The Secret Conspiracy. Why did the meeting between Trump and Lavrov bother America?

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The victory of Russian propaganda and Trump's secret conspiracy immediately called several well-known American politicians the visit of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to Washington. Let's try to figure out why the trip of the main Russian diplomat became a real event of the week, which was widely covered in the American media.

Symbolic meeting


As soon as Donald Trump received Sergey Lavrov at the White House, the American press sharply criticized the meeting. Most of all, the critics were annoyed that Trump did not call for the meeting on the basis of the "Norman Four" not the Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky, but the head of the Russian diplomatic department.



Congressman Adam Schiff called the meeting a victory for Russian propaganda, and one of the leaders of the US Democratic Party faction in Congress, Chuck Schumer, laughed that Trump, Pompeo and Lavrov had staged a "secret conspiracy." Of course, the words about the secret conspiracy are a joke, but, as you know, every joke has a grain of truth.

The meeting between Trump and Lavrov alone was an exclusively working event, but critics of the American president considered Trump to show neglect to the opposition: they say, despite all the allegations of ties to Russia, I will meet with Russian representatives. This meeting can be regarded as a demonstration of the president’s independence, as he emphasizes that he is not even afraid of the threat of impeachment that hung over him at the initiative of the democrats.

Interestingly, the opposition opposition to Trump does not even go into the content of the meeting, in its essence. For democrats, it’s more important now to simply criticize the fact that the American president is meeting with the Russian foreign minister, although it couldn’t be otherwise: representatives of the two great powers simply cannot help negotiating, because there are so many hot topics for discussion.

At the same time, it was the hysteria of the Democrats that ultimately freed Trump from many factors that previously could restrain him from meeting with the head of the Russian diplomatic department. And now, when the impeachment procedure has already been launched, the president can even act in spite of the democrats, emphasizing that he will make decisions with whom to meet or not to meet.

Another positive circumstance in this vein is the absence in the White House of those high-ranking American officials who were extremely Russophobic and in themselves were an obstacle to normalizing relations with Russia. We are talking, for example, about John Bolton, who was considered an extreme Russophobe even against the background of other American "hawks."

By the way, the topic of Russia's alleged interference in the US election, according to US representatives, was also raised at the meeting. Mike Pompeo says he warned Lavrov against Russian interference in the US election. Interestingly, the Russian Foreign Minister in his memoirs about the meeting with the US Secretary of State broke up and noted that the elections during the meeting with Trump and Pompeo were not discussed.

Thus, someone is “getting dark” and it is possible that it is the American side that is beneficial to declare a warning to the Russian authorities. Such a statement can be designed for internal use in order to reassure the Democrats, for whom the topic of Russian interference in the elections is very painful and at the same time used to put pressure on Trump’s cabinet.

All speculations regarding our alleged interference in US internal processes are unfounded. We did not see any facts that would confirm this. Nobody presented them to us, probably simply because they do not exist,

- noted Lavrov.

By the way, interestingly, Moscow suggested that the American side publish the correspondence between the diplomatic departments of the two states for the period from October 2016 to November 2017. And such openness on the part of Russia is not accidental, although it is quite unprecedented. After all, this step, according to Russian diplomats, would finally remove the suspicions from our country of interference in the US election campaign in 2016.

But the White House refused the offer of the Russian diplomatic department, which testifies to the interest of the American side in further speculations on the issue of interference in the elections. That is, the American establishment is very convenient to use the Russian factor in its undercover games, competition for power and resources.

START-3 in the spotlight


If we talk about the meeting itself, it was quite positive and thorough, but the parties could not agree on such key issues.

One of the most important topics discussed at the meeting was the fate of the START-3 treaty. As you know, the offensive arms reduction treaty expires in February 2021, but it can be extended for another five years, until 2026, if, of course, both parties agree to the extension of the treaty.

Moscow is convinced that START-3 should be extended to avoid a new arms race and exacerbate global tension. The American side is in favor of ending START-3. After the US withdraws from the INF Treaty, it is not surprising that Washington is dreaming of the termination of another important treaty.


The thing is that the American leadership considers START-3, like the INF Treaty, obsolete treaties. Now, China has become an important rival to the United States, and not only in the economic, but also in the military sphere. And just the Celestial Empire, which did not participate in the INF Treaty, is not covered by the action of START-3. It turns out that while Americans and Russians are reducing arms and cannot develop the production of certain types of missiles, China does not have such barriers.

Naturally, the American side insists on including China in the negotiation process to discuss the future of START-3 and conclude a new treaty. This was directly stated by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, stressing that the Communist Party of China should also become one of the participants in the discussion of the agreements.

In addition, the American side focuses on improving new delivery methods. Now they are not limited to missiles, strategic bombers, nuclear submarines. New types of weapons may be used which are not prescribed in the agreement concluded 10 years ago. Accordingly, the world needs to sign a new treaty, according to the United States.

Sergei Lavrov at a meeting with Trump voiced the position of Vladimir Putin, who is convinced of the desirability of extending START-3. At the same time, going to the USA, Lavrov emphasized that the decisive word rests with the American side, since Russia does not object to the extension of START-3. But, as we understand it, the Russians and the Americans failed to come to a common denominator: Trump and Pompeo are still convinced that START-3 has become obsolete, and without China it makes no sense to conclude any new treaties.

We talked about China, Syria and trade with Russia


Trump and Lavrov could not but touch upon such important topics of world politics as Syria, Afghanistan and North Korea. The parties discussed the prospects for the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and containment of North Korean nuclear projects, and discussed the situation in Syria, Afghanistan, and the Gaza Strip. The political situation in Venezuela was also affected, but the American president and Russian diplomat number one have not yet reached any significant results.

They also discussed relations between the United States and China, which, after the Trump-led trade war, noticeably weakened and worsened. At the same time, both parties are convinced that it is necessary to develop trade relations with China, given the importance of this state on a global scale.

The importance of trade with the Celestial Empire was also noted by Trump, who also announced his desire to increase trade with Russia. After the 2014 year, in connection with the events in Ukraine, relations between the United States and Russia deteriorated, which also affected the economic ties between the two states. Under Trump's predecessor, Barack Obama, trade between Russia and the United States after the Ukrainian events fell to the level of 20 billion dollars, but under Trump, the level of trade, despite the sanctions, rose to 27 billion. This fact alone confirms the words of the American president about increasing trade with Russia.

By the way, the Americans themselves admit that the sanctions did not affect more than 90% of Russian-American trade. This is the figure voiced by the former US ambassador to Russia, John Huntsman, noting that thousands of US companies continue to work in Russia, and Russian entrepreneurs, in turn, are developing businesses in the United States, and there are no problems for their activities even now, in conditions bilateral sanctions.

As a practical person who came to politics from business, Donald Trump is well aware that political confrontation is one thing, and economic ties are another. Whatever the political contradictions between the countries, the two largest powers of the world simply cannot cooperate in the economy at all.

A third growth in trade between Russia and the United States is new jobs for both Russians and Americans, new tax revenues to the budgets of both countries, new opportunities for developing and scaling up businesses. Therefore, Trump and adheres to the strategy for the further development of trade relations with the Russian Federation.

It is for this purpose that the two states are going to launch the Business Advisory Council of Russia and the USA. Putin and Trump discussed his project during a meeting in 2018. The council has not yet been formed, but if it is created, then there will be hope for the further development of economic relations between the Russian Federation and the USA.

After all, when the bilateral commission for the development of economic relations, created under the presidents Dmitry Medvedev and Barack Obama, Russia and the United States managed to achieve maximum performance in trade (in 2011, it amounted to 31 billion dollars). Then, due to problems in political relations between the two states, this figure fell, but both in Washington and in Moscow consider it possible to restore it in the foreseeable future.

Summing up the meeting between Trump and Lavrov, it is worth noting that, despite the absence of any epoch-making decisions, in general, the meeting was really important. Most importantly, she emphasized the readiness of the two states for a normal dialogue. Perhaps this is precisely what the American hawks and those who are interested in further escalation of tension between Russia and the United States did not like.
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  1. +8
    13 December 2019 05: 10
    called the meeting a victory for Russian propaganda
    The point is ... Sanctions have not been canceled!
    1. +10
      13 December 2019 06: 46
      Uncle Lee (Vladimir) Today, 05: 10 NEW
      called the meeting a victory for Russian propaganda
      The point is ... Sanctions have not been canceled!

      Do you want to be canceled right away? Remind me how long the Jackson-Vanik amendment worked? Even at the time of the Gorbachev-Yeltsin reptile before the West, it was not canceled.
      ps By the way, it is strange that this amendment was canceled even under the current "bloody dictatorial regime" laughing
      1. +2
        13 December 2019 08: 13
        Quote: Ka-52
        Uncle Lee (Vladimir)
        called the meeting a victory for Russian propaganda. It’s just ... Sanctions have not been canceled!
        Do you want to be canceled right away?
        We don’t want it anymore, because the US will never cancel its sanctions NEVER! In the United States, only reasons and names change to continue the sanctions. Namely.
        Quote: Ka-52
        Remind me how long the Jackson-Vanik amendment worked?
        ps By the way, it is strange that this amendment was canceled even under the current "bloody dictatorial regime"
        You don't have to remind me, because it was immediately replaced by another sanction - the "amendment in the Magnitsky case."
        If there was no reason for the United States to impose sanctions against Russia in the "Magnitsky case" - the United States would not have canceled the Jackson-Vanik amendment! That's all!
        1. +2
          13 December 2019 11: 25
          In the United States, only reasons and names change to continue the sanctions.

          Is that something you made a discovery? Or did you decide to impress me with your awareness? what
          You don't have to remind me, because it was immediately replaced by another sanction - the "amendment in the Magnitsky case."
          If there was no reason for the United States to impose sanctions against Russia in the "Magnitsky case" - the United States would not have canceled the Jackson-Vanik amendment! That's all!

          do not engage in profanity and pulling an owl on the globe. The Jackson-Vanik amendment was canceled because de facto it had not worked for several years. It was of a general nature, imposing restrictions on the whole sector of trade and banking. Magnitsky's law is personalized and concerns a specific circle of people. They are far from the same thing.
          1. +2
            13 December 2019 14: 56
            Quote: Ka-52
            do not engage in profanity and pulling an owl on the globe. The Jackson-Vanik amendment was canceled because de facto it had not worked for several years. It was of a general nature, imposing restrictions on the whole sector of trade and banking. Magnitsky's law is personalized and concerns a specific circle of people. They are far from the same thing.

            All personal US sanctions against the Russian Federation tend to expand both personally and politically against the whole country, as well as against its foreign partners and allies.

            EXAMPLES.
            US sanctions against the Russian Federation and its economic partners in the construction of the Crimean bridge.
            US sanctions against the Russian Federation on the issue of voluntary accession of Crimea to the Russian Federation.
            US sanctions against the Russian Federation in the diplomatic field regarding the presence of the Russian diplomatic mission in the United States and an unspoken ban on the participation of Russian diplomats in UN meetings.
            Sanctions against the Russian Federation in international sports, allegedly with the filing of WADA (read USA).
      2. +2
        13 December 2019 12: 39
        Quote: Ka-52
        Uncle Lee (Vladimir) Today, 05: 10 NEW
        called the meeting a victory for Russian propaganda
        The point is ... Sanctions have not been canceled!

        Do you want to be canceled right away? Remind me how long the Jackson-Vanik amendment worked? Even at the time of the Gorbachev-Yeltsin reptile before the West, it was not canceled.

        Its (amendment) was not only canceled, it can be said to have been replaced by the "Magnitsky law", since that "Venik edition" is ideologically outdated. In principle, yes, there is no reason to hope that the mattresses will be taken and the sanctions will be lifted. a set of sanctions for the United States is a product, the essence of which, if in a simplified form, is that - you and I have relatively equal conditions, but you want more than you have. You create a problem, and then you suggest that I solve this problem by making a concession at my expense. Somewhere in something, I have to concede, somewhere I rest. As a result, one party constantly loses through a concession, and the other gains by creating a problem and "selling" it. Some sanctions are being replaced by others, but one thing is invariable - the generator of sanctions works only from one side.
    2. +1
      13 December 2019 13: 44
      why cancel them ????
  2. +3
    13 December 2019 05: 15
    Trump is not a friend, but in the concept of exalting America, a complete go E tism is obviously not included. You have to talk, communicate!
    1. +1
      13 December 2019 12: 48
      Quote: rocket757
      Trump is not a friend, but in the concept of exalting America, a complete go E tism is obviously not included. You have to talk, communicate!

      It’s just that the US is beginning to understand that against the backdrop of the Syrian-Ukrainian confrontation, there is a steady rapprochement of Russia and China in the military and economic sphere, which does not bode well for the United States, and therefore I won’t be surprised if contacts begin to expand in the near future, moreover, on the initiative of the American side. The interesting thing is, for what promises and promises will they begin to drag the Russian leadership into their sphere of interests?
      1. +2
        13 December 2019 14: 08
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        rapprochement of Russia and China in the military and economic sphere,

        This is a serious argument not to bubble against ... the wind that can fly from the East. He can become a hurricane of force!
        However, there are still reasons, because there is no empty place, and the crawling Yankees leave Void after themselves!
        Interesting time, events are and will be again!
        1. +3
          13 December 2019 14: 28
          Quote: rocket757
          Interesting time, events are and will be again!
          Truly so.
          Quote: rocket757
          to blame against ... the wind, which can fly from the East. He can become a hurricane of force!

          The Americans, analyzing the possibilities of China in the path of modernization and renewal of the PLA to a state of "hurricane force wind", measure a period of time of 10 - 15 years, which is a trifle by today's standards. Considering that the Russian Federation has recently promised to help the PRC in creating a system for early detection of missile launches, as well as the fact that documents on military cooperation have been signed between the PRC and the Russian Federation, this time can be significantly reduced. These circumstances force the mattresses not only to hurry up, but to do it "hastily", which is why they begin to push aside especially deranged hawks, whose position does not allow finding common ground with the Russian Federation in the search for options to counter China. So it's time for trades and exchanges. We will see what kind of beads they will offer us. hi
          1. 0
            13 December 2019 15: 09
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            We will see what kind of beads they will offer us.

            "Bidding" will be ... no matter what degree of dislike is, between countries, for "real businessmen" it will not be an obstacle if they bargain or the points of contact are beneficial for them. This is AXIOM!
  3. +5
    13 December 2019 05: 49
    Just like that, Lavrov wouldn’t fly to the USA, and Trump wouldn’t make too much noise at home. So there was a serious reason to meet, and it was precisely to meet and not communicate by telephone! Well, of course, the reason that can not be trusted with the phone will not be disclosed to the press either. And all the other stated topics cover for the main not voiced.
  4. 0
    13 December 2019 06: 21
    since Russia does not object to the extension of START-3 China, for now, at least, is not an enemy for us, and for the Americans, an extra article, rather sickly, of the military budget would only "benefit" it. So in vain, in my opinion, does not mind.
  5. +5
    13 December 2019 06: 31
    The goal of the Russian Federation is to extend the validity period of the bilateral START-3 treaty, which does not include new types of strategic weapons (NPA Poseidon and KR Burevestnik).

    The US goal is to terminate START-3 in order to force Russia and China to conclude a trilateral START-4 treaty with America, which includes new types of strategic weapons.

    As a result, after 14 months, START-3 will most likely cease to exist and negotiations on a new treaty will go in an unpredictable format - trilateral (Russia, the USA and China), five-sided (plus France and Britain), seven-sided (plus India and Pakistan) or nine-sided (plus Israel and North Korea). Moreover, the new treaty may include all types of nuclear weapons - tactical, medium-range and strategic.
  6. 0
    13 December 2019 06: 32
    Life is getting better ... laughing I remember that Russian ministers, about 5 years ago, often traveled to the United States, to report to the American Congress .. uhhhh, develop relations ...
    1. +2
      13 December 2019 06: 36
      Quote: parusnik
      Russian ministers, about 5 years ago, more often traveled to the USA, report to the American Congress .. uhhhh, develop relationships ...

      Why are you sorry?

      And by the way - who was it "five years ago reported to the Congress"? Well, just very interesting Yes
      1. -1
        13 December 2019 17: 10
        Mussia Kudrin ... drove criticized and lost confidence, and then they understood and forgive him .. laughing
        1. -1
          13 December 2019 17: 21
          Quote: parusnik
          then they understood and forgave him

          Well, since you think so - further conversation with you does not make sense.

          I understand what you wrote. thank Yes
    2. 0
      13 December 2019 07: 47
      Fortune-telling in coffee grounds in politics ... Not a thankful job. However, for authors who will write an article tomorrow refuting the previous one, this is normal ...
  7. +1
    13 December 2019 06: 43
    I read the author - how he listened to TV ... It turns out that Lavrov’s visit quarreled the American establishment, recorded an increase in mutual understanding and trade turnover. And the sanctions against SP-2 and the official declaration of the Russian Federation in terrorism are, obviously, just insignificant nonsense.

    ps Meanwhile, the "uninvited" Zelensky switched to the language of ultimatums and revision of agreements.
    1. +1
      13 December 2019 06: 51
      Quote: samarin1969
      It turns out that Lavrov’s visit quarreled the American establishment, recorded an increase in mutual understanding and trade turnover

      Any objections? It would be interesting to listen ...

      Quote: samarin1969
      And the sanctions against SP-2 and the official declaration of the Russian Federation in terrorism-this ...

      ... working moments. Work with them Yes

      By the way, what is "ad in terrorism "?

      Quote: samarin1969
      "uninvited" Zelensky switched to the language of ultimatums and revision of agreements

      Do you know the joke about the elephant?

      He is ziist ... yes hto will give him?

      And so it will turn out with Zelensky ... do not go to a fortuneteller.
      1. -1
        13 December 2019 07: 08
        Quote: Golovan Jack

        By the way, what is a "declaration in terrorism"?

        Thanks for the proofreading services. The mistake is the "charge of terrorism".

        The House of Representatives Legal Committee has filed impeachment charges against Trump the day before Lavrov’s visit. And the president himself officially warned Lavrov about the inadmissibility of interference in the elections. The author (Mr. Polonsky) clearly exaggerates the role of the person of Lavrov in the struggle of the imperials and globalists in the United States.

        Otherwise, the depth of your insider knowledge is second only to your "tirelessness". laughing
        1. +3
          13 December 2019 07: 10
          Quote: samarin1969
          the depth of your insider is second only to your "tirelessness"

          Man, I don’t need your grades. Save them for the poor you are teaching.

          And here is your sarcastic

          Quote: samarin1969
          I read the author - how he listened to TV ... It turns out that Lavrov’s visit quarreled the American establishment

          You have not yet succeeded in substantiating. Try again (s) Yes
        2. +2
          13 December 2019 11: 45
          Quote: samarin1969
          The author (Mr. Polonsky) clearly exaggerates the role of the person of Lavrov in the struggle of the imperials and globalists in the United States.

          Significant if all the media are discussing it.
    2. +1
      13 December 2019 09: 41
      Meanwhile, the "uninvited" Zelensky switched to the language of ultimatums and revision of agreements.

      The dog barks ...
      The New York Times (USA): Ukrainian President Alone in Confrontation with Russia
      America's lack of interest became apparent when the leaders of Ukraine and Russia met in Paris

      I'm strong! But easy ...
  8. -1
    13 December 2019 07: 30
    Why did it make you okay? Well, the mattress bothers everyone - like a psychiatric patient without medical supervision. Yes, and deploying such propaganda to demonize the Russian Federation and accepting an official in your yellow house is a nightmare against the background of the course and general line of the regional committee, so officials went down worried rank. Nothing, in a couple of days, the circulars will explain the moment and everyone will calm down.
  9. Eug
    0
    13 December 2019 07: 58
    It seems that compromising on enemies allowed Trump to feel much freer ....
  10. 0
    13 December 2019 09: 57
    Yes, Trump has stirred up a hornet’s nest, they will now bite and sting until he either slams them or they him. There is no reason to speak of any prudence, which means that Lavrov’s trip is by and large useless.
  11. AAK
    -1
    13 December 2019 12: 53
    Another blah-blah-blah about nothing ... Gathered, expressed concern and hope for improvement ...
  12. 0
    13 December 2019 18: 37
    Major Tramp received an order from Putin.

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