Tankman about the war in Afghanistan

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These days, Russia and the republics of the former USSR recall the date of the entry of troops into Afghanistan. The official start date of that war is the 24 of December of the 1979 of the year - in a few days the 40 anniversary will come up.

Despite the fact that the Afghan war for our country, if I may say so, has died out relatively recently (although the country is no longer on the world map), by and large we know little about it. Frankly - quite a bit. But in the country there are tens of thousands of direct participants in the armed conflict, which today's historians are trying to assess.



One of those who performed the international duty in Afghanistan is the Makhachkala resident Magomed Khadulaev. He gave an interview to Tactic Media.

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You were a teenager, it was time for military service. Would you like to join the army?

Magomed Khadulaev:

Military service was and, hopefully, will be a necessary, necessary condition for entry into adulthood.


A participant in the Afghan war talks about how they brought the dead guy, the first to be called up from his yard.

Magomed Khadulaev:

It was a closed topic, under a black and black blanket. It was ajar as follows: he died in the performance of international duty.

The Soviet tankman Magomed Khadulaev tells about the everyday life of the Afghan war, about his participation in it:

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    1. +13
      14 December 2019 04: 20
      So, calmly, without unnecessary emotions, truthfully about your life ... Thank you for what you did for this story too ...
      1. +3
        14 December 2019 09: 52
        Quote: svp67
        So calmly, without unnecessary emotions, truthfully about his life ...

        I have a friend. Komroty, I lost my legs in Afghanistan. "Vovan, what were we doing there?"
        1. +3
          14 December 2019 19: 40
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          I have a friend. Komroty, I lost my legs in Afghanistan. "Vovan, what were we doing there?"

          I will say that such a question was asked by many people at that time, and especially in the military environment, although they did not discuss it out loud. According to the stories of those officers who were there at that time, a completely different picture of the Afghan war developed, but there was a strict ban on discussing this topic, which is why no one expressed their point of view. I only recall that initially the top military leadership of the country was against the introduction of troops, but members of the Politburo did not want to reckon with this opinion. Now we can talk about this without hiding anything, which is why the participants in that war tell everything honestly and without embellishment.
          1. -5
            14 December 2019 19: 43
            Quote: ccsr
            that is why the participants in that war tell everything honestly and without embellishment.

            They tell everything honestly. And as drugs were taken in coffins ..
          2. +3
            15 December 2019 18: 50
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            I have a friend. Komroty, I lost my legs in Afghanistan. "Vovan, what were we doing there?"

            I will say that such a question was asked by many people at that time, and especially in the military environment, although they did not discuss it out loud. According to the stories of those officers who were there at that time, a completely different picture of the Afghan war developed, but there was a strict ban on discussing this topic, which is why no one expressed their point of view. I only recall that initially the top military leadership of the country was against the introduction of troops, but members of the Politburo did not want to reckon with this opinion. Now we can talk about this without hiding anything, which is why the participants in that war tell everything honestly and without embellishment.

            If someone in the "military environment" asked such questions, then they should not have been there. Entering the VVUZ, everyone seemed to understand that orders were not discussed.
            1. +3
              15 December 2019 20: 08
              Quote: Doliva63
              If someone in the "military environment" asked such questions, then they should not have been there. Entering the VVUZ, everyone seemed to understand that orders were not discussed.

              Not everything is as simple as it might seem to you - the "international duty" is not spelled out in the oath, because there were such words: "I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Motherland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a warrior of the Armed Forces , I swear to defend her courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing my blood and life itself in order to achieve complete victory over enemies. "
              As you can see, the oath did not oblige to fulfill the international duty on a foreign land, legally only volunteers could do it.
              It is known that at that time several officers (of all armed forces) refused to go to Afghanistan, so they could not even be punished, since this was not a military misconduct. True, their career ended here, and they are unlikely to have been forgiven for this, but the fact itself is indicative.
              1. +4
                15 December 2019 20: 17
                Quote: ccsr
                Quote: Doliva63
                If someone in the "military environment" asked such questions, then they should not have been there. Entering the VVUZ, everyone seemed to understand that orders were not discussed.

                Not everything is as simple as it might seem to you - the "international duty" is not spelled out in the oath, because there were such words: "I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Motherland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a warrior of the Armed Forces , I swear to defend her courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing my blood and life itself in order to achieve complete victory over enemies. "
                As you can see, the oath did not oblige to fulfill the international duty on a foreign land, legally only volunteers could do it.
                It is known that at that time several officers (of all armed forces) refused to go to Afghanistan, so they could not even be punished, since this was not a military misconduct. True, their career ended here, and they are unlikely to have been forgiven for this, but the fact itself is indicative.

                My friend, to tell the old warrior for the Oath - is it necessary? I asked many times at 40 OA, but as a "native speaker" I served in the GSVG. And "refuseniks" of this kind have no place in the army.
                1. +2
                  15 December 2019 20: 28
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  My friend, tell the old warrior for the Oath - is it necessary?

                  Not everyone from the current generation knows her at all, and I’m writing for them.
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  I asked many times at 40 OA, but as a "native speaker" I served in the GSVG.

                  I know that many people refused for various reasons. At the beginning of the deployment of troops, several people submitted reports, but the commander at the meeting said that no one should contact him at all on this issue, because if someone is needed, then he will decide who it will be. As a result, in only a few years only one company political officer left us, and even then he left us at the KGB, so he was simply let through Afghanistan to check on the case.
                  1. +2
                    15 December 2019 20: 41
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    My friend, tell the old warrior for the Oath - is it necessary?

                    Not everyone from the current generation knows her at all, and I’m writing for them.
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    I asked many times at 40 OA, but as a "native speaker" I served in the GSVG.

                    I know that many people refused for various reasons. At the beginning of the deployment of troops, several people submitted reports, but the commander at the meeting said that no one should contact him at all on this issue, because if someone is needed, then he will decide who it will be. As a result, in only a few years only one company political officer left us, and even then he left us at the KGB, so he was simply let through Afghanistan to check on the case.

                    But my 60-year-old father was invited to fly there. In December 79, while still a schoolboy, he was traveling with him on the military commissariat UAZ in Koltsovo, on a plane. I remember the track was blocked by armored personnel carriers. The port was empty and dull. Intriguing was the time. It’s a pity that it all ended so.
        2. +1
          15 December 2019 00: 26
          My father, in Afghanistan, from January 80th, in motor convoys (the brigade of the Ministry of Defense, Puli-Khumri) walked for 1,5 years on fuel trucks. One soldier, because of his slovenliness before the younger call, dropped a grenade with a torn check in the cockpit, he himself ... remained alive and well, and the guy remained crippled - who should be blamed? Moreover, according to the author of the book about that period, there were no combat losses during the year.
    2. +10
      14 December 2019 08: 11
      Literate guy. And not ponte
    3. +6
      14 December 2019 09: 03
      I looked with pleasure! Man, with what with his head, it is a pity that there are few of these!
    4. +1
      14 December 2019 11: 38
      There are a lot of good videos on that Youtube channel. This interview is one of many.
    5. +2
      14 December 2019 16: 45
      There would be more such MUZHIKOV. And everything would be in place. And thanks for Gorbachev!
    6. +2
      14 December 2019 17: 33
      Strong. Capacitively. And he said about Humpback - Hammer.
    7. -2
      14 December 2019 21: 41
      I agree 100%. The main enemy of Russia and Ukraine, I myself from Ukraine, is overseas ... and a number of their henchmen in the Old World. Unfortunately, the Russian authorities bought into a provocation overseas ... and gave rise to reasons and cause for anti-Russian hysteria in Ukraine. To be honest, VV has not developed a very far-sighted policy towards Ukraine since coming to power. In the cinema - literature - press, the formation of a sort of image of the Ukrainian enemy began - the banderlogs and their overseas masters took advantage of it and the banderlogs developed in their hysteria. Truly, relate to others, as you want to relate to yourself.
      1. -5
        14 December 2019 22: 07
        The image of the enemy was formed so that it was possible to nod and they live worse than us
      2. +3
        15 December 2019 20: 03
        Quote: rezerv66
        To be honest, VV has not developed a very far-sighted policy towards Ukraine since coming to power. In the cinema - literature - press, the formation of a sort of image of the Ukrainian enemy began - banderlogs took advantage of this


        Do not blame the mirror, if the mug is crooked. Our relatives live in Ukraine and we often visited them.
        In their Soviet time, they worked in Mongolia. Then listen to them, the Communists with a high flag. After returning home after work, they all wondered: why didn’t we ask them for anything? I directly answered them that we ourselves will earn everything and will have it. Soon, the collapse of the USSR. There was talk that Russia was to blame for all the troubles of Ukraine, and now they will heal, as never before.
        The further the more. The worse things were, the more Russia was to blame for this. Their son, in general, imagined himself to be a follower of Bandera. It so happened that now we really live richer than they, which causes "righteous" anger in them.
        As I think all the hysteria in Ukraine reminds the hysteria of an abandoned ex-wife: "How could you, I devoted my best years to you, and you are a scoundrel ..."
        No, Russia did not have such a policy under Putin; it started much earlier. Look for all the cause-effect relationships in yourself, your attitude to others.
        Envy is a bad feeling and it eats up the envious person and do not expect good from it.
        You made yourself like that.
        1. -1
          16 December 2019 14: 05
          Quote: Igool
          that we will all earn and will have
          Before the arrival of relatives from Mongolia, was not earned and was not available? They didn’t throw the Mongol dung - did you get envy and resentment? And if they were in the GDR, would they probably have been strangled?
    8. +6
      15 December 2019 00: 04
      My grandfather, sat twice under Stalin. Father in January of the 80th as part of a group of troops (40th Army) entered Afghanistan. Well, I will never lie with my father, me, about my grandfather, there was no reason to sin on Soviet power. No - Afghanistan (14000 for 9 years, in the 90s in Ukraine in road accidents for a year - 14000), Chernobyl - was erected as the cause of the collapse of the UNION. Gorbachev, while he is alive - must be judged.
    9. +6
      15 December 2019 02: 30
      Salam, Dear Magomed Khadulaev! Golden OUR Human! good
      Thank you for everything, and a special Thank you for your personally expressed general attitude to this Mr. ... letter G!
      About the "engine plate" and "bakshishny box"! good wink
    10. -1
      15 December 2019 11: 58
      To solve the Afghan problem by military means, it was necessary to conquer Pakistan .. Divide it into three countries: India, the USSR \ Afghanistan, and China .. It goes without saying to negotiate with China .. We needed a passage to the Indian Ocean and a base there .. Only in in this case, the war in Afghanistan made sense .. Everything else was show-off by the military and special services .. Any conflict should have a purpose .. When they entered the Afghan it didn’t seem to be understood .. Yes, according to the proposed scenario, it would be necessary to involve not 100 troops but 000-500 .. So what? With an army of 600 million, this is quite realistic, would they have achieved the order and a half necessary for a year, and if they got into a swamp, so what? There is nothing worse than taking actions halfway, if you hit it, hit it at full strength and to the end .. Afgan became an analogue of the Finnish war .. only then was Stalin at the helm and were able to bring to their logical end having achieved their goals, in Afghanistan there was a club of elderly senility in power and Judas Gorbachev, respectively, and the result ..
      1. +4
        15 December 2019 18: 01
        Quote: max702
        . We needed a passage to the Indian Ocean and a base there ..

        You can explain correctly - for what?
        Quote: max702
        . The rest are show-offs of the military and special services ..

        The military were against the entry of troops into Afghanistan, and intelligence agencies hardly dreamed of working with Afghan agents.
        Quote: max702
        Afghanistan became an analogue of the Finnish war .. only then was Stalin at the helm and were able to bring to their logical end having achieved their goals, in Afghanistan was in power a club of the elderly senility and Judas Gorbachev, respectively, and the result ..

        This is too much of a stretch - it doesn’t even come close to the task. What you saw the identity of these wars - explain.
        1. -1
          15 December 2019 21: 09
          Speak clearly .. everything is complicated if the general phrases are the zone of influence, but specifically .. Then the question is the expediency of all the southern republics combined, apart from the costs, these geographical entities did not bring any benefits .. Access to the Indian Ocean simply added operational flexibility for The USSR would he be able to use this big question expediently, and from the point of view of the big game, the US ally was knocked out and thereby reduced the enemy’s influence in this region, the war in the Republic of Ingushetia became a gift for the USA which they took full advantage of. There was still a benefit in establishing relations with China, although again there it is very difficult to resolve the whole tangle of relations in that region due to the division of Pakistan .. But again, what happened in RI is the worst case scenario ..
          1. +2
            16 December 2019 12: 07
            Quote: max702
            Then the question of the appropriateness of all the southern republics combined, apart from expenses, did not bring any benefit to these geographical entities ..

            It was the legacy of the Russian Empire, and we couldn’t live for the good reason to exclude them from the USSR, even if they cost us dearly. So, there could be no question regarding our southern republics, unlike Afghanistan, where our people have never been.
            Quote: max702
            Access to the Indian Ocean simply added operational flexibility to the USSR

            This is ridiculous - several thousand nuclear weapons and a huge number of strategic carriers gave us victory over any country in the world without any operational measures on any theater of operations. So do not believe in what our commanders voiced then - they did this in order to somehow justify the stupidity of political decisions.

            Quote: max702
            There was still a benefit in building relations with China

            It’s not necessary about China - the Americans, without us, have grown up near us, next to us, a new strategic adversary for us, so we had to look with caution at their breakthrough.
            In general, to summarize - in Afghanistan we had no interest except to sell arms to them and trade, but to watch more carefully beyond our borders. And this is a historical fact that cost us the collapse of the USSR, which occurred in part due to the Afghan war.
      2. -4
        15 December 2019 18: 31
        The first time that Afghanistan was launched for drug trafficking, I learned from a prominent Dashnak activist ... With a gold medal, he graduated from school, and applied his knowledge in the right direction ...
        1. +2
          15 December 2019 19: 02
          Quote: Karen
          The first time that Afghanistan was launched for drug trafficking, I learned from a prominent Dashnak activist ... With a gold medal, he graduated from school, and applied his knowledge in the right direction ...

          This is tin! laughing
          According to rumors, drugs were taken from there, but not immediately. Mostly to Europe. But once it surfaced and ended sadly: one lieutenant general was killed, the other was fired from the army, another Mos region later taxied. In general, before the collapse of the Union, there was little left.
          1. -3
            15 December 2019 19: 13
            Really? I thought that the nineties drugstuffs are echoes of Afghan traffic ... I once spoke about Moscow in the 90s ... Two of my friends were in the same story ... Riot police surrounded the mansions of the famous (drug) Central Asian, and from there he left the clerk general ordered from there ... (censorship) ...
            1. -1
              15 December 2019 23: 25
              Drugs are pennies compared to what was invested in these projects .. Apparently you are not able to use such large numbers ..
              1. 0
                16 December 2019 00: 25
                The harm / money from drugs cannot be measured only with money ... Those who operate on drug trafficking know this very well ...
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    11. 0
      16 December 2019 10: 02
      PLEASEDLY watched the interview. Magomed, I shake your hand! Man - and that’s it.
    12. 0
      16 December 2019 21: 37
      And I, being on an urgent basis, wrote reports to Afghanistan quite sincerely. My older brother was already there in Kunduz.
    13. 0
      17 December 2019 14: 25
      A worthy man! Nothing more to add

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