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When a fire was liquidated at the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr, a soldier was killed

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When a fire was liquidated at the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr, a soldier was killed

When the fire was eliminated on the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrying cruiser, a contract serviceman was killed, and one officer is being searched. This was reported in the press service of the North fleet.


During the elimination of the source of smoke, one of the soldiers of the Northern Fleet died. Search for an officer from the survivability service of the ship continues

- said in a statement.

As specified in the press service, a contract serviceman died in the "struggle for survivability of the compartment" and was discovered by a search team in one of the premises. An officer from the ship’s survivability service at the very beginning of the fire decided to go down to the site of the welding work to evacuate the people there.

Search for military personnel by emergency rescue teams did not stop from the moment all the workers left the emergency compartment and the liquidation of the smoke center began

- Said the press service.

As previously reported, on Thursday a fire broke out on the aircraft undergoing repair by the Admiral Kuznetsov cruiser, the area of ​​which reached 500 sq. meters. According to the latest data, 12 people were injured during the liquidation of the fire. The main reason is poisoning by combustion products.

The preliminary cause of the fire is a violation of safety precautions during repair work. A criminal case has been instituted on this fact.

According to the head of the USC, Alexei Rakhmanov, the incident will not affect the timing of the delivery of the cruiser to the customer.
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  1. GKS 2111
    GKS 2111 13 December 2019 09: 36
    +29
    Kingdom of heaven, sailors ...
    Capital letter-An officer from the ship’s survivability service at the very beginning of the fire decided to go down to the site of the welding work to evacuate the people there.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 13 December 2019 10: 02
      +11
      There was a strong fire.
      1. Simple
        Simple 13 December 2019 10: 42
        -5
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        There was a strong fire.


        Good morning.

        By what signs do you judge the power of a fire?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 13 December 2019 12: 01
          0
          Quote: Simple

          Good morning.

          By what signs do you judge the power of a fire?

          Smoke
          1. Simple
            Simple 14 December 2019 10: 56
            0
            Wrong answer.
            "Minus" I did not put - I have no such habit.
            There are enough "figures" here without me.
            Sincerely.
        2. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 13 December 2019 12: 49
          +10
          I remembered another fire. In 1991 or 1992. I had free time and I went "for lunch" to my classmate in the dormitory of the 4th submarine brigade right along the wall of the Dalzavod. As usual, after eating fried potatoes and talking about politics, he returned to his ship the same way. Walking to the "Tallinn", then tolerantly renamed "Vladivostok", I noticed a strange crowd of people from far away strongly resembled members of our crew. Coming closer, I saw that it was so, and when asked by one of the officers, perhaps it was Art. engineer BCH-7 Smironov - why are you, Pavel Mikhailovich, not in an emergency party, I said something like "holy-holy" and accelerated my step to my native "Discreet". In addition to ours, another party came running, in my opinion from the "Sentinel", everyone crowded at the gangway, but no one got on the ship. Then, after a couple of hours, 11 or 14 fire trucks arrived. (the number over the years may be exaggerated). At that moment, I even thought it was excessive. The emergency crews were returned to their ships, but the firefighters did not spill the compartments, apparently they were afraid of loss of stability, although who will understand what is in their heads ("Winter cherry"). When the paint from the sides of the ship had already clearly begun to peel off, outlining the contours of the two burning compartments, it became clear that everything that was happening was far from training, and while still under the impression of the Anglo-Argentine conflict, I thought - how would the fire spread to the superstructure. In the end, two fire boats approached and began to water the sides, bringing down the temperature. This continued for 15-20 hours, until, apparently, the compartments were completely burnt out.
          Literally, hot on the heels, I don't remember with whom, I talked about the causes of the accident. I'll give you the version I heard.
          It was, as I said, at lunchtime. The ship on duty, as usual since Peter's times, went to skim the foam in the galley, then, obviously, to the wardroom. The foreman, the assistant on duty, also deigned to go to have a bite. After he returned, sending the soldier to the dining room, he, according to a long-standing naval tradition, asked him if everything was in order, and if any incidents had happened during my absence. The sailor, in a pure spirit, answered, they say "everything is fine, beautiful marquise", with the exception of a trifle, supposedly the welder got off the ship, and passing by, by chance, dropped the phrase - there is a fire in your fifth (?) Compartment, you say, figure it out ... A fire, so a fire, what a matter of everyday life! And the assistant began to wait for the person on duty (maybe he tried to call loudly a couple of times). When the duty officer impeccably provided food for the personnel and returned to the duty room, he heard about the same as his assistant. Then it started spinning. There is no emergency party of its own due to lack of personnel. Someone, possibly the duty officer, rushed into the compartment for reconnaissance, but since everyone was assigned from other ships, not knowing the location of the premises, he could not establish the source of the fire and its area. While they were running back and forth, someone (and it was not the same welder !!!) reported to Dalzavod about the fire, the electricity immediately disappeared. Whom they caught, took to the wall, counted, turned out to be all, crossed themselves. I have already described the further development of events.
          But there was one more thing, and it was not by chance that I mentioned the role of Dalzavod. When the fire began, and it began during the production of welding work with gross violations (one welder, none of the personnel, perhaps even the duty officer, did not know about the work), quite by accident, two hero sailors appeared in the fire area, who started putting out the fire without notifying anyone. And they say they had almost extinguished it when "the electricity ran out" and they realized that "there would be no kin." Thank God without consequences, we went out with the whole crew to the wall. You ask, what does Dalzavod have to do with it? After all, this is the direct fault of the welder and the organizer of the work? I'll tell you. When they reported to the management of the plant about the fire, Ch. the engineer (let me remind you that my primary source is responsible for the personalities), ordered to disconnect the ship from the TP (in my opinion, the container TPushka was on the wall). Accordingly, the electricity went out, the pumps stopped, and the fire, which had already been extinguished, resumed. Thus, at the cost of the ship, the Dalzavod TPushka was saved.
          Here is a story. I repeat, over the past years, I can fool in the details, by the way I am an amateur fisherman and have every right to do so.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 13 December 2019 17: 09
            +4
            Quote: pmkemcity
            That's the story.

            Pal Mikhalych, as you had a mess in the Pacific Fleet, so it has not been eradicated and remained ... Correctly at the time, military leader Volobuev said: "The country of unafraid go-ots!" And the worst thing in this story is that the sailors were not taught even the elementary - ship rules! And in them in black and white: the first one who noticed a fire, smoke, the flow of outboard water MUST voice an emergency alarm and proceed to extinguish the fire (eliminate the accident) ... Not awkwardly, but the essence is ... And your mityukhs decided to play heroes whether? And dezh service - not in P., not in the Red Army! About the welder and Ch. I generally keep quiet!
            But the question is: where were the ship’s mechanics at that time? Or did they also heroically fall off the ship like everyone else?
            In short - you upset me with your story ... crying
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 13 December 2019 17: 49
              +4
              The ship was under repair. There were 20 people assigned there. I repeat that "the Kunaki are not from our area." And what is the service in the BSRK? The officers from the patrols did not climb out, the sailors from outfit to outfit. When, in violation of all laws, our cap set up a punishment cell in one of the enclosures, there was no end to those who wanted to sleep off. You, of course, loudly said about idiots, I would describe that time as a midshipman from "72 meters", whom Garmash played - everyone went crazy. Art. BCh-7 engineer Smirnov bought an air bag in the sport store and every day went to the fence of the mill with a couple of sailors to shoot pigeons (Dalzavod bordered on the mill). They will fill a couple of duffel bags - the crew will have lunch. Why are there pigeons! Not on the ship, all over Vladivostok there was no salt in the stores for a month! In December 92, I was taking a team from Kemerovo to Vladivostok. We spent the night at the train station in Chita and decided to go for a run through the nearest shops. On the shelves were only champagne and three-liter jars of pickles. All! They didn't even buy bread, but they were already tired of ration biscuits. Like this.
            2. Simple
              Simple 14 December 2019 11: 07
              0
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              .And your mituses decided to play heroes or what?


              The question is not for me, but:

              At our work, regular training is given on fire safety rules for everyone.
              And in addition to a solid algorithm, how to act in case of fire.
              Instructors (and they are quite experienced people) sometimes give their advice on what is shown or told.
              Generally. if it was not possible to localize the source of ignition with one fire extinguisher, then you should leave the room by closing the doors behind you and allow the professionals to continue the fight against the fire - you’re a firefighter.
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 14 December 2019 13: 54
            +2
            Quote: pmkemcity
            You ask, and where does the Dalzavod? After all, here is the direct fault of the welder and the organizer of work?

            From the web:
            What a fireman should know about a welder!

            1. A welder is a **** by definition. Among the welders there are quite decent and sane specimens, but this is rather the exception.
            2. The welder is practically impossible to train.
            3. Welders permanently spoil the waste of their life - specifically (even though they deny it) aiming at places where soft, fluffy and low-combustible objects are stacked.
            4. When the welder is explained the abomination of his behavior (the so-called briefing before starting work), he looks into the eyes and understands everything, waving a torch or an electrode holder cheerfully.
            5. Do not believe it - if a fireman turns away (or worse, move away) and the welder immediately spoils.
            6. Returning to the welder left unattended, you need to save a good stick, which should immediately hit the welder caught at the site of the violation in different parts of the body.
            7. Usually helps for a while. Welders are practically deprived of the punishment for their deeds. Also, most welders lack an elementary instinct of self-preservation.
            8. It is necessary to beat the welders constantly, moderately, but sensitively - in rubles.
            The old - now almost forgotten recipe for ancestors - rubles (metal - unless of course if they suddenly have an excess from the fireman?) Are poured into a durable bag and more ...
            9. With proper upbringing, even a welder can make a relatively decent ... man.
            10. The most important thing - well, after all, WITHOUT welders can not do. We love these arrogant, unprincipled villains. The kidnappers of our ... wallets. They are very useful.
            ZY - beat the WELDER on MIK's ruberoid roof (!) - when the roof was already slightly smoking, he fought in the basement, filled with a pair of fingers with a continuous layer of oil - and in the midst of magnificence - a cart with oxygen and acetylene cylinders and the phrase "A zhzh-zh- burn the torch. " Slightly less gloomy situations - do not count ...
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 14 December 2019 14: 01
              -3
              Quote: Captain45
              9. With proper upbringing, even a welder can make a relatively decent ... person

              Wondrous banter, plus. As for the professional deformation of labor welders, I confirm that it really has a place to be sad
            2. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 14 December 2019 15: 47
              0
              Courage and composure cannot be taken away from them. It was the case, as in the production of work, the oxygen hose was torn off the burner. and naturally, it caught fire. Lit, I’ll tell you how the Bickford cord is - slowly but surely. The balloon was 15-20 meters away. I was rushing to the hose, I thought I could squeeze it. The welder slowly groaned so slowly, got up, said, they say, this is superfluous .... He also slowly went to the cylinder and shut off the valve. Pros!
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 13 December 2019 10: 04
      +5
      I join the words of sorrow. He fulfilled his duty as many of his ranks did not fulfill his ranks above. Earth rest in peace and eternal memory.
    3. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 13 December 2019 10: 13
      +6
      Quote: GKS 2111
      Kingdom of heaven, sailors ...
      Capital letter-An officer from the ship’s survivability service at the very beginning of the fire decided to go down to the site of the welding work to evacuate the people there.

      Brave People.
      Remember in 2014: "The officer of the Interior Ministry troops of the Russian Federation, Colonel Serik Sultangabiev, proved to be a true father-commander. At the exercises held on Thursday in a military unit stationed in the Urals, Sultangabiev covered a soldier with his body who had dropped a combat grenade from his hands. was not injured at all, and the colonel was seriously wounded. "
      2016: The colonel covered his body with a soldier in a grenade explosion in the Karaganda region
      "When conducting combat grenade throwing with conscripts, Colonel Kairat Umbetov, risking his own life, covered a young soldier with his body and saved him from inevitable death," the National Guard commented.
    4. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 13 December 2019 10: 33
      +7
      It should be noted that the military carried out their direct duties to the end and did not run away due to a threat to life.
    5. Civil
      Civil 13 December 2019 11: 47
      +1
      He died due to sloppiness of hired welders.
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 13 December 2019 15: 32
        +1
        Not sure!
        The welder is an "indifferent" person (c) He was told where / what to cook, and he cooks .. Questions to ensure
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 13 December 2019 16: 14
          0
          Quote: The Siberian Barber
          Security Questions

          Undoubtedly.
          But it’s very difficult to harness a horse and a trembling fallow deer in one carriage, when on a ship that no one has withdrawn from the fleet, which means that all activities must be carried out according to the staffing table, and it is necessary, in addition, to provide gas welding and other work requiring compliance with fire safety and safety regulations.
          On Kuznetsovo there are not as many fire extinguishers as are required for each civilian welder who is involved in repairs. And no one can guarantee that ignition does not occur in those rooms and compartments in which repair work is not carried out. And these compartments and rooms on Kuznetsovo more than a thousand.
          Summary.
          A fire (or ignition) on a ship of such dimensions as the "Admiral Kuznetsov" in dock repair is almost inevitable. The main task is to avoid human casualties and minimize losses.
          1. The Siberian barber
            The Siberian barber 13 December 2019 16: 39
            0
            ... A fire (or ignition) on a ship of such dimensions as the "Admiral Kuznetsov" in dock repair is almost inevitable. The main task is to avoid human casualties and minimize losses.
            Reply

            Half of the Earth would burn))
            Neglect of the Charter / instruction / tb
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 13 December 2019 16: 43
              0
              Quote: The Siberian Barber
              Neglect of the Charter / instruction / tb

              To understand what it is, you have to go through the dock repair yourself. When the fire line connected to the coastal system does not provide the necessary pressure, it simply froze.
              1. The Siberian barber
                The Siberian barber 13 December 2019 17: 02
                0
                ...)
                In your opinion, the frost is to blame, which led to the icing of the electricity supply route from the wall, and drowned the dock, a year ago))
                ... the substance of the event preceding such work
                Forum participants have already painted everything, almost in detail many times
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 13 December 2019 17: 30
                  0
                  Quote: The Siberian Barber
                  Forum participants have already painted everything, almost in detail many times

                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  To understand what it is, you have to go through the dock repair yourself.

                  Dap gram ... the forum participants served on ships in general, served on ships with a displacement of more than 50 thousand tons, was repair at least at the wall?
                  1. The Siberian barber
                    The Siberian barber 13 December 2019 17: 46
                    0
                    Over 50, I personally did not have to, but if memory serves me, the displacement does not matter! At least 5 tons of explosives
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 13 December 2019 18: 11
                      0
                      Quote: The Siberian Barber
                      but if memory serves, then displacement does not matter!

                      I realized ... What a tug, what the SSBN. The main thing is to beautifully voice it.
                      1. The Siberian barber
                        The Siberian barber 13 December 2019 18: 32
                        0
                        Do not believe that the tugboat, that the SSBN, burns with a flame of the same color (active zone out of brackets) am I believe that tanks that armored personnel carrier
                        Maybe for you, the barn burns less brightly than the penthouse
                        By the way, the tug you neglected, or rather an accident on it, is no less dangerous (circumstances), more iron burns the same way, and people "gather"
                        There are things to neglect criminally!
                        Dialogue about nothing
                        All the best
                        hi
                      2. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 14 December 2019 00: 13
                        0
                        I still noticed that you flood flood ...
                      3. The Siberian barber
                        The Siberian barber 18 December 2019 00: 18
                        0
                        Why feed right away?
                        I had to stand in a factory. And more than once, and at different)) You won’t believe it, but somehow you did without large emergency situations! ..and neighbors, by the way, too. Of course, much / different happens. But there is a clear question to the provision of work, and to the organization of labor, in general
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 December 2019 09: 40
    +19
    Goofies! Repair fire is a human factor for sure. A pile of oiled rags on the lower deck, welding somewhere upstairs, sparks along the vertical joints (vent shakhts, cable channels) and ... voila ... The whole country is discussing a long-suffering ship.
    1. depressant
      depressant 13 December 2019 09: 49
      +14
      Sorry, I'm not discussing. I am in fierce anger. What kind of work organization is this? Who is responsible? Due to welding, arrange a grand fire on a warship?
      Sometimes I think: what is it with us? What's wrong? Why is it constantly burning?
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 13 December 2019 10: 25
        +5
        Not only gagging and total violation of safety procedures were revealed, but terrible things like the struggle for the survivability of the ship can be said. Imagine that this happens on the high seas, or during a b / d ship will be lost. According to information, the fire is still not extinguished, smoldering cables, groups of military firefighters (as they said on TV) walk through compartments and look for burning cables. They do not have fire-retardant treatment.
        Outraged !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 13 December 2019 10: 30
          +8
          The final elimination of open fire at 4,47 in Murmansk today. That is, the fire was almost a day.

          Now there is only smoke formation from the cable tracks.
      2. Labrador
        Labrador 13 December 2019 10: 27
        0
        Join.
        Found guilty and involved to convict for causing damage to the state on a large scale and manslaughter. Make the process open.
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          Vyacheslav Viktorovich 13 December 2019 11: 42
          +2
          Quote: Labrador
          find
          to condemn
          do

          Sorry, why are all verbs in indefinite form? Who are they facing? What is the point of listing them?
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 13 December 2019 12: 09
          +8
          Well, who is guilty? Easy - a team that caught fire. Responsible - who signed in the bulletin of work. Well, ship to draw - in the compartment.

          Well, not respected people, graduates of the Chicago University of Business should be held accountable.
          1. Labrador
            Labrador 13 December 2019 15: 21
            0
            So no. Let's not punish Nicago at all !? Let there be no guilty ones below, so that the performers of the work also are not afraid of anything!
            Because the mess at the top, because everyone below is going down to the mess at the top, not thinking that they themselves indulge in their indifference.
      3. bk316
        bk316 13 December 2019 13: 16
        +2
        Sometimes I think: what is it with us? What's wrong? Why is it constantly burning?

        What country do you live in?
        We always have a di from who completely neglects the rules of TB, fire information - so he gets to something and breaks it.
        And before and now, the most epic fail was probably with K-431, read it.
        1. Guillon
          Guillon 13 December 2019 14: 13
          +1
          And to carry out welding work with a nearby fire extinguisher - not an option!?! request Till this gouging will continue ?! fool Or is it intentional sabotage? !! belay
          1. bk316
            bk316 13 December 2019 15: 07
            +1
            And to carry out welding work with a nearby fire extinguisher - not an option!?!

            To be honest, not an option.
            I don’t know how at Kuz, but at my old job (back at Moscow State University) they set fire to the CC.
            We cut the racks for the servers, sparks fell into the cablegons and the dust caught fire there.
            Since the thrust in vertical boxes, the fire instantly went up.
            Imagine somewhere in the boxes burning, smoke is coming, but no fire is visible.
            Saved by the fact that the boxes were capital metal and the fire did not come out, they managed to pour on top until they glowed, but the people added gray hair.
            So no one answered for anything, they said a couple of affectionate ones, and that was 88.
      4. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 13 December 2019 13: 42
        +3
        Quote: depressant
        Sometimes I think: what is it with us? What's wrong? Why is it constantly burning?

        Tell you why? Professionalism, respected, professionalism and efficiency are two incompatible concepts ...
        The tragedy is that due to the lack of care of just these non-professionals, honest, responsible, dedicated people die ... Everywhere ... And, imagine, all the bacchanalia instantly ends with the arrival of competent and educated (with experience and merit) managers .
        hi
        1. bk316
          bk316 13 December 2019 15: 09
          0
          professionalism and efficiency are two incompatible concepts ...

          Why would it be?
          I would say these are two inseparable concepts.
          Or are you joking like that?
    2. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 13 December 2019 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Goofies! ...

      Another case of "bungling" in the fleet occurred in Primorye.
      "Feed to the bottom.
      At the Ascona plant they are deciding what to do with the B-260 Chita diesel submarine, which on the eve of it partially sank in the Sea of ​​Japan on its way from Vladivostok to the port of Nakhodka. Withdrawn from the Pacific Fleet six years ago, this submarine was handed over by the military in November to a new owner, who organized its towing for disposal. "
      https://rg.ru/2019/12/12/reg-dfo/v-primore-zatonula-spisannaia-podlodka.html
  3. Amateur
    Amateur 13 December 2019 09: 44
    +15
    They took a firm grip on "Kuzyu". First, the dock "by itself" drowned. Now the fire "by itself" has ignited. Go next time some kind of herring "by itself" at the side will explode.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 13 December 2019 10: 12
      +6
      Quote: Amateur
      They took a firm grip on "Kuzyu". First, the dock "by itself" drowned. Now the fire "by itself" has ignited. Go next time some kind of herring "by itself" at the side will explode.

      Prior to this, in Syria, aerofinisher suddenly began to tear, during combat sorties
    2. Sergey Smirnov_3
      Sergey Smirnov_3 13 December 2019 10: 20
      +2
      I agree with you. Some "accidents" around the only Soviet aircraft carrier ...
      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 13 December 2019 10: 42
        +14
        These incidents are not accidental. They are a consequence of the loss of skills and specialists of the right level of training for the operation and maintenance of such a ship. We are talking about the degradation of the authority of a sea power. It is a shame and a shame for how the remains of the ocean fleet are ruined.
        1. Alien From
          Alien From 13 December 2019 11: 26
          +3
          "" It's a shame and a shame for the way the remnants of the ocean fleet are being crushed. "" You know, such a feeling is not only crushed, but also robbed of our fleet! Starting with human losses, ending with the material component (((
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 13 December 2019 13: 45
          +1
          Quote: x.andvlad
          These incidents are not accidental. They are a consequence of the loss of skills and specialists of the right level of training for the operation and maintenance of such a ship.

          How quickly and imperceptibly 25 years of "impeccable service" flew by ... feel
    3. Eragon
      Eragon 13 December 2019 10: 37
      -2
      Quote: Amateur
      They took a firm grip on "Kuzyu". First, the dock "by itself" drowned. Now the fire "by itself" has ignited. Go next time some kind of herring "by itself" at the side will explode.

      I will express a seditious thought: maybe he was originally g? We made a project in opposition to the Americans on the principle of "a shob bulo". And now it has been running for six months - it has been under repair for 5 years.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 13 December 2019 12: 45
        +2
        No. It has its drawbacks, but it’s definitely not complete G. Look at least for example at 956 destroyers - they have practically died in Russia, in China all 4 Russian buildings are being built and modernized.
  4. rosomaha
    rosomaha 13 December 2019 09: 44
    +8
    you know ... even if it is not correct ... but it resembles the fate of the battleship "Tirpitz" ... there are only a few campaigns, but constantly something happens to it, even without going to sea. An evil fate hangs over the ship and is constantly pursued by failures.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 December 2019 09: 54
      0
      Alexey hi The cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" has long exceeded the standard terms of its service. So today's fire is far from a tragic accident. It is an accident that he was not on the ship for so long (at least on such a scale).
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 13 December 2019 10: 38
        +2
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        The cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" has long exceeded the standard terms of its service.
        And what are the "standard service times" assigned by the manufacturer?
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 December 2019 11: 12
          +3
          The service life of Soviet warships is 25 years. "Admiral Kuznetsov" for more than thirty. How long will its service life be extended after the overhaul that has just begun? For five years, for ten? Su-33 aircraft were made in the late 1980s - early 1990s, their resource is not unlimited. Not later than after 5-10 years, all these aircraft should be decommissioned.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 13 December 2019 11: 57
            +3
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            The service life of Soviet warships is 25 years.

            This figure wanders from one source to another. But there is no reliable information. If, for example, there are official bulletins on planes for the extension of assigned resources and terms, sometimes sometimes almost 2 times (Il-18, An-12 for example), then on ships ... More like a fantasy.
            The Americans are also clear about everything - there is a manufacturing company that guarantees the service life of its product, and no one will operate it longer. At the same time, the service life for aircraft carriers in the United States exceeds 50 years, and differs for ships of different classes (every little thing like frigates has a significantly shorter service life). Drawing an analogy, I suppose that in our fleet such a combat unit as "Kuznetsov" should have a life cycle of not 25 years, like a frigate, but 1,5 times more, at least. Although there is no exact data.
            And finally ... 25 years is probably a certain estimated period associated with the obsolescence of performance characteristics. And in practice, when there is nothing to serve, all "Sharp-witted" serve for 50 years and nothing. And there the metal will be thinner than that of Kuznetsov.
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 December 2019 12: 29
              +3
              An-12 and An-26, which are now in the Air Force - 50 and 35 years old! Flying on these machines is becoming increasingly frightening, despite major overhaul. An-148-100 was introduced to replace these aircraft, but it was a joint project with Ukraine. Accordingly, these aircraft, having flown a certain number of hours, will be joking due to a lack of spare parts. In the regiments of long-range aviation, which are equipped with Tu-160 and Tu-95, the situation is similar.
          2. Per se.
            Per se. 13 December 2019 13: 08
            +4
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            The service life of Soviet warships is 25 years. "Admiral Kuznetsov" for more than thirty.
            Aristarkh Ludwigovich, of course, Kuznetsov is already quite a few years old, nevertheless, the ship was commissioned in 1991. For example,
            Nimitz (CVN-68) - was introduced into the US Navy in 1975 year. This aircraft carrier was used during the war in Iraq. Dwight Eisenhower (CVN-69) - listed in the US Navy with 1977 years. The aircraft carrier took part in the well-known operation of the American troops "Desert Storm". "Carl Vinson" (CVN-70) - became part of the US Navy in 1982 year. During the time that the aircraft carrier was in combat formation, two American presidents, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, managed to visit his deck. Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) - put into operation in 1986 year. He played one of the key roles in Operation Desert Storm. Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) - was launched in 1989. This is the first aircraft carrier of the American Navy, which began to serve women. George Washington (CVN-73) - listed in the US Navy with 1992 years. The aircraft carrier serves mainly in the waters of the South China and East China Seas.

            Source: https://usamagazine.ru/skolko-avianoscev-u-ssha/
            Finally, did the fire happen because the ship was old, or did the PD-50 dock drown due to the aircraft carrier?
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 December 2019 13: 24
              +3
              The PD-50 drowned because it was all rotten, the dock could only maintain the desired position on the working main sump pumps, the level control system was faulty, and so on. It is not correct to compare our cruiser with the American aircraft carriers, the USA has good infrastructure, ships repair and service on time. The heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser of the project of project 1143.5 “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov” has neither a dry dock nor a berth with steam and electricity.
      2. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 13 December 2019 11: 09
        +6
        For any standards and service life during repair welding, there should not be uncleaned piles of garbage and oiled rags, not only in the area of ​​these works, but in general. This is an illustration of a low production culture, or even its absence. This is total gouging and incompetence.
        It is hard to imagine such a stupid incident somewhere in Germany or Japan.
      3. Fraracol_2
        Fraracol_2 13 December 2019 11: 15
        +5
        Yes, he really did not serve.
      4. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 13 December 2019 15: 52
        +1
        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Alexey hi The cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" has long exceeded the standard terms of its service. So today's fire is far from a tragic accident. It is an accident that he was not on the ship for so long (at least on such a scale).

        Always, with interest, I read your comments, because they are usually balanced, and the person owning the information .. But I do not agree with this! Here the reason is rather, not the age of the ship (a lot of examples are much older), but more deep (if you want). Like that: loss of competence, responsibility, lack of understanding of the need (if you want)!
        This is a kind of "Kursk" (God forgive me), revealing the REAL PROBLEMS of the state of the Fleet, in general, its repair, construction of the Concept of development, even! Hidden behind the bravura reports of irons and coffee machines
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 December 2019 22: 07
          0
          If you think that a fire on Kuznetsov is a rarity, let me remind you that the cruiser's crew included four emergency firefighting groups, who, sitting at different ends of the ship (on different decks), were constantly on duty dressed in appropriate equipment. Because fires on the cruiser happened weekly. And that was back in the days when the ship was still relatively fresh. And now they write in the media that "One of the sailors also explained that an automatic fire extinguishing system was present on the ship, but it did not work due to dismantling during repair work" https://tjournal.ru/news/130933-kommersant-avianosec -admiral-kuznecov-zagorelsya-iz-za-neubrannoy-kuchi-musora-v-kotoruyu-popala-svarochnaya-okalina
          Quote: Siberian barber
          Like that: loss of competence, responsibility, lack of understanding of the need (if you want)!

          Here I agree with you, we do not have ship repair, as there really is no fleet. Some show off and narcissism. The heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser of the project of project 1143.5 “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov” has neither a dry dock nor a berth with steam and electricity. Last year, at the airbase of the Moroman, in connection with the drowning of the PD-50, they indulged in the memories of the valiant traditions of the domestic Moreman infrastructure:
          "In the USSR, there was not a single naval base, where the ships in the parking lot would be supplied with everything required from the shore. The exception is Baltiysk-Pilau, well, the USSR did not build it that way."
          Basing 941 in Nerpichya: "The fact that the piers stood and the crane was built does not mean anything, the railway to the crane was never completed, the crane itself never worked, there was not enough electricity, and not all the required types of electricity were supplied, the air was beating with regular compressors , and there were still many other things. "
          (c) M. Drum.
          "Let us recall 1143.1 / 4, which of course was sold by the BLASTING YELTSIN, but by 1991 they were brought by the SACRED Navy of the USSR to a completely killed, incapacitated state due to the fact that not one of the ships did not even have a decent" wall "in the basing places and was constantly on the road, killing the motor resource. "
          (c) A. Ermakov.
    2. Cyrus
      Cyrus 13 December 2019 09: 56
      +17
      There is no rock; there is either negligence or sabotage.
    3. Galleon
      Galleon 13 December 2019 11: 54
      0
      Evil rock hangs over the ship and is constantly haunted by failure.

      Not everything that comes to mind is worth expressing. Well, why are you like this? The croak seems to her. It is not worthwhile to turn to superstitions from any incident (here only the pilots with astronauts will surpass sailors).
  5. tlauicol
    tlauicol 13 December 2019 09: 49
    +21
    Something I begin to suspect that these effective managers can burn Nakhimov as follows: it’s not forever to postpone the deadlines. This feeder so simply will not surrender and not leave.
    "Only fire can save us from revision" - paraphrasing a well-known phrase

    1. Naz
      Naz 13 December 2019 09: 56
      +2
      I totally agree.
  6. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 13 December 2019 09: 55
    +7
    That same thing, all something with Kuzya is not thank God ...
    For such negligence, Bosko must be torn off along with shoulder straps.
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 13 December 2019 10: 07
    +3
    This tragic news came yesterday ... ((, I’m so sorry! The management is simply obliged to draw the right conclusions from this tragedy !!! We are losing people out of the blue, at the pier ...... and there is no chance and evil rock can justify the responsible !!!!!!
  8. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 13 December 2019 10: 25
    +3
    Everlasting memory!
    As a sailor, I understand how important it is to start a struggle for vitality. in the burning compartment.
    How courageous this is!
    My condolences.
  9. Alex_59
    Alex_59 13 December 2019 10: 40
    +4
    I do not believe in superstition and signs, but by the combination of jambs, accidents and other things, it becomes obvious that the ship is unlucky. How much torment with him since the construction was ...
  10. Hakka
    Hakka 13 December 2019 10: 42
    -8
    Damned ship.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 13 December 2019 10: 47
      +6
      Quote: Hakka
      Damned ship.

      RAVE. They sucked into business, got accustomed to the body of the state, not even damned, just greedy goons!
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 13 December 2019 12: 01
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        RAVE. They sucked into business, got accustomed to the body of the state, not even damned, just greedy goons!

        Yes, he still had problems at the completion wall (roughly speaking), when there were still no sucking. Problems with boilers and burning pipes were originally on it. And this would be solved if it weren’t for the 90s, where everyone finally couldn’t care for some pipes with boilers.
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 13 December 2019 10: 45
    +2
    ??? something to say?
    And if you can’t?
  12. exo
    exo 13 December 2019 10: 50
    +2
    In combat conditions, with such a struggle for survivability, the ship would be lost. And a complete loss of production culture at the shipbuilding industry. But, in truth, because of the oiled rags in the Soviet years, fires on ships did happen. On the Premier League, for sure.
  13. 4ekist
    4ekist 13 December 2019 11: 05
    +2
    ".... The preliminary cause of the fire is a violation of safety precautions during repair work. A criminal case has been initiated on this fact." - Lack of control, lack of control, culture in repair, production that costs life. I have no words.
  14. Dmitry Medvedev_2
    Dmitry Medvedev_2 13 December 2019 11: 10
    -3
    Come on . For a long time it is necessary to write off it already. Well, as much as you can! why repair it. I already wrote earlier! RUSSIA NEEDS NEW CARRIERS!
  15. Fraracol_2
    Fraracol_2 13 December 2019 11: 13
    0
    This is a spark from welding, and if at least one shell hit, the poorest? !!
  16. primers
    primers 13 December 2019 11: 39
    0
    Eh, Kuznetsov .... So many losses, both people and equipment ... Condolences to the officer’s family. And the cruiser turned into a big toy.
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  18. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 13 December 2019 11: 47
    0
    Quote: Sergey Smirnov_3
    I agree with you. Some "accidents" around the only Soviet aircraft carrier ...

    I do not agree with the "only Soviet". There is also "Vikramaditya" (formerly "Baku") and "Liaoning" (formerly "Varyag").
  19. Dmitry Zverev
    Dmitry Zverev 13 December 2019 11: 49
    +2
    Land in peace for the dead ... Fire area 500 sq. M. m. - this is approximately a 22 by 22 meter area, it burned for a long time. The height of how the fire spread did not report. So the amount of damage can be significant.
  20. iouris
    iouris 13 December 2019 11: 52
    0
    Unlucky ship. Quantity already turns into quality: "everything is very bad" or "treason all around"?
  21. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 13 December 2019 12: 08
    -1
    Do not worry, our media will not lie, the incident will even lead to faster repairs, it’s clear.
  22. Galleon
    Galleon 13 December 2019 12: 09
    +5
    I will express the version that the crew was just tired. I am sure that if the mechanics (officers of the BS-5) weren’t so jerked, they would screw up the sailors who provided welding as it should, and would be checked more than once. Some competence was not enough. Or elemental forces. (I can remember my condition when I didn’t see the family for a year) A terrible grief with the death of an officer, but honestly, I don’t understand. Maybe the event is distorted in the news. I don’t understand how a survivability professional could climb one (!) into a smoky compartment without an insulating gas mask (!) and insurance outside (!). It’s not even that you will inevitably die, but that you will not fulfill your combat mission of survivability of the ship! Here they call this ship unlucky. His main misfortune is that he can never get up to the pier; boilers work continuously for his heat and energy. And you need a lot of energy to heat such a machine on a polar night - this is not California or Pearl Harbor. Well, the descent of the officers ashore or barrels is very limited. A prison is not a prison, but it is harder to serve there than on other ships.
  23. bogart047
    bogart047 13 December 2019 12: 17
    -1
    shoot the guilty
  24. Dmitry Zverev
    Dmitry Zverev 13 December 2019 12: 26
    0
    I wanted to see the drawings of the ship, I found this on the forum of ship modelers. Photos posted in 2009. The person who posted this suggests that this is from "Admiral Kuznetsov"



    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 13 December 2019 12: 36
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Zverev
      The person who posted this suggests that it is from "Admiral Kuznetsov"

      Conveniently. And the sketch is done, and you seem to have nothing to do with it yes
      1. Dmitry Zverev
        Dmitry Zverev 13 December 2019 12: 52
        +1
        I have nothing against the ship and our Russian fleet. The cruiser needs to make major repairs, and not at some time as usual, but well and of high quality, so that the crew proudly aboard each time. If some contractors work left there, drive out a filthy broom. If this requires a two or three times longer period than someone thought there, then there is nothing to worry about.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 13 December 2019 12: 55
          0
          Quote: Dmitry Zverev
          I have nothing against the ship and our Russian fleet

          I want to believe.

          Photo why, it is not clear why?
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 December 2019 13: 41
            +2
            Engine room of TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov".

            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 13 December 2019 13: 54
              0
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              Engine room TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov"

              Thanks, informative.

              The sailor’s face is nice, lovely, and simple laughing
      2. ℳy ℒiƒℯ
        ℳy ℒiƒℯ 13 December 2019 13: 28
        -1
        And the sketch is done, and you seem to have nothing to do with it

        Yes Yes. I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU !!! YOU ALL LIE !! 1!

        On the ladder we run into the "checkpoint". There is no such kind of watch on any other ship. "Checkpoint" is a conscript sailor who acts as a watchman for a certain area (deck, ladder, etc.). He guards not secret objects at all, but electric bulbs, fire hoses, fire extinguishers, stands, loud battle bells, etc. And since a sailor can fall asleep, finally, this wealth can be taken away from him at night, and a safety net is also made. So, fire extinguishers and fire hoses do not need to be displayed at all - and indeed, you will not find them anywhere on the ship. The only exception is the time of the "highest" shows. Then everything that is is exposed, and "checkpoints" are necessarily doubled. An inquisitive reader may ask: "But what about the light bulbs? You can't take them off, otherwise how can you walk in complete darkness?" I hasten to reassure you: this problem has long been solved at a high ideological and technical level. Bulbs: a) glued with epoxy resin; b) tied with wire - preferably barbed; c) supply current to the wire or ceiling. All of this is usually used in combination. And still, those damn bulbs are stealing.

        Here we will witness another aircraft carrier miracle that makes this ship unlike any other. You can walk along the clean 3rd deck flooded with light, but as soon as you go down, you find yourself in the "catacombs" - with torn up posts, abandoned cabins, all this is without light and very often flooded (sometimes with sewage, so the smell "high quality"). Below is the same. Of course, this is not everywhere (no more than 60% of descents below the 3rd deck).


        We get down even lower in the hold. Everything is in fuel oil and water, here and there are heaps of garbage (carry it far to the berth, and they only let it go at a certain time, and tidying the ship is always done, so they throw garbage into the hold).

        The first thing to note is the lack of heating on the ship, which, you see, is important for the North. The crew, even in the hangar, is built in greatcoats. If in the cockpit or cabin + 5 ° C, then this is already good, but if + 12-15 ° - this is, forgive me, lordship! In such an environment, only heating pads can save you. Since it is expensive to buy them, and it is difficult to get a shipbuilding one, they are "molded" in whatever way. The bosses, however, confiscate "non-standard electrical equipment", while its owners receive "awards."

        It’s hard on a ship and with latches. There are more than fifty of them, but a good half do not work.



        https://igor113.livejournal.com/27473.html
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 13 December 2019 15: 04
          +1
          Quote: ℳy ℒiƒℯ
          Yes Yes.It’s hard on a ship and with latches. There are more than fifty of them, but a good half do not work.

          Oh, they even planted it ... This topic walks on the network from zero, so it’s worthless to push the delay. The trouble is, the kindergarten ...
    2. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 13 December 2019 16: 01
      +1
      ... I wanted to see the drawings of the ship, I found this on the forum of ship modelers. Photos posted in 2009. The person who posted this suggests that this is from "Admiral Kuznetsov"
      If you are a serious person, and not a small child, then turn on your brain!
  25. Dmitry Zverev
    Dmitry Zverev 13 December 2019 13: 59
    +1

    This is exactly it (old photos, up to 2009) "Admiral Kuznetsov" underwent repairs in 1996-1998, 2001-2004 and 2008.
    Personally, my opinion is that such mastodons of the fleet should serve for 60 years at least.
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  27. Herrmakedon
    Herrmakedon 13 December 2019 17: 35
    0
    Some welder almost killed AVK Kuznetsov :(
    ova torpedo, logically, based on the consequences of the welder, would Kuznetsov be smashed into atoms?!?
    If Kuzya was insured, he would have believed in deliberate arson!