Turkey intends to accelerate work on creating its own fighter TF-X

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Turkey intends to accelerate work on creating its own fighter TF-X

Teknofest 2019 Istanbul September September full-size fighter TF-X (MMU) fighter

Turkey intends to accelerate the creation of its own fighter under the TF-X program. This decision was made against the backdrop of announced intentions to permanently deprive Ankara of the fifth-generation American fighter F-35. About this writes the British edition of The Guardian.

Turkey announced its intention to unfreeze an agreement with the British company Rolls-Royce to jointly create an engine for a promising Turkish aircraft.



An agreement worth 100 million pounds to establish a joint venture, within the framework of which the development of the engine was supposed to take place, as well as its subsequent production, was signed in 2017. In March 2019, it was actually frozen due to disagreements about the parties' intellectual property rights. The second reason for the freeze was the offer of alternative deliveries of aircraft, including from Russia.

In the event of resuming joint development with Rolls-Royce of the engine for the TF-X fighter, Turkey wants to show the US Congress that it has alternative ways to get the latest fighters in case of supply failure to her American F-35.

The promising Turkish fighter TF-X (MMU) is being developed jointly by Turkish Aircraft Corporation Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) in collaboration with BAE Systems. The first flight of the first prototype TF-X is scheduled for 2023 year. By design, the TF-X is reminiscent of the fifth-generation American fighter, it is smaller in size than the F-22, but slightly larger than the F-35.

The Air Force plans to replace most of its American F-16C / D Viper fighters with it and hopes that the first deliveries to the troops will begin in the 2028 year.
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    1. +8
      13 December 2019 13: 50
      BAE Systems
      Rolls-Royce


      This is about how to design the MC-21 under the wing of foreign composites. They will be burned on this.
      1. +6
        13 December 2019 14: 06
        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        BAE Systems
        Rolls-Royce


        This is about how to design the MC-21 under the wing of foreign composites. They will be burned on this.

        What do you want from the Turks? So that they alone from scratch create an aircraft engine at the level of the best world analogues? This is a forced decision.
        1. +2
          13 December 2019 14: 20
          kjhg (gargantua)
          What do you want from the Turks? So that they alone from scratch create an aircraft engine at the level of the best world analogues? This is a forced decision.
          So in addition to the engine, the plane has a lot of things, from the airframe to the avionics. An aircraft of even the 4th generation is a very complex complex and if you do not have experience in design (and the Turks do not have it at all), then creating something at least similar to an aircraft of the fifth generation is practically impossible task. During this time, the Chinese at least learned how to trick and copy, and the Turks did not even do this, relying on their "friends" Americans.
          So the Turkish aircraft of the "fifth" generation, and even at such a time
          The first flight of the first prototype TF-X is scheduled for 2023.
          this is from the world of unscientific fiction!
          How much did the USA take and how much time did Russia have from the start of development to the first flight of the prototype ?! The same thing, so these are the leading world leaders in the aircraft industry.
          1. +2
            13 December 2019 14: 23
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            So the Turkish aircraft of the "fifth" generation, and even at such a time
            The first flight of the first prototype TF-X is scheduled for 2023.
            this is from the world of unscientific fiction!

            I agree. He can take off and rise. But it will only be a demonstration aircraft, like the Japanese, for example.
            1. +1
              13 December 2019 14: 31
              Maybe they will lift a whatnot into the air, but they will reach well with real developments, composites, avionics, radar and other things if by 2033. And then, well, suppose they made a glider, well, suppose they bought engines for it (even if not in Britain, our Chinese, or at worst, whoever sells it), and what will their litak aim for and will shoot? Where are the rockets going to blow? Will they buy it again?
              We will have to develop everything ourselves, and even from scratch. And in the stated time frame, they can only pile wooden mockups with wooden rockets. If you look at things realistically, then if you have money, they will probably be able to sculpt something similar to an airplane by 2040, but hardly before.
            2. +3
              13 December 2019 14: 34
              The Turks say that Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, and Qatar and Azerbaijan will join this project, that is, there are no problems with money.
              1. +2
                13 December 2019 16: 15
                I heard about this news.
            3. +5
              13 December 2019 15: 10
              The above-mentioned comrades, I want to ask one question - will the Washington Reich Chancellery allow the British such cooperation? Especially in light of recent events - the cooling of relations between Turkey and the United States (NATO). Everything else is a pure theory.
        2. +3
          13 December 2019 14: 27
          The Turks have already overcome an unattainable red line in technology, created a scientific base, assembled many highly qualified specialists, launched production of high-tech components for jet engines. They have already completed the construction and testing of gas turbine helicopter engines. From 2020, these engines will go into series. Also, they will cope with jet engines for airplanes. They are working in this direction at an accelerated pace.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhcP8-d-2c4
          1. +3
            13 December 2019 14: 34
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            The Turks have already overcome the unattainable red line in technology

            Quote: Oquzyurd
            Also, they will cope with jet engines for aircraft.

            Even China still can not create an engine close to the world level. In the near future, most likely, they will do it, but so far they don’t have one. And you are about the Turks. To do this, work for decades. No, they will probably create some kind of engine, but it will be far from the level of world leaders.
          2. -3
            13 December 2019 14: 35
            Oquzyurd (Jeyhun)
            The Turks have already overcome an unattainable red line in technology, created a scientific base, gathered a lot of highly qualified specialists, and launched the production of high-tech components for jet engines.
            Are you serious or is it such a local Thai banter?
            1. +6
              13 December 2019 14: 42
              No, this is not a banter. I understand in Turkish and was interested in the state of affairs, how things really are. I looked at a lot of materials and listened to specialists who are directly involved in technological projects. Even without this, the turkey’s furious progress over the past 10 years visible to those who followed.
              1. 0
                13 December 2019 14: 55
                Oquzyurd (Ceyhun) Even without this, the frantic progress of the Turkish military-industrial complex over the past 10 years is visible to those who have followed.
                What "progress" is possible in more detail, or maybe I overslept? Turkey is taking away contracts for the supply of air defense systems? Is China buying Turkish assault rifles or tanks en masse? How is RUNNING progress expressed ?!
                1. 0
                  13 December 2019 15: 19
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  ... maybe I overslept what? ...

                  You are like that child who closed his eyes and hid from everyone.
                  Open your eyes and take a look at the Turkish industry.

                  For example, from the 11th year F-16 Turks themselves do.
                  1. +2
                    13 December 2019 18: 15
                    Sami or assembled from American kits?
                    1. +1
                      13 December 2019 21: 35
                      Sami or assembled from American kits?

                      By the way, what is interesting for yourself, including engine, it’s clear that under the license, but there is a full cycle. if not mistaken, right now they are the only ones who produce f16.
        3. +1
          14 December 2019 02: 11
          Yes, this is ridiculous, that is, the United States will impose sanctions and the main mongrel England and them technology and the fighter, that something does not fit or they agreed
        4. 0
          14 December 2019 08: 47
          not so long ago they (Turks) demonstrated 100% of their 5 jet engine options, you don’t underestimate them and this is a minus for you
    2. +3
      13 December 2019 13: 51
      And the British will agree to defrost ?! Or does Recep think that he will deploy Britain from the United States with one strong-willed decision?
      1. 0
        13 December 2019 13: 58
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And the British will agree to defrost?

        The question is political. And politics is a projection of the economy. Shaving came out (painfully come out like a Stone flower) from the European Union and they earned money somewhere Nuna. smile
      2. -1
        13 December 2019 14: 14
        If business promises mani, then shaving will be in this business. They themselves, albeit in tandem, need to demonstrate their importance to the Americans. If things go further, then expect a good collaborative multi-purpose. He will go into the series immediately.
        1. +1
          13 December 2019 14: 18
          Just not from the Turks. If they create an interstate block of companies, it’s possible. Otherwise. Well dviglo they will build the shaving. And avionics? A weapon? Connection? Even a cover? CREATE ALL AT ONCE - they simply won’t be pulled either by money or by capacities
          1. +5
            13 December 2019 14: 30
            And the main thing is dviglo. The rest is not a problem. The Turks have weapons, and communications, and cover and other components. They only loop on engines. But, I think soon and there they will pick up their niche. They themselves confronted the fact: Either everything, or nothing! But it’s better that evil Turkey is at hand, than good America over the hill. We live on the same geography, we can understand each other, and minke whales try to grind us on the joysticks. The Americans are really a threat to peace — understanding this does not require intelligence.
            1. +4
              13 December 2019 14: 36
              The Turks have weapons, and communications, and cover and other components.

              Yeah, it was all with the United States, especially after the launch of the F-22. Now look carefully at the number:
              The cost of the F-35 development program is $ 55,1 billion.

              That's all, the question is closed. This is despite the fact that they really had everything. And the Turks - just nichrome as long as not. Where do they even have coverage? What weapons on airplanes - whose production?
              1. +5
                13 December 2019 14: 59
                Apparently you are not aware that about 900 large (cabin, fenders, many elements of the body, etc.) and small components for f-35 Turkish plants produce. The most interesting thing is that the primary materials for these components are also produced in Turkey. For this purpose, Turkey spent 2 mln. Dollars on the construction of these plants. That is, they have in their hands the initial technology for the production, manufacture, etc. of such components.
                1. 0
                  13 December 2019 15: 13
                  I know monitors for the cab and other junk))) Shota does not go very well at the prices even for the manufacture of the F-22 cab lantern? in the know how they sawed it once to get a pilot - and the price of a flashlight is more than lyama. Explicitly more than displays. And even the technology of these non-binding flashlights with a dusting of gold ... Somewhere, the Turks need to take it. With a flashlight - there was so far the most expensive accident.
                  1. +1
                    13 December 2019 16: 59
                    "I know, cockpit monitors and other junk" You know? lol
                    1. 0
                      13 December 2019 18: 28
                      Not a flyer, but their own government - more logical to believe than you wink
                2. +3
                  13 December 2019 16: 11
                  ... and not only. There are already cruisers and destroyers on 3D harbor. And the Turks undoubtedly have a base.
      3. 0
        14 December 2019 09: 43
        already cooperate especially British Steel Turks bought along with operating time and 1500 of them (steel modifications)
    3. +7
      13 December 2019 13: 53
      The United States simply put pressure on the British, and they refuse to cooperate with the Turks.
      1. +2
        13 December 2019 14: 08
        Quote: Thrifty
        The United States simply put pressure on the British, and they refuse to cooperate with the Turks.

        They will have to give something very tasty in return. The Britons do not just fuss about the development of their aircraft - plans in cooperation with the French. South Koreans want their plane, Indians. They begin to look at the hegemon a little askance - the world gendarme too diverged. It begins to nag and its allies.

        But Japan decided not to invest - it officially announced that the F-35 will be in service with the self-defense forces.
      2. 0
        14 December 2019 09: 46
        the USA (Rockefellers) and England (Rothschilds) have their own between strife
    4. +5
      13 December 2019 13: 55
      Turkey intends to accelerate the creation of its own fighter under the TF-X program.

      In principle, the industrial base does not exist. But here is the design SCHOOL, in such a difficult matter, it is more than half the success!
      In short, it is not clear how and what they can do?
      1. +4
        13 December 2019 14: 11
        Quote: rocket757
        In short, it is not clear how and what they can do?

        they won’t be able to do anything in the next 30 years ... this story will be worse than the story with the Altai tank.
        1. +3
          13 December 2019 14: 18
          Quote: NEOZ
          stories with the Altai tank.

          Anyway, Turkey, this is not only "all inclusive"!
          Brazil, the Chinese, before that the Japanese, were not even just in the ranks of countries with a high technological and other level, here it is important .... much is important!
          I don’t particularly believe that they can, but it’s too early to put an end to this matter!
    5. -3
      13 December 2019 14: 01
      I want to believe that the British tactfully send the Turks and thereby bankrupt the project. May billions of lire go to waste. Turkey must be poor and weak-willed.
    6. +1
      13 December 2019 14: 04
      3-D printing technology is striding around the planet, if the Hussites improve anti-aircraft systems, then everything can be done.
      1. +1
        13 December 2019 14: 10
        Quote: gabonskijfront
        3-D printing technology paces the planet

        This is now called additive technologies because the process cannot be called "printing".
    7. 0
      13 December 2019 15: 08
      And the choice is not very large ... and we, in this size, except RD93, have nothing special to offer. Current motors of this size are tied to 414 Americans. The only thing we can offer is a ready-made AL41, but this is a different airplane size. Type J-10 / F16
    8. 0
      13 December 2019 15: 16
      The British are not as simple as they sometimes seem. After all, they were not long ago an Empire.
      And they can have their own games with the USA on the subject of engine building and influence on the Middle East.
      Yes, and take up the design does not mean giving the result of the work. So we buy popcorn and see how it all ends.
    9. 0
      13 December 2019 17: 20
      BAE Systems
      Rolls royce
      Esli Sultan will believe that the 5th generation engine will make the evil British Britons, then he is a naive man and a man. The engine of the 5th generation is still being interpreted by the United States and when they started working on the most modern engines, the need came for the ceramic coating of the blades to take the technology from the Japanese! Russia has no 5th generation engine here. Product 30 is not in the series!
      Even Japan, one of the highest technological countries, did not manage to bring to mind 5 generations of Mitsibushi aircraft!
      The Chinese did but the engine did not have time today!
      So a piece of goodies but the Turks alone will not pull the 5th generation of aircraft.
      Maybe the Brit’s goal is to financially ditch the Turks?
      All of Europe has not yet dared to start a 5th generation airplane project! (France, Germany, Evil Briti, Italy) and they have a tradition and technology.
      The 5th generation of aircraft today can only be interpreted by the USA, Russia, and the Chinese may be in the next 5-10 years, Turkey definitely doesn’t have the strength to do such a technological breakdown in the next 10 years at a scientific level, and to destroy these projects for finances!
    10. +2
      13 December 2019 22: 41
      Every time during the last years when the Turks began to do something, everyone commented on no design school, no experience, base, money. In drones, they also started from zero, and now they are testing a heavy strike, cruise missiles, air, their own machines, communication systems, radars, frigates, a tank is ready, they created a joint venture with Qatar for serial production. Qatar has money, he and the buyer. Pakistan, Malaysia and Azerbaijan are also buyers. So the money is there. Now Turkey is actively attracting back techies who worked abroad. In short, the work is in full swing. And we see the results every day. Now, they say so about the plane. Let's see the Circassians about 5 years old

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