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What do the new XM1299 self-propelled guns show?

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Actual view of the XM1299 self-propelled guns. Photo by Twitter.com/lfx160219


Currently, the United States is developing a project for a promising artillery system with increased firing range ERCA (Extended Range Cannon Artillery). One of the results of this project is an experimental self-propelled gun XM1299 with a new type of gun XM907. The Pentagon regularly publishes information about this project, but this time it is about a leak. Two new XM1299 self-propelled guns of interest have appeared in unofficial sources.

American SPG and Chinese blogger


Two photos of self-propelled guns were published on December 11 on Twitter by a blogger under the nickname 笑脸 男人 (Smiley). As his location, he indicated to Beijing that, however, it did not hinder to get and for the first time publish completely new photographs of a promising American combat vehicle.

Judging by the depicted "mise-en-scenes", photographs were taken during certain working events. Perhaps, soon after the armored car returned from test firing - this is evidenced by soot on the muzzle brake and near the exhaust pipe. However, the details are unknown.

Apparently, a certain participant in the ERCA project - military or civilian personnel - without appropriate permission, took a couple of photos “for themselves”. Then, in some ways, these files fell into the hands of a Chinese (?) Blogger. It is possible that the Pentagon is already investigating and trying to establish the source of the leak - unless, of course, it was planned. Meanwhile, photographs of a promising object have already been distributed on the Internet, and it is not possible to remove copies of them.

New features


It should be noted that the US Department of Defense in recent months has repeatedly officially published photos of the XM1299 self-propelled guns at the training ground in different circumstances. The public showed self-propelled guns independently and in comparison with an existing model of the same class; also known photos of the XM907 guns shot. A slide from the presentation, showing the architecture of self-propelled guns and its main components, has long been known.


Tower and gun mount close-up. Photo by Twitter.com/lfx160219

However, the new photos are of great interest. You may notice that over the past time the prototype received some new instruments and devices. In addition, fresh photos clarify the well-known appearance of XM1299.

Noticeable differences


The new photo shows an experimental self-propelled guns of a known configuration. It has an armored “six-rink” chassis of the existing type (the car is also tested on a platform with seven pairs of rollers), on which a completely new tower with a promising gun is installed. At the same time, some differences are noticeable, showing the continuation of work and the development of the project.

You may notice that in recent months, the XM1299 has received additional side screens on the hull and turret. Overhead armor plates on the frontal parts are also noticeable. Side screens are covered with identification marks in the form of several characters on board the hull. Screens of this kind are used on armored vehicles to enhance protection against bullets, shells and fragments. At the same time, it is unclear how exactly the level of protection of the new self-propelled guns is increased in comparison with its predecessors.

The turret and the gun mount did not seem to change, but a new unit appeared on the latter. On the casing of the recoil devices a certain rectangular block of small dimensions is noticeable. Judging by the shape, size and location, this is a radar antenna. The airborne radar system can be used both as an additional sight when shooting direct fire, and as a projectile speed meter. In light of the tactical role of XM1299, the second option is the most useful radar application.


US Army's recent official XM1299 photo

New photos clarify the configuration of the access means to the tower - to crew seats and to internal units. As already known, on the roof of the tower, on the starboard side, there is a round hatch with a machine gun mount. Previously, it was made in the form of a low turret with a rotating installation. Fresh photos do not have a turret, and machine gun mounts are located directly on the roof of the tower.

In the center of the roof there is a low superstructure, the roof of which is made in the form of folding hatch panels. The back panel in the photo is folded up and back. On the side of the superstructure is a block of blinds. Probably, the presence of a superstructure is associated with the dimensions of the gun mount and the XM907 gun itself. Hatches in her roof, respectively, the need for access to arms.

The XM1299 turret has a large-sized aft niche - presumably, it contains mechanized ammunition laying. In older photos of the experimental self-propelled guns, the sides of the niche have some protrusions or hatches. The “new” self-propelled gun does not have such devices. What it is connected with is unknown.

For obvious reasons, a couple of new photos do not allow us to evaluate the internal changes of the armored car. Also, the pictures do not touch on the topic of promising ammunition caliber 155 mm - a key element of the ERCA program.

Project development


It is worth recalling that photos of the armored object in a similar configuration, but without some details, appeared in the middle of this year. Over the past time, the experimental equipment has been supplemented and improved, which brings closer the moment of achievement of all the required characteristics.


Fire tests of self-propelled guns. Photo US Army

It should be noted that both the former and the present form, the experienced XM1299 self-propelled guns are noticeably different from what was previously featured in Pentagon presentations. Moreover, in today's configuration, the technique is a kind of transitional link between the first prototypes and the expected equipment.

The similarity of the new prototypes and the three-dimensional image of the XM1299 is due to the presence of an overhead reservation, the new configuration of the commander (?) Hatch, as well as the installation of new devices from the fire control system. In the future, probably, the installation of a combat module with a machine gun for self-defense, antenna devices and some other devices is required.

Noticeable benefits


Most of the innovations of recent months, reflected in the new photos, are related to increased survivability and operational characteristics. Only one visible refinement should affect the main combat performance of self-propelled guns.

The appearance of a radar to track the flight of the projectile on the initial part of the trajectory allows you to make corrections to the aiming and increase the accuracy of the fire. Such a system is an important and necessary addition to other fire control tools. As far as is known, the XM1299 self-propelled guns employ a modern digital SLA capable of providing effective shooting in all given range ranges. In particular, it includes a ballistic computer and a programmer for transmitting data to GOS projectiles.


The ultimate XM1299 look and self-propelled components. Figure US Army

For the XM907 gun, new guided active-rocket shells XM1113 and XM1155 are being created. To date, the experimental gun was able to send prototype shells to a range of 70 km. In the near future it is planned to bring this parameter to 100 km. To solve such problems, not only a new gun and shell are needed, but also appropriate fire control equipment.

It can be assumed that the installation of new devices is directly related to the conduct of further tests, the purpose of which will be a new increase in range and accuracy. However, the presence of a radar will be useful when working at any range, up to the minimum.

Record Product


To date, the ERCA program and the XM1299 self-propelled guns have solved part of the tasks. Moreover, the experimental products already set records for firing range - their characteristics are almost twice as high as the parameters of serial weapons. At the same time, the development of the project continues, and experienced equipment receives new devices and assemblies.

Since the ERCA program is a real cause for pride, the Pentagon regularly talks about its successes and publishes various materials. However, this time new information on the project appeared in unofficial sources. And thanks to the anonymous Smiley, we know what is happening with the XM1299 self-propelled guns and how its development has been carried out in recent months.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 16 December 2019 06: 00
    +8
    Yes, the long "trunk" of this "unit". I wonder what his resource is? And the "base chassis" is "short", how do they solve the problem of quick damping of the swing when fired? I think there will be answers soon ...
    Apparently, a certain participant in the ERCA project - military or civilian personnel - without appropriate permission, took a couple of photos “for themselves”.
    Chinese woman cleaning lady?
    1. loft79
      loft79 16 December 2019 06: 21
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      Chinese woman cleaning lady?

      No, Chinese non-tech)

      And, in general, it is interesting how useful the device "radar as a projectile speed meter" is.
      1. svp67
        svp67 16 December 2019 06: 45
        +5
        Quote: loft79
        And, in general, it is interesting how useful the device "radar as a projectile speed meter" is.

        Effective enough, but expensive. Yes, he can not only track speed, but also track the trajectory at the initial stage, and mean and facilitate adjustment
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 December 2019 09: 47
        +6
        Quote: loft79
        And, in general, it is interesting how useful the device "radar as a projectile speed meter" is.

        Very effective.
        With this particular placement and inclusion in the ASUNO, it allows you to quickly enter corrections for the deviation of the initial speed in the next shot

        We, unfortunately, are deaf with this.
        Despite the fact that industry has been offering such stations for a long time, MO officials prefer to save
        The old Soviet ABS-1M (1B23M), which were present in the amount of one per division, seemed to be replaced by new UAABS (1B66). Although not a fact.
        And further, the toad does not make it possible to make artillery more accurate.
        1. svp67
          svp67 16 December 2019 10: 44
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Despite the fact that industry has been offering such stations for a long time, MO officials prefer to save

          The fact is, there was such a station on the experimental ob. 195, but on the "Armata" "the toad crushed" ...
        2. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 16 December 2019 23: 50
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          We, unfortunately, are deaf with this.

          But isn't he standing on the Coalition-SV?
          Moreover, I came across two types of photos:


          In the photo from the parade, the radar is in a transport position.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 17 December 2019 00: 18
            +1
            Quote: Bad_gr
            radar in transport position.

            Here, probably, I’m also mistaken that on the roof behind the gun is just a hatch, and the locators are only those that are on the sides of the gun.
            In the "military acceptance" I found a video where the Coalition is shooting at the range:

          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 December 2019 09: 30
            0
            No, this seems to be a full-fledged ballistic radar. Similar counter-battery. Performing the function of sighting.

            A similar system was part of the ACS of reactive units equipped with German MLRS. Well, the Israelis after them equip their MLRS with this.
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 16 December 2019 06: 28
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      how do they solve the issue of quick damping of the buildup when fired

      Yes, easily: nothing. It is necessary to extinguish quickly at a high rate of fire, but as we were shown by amerskie shooting, there is something to insert a "piston", and tie a lace, time is necessary for the car. This is not "two hundred twenty two, nna ..." laughing
      1. svp67
        svp67 16 December 2019 06: 46
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        but as we were shown amerskie shooting, there is something to insert a "pistonchik", but tie a lace, time is necessary for the car.

        And this weapon is also "cap-loading" or did you switch to a cartridge-case one?
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 16 December 2019 07: 31
          +2
          Judging by the picture in the article, loading has remained "separate with variable charge". But the introduction of a wedge gate implies at least a pallet for obturation.
          1. svp67
            svp67 16 December 2019 08: 17
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            But the introduction of a wedge shutter implies at least a pallet for obturation.

            Not only, but also the rejection of the "caps" and the transition to the "sleeve" ... So that the rate of fire will increase and nothing will have to be "inserted" there ...
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 16 December 2019 08: 26
              0
              Nothing is said about the sleeve, but the picture shows two charges, one is most likely minimal, the second is some kind of "super", but the intermediate ones will be variable. By the way, on the video Work loaders M109a6 "Paladin" vs self-propelled guns "Msta S" it is clearly seen that the M-109's minimum charge is a tough, completely burning object; the tongue does not turn it into a cap.
              I don’t give a link, there is a risk that moderators will not miss.
              1. svp67
                svp67 16 December 2019 08: 28
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Nothing is said about the sleeve

                If applied wedge shutter, then this is definitely a sleeve,
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 16 December 2019 08: 30
                  0
                  Or a pallet. Yes, and this concept is "separate cartridge case loading with variable charge", and variability is only handles. )))
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 16 December 2019 08: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Or a pallet.

                    This is the same "sleeve", or rather a part of it. That is, what already has a capsule, caps do not have it. There, the capsule sleeve is inserted into the body of the gun, into the same bolt on the M-109, and this is clearly visible in the shooting video
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 16 December 2019 08: 35
                      +1
                      I will not argue, we will converge on a shortened sleeve. wink
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 16 December 2019 08: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        I will not argue, we will converge on a shortened sleeve

                        Then on the "partially combustible sleeve"
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 16 December 2019 10: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: svp67
                        Then on the "partially combustible sleeve"

                        No sleeve. Modular loading
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 16 December 2019 11: 16
                        +4
                        Though.....
                        I joked and found it.
                        Apparently, everything is even more interesting. They decided to keep modular loading. But the last will be charged a special module "XM659 Stub Charge" "Plug" with apparently a capsule sleeve.
                        Well or long, made in a single unit long-range XM654

                      4. svp67
                        svp67 16 December 2019 13: 30
                        0
                        Very interesting photo. It looks like shells for tank guns. Maybe unified?
                        Capsules in fireproof pan good
                        So the wedge shutter is clear how it works
                      5. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 16 December 2019 23: 57
                        +1
                        It’s not very similar to the conveyor, and a lot of free space next to the trays is visible. Unclear.
                      6. svp67
                        svp67 17 December 2019 04: 27
                        0
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        It’s not very similar to the conveyor

                        Conveyor, conveyor, tape visible. Take a closer look, tape with pushers. The movement of the belt, at this angle, clockwise, is a typical conveyor belt, they are similar on tanks. And the place is free, so the machine is experienced, who knows what they can then fill it with, maybe they will supply it, or maybe they will fill everything with PPO balloons
                      7. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 December 2019 09: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        It’s not very similar to the conveyor, and a lot of free space next to the trays is visible. Unclear.

                        https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CluelessOblongCalf-mobile.mp4
                      8. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 17 December 2019 14: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        It’s not very similar to the conveyor, and a lot of free space next to the trays is visible

                        Boeuklaka MSTA-s.



                        Tight wall-to-wall layout. And in the top picture ((Lopatov) Yesterday, 11:16) the tower building to the right continues, and the combat deployment has already ended. Or is there another one? Do we have a conveyor with charges and shells located one above the other, and this one is spaced horizontally?
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    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 December 2019 09: 56
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      If a wedge bolt is used, then this is definitely a sleeve,

      ?
      "Nona", "Vienna"
      1. svp67
        svp67 16 December 2019 10: 04
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        "Nona", "Vienna"

        The shutter is combined, semi-automatic with a wedge locking mechanism and plastic shutter of powder gases.
        And how reliable is it, this obturator and how long does it last? NONA is still a mortar-howitzer and so I think that the pressure in the chamber there is lower than in this American "device", and much lower
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 December 2019 10: 11
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          and plastic shutter of powder gases.

          ... like Banja
          So-so-stricken. Requires careful maintenance when shooting.
          1. svp67
            svp67 16 December 2019 10: 42
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Requires careful maintenance when shooting.

            This NONA is some kind of "wunderwaffe", all our conversations with you are reduced to discussing it, and the further, the more amazed, what kind of "magician and wizard" came up with it?
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 16 December 2019 10: 58
            +3
            Quote: svp67
            what "magician and wizard" came up with it?

            http://indbooks.in/mirror6.ru/?p=211933
            http://indbooks.in/mirror6.ru/?p=274331
          3. svp67
            svp67 16 December 2019 11: 40
            0
            Quote: Spade
            http://indbooks.in/mirror6.ru/?p=211933
            http://indbooks.in/mirror6.ru/?p=274331

            hi
          4. Sergey_G_M
            Sergey_G_M 16 December 2019 13: 22
            0
            2S9 NONA is a great car, the piston bolt is of course, but the adjustable suspension is something, it drops onto the belly in general the little one becomes!
            And again, the specifics - a rifled mortar, for some reason sailors like shells, and land mines
            - FIG knows why both of them decided so.
            And what kind of modern fashion went mortars to put light mortars on the chassis, 2C9 has been running since 81 and ours already think that it has started to become obsolete, and everyone else says that this is the very buzz of fashion - it is not clear request
          5. karabass
            karabass 19 February 2020 20: 58
            0
            They say that in the ammunition NONA has standard shells, but in war they shoot only mines - shells are a terrible shortage
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 16 December 2019 09: 48
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    And this weapon is also "cap-loading" or did you switch to a cartridge-case one?

    Modular.
    That is, "cap in a new manner." Like the "Coalition"
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 December 2019 09: 54
      +1
      hi
      Quote: Spade
      That is, "cap in a new manner." Like the "Coalition"

      And how to achieve complete sealing of the breech when using a wedge lock, without a pallet?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 December 2019 09: 59
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        And how to achieve complete sealing of the breech when using a wedge lock, without a pallet?

        There are methods.
        However, why immediately "wedge"?
  • karabass
    karabass 16 December 2019 15: 34
    0
    And what kind of charge is better cartridge, shell or what?
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 December 2019 16: 14
      0
      Quote: karabass
      And what kind of charge is better cartridge, shell or what?

      All of them are good, but it is believed that with a saber loading, they achieve some kind of economy.
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 16 December 2019 06: 30
    0
    But of course there are ways, to plant on the belly, the suspension there is tougher to do during the shooting.
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 16 December 2019 08: 10
    +3
    As I recall from the course on information protection, according to the degree of information leakage, the cleaners go in 3rd place, after managers and specialists.
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 December 2019 08: 37
      +2
      Quote: Cottodraton
      As I recall from the course on information protection, according to the degree of information leakage, the cleaners go in 3rd place, after managers and specialists.

      And at the same third gathering her, after the bartenders and taxi drivers
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 16 December 2019 14: 16
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        And at the same third gathering her, after the bartenders and taxi drivers

        EMNIP, illiterate cleaners were specially hired to work in the Manhattan project.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 17 December 2019 00: 06
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          illiterate janitors were specially hired.

          Once upon a time in the "13 Chairs" from the newspaper they read an advertisement:
          "Requires a typist who cannot read
          (for reprinting classified documents). "
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 16 December 2019 08: 13
    0
    Good morning. I also noticed the disproportionately long barrel. I also thought: a little longer and you need a cable-stayed support, as on German weapons of the First World War ("Paris gun" or what?))))
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 December 2019 08: 22
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      a little longer and will need cable-stayed support, as on German weapons of the First World War ("Paris cannon" or what?))))

      No, metallurgy, in terms of creating new gun alloys, have already gone far and such support is clearly not needed for this trunk yet, although it was not in vain that I took an interest in the issue of barrel survivability, no matter how good steel is, but it still has thermal bending, and it’s always increased wear, and given its length, then questions, questions, questions
      1. Sergey_G_M
        Sergey_G_M 16 December 2019 09: 34
        0
        And yes and no, metallurgy and chemistry yes, but also electronics, but still now all the impacts when firing are taken into account: the speed of the projectile from the barrel, taking weather data into account, the curvature of the barrel with different heating of the barrel, the heat-insulating linings on the barrel (for artillery tanks xs) and the main thing is to make sure the volley is accurate and not substitute, while artillery works fine on this parameter.
      2. Sergey_G_M
        Sergey_G_M 16 December 2019 10: 01
        +5
        svp67 - heh artillery problems are solved differently, and not everything depends on the material of the barrel
        Consider a modern art system:
        - radar measuring projectile departure speed

        Inertial navigation system - quite accurately and with a panoramic sight you don’t need to dance
        After that, a longer barrel is technologically more complex and not so profitable.
        I'm not talking about the temperature sensors of gunpowder in a shell, programmable barrel wear, etc.
        And I love domestic artillery - and it is objectively very good, but with garlic both automation and control are rather weak ((
  • venik
    venik 16 December 2019 14: 00
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    And the "base chassis" is "short", how do they solve the problem of quick damping of the swing when fired?

    =========
    By reducing the practical rate of fire !!! wassat
    Well, in fact, if this "mandolin" can fire more than 3-4 shells per minute - I will be extremely surprised .... well, in 15-20 seconds - as in that joke: "Everything will calm down" ....
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 29 September 2020 09: 22
    +1
    And the "base chassis" is "short", how do they solve the problem of quick damping of the swing when fired?

    Offhand, the option with retractable supports suggests itself.
  • dokusib
    dokusib 16 December 2019 06: 55
    +3
    And what about this "weevil" with mobility in general and purely with geometric cross-country ability in particular? Or, on the march, the trunk is lifted up like a mast into the sky? The same is somehow doubtful this decision if such a shaft always hangs at the top.
  • knn54
    knn54 16 December 2019 07: 27
    +1
    "Their" answer is "Coalition".
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 December 2019 10: 03
      +4
      Quote: knn54
      "Their" answer is "Coalition".

      8)))))
      This is "their answer to their own toad."
      laughing
      And the "Coalition", on the contrary, is the answer to the American self-propelled guns "Crusader".

      She was the first in this generation.
      1. Sergey_G_M
        Sergey_G_M 16 December 2019 10: 17
        +2
        Well, to be honest, this is more of an advertising / experimental sample, it works well with an ammunition feeding machine

        If the advertising husk is thrown back, then not really. Ameryrs puffed out their cheeks, but then were blown away and about the crusider silent))
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 December 2019 10: 23
          +1
          Quote: Sergey_G_M
          Well honestly it's more advertising

          ?
          No, a completely normal working model of self-propelled guns with fully automatic loading. Then there was NLOS-C.
          Now here is the next approach / cut ...
          1. Sergey_G_M
            Sergey_G_M 16 December 2019 11: 06
            +2
            In fact, when they say that the Germans do not clean their trunks with bricks, unfortunately we still have this (and (
            Sawing or not is another matter.
            It is worth recognizing that in electronics we are behind ((
            We have shitty charge temperature sensors, barrel wear, weather sensors, fuses, etc.

            On the other hand, the military budget of France or Germany is about 50 billion and we have about the same !!
            And then the question is, where did they eat so many shrimps and mussels with steaks in comparison with our corrupt officials?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 16 December 2019 11: 11
              +2
              Quote: Sergey_G_M
              We have shitty charge temperature sensors, barrel wear, weather sensors

              We don't have that. Battery thermometer and slam-shut device are not considered "sensors"

              ACS weather sensors are not needed. And the weather stations we have are quite on the level.
              1. Sergey_G_M
                Sergey_G_M 16 December 2019 11: 23
                +1
                "ACS meteorological sensors are not needed. And our weather stations are quite up to par."
                In principle, they are needed as auxiliary, in comparison with self-propelled guns they are cheap, the sensors themselves are not very good, it is difficult to torit them and the indications are floating.
                I agree with you yes, and one self-propelled guns rarely works, but damn sometimes I get tired when in the comments they write that this is garbage and, like in a toy about tanks, you can get into the tank, and when moving from artillery, I’m fucking straight from it and my hair is on end, damn these rimbos I won right out of the house do not go out (((
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 16 December 2019 11: 31
                  +3
                  Quote: Sergey_G_M
                  In principle, they are needed as auxiliary, in comparison with self-propelled guns they are cheap

                  Meaning?
                  For the "auxiliary" for the eyes, one meteorological kit with a radar for determining wind parameters is enough (1B65 + 1B67)

                  1. Sergey_G_M
                    Sergey_G_M 16 December 2019 12: 10
                    +1
                    It’s very nice that the dialogue is conducted with you by a dialogue specialist and possibly an operator of systems, thank you for participating in the dialogue (dispute, or how else to call it, very often many forum users on and generally on the Internet write nothing at all, just to speak out )
                    Yes, the fact that there is a system like (1B65 + 1B67) is good, but it needs to be developed further - now they are making new demands on self-propelled guns (self-propelled guns are still a very expensive thing, it’s tracked self-propelled guns (about wheeled ones).
                    So the chassis is expensive - well, let's add sensors - well, after all, the sensors cost a penny, rough terrain - so here you have computers and a digital map of the terrain, folds of the terrain and a divisional meteorological complex beyond the pass - you have your own computer and meteorological sensors, you move on the march and from a stop you have to shoot - no problem! INS, an inertial navigation system, we shoot almost on the move - the panorama is not needed - anochronism)) (well, that it costs a third of the ACS - but it's cool - you can control it from an iPhone !!) - So it turns out the American "Crusider", well, there are also automatic loaders we will also add a machine for reloading, it's hi-tech and not Russian lapotniki - this is not a New Year's firecracker for you))
                    And it’s so expensive, but if it’s about new systems, it’s very expensive (and this is without fashionable active-reactive ammunition with homing heads, GPS and some garbage)
  • Graz
    Graz 16 December 2019 07: 31
    +2
    mobility with such a long barrel is doubtful, and it will be very difficult to mask it
    1. venik
      venik 16 December 2019 14: 07
      +1
      Quote: Graz
      mobility with such a long barrel is doubtful, and it will be very difficult to mask it

      =======
      Reminds of a "bearded" anecdote about "new Russians", when one "goblin" shows his new "hacienda" and boasts a panas telecom made of a solid piece of gold .....
      - So HOW TO WATCH IT? (guest is surprised) ..
      -! (the owner is indignant) - such "TV set" - DO NOT WATCH !!! Such a "TV" - SHOW!!!!
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 16 December 2019 07: 35
    0
    Let's say this unit really hits 100 km. As in my opinion, the excessive length of the trunk, and there is no supporting device. How does this monster move? I think for him it is necessary to build a special road, on rough terrain he will immediately roll over ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 16 December 2019 08: 30
      +4
      and also a question with a shell - by stuffing electronics and a jet propulsion - what will remain of the charge? horseradish for 100 km without much impact?
      1. svp67
        svp67 16 December 2019 08: 38
        +1
        Quote: novel xnumx
        and also a question with a shell - by stuffing electronics and a jet propulsion - what will remain of the charge?

        By increasing the length, and hence the volume, there is enough space for everything
        1. novel66
          novel66 16 December 2019 09: 02
          +2
          it means that the price of the shot is increasing, and the question is - what kind of goal should it be to justify the use of a kind of wunderwaffle
        2. Sergey_G_M
          Sergey_G_M 16 December 2019 12: 30
          +1
          No, not enough to shoot at 100 km you need navigation in a GPS projectile (if the GOS and ANN then nothing will remain from the BB) and correction by aerodynamic or gas rudders.
          Everyone is watching GPS advertising posters - an excellent system against the Indians 150 years ago.
          Come on! can now be applied in central africa! Well, where the enemy has EW, it will not work, so what - but how exactly!

          There are options for 100 km:
          OTR let;
          Cover with a hurricane / tornado;
          Shoot from artillery mounts.
          (Well, all sorts of different things - to launch drones, ask for aviation to fly, there are many options)
      2. psiho117
        psiho117 17 December 2019 03: 39
        0
        Quote: novel xnumx
        What is left of the charge?

        1) The projectile is large (2 times longer than normal)
        2) the powder charge is also much larger - reports a high beginning. speed, and a long barrel helps with this
        3) guided projectile - and like any guided munition, it should compensate for the possible reduction in power with increased accuracy.
        Something like this hi
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 December 2019 08: 28
    +5
    Have fun. However, some kind of excessive enthusiasm for record parameters can play a cruel joke with the developers. Such a move ... On the battlefield, on rough terrain, on a railway platform - how is it?
    1. novel66
      novel66 16 December 2019 09: 02
      0
      only as coastal defense, otherwise it makes no sense
      1. Sergey_G_M
        Sergey_G_M 16 December 2019 12: 44
        +2
        As coastal defense doesn’t do the same, you won’t get along on boats that will succumb, large ships don’t need to get so close, and landing ships will go with cover there, this self-propelled gun will not work or will end quickly
    2. PilotS37
      PilotS37 19 December 2019 09: 10
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Have fun. However, some kind of excessive enthusiasm for record parameters can play a cruel joke with the developers. Such a move ... On the battlefield, on rough terrain, on a railway platform - how is it?

      I look at it and remember "Mouse" ... With its "difficult fate": the car never visited the battle, and killed its own crew - so that the enemy, that is, we, would not get it ...
      But even this did not really work out - it is now in the "Patriot" ...
      Well, the Germans: there was a war in which they were already losing - extraordinary decisions were needed ...
      But who are you fighting with now? !! - Judging by impeachment - with ourselves ...
  • Yrec
    Yrec 16 December 2019 09: 27
    +4
    Self-propelled guns with such a gun cannot be placed on a standard railway platform, and it is simply not possible to smuggle it on public roads - you need to severely restrict movement, or even simply block it. In this regard, the wangyu - mattresses will have to revise the format of the artillery brigade towards a strong increase in the transport component. Shooting at a distance of 70-100 km seems a rather dubious pleasure - the power of a special projectile will be at the level of the usual 76-85 mm, and it will be intercepted by object-based air defense without problems, the projectile flies along a simple ballistic trajectory, at the peak of its reach the stratosphere. It seems like you can’t be afraid of counter-battery fire due to range, but in modern combat, enemy artillery is not the only threat. At a price such a projectile is comparable to an RZSO missile.
    1. prodi
      prodi 16 December 2019 15: 47
      0
      Yes, shooting at 20km with an ordinary medium-caliber projectile seems more than sufficient in terms of accuracy. It’s better to invest in managed, active-reactive and their quantity
  • Lontus
    Lontus 16 December 2019 14: 45
    +3
    Radar for tracking projectile flight on the initial part of the trajectory
    - a very useful system.

    But the very way to increase the range of the barrel artillery is a dead end.
    Accuracy drops very much.
    Even worse, it is in the active rocket version.
    Which is also much more expensive.

    If you try to improve accuracy using a guided projectile,
    then the high cost becomes prohibitive - no less than a guided missile with comparable characteristics.

    The meaning of barrel artillery is precisely the cheapness of a shot compared to missiles.
    To increase its value is absurd.
    The main advantage (cheapness) is lost, but a new one is not acquired - more precisely, missiles will not work.
    In addition, PU missiles are easier and cheaper than artillery mounts - they can be used more flexibly and deploy covertly.
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 17 December 2019 03: 42
      +2
      Quote: Lontus
      If you try to improve accuracy using a guided projectile,
      then the high cost becomes prohibitive - no less than a guided missile

      And they don’t learn anything bully It seems that the situation with the shells for the guns of the "Zumvolt" was abruptly lost, before reaching the ears of the army generals ...

      Well, in fact, everything is easier - lobbying, peeling ...
  • Sergey79
    Sergey79 21 December 2019 16: 36
    0
    ABS is indisputably the right thing for every gun. But at such ranges, the errors of meteorological training will carry enormous weight. Yes, even if they are minimized, it is still inflicting a fire defeat with the definition of installations for shooting without shooting will be a little effective. The use of targeted corrections will also give in 50 cases out of 100 a deviation of the battery center of dispersion of shells within 400 meters, and in other cases up to 1600 meters. There is a target adjustment, and even there the median error is 240 meters. I'm afraid to guess about the dispersion of shells, but I suppose that it is huge. Thus, the use of conventional, unguided ammunition will be ineffective. Therefore, at a distance of 50 km only UAS ....
  • nnz226
    nnz226 3 March 2020 17: 35
    0
    A long barrel is good for firing range, but how long will it swing after each shot? the charge is increased, the projectile departure speed is also, the fluctuations should be long, no adaptations for extinguishing them are visible ....