Boeing finally abandoned the development of a new US ICBM

The American company Boeing made the final decision to withdraw from the Pentagon to develop a new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) to replace the Minuteman III. This is stated in the statement of the company.

The decision to refuse the tender for the development of a new ICBM was made on Friday, December 13. The only contender for the development of the rocket and the subsequent delivery of its American army was Northrop Grumman

Boeing disappointed that they could not submit an application

- The company said in an official statement.

The withdrawal of their application for participation in the program for creating a new American ICBM at Boeing was announced at the end of July this year. According to available information, the corporation was not satisfied with the terms of the competition for the creation of a rocket.

As previously reported, the US Air Force announced in mid-July this year a tender for the development of a new ICBM and the creation of five samples of a new missile by the end of next year. Two American companies, Boeing and Northrop Grumman, have submitted applications for participation in the project, which have already received three-year rocket design contracts in 2017. It was assumed that the US Air Force will have a choice of which of the two missiles to adopt and order its mass production.

The US Air Force GBSD (Ground-Based Strategic Deterrent) program, from which Boeing came out, suggests a gradual replacement of all 2027 land-based ICBMs Minuteman-450 from 3 of the year and is estimated at 85 billion dollars.

The reason for the refusal of Boeing to participate in the program is the company's inability to compete with Northrop Grumman on the American market of solid propellant rocket engines (TTRD). It is reported that earlier NG acquired the company Orbital ATK, which occupies a leading position among the suppliers TTRD.

Comments

[Chaldon48]

Everything goes to the point of having to announce a tender for a trampoline.

[Pravdalyub]

Quote: Chaldon48

Everything goes to the point of having to announce a tender for a trampoline.

Rogozin to help them - his technology, otherwise they can not see anything!

[Victor_B]

Quote: Truthfulness

Rogozin to help them

This is possible.
But Solomon’s - no way!

[papuasimus]

Serdyukov to help them

[rufaqn]

It went unnoticed, but Rogozin for Europe had proposals for brooms.

[Jack O'Neill]

They will do Northrop Grumman ICBMs, there is no doubt, especially after the acquisition of Orbital ATK.
I think that Boing would lose anyway, so nothing has changed.
I want to quickly see what Northrop Grumman will do. Very interesting!

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

I want to quickly see what Northrop Grumman will do. Very interesting!

Strange, for us, experiences! And the third world, quickly, do not want to see?

[Atomic cosmic]

Man states a fact! If he praised the Russian / Iranian / North Korean MBR, then of course you would not have spoken about World War III?

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Atomic Cosmic

Man states a fact! If he praised the Russian / Iranian / North Korean MBR, then of course you would not have spoken about World War III?

Which fact? One fact, he is in the comment -

Quote: Jack O'Neill

I want to quickly see what Northrop Grumman will do. Very interesting!

Maybe both of you are interested ... Personally, to me, no! The Americans raised the Russian Federation to the rank of their main adversary. Any of their successes in the field of armaments is not an exhibition of VDNH, it is a threat to our country!

[Alex777]

Look at it from the other side: it is interesting to see how much money will be taken by non-alternative development?
And they also need: INF, laser, military space, bulk purchases of the F-35, an increase in the fleet to 355 pennants ...
Even in America, the navel will be untied from such expenses.

[Atomic cosmic]

The threat to your country is not they, but officials led by the irremovable!

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Atomic Cosmic

The threat to your country is not they, but officials led by the irremovable!

Threat your country, interesting.
If you are lost, alien, then do not teach me how to live, in my country, in your own, Russian, media space!

[Jack O'Neill]

Maybe both of you are interested ... Personally, to me, no!

So why are you then imposing your thoughts on others? Well, you are not interested, well, please. Why bomb from this?

The Americans raised the Russian Federation to the rank of their main adversary.

You flatter us. The main enemy of the United States is China.

[Jack O'Neill]

Strange, for us, experiences! And the third world, quickly, do not want to see?

Interesting you ...
They put the RS-24, but there’s no 3rd World War. The same Minuteman when put, then again no 3rd world.
So you write, what were you guided by when you wrote a comment? What makes you think that the Americans will start the 3rd world? How will they accept the new ICBM?

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

What makes you think that the Americans will start the 3rd world? How will they accept the new ICBM?

And where did you get the idea that this is exactly my train of thought like yours?
I expressed myself clearly and clearly - if you are interested in looking at the future successes of the United States in the field of armaments, then read with interest both the military doctrine of the United States and its undoubted ally of the United Kingdom, which allow the use of a preventive strike regardless of whether they are attacked or no. They initiatively in the first strike can use nuclear weapons. Including, even in response to unobvious, non-military threats (for example, cyber attacks).

[Tsoy]

Quote: Vladimir61

if you are interested in looking at future successes of the USA

And who said that it will be a success? I’m not a urapatriot, but guessing about the US military-industrial complex now is like guessing at the coffee grounds.

[Jack O'Neill]

And where did you get the idea that this is exactly my train of thought like yours?

0_o Where am I writing this? For some reason, you are sure that as the Americans develop a new ICBM, you will certainly begin the 3rd world.

If you are interested in looking at the future successes of the United States in the field of armaments, read with interest the US military doctrine and its undoubted ally of Great Britain, which allow the use of a preemptive strike of independence whether they are attacked or not.

Well? Why hasn't Minetman yet flown into my yard?

They initiatively in the first strike can use nuclear weapons. Including, even in response to unobvious, non-military threats (for example, cyber attacks)

That is their right. But where did you get the idea that they would strike at Russia after the development of a new ICBM?

[Voyager]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

So you write, what were you guided by when you wrote a comment? What makes you think that the Americans will start the 3rd world? How will they accept the new ICBM?

Let's start with the fact that the Russian Federation and the United States have completely different doctrines of the use of nuclear weapons. More precisely, Russia, unlike the United States, according to its doctrine, will use strategic nuclear weapons exclusively in response and for defense purposes. From this we can conclude that the US doctrine with regard to nuclear weapons is noticeably more aggressive. That is, the United States is a more aggressive "monkey with a grenade" than the Russian "monkey with a grenade", hence the emergence of new and more effective ICBMs in the United States is an undesirable factor for the rest of the world.

[Atomic cosmic]

Please show the doctrine of the Americans! I kind of remember that their doctrine is a retaliatory strike! There, too, are not fools.

[Voyager]

I do not know what doctrine you remember, but the doctrine adopted in 2005 allowed the use of nuclear weapons in other countries as preventive strikes.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/policy/dod/jp3_12fc2.pdf

And in February 2018, an updated version of the document entered into force, which outlines the priority of the development of also low-power nuclear weapons, as well as declares the possibility of a nuclear strike response to an attack by non-nuclear weapons.

In addition, the States from this moment may consider the possibility of using nuclear weapons in "exceptional circumstances to protect the vital interests of the country, its allies and partners." It sounds very blurry, because the decision will be made by high officials with untied hands.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4365395-2018-Nuclear-Posture-Review-Final-Report.html

You are right that it’s not really fools who sit there, because they accept documents that are most convenient for themselves. They can afford it.

[Okolotochny]

They showed you. Then you will argue that the enemy of Russia is GDP, and the Americans are white and fluffy? Are you from these, the words of Zakharova “grunting”?

[Voyager]

Americans destroy the Russian people with their policies, as evidenced by mortality and other consequences of the demographic pit that arose after the collapse of the USSR. The main role in this was played by the USA, which exerted economic pressure and intervened in the internal affairs of the USSR (and now this is repeated). As a result, the number of victims among the Russian population is the largest since the Great Patriotic War. But the Americans are not averse to destroying missiles if they had such an opportunity, because it’s not new for the United States to use nuclear weapons against the population, is it?

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Saddam Hussein is a dictator and enemy of the Iraqi people, the Americans said, before you tear Iraq to shreds, you understand me

[Jack O'Neill]

Strange as it may seem, the counter-strike is also a defense. Those. for defense we can let the first go. It depends on how you interpret it.
The fact that the policy of using nuclear weapons is different does not mean that they will start the 3rd world after the adoption of the new ICBM.

[Voyager]

I did not say that they would certainly begin to attack with nuclear weapons, but there is such a chance and it is much greater than the chances that other countries will do it. Firstly, such a precedent on their part was already, for them it is not a novelty. Secondly, they are preparing in every way possible for this ground, trying to build a global missile defense system, ideally to protect themselves from a retaliatory nuclear attack.

Those. for defense we can let the first go. It depends on how you interpret it.

And you interpret it as it is written, and not bother. I have given a specific difference in doctrines and in the USA it is the most aggressive. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of a threat to the existence of the state.

[Jack O'Neill]

I didn’t say that they would certainly begin to attack with nuclear weapons, but there is such a chance and it is much more than the chances that other countries will do it

There is a chance that Zhirinovsky will come to power and the first will crash in the USA or China.

Firstly, such a precedent on their part was already, for them it is not a novelty.

It was a test. Then no one knew what kind of weapon and what the consequences would be.
After, oddly enough, the United States did not use nuclear weapons against other countries, such as North Korea or Vietnam, or Iraq.
Although yes, some generals wanted to gasp for S. Korea. But these are individual people. Look, take the same Zhirinovsky, more than once he talked about turning the USA into radioactive ashes.

Secondly, they are preparing in every way possible for this ground, trying to build a global missile defense system, ideally to protect themselves from a retaliatory nuclear attack.

They would be fools if they had not developed their strategy. But this does not mean that they will start the 3rd world.
We, too, were actively preparing for the march in Europe, but fortunately this did not happen.

And you interpret it as it is written, and not bother.

Legally, there is a huge scope for interpretation.

The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in case of a threat to the existence of the state.

But isn't the US nuclear arsenal threatening the existence of Russia? Here is the reason for the first blow.


I offer you a bet: if the United States strikes in Russia within 5 years, then I will send you 1000 rubles, and if the United States does not strike us in these 5 years, then 1000 rubles from you. Do you agree?

[Voyager]

Firstly, if the United States or Russia, no matter who, strikes, then you won’t send me 1000 rubles, even if you miraculously stay alive - the Internet and all services will cease to exist. Even at this level, your bet is pointless.
Secondly, I repeat to you that I did not claim a mandatory attack by the States through nuclear weapons.

It was a test. Then no one knew what kind of weapon and what the consequences would be.

I hope you're kidding right now? Do you really think that the American military had no idea how the dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki would come back? A good scientific experiment worth 200 thousand civilians.

After, oddly enough, the United States did not use nuclear weapons against other countries, such as North Korea or Vietnam, or Iraq.

Nothing strange, because nuclear weapons at that time were already in service with several countries.

But isn't the US nuclear arsenal threatening the existence of Russia? Here is the reason for the first blow.

As long as nuclear parity exists - no, it does not threaten. It is on parity that the world, guarded by the understanding of mutual destruction, is held. The adoption by the United States of a new strategic and, especially, tactical type of nuclear weapon increases the chance that it will be used and the balance will begin to crumble. And again, the threat to the existence of the state and all the pursuit of its geopolitical interests are completely different scales of interpretation options. And I will not even comment on the kindergarten about Zhirinovsky.

[Jack O'Neill]

Firstly, if the United States or Russia, no matter who, strikes, then you won’t send me 1000 rubles, even if you miraculously stay alive - the Internet and all services will cease to exist. Even at this level, your bet is pointless.

Well, when I meet on the Elbe I will convey.) It is not necessary to translate. Yes, and through friends in the trench can be pushed.) The main fantasy.)

Do you really think that the American military had no idea how the dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki would come back?

To have a real idea of ​​what will happen, you need to do this. The landfill is one thing, and the real goal is another.

Nothing strange, because nuclear weapons at that time were already in service with several countries

In our 49th bomb appeared, if I’m not mistaken. So the Americans could well, even given the fact that they had not so many charges. For the destruction of institutions and industry would be enough.

As long as nuclear parity exists - no, it does not threaten. It is on parity that the world, guarded by the understanding of mutual destruction, is held. The adoption by the United States of a new strategic and, especially, tactical type of nuclear weapon increases the chance that it will be used and the balance will begin to crumble.

Of course. But the Americans want to have an advantage, which is understandable and logical. And when they receive it (if they receive it), then it’s not at all a fact that they’ll fuck it.
But to use it politically, then yes.

[Voyager]

To have a real idea of ​​what will happen, you need to do this. The landfill is one thing, and the real goal is another.

Polygons exist to create conditions as close to real as possible. In the United States, entire artificial settlements were built with infrastructure and inhabited by mannequins for the destruction of nuclear bombs as an experiment. Before dumping in Japanese cities, the Americans conducted tests directly with nuclear explosions on their territory. Do you still sincerely believe that the result and consequences of a real blow to the residential areas of Hiroshima and Nagasaki could not be predicted?

So the Americans could well, even given the fact that they had not so many charges. For the destruction of institutions and industry would be enough.

They not only could, but gathered, bearing various plans within a few months after the surrender of Japan. There were a lot of reports and lists of targets on directly Soviet territory and they changed one by one. The problem was that the number of combat-ready bombs was not enough for the full implementation of each of the planned operations, and the Allies feared that instead of experiencing demoralizing horror, the inhabitants of the Soviet Union would feel solidarity and would respond as much as possible with all available forces, especially in an accessible Europe.

Quote: Jack O'Neill

But the Americans want to have an advantage, which is understandable and logical. And when they receive it (if they receive it), then it’s not at all a fact that they’ll fuck it.

I said this earlier. And he explained why this is undesirable and increases the risks of global conflict.

[Jack O'Neill]

Polygons exist to create conditions as close to real as possible.

And experienced in the desert.

In the United States, entire artificial settlements were built with infrastructure and inhabited by mannequins for the destruction of nuclear bombs as an experiment.

A few dozen houses can not be compared with the city.
And the blast wave is one, and ion radiation is another!
Many effects were "discovered" already in the late 50s. For example, the destruction is strongly influenced by air humidity.

Do you still sincerely believe that the result and consequences of a real blow to the residential areas of Hiroshima and Nagasaki could not be predicted?

Yes, because it is a fact.
Really, much was learned only in the 60s, thanks to a series of tests, both in the USA and here.

They not only could, but gathered, bearing various plans within a few months after the surrender of Japan.

The fact that the amers had plans is quite logical. Do you think the Union did not have in its pocket a plan of war with the Allies?
Such plans are self-evident.

The problem was that the number of combat-ready bombs was not enough for the full implementation of each of the planned operations, and the Allies feared that instead of experiencing demoralizing horror, the inhabitants of the Soviet Union would feel solidarity and would respond as much as possible with all available forces, especially for an accessible Europe.

It is quite reasonable.

I said this earlier. And he explained why this is undesirable and increases the risks of global conflict.

Of course undesirable. A lot of things are undesirable for Russia. But we cannot influence many things.
The Americans will continue to develop missile defense in order to have an advantage over another nuclear club, an advantage that they can use. But again - this does not mean that they hit us with this advantage.

[Voyager]

A few dozen houses can not be compared with the city.
And the blast wave is one, and ion radiation is another!
Many effects were "discovered" already in the late 50s. For example, the destruction is strongly influenced by air humidity.

Here again. You claim that the Americans conducted a test of nuclear bombs in real combat conditions without having any idea about the possible victims, realizing that there will be from about one hundred to three hundred thousand? Or was it just done for the purpose of analyzing more or less?

Do you think the Union did not have in its pocket a plan of war with the Allies?
Such plans are self-evident.

I think not, the Union had no plans for an offensive war with the Allies. After the 45th, the USSR was not in that state either physically or mentally. Defensive measures - yes, but these are fundamentally different things.

A lot of things are undesirable for Russia. But we cannot influence many things.

I said for the whole world, and not just for Russia, because the doctrine of application, I repeat, the United States is now the most aggressive. Each country pursues its own goals and interests. What goals do you think the United States has pursued since withdrawing from the ABM Treaty? With building this system and modernizing strategic and tactical weapons?

[Jack O'Neill]

Here again. You claim that the Americans conducted a test of nuclear bombs in real combat conditions without having any idea about the possible victims, realizing that there will be from about one hundred to three hundred thousand? Or was it just done for the purpose of analyzing more or less?

They assumed, but did not know.
And the incendiary bombings claimed much more lives, against the background of which "Kid" and "Fat Man" are simply insignificant in terms of the killed people.

I think not, the Union had no plans for an offensive war with the Allies. After the 45th, the USSR was not in that state either physically or mentally. Defensive measures - yes, but these are fundamentally different things.

Defense also means war with someone. Everyone understood that today bros, and tomorrow ...

I said for the whole world, and not just for Russia, because the doctrine of application, I repeat, the United States is now the most aggressive. Each country pursues its own goals and interests. What goals do you think the United States has pursued since withdrawing from the ABM Treaty? With building this system and modernizing strategic and tactical weapons?

The US wants to have an advantage in the event of a war with Russia; they want to intercept as many missiles as possible to reduce damage.

[mark2]

That's how it flies in, so look.

[Jack O'Neill]

That's how it flies in, so look.

Minuteman can fly, and Trident, and JL-2. A lot of things can fly at any moment.
So why will the new American ICBM arrive? Are you a psychic, you know in advance? You tell me, do not be shy!

[Atomic cosmic]

You can argue or is it another ...... patriot cheers?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

I think Boing would lose anyway

But in the 60s, Boeing issued rockets "to the mountain", a piece a day. That's for sure, riveted them like "sausages", were ahead of the rest. Now what, blown away? I doubt that NG will do something "decent". As they say, we will see ..

[bessmertniy]

Market competition has reached its climax. Competitions for the development of new ICBMs are no longer needed if only one company participates in them. Although, indeed, this competition could be made international. And both Russian and Chinese companies could participate in it.

[den3080]

Quote: bessmertniy

Market competition has reached its climax. Competitions for the development of new ICBMs are no longer needed if only one company participates in them. Although, indeed, this competition could be made international. And both Russian and Chinese companies could participate in it.

Kim Jong-un would have won in an international competition for the creation of ICBMs. Especially if he was instructed to conduct Russian officials in the framework of 223-FZ.
Really incomprehensible ??

[bessmertniy]

Yes, it’s probably not possible to find cheaper North Korean ICBMs today. For the sake of Juche ideas, the North Koreans work almost for free.

[Pavel57]

I think the Korean top likes the Korean model of economic organization very much. Slave labor is very cheap, and with ideological pumping quite effective.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

The Korean model is half the battle, the second half of success is that Ukrainians are selling off the legacy of the "sworn scoop" for a cheap price, apparently within the framework of decommunization

[Krasnodar]

Quote: bessmertniy

Market competition has reached its climax. Competitions for the development of new ICBMs are no longer needed if only one company participates in them. Although, indeed, this competition could be made international. And both Russian and Chinese companies could participate in it.

It is better to organize Russian or Chinese acceptance for American products. )))

[bessmertniy]

And acceptance and accommodation, and use! So that from our launches these ICBMs can successfully return to the USA

[Krasnodar]

Enough acceptance. To not fly out)).

[iConst]

Quote: bessmertniy

Market competition has reached its climax.

Or, more precisely, the "market" system has shown its inconsistency in the area of ​​extremely specific high and even more military technologies.

Now the guys from Grumman, in fact, can ask for any money. As a joke about two convicts who decided to play out of boredom in the market.

Conclusion: Both tightly regulated and extremely free systems have their pros and cons. Gold, as always, is in a reasonable middle.

[Thrifty]

I don't believe that Boeing would refuse such a dough in a fair fight! Obviously there are blackmail and bribery - the whole "assortment" is shorter, they were used against them! A capitalist who has given up tens of billions of dollars is already a fantasy, or a person who is trying to build communism!

[Blackmokona]

Bribery and other wrestling is a double knife, Northrop and Boeing are on an equal field here. But the creation of ICBM Northrop is a cut above thanks to the purchase of Orbital.

[iConst]

Quote: Thrifty

Apparently there is blackmail and bribery

Zrada zradnaya and no life in life ...

[Atomic cosmic]

Are you talking on the basis of Russian experience?

[Starper-xnumx]

And here in Russia the "vanguards" are already on duty .. and "Petrels" are possible .. So gentlemen, the ocean will not save you this time ..

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Starper-777

So gentlemen, the ocean this time will not save you ..

It will save ... For one of our atomic trains, the Americans gave 50 trident ...

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Mordvin 3

For one of our nuclear train

It seems info goes that everyone restored ..
But Sakharov, I remember, suggested that the US coast be fired with atomic torpedoes and one general (I won’t say his name) called him a maniac .. heh heh

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Starper-777

But Sakharov, I remember, suggested that the US coast bombard atomic torpedoes

He didn’t offer it, it’s Zhinka Evo, a Jewess ... Do you have a wife, Vital, also a Jewess?

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: Mordvin 3

It was not he who proposed, it was Zhinka Evo, a Jewess ...

His wife then took it into circulation and they took revenge on the USSR for everything .. hehe She propiarized him well, as a dissident (she even kept walking in a quilted jacket, etc.) It’s a pity the man was smart as a scientist ..A so henpecked died ..

Quote: Mordvin 3

Have you, Vital, also a Jewish wife?

God forbid heh heh .. The first Khokhlushka is an errand pancake .. ugh .. The second with Polish blood is bitchy, but faithful
I’ve got good guys from them, so it's a sin to complain
If I had a Jewish wife, I would probably sit in the State Duma or in Israel spit and swear, like Maz..ha ha ha

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Starper-777

God forbid hehe heh ..

Well, thank God... And then somehow one Jewess was glued, barely carried away her legs ...

[Sergej1972]

He married Bonner much later.

[den3080]

Quote: Starper-777

And here in Russia the "vanguards" are already on duty .. and "Petrels" are possible .. So gentlemen, the ocean will not save you this time ..

“Over the gray plain of the sea, the wind collects clouds. Between the clouds and the sea the Petrel proudly roars, a black lightning similar.
Either touching the wing of the wave, then flying up to the clouds with an arrow ... "
Gorky was a tokruche of Wangi :)) if you strain your imagination.

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: den3080

Gorky was a tokruche of Wangi :)) if you strain your imagination.

Well, Wang of Russia predicted a great future, after all the tests of the next .. It seems to be coming true!
But Gorky described the restless Russian soul tossing about ..

These are the things with the submarines of Russia!

[KCA]

And will they also replace the IBM System / 360 with 8-inch floppy disks in the control system? No, we don’t have flash drives either, with me the flight tasks were transmitted with punched tape with holes, but the hole in the tape is normal, and the hole in such a diskette is ...

[den3080]

there is also a hole in the center of the diskette, sort of ... not?

[KCA]

At 8 "there is one more, normal one, 2 millimeters in diameter, to track the rotation of the disk, in 1989 in the USSR they stored archives on them, well, how they kept them, everyone knew what to count, God forbid, it would turn out% 30, or even just floppy disks in the trash, miraculously there were 5.25 and 5MB screws, but this is already with the arrival of personal computers.

[Fraracol_2]

The first Minuteman with such diskettes has not been around for 50 years.

[KCA]

So the 3rd one was standing on the database, so it is, running / 360

[Dzafdet]

Yes Yes. Here the girl scored to break a hole and the first Satan collapsed into the mine. Dangerous business is punched tape: it reads, then it doesn't ... They swam, we know ..

[KCA]

I, frankly, stood next to the R-161, I am the commander of the R-145, but so that a punched tape with errors suddenly went from the ZAS "Flywheel", this is, dear, PPC, thermonuclear war

[Valery Valery]

Boeing finally abandoned the development of a new US ICBM

Karma will be cleaner !!!

[rufaqn]

Boeing is kind of dizzy with success, "effective managers" are not only in Russia, it is necessary to try to fail the program of modernization of the most massive and successful middle line B737. Well, Musk will apparently "bury" them in space. Well, their main splinter is Lockheed with the F35, which will eventually become the most massive fighter in the world, well, for a couple of decades at least, and taking into account modernizations, probably more

[Deathmaker]

will not bury. The mask of NASA was put on her lips, and Boeing was allocated a boble to speed up work.

[rufaqn]

Lobbyism in the United States is legal, but Boeing seems to have structural problems of an overgrown aging organism and it seeks to collapse under its own weight IMHO.

[voyaka uh]

It's right. Boeing has grown too much. And lost innovation
vein. They are retreating on all fronts: in military fighters and in
space, and in airliners, and now in the BR. And lobbying has ceased to help.
For now, he has to "smash himself" into independent energetic companies.

[kpd]

It’s a pity that Elon Musk is not participating, otherwise he would have tried to push a reusable missile there ...

[Okolotochny]

Yeah, with the returned warhead)))

[faterdom]

Well, that means you can’t develop. The antitrust authority should ban and fine NG somewhere on a half-budget.
Well, they were constantly pushing us about the "hand of the market".

[Kirill Dou]

You were somehow badly pressed for economic theory. Antitrust law is precisely the opposite of the "invisible hand of the market."

[Vasyl K.]

In Russia, it’s cheaper to buy! Is not it so?

[Basarev]

Who ever thought to entrust a private shop to produce nuclear weapons? Shouldn't it be a state monopoly? Ideally, in general, any development, production and sale of weapons should be strictly in the hands of the state, so that the sacred principle, one of the pillars of statehood, is the state’s monopoly on violence. Only the state has the right, and if one of the citizens dares, he is a criminal and must be punished.

[horus88]

since only the state has the right, they’ll sell the MBR to the side somewhere.

[Blackmokona]

In the USA, everything is transferred to private hands, and they are not against giving up the army. Over in Afghanistan, the military PMCs guard.

[Deathmaker]

Private transfer of the uranium enrichment project ended happily - there is no more enrichment in the USA: o)

[Blackmokona]

Really?

URENCO Group is a company engaged in the enrichment of uranium for use as fuel at nuclear power plants. Owns uranium enrichment facilities in Germany, the Netherlands, the UK and USA.

https://urenco.com/
On their website celebrate the existing plant.
https://urenco.com/global-operations/uusa

[Kirill Dou]

Yes, the acquisition of Orbital ATK for Northrop has become very profitable

[svp67]

The only contender for the development of the rocket and the subsequent delivery of its American army was Northrop Grumman

Well, didn’t Ailon Musk adhere to it?

[Kirill Dou]

Well, didn’t Ailon Musk adhere to it?

- What side does Musk relate to ICBMs? He makes space launch vehicles, not intercontinental ones. Or do you not see the difference between them?

[svp67]

Quote: Kirill Dou

- What side does Musk relate to ICBMs?

And with what side did he begin to relate to missiles? Since it is interesting and they promised money, and why is the ICBM not a profitable business?

[Blackmokona]

Because he saw how much rockets were being sold, when he wanted to shoot a conservatory on Mars, he saw how terribly bent the prices were and decided to make his own. After the first successful launch into space was completed, NASA drove up with a contract

[Kirill Dou]

Quote: svp67

Since it was interesting and money was promised

- he had a completely different motivation. And certainly he would not undertake this business, if it was money, rather, on the contrary, he would run away from rocket science wherever they look.

[bar]

Campaign Boeing had big problems. It started with 737 MAX 8, now this. The campaign is blown away by a Boeing.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

"I couldn't do it ..." Something is heard more and more often in the USA. The influx of highly educated specialists from Europe, Russia and China to America has dried up.

[faterdom]

Quote: Kirill Dou

You were somehow badly pressed for economic theory. Antitrust law is precisely the opposite of the "invisible hand of the market."

We were forced to "Two in one bottle". When it is convenient for us, we bring down on the invisible hand of the market, they say it has deprived all "unwritten lazy people and alcoholics", on the other hand, with perseverance worthy of better use, we bring down and dismember the production chains established for decades, downsize RAO UES, cut up some commercial firms inside Russian Railways etc...
And what is interesting - in both cases, we nod to the United States, they say, as they have!
And they are not quite so. Or rather, not at all. What is good for Boeing is good for America. There are no sentiments, and no rules!

[Old26]

Quote: Vladimir61

Maybe both of you are interested ... Personally, to me, no! The Americans raised the Russian Federation to the rank of their main adversary. Any of their successes in the field of armaments is not an exhibition of VDNH, it is a threat to our country!

And for me personally, as a techie, it's also interesting. Design solutions are always interesting. What will Northrop do at the same time to replace the Minuteman, what performance characteristics will they have? How comparable will they be with the performance characteristics of our Yars-S type ICBMs and later Will it be a missile with a MIRV or a monoblock, mobile or stationary? Questions (interesting ) lots of.
Any of their achievements is yes, a threat. But to close our eyes to this and say, we are not interested in what they will do there - sorry - stupid. You must always keep your finger on the pulse, and not only at home, but also at the enemy

Quote: Thrifty

I don't believe that Boeing would refuse such a dough in a fair fight! Obviously there are blackmail and bribery - the whole "assortment" is shorter, they were used against them! A capitalist who has given up tens of billions of dollars is already a fantasy, or a person who is trying to build communism!

In vain. Boeing still relies on liquid systems and they relied more on space systems than on combat systems. Most likely, the Boeing leadership figured out that nothing shines for them in this tender and they just left. will be engaged in "space".

Quote: Starper-777

And here in Russia the "vanguards" are already on duty .. and "Petrels" are possible .. So gentlemen, the ocean will not save you this time ..

Alive in the future? NONE OF ROCKETS with such a BO have been put on duty yet. And "Petrel" - well, of course, already given. Like a hundred Poseidons already. Vitalik!! Live in the real world, not in the "pink"