Ogarkov Doctrine in the Past and Present

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Marshal of the Soviet Union N.V. Ogarkov

In recent decades, the most developed and powerful states have been modernizing their armed forces, taking into account the specifics of the international situation and the development of technology. The USA, Russia, China and other countries use similar solutions and methods, the creation and formation of which are often associated with the name of one of the Soviet military leaders. Similar ideas were once proposed and promoted by the Chief of the General Staff of the USSR, Marshal of the Soviet Union Nikolai Vasilievich Ogarkov (October 17 [30], 1917, Molokovo, Tver Province - January 23, 1994, Moscow).

Hero of his era


The future marshal and chief of the General Staff was born in 1917 in a peasant family. From the age of 14, he worked in various organizations and studied at the same time. In the late thirties, he entered the Moscow Civil Engineering Institute, and in 1938 went to the army, where he was sent to the Military Engineering Academy. In 1941, Ogarkov graduated from the rank of military engineer of the 3rd rank.



During the attack of Nazi Germany, the military engineer Ogarkov was engaged in the construction of fortified areas in the western direction. During the war years, he held various positions in engineering units and units. Subordinates of the future marshal were engaged in the construction and repair of infrastructure, mine clearance and other engineering tasks.

In the postwar period N.V. Ogarkov served in the Carpathian and Primorsky military districts. In the late fifties, after he was promoted to major general and trained at the General Staff Military Academy, he was sent to the GSVG. Later, the general changed several posts in the command of the military districts, and in 1968 he ended up in the General Staff.


Warlords at the West 81 exercises. Chief of General Staff Ogarkov - far left

January 8, 1977 Army General N.V. Ogarkov was appointed chief of the General Staff; soon he was awarded the title of Marshal of the Soviet Union. The position of chief of the General Staff made it possible to propose and implement the most daring ideas, but because of them often disputes arose with the highest military and political leadership of the country. In 1984, the post of chief of the General Staff was transferred to Marshal S.F. Akhromeeva, and Ogarkov was appointed Commander in Chief of the West.

Subsequently, Marshal Ogarkov held various positions in the Ministry of Defense, civil and public organizations. After the collapse of the USSR, he was engaged in advising the new military leadership of independent Russia. Marshal passed away on January 23, 1994.

The Doctrine of Ogarkov


Climbing the career ladder, N.V. Ogarkov carefully studied the front of work entrusted to him and formulated certain proposals. Since 1968 he served in the General Staff, which made it possible to propose, promote and implement various ideas related to the modernization of the armed forces. The positions of the chairman of the State Technical Commission (1974-77) and the chief of the General Staff (1977-84) to a certain extent simplified this.

Over the years of service in the General Staff, Marshal Ogarkov proposed and implemented a number of rather bold ideas in the field of troop development. Such ideas touched on all the basic issues, from armaments to the organization of the army, which, as claimed, was supposed to increase combat efficiency in various conditions and situations.


The parade at the end of the maneuvers "West-81"

The ideas of the Soviet General Staff, implemented since the seventies, did not go unnoticed by foreign strategists. In foreign materials, all these concepts appear under the general name "Ogarkov Doctrine." At one time, data from the USSR attracted the attention of foreign experts and underwent a thorough analysis. According to some sources, certain provisions of the doctrine were finalized and adopted by foreign countries.

Main ideas


One of the foundations of the Ogarkov Doctrine was the idea of ​​a parallel balanced development of nuclear and conventional forces. Nuclear missile arsenals were of great importance for the country's defense, but in a number of situations developed and modern conventional means of warfare were required. It was assumed that the modern army would be able to create the conditions for ending the conflict before its transition to the full-scale use of nuclear weapons.

One of the main directions of improving the troops was considered the development of communications and control. In the seventies, industry created and introduced a command command system for combat command (KSBU) of strategic level and an automated command and control system (ASUV) with the code "Maneuver". Various connected communication and control facilities were also created, which made it possible to speed up and simplify the transfer of data and orders. Not without the participation of N.V. Ogarkov was formed and developed the Unified Field Automated Command and Control System (EPASUV), unified for the USSR and the countries of the internal affairs department.

New ACCS and KSBU were tested during tests and in the framework of exercises, incl. large ones, such as West-81. It was found that these systems actually provide an increase in the effectiveness of troops. In particular, there was a multiple increase in efficiency aviation and artillery strikes.

The Ogarkov Doctrine provided for the creation of new units and divisions. In the context of a non-nuclear conflict, not all combat missions could be solved by forces of existing formations. As a result, smaller structures were required, characterized by better equipment and high mobility. These ideas were realized through the formation of special forces in a number of military branches.

Ogarkov Doctrine in the Past and Present

Marshal Ogarkov with an inspection in Syria, the beginning of the 80s

Not without influence of the conditional doctrine in the seventies and eighties was the development of new weapons and military equipment. New samples were supposed to show higher characteristics and correspond to the general course of development of the army. The development of fundamentally new directions, such as precision weapons, also began. With the help of such developments, it was possible to realize the concept of non-nuclear strategic deterrence.

It should be noted that the implementation of the ideas of N.V. Ogarkov and his colleagues were quite complex, lengthy and expensive. In the late seventies and early eighties it was necessary to increase the defense budget, which was associated with the need to develop and produce a mass of modern samples, the formation of new units, etc.

Past and present


From a certain time, information about reforming the Soviet Army and the “Ogarkov Doctrine” began to flow to foreign experts. It was analyzed in NATO countries and, probably, in China. The proposed concepts were generally highly rated. Moreover, publications of frightening content regularly appeared. Their authors argued that the USSR, having completed the implementation of the whole doctrine, would have easily finished off with NATO.

In the seventies and eighties, leading foreign countries also engaged in the improvement of their armies. A substantial part of their plans was similar to the Soviet Ogarkov Doctrine - apparently, it was the result of the parallel development of concepts in similar conditions, although a direct borrowing of ideas cannot be ruled out.


Speech by the Chief of the General Staff on the incident with a South Korean airliner, 1983

Unlike the USSR, foreign countries did not try to do “perestroika” and did not break up. As a result, one can observe by their example what results could lead to timely and full-fledged implementation of new ideas. Thus, the modern US army relies on advanced information management systems, precision weapons and other means to improve the efficiency of the troops. The results of such modernization are visible from the results of recent local conflicts involving the American army.

Since 2015, China has been renewing its armed forces. According to known data, the current reform provides for a slight reduction in the number of troops while increasing their effectiveness. In parallel, China is creating new electronic systems, controls and modern weapons. All these processes make one recall both Soviet developments and American programs.

Finally, the Russian army in recent years has received the necessary financial and organizational capabilities, which allowed it to begin reforming and re-equipping in accordance with current threats and challenges. The strategic nuclear forces are being seriously updated, and at the same time, non-nuclear forces are being modernized. The modernized troops have already shown their capabilities in the Syrian operation.

Ratings and Events


General, and then Marshal N.V. Ogarkov began work on new concepts about half a century ago and promoted them until the mid-eighties. Some of his proposals were successfully implemented, while others could not be implemented. In addition, similar reforms have been and continue to be carried out abroad.

Activities N.V. Ogarkova in senior positions in the Ministry of Defense and his ideas still cause controversy, and diametrically opposed opinions are expressed. There is no need to wait for the appearance of a generally accepted balanced opinion on this topic. However, the observed events seem to sum up at least part of such disputes.

A number of provisions of the "Ogarkov Doctrine" at one time really could ensure the growth of the combat effectiveness of the army. In addition, a number of concepts still remain relevant, despite the change in the military-political situation in the world, the cessation of some “cold” conflicts and the beginning of others. The ideas of the doctrine, implemented in our country and abroad, have already been confirmed in practice in the course of real modern wars.
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  1. +10
    20 December 2019 18: 16
    The future marshal and chief of the General Staff was born in 1917 in a peasant family. !!!
    Are such social "lifts" possible today?
    The colonel’s son asks his father:
    “Dad, will I be a lieutenant?”
    - You will be a son.
    - A major?
    - You will be a son.
    “A colonel, how are you?”
    - You will be a son.
    “Will I be a general?”
    - No son ...
    - Why dad?
    - The general has his own children ...
    1. -12
      20 December 2019 18: 32
      Are such social "lifts" possible today?
      Easily. For example, Zolotov, Gerasimov and Shoigu from simple families.
      1. +7
        20 December 2019 20: 54
        Quote: Corn
        Are such social "lifts" possible today?
        Easily. For example, Zolotov, Gerasimov and Shoigu from simple families.

        They were from simple families. Now you need to be from the right family. Both Shoigu and Gerasimov were not born into simple families under the current government. You do not need to confuse the soft with the warm.
        1. -11
          20 December 2019 21: 25
          What difference does it make where they were born there, they curry favor to the top of a military career precisely under this authority.
          What will happen next and whether modern immigrants from simple families will be able to wear marshal's epaulettes is not yet known to you or me.
        2. 0
          26 December 2019 05: 30
          Now you need to be from the right family. Both Shoigu and Gerasimov were not born into simple families under the current government. You do not need to confuse the soft with the warm.

          do not write nonsense. Of course, in reality, under equal conditions, a "thug" will have a smoother path to the top of the career ladder. But this does not mean at all that a talented officer without a protégé has no chance of reaching big stars.
      2. +14
        20 December 2019 21: 18
        Especially Zolotov. Incredible talent, strategist! Always a nose in the wind ... laughing
        1. -15
          20 December 2019 21: 22
          You want to say that the slow-witted people from the Soviet General Staff were more capable of Zolotov or Shoigu? “So this is not a funny joke; bring a new one.”
          1. +14
            20 December 2019 21: 28
            I do not think that in the Soviet General Staff everyone was completely slow-witted, this is stupid. And I'm not kidding. As for Zolotov, this person is well known to everyone. And about Shoigu, tell us what kind of military leadership talents this man possesses. Well ... apart from organizing an international show like "tank biathlon."
            1. -4
              20 December 2019 21: 36
              The fact is a fact, from the end of World War II to 2 (until Comrade Serdyukov dispersed the majority of crazy elders), the Soviet-Russian army actually only continuously lost combat effectiveness, negative selection did its dirty work, and the headquarters elders cut off from reality (if not everyone was tactical, then judging by the “sleep of reason” that was happening, the vast majority of them) were preparing for the past war.
              And I don’t want to discuss Comrade Shoigu with you, and this does not make sense in this context, he is actually a civilian whose task is to organize and correctly allocate resources.
              1. +5
                20 December 2019 21: 48
                ... preparing for the past war.


                Quite right, but this feature is not only distinguished by our generals, it is characteristic of all armies and fleets of the whole world. And, by the way, our General Staff elders were categorically against the entry of troops into Afghanistan, but they entered, because the elders were much dumber in the Politburo.
                1. +2
                  22 December 2019 17: 46
                  Against your background, the Kremlin elders are simply the height of the intellect. No one can predict in advance the scale of the Afghan war, which resulted in a confrontation with the whole world — the USA, Islamic countries, Europe, China. In addition, events in the DRA developed spontaneously and the USSR was forced to intervene. in the early 80s, even among the townsfolk, there was talk about the intention of the Africans to enter Afghanistan. What actually happened, only later.
                  1. 0
                    22 December 2019 18: 09
                    Well, for "my background" a separate "thanks". As for the USSR's intervention in Afghan affairs, the forced withdrawal of our troops from this country is an excellent illustration of the "wisdom" of the Politburo. Not as inglorious as that of the Yankees from Vietnam, but, in general, there is nothing to be proud of either. What have you achieved with this input? And nothing but unnecessary losses and universal condemnation. I don't give a damn about the condemnation, but I feel sorry for our guys, they will never be returned. And the Americans entered Afghanistan anyway. request
                    1. 0
                      22 December 2019 19: 36
                      By introducing troops, they achieved that then the American bases did not open there. True, they sought a political solution for too long - but found - Najibullah. And if it were not for the betrayal on the part of EBN, then he would still rule this region. Well, the troops in Afghanistan gained combat experience, which is worth a lot.
                    2. 0
                      23 December 2019 14: 30
                      From the point of view of the aftermath, all outstanding analysts and visionaries. Here in the article, and the comments, we are talking about bastard marshals and their attitude to the matter, and not about the political leadership of the USSR. These bitch geeks are fully responsible for the military aspect operations, this is their professional duty. You justify these covs, "they say, they were forced" - "they didn't want to." Then Grachev also bleated after 1993.
                      So the political leadership of the USSR was wise for reasons, and the army leadership was not able to organize a solution to military issues.
            2. -2
              26 August 2020 17: 47
              And what talents do you have to open your mouth with?
              1. +1
                26 August 2020 17: 55
                Kiryusha, kid, you don't need to poke around strangers, you won't surprise anyone with rude rudeness here, there were a lot of you like that here, but where are they all ...
      3. BAI
        +1
        21 December 2019 18: 04
        Easily.

        You can also cite the example of the current governor of the Irkutsk region, about which a video with unconventional sec.
      4. 0
        22 December 2019 19: 32
        That's about the "simple family" Shoigu is not necessary here. From the party nomenclature.
    2. +4
      21 December 2019 11: 27
      Quote: GKS 2111
      The colonel’s son asks his father:

      The anecdote is inappropriate for the current situation - out of all my graduation in the seventies, only one classmate had a son who went to study at the VVUZ, and even then at the borderline (although this information is about those we know about). Not having served his pension, he also resigned, because he realized the futility of serving on the border with Kazakhstan. Another example is the release of the famous "Dzerzhinka" at the beginning of the XNUMXs, when after ten years of service as an officer, no one was left in the army. So this anecdote has long lost its relevance - the FIG Colonel will send his son to study at the Higher Educational Institution, because he knows very well that now it is far from the prestigious profession as it was in Soviet times.
      1. BAI
        0
        21 December 2019 18: 08
        not that prestigious profession, as it was in Soviet times.

        Can you give an example, which of the generals voluntarily resigned without having served a deadline for benefits? Not on a government post.
        1. +2
          22 December 2019 13: 29
          Quote: BAI
          Can you give an example, which of the generals voluntarily resigned without having served a deadline for benefits?

          You are confusing the benefits that all categories of military personnel receive, depending on the length of service, position and rank, which appear after 20 calendar years, and the desire to retire generals, which may exist, but the system will not accept them for an equivalent position in the civilian sphere. They understand this very well, and therefore do not rush to take off their shoulder straps. As for voluntary withdrawal, I remember Vorobyov, although as a rule generals either leave for health reasons, or they "leave" for reasons not related to their desires. But I did not talk about generals - there are too few of them to understand why the sons of a huge number of officers refused to continue the work of their fathers, and left for other areas of activity. But this best shows why our modern army cannot be compared with the Soviet one in the quality of its officers.
  2. -2
    20 December 2019 18: 30
    “Today, such social“ lifts ”are possible - Abramovich Roman Arkadyevich, father of a construction worker. Nice social lift?
    1. +5
      20 December 2019 21: 22
      Was it today? And how did the "worker from the construction site" manage to move from the "muhoska" to the center of the capital? Roma studied at school # 232 on Trubnaya Street in Moscow. laughing
      1. +7
        20 December 2019 22: 14
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Roma studied at school number 232 on Trubnaya street in Moscow.

        As Alla Borukhovna said, Roma made his first operation-cooperation exactly in time for a demobilization chord. He sold the forest to local peasants, which the commander ordered him to cut down under the road to the unit. The peasants cut through the clearing and took everything out.
        1. +7
          20 December 2019 22: 20
          Well, well done, for that he has the fifth column in his passport. When we were digging a trench under the heating main to the barracks, we asked a local tractor driver to help. He dug us a trench, but did not buy land, though he himself turned out to be silver-free. So no one has earned anything, the graph in the port is not the same. soldier smile
      2. +2
        20 December 2019 23: 00
        And what, his origin from this has changed?
        “Was that today?” - Do you have a time machine, do you know who the current kids will be?
        By the way, the worker did not move to Moscow from the construction site and there he died when Roma was 2 years old. So Roma is also an orphan.
    2. +4
      21 December 2019 11: 33
      Quote: Sergey Valov
      Nice social elevator?

      There was no elevator - it was just a fraudulent way of getting someone else's wealth, to the creation of which he personally was not involved. The minister of coal industry Zasyadko had the elevator, or Kosygin, for example, and the current oligarchs didn’t have elevators, only one thing in common - high-ranking friends who allowed them to go to the feeder.
    3. 0
      22 December 2019 19: 39
      Construction Worker Jew? And is it not in Israel? Amazing
  3. +4
    20 December 2019 18: 35
    "Maneuver" was introduced rather tightly, the commanders did not understand how to command without profanity. And ASUV required the presence of brains.
    After the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, one such complex remaining in the GDR went to the Americans. They spent using it a staff game, the results of which shocked them. Thanks to control automation, the conditional army of the Warsaw Treaty blew NATO to dust in three days. Without any nuclear weapons. And the “Maneuver” algorithms were immediately laid the foundation for a similar system of the US Army ...
    1. +4
      21 December 2019 11: 45
      Quote: knn54
      After the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, one such complex remaining in the GDR went to the Americans. They spent using it a staff game, the results of which shocked them. Thanks to control automation, the conditional army of the Warsaw Treaty blew NATO to dust in three days. Without any nuclear weapons. And the “Maneuver” algorithms were immediately laid the foundation for a similar system of the US Army ...

      I don’t know how such legends are born, but from the NNA of the GDR a large number of different equipment, weapons and documentation were returned to the group of forces, which fell under the list according to which the Warsaw Pact countries were obliged to return to us when this structure was liquidated.
      As for the capabilities of our land armies (five Soviet and two German, plus ours 16 VA), in training they were really better than NATO, but only naive people could believe that a nuclear-free war is possible. In fact, it was the other way around - we expected that the GSVG attack would be delivered simultaneously with the blow throughout the USSR, although it was difficult to understand what force it would be if the United States brought its strategic nuclear forces, including underwater ones.
      Quote: knn54
      And the “Maneuver” algorithms were immediately laid the foundation for a similar system of the US Army ...

      This is probably overkill - such algorithms are developed for specific armed forces, and for us and for Americans even the level of development of computer technology was different, not to mention that their division structure was different from ours in terms of the use of helicopters.
  4. +8
    20 December 2019 19: 11
    ABOUT! I see my tank, it’s worth 320!
    1. +2
      20 December 2019 23: 18
      There, and someone’s boots from underneath, for 320 are visible .... I also wondered who it was there that was guarding the commander’s tank, wasn’t it zampotech ?! wink
      In the magazine "Soviet Photo" this famous full-width photograph was then published — quite recently I came across it.
      1. +4
        20 December 2019 23: 38
        Not. I was a deputy engineer, but at a troop review I went for a platoon commander. And the legs of my mechanic, he tightened the tape fastening tape, everything was fine there, but the battalion commander ordered.
      2. 0
        21 December 2019 12: 52
        We remember, we remember! Cool picture!!! Our "colleagues" in NATO, when they looked at this photo, and they watched it 1000%, their backs got wet with fear and their hands began to shake slightly ...
  5. +9
    20 December 2019 19: 41
    Well, someone had to correct Khrushchev's stupidity with the reduction of "unnecessary" army and navy, in the presence of nuclear missile weapons. At the same time, there were no indulgences in the triad in the same years, advanced models were developed, not to mention the number, when real (and not like during the Caribbean crisis) parity was achieved.
    And so they could - Brezhnev, Ustinov, Ogarkov, Akhrameev.
    Only now they missed the trade and shop mafia with the "underestimated" dancing-chatting-writing intelligentsia, which from the "stratum" decided to replace both bread and butter. And now it is devouring our pensions.
  6. -14
    20 December 2019 20: 24
    Quote: faterdom
    reduction of "unnecessary" army and navy

    The army and navy, in the presence of nuclear weapons, are needed only to attack the weak. For example, to Ukraine.
    As for Ogarkov, one and a half trillion weapons per year is an abomination!
  7. +6
    20 December 2019 20: 35
    After reading the article, the essence of Ogarkov's doctrine remained completely incomprehensible, therefore the question remains: "Was there a boy" (C)?
  8. +5
    20 December 2019 20: 49
    One of the main directions of improving the troops was considered the development of communications and control.

    This is now the basis of the foundations.
    How can one not recall the Wehrmacht - already then, on every tank and on every plane there was a first-class walkie-talkie ...
    1. -2
      20 December 2019 20: 52
      This is now the basis of the basics

      On most of the tanks in the summer of 1941 there were radio receivers, the radio stations set the platoon commander and above from the tank.
      1. +2
        21 December 2019 12: 49
        Such was the basis of the concept of communication of the Red Army of those times.
  9. +7
    20 December 2019 20: 58
    Quote: bbtcs
    Quote: faterdom
    reduction of "unnecessary" army and navy

    The army and navy, in the presence of nuclear weapons, are needed only to attack the weak. For example, to Ukraine.
    As for Ogarkov, one and a half trillion weapons per year is an abomination!

    Buy pills if you think that Ogarkov wanted to attack Ukraine. From the point of view of Ogarkov, these are three military districts + the Black Sea Fleet, and not the state. Now there are no these three districts and fleet, but here again - not the state.
  10. +4
    20 December 2019 20: 59
    As far as I know, the "doctrine" was expressed in the idea of ​​a limited, high-intensity conflict on the ETVD using conventional weapons. The Americans rushed with the same idea, but since no one can guarantee the absence of an escalation of the conflict before the use of strategic nuclear forces ... wink
    EMNIP "Maneuver" was developed for years since 1968, that is, long before Ogarkov NGSH became.
  11. 0
    20 December 2019 21: 05
    Why did the author not remember Afghanistan (1979-89). It was the Ogarkov doctrine that turned out to be useless for this kind of hostilities. Afghan was the first war of this kind, it was from his experience that both the Americans and the Chinese learned ... unfortunately, Putin's complete denial of Afgan and ignorance of the experience of that war in Afghanistan led to unjustified losses in Chechnya and South Ossetia (2008), only after 2008 years they remembered the army, but now in Syria the Afghan experience is "used" both on earth and in the sky, and in politics ... Ogarkov improved the experience of the Second World War, but the future showed that wars are already of a different nature.
    1. +5
      20 December 2019 21: 21
      Afgan was the first war of such a plan, it was from his experience that both Americans and Chinese studied
      How was Afghanistan critically different from that of Vietnam itself (with which both Americans and Chinese were much more familiar), except for the climate?
      led to unjustified losses in Chechnya
      surprisingly, the men thought it was the political criminals who were first freed and sent to Dudaev, then pumped up Chechnya with weapons, and then the guys, bypassing all the rules of the military craft, were sent to the slaughter while merging all the information to the militants ... and it turns out “Afghan experience” was not taken into account.
      and South Ossetia (2008)
      it would seem that the experience of the counter-guerrilla war of 20 years ago would have helped in the battles with the regular army ...
      I do not know what kind of experience they are using in Syria, but not for sure the Afghan one.
      1. +1
        20 December 2019 21: 45
        How was Afghanistan critically different from that of Vietnam itself (with which both Americans and Chinese were much more familiar), except for the climate?

        Everyone !!!! But in order to understand this, one must study not only the opinions of journalists, but also military history.
        surprisingly, the men thought it was the political criminals who were first freed and sent to Dudaev, then pumped up Chechnya with weapons, and then the guys, bypassing all the rules of the military craft, were sent to the slaughter while merging all the information to the militants ... and it turns out “Afghan experience” was not taken into account.

        This is not a political assessment of the war in the North Caucasus, but a military ....
        it would seem that the experience of the counter-guerrilla war of 20 years ago would have helped in the battles with the regular army ...
        I do not know what kind of experience they are using in Syria, but not for sure the Afghan one.

        Firstly, 40-30 years ago ... And you, that you were in Syria and carried out any combat missions or finally communicate with the military who visited there? I visited Afghanistan, so there are
        with what to compare, even on the basis of the information that I have. The Syrian "barmaley" are the same Afghan spirits led by Islamic extremists, and many "barmaley" went through a "school" in Afghan camps or with "spiritual" instructors.
        1. 0
          22 December 2019 17: 38
          War is the continuation of politics, and politics is a concentrated expression of economy. All these things are inseparable.
  12. +3
    20 December 2019 21: 23
    The "Ogarkov Doctrine" was formulated for the superpower - the USSR in the mid-1970s. The present is the "Shoigu Doctrine".
  13. +3
    21 December 2019 12: 09
    Author:
    Ryabov Kirill
    January 8, 1977 Army General N.V. Ogarkov was appointed chief of the General Staff; soon he was awarded the title of Marshal of the Soviet Union. The position of chief of the General Staff made it possible to propose and implement the most daring ideas, but because of them often disputes arose with the highest military and political leadership of the country. In 1984, the post of chief of the General Staff was transferred to Marshal S.F. Akhromeeva, and Ogarkov was appointed Commander in Chief of the West.

    The story of the removal of Ogarkov from the post of the National High School was personal in the form of a conflict with Ustinov, and this was confirmed not only by Varennikov in his interviews with some writers, but also by those who served in the army at that time. Ogarkov was a well-known and honored commander, he was respected in the army, and therefore it is not surprising that his opinions could diverge from the opinion of a civilian appointed by the Minister of Defense.

    One of the foundations of the Ogarkov Doctrine was the idea of ​​a parallel balanced development of nuclear and conventional forces. Nuclear missile arsenals were of great importance for the country's defense, but in a number of situations developed and modern conventional means of warfare were required. It was assumed that the modern army would be able to create conditions for ending the conflict before its transition to the full use of nuclear weapons.

    Unfortunately, now we cannot know exactly what the "balance" according to Ogarkov was, but the fact that the "balance" according to Ustinov led to unthinkable expenditures on conventional weapons is obvious, and this ultimately turned out to be a sideline for our country - so many tanks that we had, no one had. What happened to them later is well known to those who saw the storage bases of armored vehicles in Siberia or in other areas. Unfortunately, some of our military leaders were also cool about Ogarkov's opinion about some prospects for the development of the Armed Forces, who believed that the larger the army, the better, which is why the radical reform of the army did not take place at that time, although a lot was changing in the field of ACCS. For example, the GRU created its own Dozor system, which, in terms of the complexity of the tasks being solved, was one of the most progressive for that time.
    In general, in my opinion, Ogarkov undeservedly suffered, and remained in the memory of those who caught him in the post of the National High School, as a respected military leader who could have achieved much more for our Armed Forces, if not for Ustinov’s personal hostility.
    PS Comparing Ogarkov with current "generals" like Shoigu is simply ridiculous - it's like comparing the head of a bathhouse with the commander of a tank regiment.
    1. +1
      22 December 2019 10: 07
      Quote: ccsr
      Ogarkov was a famous and honored commander,

      Quote: ccsr
      Comparing Ogarkov with today's "generals" like Shoigu is simply ridiculous - it's like comparing the head of a bathhouse with the commander of a tank regiment.

      Ogarkov went through the entire War in the engineering troops, then commanded the districts (as I understand, he did not take personal part in the wars after the Second World War), then he switched to headquarters work (immediately in the General Staff).
      So to call Ogarkov a "commander", that is, a person who led the troops in battles, is a rather bold move.
      Likewise, with the "commander of a tank regiment", which he never was.

      In general, the article is weak: whoever knew this situation well from the inside is already in the know. But from the hell it’s not clear: everything is very general ... Some kind of agitation.
      1. -1
        22 December 2019 10: 15
        It seems that in 89 there was a tremendous interview with either Ogarkov or Kulikov ... Among the questions there was one obvious one, about a possible "quick" suicide "of the Warsaw Pact organization ... It became funny to read the answer, or anxious at heart - when I realized that the old senile is completely cut off from reality ...
      2. +2
        22 December 2019 13: 44
        Quote: PilotS37
        Ogarkov went through the entire War in the engineering troops, then commanded the districts (as I understand, he did not take personal part in the wars after the Second World War), then he switched to headquarters work (immediately in the General Staff).

        Do you think that the district commander is too small a post for appointment to the General Staff? I don’t think so, especially if it concerns the appointment to GOU or GOMU.
        Quote: PilotS37
        So to call Ogarkov a "commander", that is, a person who led the troops in battles, is a rather bold move.

        And after the Great Patriotic War, we did not have land battles at all - how do you imagine this? And by the time he was appointed to the General Staff, those who led the battles in the Second World War were already retired for a long time, or they were not alive at all.
        Quote: PilotS37
        Likewise, with the "commander of a tank regiment", which he never was.

        It was an allegory, it is a pity that you took it literally - Shoigu was also not the head of the bathhouse.
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        Some kind of agitation.

        You and cards in hand - write something interesting on this topic. As for the article itself, now most of the local readers haven’t heard anything about Ogarkov at all, so the article is useful at least in terms of information, maybe someone will be interested in this person.
  14. 0
    21 December 2019 23: 19
    the marshal was not easy))))) pedivikiya does not lie))))))
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    22 December 2019 16: 19
    I can’t judge the "Ogarkov Doctrine" because I don’t know what kind of doctrine it is and whether it ever existed. As far as I am aware, there was a military doctrine of the USSR, which developed and changed from time to time, but I don’t remember that it bore someone’s personal name.
    The article also mentions the "Maneuver" ACCU. As one of the commentators correctly noted, the development of this ACCS was started at the SKB of the Minsk Electromechanical Plant back in the late 60s and then continued at the Research Institute of Automation Means (NIISA). Those. Comrade Ogarkov's participation in the beginning of the development of this system is questionable. Naturally, when Ogarkov became the head of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces, he had to delve into issues related to the creation and operation of this system, since ACCS Maneuver included complexes of automation facilities providing control of all types of troops included in the district / front and at all their levels (from platoon to command post of the Front). Some elements of the ACCU Maneuver were demonstrated to the leadership of the USSR Ministry of Defense and the Warsaw Pact countries at the Zapad 81 exercises, although command and control of the troops was then carried out mainly with the help of the ACCU of the previous generation, for example, "Air 1M" or through standard army communications. General of the Army Varennikov supervised the exercises and the "debriefing" after them, but Ogarkov flashed a couple of times next to the Minister of Defense of the USSR and disappeared. Those. and here his role in promoting the most advanced ACCU at that time. The maneuver is still in the fog.
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    22 December 2019 17: 33
    When I look at a black parquet marshal hung with military orens like a New Year tree, a lot becomes clear. These are the marshals who spent the resources of the peoples of the USSR on tender, expensive geeks to amuse their pride. And at this time in the USSR, soldiers were running on exercises in kerzach and ugly caps, sheepskin coats and felt boots. field uniform was at the same time everyday, and a hot shower once a week, and even then not always. Cropped and half-cropped units bred, along with regiments and generals, and soldiers, instead of military training, did not climb out of their outfits. location, with mastic with the help of a "mash" in the era of nuclear reactors, and jet aviation-shkolota and slope, this of course will not say anything ...
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    8 March 2024 21: 15
    the doctrine is there, the effectiveness has been proven, a decent amount of time has passed - there is no connection. well, somehow.

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