sale. Will the Germans trump the Germans with shopping
    ? what .
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 15 December 2019 10: 51
      +3
      A good product and a good business. 120 mm just went and became the standard in NATO.
    2. 32363
      32363 15 December 2019 12: 05
      0
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Interestingly, the German concern made a gun based on the purchase by the United States. That is, per sale. Will the Germans trump the Germans with shopping
      ? what .

      so on abrams as on mercans are licensed German developments, they themselves can’t do anything.
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 16 December 2019 00: 10
      +1
      Quote: bessmertniy
      The German concern made a gun based on the purchase by the United States. That is, per sale.

      Well, how can I say ... The Germans made the same caliber L-120 "to replace" 44mm "L-55"; but I heard a story that the Americans left the L-44 clone on the Abrams ...
    4. Alex_You
      Alex_You 16 December 2019 03: 41
      0
      Duc and the Rhinemetal cannon is on the Abramas. Will sell the license to General Dynamics Land Systems, they will put the stamp "Made in USA" and whala, the American gun EMcheto-cheto. Here the Next Generation Combat Vehicle depends more on this program, as they had more than once with the Next Generation programs, they will almost complete it and close it, they say, it is expensive.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 December 2019 10: 14
    0
    And why is it needed, with whom did the Germans gather to fight?
    1. ML-334
      ML-334 15 December 2019 11: 32
      0
      In the 80s they said, a tank for 15 minutes of battle is now anti-tank weapons at times better, the question is, will it have time to get there and noisy from which barrel and where? In Syria, do not hear that the tank would hit the tank.
  11. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 15 December 2019 10: 17
    +2
    The Germans have a very high potential in the military-industrial complex.
    1. mechanic
      mechanic 15 December 2019 10: 23
      -9
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      The Germans have a very high potential in the military-industrial complex.

      And WHAT is their "NATO list" in warehouses !!! Real jam! :)
  12. lucul
    lucul 15 December 2019 10: 30
    +3
    a new high-energy powder charge, which is classified as insensitive to detonation, and a new, improved long-tungsten armor-piercing core with increased armor penetration.

    The only valuable thing in this gun, everything else is water ....
  13. Berkut24
    Berkut24 15 December 2019 10: 38
    +4
    The problem of the new gun for the Leopard-2 rested not on the caliber, but on the ultimate capabilities of the chassis. No wonder the developer of the new gun modestly kept silent about the mass of the entire assembly. The previous development of 140mm gave an advantage of 5 tons, not counting the load on the chassis with increased recoil during the shot.
  14. rufaqn
    rufaqn 15 December 2019 10: 48
    -16
    When will a unitary tank shell be developed in Russia ?! All the advantages of Soviet / Russian / Ukrainian tanks, starting from the T64, are crossed out by a cap propellant charge that does not stand up to criticism for its danger, which deservedly gave the name "tower thrower" to these machines, the battles in the Donbass clearly showed this. What was it ? design error or deviation will probably never be known.
    1. Donald72
      Donald72 15 December 2019 11: 00
      +6
      The towers fly off due to the presence of high-explosive shells in the back-end. When the abroms began to be equipped with such charges, the towers flew only on the road.

      1. rufaqn
        rufaqn 15 December 2019 11: 19
        -17
        I do not know what is in this photo, but the main losses of Abramov from high-explosive mines, in the tens of kg equivalent, Abrams is a priori better than the T72 in all respects and the oncoming tank battle of 1991 confirmed this, and even if the tank was loaded with blanks, ignition of paper cartridges, if not breaks down the tower, burns out the fighting compartment, the crew dies, there are many videos on Syria.
        1. Donald72
          Donald72 15 December 2019 11: 43
          -1
          Yes, there are a lot of videos where Abrams of the latest modifications or an anti-tank missile hits the T-72. And the first t-90 was knocked out almost after a year of participation in the battles. There is a huge amount of controversy which is better than 90 more compact, the goal is worse, the Negro does not get tired.
        2. eagle owl
          eagle owl 15 December 2019 21: 33
          0
          If there were Abrams of the same 70s of release that the Iraqi T-72, then you could see. And so there is an indisputable fact that Abrams in Europe are not able to get anywhere
      2. eagle owl
        eagle owl 15 December 2019 21: 31
        0
        And when there were no high-explosives, Iraqis with Kalash liquidated two abrams on a bridge in Iraq
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 15 December 2019 11: 08
      +2
      And the principle of faster and cheaper in our country has not been canceled, hence the results are! An acquaintance of mine in Chechnya fought in the first war, the battalion commander asked why our T72 towers are small, uncomfortable in them? I heard in response - "you go there pancake -you will not drag "!!!!
      1. rufaqn
        rufaqn 15 December 2019 11: 23
        -9
        Well, yes, and a condo is not needed, such as a nefig to relax in battle, and an automatic gearbox, and steering control, which has been on the Tigers since 42 years if that.
  15. Romanenko
    Romanenko 15 December 2019 11: 04
    +1
    A very serious hint at preparing for the introduction of at least the experimental series of our 152 mm tank guns, although I think something has already been done.
    Actually, it’s not even a gun, you need towers, sighting systems, automatic loaders, etc., and of course, who else to wear these hats except for Almaty
  16. Mentat
    Mentat 15 December 2019 11: 15
    0
    Quote: Clever man
    9 million Jews live on a piece of desert without any resources

    This is a very big exaggeration. You yourself know this very well.
  17. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 December 2019 11: 20
    +2
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Well ... What do we know about our three projects of tanks with 152 mm, created at the turn of the 90s?
    They were. Their results are recognized positive...
    And that’s all. No numbers, no data. That is, at that time, the designers coped with the task. The rest was written off for lack of money.
    Years pass. Money got better. The parade shows a new platform "Armata" with ... 125 mm!
    Why?!!!
    It was a positive 152 mm gun? !!
    That is the question ...

    For a tank, and even medium, apparently, such a caliber is excessive. Reduced ammunition. Alteration of the automatic loader. (Will it fit in?) Small nomenclature of ammunition suitable for small armored spaces of a tank. For example, long crowbars ..... which, well, nothing .... Then what are the advantages of 152, if you can plow only fraction? Coalitions are better suited for this. They don’t need to twist their shafts on the streets. And the tower is more spacious, you can expand it there and install any machine gun. I think that the culmins are still not fools.
  18. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 15 December 2019 12: 03
    +2
    So, the main problem is not the caliber, but the length of the projectile. With an increase in caliber, the crowbar will also be proportionally lengthened.

    A long crowbar, in turn, does not fit into the loader or styling. And this without the creation of a completely new tower is unsolvable.
  19. eagle owl
    eagle owl 15 December 2019 21: 30
    0
    They want to cram the Leclerc tower, and fasten the tower to the Leopörd's chassis - a long-standing topic
  20. Wolf
    Wolf 16 December 2019 03: 49
    0
    Chast Ruske soul dance! smile Question 130mm, 140mm, 150mm, 125mm? And can the 125 mm first whistle destroy an enemy tank? If maybe for what is excess weight?
    And dance muskoy! smile
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoAtd49wYlg


    Ruskaia soul or according to Karl Gustav Јung "Collective svest of the PEOPLE" is complex! smile
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 16 December 2019 03: 50
      0
      Not enough Fiodor Mikhalovich of the 21st century!
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 16 December 2019 03: 53
        0
        And ballet is not our word! DANCE! wink already possible! smile
        1. Karen
          Karen 16 December 2019 08: 26
          0
          I have already told you ... The best tanker of Karabakh seated an American military journalist next to him and showed him the capabilities of the T-72 ... He says that the journalist, when he got out of the tank, exclaimed: "Abrahams is zero!"
          It’s a pity that the tanker was not given the opportunity to show all this to the Kubinka ...
  21. Chess knight
    Chess knight 16 December 2019 17: 38
    0
    nuuuu ... 152 mm on T 14 Armata, I think not an empty ring, we are waiting for the Old, well, I would like to test faster) but they will most likely be after the first batch
  22. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 18 December 2019 14: 02
    0
    There was not so long ago an article about choosing a gun for a joint Franco-German tank. Now I can not find the article. So there it was claimed 120 mm armor penetration is better than that of our best 125mm. Our 125mm does not pierce Abrams in the forehead (it can only penetrate into weak points) They are pierced by 120mm of all our tanks, but the armata is in question. And they decided in advance to be puzzled by the new caliber. 140 mm offers France, 130 mm Germany. As far as I remember, compared with a 120mm projectile at 130mm, the pressure in the barrel is 1,7 times greater, 140mm at 1,9. It seems like they decided to stop at 130mm, with an automatic loader.