How to spit in memory of the Great Patriotic War

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How to spit in memory of the Great Patriotic War

Yes, we continue the Rossoshansky theme again. Someone may already be tired, but what if there are such gentlemen, lovers of the Bavarian, or rather, Turin, dug in there?

So, the city of Rossosh, Voronezh region, Russia.



The same city where they adore gifts from the descendants of Italian fascists and hold on tightly to the defense around the monument with fascist Italian symbols. And they don’t give a monument to offense, even though you say something.

Patriots ...

But for a change, as we were informed, the administration of the Rossoshansky district and the city of Rossosh decided to throw a bone at this unhappy, so that they would be silent for a while and stop rocking the boat. Until the next anniversary, which the descendants of the Nazis will celebrate in Rossosh.

So, you need to do something, right?

And not just do it, but with a TV show, articles in the press, and so on. Well, you already know, the picture should be.

At one time, we poked the Russian authorities in the face with the fact that they had stolen a monument to the fascists (and not one). But there is no monument to the victims of their beloved Italians.

More precisely, it seems to be there, at the place of mass burial of the inhabitants of Rossosh who were shot by Italians and captured Red Army soldiers, but in order to understand that this is a monument, one had to be aware of what this slurred structure means.

Well, yes, how can you, cherishing and cherishing the Italians, take and say that this is the place where those whom these good and sweet (according to the same Morozov-accomplice) Italians are resting.

Incidentally, we are not talking about a couple of dozen, but about thousands.

But the Rossoshansky authorities decided to nevertheless curtse and do something like that.

Are you looking? Analyzing?


The first shot. There is a certain claim. These people did not die. They perish from hunger, cold, disease. Specifically, in this concentration camp, not virtual fascists, but specifically the Italian FIRED people.

So these people were KILLED by the Italian fascists, who are now so dearly adored in the administrations and for whose memory they are ready to fight to the end.

As for me - there is a difference.

But this is not the main thing. And HOW a memorial sign is installed.

And it is installed simply luxuriously. Back to slurred buildings. That on 146% it was not clear what it is.

It's so easy, right? Take, go beyond the designated area and look behind the granite slab to find out what is written there.


If it's summer, something can be done. But in the spring, autumn or winter, when nothing is cleaned or cleaned (as we wrote this year with the cleaning of monuments in Rossosh), there will still be pleasure.

In general, I want to congratulate the head of the Mishankov region, the head of the urban settlement of Kobylkin, all involved in this great event: to perpetuate the memory of the victims of Italian fascists.

Yes, probably, it would be possible to make everything even more indifferent and obscene. Maybe. But it just doesn’t come to mind how to do this. Gentlemen, the Rossoshan town governors in this regard can teach anyone a kind of master class on the topic "How to successfully spit in the memory of ancestors."

The Goebbels and Kolya Urengoy Prize is guaranteed.



It’s just amazing how much everyone in this city doesn’t give a damn about everything. Monuments in the snow and mud are normal. Kindle the eternal flame twice a year for a couple of hours - everything suits everyone. It’s easy to erect a monument to those killed by fellow countrymen and simply Soviet citizens somehow and through that very place!

Indeed, like a handout flung.

In general, such a disregard for the country is no longer surprising. Frankly vile films, the heroization of traitors, the rehabilitation of executioners - all these are links of the same chain. The essence of which is, under the guise of veneration of the memory of ancestors, create meannesses in assortment.

Well, you are going the right way, gentlemen. Unfortunately.
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  1. +20
    13 December 2019 05: 44
    The same city where they adore gifts from the descendants of Italian fascists and hold on tightly to the defense around the monument with fascist Italian symbols. And they don’t give a monument to offense, even though you say something. Patriots

    Critters!
    There is no Stalin on them.
    Along the way, with this "monument" it is necessary to act in the same way as they do with the monuments to the fallen Soviet soldiers in Europe - from Estonia to Bulgaria and from the Czech Republic to Poland.
    The principle of reciprocity has not been canceled.
    1. +9
      13 December 2019 06: 25
      What kind of reciprocity is there? "Our" authorities erected a monument to the enemy, licked it. And there no one was puzzled by the reciprocal monument.
      1. +34
        13 December 2019 06: 39
        It’s easy to erect a monument to those killed by fellow countrymen and simply Soviet citizens somehow and through that very place!
        Indeed, like a handout flung.
        I absolutely agree with the author!

        First of all. The text on the monument bears an ambiguous "conspiracy" character.
        Secondly. Monument, standing booty to the memorial, even do not read for visitors, who do not walk on the lawns.

        All this reflects, as it were, the apology of the local authorities for the forced installation of this monument to their Italian "sponsors" - to the descendants of the Italian fascist, whose ancestors were the invaders of Russian lands and the executioners of the Soviet people.
        At the same time, the local authorities, as it were, tearfully say to their Italian "sponsors": "Like, we didn’t want to, but we were just forced to erect this monument! However, for our part, we tried to do everything to change the interpretation of its historical semantic content, and indeed to do so that no one will see this text either! "
        1. +15
          13 December 2019 08: 12
          Good explanations, Tatiana! This is how the ideological struggle takes place. .... Similar "PR actions" occur in different places and for different reasons.
          1. +27
            13 December 2019 08: 19
            Roman, it’s not the Rassoshansky authorities who need to poke that monument in the face, but the administrative-bureaucratic authorities as a whole. After all, if this is happening, it is only with the tacit consent of its elite. Recently, its foreign policy is increasingly at odds with the people's perceptions of good and evil.
            1. +15
              13 December 2019 08: 48
              Our president does not want to like in Paris. But in Rossosh they want as in Italy. The Rossoshansky authorities have such a limitless reverence for everything Italian, which extends even to the memory of the Italian fascists.

              One can only guess what happened the reason for such an amazing transformation, true love for Italy or a banal bribe.
            2. +11
              13 December 2019 20: 24
              After all, the novel had previously written about going to court about all this and presented photos to everyone. Judicial red tape requires time and material costs. And ---- most importantly ---- special knowledge. Fighting against this collaboration is a difficult task and organizing it is more convenient than one person, more opportunities. Is any of the parties doing this.? I do not know.
              Roman is greatly respected, which draws attention to this topic, which appeals to the court.
              1. +2
                14 December 2019 11: 30
                No, local party members look at one place in the administration and diligently lick this place. The entire so-called "public" is pocket-size and is ready to sell its conscience for a penny, or rather its remnants.
        2. +11
          13 December 2019 08: 28
          It’s just amazing how much everyone in this city doesn’t give a damn about everything.
          Roman, as I understand it, have you been to Rossosh? If there were, then they should have noticed that the majority in Rossosh speaks surzhik, and that should already be talking about something. I do not want to say that all the inhabitants of Rossosh are hidden Bandera, but most likely there are such. If Koli is in Urengoy, then why in Rossosh (just a stone's throw away) not to be hidden to Bandera.
          However, I already wrote to you that the monument to Krasnov in Veshenskaya is no better than the monument to Italian fascists in Rossosh. And we can beat our head against the wall as much as we like and tear shirts on our chest in righteous anger, but things will still be there because the authorities are in the first place legislative we are corrupt in their essence. Therefore, such monuments will continue to appear and no (even a very honest) prosecutor will be able to do anything with them, due to his lack of legal instruments. And our shitty cinematography will continue to churn out anti-Soviet vyser like "Rzhev", "Indestructible", "Bastards", "Shtafbatov" and other cinematographers. Forgive me for the harshness, but you can't throw out words from a song and call the production of cinema, otherwise you can only use foul language, and this is punishable.
          1. +14
            13 December 2019 09: 26
            If there were, then they should have noticed that the majority in Rossosh speaks surzhik, and that should already be talking about something. I do not want to say that all the inhabitants of Rossosh are hidden Bandera, but most likely there are such.
            This only says, dear Alexander, that you are inciting ethnic hatred. And for your general development, I will say that people who speak as you put it in "surzhik" (and this is at least a third of the population of the Voronezh and Belgorod regions), neither to Ukraine, nor to the Ukrainians, nor to the Bandera people had and have nothing to do with it.
            1. 0
              13 December 2019 09: 58
              72jora72 (Sergey)
              This only says that dear Alexander, that you are inciting ethnic hatred.

              I was not going to do this in any way and I apologize if I hooked anyone with this. In addition, I pointed out that in both Urengoy and other cities, there are enough Russian-speaking adherents of Nazism.
              1. +5
                13 December 2019 23: 56
                72jora72 (Sergey):people who speak as you put it in "surzhik" (and this is at least a third of the population of the Voronezh and Belgorod regions), neither to Ukraine, nor to the Ukrainians, nor to the Bandera people had and have nothing to do with them.

                My father was a military man. He served in the BTA in Ivanovo. There were two huge airfields North and South. I lived with my grandmother in Art. Lysogorskoy (North Caucasus). When I was 7 years old, my parents took me from the village and brought me to Ivanovo. So in the first grade, I couldn’t read a simple poem by A. Fet:
                "The sky is drawn with swift wings
                By the pond, a willow tree is looking down at the water "
                As a teacher, she didn’t fight with me; instead of Verba, willow stubbornly spoke. Well, of course - the church, carrots, harbuz smile Moreover, Ukrainians in the village were not in sight. There were Horuzhenki, Looney. But these are purely Russian Cossack family names
                So that with surzhik is not so simple, Alexander Suvorov, as you write
          2. +15
            13 December 2019 09: 38
            Google, for starters, how many Ukrainians became Heroes of the Soviet Union and how many were assigned this title posthumously. They also spoke Surzhik, and literary Ukrainian. At the same time take an interest: what ideology divides people according to the national principle.
            1. +5
              13 December 2019 10: 02
              Heroes of the Soviet Union were among Russians, and among Ukrainians, and among Tatars, including Crimean, and among Chechens, and among other nationalities of the USSR. Exactly in the same measure this applies to the traitors who were in all nationalities affected by this war. And what of that?
              1. +3
                13 December 2019 10: 12
                Then where does your lunge towards our fellow countrymen who speak one of the dialects of the Russian language?
                1. -8
                  13 December 2019 10: 14
                  AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
                  Then where does your lunge towards our fellow countrymen who speak one of the dialects of the Russian language?
                  And you go there to talk, learn a lot.
                  1. +6
                    13 December 2019 10: 18
                    I repent, I was not at Rossosh. He was a bit far away - in Chertkov, Rostov Region. On the border with Ukraine. I saw nothing new there, the same Russian people.
                    1. +7
                      13 December 2019 10: 27
                      So you're in luck that you didn't meet any of the skakuas. But I live in the Rostov region and I have less than 100 km to the border with Ukraine, so I can safely say that we have enough sympathizers for the jumping. Literally about a month ago, one drunk individual suggested to me how bad we are, what we took away from the "brotherly" people of Crimea. And there are no Natsiks in Ukraine and everything is like that.
                      I could tell a lot about how the so-called "refugees" from Donbass behaved here with us, but I'm afraid they will definitely sew fire. I don’t want to say that all of them are like that, not very good, but a lot. And the stories associated with them, one is not more pleasant than the other.
                      1. +2
                        13 December 2019 10: 29
                        There are enough Liberasts anywhere in our country, but this is not a reason to divide the people by nationality. Our grandfathers fought so that there were no dividers.
                      2. -5
                        13 December 2019 10: 36
                        AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
                        There are enough Liberasts anywhere in our country
                        I agree, and I wrote about it more than once!
                        but this is not a reason to divide people by nationality
                        But don’t tell me, I talked a lot and continue to communicate with residents of Ukraine or those who consider themselves to be native Ukrainians. I can tell you that some of their views are far from ours and, to put it mildly, do not cause enthusiasm.
                        And the proverbs, "when the skokol was born, the Jew began to cry," "where the skakol passed, the Jew has nothing to do," believe me, were not born out of nowhere.
                        But then again, among the Russians, as among any other nationalities, there is enough manure!
                      3. +6
                        13 December 2019 10: 38
                        In my veins, in addition to Russian, Tatar and German blood flows. Where shall I write: to the Nazis or to ISIS?
                      4. +8
                        13 December 2019 10: 47
                        And in what kind of blood I just do not have, and Turkish, and Greek and Tatar-Mongolian, Cossacks they did not bring their wives from. BUT, at the same time, I’m 200% Russian, because I am so ugly, I will die as such! Russian, it's still not a nationality, but a state of mind.
                        And in the Nazis and in ISIS, there are also enough "Russians", but I can't call them RUSSIAN.
                        "Whoever is Russian by heart loves the Motherland
                        and his heart will not ruin his betrayal "(These are poems from childhood, the collection of emnip was called" Our ancient capital ")
                      5. +6
                        13 December 2019 11: 00
                        So we will not divide people on a national basis. For it is a war. According to the state of mind, you can share. My grandmother, Anna Rudolfovna, a St. Petersburg German, the entire blockade by the surgeon in the hospital. As a state of mind, it could have been evacuated. And there is a gene. Vlasov, also by state of mind.
                      6. 0
                        16 December 2019 19: 41
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        So you're lucky that you did not meet any of the skakuas. And here I live in the Rostov region and to the border with Ukraine I have less than 100 km., So I can safely say we have enough sympathies for skaklam

                        soooo stop! I myself and Rostov. Our people here are hot south, BUT something I have not seen here sympathizing with Bandera! I don’t argue you could have been caught by such an individual, but with the same success he could have come from Moscow or St. Petersburg. as for our southern dialect, this is mainly a Cossack dialect. Anyway, how do you distinguish Russian from Ukrainian? it’s honest to tell that if we are on the border and we have many ancestors from there, and therefore we are somehow not trustworthy this honestly smacks of Adik! stop
          3. +16
            13 December 2019 09: 57
            You have a strange criterion for referring to Bandera - language. Walk along the Stavropol Territory, meet a huge number of villages where they speak "hohlyatsky". For example, the village of Sotnikovskoe, between Blagodarny and Budennovsk: "bdzhely, vivtsi, bachit, Metekhve (MTF), havat". Are they also hidden Bandera? Think at the beginning what you write.
            1. -2
              13 December 2019 10: 12
              dmmyak40 (Dmitry)
              You have a strange criterion for referring to Bandera - language. Walk along the Stavropol Territory, meet a huge number of villages where they speak "hohlyatsky".
              I already apologized.
              But I want to draw attention to the fact that the carriers of the Ukrainian consciousness are often at least sympathetic.
              My classmate comes from Ukraine, but since the third grade he lived and studied in Russia, graduated from the university here, and got married here. So, when the events of 2014 began, for him, who was brought up HERE in Russia, it was also "not so simple", although what could be MIXED in the fascist coup? And there are a lot of people like him among people who consider themselves Ukrainians, if not the majority.
              1. +4
                13 December 2019 11: 30
                Plusanul. Admitting your own mistake is very difficult.
                As for your classmate: maybe it’s good that a person is not 100% ready to believe what they say on each side. Maybe he wants to see for himself and figure out what's what.
                1. -1
                  13 December 2019 11: 40
                  dmmyak40 (Dmitry)
                  Plusanul. Admitting your own mistake is very difficult.
                  I try to be objective, including to myself, though the truth does not always work.
                  As for your classmate: maybe it’s good that a person is not 100% ready to believe what they say on each side. Maybe he wants to see for himself and figure out what's what.
                  His own younger brother lived at that time in Kiev, and while the Maidan was raging, people were burned in Odessa, for them everything remained "not unambiguous", although it was too much.
                  But when the smell smelled fried for them personally (the younger authorities wanted to send the ATO to the ATO), then everything became immediately clear to them and the younger one broke with his family to Russia, under the wing of the aggressor. That's their whole nature.
            2. +2
              13 December 2019 11: 36
              Quote: dmmyak40
              You have a strange criterion for referring to Bandera - language. Walk along the Stavropol Territory, meet a huge number of villages where they speak "hohlyatsky". For example, the village of Sotnikovskoe, between Blagodarny and Budennovsk: "bdzhely, vivtsi, bachit, Metekhve (MTF), havat"

              It is unlikely that "balachka", "surzhik" can be attributed to the modern Ukrainian language. recourse

              And in the regions bordering on Ukraine, surzhik is often used, some words [/ b] are too "juicy": "to whisper, persh, sho, etc.
              1. +5
                13 December 2019 12: 27
                Plus, Andrew. In the south-west of the Bryansk region, where the borders of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus converge, there are villages where people speak such a dialect that one cannot even call surzhik. A mixture of three languages ​​with the addition of purely local words and expressions that are not available in these languages. They are hardly understood by Russians who speak the correct Russian, Belarusians and Ukrainians, but this is not a reason to classify them as latent Bandera.
            3. 0
              13 December 2019 17: 45
              Matehwe - five points smile good
            4. +6
              13 December 2019 19: 11
              I read a series of interviews by A. Drabkin "I fought in a fighter". Memories of the mechanic Sinaisky about his commander Tokarev (alas, I don’t remember the name, patronymic, but by nationality, both are Jews). Tokarev's words - "For me there is no nationality of people, there are only two categories - decent people and dishonest people ..." I agree 200 percent with this statement
          4. 0
            13 December 2019 10: 26
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Roman, as I understand it, have you been to Rossosh? If there were, then they should have noticed that the majority in Rossosh speaks surzhik, and that should already be talking about something.

            What do you call surzhik? Surzhik-an invention of Svidomo Ukrainians, whose task is to replace the living spoken language of eastern Ukraine with the so-called literary.
            "Surzhik" is a scornful word. In fact, this language contains a huge number of Old Russian words.
            1. +3
              13 December 2019 10: 31
              Surzhik is one of the dialects of the Russian language.
          5. +7
            13 December 2019 11: 10
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            It’s just amazing how much everyone in this city doesn’t give a damn about everything.
            Roman, as I understand it, have you been to Rossosh? If there were, then they should have noticed that the majority in Rossosh speaks surzhik, and that should already be talking about something. I do not want to say that all the inhabitants of Rossosh are hidden Bandera, but most likely there are such. If Koli is in Urengoy, then why in Rossosh (just a stone's throw away) not to be hidden to Bandera.
            However, I already wrote to you that the monument to Krasnov in Veshenskaya is no better than the monument to Italian fascists in Rossosh. And we can beat our head against the wall as much as we like and tear shirts on our chest in righteous anger, but things will still be there because the authorities are in the first place legislative we are corrupt in their essence. Therefore, such monuments will continue to appear and no (even a very honest) prosecutor will be able to do anything with them, due to his lack of legal instruments. And our shitty cinematography will continue to churn out anti-Soviet vyser like "Rzhev", "Indestructible", "Bastards", "Shtafbatov" and other cinematographers. Forgive me for the harshness, but you can't throw out words from a song and call the production of cinema, otherwise you can only use foul language, and this is punishable.

            Well, I come from Pid Rossosh. From neighboring paradise. center. I went to school at Rossosh. And surzhik is the language of my childhood, my friends, my father and my grandfather (veteran, with orders and injuries) and my grandmothers who survived the occupation of Germans and Italians. And I don’t know anyone personally whom you recorded in
            hidden Bandera
            . Think carefully before presenting such conclusions to the public.

            PS And because my mother’s relatives are in Belarus, then I personally don’t even breathe evenly in relation to Bandera, and such an assumption, in particular, also applies to me and my relatives, friends and acquaintances, but I know who I am talking about and what I perceive as an insult, albeit not intentional. Please be careful in the future with such conclusions.
            1. +3
              13 December 2019 17: 47
              I agree, I’m from Eletsk zucones, we have rather a lot of relatives from my relatives in the Voronezh province, from local Ukrainians. that’s how I’ve never heard that the local Voronezh Ukrainians themselves and the suburbs would identify themselves ... in vain are they pointing at our Voronezh Little Russians ...
          6. +1
            14 December 2019 11: 34
            Surzhik has nothing to do with it. I myself spoke in childhood or, as we say, a balak in a hahlyachy language. The point is the corruption and the mutual responsibility of officials and a sworn friend of the revanchists, the former museum director Alim Morozov, who did business in the blood.
        3. +1
          13 December 2019 10: 30
          Quote: Tatiana
          All this reflects, as it were, the apology of the local authorities for the forced installation of this monument to their Italian "sponsors" - to the descendants of the Italian fascist, whose ancestors were the invaders of Russian lands and the executioners of the Soviet people.

          I understand the "non-brothers", where Nazism is not condemned by the government, but is welcomed, but when this happens in the heart of Russia, then my question is, "Why are our authorities silent?"
          1. +5
            13 December 2019 12: 32
            And our authorities are deciding on the economic feasibility of the Eternal Flame. And whether it is necessary to light it only on holidays. Not there we are looking for Bandera.
            1. +3
              13 December 2019 13: 19
              Quote: 210ox
              Not there we are looking for Bandera.

              More likely - YES.
        4. +1
          13 December 2019 11: 27
          Quote: Tatiana
          The monument, standing booty to the memorial, is not even readable for visitors who do not walk on the lawns.

          It turned out, while, ugly, yes ....

          But if you look at photo No. 3, you will see that he is looking in the same directionas the main monument of the memorial (there the Star is leaning against).

          Those. when the sidewalk is laid from the road (photo 4) to the aforementioned Obelisk, the visitor will first read the inscription on it, then, moving straight ahead, will approach the main monument.
          The work is just not over request

          But the monument to the Italofascists is Crying shame!! angry
          1. +2
            13 December 2019 13: 23
            Quote: Olgovich
            But the monument to the Italo-Fascists is a LARGE outrage !!

            Fascists or not fascists, for us all who came with a sword to our land are enemies. And the enemies are not only monuments, but also do not put an aspen stake. The second is not given, and there is no justification for the traitors who erected such monuments.
          2. +1
            14 December 2019 11: 45
            The cemetery monument on the mass grave, where more than one and a half thousand civilians are buried, is already a disgrace in itself. Here, officials for 75 years did not bother to build a worthy memorial of granite or marble. A sarcophagus made of cheap tiles, and a wall of falling apart bricks so that you could lean against the wreaths, plus this flip-flop monument is not a memory, it is another spit in the soul of all caring people and an example of humiliating the memory of the victims of fascism. Moreover, this is against the background of a marble monument to the Nazis in one place and a monument with stainless steel bones (for centuries) in the heart of the city. In my opinion, this is pure betrayal.
      2. 0
        16 December 2019 12: 17
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        What kind of reciprocity is there? "Our" authorities erected a monument to the enemy, licked it. And there no one was puzzled by the reciprocal monument.

        ===
        the monument was erected by the foreman and workers, someone accepted the monument, paid for the work, someone else participated in the opening event, and someone just walked by. and to all of the above big questions ?! power is to blame, so it is from the same people as the above?
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    3. +3
      13 December 2019 06: 53
      Lived, they are already at war with monuments ... leave the dead alone. Especially the soldiers of the Red Army, their eternal Memory, but all those ideals and the country for which they fought were defiled by those who are now "fighting with monuments."
      1. +4
        13 December 2019 08: 17
        One of the Catholic popes of all Italian fascists recognized either * as martyrs *, or * as bearers of the light of Christianity *. Since then it has been supposed to pray for them to all Catholics in all Catholic churches.
        Apparently the city administration also wants to lean against the holiness of those same fascists? AND?
        No other sensible explanation for such a reverent love for the Nazis is somehow visible. Not to believe in the frank venality of the mayor and his administration?
        1. +1
          13 December 2019 08: 23
          Quote: Vasily50
          One of the Catholic popes of all Italian fascists recognized either * as martyrs *, or * as bearers of the light of Christianity *.

          Do not share the link to the source?
      2. +2
        13 December 2019 08: 35
        Civil (Vadim)
        We survived, already fighting with monuments ...
        Didn’t it reach you that they were at war with the Nazis? Or are you for letting them stand, and even better, let them continue to breed? So maybe the Germans will be allowed a monument in Khatyn, to establish? Well, Khatyn is in Belarus, but it can be offered in Rostov, in the Zmievsky beam, right at the place of execution of the Rostovites let a monument to the executioners be erected. And what, peace, friendship, chewing gum, do you think?
        1. 0
          13 December 2019 12: 15
          Didn’t it reach you that they were at war with the Nazis?

          They fight against monuments to the Nazis not by the installation opposite the monument to Soviet soldiers, but by the demolition of the monument to the Nazis or the failure of the installation. That is what it is about. And it turns out that already dead Soviet soldiers with their obelisk confront the fascist monument. The living must decide, and not again throw in the battle those who have already given their lives for their homeland. That’s the shame.
      3. 0
        14 December 2019 11: 47
        This is not a war with monuments, but a war with the creeping moral occupation of our city by the descendants of the Nazis. This is a war with those who allow us to humiliate our national dignity.
    4. +5
      13 December 2019 09: 48
      Ideally, all these burial places of the occupiers should be closed. And the ashes should be sent home, to their homeland - some to Germany, some to Italy. And in conscience it will be purely human. And then in the long-suffering Rzhev next to the burial place of our fighters there is a German cemetery, only a fence shares it. Separates, as the front line used to divide. Our guys did not deserve such a neighborhood.
      1. +3
        13 December 2019 13: 41
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        And then in the long-suffering Rzhev near the burial place of our fighters - a German cemetery, only the fence shares. Separates, as the front line used to divide. Nour guys deserve such a neighborhood.
        no words of indignation ..... negative
    5. +3
      13 December 2019 10: 53
      Quote: Comrade
      Along the way, with this "monument" it is necessary to act in the same way as they do with the monuments to the fallen Soviet soldiers in Europe - from Estonia to Bulgaria and from the Czech Republic to Poland.
      The principle of reciprocity has not been canceled.

      That did not understand your thought. That is, we must now demolish the monument to our people who died in this concentration camp? What kind of reciprocity are you talking about? This is a monument to our ancestors forever lying in our land.
      Or maybe it’s easier to achieve its normal installation? As it should be. Is there a military commissariat in that area? After all, the military commissar is responsible for this ...
      What is the role of the "Russian Historical Society"? How does it control the installation of such monuments? A lot of people can be involved in order to start "setting the brains" of the municipal authorities
      1. 0
        14 December 2019 11: 49
        The mass grave should have a worthy memorial, and not a graveyard monument.
    6. +2
      13 December 2019 12: 29
      And why, in fact, "Stalin is not on them"? Here is the conclusion that political repressions do not lead to anything good, moreover, their consequences give rise to such kind of people, whose ancestors or they themselves survived after all the repressions.
      Italians are now among our "friends" and, naturally, the descendants of the executioners did not kill anyone on Russian soil. But why curry favor with them? This is completely incomprehensible. The friendship was paid for in hard currency. Therefore, the best monument to the lost Italian military, if their descendants really wanted to perpetuate this very memory, would be the opening, for example, of a pasta factory in this very Russian town. If only they ate pasta from the belly and organized jobs. But, apparently, there is simply no one to think a little more broadly and use the current political situation to their advantage?
      1. Cop
        +1
        13 December 2019 15: 48
        Quote: 1536
        ........ if their descendants so wanted to perpetuate this very memory, there would be the opening, for example, of a pasta factory in this very Russian town. If only pasta from the belly had eaten and organized jobs.
        However, what an idea ..... Why are you better than Mr. Mishankov and Kobylkin? I see it .... the factory building on the facade of which there is a memorial plaque that says something like the following: “... This factory was built in memory of those Italians who fought in these places during the Second World War and so forever stayed here. We, their descendants, having built this factory, want you to at least eat pasta from your belly, but remember who gave you this opportunity ... ” laughing
    7. 0
      16 December 2019 04: 58
      Quote: Comrade
      Along the way, with this "monument" it is necessary to act in the same way as they do with the monuments to the fallen Soviet soldiers in Europe - from Estonia to Bulgaria and from the Czech Republic to Poland.
      The principle of reciprocity has not been canceled.

      And where are citizens looking vandals ? Do they like to be cursed? Would the Italians be engaged in a monument, maybe someone would say a word of praise at least once ... Or can they legally be included in the lists of opponents of Russia, since they calmly go past this and disfigure legitimate monuments?
  2. +7
    13 December 2019 06: 08
    In general, such a disregard for the country is no longer surprising Authorities, you forgot to add. Party affiliation may not even be mentioned. But, fortunately, not all. And here the partisanship has nothing to do with it.
  3. +6
    13 December 2019 06: 10
    In general, such a disregard for the country is no longer surprising. Frankly vile films, the heroization of traitors, the rehabilitation of executioners - all these are links of the same chain. The essence of which is, under the guise of veneration of the memory of ancestors, create meannesses in assortment.
    .... Slander, Roman ... Sin is laughing What you wrote about is patriotism ... laughing And such patriotism, apparently, is our ideology ...
    1. +6
      13 December 2019 08: 05
      Good morning, Alexey! Everything that Roman wrote about in the article is a continuation of what Yakovlev, the foreman of perestroika, did. Destruction of the country, the country that defeated fascism. Under the cover of "universal human values"
  4. +5
    13 December 2019 06: 40
    here he is the liberalism of the guarantor and others like him in action, circle of partners
  5. +2
    13 December 2019 06: 44
    For some reason I do not understand the local fools. We have dozens of memorials to the soldiers of 1mv and 2 we. What are the problems?
  6. +9
    13 December 2019 06: 47
    In general, such a disregard for the country is no longer surprising. Frankly vile films, the heroization of traitors, the rehabilitation of executioners - all these are links of the same chain. The essence of which is, under the guise of veneration of the memory of ancestors, create meannesses in assortment.

    The indifference of those who MUST remember, this is a disruption in their heads, which is so simple not to remove.
    The power that contributes to all this is simply NOT OUR, it betrays / sells all that is the greatness of our country!
    Question, what to do?
    The answer is, this power is necessary ........
  7. +13
    13 December 2019 06: 52
    In Baltiysk, 100 meters from the squad of miserable minesweepers, there is a memorial to our fallen soldiers (also neglected), but if you go to the dunes, then there is a hefty memorial complex in honor of the fallen German soldiers. The difference is noticeable.
    1. +18
      13 December 2019 07: 23
      In Pechenga the same thing. German cemetery ideally. Ours is in poor condition. Although close to military units and administrations of various poshiba
      1. -2
        13 December 2019 10: 03
        That is, the administration should do everything for us, and we will observe from the outside? The cemeteries of the German occupiers are looked after by Fritz’s public organizations, and will we sit back? What, throughout Pechenga in particular, and the Murmansk region as a whole, are there not indifferent? No search engines? But has it come out of power, power, or do you have other options for its origin?
        1. +3
          13 December 2019 12: 44
          In general, I agree with you, Andrei. However, burials are on the balance of the administration and there are special people who are responsible for the order in the cemeteries and regularly receive salaries for this. Perhaps their number is not enough, perhaps underfunding. In this case, the administration should throw a cry about holding a voluntary subbotnik, raising funds, organize these events correctly and I am sure that those who are not indifferent will respond more than is required to carry out these works. Those. First of all, indifference should be shown by the authorities, and if it does not, then this is not power, but a bunch of bureaucrats suffering from organizational impotence. Thanks to Roman for his struggle.
  8. +12
    13 December 2019 07: 39
    I personally agree with the author. Our government wants to be "smooth" for everyone and on all "topics". I often speak to schoolchildren - they do not know not only the dates (what is required of them on the exam), they also do not know about the victims of the Nazis and Nazis among the civilian population. Once in one school I showed children a video for the song "Salaspils Children's Camp" - the children had tears in their eyes, but they will remember for the rest of their lives who their great-grandfathers fought against. But this is an exception. During events dedicated to the Second World War, children are not shown real photos and newsreels about the peaceful victims of the Nazis, about concentration camps .... It all comes down to a set of songs about the war and clips about "Immortal Regiment" and "Youth Army".
    1. +4
      13 December 2019 10: 46
      I press your paw! It depends only on you and us whether our descendants will remember and honor the feat of our ancestors. You can’t rely on public institutions in education.
    2. +4
      13 December 2019 12: 49
      Thank you, Vitaly! Hooked on the living. I remembered how in the 7th class the teacher of Russian and literature took our whole class to the cinema for the film "Come and See". At the exit from the hall, deathly silence reigned and even the hooligans, regular clients of the PDN commission, had wet eyes. And then he said: "I understand you, it hurts, but it is necessary so that you do not forget."
  9. +12
    13 December 2019 08: 32
    Now they are trying to open a new Overton window called "The Second World War was the brainchild of both Hitler and Stalin", that is, all the victims in it are equal, the memory should be given not only to defenseless victims, but also to the rapist executioners. In addition, the descendants of the executioners and some of the high officials have passports and residence permits in Italy, they are welcomed there, they have villas and palazzo there. Why, there, evening ... hmmm, "patriot" Shapiro, and he has a residence permit and property there.
    1. 0
      13 December 2019 22: 22
      Quote: Altona
      Now they are trying to open a new Overton window called "The Second World War was the brainchild of both Hitler and Stalin."

      Eugene, do not try to open, but have already opened.
  10. +1
    13 December 2019 08: 42
    we are losing ideological guidelines ... Stalin has never been brought flowers to Victory Day ... in the end, they don’t know how to achieve results winked
  11. +5
    13 December 2019 08: 59
    Well, what can one wish for in education, with a portfolio-bearing man who has an inborn malice towards the USSR ... his last pearl about V.I. Lenin is especially indicative ... Klitschko is already resting.
  12. +6
    13 December 2019 09: 05
    It’s possible that I’m wrong, but THIS did not begin yesterday! I got a book for extracurricular reading on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of the Victory, published in Gorky, about Sitnov it was bashfully written that he died at the end of 1945. BUT back in the mid-60s Volnov in his book * A Tale of the Peer * indicated REAL Reason - Sitnov was KILLED during the attack * of the * forest * brothers!
    1. +10
      13 December 2019 09: 27
      You're not right. Nobody kept silent about the "forest brothers". Here is a list of Soviet feature films on this topic:
      film "Uninvited guests" - 1959, Tallinfilm, dir. Igor Yeltsov.
      film “Look Back on the Road” - 1963, Tallinfilm, dir. Kalyo Kiisk.
      film "Shadows of the Old Castle" - 1966, Tallinfilm, dir. Maria Muat, according to the story of Arnold Neggo "Island of the Giants."
      film "Nobody Wanted to Die" - 1966, Lithuanian Film Studio, dir. Vytautas алalakevičius.
      film "When rain and wind knock on the window" - 1967, Riga Film Studio, Alois Branch.
      film "Men's Summer" - 1970, Lithuanian Film Studio, dir. Marionas Gedris.
      film "Nest in the Wind" - 1979, Tallinfilm, dir. Olav Neiland.
      film "Forest Violets" - 1980, Tallinfilm, dir. Kalyo Kiisk.
      film "Long Road in the Dunes" - 1980, Riga Film Studio, dir. Alois Branch.
      film "Front in the Father's House" - 1984, Riga Film Studio, dir. Eric Lazis.
      h / f “State border. Salt wind ”- 1988, Belarusfilm, dir. Gennady Ivanov.
      Let me remind you that cinema in the USSR was a powerful propaganda tool, not a "commodity" for making a profit ...
      1. +3
        13 December 2019 10: 19
        I agree, but I was outraged by the fact of distorting the biography of this man! Sitnov survived in the death camps - if memory serves - Auschwitz - and was able to save the Hero's Golden Star there! And this book was intended for students of his countrymen! My fellow countrymen! My school’s pioneer squad is still named after Valentin Sitnov!
        1. +4
          13 December 2019 11: 11
          Yes, a lot of things were distorted and silent. We knew about Khatyn and about non-Nashen’s Oradur and Lidice. Meanwhile, in Novgorod and Tverskaya, adjacent to it, there are more than a dozen such villages burned together with the inhabitants of the villages. Only now they were remembered and began to put memorable signs.
  13. +7
    13 December 2019 09: 20
    The entire administration of this town, probably members of United Russia?
    1. +1
      14 December 2019 11: 56
      The chief official of the Mishankov region, he is the main Edinoros. But what about?
  14. +6
    13 December 2019 09: 21
    And what about patriots? Where are the Voronezh Cossacks? Are they cuddling at the feeding trough? Are they combing the foreheads?
    1. 0
      14 December 2019 11: 58
      There are three chieftains, One, Sergei Shikhatov, the chieftain who stands behind the demolition of the fascist grave in the city center, and the other two are mummers and are sniffing around the feeding trough.
      1. 0
        14 December 2019 13: 11
        The world has not come together in a wedge on these two renegades. Where the registered Cossacks, let them drag into the Circle of bastards, they are deported.
  15. +1
    13 December 2019 11: 34
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    In my veins, in addition to Russian, Tatar and German blood flows. Where shall I write: to the Nazis or to ISIS?

    In TNIGIL - Tatar-German ISIS or NSDIGIL - People's Social Democratic ISIS
  16. +5
    13 December 2019 12: 15
    Scrape the Russian official - a thief, dual citizenship, a bribe taker, a traitor will be revealed .....
    1. -2
      13 December 2019 13: 11
      This has been the case throughout Russian history.
  17. -9
    13 December 2019 15: 16
    In 1991 we defeated communism in Russia. Every year we celebrate Independence Day. If anyone misunderstands what this holiday means, I can explain. Our Motherland, Russia in the Soviet past was a victim of the Bolshevik ideology, which in its essence is equally criminal on a par with fascism. The only difference was in the details. As part of the Union of Soviet Republics, our country with the then name of the RSFSR actually lost its independence. There was no army of its own, its own Communist Party, which at that time was the key unit of power. There were only structures of meaningless executive power and the so-called people's courts. This is over forever. Russia is free again. It only causes bewilderment to identify the victory of our compatriots in World War II with the shameful Soviet past of the unfree Motherland. The victorious grandfathers served the wrong "kings" and wore the wrong shoulder straps. And the banner, which became a symbol of Victory, was unfortunately the wrong color. It is difficult to understand this, the habitual representation implanted in us for a long time interferes. The grandfathers won, and the Bolshevik henchmen, headed by Stalin, took advantage of the victory. They enslaved the countries of Eastern Europe and imposed criminal regimes on its peoples. That is why now Soviet bronze soldiers are being demolished. The liberators unwittingly turned into occupiers. We just don't want to understand this. And with monuments everything is simple. There are soldiers, there are strangers. Their honor and memory, strangers, like fallen soldiers, people are simply worthy of at least disgrace. This is the inherent nobility of our people. But there should not be any symbols of that time, neither Soviet nor Nazi. The signs of traditional religions are enough as a tribute to the memory and Faith of the people, the Faith that Soviet ideologists tried so vainly to erase and which they failed to do. Do not do this and you.
    1. +2
      13 December 2019 16: 05
      Quote: Stepan Razin
      In 1991, we ....

      From, yes! Do you serve in the Rossosh administration? Spit, sir, so spit s!
      1. +2
        13 December 2019 20: 41
        Quote: Was Mammoth
        Quote: Stepan Razin
        In 1991, we ....

        From, yes! Do you serve in the Rossosh administration? Spit, sir, so spit s!

        "" We defeated communism in Russia "?????. Some completely different assumptions about the location and service. ..someone recruited, or what?
        1. +4
          13 December 2019 21: 23
          Judging by ++++ and minuses, Stepan is not the only one who thinks in this way. .... recourse .... Tries to spread his views ..... and not far to calls for repentance.
    2. Cop
      +3
      13 December 2019 16: 08
      Yeah, Styopa, I would like to answer you with the words of one person known throughout the country ..... ".. Stepan, You are wrong ...".
      Quote: Stepan Razin
      ........ inherently equally criminal on a par with fascism.
      I really want to put you in front of two doors, on one of which would be written "Crematorium", and on the other "Magadan camp." And then open them, so that from one you would smell the heat and the smell of burning meat in one's face, and from the other you could hear the guard shepherd barking. I would give dearly, in order to see which one you would choose .........
    3. -1
      13 December 2019 22: 26
      Our Homeland, Russia in the Soviet past was a victim of Bolshevik ideology, which in its essence was equally criminal on a par with fascism.

      Another prisoner of the pioneer camps Kolenka showed up.
  18. -2
    13 December 2019 16: 17
    Again cheap accents. Our grandfathers shed blood and gave their lives for their descendants to live in their prosperous country, and not for monuments. Monuments, of course, must be protected, but this is not the problem, and the author is well aware of this.
    "Having lost their head through their hair, they don't cry."
    And then he, you see, doesn’t like the movie, somewhere the monument is overgrown.
    And so all is well. The fact that the victorious nation is in a state of civil war is a trifle.
    Well, actually, nothing new. Follow the monuments and you will live in a great country.
    1. Cop
      +2
      13 December 2019 16: 26
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Again cheap accents. Our grandfathers shed blood and gave their lives for their descendants to live in their prosperous country, and not for monuments. Monuments, of course, must be protected, but this is not the problem, and the author is well aware of this.
      Of course he knows, they only pay him for ..... "generation of pluralism," and here he plays the role of a "good investigator" ......
      1. -2
        13 December 2019 16: 39
        Quote: Cop
        Of course he knows, they only pay him for ..... "generation of pluralism," and here he plays the role of a "good investigator" ......

        Yes, that’s the whole ideological pathos. I completely agree.
        1. +1
          13 December 2019 17: 22
          Quote: Old Fuck
          Yes, that’s the whole ideological pathos. I completely agree.

          You can go even further: with VK of one blogger, in the sense that you ask yourself the right questions first of all (there really is a parallel between us and the West, but ideological pathos is also in the topic):
          I have a question for those who worry about rewriting the results of the Second World War in the West:
          - Tell me, how are you and I, like the entire neutral federation, related to the Victory of the Soviet people now?

          @ We allowed to destroy all its conquests, we allowed the second, actually voluntary, occupation of the country.

          @ We finance with our taxes the creation of an unprecedented bandit, in fact a fascist regime that uses our citizens as "meat" in their personal earnings (oil, gas, gold, diamonds, phosphates, rubies, etc.) in Africa, the Middle East and Latin America, let alone a neutral federation.

          Why do you have the right to shame the West if you and I ourselves have betrayed and "trampled" the graves, the heritage of our ancestors.

          Walking with sticks in the Immortal regiment is easy, not easy to match with those depicted on them.


          And then monuments - and soon the whole country will have to erect a monument!
  19. +3
    13 December 2019 19: 18
    "It's just amazing how much everything in this city doesn't give a damn about everything."
    In this city? In '93, when the Supreme Power was shot from tanks, the whole country did not care, what do you now want from them, naive? wassat
  20. -2
    13 December 2019 22: 18
    Also, one must not forget that the Americans liberated Buchenwald. And what the USSR did to him. In the period 1945-1950. the camp was used by the NKVD of the USSR as a special camp for internees - "Special Camp No. 2" [25]. In Buchenwald, the main contingent was made up of those who at one time belonged to Nazi organizations, but there were very few occupying truly important posts among them.

    In 1948, it was integrated into the Gulag system. According to Soviet archival data, in 1945-1950. 28 455 prisoners passed through the camp, 7113 of them died.
    1. Cop
      +2
      14 December 2019 16: 17
      Quote: Volodya Breivik
      And what the USSR did to him. In the period 1945-1950. the camp was used by the NKVD of the USSR as a special camp for internees - "Special Camp No. 2".
      But isn't it fair that those who built this camp themselves will sit in it?
  21. -2
    13 December 2019 22: 19
    Until May 9, 2020, this practice should be stopped by the commander-in-chief, and all these burials of invaders, murderers and looters should be exponentially returned to the heir to the European Reich. Otherwise, they should be considered memorials to "the liberators of Russia from the communist regime" (well, who else was associated with it). This is a clear result of the defeat of the USSR and the equating of the USSR with Hitler's Germany.
    1. -3
      13 December 2019 22: 22
      Quote: iouris
      By May 9, 2020 this practice should stop and all these burials of invaders ...

      It w how much to drink, to write this belay laughing
  22. -2
    13 December 2019 22: 51
    "Stalin is not on them ..." From the speech of Comrade Stalin at the XVII Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) (report): “Of course, we are far from admiring the fascist regime in Germany. But the point here is not fascism, if only because fascism, for example, in Italy, did not prevent the USSR from establishing the best relations with this country. " Where to order to write Comrade. Stalin?
    1. 0
      13 December 2019 23: 40
      Quote: Beech56
      Where do you order to write comrade Stalin?

      1) Stalin has long and firmly taken his place in history. "Write down" contemporary politicians, for there are known problems with this. 2) It is necessary (theoretically and practically) to distinguish between authoritarianism, fascism and Nazism. 3) War is a continuation of politics, and politics is a concentrated expression of economics. If the economy demands, then the politician will deal with any regime.
      1. 0
        14 December 2019 18: 32
        "If the economy demands, then the politician will deal with any regime." That is, "business is business and nothing personal"?
  23. 0
    14 December 2019 02: 02
    Creatures corrupt, be damned to the seventh knee
  24. +2
    14 December 2019 05: 32
    On May 9, the Lenin Mausoleum, bashfully plywood boarded up. Budget money is being spent on opuses filmed according to the canons of anti-Soviet propaganda, Anticipation and the Citadel, which are worth, Goebbels turns in his grave from envy. And you about the monuments to the Italian occupiers. Swim finely, comrades. A weak claim to present to Putin? He heads the state apparatus and domestic policy on it. Or does he not know what bad boyars are doing?
  25. 0
    14 December 2019 10: 59
    We need to go to Rossosh and make a nighttime ingimasia and so that this monument does not stand there by morning already
    Shame on the Russian authorities about what is happening on earth
  26. 0
    14 December 2019 12: 32
    Considering that in the city of Rossosh there are THREE monuments to the Alpine riflemen of fascist Italy, including a kindergarten on the site of the headquarters of the occupation corps, a cheap cemetery monument cannot be called an insult and humiliation of the memory of those executed and tortured in an Italian concentration camp. And the inscription on the main slab of the future memorial should begin with the words: “More than one and a half thousand civilians are buried here, executed and brutally tortured in a local concentration camp by executioners in feathered hats, sent by the fascist Mussolini regime to Russia to destroy the people and seize our lands. these victims are the command of the alpine occupation corps of fascist Italy. " After all, when the Italian command changed the German occupation power in the city, they did NOT CLOSE THE CONCEPT CAMP, but continued the bloody deed of the Nazi executioners. This is the bitter truth about the infamous page of Italy and the Alpine shooters. And both local residents and visiting tourists from Italy should know this truth, whether they are descendants of ardent fascists or the descendants of those soldiers who did not want to fight, but went on the orders of their fascist leader Mussolini to conquer new territories for him and fell into a bloody meat grinder. Nobody called them here and there should not be monuments to them on our land under any circumstances. Here is the very case of collective responsibility, when ordinary soldiers are not worthy of any memory because of the atrocities of the executioners. Only in Italy, let them figure out who was a fascist and a monster, and who was forced cannon fodder. So our tragedy is not a common one and our history is not common and we should not try to equalize YOUR and OUR dead, executioners and their victims, aggressors-invaders and soldiers-liberators. Stop being hypocritical and, under the guise of reconciliation and false "friendship", try to rewrite the history of a bloody war to destroy the people of the former Soviet Union.
  27. +1
    14 December 2019 15: 56
    Roman, cover this more often, people should know their "heroes". I wonder if the kids of the bureaucrats will move to Italy ?? Or with their parents to the Kolyma?
    1. 0
      15 December 2019 09: 26
      Quote: kot28.ru
      Roman, cover this more often, people should know their "heroes". I wonder if the kids of the bureaucrats will move to Italy ?? Or with their parents to the Kolyma?


      On this, not only in Italy can be blamed

      https://newbur.ru/n/43289/
  28. -1
    14 December 2019 23: 37
    And what? Are these still alive? Scum!
  29. 0
    17 December 2019 15: 23
    Roman, your article gave me one thought. We all know how they now love and glorify Nazi collaborators in Ukraine and the Baltic states. The descendants are proud of them, fall into power. And what about the situation with the surviving Vlasovites and others, who are their descendants and what are they doing? I would like to see material on this topic.
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