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Ukroboronprom is going to start building on the site of the Antonov plant in Kiev

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The man with American and Lithuanian passports, who heads Ukroboronprom, came up with the initiative to “change the profile of industrial areas” of the Antonov aircraft manufacturing concern in Kiev. We are talking about Aivaras Abromavicius, who from December 2014 to April 2016 held the post of Minister of Economic Development of Ukraine. "Ukroboronprom" he headed 1 September of this year.


The Verkhovna Rada deputy from the “Servant of the People” faction Alexander Dubinsky spoke about the initiative put forward by Mr. Abromavicius.

According to Dubinsky, the head of Ukroboronprom is proposing to get rid of the Antonov concern plant in Kiev, and to start building in its place. At the same time, the plant itself promises to “transfer”. The new site for the plant should, according to the idea, be the village of Gostomel, located near Kiev. At the same time, the Verkhovna Rada notes that the “transfer” of the aircraft factory concern plant could cost billions of hryvnias. After all, we are talking about creating infrastructure from scratch.

On the other hand, the Rada notes that the whole question may rest on what exactly Abromavicius wants to see, so to speak, at the exit. Perhaps the plant will finally “dissolve” during such a transfer, as often happens with such projects.

Recall that earlier Antonov in Ukraine was bankrupt, deprived of financial and economic independence and transferred under the control of Ukroboronprom.

In Kiev, meanwhile, they continue to ponder over how the occupation of a state post by Abromavicius fits in with the violation of the law on second citizenship. Apparently, this does not interfere with Abromavicius himself and those who appointed him to a new high post.
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 13 December 2019 12: 57
    +25
    Abromavicius. The surname speaks for itself))
    Looks like that thief.

    Goodbye Antonov. We will miss you.
    1. krot
      krot 13 December 2019 13: 01
      +38
      Such an enterprise went to the Sumerians from the Soviet Union, and so it’s worthless to crap ..
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 13 December 2019 13: 05
        +33
        Quote: krot
        and so crap mediocre ..

        Boeing's order has been fulfilled! The competitor is killed!
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 13 December 2019 13: 15
          +21
          tol100v (Igor)
          Boeing's order has been fulfilled! The competitor is killed!
          And what is not killed there? There, after the collapse of the USSR, seliks and raguli were in power, but they could not a priori create anything, only to pull apart the huts, which were bad where.
          1. iConst
            iConst 13 December 2019 13: 51
            +11
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            and they can’t create anything a priori,

            Not true.
            There was such a mythological king Midas. Everything touched turned to gold.
            Here is the same thing. Only instead of gold is manure.

            As a joke - two news - bad and good:
            bad: soon we will eat only one manure!
            good: we have a lot of it!
            1. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 13 December 2019 19: 09
              0
              NerudShop - horse manure 5 cubic meters = 9 rubles (advertised on the Internet). In the non-black earth strip - manure "worth its weight in gold" bully
        2. cniza
          cniza 13 December 2019 13: 16
          +4
          Namely, they clear the meadow ...
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 December 2019 13: 35
          +4
          Quote: Tol100v
          Boeing's order has been fulfilled! The competitor is killed!

          Fearfully ! A country born only to kill, but not to build. Brothers or non-brothers Ukrainians come to your senses!
        4. Alex_59
          Alex_59 13 December 2019 14: 39
          +7
          Quote: Tol100v
          Boeing's order has been fulfilled! The competitor is killed!

          Yes, Boeing since the mid-90s could not worry about this competitor. If only because they work in different niches. If anyone really wants Antonov dead, it's Lockheed with his C-5. But I suspect that Lockheed has nothing to do with what is happening. As a rule, in such stories, the damage caused by their "not smart people" exceeds the possible damage from the actions of the enemy.
        5. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 13 December 2019 15: 17
          +9
          And what the hell is a standing plant in the center of Cueva? If someone does not know, since 2016, not a single aircraft has been assembled. At HAPO, the situation is even worse. For the time being, Motor Sich is breathing every other time, but even Allah does not know how much more it “rattles”.
          1. Grits
            Grits 13 December 2019 17: 04
            +17
            Quote: TermNachTER
            And to hell in the center of Kuev - standing head

            So the people of Kiev take an example from Moscow. At one time, the Muscovites were also prevented by AZLK and ZIL.
            1. krot
              krot 14 December 2019 07: 30
              0
              So the people of Kiev take an example from Moscow.

              Did you want to say Kuevlyans? wassat
        6. IL-18
          IL-18 13 December 2019 15: 55
          +21
          Quote: Tol100v
          Boeing's order

          And what about ZIL? Whose order is it? By the way, after the disappearance of ZIL Detroit did not live better. It’s possible to blame me for shit ... but Luzhkov, the kingdom of heaven, at least tried to save AZLK, ZIL, and other enterprises, and the present ...
          What do we have with the Saratov aircraft factory? In this regard, we are not much different from Ukraine. This is thanks to Maidan, and import substitution would not even be an imitation.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 13 December 2019 19: 33
            +2
            What do we have with the Saratov aircraft factory?

            Probably the same as with the Volgograd Tractor.
        7. Rzzz
          Rzzz 15 December 2019 10: 57
          0
          And we have? The Saratov plant has already been built up, the Samara plant is about to close and will also begin to demolish.
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 13 December 2019 13: 05
        +6
        For these thieves, it’s not mediocre, technologies have been sold, big money has been raised, now they will leave, they will hang out at the resorts beautifully, drinking cocktails in the company of busty girls.

        There is no homeland for these farewells.
        1. knn54
          knn54 13 December 2019 14: 19
          +7
          - in violation of the law on second citizenship.
          He has THREE citizenships. And as Kolomoisky cynically stated in his time, in a similar situation, the law "on the second" does not apply to him ...
      3. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 13 December 2019 13: 07
        +4
        Renovation in Kiev.
        Demolish a factory - build a shopping center!

        Well done! good

        How everything will be sold by Ukrainian oligaphrenes (or oligarchs winked , I constantly forget how they call each other correctly) they will dump their dough closer to the Atlantic.
        And the people of Ukraine will suddenly remember that they really want to live as a fraternal family with the Russians.

        As the saying goes: - a fool a glass bolt not for long.
        So the "Ukrainians" for thirty years have flushed everything that has been created by the Russian people for centuries.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 13 December 2019 13: 16
          +23
          Renovation in Moscow. AMO-ZIL plant where?. Yes, and many across the country. They demolish and build housing (at best) in the worst wasteland for many years. You need to pay attention to your problems. I don't give a damn about the horses
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 December 2019 13: 28
            +4
            Quote: 210ox
            Moscow-style renovation. AMO-ZIL plant

            They decided to close this enterprise even during the USSR.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 13 December 2019 13: 33
              +10
              Really? And several more factories of the association in Yartsevo, Smolensk, Roslavl ?! Which are city-forming (especially in Yartsevo). Yes, and where does the ZIL in the end. We have hundreds and thousands of them.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 December 2019 13: 40
                +8
                Quote: 210ox
                Really?

                Yes.
                Code word "ZIL-170"
                Then ZiL was not allowed to produce a new car, it was handed over to the newly-built KamAZ. Which was the beginning of the end.
                A similar picture with AZLK, whose decline began with the advent of the VAZ

                That is, we are witnessing a clear gradual curtailment of Moscow production, begun under the USSR
                1. 210ox
                  210ox 13 December 2019 13: 49
                  +8
                  You are wrong about folding. ZIL and AZLK increased their production until the end of the 80s. It was the state policy of forming branches in large-scale production, which later were to become large producers. This applied not only to the automotive industry. In the mid-80s I worked at the Kristall Production Association in Smolensk, a diamond manufacturing plant. So we were also hung with the organization of two branches in Central Asia - in Chardzhou and Yangiyer. We completed the task, which was later dubbed together with the USSR.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 December 2019 13: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: 210ox
                    ZIL and AZLK until the end of the 80s increased output

                    There was no "build-up" Why "build up" the production of obviously outdated machines?
                    1. Alex_59
                      Alex_59 13 December 2019 14: 46
                      +8
                      Quote: Spade
                      There was no "build-up" Why "build up" the production of obviously outdated machines?

                      Is this "Moskvich" 2141 outdated car in the 80s? The car was much more comfortable compared to the Vaz-2109, and even more so the Vaz-2108. It may not be so progressive in design, but more spacious and comfortable for sure. I remember many chasing them directly. This continued in the 90s, until the Vaz 10 went and all these 115s and 114s.
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 13 December 2019 14: 56
                        -9
                        And you compare 2141 not with buckets, but with modern foreign cars to him. How? That VAZ was auto-trash, that AZLK.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 13 December 2019 15: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        That VAZ was auto-trash, that AZLK.

                        What is the trash?
                      3. Alex_59
                        Alex_59 13 December 2019 15: 06
                        +4
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        That VAZ was auto-trash, that AZLK.

                        In their price segment - car fire for its time.
                      4. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 13 December 2019 15: 18
                        -3
                        Yeah, six pieces with an average salary of 180-200 rubles. Almost for nothing.
                      5. Alex_59
                        Alex_59 13 December 2019 15: 27
                        +7
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Yeah, six pieces with an average salary of 180-200 rubles. Almost for nothing.
                        What about a foreign car? how many dozens of pieces at the same average salary? laughing
                        PS Our cars did not go badly abroad, despite the terrible marketing (or rather, its complete absence as a business process). For that kind of money in NATO countries, one could either ride a moped or a VAZ. It is also necessary to take into account that cars with leather interiors, all sorts of air conditioners and sunroofs went "there". I personally dealt with a re-export short-winged 9 with a luxurious leather interior from Holland and a VAZ-2105 with a right (!) Rudder from Great Britain.
                      6. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 13 December 2019 15: 36
                        0
                        There was even a production of screwdriver assembly "Muscovites 412 in Belgium. In the late 60s. Then, no doubt, our cars were almost at the level. But how much can you keep on the conveyor belt all these variations on the 412 and Fiat 124? There, over the hill , already several model lines have changed, injectors, power steering, air condos in salons have already gone, and we all continued to churn out antiques. Moreover, constantly decreasing the quality. And no wonder - Vietnamese gastritis worked at our car factories. Shokhi, driving Volks, realized that I really didn't have a car.
                      7. 210ox
                        210ox 13 December 2019 16: 32
                        +2
                        As for the trash, I do not agree. Yes, we were inferior to foreign samples. But it was slowly reduced to a minimum. If you compare the 60s and the middle of the same 80s. People drove this "auto trash" in your opinion and were happy.
                      8. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 13 December 2019 16: 56
                        0
                        There is such a proverb: "who did not see the ship, into a miracle and a trough" We went, because there were no alternatives. As worthy alternatives appeared, it turned out that no one needed AZLK products for nothing.
                      9. 210ox
                        210ox 13 December 2019 20: 53
                        +2
                        By the way, these 41, and those who are older in our country still go to the Kuban. True, there are problems with spare parts, but people still use this "trash" in your opinion.
                      10. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 13 December 2019 21: 20
                        -1
                        Well, I also have an elderly Patrol, a three-door, elevated, purely for pokatushek through the mud. And 41 Moskvich is not a car at all. Better Volkswagen B4 of the same age or Audi barrel.
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 13 December 2019 13: 31
            -1
            The auto giant is almost in the center of the capital. Doubtful decision.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 13 December 2019 13: 52
              +4
              I agree. Then the aviation giant in the center of Kiev is also a dubious decision. Then the conclusion is why we are discussing these problems in general.
            2. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 13 December 2019 15: 04
              -9
              Products AZLK and VAZ. In the eighties. Trash, shameful trash, 15 years backward from global automakers.
          3. Pattor
            Pattor 13 December 2019 13: 45
            +8
            All over the country like that. In our city of Saratov, the aircraft was nullified, demolished and built a shopping complex, airdrome areas for development
          4. kjhg
            kjhg 13 December 2019 13: 56
            +15
            Quote: 210ox
            Moscow-style renovation. AMO-ZIL plant where ?.

            Quote: 210ox
            It is necessary to pay attention to your problems.

            Nowadays, effective managers plan to build up 150 hectares of the territory of the leading Russian rocket and space industry enterprise of the Khrunichev Center. Missiles such as Angara and Progress gather there. https://www.vedomosti.ru/realty/articles/2019/06/25/805022-raketnogo-zavoda.
            Who are we laughing at when the same thing is happening in our country? Our countries are robbed and destroyed by people with the same mentality, thinking, who completely lack conscience and patriotism.
            1. The Siberian barber
              The Siberian barber 13 December 2019 18: 44
              +4
              "Quartz" in Kaliningrad .... Wonderful equipment, its own clinic, hostels for workers ... it was ... now a shopping center, for the delivery of space
              ... yes assembly of kitchen hoods from components imported from outside ..
              Products flew into space ...
              ..studied recently on the territory of some kind of trucking company, outside the territory of KogigAvto ... more precisely the remains .. STALKER, ..
            2. Tersky
              Tersky 13 December 2019 18: 45
              0
              Quote: kjhg
              Who are we laughing at when the same thing is happening in our country?

              Notably troll, but very, very thick. A rather outdated method of not negotiating the essence. In fact-
              In February 2019, Roscosmos presented a large project to build the National Space Center (NSC) on the territory of the Khrunichev Center in the Filevsky floodplain near Kutuzovsky Prospekt (Moscow). An area of ​​250 m² will house the head office of the state corporation, a situational center, a flight control center, and also employees of the Center named after Khrunichev and 000 other Roskosmos enterprises operating in Moscow. Instead of abandoned buildings NCC and a business center with technology parks will be built there, where enterprises of the aviation and space industry, with a total area of ​​about 2,89 million m².
              Something like this, actually.
              1. kjhg
                kjhg 13 December 2019 19: 46
                +1
                Quote: Tersky
                Something like this, actually.

                Victor, are you serious now? How can this multi-billion dollar project for the construction of a national space center help the real domestic cosmonautics in the current situation? Will they move offices to new buildings? Well, then what? Raise salaries to engineers, designers? Let me remind you, the Khrunichev Center, in fact, is bankrupt.
          5. Artunis
            Artunis 13 December 2019 15: 06
            +4
            + AZLK and a bunch of all sorts of different plants, listing the places is not enough and this is only in Moscow.
        2. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 13 December 2019 13: 16
          +4
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Renovation in Kiev.
          Demolish a factory - build a shopping center!

          Well, for the sake of truth, we also noted in this field
          1. A man with a capital letter
            A man with a capital letter 13 December 2019 13: 35
            -2
            Who are we? Vorje?
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 13 December 2019 15: 23
              0
              Quote: Man with a capital letter
              Who are we? Vorje?

              don't ask stupid questions - RUSSIA
              list destroyed plants?
              In 2015, the demolition of the factory buildings continued. In 2015, most of the workshops of the plant were dismantled. Also in 2015, the ZiL History Museum with the Likhachev Memorial Cabinet was destroyed.

              In 2016, the remaining workshops located to the west of the railway were demolished along the MCC railroad track. On the eastern side, production workshops still remain, but the production of cars on them has been discontinued, most are in ruined condition. Several completed frames of the new residential complex in the former territory of the plant have already been erected.

              In September 2016, the Likhachev Plant produced the last truck in its history. It turned out to be a truck model ZIL 43276T. In December, it was sold to the Kazan tram park. The production of executive cars at the enterprise by the company “Mechanical assembly shop No. 6 AMO ZIL” is ongoing.

              In September 2019, the interim results of the reorganization of the former ZIL industrial zone were summed up by the Deputy Mayor of Moscow on urban development policy Marat Khusnullin. According to him, to date, 400 thousand square meters of housing, the Park of Legends ice palace, a museum, an automobile center, offices and a number of other commercial facilities have been built at ZIL.
        3. Mik1701
          Mik1701 13 December 2019 13: 23
          0
          Is it only Russian?
        4. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 December 2019 13: 31
          +14
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Renovation in Kiev.
          Demolish a factory - build a shopping center!

          In Russia, no better. Just the news federal channels poke about Syria and #AchtotamuUkraintsev.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 13 December 2019 13: 34
            +10
            And with all this, the Volgograd tractor works. Only working workshops are located nearby and were not rented. All the equipment for the airborne forces of the bmd-4m type is produced precisely at the Volgograd tractor.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 December 2019 15: 39
              0
              Now Volgograd Tractor looks approximately so maybe they already demolished everything. They complained about the quality of its products back in the 80s.
          2. BAI
            BAI 13 December 2019 13: 48
            +9
            Sterlitamak. What happened and what the plant did in the first photo, what happened to it - in the second

            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 December 2019 16: 02
              +2
              Quote: BAI
              that was and what the plant did in the first photo, what happened to it - in the second

              Derbanat "Mother Russia" liberals.
          3. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 December 2019 14: 10
            +2
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            In Russia, no better.
            According to the head of Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, the largest engineering concern in Russia, Tractor Plants, will be declared bankrupt. His debts amount to 85 billion rubles, and, as Chemezov admits, "the financial recovery of the company is currently impossible."
            The structure of the Concern Tractor Plants includes the following production sites:
            Altai Motor Plant OJSC - liquidated
            Vladimir Motor-Tractor Plant LLC - liquidated
            OJSC PA Krasnoyarsk Combine Plant - declared bankrupt
            "Volgograd Engineering Company" VgTZ "- liquidated
            Zauralsky Forge and Foundry - is on the verge of bankruptcy
            Lipetsk Caterpillar Tractor Plant - declared bankrupt
            Onega Tractor Plant - declared bankrupt
            PJSC Promtractor - declared bankrupt
            JSC "Promtractor Wagon" - declared bankrupt
            LLC "Promtractor-Promlit" - declared bankrupt
            SAREX OJSC (production of excavators) - declared bankrupt
            "Tractor company" VgTZ "- declared bankrupt
            PJSC "Cheboksary Aggregate Plant" - declared bankrupt According to "Kommersant", VEB agrees with the idea of ​​bankruptcy "Tractor Plants", the Dutch subsidiary of KTZ - Machinery & Industrial Group NV and the owners - Albert Bakov and Mikhail Bolotin will also be declared bankrupt.https: / /aftershock.news/?q=node/666702&full
            https://expert.ru/2017/09/28/krupnoe-mashinostroitelnoe-bankrotstvo/

            Maybe I didn’t read it right or wrong, site visitors will tell you.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 13 December 2019 15: 33
              +2
              Tractor plants just share. First divided into military and civilian. The military unit was transferred to Rostec. All problematic enterprises of the military-industrial complex are merged into Rostec. The civilian part will be bankrupt. But bankrupt does not mean destroying. Bankrupt will be a legal entity. After the bankruptcy procedure, the company will either be sold together or in one piece to new owners. Unlikely to be willing to buy a legal entity with such debts. But assets without debts are quite.
              If simpler, the plants will remain, but they will have new owners. And Rostec takes the military commissar.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 13 December 2019 16: 00
                +1
                Quote: g1v2
                If simpler, the plants will remain, but they will have new owners.

                And it is more likely that Russian entrepreneurs (capitalists) will not get it. For those who go bankrupt have their own "gesheft", as well as those who bankrupt "Antonov". (they have no nationality).
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 December 2019 15: 43
              +1
              If they closed and went bankrupt, then their products are in fact no one needs, so Rostselmash and Agromash will remain in tractors and combines. Rostselmash in the Rostov region was about to build a new tractor plant.
              1. Brturin
                Brturin 13 December 2019 16: 13
                -1
                Quote: Vadim237
                Rostselmash in the Rostov region was about to build a new tractor plant.

                This is the difference, in spite of everything that has been destroyed, restoration is under way (maybe not as fast as you want) - new plants, reconstruction of old ones, but there is still a question of whether there will be new ones ...
                1. Brturin
                  Brturin 13 December 2019 22: 02
                  0
                  "But you understand what the situation is: now the Ukrainian authorities, (President of Ukraine Volodymyr) Zelensky are not engaged in the economy" - President of the Ukrainian Analytical Center Oleksandr Okhrimenko
                  “In June, industrial production in Ukraine decreased by 2,3%, in July - by 0,2%, in September - by 1,7%, in October - by another 1,1%. If we compare October 2019 with the same month last year, then the reduction in production reached a critical 5% ”- economist Boris Kushniruk
                  “That is, according to forecasts, the Ukrainian metallurgical industry will end 2019 as follows: pig iron production - 20 million tons, steel production - 20,5 million tons, rolled metal production - 18 million tons. This is the worst indicator for the entire period of the existence of independent Ukraine” - "Ukrmetallurgprom"
        5. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 December 2019 13: 52
          0
          Quote: Vladimir16
          And the people of Ukraine will suddenly remember that they really want to live as a fraternal family with the Russians.

          And then what to do with them?
        6. Grits
          Grits 13 December 2019 17: 08
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Renovation in Kiev.
          Demolish a factory - build a shopping center!

          So we have the same thing. Instead of factories, shopping centers appear. If you see a construction site, you can be XNUMX% sure that it is not being built any shop, but another store. Which will sell Chinese goods, and its owner will be called a businessman. So we, too, are not far from the Ukrainians.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 December 2019 18: 27
            0
            Quote: Gritsa
            Shopping centers appear instead of factories

            Does anyone know what they built on the site of the ZIL automobile plant?
            1. IL-18
              IL-18 13 December 2019 19: 22
              +2
              Quote: tihonmarine
              what was built on the site of the ZIL automobile plant?

              A school of pantonymous art and an accordion factory, plus a neighborhood.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 13 December 2019 20: 02
                +1
                Quote: IL-18
                A school of pantonymous art and an accordion factory, plus a neighborhood.

                Someone raped good money for the neighborhood. But this was the first-born of the USSR automotive industry and our pride. The first one and a half ton truck AMO-F-15 was assembled on the night of November 1, 1924. And now the accordion factory, well, at least not a candle factory.
                1. IL-18
                  IL-18 13 December 2019 23: 35
                  0
                  About the factory and the school I took it from the movie "hot heads". In Yekaterinburg, not so long ago, they looked at Uralmash for housing development, and move UZTM like.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 14 December 2019 10: 32
                    0
                    Quote: IL-18
                    About the factory and the school I took it from the movie "hot heads".

                    About the "candle factory" is also from the film, But laughter is laughter, and they want to expose us as idiots. We will move the plant, and in its place we will put a bunch of shopping and entertainment centers of the most dangerous buildings in the world. Yes, the transfer of the plant will cost more at times of building up the area. Russian capitalism, as I see it from the former republic of the USSR, is, in my opinion, the most greedy and cruel in the world. With regards and respect.
                    1. IL-18
                      IL-18 15 December 2019 00: 38
                      0
                      Capitalism is like capitalism. Normal. Greedy and corrupt, like leaving. We are simply impudent, therefore it is visible to everyone.
            2. Cook
              Cook 13 December 2019 21: 29
              0
              Technopark built.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 13 December 2019 21: 36
                0
                Quote: Cook

                Technopark built.

                Yes, that would not have been built, but the factory was ruined. Pride of the country.
                1. Cook
                  Cook 13 December 2019 22: 10
                  0
                  "Everything passes"
                  As the plant is not a pity, I still think that such industrial giants of the past as ZIL or Hammer and Sickle have no place in the center of the capital's metropolis. So ecology to hell.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 13 December 2019 22: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Cook
                    a pity the factory, I still think that such industrial giants of the past as ZIL or Hammer and Sickle,

                    Well, what was new built? I know that Newport News has not decreased, but increased, and others. Why should we slay our giants. (Although they are just normal factories, not giants).
      4. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 13 December 2019 13: 08
        +4
        All this has long gone. Here tell me which Antonov’s planes are in high demand, not counting the An-124, but is it piece goods, and not mass? Not some. Even Ukrainian airlines don’t need Antonov’s cars. An-148 is barely in Cuba and in Iran, leasing sales through Ilyushin finance. So there is nothing surprising.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 December 2019 18: 30
          +1
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          Tell me which Antonov planes are in high demand.

          Yes, not what. It was not necessary to stand, but to move forward. Of course, who needs the AN-24 model of 1960.
      5. Piramidon
        Piramidon 13 December 2019 13: 38
        +8
        Quote: krot
        Such an enterprise went to the Sumerians from the Soviet Union, and so it’s worthless to crap ..

        To be honest and objective, Russia is also not without sin. I don’t presume to describe the whole country, but this is what happened to KZKT (Kurgan Wheel Tractor Plant) and now the supply of these machines depends on the whims of the "Father".
        This is the shopping center "RIO" in the shops of the former town-forming enterprise

        Entrance to the main workshop
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 December 2019 15: 45
          -5
          There is a BAZ and KAMAZ is now completing the platform.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 13 December 2019 16: 49
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            There is a BAZ and KAMAZ is now completing the platform.

            That's exactly what they are completing, but there was already an established production. So I'm talking about the fact that here we are constantly Svidomo fraternity muzzle in their shit, but we do not notice anything. You have to be honest to the end. As I.A. Krylov said:
            Than to consider the gossips to work,
            Isn't it better to pour on yourself, godfather, turn around?
            hi
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 December 2019 20: 05
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            KamAZ is now completing the platform.

              Today 50 years KAMAZ on TV said in the news that makes the best trucks in the world.
      6. Uncle Izya
        Uncle Izya 13 December 2019 15: 57
        0
        Well, Zil also ruined Azlk, not only among hawkers
    2. Finches
      Finches 13 December 2019 13: 12
      +6
      You can, of course, have fun, but remembering that we have deputies in the Duma with a second citizenship, people teach us how to live in the central state channels - citizens or tax residents of NATO countries, the question arises - why are we better than our smaller brothers? As for Antonov, then we had the same thing 20 years ago! They are a little behind ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 13 December 2019 13: 28
        +1
        exactly what we already had. and having a similar example before our eyes, jumping on the same rake can only not very smart people) this is the most ridiculous. and citizenship, for starters, you need to understand that dual citizenship and two citizenships are not the same thing. for example, I was born in another country, and when I turned I do not remember my 18 I received a letter that I can at any time obtain citizenship of that country. but since there is no agreement, I must abandon the Russian one. it does not suit me therefore I did not receive. but there are countries with which this is not necessary. Italy for example. in our country this law does not prohibit. but in Ukraine it’s forbidden. And I personally don’t really understand how it is possible that not only do everyone know about second citizenship, they also give posts. the mess is complete.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 December 2019 18: 37
          0
          Quote: carstorm 11
          and having a similar example before our eyes, only not very smart people can jump on the same rake

          Although there is such a saying, you always learn from your mistakes, and not from strangers.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 13 December 2019 13: 36
        +2
        Zyablintsev, dear .. Yes, you are right. Only in the industry can we recall the Saratov Aircraft Plant. Smolensk plant partially saved orders from KTRV.
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 13 December 2019 13: 36
      +4
      On the contrary, it is worth patting the horses. A competitor to our aircraft is being killed. I hope that Antonov will cease to exist under Zelts. And also the plant named after Malyshev and KB South.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 13: 37
      +2
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Abromavicius. Surname speaks for itself

      A citizen of another state, born in another state, who has taken an oath to another state, cannot do good to anyone else.
    5. igor67
      igor67 13 December 2019 14: 29
      +1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Abromavicius. The surname speaks for itself))
      Looks like that thief.

      Goodbye Antonov. We will miss you.

      why do you think so? ANTK Antonov’s aerodrome is located in Gastomel, Mriya gathered there, I was there several times on a business trip, according to AN22,
    6. Mityay65
      Mityay65 13 December 2019 15: 39
      +5
      In fairness, it is worth noting that the same fate awaits our glorious Khrunichev ...
      In its place, a beautiful residential complex was erected in a booth, I believe, an elite one, because "The first law of real estate" says - location, location and again location belay
      So, gentlemen - comrades, it is more appropriate for us to cry not about Antonov, who died as an aircraft concern many years ago, and now they just take out the garbage, but about what is still alive, but soon, very soon will die - about Khrunichev ... angry
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      2. Laksamana besar
        Laksamana besar 14 December 2019 21: 43
        -1
        Quote: Mityai65
        In fairness, it is worth noting that the same fate awaits our glorious Khrunichev ...
        In its place, a beautiful residential complex was built, I believe, an elite ...

        There will be a National Space Center on the territory of the plant, where 20 thousand employees of Roscosmos enterprises from Moscow and the region will transfer. One of the NCC options:

        The rest of the unused territories were allocated to create a huge research and production cluster in the capital. Pro-in family "Angara" will be transferred to Omsk.
    7. cost
      cost 13 December 2019 15: 53
      -1
      the head of "Ukroboronprom" proposes to get rid of the plant of the concern "Antonov" in Kiev, and in its place to begin building. At the same time, the plant itself promises to “transfer”.

      One of the bad signs is that there are pickles before the fight, and drink them with milk (s).
  2. eagle owl
    eagle owl 13 December 2019 12: 59
    +1
    Maladians! Although in fact, back in the 15th year there was a conversation about what kind of debts to China (disruption of grain supplies already by a billion evergreens) - all that was valuable from Antonov to China left, and then the specialists followed. so there and carry something only walls and ceiling
  3. K-50
    K-50 13 December 2019 12: 59
    +2
    The man with American and Lithuanian passports, who heads Ukroboronprom, came up with an initiative to “change the profile of industrial areas” of the Antonov aircraft manufacturing concern in Kiev. We are talking about Aivaras Abromavicius, who from December 2014 to April 2016 served as Minister of Economic Development of Ukraine.

    So he did not develop that from the industry of Ukraine, inherited from the occupation of Russia, remained "horns and legs". fellow laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 13: 39
      0
      Quote: K-50
      So he did not develop that from the industry of Ukraine, inherited from the occupation of Russia, remained "horns and legs".

      Alien man, why does he need Ukraine.
  4. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 13 December 2019 13: 00
    -2
    The words of some dude is not a decision of business and the state.
    1. Den717
      Den717 13 December 2019 13: 15
      +4
      Quote: Qwertyarion
      The words of some dude is not a decision of business and the state.

      This "dude" is the head of the Ukroboronprom concern.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 December 2019 13: 39
        +2
        Quote: Den717
        This "dude" is the head of the Ukroboronprom concern.

        One word is "Dude".
        1. Den717
          Den717 13 December 2019 16: 57
          -1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          One word is "Dude".

          I hope this dude will free Ukraine from its incorporeal dreams of the Ukrainian aircraft industry.
  5. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 13 December 2019 13: 01
    0
    What kind of people posted this info. Who needs it. If Ukrainians, then why are they on the site.
    1. opus
      opus 13 December 2019 13: 07
      +1
      Quote: VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
      What kind of people posted this info. Who needs it. If Ukrainians, then why are they on the site.

      this, that would not be an association with

      The general director of "Roskosmos" Dmitry Rogozin promised the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin not to sell land in the center of them. Khrunicheva, whose state-owned corporation is currently engaged in financial rehabilitation. This was reported on the Kremlin website.

      only the National Space Center in Moscow will be built

      Thanks to the relocation of 17 enterprises, about 30 hectares of land in different parts of Moscow will be freed up - this is tens of billions of rubles that will be used to develop the National Space Center
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 December 2019 15: 49
        0
        Khrunichev is an office with 130 billion rubles of debt.
        1. opus
          opus 13 December 2019 15: 58
          -1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Khrunichev is an office with 130 billion rubles of debt.

          and Antov, about whom he speaks in the article how many debts?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 December 2019 22: 54
          -1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Khrunichev is an office with 130 billion rubles of debt.

          And who sawed it?
        3. nickname7
          nickname7 14 December 2019 12: 48
          0
          Khrunichev has a fuel plant, someone has privatized it and has inflated prices, Roskosmos is crying, which is very expensive, but rockets must be launched, you have to take loans and buy fuel.
  6. bk316
    bk316 13 December 2019 13: 01
    +1
    The idea is of course "wonderful" to build an elite apartment on the site of the plant.
    They peeped at our bourgeoisie.
    But I think, as always, the zrada will come out, because a great demand for housing is needed.
    Is he in Kiev like in Moscow?
    There is even a quarter on the site of ZiL that is still not populated.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 13 December 2019 13: 26
      +2
      There is even a quarter on the site of ZiL that is still not populated.
      Only in Moscow there are dozens of such places, ZIL, AZLK, MIKMA, Khovrinskaya hospital, they are simply one of the largest in area.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 December 2019 15: 50
        -4
        Khovrinskaya was demolished, sort of - and unfinished due to an incorrect design, the building began to go underground.
    2. prior
      prior 13 December 2019 15: 49
      0
      But isn’t it time to build a Sobyanin center in Khrunichev’s place?
      A place for Medvedev Center and Putin Center should also be thought about .... maybe the Kremlin should be demolished along with GUM?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 December 2019 16: 11
        -2
        Putin - the center in St. Petersburg will open after 2024. All other monuments do not deserve, let alone museums.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 December 2019 22: 51
        -1
        Quote: prior
        About the place under Medvedev Center

        It's time to think.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 22: 53
      0
      Quote: bk316
      There is even a quarter on the site of ZiL that is still not populated.

      The main thing is to destroy, capture, build, cut down the dough, hit the road in the United States.
  7. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 13 December 2019 13: 03
    -1
    In short "raised" Antonov ...
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 13 December 2019 13: 18
      0
      the head of "Ukroboronprom" proposes to get rid of the plant of the concern "Antonov" in Kiev, and in its place to begin building. At the same time, the plant itself promises to “transfer”. The new site for the plant should, according to the idea, be the village of Gostomel, located near Kiev.

      Not yet. They want to "transfer". But have not "transferred" yet.
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 13 December 2019 13: 20
        0
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        the head of "Ukroboronprom" proposes to get rid of the plant of the concern "Antonov" in Kiev, and in its place to begin building. At the same time, the plant itself promises to “transfer”. The new site for the plant should, according to the idea, be the village of Gostomel, located near Kiev.

        Not yet. They want to "transfer". But have not "transferred" yet.

        Yeah. "Change their minds" go ..
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 13 December 2019 14: 09
      0
      And they moved closer to the cemetery)))
  8. tihon4uk
    tihon4uk 13 December 2019 13: 15
    +2
    Ha ha ha, they forgot about ZIL already. Our hucksters are no better.
    1. Artemiy_2
      Artemiy_2 13 December 2019 13: 52
      +2
      ZIL is not the only truck manufacturer in the Russian Federation. And the death of Antonov means the death of all aircraft industry of Ukraine
      Incorrect comparison
      1. 210ox
        210ox 13 December 2019 14: 15
        +5
        Disagree.Na ZIL, many were tied. In the same Yartsevo, the diesel engine plant and the iron foundry were buzzing, these are the city-forming enterprises built in the 70s. There are thousands of such "zilov" all over the country. And why should we now worry about the aircraft industry of Ukraine?
        1. Artemiy_2
          Artemiy_2 13 December 2019 15: 25
          +1
          Isn't the engine factory in Yartsevo bankrupt in the 90s? There is now another enterprise
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 December 2019 22: 50
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          And why should we worry now about the aircraft industry of Ukraine?

          It can only make us feel better.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 22: 42
      0
      Quote: tihon4uk
      Ha ha ha, they forgot about ZIL already. Our hucksters are no better.

      They will surpass everyone else.
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 13 December 2019 13: 15
    +1
    Yes, this is how the finale is seen.
  10. beeper
    beeper 13 December 2019 13: 22
    +2
    A hardened vrazhina, this Lithuanian American! He’s still a bug, from the Americanoid "servants of the enemies of the people"! negative
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 22: 48
      +1
      Quote: pishchak
      A hardened vrazhina, this Lithuanian American! He’s still a bug, from the Americanoid "servants of the enemies of the people"!

      For Ukraine he is a friend.
      1. beeper
        beeper 14 December 2019 01: 54
        +1
        For post-Maidan Ukraine, which is the Washington Bandero "project Ukraine" - of course, he is still that "American friend for money (turn big money!)"! request
        But by no means a friend for the Ukrainian-occupied working population of Washington!
        And, by and large, he is "not a friend" for the stillborn (this was already clear at the very beginning of the Ameroholuy "Nezalezhnosti", proclaimed at the Petliura-Natsiukov xenophobic "ambushes" - in its essence, in general, " basics "- in the translation of this word from MOVE into Russian! winked ) anti-Russian-Russophobic "nezalezhnoy state" on the "patchwork territory" of the ex-Ukrainian SSR with a predominantly Russian-speaking MULTINATIONAL population!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 14 December 2019 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: pishchak
          for post-Maidan Ukraine, which is the Washington Bandero "project Ukraine" - of course, he is still that "American friend for the money (turn big money!)"!

          Like Vysotsky "This is our great Guinean friend." Vladimir saw far away.
  11. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 13 December 2019 13: 23
    +1
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    Abromavicius. The surname speaks for itself))
    Looks like that thief.

    Goodbye Antonov. We will miss you.

    If you look the truth, then this circumstance should be rejoiced. And not only because the Nazis should not have priority technologies, but also because even a friendly country should not be a strong competitor. Alliance and collaboration must be forgotten.
  12. Alien From
    Alien From 13 December 2019 13: 27
    +2
    Of course, planes are not residential complexes to build, for this we still need brains and fat not swam ....
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 December 2019 10: 36
      0
      Quote: Alien From
      Of course, planes are not residential complexes to build, for this we still need brains and fat not swam ....

      But without fat and planes you can’t build.
  13. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 13 December 2019 13: 28
    +1
    Quote: tihon4uk
    Ha ha ha, they forgot about ZIL already. Our hucksters are no better.

    Only in conditions of a completely closed economy, closed from competition and common sense, can there exist industries with a million-ton load hanging on well-working people. The state will NEVER bankrupt what it created. such as government ZIL, produced dozens a year, privileged factories. Consuming a budget created by others. Nature does not tolerate d and t and z m a. The props fell, ugliness collapsed.
  14. Al Asad
    Al Asad 13 December 2019 13: 41
    +4
    Forgive us, Oleg Konstantinovich, ungrateful descendants.
    We all do **** whether ............
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 22: 48
      +1
      Quote: Al Asad
      Forgive us, Oleg Konstantinovich, ungrateful descendants.

      Do you think they understood this?
  15. BAI
    BAI 13 December 2019 13: 41
    +1
    took the initiative to “change the profile of industrial areas” of the Antonov aircraft manufacturing concern in Kiev.

    Good offer. Flag in his hands and a fair wind in his back.
  16. rocket757
    rocket757 13 December 2019 13: 57
    +3
    And in vain they "MRIYA" vazyukat yellow-blue paint !!!
    It was the brainchild of the Soviet Union and no other way!
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 13 December 2019 14: 14
      +5
      Say thank you for not embroidering an embroidered shirt on an airplane-)
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 December 2019 14: 20
        0
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Say thank you for not embroidering an embroidered shirt on an airplane-)

        And so, too, could ???
        However, now it’s too late, these birds are not flying. The wings were completely cut to them.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 22: 43
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      And in vain they "MRIYA" vazyukat yellow-blue paint !!!

      There is no more paint.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 December 2019 16: 55
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: rocket757
        And in vain they "MRIYA" vazyukat yellow-blue paint !!!

        There is no more paint.

        They’ve found the paint, they continue to mazyukat anywhere, there’s NO more aircraft industry.
  17. Basarev
    Basarev 13 December 2019 13: 57
    -1
    But what if the precious land of Antonov was precisely the true goal of all decommunization and war with the Soviet past? And all the demolitions of the monuments were just decoration.
  18. evgen1221
    evgen1221 13 December 2019 14: 07
    -1
    Well, if you invite the manager to lead your country from behind a hill and with another citizenship, it is quite expected that he will realize the goals nirazu not at your expense.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 December 2019 10: 43
      0
      Quote: evgen1221
      Well, if you invite the manager to lead your country from behind a hill and with another citizenship, it is quite expected that he will realize the goals nirazu not at your expense.

      The manager of another state and with dual citizenship (but not Ukrainian) is invited so that there is at least some kind of control over theft, if you put your Ukrainian, everyone will be taken away, the Kara Kuma desert will remain.
  19. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 13 December 2019 14: 13
    -1
    You’re going the right way, comrades! -) why are the pan-wing aircraft?
  20. Sibguest
    Sibguest 13 December 2019 14: 28
    0
    I saw Oleg Konstantinovich Antonov for the year of his departure: he spoke at the annual freshmen initiation at KIIGA.
    Hmmm ... if he knew what awaits his brainchild.
  21. Eug
    Eug 13 December 2019 14: 30
    0
    In Kharkov, they are still silent, but elite high-rise buildings have come quite close to the south end of the takeoff. I strongly doubt that apartment owners will be calm about taking off planes above their houses (this is if the aircraft factory works).
  22. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 13 December 2019 14: 38
    0
    Building is good, even good. New jobs, well-fed families of hard workers. Happy newcomers.
  23. ioan-e
    ioan-e 13 December 2019 14: 40
    -1
    And you can first return the plant and Antonov Design Bureau to Novosibirsk, and then let them do what they want.
  24. ydjin
    ydjin 13 December 2019 14: 46
    -1
    Ukraine is increasingly slipping from the status of an industrialized country to the status of a subsistence economy. It is simply ingenious how in 30 years to destroy industry and the army to the level of a banana republic! They are simply World champions in this discipline.
  25. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 13 December 2019 14: 59
    +3
    Quote: 210ox
    Really? And several more factories of the association in Yartsevo, Smolensk, Roslavl ?! Which are city-forming (especially in Yartsevo). Yes, and where does the ZIL in the end. We have hundreds and thousands of them.

    If there is garbage in your head and you don’t understand why this happened, listen.

    The completely isolated economy of the USSR, which does not communicate with the outside world either financially, informationally, or technologically, in conditions of team-voluntarism, and the lack of competition when we sell ANY product, brought production to a state where we spent per kilogram of energy production in 5 times more, and raw materials 10 times more. Cubic meter of gas = 4 kopecks. Kilowatt hours = 2 kopecks. Gasoline is cheaper than sparkling water. Who will take care of saving? Low prices are protected by impenetrable borders. And now there are no borders. Beauty, drag and sell abroad. Estonia has become the world's second largest copper exporter. After Chile, which has 80% of all world copper ore reserves.
    Bread 20 kopecks. With the price abroad = 1 dollar. Where will he go to Voronezh, or to Paris? Which one and the other will drag the pipe to Siberian villages, because there you need a hundred thousand km of pipes, but the return on the amount spent on the pipeline will be a couple of million years?
    That's why ....
    What to do in order not to die from the universal and barbaric harassment?
    2 ways. There is no third and never will be.
    1. Restore the borders around Russia. This is 60 thousand km. Long. Do not have time. Dying.
    2. Make prices the same as in Paris. Quickly, in one night.
    But the contributions of citizens in a couple of thousand rubles, on average, turned to dust in that very second.
    And our tractors, televisions, and everything else with primitive characteristics and high ALREADY costs for everything, materials, energy, became neither in ...... nor in the Red Army. Of course, production died that same year.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 13 December 2019 15: 05
      -1
      Quote: Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk

      In the case, and with pictures. Plus one hundred good
  26. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 13 December 2019 15: 05
    -1
    well ... that was something Comrade Stalin did when Antonov transferred from Novosibirsk to Kiev
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 December 2019 16: 14
      -3
      Russia has transported and created too much of everything in the Ukrainian SSR.
      1. Sewer krainiy
        Sewer krainiy 13 December 2019 18: 21
        0
        Anyway ... The Government of the Soviet Union has created too much on the southern and western borders of the Union. Then the assembly shops of the Union were built on the border of Europe: Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states, delivery closer. Who knew that a hunchbacked with a drunk would ruin everything, and we (the people) would pump it up ..

        Russia has transported and created too much of everything in the Ukrainian SSR.
  27. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 13 December 2019 15: 12
    0
    Quote: Alien From
    Of course, planes are not residential complexes to build, for this we still need brains and fat not swam ....

    Residential complexes also need to be built with brains in their head, and not fat.
    Housing and communal services, both there and ours (neither they nor we had brains), will still show us all where the crayfish hibernate.
  28. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 13 December 2019 15: 27
    0
    Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
    well ... that was something Comrade Stalin did when Antonov transferred from Novosibirsk to Kiev

    Comrade Stalin did not do this when he created the USSR from national pieces. Russia had ONLY 2 structures with national names, the Polish Principality and Finland. The latter even had its own currency.
    AND CONDITIONAL national borders in times of distress, when everyone is bad, have become UNCONDITIONAL. The accursed comrade Lenin himself signed, such a bastard, the Decrees of the separation of these national entities, but together with his Georgian friend, did what is called a mine under the country. United Russia, which does not have Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Chechnya, Estonia, or anything else, suddenly became an AGGRESSOR. We bow to these bastards, raise a stone and throw them at the graves.
  29. prior
    prior 13 December 2019 15: 33
    0
    It would be more profitable for an agricultural superpower to smash vegetable beds on the site of Antonov’s workshops and take-off.
    It will be something to feed the next Maidan ....
  30. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 15: 45
    +1
    As they say, let the Abramovich’s garden .. Well, then you yourself know what happens to the garden .. Oh suburb, disgraceful such an aircraft building company was stolen .. They built the whole Union, and which specialists were unique?

    Debriefing "brothers" will still be for everything ...
    1. Sewer krainiy
      Sewer krainiy 13 December 2019 18: 37
      +1
      As if not entirely on the topic, but I will add: the Black Sea shipbuilding plant (40 thousand workers), the 61 Kommunar plant, the Ocean plant, an aircraft repair plant in Oktyabrsky, the Southern Turbine Plant (YuTZ) in Nikolaev, it seems, will also be built up soon ... Alumina behind Varvarovka ... Is there something seriously working (city-forming) and producing products of heavy engineering in Nikolaev? Maybe he is behind the times, there is still something left. Nikolaev was a shipbuilding city, a closed city. It's a pity.
      1. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 13 December 2019 19: 21
        +1
        Quote: Sewer Krainiy
        It’s not quite on the topic, but I’ll add:

        Yes you are right Peter! No country could stand such a rout and theft .. And it’s a pseudo-state, stick to Russophobia .. hehe IMF threw another bone at them at 3 billion ..
        We will wait and observe this agony .. And what else do the men do?
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 December 2019 22: 45
        0
        Quote: Sewer Krainiy
        Nikolaev was a shipbuilder city, a closed city. Sorry.

        Do not cut the patient.
  31. Astra wild
    Astra wild 13 December 2019 15: 55
    0
    Good intention and worthy of respect, but there are only 2 questions: 1) why is the plant bad in its former place? And 2) in what century do they intend to build a plant?
  32. Berkut24
    Berkut24 13 December 2019 15: 56
    0
    The United States is finishing off a competitor.
    In general, I would suggest registering somewhere in Omsk some kind of Antonov Design Bureau and already under its roof to develop some "Elephant" and other projects, which some of our famous design bureaus sometimes call "non-core projects"
  33. Astra wild
    Astra wild 13 December 2019 15: 58
    0
    Quote: 7,62x54
    Building is good, even good. New jobs, well-fed families of hard workers. Happy newcomers.

    And in what century will the new building be?
  34. Astra wild
    Astra wild 13 December 2019 16: 03
    0
    Quote: pishchak
    A hardened vrazhina, this Lithuanian American! He’s still a bug, from the Americanoid "servants of the enemies of the people"! negative

    And the name is almost Abramovich, maybe he is from Lithuanian Jews?
  35. boris
    boris 13 December 2019 16: 38
    +3
    For information Dvk Vkd.
    The economy of the USSR was never completely isolated from the world.
    There are a million examples of this. Have you ever heard of CMEA? Or didn’t live
    when the Union and did not see on store shelves goods from the most
    petalistic countries? Those same capitalist countries are many
    what they bought from the Union, and the raw materials were not there in the main positions.
    Yes, there was a state monopoly of foreign trade. But today's
    reality shows that it was more a blessing,
    than a disadvantage. And the total economy of the USSR + CMEA + is still a number
    friendly (and partially friendly) states was quite
    comparable to the total global economy. That is why
    such efforts have been invested in the collapse of the Union. And all the talk
    poor product quality - largely marketing
    politics.
  36. Lesorub
    Lesorub 13 December 2019 16: 58
    +1
    In Kiev, meanwhile, they continue to ponder over how the occupation of a state post by Abromavicius fits in with the violation of the law on second citizenship. Apparently, this does not interfere with Abromavicius himself and those who appointed him to a new high post.

    In Kiev, before that - the ministers "pro led" with dual citizenship from the Americans to the Poles - an explicit external government of the country. Bankrupt Antonov - now they want to raze him to the ground - a shameful inability to preserve the enormous potential once left from the USSR.
  37. svoit
    svoit 13 December 2019 18: 21
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    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    Goodbye Antonov. We will miss you.

    Is he ours? It would be ours, it would be a pity, and so he is an enemy state, So this Euro-American is doing everything right, the flag is in his hands, only we need to remind you that there is also Yuzhmash, but it should not be, it must be corrected. It’s better to grow potatoes, otherwise they’ll probably buy cheap from Russia.
  38. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 13 December 2019 19: 25
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    Why do they (Ukraine wassat ) Aviation Plant. Antonova - UAVs are buying UAVs, they will also buy airplanes or accept used airplanes as a gift ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2019 22: 46
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      Quote: cat Rusich
      And why do they (Ukraine) aviation plant them. Antonova - UAVs are buying UAVs, they will also buy airplanes or accept used airplanes as a gift ...

      Born to crawl, can’t fly.
  39. LeonidL
    LeonidL 14 December 2019 03: 58
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    Faithful path creep Svidomo panove! The yellow-black-haired warrant officer is in your wallet!
  40. zenitovets
    zenitovets 14 December 2019 13: 30
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    Instead of Anteyev, to produce, well, for example, condoms - with the smell of Rotaru (mountain lavender). And glamorous, and patriotic!
  41. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 14 December 2019 17: 56
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    Quote: Astra wild
    Good intention and worthy of respect, but there are only 2 questions: 1) why is the plant bad in its former place? And 2) in what century do they intend to build a plant?

    The bad thing is that it does not work. Pull off is fast. We, in Russia, were no less strangled.
    What saves us is that we are big. Not everyone had time. And we didn’t have powders. Although, EBN did no less harm. And the laws of nature are invincible. The excess dies away, like a man’s tail has died away.
  42. UA3QHP
    UA3QHP 14 December 2019 17: 58
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    Quote: zenitovets
    to produce, for example, condoms - with the smell of Rotaru (mountain lavender). And glamorous, and patriotic!

    Not patriotic, lavender is mainly grown in Crimea.
  43. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 14 December 2019 18: 13
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    Quote: borys
    For information Dvk Vkd.
    The economy of the USSR was never completely isolated from the world.
    There are a million examples of this. Have you ever heard of CMEA? Or didn’t live
    when the Union and did not see on store shelves goods from the most
    petalistic countries? Those same capitalist countries are many
    what they bought from the Union, and the raw materials were not there in the main positions.
    Yes, there was a state monopoly of foreign trade. But today's
    reality shows that it was more a blessing,
    than a disadvantage. And the total economy of the USSR + CMEA + is still a number
    friendly (and partially friendly) states was quite
    comparable to the total global economy. That is why
    such efforts have been invested in the collapse of the Union. And all the talk
    poor product quality - largely marketing
    politics.

    Apparently, you do not understand what you are writing.
    All CMEA countries were completely dependent and controlled by the USSR. Everywhere, there, they worked according to general plans, coordinating volumes, nomenclature, and prices for products. Using Soviet standards, and even without translation into their languages. In other words, the borders of the virtual USSR were along the external borders of the CMEA. How many times in those years have you been in capstran countries? How much and what in those years could you buy from goods manufactured by TAM? And how can you judge the difference in technical requirements for, say, electronics? How did the goods from HERE with the Soviet compete? How did we take into account innovations in technologies, quality characteristics and prices for our products, compared with THEIR?
    How could they increase technological improvements in the planned trading of all types of goods? When did the quantity produced exactly match the quantity sold? How will Zhiguli cars be good if they were produced only in quantities 1/40 necessary for the needs of the population? You were ready to buy it without wheels and a windshield. And the assertion that Soviet cars are super reliable, go for 30 years is from stupidity, and not from the quality of the machines. You could not change it like they did after 5 years of operation, climbing under it and endlessly repairing with your own hands. Maintenance workshops were few, especially in small towns.
  44. mechanic
    mechanic 15 December 2019 00: 54
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    However, the Antonov concern was sentenced back in 2014 when Confectioner was congratulated from the Kremlin on his presidency. And right now, there are different abromavichus-hirelings commanding a firing squad "pli" !!!
    "Antonov" was beginning to fall apart a little when Antonov, and then Balabuev and Juda Kiva, were warmed on his chest!
    So - FENITA !!!

    PS. By the way, a similar situation with "Motor Sich" with the filing of the "red" grabber-director Boguslaev
  45. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 15 December 2019 10: 10
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    Everything is correct. It’s time to get rid of the Soviet legacy. By the way, what are Ukrainians doing in Polish Lviv and the Romanian Chernivtsi ??
  46. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 15 December 2019 10: 56
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    So what? A very good initiative for non-fallowing, and most importantly timely! In a fig to them a factory, if you can build. Ukrobandera do not understand that Abromavichus is an agent of Putin!