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A fire occurred on the aircraft carrier cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov

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A fire occurred on the aircraft carrier cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov

A fire broke out at a major overhaul and modernization of the aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov. The cruiser is in the repair dock in Murmansk. This is reported by operational services.


According to available information, a fire broke out in the first energy compartment in 10: 16 (Moscow time). The fire area increased from 20 to 120 square meters. Employees of the Ministry of Emergencies work on the spot, extinguishing using a foam attack. Three victims are reported, they receive medical care.

According to preliminary information, a fire occurs in the first energy compartment, thick black smoke is coming from the upper deck (...) Three of the injured. All of them receive medical care.

- said in a statement.

There is thick black smoke above the deck, and diesel fuel has been reported. Extinguishing is done according to the second level of difficulty.

Eight people were rescued by forces of operational services and firefighters, they were taken out of the smoky rooms. The fate of one person is still unknown. Three more were injured

- leads TASS source words.

The causes of the fire are not reliably known; it is assumed that the fire could have occurred due to safety violations during welding. A special commission will be created on this fact, which will establish all the reasons for what happened.

Earlier, the head of the USC Alexei Rakhmanov said that the cruiser will need additional repairs. This became clear after the ship was defective.
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  1. Zhelezyakin
    Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 11: 42
    +22
    Well, what a good thing !!!
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 12 December 2019 11: 44
      -9
      Well, what a good thing !!!
      It's Russia )
      1. Machito
        Machito 12 December 2019 11: 47
        +28
        What is the commission in FIG? Dock drowned. And who was responsible for this?
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 12 December 2019 11: 49
          -5
          What is the commission in FIG? Dock drowned. And who was responsible for this?
          And here in FIG dock? Do you answer to whom in general?
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 12 December 2019 12: 00
            +6
            Probably writes on a training manual.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 12 December 2019 12: 14
              +15
              News one after another in a row. On Kuznetsovo the fire, in Nakhodka, the boat sank, and a helicopter crashed near Korenovsky ... It is ominously like that.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 12: 14
                -34
                Quote: Stas157
                Sinister as that

                Well, why ... it's time for another scream about "everything is gone." No? wink
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 12 December 2019 12: 16
                  +14
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Well, why ... it's time for another scream about "everything is gone". No?

                  Obviously, this is exactly what you are waiting for, Sharikov.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 12: 21
                    -20
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Obviously, this is exactly what you are waiting for, Sharikov

                    No. I just know you well (and all your, um, company).

                    With the terminology more careful, by the way. I do not love you, and you know it ... more accurately yes
                    1. The comment was deleted.
                  2. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 12 December 2019 12: 33
                    -34
                    You're not right. Sharikov, like Schwonder, is a typical product of the Soviet system - Homo Sovetikus. What can not be said about SW. Golovane Jack.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 12: 43
                      -30
                      Quote: AS Ivanov.
                      You are not right

                      Andrey, spit. Saliva.

                      Stasik runs up. And run into, inevitably.

                      Stasik more, stasik less ... I’m exactly request laughing
                      1. venik
                        venik 12 December 2019 18: 43
                        -1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Stasik more, stasik less ...

                        ======
                        Bah! Yes, you have no way to demote yourself to "lieutenants" ....
                        Well, the "flag -" in the hands ", the drum -" on the chest ".... Well, and" tailwind "- in ....." aft "!!!!
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 20: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: venik
                        Yes, you are in no way demoted to "lieutenants" ....

                        Broom, you write, albeit politely ... well, try, like ... but extremely illiterate negative

                        That's true - it hurts your eyes. Learn Russian before it's too late. It's never too late laughing

                        Quote: venik
                        "outlined"

                        Outlined. So it will be more accurate yes

                        We’ll deal with stasik, we’ve known for several days. Why are you here? That's true - I do not understand request
                    2. Kronos
                      Kronos 12 December 2019 12: 49
                      +2
                      Schwonder is a man who cares about the people but you don’t understand this bourgeois servant
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 12 December 2019 13: 40
                        -15
                        Did Schwonder care for the people in singing rrrevolutionary songs, supporting marginalized personalities and attempting to infringe on a respected professor? Typically Soviet approach.
                2. Vol4ara
                  Vol4ara 12 December 2019 12: 29
                  +26
                  Well, not everything, but "Kuzya" most likely just disappeared. An aircraft carrier without an air wing, or rather with an air wing, which is only suitable for dispersing bearded men with a Soviet anti-aircraft missile system at the top of the air defense, without a dock, and so it was questionable about its expediency. So now a fire has been added to this.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 12: 33
                    -16
                    Quote: Vol4ara
                    Well, not everything, but "Kuzya" most likely just disappeared

                    Well, why rush so? We will wait for the results ... they will bring to you - publicity, so that it does not exist ...
                  2. shark
                    shark 12 December 2019 12: 47
                    0
                    I agree. Kuzya unlucky ship. It may be easier to cut. In the process, when it is repaired, it will be time for modernization. And there again, the dock, fire, repair)) No, well, really .. For now, let’s do with what we have ...
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 12 December 2019 12: 52
                      +16
                      Quote: shark
                      Kuzya unlucky ship. It may be easier to cut.

                      This is called, in able hands and a balalaika bolt, and in inept hands and a balalaika bolt.
                    2. zadorin1974
                      zadorin1974 12 December 2019 14: 27
                      +1
                      If we WANT and WILL (two strong points) build an aircraft carrier, then Kuzyu cannot be cut under any condition. But there’s no reason to chase him away for distant lands, and to minimize equipment on it (take-off landing). you’ll earn and don’t teach. Costs are immeasurable. And so, recently, all the information associated with it is loss (either one plane or another, then a fire or breakdown). Sometimes it seems that he is fighting at the front. without stopping
                      1. New Year day
                        New Year day 12 December 2019 15: 44
                        +6
                        Quote: zadorin1974
                        , then Kuzyu can not be cut under any condition

                        If you saw it, then what for in Russia 2 threads?
                        It’s clear that Sakskaya fell from the sky, but in Yeisk?
                    3. Alien From
                      Alien From 12 December 2019 14: 34
                      +2
                      The dough cycle in nature! Such things ....... effective methods .....
                    4. The Siberian barber
                      The Siberian barber 12 December 2019 15: 21
                      +3
                      Quote: shark
                      I agree. Kuzya unlucky ship. It may be easier to cut. In the process, when it is repaired, it will be time for modernization. And there again, the dock, fire, repair)) No, well, really .. For now, let’s do with what we have ...

                      Amazing "logic"!
                      Based on it, you can create a commission to determine "lucky / unlucky". Breakdown / accident - for scrap, and no problem))
                      .... and there is no Fleet ... More precisely, its remnants, because almost everything was built during the Union
                      1. shark
                        shark 12 December 2019 17: 02
                        +1
                        Why a commission. Well, after all, it is quite clear that we probably don't really have the coastal infrastructure for keeping Kuzi in proper condition. Perhaps the project is unsuccessful, perhaps the technological capabilities of Russia do not meet the needs of Kuznetsov. But it is obvious that something is wrong with Kuzya. Here they write, they say, in no case, how will we teach pilots! But excuse me, in the first place, why and most importantly on what ship to teach them? How much to teach them? Under what catapult should they be taught? Which deck? Secondly, I agree that carrier-based aviation is necessary, but if such a "booze" went with Kuzya, what prevents to teach flyers on two Threads? With the money that the country spends on maintaining the visibility of Kuznetsov's combat readiness, we can train hundreds of good pilots who are familiar with the basics of piloting carrier-based aircraft. Experience is all the same on one Kuza not all accumulate. New ships will appear - there will be honey agarics. Do not appear, and there is nothing to spend money on show-off. I think we need to focus on preparing Russia for the emergence of new aircraft carriers. Create dry docks, bases, train crews, flight personnel. Kuznetsov is a good ship, but his century has passed.
                      2. The Siberian barber
                        The Siberian barber 12 December 2019 18: 34
                        0
                        Why did it pass?) This ship is capable of bringing many benefits to the country's defense. By the way, "Threads" are not able to fully reproduce the deck of the ship, only the dimensions).
                        Well, about money ... Enough of "optimizing"! What happens to this ship is the result of these "optimizations"
                3. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 12 December 2019 12: 46
                  +27
                  There is a name for these goodies! Sloppiness and lack of control!
                  1. zadorin1974
                    zadorin1974 12 December 2019 14: 29
                    +5
                    Yuri! Moreover, each of them has a specific title and surname !!!
                    1. lelik613
                      lelik613 12 December 2019 18: 46
                      +1
                      "This leg, the one who needs the leg ..."
                  2. The Siberian barber
                    The Siberian barber 12 December 2019 15: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    There is a name for these goodies! Sloppiness and lack of control!

                    good ..... and the irresponsibility generated by impunity.
                    "switchmen" don't count ..
                4. NordOst16
                  NordOst16 12 December 2019 16: 01
                  0
                  What are you, a reason for pride, that something that can drown, fall or burn out has not been extinct. Until it is gone
              2. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 12 December 2019 12: 25
                +3
                Quote: Stas157
                News one after another in a row. On Kuznetsovo the fire, in Nakhodka, the boat sank, and a helicopter crashed near Korenovsky ... It is ominously like that.

                C - Stability
                1. kjhg
                  kjhg 12 December 2019 12: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  C - Stability

                  Still stability or a breakthrough?
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 12 December 2019 20: 33
                    +3
                    Quote: kjhg
                    Quote: Vol4ara
                    C - Stability

                    Still stability or a breakthrough?

                    At first the sewerage broke .. everything spread out .. and stability began .. so nothing was tidied up .. but a new breakthrough is planned, with subsequent stability .. hi
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 21: 16
                      -6
                      Quote: Svarog
                      At first the sewerage broke .. everything spread out .. and stability began ..

                      In with Lehus, not by chance in the family? Coprophilia - it’s such a thing, transmitted by airborne droplets ... laughing
              3. Super
                Super 12 December 2019 12: 55
                -27
                It is possible that these are tricks of the liberals. I hope the President will deal with them.
                1. Artur Loginov
                  Artur Loginov 12 December 2019 13: 06
                  +14
                  Yes, what the hell liberals, the State Department 100% !!!
                  1. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 12 December 2019 13: 53
                    +12
                    Quote: Artur Loginov
                    Yes, what the hell liberals, the State Department 100% !!!

                    Jokers, your mother! am
                    There is no chela, but carbon monoxide will not wait ... Count ... -1 ..
                    The ship in the dock is handed over to the plant for repair work ... Again, the valiant ship repairmen threw the pig fleet ...
                    Now about the consequences. I don’t know about the units, but the cable lines will need to be changed - don’t go to the grandmother! And this is an extremely boring and ungrateful labor-intensive work. It’s good if the pieces are small, but if they are long ... You wash from compartment to compartment ...
                    Therefore - "banquet" at the expense of the hero of the occasion ... And the SRZ lives on budget handouts. Rarely does a merchant or a coaster get into the dock: the SF in a dense queue shoves his boats into it ... You can't push through ...
                    And so it turns out: naked "zrada"! Damage to the Navy (moral and material too), disruption of the ship docking schedule, and this affects the BS very much ... Poor Commander in Chief!
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 12 December 2019 14: 32
                      +3
                      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                      Damage to the Navy (moral and material, too), disruption of the ship docking schedule, and this affects the BS very much ... Poor Commander-in-Chief!

                      All of you correctly painted the friendship ... here you have a mess and a lack of professionals, and the consequences of all this, and the subsequent expediency of repairing as such, based on damage to the ship itself. And all this directly affects the country's defense capability and the implementation of the state order for the modernization and construction of ships in general.
                      At the same time, each branch on VO under similar articles turns into asking who writes according to the methodology manual, who no longer endures power, who himself as a radish person, etc. boys 13 years old, and in the defense industry.
                      1. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 12 December 2019 14: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        All of you correctly painted a friend.

                        Andrew, hi
                        This is clear without any remarks ... But when will this mess be over !? The New Year is just around the corner, and we can't get over the old one! Swine all around, "you understand" ... am
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 12 December 2019 14: 46
                        -1
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Andrew,
                        This is clear without any remarks ... But when will this mess be over !? The New Year is just around the corner, and we can't get over the old one! Swine all around, "you understand" ...

                        I wrote many times that the fleet is funded by RESIDUAL PRINCIPLE and you know that. The ground component, Strategic Missile Forces, VKS and so on are regularly provided with novim, but with the fleet some kind of, sorry, buttock disease has been around for many years. But in fairness, one must understand that the fleet is a very expensive pleasure for any country.
                        Now, with regards to the topic, the fire and Kuzi ... this ship, even standing in the repair dock, is not sickly eating state money. And I don’t take the cost of repair work, equipment and occupied space, which could be useful for other ships that are more repairable.
                        What am I doing ... maybe it’s time to tell myself that it’s good to do garbage, and start leaning on the construction of new frigates, corvettes and destroyers? After all, Kuzya, by God, it’s a pity and it’s uncomfortable to throw out a suitcase without a pen.
                      3. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 12 December 2019 16: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        After all, Kuzya, by God, it’s a pity and it’s uncomfortable to throw out a suitcase without a pen.

                        However, you will have to bear it. Otherwise, we will lose carrier aircraft. They say - let them train on NITK ... But this is the same as having sex with "rubber Zina" ...
                        And you need to restore it as quickly as possible ... On the way, a new technique, young flyers. They need to be put on the wing.
                        So, sorry, friend ... but I can’t agree with you. request
                      4. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 12 December 2019 16: 19
                        +2
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Otherwise, we lose aircraft carrier aircraft.

                        Forgive my friend, but we already lost it, as it’s not sad to admit to me. Well, we don’t have aircraft carrier. Those tears that are available, the language does not turn to be called an aircraft carrier group. Sorry for the bitter truth.
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        And you need to restore it as quickly as possible ..

                        Did the story of Nakhimov teach you anything? Suppose they restore quickly ... but quickly, so not everyone will eliminate, which will lead to new breakdowns and downtime. It won’t be fast and it won’t be good. And not because our specialists are bad ... our specialists are wonderful and the school didn’t disappear, but ... our funding and attitude towards the fleet has not changed for many decades. And it’s mediocre to say the least .
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        So, sorry, friend ... but I can’t agree with you.

                        Sasha, you can disagree with me, but as long as the attitude towards the fleet is the same as now, there can be no question of any revival of the combat power of the fleets of the Russian Federation. Look at what we are building, and what is decreasing in scrap metal and how much. Do you seriously think that this can be called a fleet upgrade?
                      5. servant.
                        servant. 12 December 2019 16: 59
                        +1
                        And what technique is on the way? Are there any contracts for new deck aircraft?
                      6. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 12 December 2019 17: 05
                        0
                        Quote: serviceman.
                        And what technique is on the way? Are there any contracts for new deck aircraft?

                        New VTOL aircraft are being developed for UDC and aircraft carriers. The terms of reference for the construction of 2 UDCs with a displacement of 15000 tons were issued. It seems that the MiG-35K is going to do ...
                      7. ver_
                        ver_ 15 December 2019 16: 26
                        -1
                        ... it seems like they were again interested in the 1984 project - the plane - a submarine ... I read the other day ... At one time, * youth equipment * was written .... Not otherwise Kuzya * got it * ...
                    2. globus
                      globus 12 December 2019 18: 32
                      -1
                      Read:
                      https://ria.ru/20191212/1562314986.html?in=t
                      And how five could not discern one, and is there any fault of the repairmen?
                2. New Year day
                  New Year day 12 December 2019 15: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: Super
                  It is possible that these are tricks of the liberals


                  What are you talking about? According to the regulations, when welding on a ship, a military inspector should be next to the welder.
                  As OSK reported, the spark hit the fuel oil
                  1. Grigory b
                    Grigory b 12 December 2019 20: 18
                    +3
                    There should be a senior one to ensure the safety of welding and near each welder a sailor with a fire hose, fire extinguisher and a bucket of water.
                    1. VeteranVSSSR
                      VeteranVSSSR 12 December 2019 23: 07
                      +2
                      and another safety briefing (on signature)
                      order / work order for welding work ....
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 13 December 2019 04: 22
                      -3
                      Quote: Grigory B
                      next to each welder is a sailor with a fire hose, fire extinguisher and a bucket of water.

                      Is this a mockery? Somehow he was repairing a pill, so fellow officers only did what they thumped. Well, they brought us very little ..
                    3. nickname7
                      nickname7 13 December 2019 19: 19
                      0
                      near each welder a sailor with a fire hose

                      So the spark fell down, then the sailors with fire extinguishers need to be placed on the lower decks, or they should be completely removed and flushed with flammable substances, or carbon dioxide should be filled in the entire volume, or welding equipment should be used without spark, otherwise the inspector should be put in and he must catch sparks with his hands so that did not get into diesel fuel?
                  2. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 12 December 2019 23: 22
                    +1
                    Sorry, but what kind of spark was it that could ignite fuel oil? belay
              4. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 12 December 2019 12: 58
                +5
                Quote: Stas157
                News one after another in a row. On Kuznetsovo the fire, in Nakhodka, the boat sank, and a helicopter crashed near Korenovsky ... It is ominously like that.

                "She drowned" (quote)
              5. NBV
                NBV 12 December 2019 14: 43
                0
                Or maybe "God opposes the proud"?
                Epistle of St. Ap Jacob 4: 6
              6. ver_
                ver_ 14 December 2019 08: 35
                -1
                ..never like that and here again ..
            2. Civil
              Civil 12 December 2019 13: 46
              +1
              Very disappointing for the only aircraft carrier. Even writing is inconvenient.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 12 December 2019 13: 19
            +3
            Quote: MoJloT
            And here in FIG dock?

            Despite the fact that the topic is one - a mess. Nobody cares, no one is responsible for anything.
          3. Moore
            Moore 12 December 2019 16: 52
            +4
            PD-50 despite the fact that the basis of both incidents is fierce irresponsibility.
        2. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 12 December 2019 11: 52
          +19
          Yeah ... Kuze is not lucky - Duck is not lucky !!! And what are the deadlines for completing repairs now?
          It is painful to read such articles ...
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 12 December 2019 12: 07
            +16
            Quote: Hunter 2
            And what are the deadlines for completing repairs now?

            It all depends on the construction of the dry dock and the damage that the aircraft-carrying cruiser regularly receives during repairs. Maybe in the 20s will go to sea. We do not have ship repair, as there really is no fleet and, all the more, defense capability. A little more show-offs, even more aplomb, much more scrap metal and a very small number of ships keeping afloat from the last forces.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 12 December 2019 16: 12
              +7
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              A little more show-offs, even more aplomb, much more scrap metal and a very small number of ships keeping afloat from the last forces.

              Well, our desires and opportunities have always come into dissonance. We don’t want to buy a goat, but we can’t. Just elementary to see the decline of old warships and the arrival of new ones, and many simply do not want to compare quantitatively these indicators.
              For example ... Gorshkov came, and how many Sarychev remained in service? Poor Atlantes are being driven both in the tail and in the mane, but there will be no replacement for them in the next 10 years, or even more. And the Atlppntam for a minute under 40 already. Fleet degradation on the face. The power of the fleets, in comparison with the USSR, for example, decreased not even several times, but ten times, and this is a fact. As an example, the number of different submarines in the days of the Union and now. Yes, someone will say that there were 15 republics, money, and so on ... but I'm sorry, the Union provided weapons and allied countries, and without fail equipping them with the most advanced weapons. And now even we will not fully provide ourselves with such weapons condition.
              As for money, then I'm sorry, I will express an seditious thought for this site, but there is money ... only they go wrong.
              1. nickname7
                nickname7 13 December 2019 19: 33
                +1
                The power of the fleets in comparison with the USSR, for example, decreased not even many times, but ten times

                Yes, now comes the realization of the industrial power of the union. But at the Yeltsin Center, readings were recently held where Russian professors read reports on the unprofitableness and backwardness of the Union's economy. Sounds like a mockery. But on TV they show cartoons about how the Russian Federation is strong, and the "king" turns out to be naked
            2. nickname7
              nickname7 13 December 2019 19: 23
              +1
              no fleet

              Well, the Navy, that is, as many as twenty megayachts, and heaps of smaller yachts.
          2. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 12 December 2019 12: 13
            +1
            hi
            Of course, I understand the resentment about this. But I suggest not to get excited. yes
            The existing reality is not ideal, therefore, such excesses are possible in it. As they say :
            "Everyone happens in war: whoever slaps - who does not ..." wink
          3. Voyager
            Voyager 12 December 2019 12: 18
            +15
            Responsible for repairs is very convenient. Now you don’t have to take the deadline referring to such emergency situations.
            The only trouble is that the real perpetrators will be as usual: they will sort it out properly and punish anyone horribly.
          4. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 12 December 2019 12: 19
            +12
            Yeah ... Kuze is not lucky - Duck is not lucky!


            Or maybe it’s not luck, but numbered sabotage of the modernization of the TAVKR and deversions?

            Here I recently came across an article about how the United States threw Ukraine into disposing of the Ulyanovsk nuclear-powered aircraft carrier with the help of one-day firms, although there were not many prospects for Ulyanovsk to be completed, but it was still reinsured.

            TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" is our only aircraft carrier, its loss is a loss of competence both in the construction and operation of carrier-based aircraft, these are lost decades. This is what the USA and even China would very much like.

            With such close attention to the Tavkr and the fire, and this after the accident with the dock ?!

            I would check who and what is doing there.
            1. ℳy ℒiƒℯ
              ℳy ℒiƒℯ 12 December 2019 12: 56
              -1
              Or maybe it’s not luck, but numbered sabotage of the modernization of the TAVKR and deversions?

              That would be the United States and even China would very much like.

              It's much easier. The loot was cut, now the traces are covered up through the "human factor".
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan 12 December 2019 13: 40
                -4
                It's much easier. The loot was cut, now the traces are covered up through the "human factor".


                Do not smack nonsense !!! At a shipyard, all accounting is monitored and verified. There the price tag from scratch can not be lifted at times in any way.
                1. Yegorchik
                  Yegorchik 12 December 2019 21: 27
                  -1
                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan


                  Do not smack nonsense !!! At a shipyard, all accounting is monitored and verified. There the price tag from scratch can not be lifted at times in any way.

                  Holy naivety. Well, or paid stupidity.
            2. Doctor
              Doctor 12 December 2019 15: 50
              0
              Or maybe it’s not luck, but numbered sabotage of the modernization of the TAVKR and deversions? I would check who and what is doing there.


              Not so incredible. Especially after the detention of the "pravosek" in Murmansk.
          5. Prisoner
            Prisoner 12 December 2019 13: 44
            +6
            Well, it's like someone. Judging by some posts, someone is happy. Although really a mess everywhere. There are fewer people who want to work, who want to earn more. The level of professionalism is rapidly rushing to the plinth. While they were thinking about the stomach, they forgot about the brains. what However, BYAD.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 12 December 2019 11: 48
        +9
        Quote: MoJloT
        It's Russia )

        You won’t believe it, but fires that have occurred during welding are a worldwide problem.
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 12 December 2019 11: 53
          +6
          You won’t believe it, but fires that have occurred during welding are a worldwide problem.
          Yes, that's right, one Cathedral of Notre Dame is worth something, but here the fire is only a link in the incessant "bad things")
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 12 December 2019 13: 15
            +1
            Quote: MoJloT
            You won’t believe it, but fires that have occurred during welding are a worldwide problem.
            Yeah right one Notre Dame Cathedral, but here the fire is only a link in the incessant "bad guys")

            ===
            today in Barcelona the plant is on fire
        2. Graf56
          Graf56 12 December 2019 12: 10
          +16
          Possible.
          But here it’s not the fire itself that is curious, but the chain of misadventures, which does not cease to pursue the unfortunate Kuzyu.
          Oh, I was not able to write novels! What literary material disappears!
          You can already make films about Kuzi’s heroic struggle with floating docks, cranes and your own planes. It’s a pity the combat path of the heroic aircraft carrier is not too long. For most of the time Kuzya stood in the repair, devouring folk money.
          1. krillon
            krillon 12 December 2019 12: 55
            0
            Offset! Who would have taken to write your words could be as an abstract. And the epilogue "he died but did not surrender."
            1. Valdaev
              Valdaev 12 December 2019 13: 47
              +4
              better poem: "Kuzma served as an aircraft carrier, Kuzma smoked at the wall"
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 12 December 2019 14: 18
            +4
            Quote: Graf56
            It’s a pity the combat path of the heroic aircraft carrier is not too long.

            But how many names I changed! Previous names in the order of assignment: “Soviet Union” (draft), “Riga” (laying and launching), “Leonid Brezhnev” (completion), “Tbilisi” (testing)) ....
            Who can withstand this !? So the fortune-karma works out for each "name". And you are still surprised!
            1. WIKI
              WIKI 12 December 2019 15: 17
              +5
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Previous names in the order of assignment: “Soviet Union” (draft)

              This is of course a bitter irony, but the “Soviet Union” does not want to serve the interests of capitalism. We see his fate like this.
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        4. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 12 December 2019 14: 03
          +7
          Quote: Gray Brother
          fires that occurred during welding are a worldwide problem.

          Piously fulfill the requirements for the organization of welding work - and you will be happy! Surely the temporary post of the fire department B / O was not deployed, everything was left to the mercy of Mityukha-vulgaris with an electrode holder in inept hands. Hence the result. Moreover, the holds were certainly not prepared for welding. Otherwise, where would the fuel and lubricants come from !? If they were cleaned out, but steamed as it should be! then there will be nothing to grieve ... And if you have an "oil storage" under the floorboards, then there is nothing to croak about fire safety ...
      3. Zhelezyakin
        Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 11: 56
        0
        Honestly, not funny already. To constantly hide behind such words is to belittle the dignity of our state, to forget the achievements of our designers, ingenious scientists and great generals! And our people are decent, no worse than neither Europeans, nor Americans or anyone else. Enough already, it's time for the mind to take up and move forward. We constantly nod at the leadership of the country, then at the bourgeoisie. We should start with ourselves ...
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 12 December 2019 11: 59
          +5
          Yes, and our people are worthy
          We are all full, and worthy, and everyone else ...
          1. Zhelezyakin
            Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 12: 00
            -1
            All of them are full, what prevents to increase concentration?)
            1. MoJloT
              MoJloT 12 December 2019 12: 08
              -2
              what prevents to increase concentration?
              There’s a saying: The country is waiting for heroes ...
              The question is how to reduce this concentration?)
              1. Zhelezyakin
                Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 12: 15
                -2
                As I wrote above, first you need to start with yourself, and then you look and it will go. I was taught at the institute one useful truth. This science and fashionable libers as a general line - "Criticizing - offer." They learned to cope with the first part with a bang! But further - the trouble! True, I think from the left liberties, they would then turn into another political direction.
                By the way, even in our hearts do we not sometimes suffer from liberalism?
                1. MoJloT
                  MoJloT 12 December 2019 12: 21
                  +1
                  As I wrote above, first you need to start with yourself
                  Hinting at your help in repairing an aircraft carrier?) Can you cook? There are 3 temporary vacancies.
                  1. Zhelezyakin
                    Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 12: 22
                    -2
                    Hinting at our love of criticizing everyone and everyone
                    1. MoJloT
                      MoJloT 12 December 2019 12: 23
                      -2
                      Hinting at our love of criticizing everyone and everyone
                      Is that about how you criticize me now?)
                      1. Zhelezyakin
                        Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 12: 34
                        +3
                        Where, excuse me, did I contact you directly, except specifically for this post? In my opinion, is there a difference between the answer to a thought expressed by someone and the direct appeal to a person in order to make him comments, no?
                  2. Charik
                    Charik 12 December 2019 13: 52
                    +1
                    You are you-wass with those who provide vacancies?
                    1. MoJloT
                      MoJloT 12 December 2019 13: 56
                      +1
                      You are you-wass with those who provide vacancies?
                      Yes
                      1. Charik
                        Charik 12 December 2019 13: 59
                        0
                        lucky, sorry far, although depending on what conditions, how to personally communicate?
                      2. MoJloT
                        MoJloT 12 December 2019 14: 01
                        -2
                        communicate in person?
                        Lichka is.
            2. AnderS
              AnderS 12 December 2019 14: 14
              0
              All of them are full, what prevents to increase concentration?)
              The lack of hubs interferes.
        2. Kronos
          Kronos 12 December 2019 12: 50
          +6
          Leadership sets the tone
      4. knn54
        knn54 12 December 2019 12: 00
        +2
        One gets the impression that the ship is being restored by the Ravshans and Jamshuts.
      5. Sharky
        Sharky 12 December 2019 12: 02
        +18
        This is a disregard for safety! Welding work has an increased risk. The place of welding is being prepared,
        all fuel and lubricants are removed, places with a risk for ignition are covered with fiberglass. Be sure to put up a fire watch in the person of additional people with a fire extinguishing system at the ready (water hose and fire extinguisher). Continuous inspection of adjacent compartments. After completing welding work for at least another 15 minutes, the fire watch is not removed. This is from the main points. For good, more pieces of paper need to be filled before and after (this will also help to cover your ass later, if that).
        Actually, if the fire has just begun, you can cover it with a hat, if time is lost, then we have what we have. request
        1. Charik
          Charik 12 December 2019 13: 56
          -6
          Do you think they didn’t observe this? It’s not for you to collect fences and doors
          1. Sharky
            Sharky 12 December 2019 14: 16
            +5
            Do you think they didn’t observe this? It’s not for you to collect fences and doors

            First, there is no need to "poke", thereby showing disrespect for the interlocutor.
            Secondly: if TB were respected, then nothing would have happened. There, all scenarios are taken into account. Do you think the aliens were set on fire?
            1. Charik
              Charik 12 December 2019 14: 23
              -1
              Still, a person who doesn’t like contacting you, it’s kind of friendly, then it’s not like this, will it do? Well, this rent can say that the sleepwalkers are guilty, there should be the same at Kuznetsov TB and at the nuclear power plant, but there are enough burdocks everywhere .
              1. Sharky
                Sharky 12 December 2019 17: 01
                0
                Yes, I do not like. I don’t know you and we are not friends after all. There will be an investigation, heads will fly, we will find out the details.
                1. VeteranVSSSR
                  VeteranVSSSR 12 December 2019 23: 17
                  0
                  Is there anyone who can sharpen the sword Zing / Zeng ??? or Jamshuda with
        2. VALERIK_097
          VALERIK_097 12 December 2019 14: 18
          +1
          Firstly, the asbestos cloth, and secondly, 1 hour after the closure of the fire support is at the place of the hot work. Documentary firing is made out on the eve of the work (under the signature of all the performers providing from the industry and the fleet. It happened, what happened. If only people do not suffered seriously, a lot of friends work at Kuznetsovo. Cells are out of the zone, info 0.
          1. VALERIK_097
            VALERIK_097 12 December 2019 14: 26
            0
            I usually order gas analysis in problem areas, but there’s a hold.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 12 December 2019 14: 52
              +4
              Quote: VALERIK_097
              I usually order gas analysis in problem areas, but there’s a hold.

              You do not confuse the sewer with a ship’s hold? lol For it is already clear that fuel vapors are present there ... yes
              During the production of welding works in tanks and closed rooms, a work permit is issued, where a mandatory condition is forced blow-in and exhaust ventilation of the compartment (tank), in addition to refractory mats, screens, etc. And the work is carried out by a couple of people, and the third from the top on the insurance ... But in terms of production, this is fucking shit. I myself have stopped such an outrage several times ... So, meanwhile, "how should it be" and the way it is actually sometimes there is not enough gasket from the engineering department ...
              A hard worker what? Give him a plan / shaft, otherwise ZP will not be! That humpback is sculpted in violation of TB and industrial safety ...
              AHA.
              1. VALERIK_097
                VALERIK_097 12 December 2019 22: 50
                0
                Yes, everything is correct, and the journal of applications for ventilation must be filled, otherwise the shot and the master before the fire, together with the representative of the fleet (БЧ-5, КДЖ as a rule) are inspected. On one of the orders, the 5th hold forced l / s The Fairies forbade them to wash fire for two weeks, in their 4th week (the hydravists pulled off) the PGV week was washed out of all the cracks, but I sleep peacefully.
        3. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 12 December 2019 23: 55
          +1
          After completing welding work for at least another 15 minutes, the fire watch is not removed.
          In Latvia, we have 4 hours after the completion of welding, the venue for these works remains under the supervision of a fire brigade composed of specially trained and instructed workers equipped with fire fighting and personal protective equipment. True, it is also not always satisfied. request .
      6. prior
        prior 12 December 2019 13: 00
        +2
        Well, that’s already outrageous gouging.
      7. Guillon
        Guillon 12 December 2019 13: 50
        +1
        Yes, how much you can step on the same rake!?! belay No.
      8. Sevastiec
        Sevastiec 12 December 2019 13: 58
        0
        And what does it mean? "This is Russia"? At other shipyards, nothing like this happens, for some reason. So, the point is in the specific slobs responsible for this particular ship, at this shipyard, dock, etc. As the saying goes: every state of emergency has a first and last name.
        1. Tor speetfire
          Tor speetfire 12 December 2019 16: 08
          -1
          But the morons are constantly mocking other countries and spitting contemptuously, and here the bang and the log in the eye!
      9. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 12 December 2019 18: 25
        +1
        Quote: MoJloT
        It's Russia )

        Song: "Hoh-ly burned the aircraft carrier,
        Overlooked the FSB,
        Where now to go to the soldier,
        To whom can I bear my sorrow? "
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 12 December 2019 11: 45
      -2
      Quote: Zhelezyakin
      Well, what a good thing !!!

      120 square meters is nonsense - these are three apartments "kopeck piece" by area, but this does not cancel the repair of course.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 12 December 2019 11: 48
        +21
        in the eneyotseke nonsense?
        And the three affected bullshit? these are three in addition to drowned during flooding of the floating dock. And this is just a repair, no fighting.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 12 December 2019 11: 51
          -1
          Quote: alexmach
          in the eneyotseke nonsense?

          Gene probably burned.
          Quote: alexmach
          And the three affected bullshit?

          Smoke breathed.
          Quote: alexmach
          And this is just a repair, no fighting.

          In one exceptional nation, the painter somehow burned a submarine, recently relatively - also not military operations.
          1. herev15
            herev15 12 December 2019 12: 33
            +1
            "One exceptional nation has a painter" laughing

            yes, they didn’t accept vocational schools in childhood
          2. AnderS
            AnderS 12 December 2019 14: 19
            +2
            In one exceptional nation, the painter somehow burned a submarine, recently relatively - also not military operations.
            Not tired of nodding at others, they say they still? Or is it you for complacency, like we are no worse than others? Don't you think this is a flawed position? In addition to a burnt boat, they have several dozen running around the seas, and we have only one aircraft carrier repairing, repairing, but still not being repaired ...
            1. ver_
              ver_ 14 December 2019 13: 15
              0
              ... so maybe that is the finger of God ..
          3. Tor speetfire
            Tor speetfire 12 December 2019 16: 10
            0
            Fools love to scream - we are a great Orthodox power! And when they nod to them in a mess, then they transfer the arrows to exceptional nations, they say look at them, too, it happens! Not tired ???
      2. Zhelezyakin
        Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 11: 49
        +15
        Yes, the point is not in the area, but in what is happening with the technology. We laugh at the failures of the Amers or the Britons, that either the elevator fails, the sea water enters the hold. And poor Kuzya, we can’t repair it in any way. The float dock sank, the fire on board, from a hike in tow ... It's commonplace, yes!
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 12 December 2019 11: 53
          -8
          Quote: Zhelezyakin
          And poor Kuzya, we can’t repair it in any way.

          You say so as if you were repairing it yourself.
          1. Zhelezyakin
            Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 11: 59
            +15
            Not with your own hands - yes! But I pay taxes, and it’s a shame for the state !!!
            In addition, I am a constructor, and am worried about the technology, albeit not having any relation to the development of this ...
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 12 December 2019 12: 07
              +2
              Quote: Zhelezyakin
              albeit not having a relation to the development of this ...

              Well, you should at least know about the wear and tear of the equipment, "Kuznetsov" in the 90s remained without a berth and, in fact, spent ten years on the autonomous system, hence the permanent repairs, the whole energy sector is probably kapets there.
              1. Zhelezyakin
                Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 12: 10
                +5
                Sergey,
                Quote: Gray Brother
                Well, you should know at least about the wear of equipment
                unconditionally. Every day I come across this. Yes, the article is not about fire resulting from wear and tear ...
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 12 December 2019 12: 12
                  -4
                  Quote: Zhelezyakin
                  Yes, the article is not about fire resulting from wear and tear ...

                  Once the solarium caught fire, then it flowed.
                  1. Zhelezyakin
                    Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 12: 20
                    +7
                    Here is such a wretch! What did it spread in the wrong place, but splashed ?! Hto gave her that right ?!
                    1. Gray brother
                      Gray brother 12 December 2019 12: 21
                      -1
                      Quote: Zhelezyakin
                      What did it spread in the wrong place, but splashed ?! Hto gave her that right ?!

                      Depreciation of communications, or some kind of gasket.
                      1. Zhelezyakin
                        Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 12: 25
                        +6
                        Of course, I can understand everything, but this is not natural gas from a newly discovered field that cannot be noticed. There is a smell of a solarium and the person conducting / controlling the construction work could not help but pay attention to it.
                      2. Gray brother
                        Gray brother 12 December 2019 12: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: Zhelezyakin
                        . There is a smell of a solarium and the person conducting / controlling the construction work could not help but pay attention to it.

                        Yes, there over the years everything stank of anyone, you can and of course turn.
                      3. valeryb
                        valeryb 12 December 2019 21: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        Deterioration of communications,
                        How long did he work there? It seems more propped up the wall.
                      4. Gray brother
                        Gray brother 13 December 2019 08: 36
                        0
                        Quote: valeryb
                        It seems more propped up the wall.

                        Without connecting communications from the shore. I, in this century, first read that Kuzi now has a pier, in 2017. And he left without his own pier in 1996.
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 12 December 2019 12: 16
            +2
            Quote: Gray Brother
            You say so as if you were repairing it yourself.

            And you so ulcerate, as if tomorrow he already repaired comes out of the dock ... belay
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 12 December 2019 12: 18
              -2
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And you so ulcerate, as if tomorrow he already repaired comes out of the dock ...

              But I am not writing as if the estimate for the repair work is on my desk.
              1. Zhelezyakin
                Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 12: 26
                0
                If it’s not a secret, where do you work, the deductions made in the form of taxes and other things are paid to the treasury?
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 12 December 2019 12: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Zhelezyakin
                  If it `s not a secret

                  Of course the secret laughing I gave a loyalty subscription, and so they pay, of course.
                  1. Zhelezyakin
                    Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 12: 37
                    +1
                    Well then, you must understand my point of view (it is not necessary to accept it) ...
                    1. Gray brother
                      Gray brother 12 December 2019 12: 43
                      -2
                      Quote: Zhelezyakin
                      Well then you must understand my point of view

                      They accept not the point of view, but the budget for the next year. Including defense and all financial movers take place within its framework, somewhere they cut, somewhere they cut it, but all this happens within the framework of the total amount already ALREADY allocated last year.
                      I don’t understand why it bothers you so much - this money doesn’t concern you at all.
              2. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 12 December 2019 12: 31
                -1
                Quote: Gray Brother
                But I do not write as if the estimate for the repair work

                But, for that ... for this ... Is there something about the fact of the fire and the timing of the repair? No?
                No and no trial ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 12: 48
                  -9
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Is there something about the fire and the timing of repairs? No?

                  It is believed that 4 pre - it (you) is not enough. laughing
                  1. kjhg
                    kjhg 12 December 2019 13: 02
                    +4
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    It is believed that 4 pred - this (you) is not enough

                    Golovan, but how many warnings do I have?
        2. Tor speetfire
          Tor speetfire 12 December 2019 16: 11
          0
          You said everything correctly !!! Great Russia is not something to build, the old aircraft carrier cannot repair; But they mock the USA and England!
      3. MoJloT
        MoJloT 12 December 2019 11: 49
        +5
        120 squares is nonsense - these are three kopeck piece apartments
        And how many dvues are there in an aircraft carrier? lol
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 12 December 2019 11: 52
          +4
          Quote: MoJloT
          And how many dvues are there in an aircraft carrier?

          And what is his deck area? I won’t count without it.
      4. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 12 December 2019 12: 15
        +6
        Quote: Gray Brother
        120 squares

        Already 600 squares .....
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 12 December 2019 12: 25
          +2
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Already 600 squares .....

          Even a lot, this is the area of ​​smoke most likely. I watched a video on the TASS website - it looks like everything is burning on such an area.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 12 December 2019 13: 26
            +3
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Even a lot

            On RBK, "creeping line" ... Now they said: The fire is localized!
    3. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 12 December 2019 12: 04
      +5
      As a result, the repair of "Kuzyu" will completely finish. Can I give it to the Chinese for repairs? So maybe it will be more whole? Otherwise we are like a "monkey and glasses" with this steamer ...
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 12 December 2019 13: 10
        +6
        Quote: x.andvlad
        Can give in repair to the Chinese? So maybe it will be more whole?

        For this year, which has passed since the flood of the PD-50, the Chinese would have definitely restored and repaired it. Their competence is already greater than ours. And you won’t get sick with cuts there. So it would be cheaper. Only one problem - it’s a shame for the country. Therefore, it will be sawed rather than asked to repair the Chinese
      2. Zhelezyakin
        Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 16: 38
        +1
        It’s not a big deal to give, it will be difficult to return back))) And how long will it work then? I'm afraid that Kuzi’s misadventures will not stop, but will only triple ...
    4. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 12 December 2019 12: 11
      +1
      The question of its appropriateness was already hanging in the air, especially after the flooding of the dock, and now it will probably be completely beaten.
    5. Alien From
      Alien From 12 December 2019 12: 26
      +2
      What other sign from above is needed to understand ......... ????
      1. Zhelezyakin
        Zhelezyakin 12 December 2019 16: 39
        +1
        Apparently, Kuza needs to sink near the Mariana Trench.
    6. Spambox
      Spambox 12 December 2019 12: 34
      +10
      What they can think of to bury Kuznetsov. It was not possible to drown in the dock, so now they decided to burn it. I'm afraid he will not survive such a "repair".
    7. Piramidon
      Piramidon 12 December 2019 13: 30
      +4
      Quote: Zhelezyakin
      Well, what a good thing !!!

      The easiest way to write off everything is "bad" (otherworldly forces, karma, disfavor of the gods ...). But every "bad guy" has names and surnames.
    8. 7gor
      7gor 12 December 2019 14: 23
      -3
      Write off the sorrow of the ship, and that’s all! We practically do not need
    9. senima56
      senima56 12 December 2019 15: 44
      0
      Hmm .... "Unlucky" is a boat! soldier
    10. Tor speetfire
      Tor speetfire 12 December 2019 16: 07
      -1
      Uniform mess!
  2. Livonetc
    Livonetc 12 December 2019 11: 43
    +8
    No words ...
    Censored.
    1. cost
      cost 12 December 2019 12: 05
      +9
      Interfax:
  3. KrolikZanuda
    KrolikZanuda 12 December 2019 11: 46
    +1
    Still to the right in time.
  4. Labrador
    Labrador 12 December 2019 11: 46
    +6
    To the stake !!!
    All this looks like sabotage and sabotage.
    Bullied already!
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 12 December 2019 11: 49
      +35
      No. This looks like a completely destroyed production culture and the complete degradation of production forces. And this is worse than sabotage.
      1. Labrador
        Labrador 12 December 2019 11: 54
        +6
        Yes, I understand that it’s rather the fruits of devastation ... But this is already over the edge!
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 12 December 2019 12: 12
          +8
          Quote: Labrador
          Yes, I understand that it’s rather the fruits of devastation ...

          Exactly!
          They took it with a plow, and returned ... stop It was another ruler ...
          They took with the atomic bomb, the red flag and the anthem of the Soviet Union, there was still a fleet, the station of the ISS, free health care, agriculture, heavy industry, schools, vocational schools ... But they are not going to return ... Either they’re not finding the bomb maybe they haven’t reached the plow yet, although the state flag and anthem ... laughing
          1. bk316
            bk316 12 December 2019 12: 47
            +1
            They took with the atomic bomb, the red flag and the anthem of the Soviet Union, there was still a fleet, the station of the ISS, free health care, agriculture, heavy industry, schools, vocational schools ..

            THESE that took already worms ate.
          2. Vadim02rus
            Vadim02rus 12 December 2019 13: 47
            -6
            There was no agriculture in the USSR. At least later, all the "collective farmers" fled to the cities.
            1. nickname7
              nickname7 13 December 2019 20: 08
              0
              There was no agriculture in the USSR.

              And the aliens imported bread and milk, among other things, without palm oil?
              1. Vadim02rus
                Vadim02rus 14 December 2019 18: 38
                -1
                This milk after lunch in the store was no longer found. Katyk could remain for some week. Why does a worker need milk after work, right? And after the sausage, my grandmother and I went to the store at 5 in the morning, and then, if we deigned to bring it, she collected all the grandchildren, because the extradition rate was in one hand. The store was jammed, not everyone was missing. I’m silent about the blue chickens that you don’t cook - you’ll chew horseradish. And by the way in the USSR they bought bread (grain) over the hill, for currency. Because its grain was of such quality that you couldn’t keep bread from it, cattle still didn’t go to feed. This is only a small fraction, without going deep so to speak.
          3. www3
            www3 14 December 2019 00: 43
            0
            and what will happen when entu bonbu will be found, but if they also try to neutralize it))
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 12 December 2019 11: 56
        +9
        Moreover, "thanks" to the news about the submerged submarine, the opinion is created that slovenliness is becoming widespread.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 12 December 2019 12: 07
          +9
          In my opinion this is no sloppiness. This is noticeably worse. This is a systemic problem that will only get worse.
          1. Tor speetfire
            Tor speetfire 12 December 2019 16: 13
            0
            You are right, this is the system and its creator now rule Russia! It will only get worse!
      3. bk316
        bk316 12 December 2019 12: 03
        -8
        This looks like a completely destroyed production culture and the complete degradation of production forces.

        Give up already go?
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 12 December 2019 12: 05
          +19
          Give up already go?

          No, uncover the cap.
          1. bk316
            bk316 12 December 2019 12: 19
            -7
            No, uncover the cap.

            In the US Congress, the issue of resuming the production of F-22 fighters was raised twice, which at the moment I hope you will not argue are the pinnacle of American aircraft construction. Both times the commission came to the conclusion that the resumption of production will require so much money that the budget cannot afford it. If you remember about the triangle money and time complexity, then this really means the United States said "WE ARE NOT TECHNICALLY IN THE CONDITION TO RESTORE THE F-22 PRODUCTION"
            Do not want to write:
            This looks like a completely destroyed production culture and the complete degradation of production forces.


            Do you know what I mean? Moreover, the quote I quoted from your comment is NOT an analysis of the situation, but a propaganda slogan.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 12 December 2019 12: 32
              +6
              Moreover, the quote I quoted from your comment is NOT an analysis of the situation, but a propaganda slogan.

              Are you ready to provide a more detailed analysis of the situation in the commentary? Well, please.
              No, this is not a slogan, it is the result of analysis, the information that is available to me.
              "WE ARE NOT TECHNICALLY IN STATE TO RESTORE F-22 PRODUCTION"

              At the same time, they plan to purchase 2000 F-35s. Which are technically capable of producing. No, I do not want to apply my quote to this case. It’s one thing to do something when it’s not advisable and quite another when it is impossible to do it .. or in theory it’s possible but in practice it doesn’t work out.
              1. bk316
                bk316 12 December 2019 12: 46
                -9
                Which are technically capable of producing.

                Only even they recognize that they need the F-22 as a plane of excellence, and the F-35 is not suitable for this. IN THIS WAY, SPEECH IS NOT ABOUT THE EXPEDIENCY AND ABOUT PRACTICAL DISABILITIES
                At the same time, they plan to purchase 2000 F-35s.

                And this is irrelevant, we also rivet with hundreds of s-400.
                So back to the question.
                Do not want to write:
                This looks like a completely destroyed production culture and the complete degradation of production forces.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 12 December 2019 16: 40
                  +1
                  Only even they recognize that they need the F-22 as a plane of excellence, and the F-35 is not suitable for this.

                  No, not at all. in fact, the F-22 is slowly becoming obsolete. They will need a new plane. Something like the hybrid 22-35 that was offered by Japan. With the F-22 we are talking about expediency and nothing else.
                  And this is irrelevant, we are the same with hundreds of s-400 rivets

                  Of course not to relate, as well as the fact that Russia even the RTOs can no longer build at a normal pace .. yeah.
                  Do not want to write

                  no I do not want to. You took one phrase out of context and contrasted it with a whole series of real catastrophes and incidents.
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 12 December 2019 15: 02
              +4
              Quote: bk316
              Do you know what I mean?

              Sir, does it not seem to you that "shoeing a flea" and sweeping the yard are two different things, as they once said in Odessa!
              You can not compare technology 5 industrial structure and the 3rd !!!
              But!
              1. bk316
                bk316 12 December 2019 15: 29
                -4
                You can not compare technology 5 industrial structure and the 3rd !!!

                Did I compare?
                The word "degradation" is not about the meaning of the development function, it is about its change.
                Well, yes, the United States rolled back from the level of a good fifth-generation aircraft (by the way, the F-22 has nothing to do with the fifth way), and we just reached it. But they have degraded, haven't they?
                And tovarisch Alexander does global findings about degradation from a special case non-compliance with TB. Well, since I am against double standards, let him draw the same conclusion from the special case of the F-22.

                After all, I can still give many examples, and by the way similar to the one being discussed too. You know, back in the days of the USSR, they got statements about how well everyone is doing in the West and how clumsy we have (cars, clothes, electronics, furniture), and what is characteristic is that the authorities were also blamed for this, only then communist.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 12 December 2019 16: 46
                  +2
                  And comrade Alexander draws global conclusions about degradation from a particular case of non-compliance with TB

                  Is this a solitary case then? And tell me, comrade? Have you forgotten about the drowned dock a year ago? About ships built for decades? About the epic with almost any engine?

                  You know, back in the days of the USSR, they got statements about how well they do everything in the West and how clumsy we

                  By the way, I note about the West did not say a word, it was you who began to nod to them. I just do the same with the USSR-ovsky times. Ambitions emanating straight from there stumble into the possibilities of modern Russia. Fairly impoverished opportunities must be said.

                  auto, clothes, electronics, furniture

                  And tell me that it was not so? The Soviet Union objectively lagged behind in the production of consumer goods, even Soviet leaders recognized this, and obviously at that time that was all.
                  1. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 13 December 2019 00: 21
                    +2
                    It is not surprising to lag behind after going through three terrible wars, but under the great USSR they rose by the middle of the 80s. began, however, to catch up in the field of consumer goods as well. Not everything was good, but it was not hopeless either! In 89-90 I worked at the production association "Alpha" in Gulbene, at the transistor section, serviced and repaired industrial robots equipped with technical "vision", made in the USSR. True, not all of the details were Soviet, but most. Eh, Union, Union ... I still miss it.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 13 December 2019 00: 27
                      0
                      It’s not surprising to be left behind after going through three terrible wars

                      And before these three wars that were in parity or what?
                      industrial robots equipped with technical "vision", made in the USSR

                      And who would build these industrial robots now? This is despite the fact that the element base is many times more perfect and affordable. Development tools are much better.
                      1. sharp-lad
                        sharp-lad 13 December 2019 00: 41
                        0
                        And before these three wars that were in parity or what?
                        It's about the Union.
                        And who would build these industrial robots now? This is despite the fact that the element base is many times more perfect and affordable. Development tools are much better.
                        Engineers that are, and which, I hope, will be. hi
        2. icant007
          icant007 12 December 2019 12: 33
          -2
          It's too early) You can jump a bit
        3. Tor speetfire
          Tor speetfire 12 December 2019 16: 13
          0
          No, stock up on popcorn and look further.
      4. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 12 December 2019 12: 10
        +9
        But in Russia the number of dollar billionaires has increased, that's what the government is doing.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 12 December 2019 12: 15
          +7
          Quote: Alexey from Perm
          But in Russia the number of dollar billionaires has increased, that's what the government is doing.

          Moreover, they, dollar billionaires, in principle, are not interested in protecting the Russian Federation, they all have 2nd citizenship and most of them already live abroad, so in the event of a war they won’t even have to blame them. Russia for them is the earning of money, thanks to the bonds bought by officials, holey laws. What can I say when even in the government sit the same disinterested persons with 2 citizenship.
          1. Alexey from Perm
            Alexey from Perm 12 December 2019 12: 23
            +4
            This is because our government is bourgeois and fulfills the interests of the oligarchs, and they don’t give a damn about the fleet
      5. From Siberia we
        From Siberia we 12 December 2019 13: 37
        +2
        Quote: alexmach
        This looks like a completely destroyed production culture and the complete degradation of production forces.

        This is a degradation of the fleet. Only the BS-5 commander PERSONALLY gives permission for explosive work.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 12 December 2019 15: 29
          +2
          Quote: From Siberia we
          Only the BS-5 commander PERSONALLY gives permission for explosive work.

          The namesake, in TAVKRE, in addition to the military unit БЧ-5, there is also a commander J, a bunch of groupmen and no less than a bunch of warrant officers who are obliged to check the readiness of places for welding work ... And to control their production ...
          But with this, for sure, there were problems ...
          1. From Siberia we
            From Siberia we 12 December 2019 15: 43
            +1
            Yes, on any ship of the 1st rank there are enough of these division commanders. But there is (Was RBZH NK) now ROZH NK where it is written in black and white - Duty BCH-5 - prepares the place of work. The duty officer at the bottom - Checks. The commander of BCH-5 PERSONALLY examines and gives permission. The ship duty officer examines and gives permission to perform work. And there MUST be a watch in adjoining rooms. Where defense lines are created in advance. And there must be a support for the VPB in the compartment. So nothing was. All are delivered by cancer. The plant takes a pose: "You have to ensure the work, no good - you are disrupting the deadlines" And as a rule there are no sleeves, the mains are dismantled, the VVD cylinders are removed, the systems are de-energized. IPs, like the remote control, have served their deadlines and either do not work or have been handed over. And the RP, one per individual entrepreneur, and only for display to the inspectors. And if, at this time, the repair of heavy doors, ventilation shafts, then there is no sealing there. The plant put up three AEFIs and that's it. And you can't power the fire line on the "shore". The cables do not support the load. You can go on board this way exactly the compartment where the serviceable EDC is on fire. There was a case in practice when the storehouse of the AP property caught fire. It was absurd, but it burned exactly where there was something to be extinguished with.
    2. kepmor
      kepmor 12 December 2019 12: 51
      +2
      what the hell with dog sabotage with sabotage ...
      indifference and lack of care in the fleet are not eradicated ... it is akin to raising the flag, the admiral’s hour and breaking the flasks ... centuries-old traditions ...
    3. Tsoy
      Tsoy 12 December 2019 13: 23
      0
      Quote: Labrador
      All this looks like sabotage and sabotage.


      This is not sabotage. It drank.
  5. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 12 December 2019 11: 47
    +3
    There are no words - some expressions .... At this pace it can be repaired / modernized for decades (((There is already at the time to believe in the curse pursuing our only aircraft carrier, then one, then the other recourse
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 December 2019 12: 22
      0
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      There are no words - some expressions .... At this pace it can be repaired / modernized for decades (((There is already at the time to believe in the curse pursuing our only aircraft carrier, then one, then the other

      Why are you so pessimistic, "Ship repair is a condition, and it cannot be finished, it can only be stopped" is the formula for ship repair.
  6. musorg
    musorg 12 December 2019 11: 48
    0
    And what can you do about fires? They are already taking a turn.
  7. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 12 December 2019 11: 49
    +6
    USC sets fire to the ship, and then requires money to repair it ....
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 12 December 2019 12: 20
      +11
      Quote: Valery Valery
      USC sets fire to the ship, and then requires money to repair it ....

      How strange it turns out, don’t you find, according to the hat-patriots of VO, when the Americans saw the budget, they build aircraft carriers and other ships, and when we saw the budget, they burn them, drown them
  8. awdrgy
    awdrgy 12 December 2019 11: 51
    +4
    Obviously, professional welders are becoming less (
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 December 2019 12: 07
      -2
      Quote: awdrgy
      Obviously professional less welders

      Yes, welders are a real deal. Here if the number of "aircraft carriers" did not decrease ... belay
      1. icant007
        icant007 12 December 2019 12: 31
        +7
        Well do not tell. A good welder is now a problem.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 12 December 2019 12: 33
          +1
          Quote: icant007
          Well do not tell. A good welder is now a problem.

          I know one, but he has a mortgage and a wife in a kindergarten ...
        2. awdrgy
          awdrgy 12 December 2019 12: 44
          -1
          I remember the time of years (13-14 years ago) when they paid a penny and we had to work on the next sharash-assembly, I put and welded the spore-welded glass onto a metal workbench so that you won’t tear it off without breaking. Where are those guys now? (
    2. A.K.
      A.K. 12 December 2019 12: 12
      +3
      This is not the welder's fault, but the one who sent him there to work in such conditions. Everywhere such a mess. Security is not respected anywhere that the mines explode then fires on ships and shopping centers and everyone without any changes right now they are outraged to carry out checks and everything will remain as it was at random the main saving and people are only thought about when they die.
    3. kepmor
      kepmor 12 December 2019 12: 29
      +6
      Yes, it’s not the welders, but the organization of the hot work on the ship ...
      maybe the site of the fire works was poorly prepared and in adjacent rooms ... maybe the watchmen on fire safety overslept the moment of fire ... maybe, apart from water and rags, there wasn’t enough fire extinguishing equipment to immediately eliminate the fire ... enough reasons ...
      1. icant007
        icant007 12 December 2019 13: 36
        +3
        Yes, the reason is now the same everywhere. Total lack of professionalism in all areas of life. But if even on unique ships they cannot ensure the safety of work, where the boss is on the boss and the boss is driving, then what can we say about other areas of work.
        When the hard workers climb together in three together in the sewer, and there all three die in the same friendly way.
        What is it? Mass stupor? How to explain it rationally ...
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 13 December 2019 00: 30
          +1
          The more bosses, the less order and rationality. hi
  9. UVB
    UVB 12 December 2019 11: 54
    +2
    Video of a steaming ship
  10. Sayeret Matkal
    Sayeret Matkal 12 December 2019 11: 54
    +10
    I especially like to watch the Kremlin media, which at first dubbed the fire a "fire" (like flooding, cotton, incident, etc.) and how the information about the area of ​​the fire gradually grew, first a fire in the compartment, then 20 m2, then the whole section was engulfed in fire, now (at 11-53 in Moscow) 600 m2
    amusingly
    also the disaster with Chernobyl or Kursk was covered laughing laughing
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  11. bars1
    bars1 12 December 2019 11: 56
    +17
    And laugh at the Ukrainians ...
  12. Errr
    Errr 12 December 2019 11: 58
    +2
    And not Friday and not the thirteenth ... what
    1. Last centurion
      Last centurion 12 December 2019 12: 43
      +3
      13th tomorrow. think sinking? 600 sq. m fire is like a missile hit
      1. Errr
        Errr 12 December 2019 16: 31
        0
        Quote: Last centurion
        600 sq. m fire is like a missile hit
        Fire cannot send him to the bottom of the sea. A fire is not a rocket. And one missile of such a giant will never ditch, at least with a conventional warhead - under no circumstances. As the saying goes: "Seven feet" to Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov "under the keel for another long summer".)
  13. Mouse
    Mouse 12 December 2019 11: 58
    +3
    eternal Russian "maybe" ???? recourse
  14. Strashila
    Strashila 12 December 2019 11: 59
    +2
    Everything as usual. All instructions are written in blood, I didn’t ride another chance during the repair work.
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  16. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 December 2019 12: 01
    -4
    The causes of the fire are not reliably known; it is assumed that the fire could have occurred due to safety violations during welding.
    Whoever was involved in the ship repair knows that no repair is complete without it. For six months of repair, you burn twice. So there is nothing to write "useless", get down to business.
  17. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 December 2019 12: 02
    -5
    Earlier, the head of USC Alexei Rakhmanov said that the cruiser will need additional repairs. This became clear after the ship was defective.

    How not to remember here:
    - Ah, Kuzya, look!
    Oh, and when I said at the lesson that there are buns growing on a bread tree, everyone laughed, even ... even slashed a deuce, y!
    “They always suffer for the truth!”

    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 12: 11
      -4
      Well, the fact that you love and value yourself very much is well known.

      But the number of days before the day before (4) is useful, valuable information laughing

      I’ll tell you a secret - besides you and the administration, no one else sees this number. Continue in the same spirit yes
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 12 December 2019 12: 28
        +4
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Well, the fact that you love and value yourself very much is well known.

        I love objectivity, and your opinion - the opinion of a leavened patriot - is not interesting to me.
        The number of warnings is for my love of jargon. I try not to repeat.
        You cannot convince me with the facts - that’s why you get mad.
        And it offends me that people continue to believe the vile liars and cynics.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 13: 04
          -5
          Quote: ROSS 42
          You can’t convince me with facts - that’s it

          I'm not mad, you are absolutely uninteresting to me. As for the "facts" - with your rich inner world you do not perceive facts that are against the coat. Well, and what's the point of wasting energy on you, convincingly?

          Quote: ROSS 42
          I love objectivity

          I repeat - you love only the fact that you are stroking the wool. And yet - really love yourself, the most beautiful, smart ... well, and further on the list.

          Quote: ROSS 42
          your opinion is the opinion of a fermenting patriot

          Do not use words whose meanings you do not know. Buddy laughing

          Quote: ROSS 42
          Try not to repeat

          So try yes
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 12 December 2019 20: 44
          +3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And it offends me that people continue to believe the vile liars and cynics.

          And where did you get the idea that they believe Golovan? He's all in the minuses .. At the same time, he himself with his team constantly arranges "persecutions" especially against newcomers who do not shout hurray, thus normal commentators survive from the site .. Ordinary trolls, but every year they look more and more stupid against the background situation in the country .. hi
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 20: 50
            -2
            Quote: Svarog
            Ordinary trolls

            "Svarog", the main troll on the site (which is with the manual) is exactly you. I'm not there near sit down stood. yes

            "Svarog", aka "Underwater Hunter", aka Manka Bond ... laughing



            Don't take seriously people seriously - I don’t know how, call request

            Timur, damn it ... and his team yes
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    2. TARS_LOL
      TARS_LOL 13 December 2019 00: 32
      0
      5 days ago wrote
  18. A.K.
    A.K. 12 December 2019 12: 05
    +1
    Failure to comply with safety precautions is something we can’t eradicate. Well, just a shame already. And the welder Vasya will be guilty.
  19. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 12 December 2019 12: 08
    -1
    Repair on a warship, students from vocational schools or something, or Ravshan with Dzhumshut))) Did not hear about safety precautions?
  20. Klingon
    Klingon 12 December 2019 12: 09
    -5
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Yeah ... Kuze is not lucky - Duck is not lucky !!! And what are the deadlines for completing repairs now?
    It is painful to read such articles ...

    it will be cheaper to write off while it is being repaired by a bunch of such incidents. Again, some negligence will come out. It's Russia. I remember the A-60 burned down when aviation equipment was drained from it to be sold later.
    1. SNEAKY
      SNEAKY 12 December 2019 12: 36
      +1
      hi Not all of this is ridiculous, of course, but all the same! The most fun of the latest incidents is the launch of a rocket by fighters in the hangar. Full tin. The main thing is without victims ... like.
      In general, the reason for all this is the glorified "As they pay, so I work" And so in all spheres of life.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 12 December 2019 15: 46
        +3
        Quote: SNEAKY
        The main thing is all without victims ... like.

        Six in intensive care. One in an extremely serious condition ... It all depends on the doctors and the availability of artificial respiration devices, again hemodialysis ....
        May God grant the fighters health, and good luck to the doctors!
    2. Klingon
      Klingon 12 December 2019 16: 47
      0
      so what the wack? you can minus me do not care wassat , and the fact that no one likes the truth. it means that you yourself also work negligently
  21. rocket757
    rocket757 12 December 2019 12: 09
    +2
    it is assumed that a fire could have occurred due to a breach of safety during welding.

    I hear such a description of the incident STRANGE and OPPOSITE at the same time !!!
    Nothing more to say, i.e. NO WORDS, but phrases are different, epic .... I think everyone knows himself.
  22. Karaul73
    Karaul73 12 December 2019 12: 10
    +1
    Long-suffering "Kuzya"!
    Safety written in blood. But many forget about it.
  23. evgenii67
    evgenii67 12 December 2019 12: 13
    +2
    Yes, leave Kuzya alone, drive him to Peter and make him a museum + shopping center with cafes, restaurants and cinemas.
  24. shoroh
    shoroh 12 December 2019 12: 14
    -1
    Set fire to sabotage. Guilty to the wall, those who did not ensure the safety of the facility in prison. Apparently, someone really does not want our aircraft carrier to enter service. The purpose of the events is linked.
    1. icant007
      icant007 12 December 2019 12: 29
      0
      It is no coincidence that a terrorist from the "Right Sector" was caught in Murmansk the day before. You can see it)))
    2. Olfred
      Olfred 12 December 2019 13: 47
      +2
      Guilty to the wall

      I'm sorry, but when was the last time you saw this? In our country, pests sit in power, at least someone was attracted from them (I won’t name them, and everyone knows that).
      It is time to return article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR ... hi
  25. Sitearvi
    Sitearvi 12 December 2019 12: 15
    +5
    Lead to write-off, gobbled up the money, they say recovery is not advisable.
    1. Corn
      Corn 12 December 2019 12: 44
      -8
      recovery is not advisable
      Restoring the problematic, without normal armament, the old aircraft carrier was initially not advisable.
      Write off
      And they’ll do it right, it was high time to cross out from the combat strength of the fleet.
      1. Sitearvi
        Sitearvi 12 December 2019 13: 03
        -3
        It would be wrong to simply withdraw from the fleet, and since the state spent a bunch of dough, which they drank, now you can safely write off.
  26. mag nit
    mag nit 12 December 2019 12: 15
    -2
    Near the cruiser "Aurora" he would have been more intact.
    1. Corn
      Corn 12 December 2019 12: 46
      -7
      Why not remember ...
  27. tlauicol
    tlauicol 12 December 2019 12: 15
    +3
    Kuzi is stable as always. Stably bad
  28. solovald
    solovald 12 December 2019 12: 21
    +1
    It seems that they want to get rid of Kuzi ...
    1. 1Alexey
      1Alexey 12 December 2019 13: 46
      -2
      Quote: solovald
      It seems that they want to get rid of Kuzi ...

      Yes, it is very likely that our "partners" were able to find among our workers, colleagues.

      It seems to me that a very serious discussion is needed with the FSB and military counterintelligence officers.
  29. arnulla
    arnulla 12 December 2019 12: 21
    +3
    The mess in the country goes on increasing
  30. arkadiyssk
    arkadiyssk 12 December 2019 12: 23
    +3
    Quote: Gray Brother

    In one exceptional nation, the painter somehow burned a submarine, recently relatively - also not military operations.

    In 2014, the Elk painter heaped up $ 700 million. The Miami nuclear submarines were eventually decommissioned.
  31. donavi49
    donavi49 12 December 2019 12: 24
    +11
    At the moment, already 600 meters.
    The area of ​​fire on the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" has grown to 600 square meters
    Firefighters cannot extinguish a fire in one of the aircraft carrier's compartments. Due to the strong smoke, it is not possible to get inside. Now rescuers are preparing a so-called "foam attack" - that is, they are going to completely fill the burning room with a special composition.


    Problems actually 2:
    1) If it burns for a long time, then Kerch 2 - for the degradation of power structures = death will go.
    2) If the founder burns out, compartment by compartment - then the repair will go very far. Plus another question, how empty the machine burns. If the boilers / generators burn out = then it will take years if you wish to complete the full cycle of piece products at the factory again.
  32. New Year day
    New Year day 12 December 2019 12: 31
    +5
    bad luck with "Kuznetsov", trouble came - open the gate
  33. alekSASHKA-36
    alekSASHKA-36 12 December 2019 12: 33
    +5
    A star has come to the last aircraft carrier!
  34. Last centurion
    Last centurion 12 December 2019 12: 37
    +2
    I think a good story for a fantastic book about a ship that required sailing (airplanes, docks, now missing) to sail. the idea is free - contact us. And in the case, is someone responsible for safety measures during its repair in general? Under Comrade Stalin, a black car would have already called in for him ...
    1. From Siberia we
      From Siberia we 12 December 2019 13: 34
      0
      Quote: Last centurion
      Is someone responsible for safety when repairing it at all?

      The commander of the ship. Well, after Syria, he’s a Herrroy !!! Star diseases, at least die but do !!!!
  35. sagitch
    sagitch 12 December 2019 12: 39
    +2
    Some kind of poor man ...
    Or maybe NATO was "damaged" or someone else brought recourse
  36. Al Asad
    Al Asad 12 December 2019 12: 47
    -1
    And what did diesel fuel do on the ship, which has been under repair for the last year and a half and is moving exclusively with the help of tugboats?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 12: 55
      -4
      Quote: Al Asad
      And what was diesel fuel doing on the ship, which

      Does the word "generator" mean anything to you? If not, leave the discussion; if he does, you have not read the material carefully.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 20: 39
        +2
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Does the word "generator" mean anything to you?

        In the assessments, 11 (so far) "talents" have already been noted who are not aware that sometimes there is a solarium in the generator room ...

        VO, where are you going? what
  37. K-50
    K-50 12 December 2019 12: 47
    +1
    Earlier, the head of the USC Alexei Rakhmanov said that the cruiser will need additional repairs. This became clear after the ship was defective.

    "Kuze" is not lucky. sad
    As if with such "repairs" did not have to rebuild it. sad
  38. Berkut24
    Berkut24 12 December 2019 12: 49
    +4
    It looks like the signing of the death sentence to Kuze. The energy compartment is already a very serious repair. I think that the commission of the Ministry of Defense will begin to raise the question of the appropriateness of further restoration. Kuzyu is pressured by the lack of qualified coastal support, the collapsed repair base and doubts about the fleet's current need for it.
    Sorry to lose such a ship. This is history, status, and the pride of the fleet. And now on the scales will be finances and expediency.
    I really hope that the 2 landing docks planned for laying in the Crimea will receive decent coastal infrastructure and qualified support from the manufacturer.
    1. icant007
      icant007 12 December 2019 13: 54
      0
      It remains only to Kuznetsov to repeat the sad fate of the captured German aircraft carrier, which in the late 40s was crushed as a target.
  39. dgonni
    dgonni 12 December 2019 12: 51
    +1
    Well, well, today is one day after another. A helicopter fell boat while towing sank. And for dessert, the long-suffering Kuzya.
  40. Corn
    Corn 12 December 2019 12: 52
    -5
    In general, it has long been clear that apart from uryakalok, the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" does not need ANY-KO-MU.
    It’s one thing on the couch to drink beer and enjoy the presence of at least some kind of aircraft carrier in the fleet (it doesn’t matter that he cannot even go to sea), and it’s quite another thing to spend astronomical amounts of real money on a knowingly incapable trough.
  41. Al Asad
    Al Asad 12 December 2019 12: 59
    -3
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Al Asad
    And what was diesel fuel doing on the ship, which

    Does the word "generator" mean anything to you? If not, leave the discussion; if he does, you have not read the material carefully.

    Can't I get power from the shore?
    1. dgonni
      dgonni 12 December 2019 13: 19
      0
      And if the coastline is cut off?
      1. Corn
        Corn 12 December 2019 13: 42
        -3
        Well, surely let the ship burn better than the electricity supply from the shore will stop.
        L-logic.
        1. dgonni
          dgonni 12 December 2019 14: 09
          0
          Your sarcasm would be appropriate if Kuzya was in the dock.
          1. Corn
            Corn 12 December 2019 14: 41
            -1
            My sarcasm is appropriate anyway. As far as I know, when mooring from the shore, even serviceable ships try to power up for the sake of saving the generators and fuel resources, and independent generation of energy by a ship undergoing major repairs is simply nonsense that does not fit into any gates. There is no justification here and cannot be, it can only be explained by the fact that for the kuzi not only there was no dock ... but even a simple place at the equipped pier. This, again, is an argument in the treasury of the fact that neither the fleet, nor shipbuilders, nor officials need the ship. No one except couch patriots.
      2. ver_
        ver_ 15 December 2019 17: 18
        0
        ... God, my God - in every city there are mobile power plants and compressors, not counting the road workers ..
    2. From Siberia we
      From Siberia we 12 December 2019 13: 32
      0
      And can she pull out the TARK?
    3. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 12 December 2019 15: 17
      +1
      Quote: Al Asad
      Can't I get power from the shore?

      Oh, finally came from the diesel fuel? Well, glory ... to work laughing

      And about "from the shore" - it's not for me ... buddy No.
  42. faterdom
    faterdom 12 December 2019 13: 04
    +1
    Just a few days ago the Garant aptly and caustically remarked at a meeting on the state of the Navy: "The point is that in a year you will have to answer, and not just like that ..."
    And here it is - an opportunity to answer, and not in a year, but, here, before the New Year! Sin is not to take advantage!
    And we hear the answer of a certain Rakhmanov - nothing serious, everything is almost fine!
    Inspires!
  43. dirk182
    dirk182 12 December 2019 13: 06
    +14
    A fire on the cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov", for the failure of the repair of which the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov was justified three days ago. The fire will allow the USC not to hand over the ship at all. Last fall, thanks to Rakhmanov's friends, a crane fell on Kuznetsova, a floating dock sank, and a "hole 4 by 5 meters" was formed. Prior to that, Aleksey Rakhmanov, a staff member of the British Ernst & Young, had failed in the delivery of the icebreakers Ob, Alexander Sannikov, Andrey Vilkitsky, and broke contracts with Atomflot and Gazprom. But he remained in office and received the Order of Alexander Nevsky from Putin's hands
    1. Charik
      Charik 12 December 2019 18: 32
      0
      So the tsarzarap likes to hang up badges; the hero took the hero
  44. Victorio
    Victorio 12 December 2019 13: 06
    +1
    just a mess at the enterprise
  45. From Siberia we
    From Siberia we 12 December 2019 13: 31
    +9
    This is a complete scribe !!!!! Smoke spreading on a ship. WHY the alarm is not played? Not bulked up bulkheads? Why is FSB shift without IPs and remote controls? Where are sentinels in adjacent rooms? Where are THREE fire barrels at the site of explosive work? Why aren't the salary holds held? Why there was no exhaust ventilation during work? OXT system, SO-4 why does not work? (not launched). It looks like a violation of the Navy KU, NKROZH NK, RKZh RK. etc. Legs grow from the absolute ignorance of the personnel, from his sloppiness. Starting from the commander of the ship. But the first gingerbread already gets a duty on the bottoms and a duty on the ship.
    1. valeryb
      valeryb 12 December 2019 21: 35
      0
      Quote: From Siberia we
      This is a complete scribe !!!!! Smoke spreading on a ship. WHY the alarm is not played? Not bulked up bulkheads? Why is FSB shift without IPs and remote controls? Where are sentinels in adjacent rooms? Where are THREE fire barrels at the site of explosive work? Why aren't the salary holds held? Why there was no exhaust ventilation during work? OXT system, SO-4 why does not work? (not launched). It looks like a violation of the Navy KU, NKROZH NK, RKZh RK. etc. Legs grow from the absolute ignorance of the personnel, from his sloppiness. Starting from the commander of the ship. But the first gingerbread already gets a duty on the bottoms and a duty on the ship.
      Meehan Sir. Meehan. request
  46. monster
    monster 12 December 2019 13: 31
    0
    Rahmanyaku on gilyaka !!!
    1. Charik
      Charik 12 December 2019 18: 34
      +1
      With us, a British citizen can do everything and even work on a guest
  47. Al Asad
    Al Asad 12 December 2019 13: 34
    +2
    Now they’ll announce that the ship is everything, and the money allocated for repair is bye bye
    In general, looking at the service of "Admiral Kuznetsov" like it or not, you will believe in bad luck.
    And all this is very unfortunate
  48. exo
    exo 12 December 2019 13: 38
    +4
    Not that we cannot build, preserve, and that which we have. Sucks. Ship, sorry. Deserves a better fate.
  49. Dikson
    Dikson 12 December 2019 13: 40
    +3
    Our aircraft carrier will be written off .. A fire in the energy compartments is the burning out of cable routes, this is the death of equipment that is no longer being produced .. this is the deformation of structural elements ... When the dock drowned under it - I decided that it was still a diversion .. An no .. - this manual cuts the money and hides the ends in water .. If they don’t write it off, they will repair it for ten years .. until the commander in chief finally decides to send the ditched ship for scrapping ..
  50. Olfred
    Olfred 12 December 2019 13: 42
    +3
    Hmm, the news is unpleasant ... Poor "Kuzya" has no luck with him all the time, how many bucks are pouring into him, and the profit is 0 ... It's a pity of course to say this - but it may be easier to cut him with needles, it is clear that he is the last of the Mohicans, but he takes too many lives without participating in hostilities hi