Repair work resumed at TAVKR Admiral Kuznetsov

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Repair work resumed at TAVKR Admiral Kuznetsov

Repair work on the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrying cruiser continues despite the fire on the eve. This was announced by the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) Alexei Rakhmanov.

Answering a question from journalists about whether the repair was stopped during the investigation, Rakhmanov said that work was ongoing no matter what.



Of course not. The ship is big, we continue work

- he said.

Yesterday, the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center reported that ship repair specialists will be able to continue repair work on board the Admiral Kuznetsov only after the decision of the RF Ministry of Defense on their admission to the ship.

Commenting on the question of how the situation will affect the timing of the delivery of the ship and what the damage from the fire, Rakhmanov said that preliminary damage could be assessed no earlier than the middle of next week, and refused to say anything by the deadlines of the ship, arguing that the damage caused by the fire is not yet known.

Until we enter the damaged compartments and carry out a defect, I will not say anything

he answered reporters.

Earlier it was reported that a fire broke out during the repair and modernization of the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr, the area of ​​which reached 500 sq. meters. Fire extinguishing took almost a day. A preliminary reason is that the spark from the welding gets into diesel fuel. 12 people were injured during the fire, two soldiers were killed.

According to the USC plans, the transfer of Admiral Kuznetsov to the customer is scheduled for 2022 year.
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    1. -2
      14 December 2019 14: 21
      If only the repair dates were not endlessly transferred to the right, until the aircraft carrier was completely worn out.
      1. -1
        14 December 2019 14: 40
        As folk wisdom says, '"a good job can be extended over two weeks," so that there will be transfers. lol
        1. +1
          14 December 2019 17: 08
          Quote: rufaqn
          As folk wisdom says, "a good job can be extended over two weeks," so that there will be transfers.

          Quote: Atomic Cosmic
          Will transfer! It's Russia!!!!

          There is an artistic episode on this occasion:

          I would like to think that there will not be different effective assistants there ...
          hi
      2. -7
        14 December 2019 15: 00
        Will transfer! It's Russia!!!!
        1. -1
          14 December 2019 20: 42
          Have you ever had an apartment renovated? If you have one ... From personal experience .. Builders, as a rule, say we will do it in three months, the repair really goes on for half a year ... It is real always and everywhere ... Russia has nothing to do with it. This is a repair!
    2. +2
      14 December 2019 14: 22
      100 percent will move to the right
      1. +1
        14 December 2019 14: 26
        According to rumors, only equipment that was already subject to replacement was damaged. How true they are, I can’t judge
        1. +13
          14 December 2019 15: 04
          Of course. Who would doubt that.
          More can be said: we ourselves were going to burn it in a planned manner, but then His Majesty the chance turned up.
          1. +5
            14 December 2019 16: 05
            The main thing is that the turbines and boilers did not seem to be affected. If they suffered, then all is death. As far as I understood, the cables were burned, which they were going to change to new
    3. +1
      14 December 2019 14: 32
      Rakhmanov is never responsible for the result. "Work" is productivity times time. Time is money that we don't have. The scheme is clear. Goodbye, "Kuzya".
      1. +2
        14 December 2019 15: 06
        Quote: iouris
        ... Time is money that we don't have. The scheme is clear. Goodbye, "Kuzya".

        Do not hurry No. ... Maybe our "Kuzya", slowly, smoking black-white-gray smoke, will take part in a ship lifting operation, from the bottom of the sea, the newest multipurpose US destroyer, USS Zumwalt crying .
        1. +11
          14 December 2019 20: 28
          Gennady hi Reporters amaze me. They generally understand what they are asking. The smoke from the fire has not yet weathered, and give them a work plan. And time for an assessment of what happened?
          1. +1
            15 December 2019 00: 39
            Rakhmanov himself said yesterday that the timing of repairs will not change, and the fire at that time was not even extinguished
        2. +7
          14 December 2019 21: 38
          No matter how economically savvy people advocate, no matter how they click calculators, Kuzya will have to be repaired. And you have to see it through to the end. And do it as soon as possible.
          The point is not in the value of the ship as a combat unit, and certainly not in the "struggle for the prestige" of the country with the aircraft carrier. "Kuznetsov" is needed as a training desk, as a combat training ship for training pilots of our future carrier-based aviation. If you now cut it into metal, there will be a gap in combat training and practical flights (takeoffs and landings) for 15-20 years. This is the end . This is the death of carrier-based aircraft for the entire future.
          We can actually lay aircraft carriers (for technical reasons - there is no shipyard yet, but it is being built) only by the end of the next decade. On the Star of the Big Stone. And to get the first aircraft carrier in another 7-10 years.
          Until that time, "Kuznetsov" must be kept in working order at any cost. And to persist in preparing carrier-based pilots for the future.
          And "Kuznetsov" immediately after the repair needs to be transferred to the Black Sea Fleet, where the climate will help him, and the plant in Kerch with its own dock and competencies, and the weather there for flights is much better ... And THREAD is nearby.
    4. -7
      14 December 2019 14: 41
      They wouldn’t have tormented Kuzya, they would have buried the poor animal — they had buried it in peace or made a museum.
      1. -10
        14 December 2019 15: 01
        It would be better to make a museum out of it! For a long time all resource worked out!
        1. 0
          14 December 2019 15: 57
          Almost did not swim due to repairs
          1. +1
            16 December 2019 17: 00
            Quote: Uncle Izya
            Almost did not swim due to repairs

            And at the same time, it was almost not repaired due to regular exits. Do not consider regular repairs restoration of technical readiness before a long sea voyage.
            For the last ten years "Kuznetsov" was planned to be repaired every year. And every year this repair was postponed for political reasons - it was necessary to show the flag again.
    5. +4
      14 December 2019 14: 43
      Damage is not fatal, they will abut - they will catch up. We need this ship - so as not to lose deck aviation at all.
      1. -3
        14 December 2019 15: 01
        Well, Urya patriots say the opposite! Russian aircraft carriers are not needed, tea is not America!
        1. +5
          14 December 2019 15: 41
          Well, Urya patriots say the opposite! Russian aircraft carriers are not needed, tea is not America!

          No, that's what bots say about registering accounts today and there are at least three of them in this news))) REGISTRATED December 14, 2019 08:28
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            1. 0
              14 December 2019 20: 11
              https://topwar.ru/139593-amerikanskie-avianoscy-ubili-sotni-svoih-moryakov.html

              I recommend to study.
              1. -1
                14 December 2019 22: 19
                I got acquainted! During the fighting!
                1. +1
                  14 December 2019 22: 21
                  What during the fighting? Fires on aircraft carriers? No. They happened in peacetime. The usual thing.
      2. -3
        14 December 2019 15: 35
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        We need this ship - so as not to lose deck aviation at all.

        Is this a statement or a question?
        1. +7
          14 December 2019 15: 56
          Quote: Piramidon
          Is this a statement or a question?

          Is there a question mark there?
      3. +9
        14 December 2019 16: 07
        I need, not the right word, I need him. Otherwise, we can really lose the guys flying from the deck ...
        No THREAD can replace real take-offs and landings from the deck on the water.
        Hopefully they will bring the Admiral Kuznetsov TAVKR to a combat-ready state.
        And those who call him Kuzya here, apparently not from a big mind ...
        1. +1
          14 December 2019 16: 45
          And those who call him Kuzya here, apparently not from a big mind ...

          And what is it, everyone who serves him as they call him, factory workers, Murmansk residents.
          1. +3
            14 December 2019 16: 47
            Drill1990

            The flight crew does not name. It's enough?
            1. -3
              14 December 2019 17: 29
              The flight crew does not name

              I honestly do not care. This is more a habit of calling a ship.
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          1. +3
            14 December 2019 20: 17
            But the Russian Federation is able to maintain a fleet of ocean-going yachts, which cost as several fleets. I happened to see Abramovich’s yacht once. Impressive. Pride for the country straightened.
      4. 0
        14 December 2019 16: 55
        Damage is not fatal, they will abut - they will catch up. We need this ship - so as not to lose deck aviation at all.



        If the new Russian aircraft carrier will be with a catapult, then the whole preparation will be different. In addition, the training of a pilot of a carrier-based aircraft is a system in which the aircraft carrier itself is only one of the links, although the main one.
        According to some reports, we still have 7 pilots capable of taking off and landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier. So what can already be considered carrier-based aircraft lost.
        1. +5
          14 December 2019 17: 09
          Quote: Arzt
          If the new Russian aircraft carrier will be with a catapult, then the whole preparation will be different

          Will not be. The most difficult thing is, in fact, landing.
          Quote: Arzt
          According to some reports, we still have 7 pilots capable of taking off and landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier. So what can already be considered carrier-based aircraft lost.

          Badly mistaken. You just don’t understand what this figure means.
          1. -1
            14 December 2019 21: 02
            Badly mistaken. You just don’t understand what this figure means.


            What am I mistaken? Do we have developed deck aviation? Are all the pilots of the 279th regiment capable of taking off and landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier?
            1. +5
              14 December 2019 23: 32
              Quote: Arzt
              What am I mistaken? Do we have developed deck aviation? Are all the pilots of the 279th regiment capable of taking off and landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier?

              In principle - yes, everyone is capable :))) Another question is that in order for a pilot to be allowed to fly with a TAVKR, there are certain requirements for flying, takeoffs and landings, worked out on simulators (THREAD), and all this "burns out" after some time, and requires additional training. So at some point, while Kuznetsov is being repaired, it may even happen that there will not be a single pilot in the country capable of taking off / landing :))) But when Kuznetsov is ready to accept pilots again, they will be "chased again "for simulators, and those" incapable "to work from an aircraft carrier will again receive permits.
        2. +10
          14 December 2019 17: 37
          We once ... had only 3 pilot-inspectors (they were admitted through the testers), for the entire aviation, for refueling in the air, at 31. Nothing, "multiplied" later, through "budding".
          And now for refueling, as a result, even young people fly ...
          How many of the 7 pilots are instructor pilots? If you write about it?
          1. 0
            14 December 2019 21: 36
            How many of the 7 pilots are instructor pilots? If you write about it?


            I don’t know about the instructors, but knowledgeable people write that now, from two regiments of the PA, 5 SU-33 and 2 Mik-29 are capable of landing on deck. And then only during the day and without the use of weapons.
            In general, over the past 25 years, about 40 people have learned to sit on the Kuznetsov's deck, almost all are already retired.
            1. +5
              14 December 2019 23: 00
              Doctor
              You know, I won’t even write something in response to you ... after I read your comment ... but I could write, and teach the mind to reason ...
              Now, in general, no one will land on Kuznetsov and will not take off from him, however, the repair ...
              And about 25 years ....) I will not comment further ... but I could ...
              1. -2
                14 December 2019 23: 44
                And about 25 years ....) I will not comment further ... but I could ...


                From an interview with the newspaper "Vzlyad" Gennady Georgievich Bakulin, in 1991 - the Chief of the 1063th PPiPLS KA (Center for Combat Use and Retraining of Naval Aviation Flight Personnel - Crimea - NITKA).

                “... We agreed with Moscow and the aviation of the Northern Fleet. And everyone flew on military transport planes to Russia, to Severomorsk-3.

                LOOK: How many were there?

                G. B.: A little less than 100 people. They went to the North with me 16 pilots: p / c Apakidze T.A., p / c Chibri Ya.G., Mr. Kochkarev KB, Mr. Kretov P.P., Mr. Ryzhov GB, Mr. Dubovoj V.V., Art. l-t Kuzmenko V.A., Mr. Kornev S.N., Mr. Ryabukha A.V., Mr. Rasskazov S.N., Art. l-t Kuznetsov E.V., Art. l-Ustyukhin S.G., Art. Ph.D. Abramov A.A., Mr. Podguzov P.E., Mr. Chursin A.B.

                LOOK: Can we say that it was they who later formed the backbone of the carrier-based aircraft of Russia?

                GB: To some extent. The 3th naval assault regiment was already based at the Severomorsk-279 airfield of the Northern Fleet, so they did not come to an empty place. But the first set of deck pilots who first mastered landing on the "Admiral Kuznetsov" - yes, they were from Sak. They laid the tradition of the Russian naval aviation of springboard takeoff. "

                https://aviator.guru/blog/43489751890/Dva-ofitsera-spasli-dlya-Rossii-shkolu-palubnyih-letchikov?nr=1&utm_referrer=mirtesen.ru

                Then the dashing 90s. Since 1991, 3 or 4 groups of 10 people have been trained. These are the ones that REALLY sat on the deck. Most are already retired. If not correct.
                1. +2
                  14 December 2019 23: 48
                  Doctor
                  You do not have information ...
                  Sorry, but I will not explain.
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    6. +5
      14 December 2019 14: 44
      It will be good if "Admiral Kuznetsov" survives until the dry docks of the 35th shipyard are combined and lengthened for it, work is underway and Promsvyazbank issued a loan for this. But the dry dock won't be enough. At the plant, for example, a mill for checking chains produced in 1938, a hydraulic pump of the same years. The 35th shipyard should be demolished completely, the old buildings were built at the end of the 40s and a new one should be built in its place.
      1. +5
        14 December 2019 15: 10
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        when the dry docks of the 35th shipyard are combined and lengthened under it

        Restore the course and return to the Black Sea Fleet. In the Kerch "Zaliv" it is quite possible to bring it to mind. In the north, it will simply rot. Roughly, repairs along with the construction of a new dock 35 of the SRZ are already worth 70 billion, excluding fire damage.
        1. +3
          14 December 2019 15: 11
          Sylvester hi Without a dry dock, it will not be possible to restore the course.
          1. +12
            14 December 2019 15: 29
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            Without a dry dock, it will not be possible to restore the course.

            badly. I read, there it is necessary to lengthen by 60-80 meters in rock. A very difficult task. It was necessary to drive him from Syria directly to Kerch, but alas ... hi
            Former Chief of the Main Staff of the Navy, Admiral Valentina Selivanova: “You can’t imagine the aircraft carrier’s parking in the North. An aircraft carrier is tens of thousands of tons of steel, hundreds of thousands of square meters of decks, cabins, hangars, compartments. It is simply unrealistic to warm it all on your own in the conditions of the northern winter! There, on the fourth or fifth deck of the step, knee-deep water due to fogging. He’s all frozen ... An aircraft carrier should not winter in the North. He dies there. ”
            They will count and say - it is better to have 5 "Gorshkovy" than one "Kuznetsov." Then the carrier-based aviation is crazy.
        2. +1
          14 December 2019 15: 38
          Quote: Silvestr
          Restore the move and return to the Black Sea Fleet.

          What tasks will you set for him at the Black Sea Fleet, where now coastal aviation controls the entire Black Sea from Crimean airfields? request
          1. +10
            14 December 2019 16: 12
            Quote: Piramidon
            What tasks do you set for him at the Black Sea Fleet

            training of carrier-based aviation pilots. Pilots are capable of fully combat training only if they have an aircraft carrier capable of going to sea, no THREAD can simulate a ship. How many pilots are there now capable of landing on deck day and night? For a year and a half, no one sits down or takes off from the Kuznetsov deck. How many pilots will remain in 2 years?
            The Chinese "Liaoning" turned into a "training aircraft carrier", which trains pilots for new aircraft carriers.
          2. 0
            14 December 2019 16: 15
            Quote: Piramidon
            What tasks do you set for him at the Black Sea Fleet

            All the tasks of Kuzi, like a TAVKR with an air group to carry out the tasks of air defense / missile defense and air combat, and which are hypothetically possible now:
            1. The Mediterranean Sea, first of all - the garage in the missile defense order off the coast of Syria or Libya.
            2. The Persian Gulf - a barage in a missile defense order off the coast of Iran.
            3. South China Sea - a barage in a missile defense / air defense order as part of the KMG.
            4. The Korean Strait - the Yellow Sea - the barage in the missile defense / air defense order as part of the Kug.
            5. The Caribbean - a barage in a missile defense order off the coast of Venezuela.

            As you can see, all 5 tasks are more convenient to solve based on Sevastopol
            Especially - actually thwarted combat mission off the coast of Syria.
    7. -2
      14 December 2019 14: 46
      Of course not. The steamer is big, we continue work ????? steamer ??
      1. +12
        14 December 2019 14: 51
        "Admiral Kuznetsov" is a real ship. One of the boilers from the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov". He has eight in total.
        1. +9
          14 December 2019 14: 53
          Old boilers ran out of life. They should be replaced by new high-pressure steam boilers KVG-4 of Russian production. The units were manufactured and delivered to the 35th shipyard in the spring and summer of 2018. The resource of eight KVG-4 boilers will be 25 years. KVG-4 was developed at least 30 years ago and to a certain degree is an anachronism, but it will be necessary to establish them, since small-scale (in the amount of 8 units) production of a fundamentally new boiler will not be justified.

          1. +6
            14 December 2019 15: 36
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            They should be replaced by new high-pressure steam boilers KVG-4 of Russian production.

            and what does the Chinese walk on?
            1. +10
              14 December 2019 16: 06
              Quote: Silvestr
              and what does the Chinese walk on?

              Also on boilers. Boilers of the aircraft carrier PLA "Liaolin"



              1. +12
                14 December 2019 16: 08
                Engine room of TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov".

                1. +4
                  14 December 2019 17: 18
                  Engine room of TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov".

                  Looking at these photos, you involuntarily remember ... Comrade I can’t stand the watch ...
                  1. +2
                    14 December 2019 19: 05
                    Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
                    Looking at these photos, you involuntarily remember ... Comrade I can’t stand the watch ...
                    Throwing a corner into the firebox is not about TAVKR. smile KVG4 and KVG4-1 boilers do not operate on solid fuel. Designs close to them, KVG3-GM and KVG2M-GM use natural gas or fuel oil of all grades, including fuel oil 100, as fuel.
                    Source: http://www.skbk.ru/produkciya/parovye_kotly_773/kvg3/
                    True, the latest KVG6M are already working on diesel fuel (Source: http://www.oborona.ru/includes/periodics/navy/2011/0607/12236491/detail.shtml), but it's still not coal. smile
                    1. 0
                      15 December 2019 16: 13
                      Quote: Herrr
                      Throwing a corner into the firebox is not about TAVKR. KVG4 and KVG4-1 boilers do not operate on solid fuel. Designs close to them, KVG3-GM and KVG2M-GM use natural gas or fuel oil of all grades, including 100 fuel oil, as fuel.
                      Source: http://www.skbk.ru/produkciya/parovye_kotly_773/kvg3/
                      True, the latest KVG6M are already working on diesel fuel (Source: http://www.oborona.ru/includes/periodics/navy/2011/0607/12236491/detail.shtml), but it's still not coal.

                      I’m not talking about coal at all, but about the pigsty that’s happening there. hi
                2. -3
                  14 December 2019 19: 21
                  And why is everything dirty and in fuel oil?
              2. +6
                14 December 2019 16: 14
                Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                Also in boilers.

                ours or ours? Worse or better?
                1. -13
                  14 December 2019 16: 25
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  ours or ours

                  And I can get to the lamppost laughing

                  Doctor, you asked something like that - I didn’t understand ... translate into Russian, if not difficult? wink
                2. +2
                  14 December 2019 17: 40
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Worse or better?

                  Ours are much better! love
                3. +5
                  14 December 2019 20: 01
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  ours or ours? Worse or better?

                  The construction of the "Varyag" was stopped at the beginning of 1992 with a readiness of 67,7%. On the ship, the installation of the machine and boiler rooms was completed, and the state of the energy compartments made it possible to receive power, start cranking mechanisms and conduct mooring tests. While the Varyag stood in Dalian, the Chinese removed one KVG-4 boiler and took it to the factory in Harbin, where they carefully studied and conducted comprehensive tests. It is likely that they brought the boilers to the desired condition, improved automation, modern electronic systems allow this to be done.
          2. +1
            14 December 2019 16: 03
            So he will not get rid of the previous problems ...
            1. +9
              14 December 2019 16: 23
              Apparently, it's not about the boilers. These are fully recommended, quite economical and efficient. With new automation and automatic control systems of power plants.
              The point is most likely how they are monitored and served.
            2. +1
              16 December 2019 17: 07
              Quote: Dikson
              So he will not get rid of the previous problems ...

              So it's not about boilers, but about operation. Compare our "steamers" pr. 956 and exactly the same Chinese ones - the Chinese have no complaints about the boilers.
              Kuznetsov's problems began when the fleet began to save on repairs. One epic with the replacement of tubes was worth what. Technique - it is iron, you cannot explain to it that have to wait: resource left - if you please change. And no orders and decrees can make a physically "killed" pipe work like a new one. Plus, there are problems with the preparation of the BCH-5 l / s, which is extremely important for boilers.
      2. 0
        14 December 2019 15: 05
        Apparently he will still be equipped with these wheels on the sides, well, which rake water (
      3. +10
        14 December 2019 16: 00
        Quote: alekc75
        Of course not. The steamer is big, we continue work ????? steamer ??

        It is a steamboat. Goes for a couple. All American aircraft carriers are also steamboats.
    8. -6
      14 December 2019 14: 46
      Repair work on the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" continues

      Well, we are all in the know ..
      But what is going on there in Israel, are they going to build an aircraft carrier? wassat Or will they whine in BV?
      I shouldn't have asked such a question, but just our "Kuzyu" has already been kicked ...
      I'm waiting for members of the forum "ours from Israel"
      I miss them, and they are silent .. crying
    9. -21
      14 December 2019 14: 50
      Cutting the tail in parts, it’s more profitable, it’s time to take a strong-willed decision and utilize this misunderstanding, which, like a bottomless barrel, absorbs resources of such a deficit in the Russian Navy, except for material damage, is reputable, but who will make such a decision? or who brings the truth to the one who must make this decision, and one person can make it, but he will not be up to Kuznetsov in the coming years.
    10. +5
      14 December 2019 14: 55
      It is necessary to restore the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" as soon as possible, this is already a question not only of the combat capability of the fleet, but also of the prestige of Russia.

      In order to prevent casualties and damage resulting from accidents at the TAVKR, it is necessary to tighten control over the progress of repair work on all ships in Russia.
      1. -11
        14 December 2019 15: 41
        And how can an experimental Kuzya affect defense capability?
      2. -9
        14 December 2019 15: 58
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        It is necessary to restore the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" as soon as possible

        What for? Some problems. It is already obsolete. Only "shob bulo"?
        1. +4
          14 December 2019 16: 12
          What for? Some problems. It is already obsolete. Only "shob bulo"?


          What is outdated there? How can a floating airdrome become obsolete?

          The TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" can be used both as an aircraft carrier and as a helicopter carrier and as a floating naval base with a headquarters and hospital.

          Russia needs aircraft carriers and it is necessary not to lose competence in their operation and use of carrier-based aviation, but on the contrary only to develop.

          Now in 2020 we are laying two helicopter carriers of the Mistral type, our shipbuilders will get their hands on them, and then they will lay aircraft carriers with nuclear power plants, 5 pieces for Russia are the same, 2 each for the Northern and Pacific Fleets, and one as a reserve for the case of repairs so that we have less than 4 aircraft carriers in service.

          And while they are gone, the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" will serve both as a warship and as a training base for our carrier-based aircraft.
    11. +3
      14 December 2019 15: 00
      The military perished, perished in the struggle for survivability, and this is sad! Concerning
      "parahod"
      alas, no other alternative is yet in sight. We can only hope that someone, for everything, will be responsible, including that at the end of the year, the "generals" guilty of the tragedy will remain without multi-million dollar bonuses from the USC.
      1. +6
        14 December 2019 15: 53
        Quote: Vladimir61
        the "generals" guilty of the tragedy, from the USC.

        Hard to believe.
        1. -1
          14 December 2019 16: 43
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Hard to believe.
          Yes, that's understandable. Although, to blame everything only on the "commander" is often also not correct, how many professionals "burned out", appointed by their superiors, as switchmen.
          1. +1
            14 December 2019 17: 07
            Quote: Vladimir61
            Although, to blame everything only on the "commander" is often also not correct, how many professionals "burned out", appointed by their superiors, as switchmen.

            This has already happened with the commander of the Yamal large landing craft.
    12. +5
      14 December 2019 15: 04
      A preliminary reason is that the spark from the welding gets into diesel fuel.
      Well, how can a spark from welding get to open "diesel fuel" is hard for people not connected with ships and ships to understand, but all the naval ones know that there should be no fuel in the areas of hot work, this is the law of ship repair. This means the most elementary slovenliness in the BC-5 and the unsatisfactory work of the "Factory Fire Protection". You can write a lot about this, I tried it yesterday, I read a lot of foolishness in my direction, etc. These are the usual everyday life of ship repair since the times of the USSR. For interest, read about the state of the MCO on "Admiral Kuznetsov" or a few words about smoke "article for 1916 and" Kuzya "on the go. https://alex-anpilogov.livejournal.com/157534.html
    13. +4
      14 December 2019 15: 05
      Well, I finished writing instead of 2016. wrote 1916, it's hard to get used to the "Two" in front.
    14. +8
      14 December 2019 15: 27
      TAVKR "Admiral Flota of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" (former names in the order of assignment: "Soviet Union" (project), "Riga" (bookmark), "Leonid Brezhnev" (launching), "Tbilisi" (tests)) - project ship 1143.5, the only one in the Russian Navy in its class, laid down in 1982, launched in 1985. This is the speed of construction! And then, when Gorbachev's "balalaika, accordion, hurray," what kind of completion was there, in 1991 they handed over to the fleet, and in 1994 only the first exit on the mission. This poor aircraft carrier has endured, experienced and felt the hard way that you are 37 year old residents of Russia. We must all pray to God that all his troubles are over, and that he would go into operation. This is our legend, like the English "Catty Sark".
      1. +4
        14 December 2019 15: 39
        Quote: tihonmarine
        TAVKR “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov” (former names in the order of assignment: “Soviet Union” (draft), “Riga” (tab), “Leonid Brezhnev” (launching), “Tbilisi” (testing))

        It is also called "a ship with a thousand names."
        Such a frequent renaming of the ship does not bring good luck.
        1. +4
          14 December 2019 15: 51
          Quote: Ezekiel
          It is also called "a ship with a thousand names."
          Such a frequent renaming of the ship does not bring good luck.

          The time was like that, and its fate is the same as human. We all went through the hard times and "Kuznetsov" with us. For me he is as alive as a person, with his sores and destiny. Don't hurt him.
          1. +2
            14 December 2019 15: 59
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Do not offend him.

            And no thoughts.
            It is not clear why there are no comments from the fleet.
            The silence of the admirals makes a painful impression.
            1. +5
              14 December 2019 16: 25
              Quote: Ezekiel
              It is not clear why there are no comments from the fleet.

              Admirals are waiting for the decision of the USC and SRH, and then, and only after that they will say what they will be allowed. Admiral's epaulette is not a lieutenant’s for you, sorry for losing your beloved.
          2. +2
            14 December 2019 22: 22
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Such a time was, and his fate is the same as human.

            It looks like mysticism. The “Soviet Union” does not want to serve the capitalists.
    15. +2
      14 December 2019 15: 30
      "" Until we enter the damaged compartments and carry out fault detection, I will not say anything "" Does he not understand ???? A fire, damage to metal structures, an electrician, and a lot of things ....... one gets the impression that if only the talking shop and funding did not stop ....., don't care about the dead, injured, crew members and the air wing ?????! Sabotage is in its purest form !!!
      1. +3
        14 December 2019 16: 01
        Quote: Alien From
        Sabotage is in its pure form !!!

        There is a more precise definition - gouging.
        1. 0
          14 December 2019 16: 08
          I agree, only the price is extremely high!
      2. -3
        14 December 2019 16: 25
        There is no air wing on board.
      3. +1
        14 December 2019 16: 33
        Quote: Alien From
        Sabotage is in its pure form !!!

        You see how simple, the main thing is to say "Sabotage!" So in the 30s, someone made such a "claim" and the Bodies raked in everyone. Then someone has a term of 10 to 25 years, and someone and "10 years without the right of correspondence."
        1. +2
          14 December 2019 16: 49
          We are talking about Kuznetsov, floating dock ..... now the fire .... what series of events?
      4. +2
        14 December 2019 17: 33
        Quote: Alien From
        Sabotage is in its pure form !!!

        Quote: Piramidon
        There is a more precise definition - gouging.

        A seventh sense suggests that in recent historical times this would be called wrecking.
        I do not know the conditions for the repair of the "AK" in the PD-50, but the fact that this floating dock was drowned with special cynicism for the sake of a penny benefit (reduction of the number of diesel operators on duty) is visible to the blind. A year of investigations and nowhere are there any refutations or explanations about:
        During the accident, one worker went missing and four suffered injuries of varying degrees of difficulty. Subsequently, one of them died in the hospital.

        Live Manturov sits and smiles on the forums ...
        They have already talked about heating the ship, but I note that on the Kola Peninsula the number of days with sub-zero temperatures prevails over the number of warm days ...
        And the last fire, as a result of which two people died and the fire was extinguished for about a day, as it turned out, according to some civilians, will not affect the timing of repairs ... belay
        Criminal negligence, sloppiness or masked sabotage?
        Quote: Alexey from Perm
        Even somehow scary for the cruiser, after all that happened.

        1. +6
          14 December 2019 19: 18
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Live Manturov sits and smiles on the forums.

          This one has done so much, but with him like a "goose ox". A complete mess and irresponsibility bordering on a crime.
          1. +1
            14 December 2019 19: 24
            Quote: tihonmarine
            like an ox goose.

            But there’s no passport, drive a coin, the pants floated away, he went to rinse ... wink
    16. +3
      14 December 2019 15: 47
      Even somehow scary for the cruiser, after all that happened.
      1. +2
        14 December 2019 16: 35
        Quote: Alexey from Perm
        Even somehow scary for the cruiser, after all that happened.

        Aircraft carrier heals wounds like a man. And he will serve his country.
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    17. 9PA
      +3
      14 December 2019 16: 23
      What is the low culture of production, incompetence or the general decline of our human potential?
      1. +2
        14 December 2019 17: 23
        What is the low culture of production, incompetence or the general decline of our human potential?

        Exactly. A friend of mine participated in the construction of the mining and processing complex, he is a pensioner, they carry his peers in his arms there, because there is no one else to build.
      2. +4
        14 December 2019 17: 39
        Quote: 9PA
        What is the low culture of production, incompetence or the general decline of our human potential?

        This (if we take a purely production process) is a violation of PTB during welding and the absence of the very obligation to observe this safety technique, as well as liability for the consequences ...
        I can tell you with 100% accuracy that the production process at Russian enterprises is organized to the detriment of TB. Why spend money if you can hire new workers or get another tranche (order) ...
      3. +4
        14 December 2019 19: 19
        Quote: 9PA
        What is low production culture, incompetence or general decline

        Both that and another, multiplied by a mess.
    18. +6
      14 December 2019 17: 28
      * Kose * it is clear that the work goes on. Because of one fire, even a large one, it would be strange to stop all work on such a large ship.
      Don’t go to your grandmother, now everyone got stuck in all the cracks. They dragged fire hoses, fire extinguishers of all types and types. If only not powder only ... (Well, this is my personal dislike).
      And with each welder / carver, there are three white helmets above the soul. Where have you been before ?!
      In a week, everything will be as it was. hi
      1. 0
        14 December 2019 18: 52
        Affects a lack of personnel. Where three military men should sit with each worker, one sat, who already has tasks above the roof. And the daily plan must be fulfilled, and they cut and saw without supervision.
    19. -3
      14 December 2019 17: 46
      The ship is big, we continue work.

      "Steamer"!
      Head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) Alexei Rakhmanov.

      Lord Save my homeland, I trust in you!
      1. +4
        14 December 2019 18: 21
        You are wrong for a moment. In a shipbuilding (well, in the so-called * slang *) all ships and vessels to the heap are called Steamboats !. Our brother also calls them dishes sometimes. This is not from not respecting them, but for brevity.
        Since usually at work all conversations are generally conducted with obscene expressions, moreover three-story ones, the head of the USC spoke quite culturally. In light of recent events.
        1. +2
          14 December 2019 18: 47
          I completely agree. And Kuznetsov is also called "box", "liner", you can also call "aircraft carrier".
        2. +1
          14 December 2019 19: 28
          Maybe. But "slang" is a highly specialized thing and, it seems to me, is of little use for public statements.
          With the word "steamship", the aircraft carrier is associated in the last place. Although formally, of course it is a steamer. Here for me, a purely land type, there is no difference between "ship" and "ship", "sail" and "walk", but there is a difference! So I'm wrong, I'm sorry, I do not feel, not for a minute, not for a second, at least minus me from head to toe. .. hi
          1. +4
            14 December 2019 20: 04
            Quote: Vasyan1971
            Here for me, a purely land type, there is no difference between "ship" and "ship", "sail" and "walk", but there is a difference!

            A ship is sailing, and a ship under the bed request
            Captains (long-distance sailing) swim and go to the Mother Earth and for themselves tongue
            Waiting for cons from the Sea Wolves !!! long-distance coastal swimming wassat
            Classic boot soldier
            1. +5
              14 December 2019 20: 54
              One more! God forgive me. What are the disadvantages ?! Everything is correctly stated. hi
          2. +3
            14 December 2019 20: 48
            In this regard, yes, I agree.
            Well, do not judge strictly so Comrade Rakhmanov. Especially since I'm generally a term-steamboat spary always and everywhere. Well, what can you do, a habit. A sub-bathyscaphes and I name it.
            And by no means do I even have a minus in your thoughts. Moreover, I personally plus. Everyone has the right to their vision. We do not have America what tea!
            1. +1
              14 December 2019 21: 13
              Quote: Petrol cutter
              by no means do I even have a minus in your thoughts.

              This is me about guardians of naval traditions in large quotes laughing He served in Murmansk and had a chance to see enough of such fool For half a day they will go to the Kola Bay in tow, and in the evening wearily go to the city as a crap .... duck: waddle and flare on the asphalt am Ugh ...
              1. +1
                14 December 2019 21: 34
                Quote: Ruslan67
                This is me about guardians of naval traditions in large quotes

                Halfunrrrra! wassat
                1. +2
                  14 December 2019 21: 38
                  Quote: Vasyan1971
                  Halfunrrrra!

                  Did they hit them again?
              2. +4
                14 December 2019 21: 37
                Well, compass and report is a naval holy laughing
                Oh Murmansk- Murmansk what are you doing to me ?! There was-hated. Not in Murmansk itself. In Vyuzhny / Snezhnogorsk. Right now ZATO Aleksandrovsky is somehow called that. Now, I miss those edges.
                In the movie you look at the hills ... Ba, but I was here! Well, or the same. Nostalgia however. The days are harsh. After all, there is something to really remember.
          3. +1
            15 December 2019 00: 55
            . Steamer - a vessel equipped with a reciprocating steam engine or a steam turbine as a traction engine.

            Formally, Kuznetsov is a ship, oddly enough
            And the fact that the word steamboat is associated with a primitive old ship in the majority does not change the formal side
    20. +2
      14 December 2019 21: 53
      tihonmarine (Vlad), dear, for your comments - many thanks! In 1999, Severodvinsk was glad that the work was pulled for many years ahead and put to the berths. But they got on the ships, examined them and immediately was born: "Well, what for India has so many pots ?!" After all, tears then welling up in my eyes, looking at the three "admirals" ... "Gorshkov" has been reborn and serves, "Nakhimov" is slowly but reborn, "Kirov" only the poor fellow has been rotting for many years, now at the pier of "Zvezdochka" ... tihonmarine (Vlad), you have patience and optimism, when optimism is almost zero, please remember that you have to live in Russia for a long, long time and patiently, because in our small country - the former USSR, there are many of those whom you love and who love you ...
      Gas cutter (Vitaly), dear, in Severodvinsk everything is steamers and orders: ships and ships, furniture for ships and ships, and piers, and bridges, and oil platforms, and propellers, and propellers, and fish hatcheries, and floating a plant for herbal vitamin flour, and an underwater house, and stands for testing weapons and ammunition, and a launch pad for the Angara rocket, and even diesel locomotives of Russian Railways under repair. The only exception is Zvezdochka diamonds.
    21. +1
      15 December 2019 01: 32
      And what is cheaper when he stands and drowns a floating dock and fires occur, or when he goes to sea and in a week 2 planes drown when landing? (Last trip to Syria).
    22. 0
      15 December 2019 12: 04
      Wow, what did diesel in such quantities do at a deep-repaired facility?
      1. +2
        16 December 2019 17: 36
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        Wow, what did diesel in such quantities do at a deep-repaired facility?

        It was. smile
        This is "Kuznetsov", for him 10 tons of fuel - "yes there was something at the very bottom."
        TAVKR "Kuznetsov" - our ship is unique. So last week, while washing the personnel in the bath, they unexpectedly found 200 tons of first-class aviation kerosene, which they lost in combat service four years ago.
        © Admiral's mouth

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