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In Russia, they created an analogue of the American M-16 under the cartridge of the caliber 7,62X39 mm

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In Russia, they created an analogue of the American M-16 under the cartridge of the caliber 7,62X39 mm

In Russia, they developed a variant of the American assault rifle AR-15 (M-16) under the Soviet cartridge of caliber 7,62X39 mm. Also developed option with the ability to conduct automatic firing. This was reported by TASS with reference to the message of the company LLC "Promtehnologiya", which produces weapon under the brand name ORSIS.


The Russian company Promtekhnologiya launched at its facilities in Moscow the production of a variant of the American assault rifle AR-15 (M-16) for the caliber 7,62X39 mm. Rifles are equipped with high-precision barrels ORSIS.

The analogue of the American rifle AR-15 was tested in the "Russian" caliber 7,62x39 mm. The bullet of the cartridge is twice as heavy as the bullet of the American machine gun cartridge 5,56 and, accordingly, has great energy at all distances of practical shooting. Weight and recoil parameters did not increase compared to the smaller caliber

- reported in the company.

It is stated that the general shot at the resource during the tests, at the moment, exceeded 17 of thousands of shots, while the accuracy and accuracy indicators remained within the declared norm. The rifle also went through various climatic tests.

Earlier, in September, the company launched into mass production the ORSIS-AR15J rifle - an analogue of the American semi-automatic rifle AR-15 chambered for caliber 5,56x45 mm.
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  1. Glory1974
    Glory1974 11 December 2019 09: 02
    +12
    Russia has developed a variant of the American assault rifle AR-15 (M-16) under the Soviet cartridge of 7,62X39 mm caliber. Also developed option with the ability to conduct automatic firing.

    I wonder why you need it? The Americans organized the production of our weapons, motivating that it is more suitable for various rebels. And now we will make and sell American weapons, to whom?
    By the way, the Americans themselves are already abandoning their "shooters". The Marines are switching to German weapons, while the rest are choosing.
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 11 December 2019 09: 11
      +9
      Slava, this is a "pen-piece" for measuring with prichendaly. This news has already been nibbled for almost half a year in the back.
      An anecdote to the topic-Two gopniks beat a Jew- (E) Why are you beating? - (D) You crucified our Christ! - (E) So that was more than 2000 years ago !!! - And we only found out today.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 11 December 2019 13: 03
        +1
        And who will be the buyer?
        They definitely won’t take the army.
        Collector lovers? So first you need to issue a law on the right to have weapons, so that such collectors appear among the people.
        Oligarch Billionaires? Well, realize ten things. Well, let a hundred. And that’s it.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 11 December 2019 09: 18
      +8
      Well, it's a matter of respect! The Americans produce AKM ... that means we are respected! Well, in Russia, as a sign of "reciprocal respect," they began to produce the M-16 .. Do you understand? "You respect him! ... He respects you! ... Both are now respected people!" hi drinks
    3. Kalmar
      Kalmar 11 December 2019 09: 33
      +8
      Quote: glory1974
      I wonder why you need it?

      As far as I understand, this is a civilian carbine. Needed for those who like the "arched" layout (and an assortment of all kinds of tuning, body kits, decorators), but the soul requires an Orthodox caliber 7,62.

      Quote: glory1974
      The Americans themselves organized the production of our weapons, motivating that it is more suitable for various rebels

      The Americans, as I understand it, for the same reasons make civilian carbines based on AK. I didn’t hear something about the military Kalash of American production.

      Quote: glory1974
      By the way, the Americans themselves are already abandoning their "shooters". The Marines are switching to German weapons, while the rest are choosing.

      The Marines are switching to the HK417 (like the index did not mess up), which, in fact, is the same AR-15, only with a slightly modified gas outlet: the piston was added. By the way, such a gas outlet can be installed on almost any "arch" - the corresponding kits are on sale.
    4. Civil
      Civil 11 December 2019 09: 45
      +2
      Is it a misunderstanding from idleness or from extra money? AK what is bad?
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 11 December 2019 09: 52
        +7
        Quote: Civil
        AK what is bad?

        From the series "Why does Nissan exist if there is already Toyota". Both the AK and the AR-15 have their own advantages, disadvantages and features. There is nothing wrong with products on different platforms on the market, and there everyone chooses according to their liking and wallet. And someone in their arsenal has both a Kalashoid and an arch.
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 11 December 2019 15: 48
        -3
        Is it a misunderstanding from idleness or from extra money? AK what is bad?


        AK - a weapon for the militia. And now it's time for the professionals.
        1. Interdum_silentium_volo
          Interdum_silentium_volo 11 December 2019 23: 07
          0
          DO NOT RACE THE PURGU, it’s simple, it’s also a carbine in free sale in our country. For those who have issued a license for rifled. The caliber has been changed since it is our and easily accessible caliber. It is not 5,56 for 45 which we have limited release and costs more .
        2. Kalmar
          Kalmar 12 December 2019 09: 36
          0
          Quote: Arzt
          AK - a weapon for the militia. And now it's time for the professionals.

          If by "AK" we mean a machine gun specifically of the '47 model, then yes, only African partisans are fighting like that now.

          If we talk about AK as a scheme / platform, then on this base it is easy to make cheap weapons "for extras" and more advanced products "for professionals." With the AR-15, in principle, the story is the same.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 11 December 2019 09: 02
    -3
    In Russia, they created an analogue of the American M-16 under the cartridge of the caliber 7,62X39 mm
    And do we need this crap?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 11 December 2019 09: 12
      -4
      Especially after decades of recognition by experts (and not only ours) that weapons are not the best for warfare ... request
      1. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 3 January 2020 13: 15
        -1
        And here the fighting. Pure sport rifle
        Unfortunately, it is not clear, and the manufacturer does not explain whether this version is adapted for 7,62x39 ALL sizes or is it another primitive AR-15 alteration for 223
        There that’s the whole point in different parameters of the bottom
    2. Den717
      Den717 11 December 2019 09: 16
      -3
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And do we need this crap?

      We, except for "amateurs" and some special forces, are unlikely. But for sale to countries that, for historical reasons, have large stocks of 7,62x39, it may do. Why not initially tune in to export to Asia and Africa, and even to Latin America?
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 11 December 2019 10: 07
      +2
      Well, there are all sorts of private fanatics of Western weapons they may need, although they would rather be laughed at for that.
    4. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 11 December 2019 11: 16
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And do we need this crap?

      Orthodox cartridges have an "unpleasant" feature - bullets have steel shells. That any non-Orthodox barrel becomes worthless for several thousand rounds. And to buy kosher, with a copper sheath - three times more expensive.
      So they did - a copy of American, but with Russian material science. And M-16, and steel bullets wassat
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 11 December 2019 09: 07
    -9
    I do not understand, is it too much trouble or zrada? The company will personally raise the money for itself, on domestic idiots amerfilah, overpower. Damage to Russia, as the country-creator of Kalash, is evident.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 11 December 2019 09: 21
      +6
      Well, if a company risks its money, then for God's sake. But budget funds in such projects should not be invested.
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 11 December 2019 11: 17
        +3
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Well, if a company risks its money, then for God's sake.

        hi Exactly to the point. ORSIS is a private company, there was no order from the Ministry of Defense for the development of an AR-15 clone. What does this mean? Either there is demand in the market, or the company is pumping its potential and testing new schemes in order to get some information about them. Those. development "on an initiative basis".
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 11 December 2019 09: 40
      +8
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      I do not understand, is it too much trouble or zrada?

      What does it have to do with it? Private company released a new product. It will be sold - well (what bad is it when a domestic company has honest business going uphill?).

      And what does amerophilia have to do with it? It turns out that nothing can be taken into the hands of a Russian man, besides Kalash, because it’s just a bump? By the way, is it not disgusting for you to sit at your computers? He was also invented in these godless America))
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 11 December 2019 10: 06
        -5
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        The company will personally raise the money for itself, on domestic fools amerfilah,

        I’m glad for the company, even glad for the amerfil-fool, for the person who will lay out several tens of thousands of rubles. for the trunk, which only looks like an American, but with the money.
        Quote: Kalmar
        And what does amerophilia have to do with it? It turns out that nothing can be taken into the hands of a Russian man, besides Kalash, because immediately
        Yes, please, no one has canceled collecting, the original M-16 in the shooter's collection should be, like the AK. I understand it. My computers are all Chinese, the tag doesn’t count
        Quote: Kalmar
        He, too, was invented in these godless America

        Sorry, but this is stupid. They developed the idea, yes, but did not come up with it.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 11 December 2019 10: 12
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          even glad for the amerfil-fool, for the person who will lay out several tens of thousands of rubles. for a barrel that just looks like an American

          Most buy these barrels not for "Americanness", but for certain characteristics and features that it possesses. For example, among the athletes at IPSC, many run with arches - they don't care about their origin, it is important for them to win the competition. Do not try to drag your ideological troubles to any nonsense.

          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          nobody has canceled collecting, the original M-16 in the shooter's collection should be, like the AK

          And someone, imagine, also loves to shoot. Again, just shoot, just at targets, without ideological implications.

          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          My computers are all Chinese, the tag doesn’t count

          It's funny. Processor, graphics chip, RAM chips, in general, all more or less basic components were developed by American firms; in China, only assembly lines. With this approach, the considered "arch" from ORSIS is the most Russian :)
  4. Dikson
    Dikson 11 December 2019 09: 10
    0
    And then shtatovtsy will not sue? Or so, will we get off with the next sanctions? For so many years to find fault with the M-16, to fill up half the world with Kalashnikovs, then to "master" the release of the AR-15 ..?
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 11 December 2019 09: 22
      +2
      The States will not sue. M-16 with a free license, do whoever wants
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 11 December 2019 09: 27
        0
        Oh, I didn’t know, I wanted to write about the license, but I got distracted and forgot.
      2. Kalmar
        Kalmar 11 December 2019 09: 42
        +2
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        M-16 with a free license,

        Amendment: not M-16 (a specific sample of army weapons), but AR-15 (count as a platform). And yes, it is licensed without problems; "Arches" now only the lazy does not.
        1. Fibrizio
          Fibrizio 11 December 2019 09: 55
          0
          Only in Russia they make 2-3 places. Orsis, St. Petersburg Adarka and maybe another 1-2 firms.
          There is a demand, only they are doing it strongly said. There, almost everything is imported.
          Orsis fellow sharpening trunks himself.
          Just ask a leading question, you think whose forms are there? We do not make them.
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 11 December 2019 10: 05
            0
            Quote: Fibrizio
            Just ask a leading question, you think whose forms are there? We do not make them.

            As far as I understand, there are problems of a purely economic and industrial nature. Well i.e. some parts are easier to buy abroad than trying to make by yourself. It is difficult and expensive for small enterprises (such as Orsys) to establish a full production cycle. Large (TOZ, Izhmash, VPO) - just not interesting because of the small runs.
            1. Fibrizio
              Fibrizio 11 December 2019 10: 11
              +1
              They grind their details on the CNC. They have machines. So there are just no problems with manufacturing. AR has everything from alloy (well, almost everything).
              But table forms are bought. No manufacturer in the Russian Federation can make them a crowbar with the right qualities.
              The maximum who makes the trunks not only for themselves is the Vyatka glades. But they have forged trunks.
              1. Kalmar
                Kalmar 11 December 2019 10: 15
                +2
                Quote: Fibrizio
                But table forms are bought. No manufacturer in the Russian Federation can make them a crowbar with the right qualities.

                Well there is one; this is already a problem of the lag in Russian metallurgy in certain areas. So no one forbids normal steel to be made.
                1. Fibrizio
                  Fibrizio 11 December 2019 10: 33
                  +1
                  "Normal" steel is the tip of the iceberg. Whatever it is, you need a strong scientific base in dozens of other industries and related high-tech industries.
                  This is not a barber shop, you can’t start doing it at the click, even if you fall in love with money, the return will be in years, if not decades.
                  1. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 11 December 2019 10: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Fibrizio
                    "Normal" steel is the tip of the iceberg. Whatever it is, you need a strong scientific base in dozens of other industries and related high-tech industries.

                    I strongly agree. I would like to believe that work in this direction is still underway somewhere.
                    1. Michael HORNET
                      Michael HORNET 3 January 2020 13: 23
                      0
                      That’s the problem with the plowman - that for a long time no one is interested in investments, it’s easier to invest in a shopping center. Hence the fundamental lag in all directions - thieves and hi-tech are not compatible
          2. Agrippa
            Agrippa 11 December 2019 14: 02
            0
            The ORSIS website says that a full production cycle has been established at the plant’s facilities. All parts are manufactured using the most modern equipment, ensuring high quality components at each stage of production. The main distinguishing feature of the modification are high-precision barrels ORSIS. In the basic configuration, the barrel is made of high-quality weapon steel by the method of turning using subsequent oxycarbonitration. It is possible to manufacture a barrel of 416R stainless steel using single-pass cutting technology, thereby significantly increasing the accuracy and resource of the rifle.
            Adarks are assembled from imported components, the trunks of Hammer Weapons LLC
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 11 December 2019 13: 58
      0
      Quote: Dikson
      And then the Shtatovs will not sue? Or so, get off with the next sanctions?

      What do you have to do with it? It may have a headache in ORSIS.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 11 December 2019 09: 12
    +1
    The news is ABOUT Nothing ... we can for lovers! Gunsmiths make analogues of foreign weapons ... common practice. This is a business, nothing personal.
  6. Yrec
    Yrec 11 December 2019 09: 15
    -1
    "The bullet of the cartridge is twice as heavy as the bullet of the American automatic cartridge 5,56 and, accordingly, has a lot of energy at all practical shooting ranges." But the speed is 5.56x45 - 990 m / s, and 7,62x39 - 715 m / s. We take a physics textbook and see that the energy is proportional to the mass and the SQUARE of the speed, therefore the muzzle energy is higher for the Kalash in the ratio of 2200 against 1800 J, i.e. about 20%. One hell, both are now too little to overcome PPE, and our cartridge also has no ballistics. We need a new cartridge with an energy of 4000-4500 J.
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 11 December 2019 09: 48
      0
      Such energy is not even in standard rifle cartridges.
      This is the energy of nine cartridges or some kind of magnums from 7.62 and higher.
      Your conscripts will close their eyes from fear when shooting, and the automation will die with terrible force.
      I shot from a bolt nine, amid my 308 it’s a monster. Entertaining to shoot from this is decidedly unpleasant.
      For example, it’s not just that tigers in 9ke disappeared, they say they couldn’t stand the return.
      And you are automatic =)
      1. Yrec
        Yrec 11 December 2019 10: 25
        -1
        Modern rifle ammunition, 7,62x54, 7,62x51 almost reaches 4000 J, if you decrease the caliber and increase the speed and lateral load on the bullet, you can reach the desired value and maintain an acceptable recoil. The main fire will, of course, be single. Simply, if in a few years the PPE is built into the exoskeleton, automatic ammunition can be thrown into the trash heap or used against the "Papuans" and for punitive purposes.
        1. Fibrizio
          Fibrizio 11 December 2019 10: 39
          0
          The energy there revolves around 3500. In any case, at 308.
          If I don’t understand something, then if you have 4000 JJ on the cut, then the return will be conditionally the same, that you fire a 90gr or 180gr bullet, it will be different speed simply.
          And so that 6,5 bullets, for example, had an energy of 4000 J or more, it clearly should have a velocity of more than 1000 m / s on the cut. Can you imagine the size of the sleeve? Or do you have tungsten bullets?

          No offense, these are some kind of wet dreams of a theorist.
          Look if you have already undertaken to offer a manual of vihtuviori. You can old. It says that a lot has been written at what speed, and most importantly what it flies on and how much to pour.
          Let me explain, this is the handbook of any person associated with the reload.
    2. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 3 January 2020 13: 26
      0
      Yes, where does the PPE, talking about a sports rifle
      The current Head of IPSC promised to make 7.62x39 a full-fledged major on any mass of the bullet (now it is major only with a pool of 9 g or more), so the appearance of a carbine based on the idea of ​​AR-15 but under the major 7.62x39 is a joyful event for athletes
  7. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 11 December 2019 09: 19
    -1
    If they started producing it, it means to whom it can be sold ... who will then figure out how the Houthis got American weapons, "brought" by the Houthi "left-handers" under the cartridge of "Soviet caliber" ... laughing
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 11 December 2019 09: 51
      0
      If they let her out in the normal 223 and 308 to one hundred square meters, and even with a normal accuracy and resource of more than 10 pops (not a barnaul of course), they will pick her up like hot cakes. Especially all kinds of practical shooting enthusiasts. This is a niche weapon (I don’t remember, we have 000x7.62 certified as sporting for them? I don’t remember, like yes).
      For hunting, bar2 or argo will come down completely from semiautomatic devices. Both to 200, and used for a hundred.
  8. Svetlana
    Svetlana 11 December 2019 09: 28
    0
    First paragraph: Launched into production.
    Second paragraph: Developed.
    Third: On testing.
    This begs the question, so anyway, developed and tested or launched into production? Indeed, the article is never clear.
    Or maybe she put into production a rifle that has not yet passed all the tests?
  9. Professor
    Professor 11 December 2019 09: 32
    +4
    Copied? They have a right. Patent number 3,236,155 was registered on 8.7.1964/1991/XNUMX. Accordingly, its validity expired already in XNUMX.
  10. Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 December 2019 09: 36
    +4
    A good thesis is to remake the rifle under a different cartridge.
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 11 December 2019 09: 44
      0
      She had previously been manufactured under this cartridge.
      At one time, a version was prepared for Afghanistan that was able to accept stores for AK. But did not receive distribution.
      The truth for whom they were delivered I do not remember. Either for the local ragged, or for the US special forces.
      There, in essence, only a new chamber and adjustment of the exhaust gas are needed. I won’t be surprised if the shutter went well from 308win
      1. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 3 January 2020 13: 29
        0
        Not so simple
        At 7.62x39, the diameter of the bottom of the sleeve is too large to port it directly - the resource is very low
        For the mind, you need to add the diameter of the bolt and everything else, which entails the withdrawal of ALL sizes
        The question is whether this was done in ORSIS or before us the primitive cut the AR-15 in 223, when the trunk can withstand 25 thousand, and the bolt will die on the fifth thousand
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    1. Charik
      Charik 11 December 2019 11: 19
      0
      And .... how did they go to scratch everything
  12. Amateur
    Amateur 11 December 2019 09: 47
    +5
    ORSIS is a private shop. Production volumes - dozens of pieces (subject to demand). The statement "An analogue has been created in Russia ..." can be just as well interpreted as "In Russia, all fleas can be shod!"
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 11 December 2019 11: 04
    -3
    From a series for an assortment, suddenly someone has money, like a fool in a shag, he wants to play Americanos.
    1. Strashila
      Strashila 11 December 2019 18: 25
      -2
      You can continue to minus, the essence of this trunk will not change. The issue is not the caliber, whether it is Russian or state, the matter is the work of the mechanics of this model. I looked on the Internet comparison of AK and M4, it became even more fun.
  14. Charik
    Charik 11 December 2019 11: 10
    0
    Well, okay, but everyone copies our AK, now ours have scratched the emka-if (should) in quality-THING then they will be sold a lot
  15. Yrec
    Yrec 11 December 2019 11: 33
    -1
    Quote: Fibrizio
    And so that 6,5 bullets, for example, had an energy of 4000 J or more, it clearly should have a velocity of more than 1000 m / s on the cut.

    That's right, mattresses are now sawing just such a cartridge. Trying to make a hybrid sleeve or even a sleeveless one. The plug at a speed of more than 1000 m / s is difficult to obtain a normal resource on the trunk, the composition of the powder is a secret.
  16. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 11 December 2019 11: 37
    -3
    Why copy old, failed foreign designs?
  17. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 11 December 2019 12: 26
    -2
    It is necessary to produce.
    Send to numerous landfills, including Siberia and the Far East.
    See how mechanics, sights, ergonomics work in our Russian conditions.
    Train personnel to use the weapons of a potential enemy.
    That our soldier understood the algorithm of actions of the American infantryman when firing.
    How does he eliminate failures and breakdowns.
    What fears, going with such a rifle into battle.
    This knowledge will help in the main thing - to win.
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 11 December 2019 13: 10
      0
      You compared. What goes into the NATO army, and what we produce, is like an original AK in Russian factories and an Indian licensed copy.
  18. Romanenko
    Romanenko 11 December 2019 13: 02
    0
    Interestingly, did we decide to re-equip the amers, or was there simply nothing to do?
    Type savvy another flea
    Let's Abrams rivet under the 125 mm gun with automatic loader.
    Something recently began to do a lot of such garbage ...
    Either the AR-15 was made from our materials, then the M-16 was under our cartridges.
    The only question is, why?
    Or maybe this is our insidious plan?
    Quietly at night we’ll replace all M-16s with M-16x7,62 in their army, they’ll gather for battle, but the cartridges don’t fit ...
    And then we have a lot of them and they will buy for each war as cute.
    And Russia will become rich, although it is unlikely that dollars are not provided with gold, just dirty paper.
    1. Interdum_silentium_volo
      Interdum_silentium_volo 11 December 2019 23: 14
      0
      Quote: Romanenko
      Interestingly, did we decide to re-equip the amers, or was there simply nothing to do?
      Type savvy another flea

      This is a civilian carbine. It is a private company. It produces it in order to earn money, the Russian civilian arms market, mainly consists of Kalashnikov’s clones, they are also taking on a new AR niche.
      The caliber was changed as it is one of the most affordable in our market than the native one (5,56 on45 mm)
      And you don’t need a lot of brains, you just need to know our market at least a little.
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  20. uav80
    uav80 11 December 2019 14: 51
    0
    Arch from Techcrim: TK515 was presented to the general public at the Arms & Hunting 2019 Weapon Exhibition, held from October 10 to 13, and in two purely Orthodox calibers at once: automatic 7,62 × 39 mm and .366TKM.

  21. Chever
    Chever 11 December 2019 19: 09
    0
    Why not? The cartridge is quite common. Will definitely find a buyer
  22. MITIAI 27
    MITIAI 27 11 December 2019 21: 02
    0
    Fine! Well done! she has a great future in the civilian market. In addition, it is an Orsis - the best serial manufacturers of trunks at the moment in Russia. It’s not that the famous Kalashnikov concern which, hands should be cut off for manufactured products,. The only thing that Orsis has is its trunks is tender, so the cartridge used should most likely be of high quality here or buy expensive cartridges or make them yourself. Although little is known about this rifle, maybe everything is hawala ... The price of 140000 tr is expensive but the average residents of megalopolises who are interested will be able to afford it. In a province where salaries are lower, only a few will be able to purchase ...
  23. Izotovp
    Izotovp 11 December 2019 22: 57
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    It seems that I was only interested in the phrase about the fact that the recoil has not changed compared to the 5,56 cartridge?