In Russia, they created an analogue of the American M-16 under the cartridge of the caliber 7,62X39 mm

In Russia, they developed a variant of the American assault rifle AR-15 (M-16) under the Soviet cartridge of caliber 7,62X39 mm. Also developed option with the ability to conduct automatic firing. This was reported by TASS with reference to the message of the company LLC "Promtehnologiya", which produces weapon under the brand name ORSIS.

The Russian company Promtekhnologiya launched at its facilities in Moscow the production of a variant of the American assault rifle AR-15 (M-16) for the caliber 7,62X39 mm. Rifles are equipped with high-precision barrels ORSIS.

The analogue of the American rifle AR-15 was tested in the "Russian" caliber 7,62x39 mm. The bullet of the cartridge is twice as heavy as the bullet of the American machine gun cartridge 5,56 and, accordingly, has great energy at all distances of practical shooting. Weight and recoil parameters did not increase compared to the smaller caliber

- reported in the company.

It is stated that the general shot at the resource during the tests, at the moment, exceeded 17 of thousands of shots, while the accuracy and accuracy indicators remained within the declared norm. The rifle also went through various climatic tests.

Earlier, in September, the company launched into mass production the ORSIS-AR15J rifle - an analogue of the American semi-automatic rifle AR-15 chambered for caliber 5,56x45 mm.

Comments

[Glory1974]

Russia has developed a variant of the American assault rifle AR-15 (M-16) under the Soviet cartridge of 7,62X39 mm caliber. Also developed option with the ability to conduct automatic firing.

I wonder why you need it? The Americans organized the production of our weapons, motivating that it is more suitable for various rebels. And now we will make and sell American weapons, to whom?
By the way, the Americans themselves are already abandoning their "shooters". The Marines are switching to German weapons, while the rest are choosing.

[zadorin1974]

Slava, this is a "pen-piece" for measuring with prichendaly. This news has already been nibbled for almost half a year in the back.
An anecdote to the topic-Two gopniks beat a Jew- (E) Why are you beating? - (D) You crucified our Christ! - (E) So that was more than 2000 years ago !!! - And we only found out today.

[Shurik70]

And who will be the buyer?
They definitely won’t take the army.
Collector lovers? So first you need to issue a law on the right to have weapons, so that such collectors appear among the people.
Oligarch Billionaires? Well, realize ten things. Well, let a hundred. And that’s it.

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, it's a matter of respect! The Americans produce AKM ... that means we are respected! Well, in Russia, as a sign of "reciprocal respect," they began to produce the M-16 .. Do you understand? "You respect him! ... He respects you! ... Both are now respected people!"

[Kalmar]

Quote: glory1974

I wonder why you need it?

As far as I understand, this is a civilian carbine. Needed for those who like the "arched" layout (and an assortment of all kinds of tuning, body kits, decorators), but the soul requires an Orthodox caliber 7,62.

Quote: glory1974

The Americans themselves organized the production of our weapons, motivating that it is more suitable for various rebels

The Americans, as I understand it, for the same reasons make civilian carbines based on AK. I didn’t hear something about the military Kalash of American production.

Quote: glory1974

By the way, the Americans themselves are already abandoning their "shooters". The Marines are switching to German weapons, while the rest are choosing.

The Marines are switching to the HK417 (like the index did not mess up), which, in fact, is the same AR-15, only with a slightly modified gas outlet: the piston was added. By the way, such a gas outlet can be installed on almost any "arch" - the corresponding kits are on sale.

[Civil]

Is it a misunderstanding from idleness or from extra money? AK what is bad?

[Kalmar]

Quote: Civil

AK what is bad?

From the series "Why does Nissan exist if there is already Toyota". Both the AK and the AR-15 have their own advantages, disadvantages and features. There is nothing wrong with products on different platforms on the market, and there everyone chooses according to their liking and wallet. And someone in their arsenal has both a Kalashoid and an arch.

[Doctor]

Is it a misunderstanding from idleness or from extra money? AK what is bad?

AK - a weapon for the militia. And now it's time for the professionals.

[Interdum_silentium_volo]

DO NOT RACE THE PURGU, it’s simple, it’s also a carbine in free sale in our country. For those who have issued a license for rifled. The caliber has been changed since it is our and easily accessible caliber. It is not 5,56 for 45 which we have limited release and costs more .

[Kalmar]

Quote: Arzt

AK - a weapon for the militia. And now it's time for the professionals.

If by "AK" we mean a machine gun specifically of the '47 model, then yes, only African partisans are fighting like that now.

If we talk about AK as a scheme / platform, then on this base it is easy to make cheap weapons "for extras" and more advanced products "for professionals." With the AR-15, in principle, the story is the same.

[Mavrikiy]

In Russia, they created an analogue of the American M-16 under the cartridge of the caliber 7,62X39 mm

And do we need this crap?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Especially after decades of recognition by experts (and not only ours) that weapons are not the best for warfare ...

[Michael HORNET]

And here the fighting. Pure sport rifle
Unfortunately, it is not clear, and the manufacturer does not explain whether this version is adapted for 7,62x39 ALL sizes or is it another primitive AR-15 alteration for 223
There that’s the whole point in different parameters of the bottom

[Den717]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And do we need this crap?

We, except for "amateurs" and some special forces, are unlikely. But for sale to countries that, for historical reasons, have large stocks of 7,62x39, it may do. Why not initially tune in to export to Asia and Africa, and even to Latin America?

[Incvizitor]

Well, there are all sorts of private fanatics of Western weapons they may need, although they would rather be laughed at for that.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And do we need this crap?

Orthodox cartridges have an "unpleasant" feature - bullets have steel shells. That any non-Orthodox barrel becomes worthless for several thousand rounds. And to buy kosher, with a copper sheath - three times more expensive.
So they did - a copy of American, but with Russian material science. And M-16, and steel bullets

[Vladimir_2U]

I do not understand, is it too much trouble or zrada? The company will personally raise the money for itself, on domestic idiots amerfilah, overpower. Damage to Russia, as the country-creator of Kalash, is evident.

[bessmertniy]

Well, if a company risks its money, then for God's sake. But budget funds in such projects should not be invested.

[Kurare]

Quote: bessmertniy

Well, if a company risks its money, then for God's sake.

Exactly to the point. ORSIS is a private company, there was no order from the Ministry of Defense for the development of an AR-15 clone. What does this mean? Either there is demand in the market, or the company is pumping its potential and testing new schemes in order to get some information about them. Those. development "on an initiative basis".

[Kalmar]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

I do not understand, is it too much trouble or zrada?

What does it have to do with it? Private company released a new product. It will be sold - well (what bad is it when a domestic company has honest business going uphill?).

And what does amerophilia have to do with it? It turns out that nothing can be taken into the hands of a Russian man, besides Kalash, because it’s just a bump? By the way, is it not disgusting for you to sit at your computers? He was also invented in these godless America))

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The company will personally raise the money for itself, on domestic fools amerfilah,

I’m glad for the company, even glad for the amerfil-fool, for the person who will lay out several tens of thousands of rubles. for the trunk, which only looks like an American, but with the money.

Quote: Kalmar

And what does amerophilia have to do with it? It turns out that nothing can be taken into the hands of a Russian man, besides Kalash, because immediately

Yes, please, no one has canceled collecting, the original M-16 in the shooter's collection should be, like the AK. I understand it. My computers are all Chinese, the tag doesn’t count

Quote: Kalmar

He, too, was invented in these godless America

Sorry, but this is stupid. They developed the idea, yes, but did not come up with it.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

even glad for the amerfil-fool, for the person who will lay out several tens of thousands of rubles. for a barrel that just looks like an American

Most buy these barrels not for "Americanness", but for certain characteristics and features that it possesses. For example, among the athletes at IPSC, many run with arches - they don't care about their origin, it is important for them to win the competition. Do not try to drag your ideological troubles to any nonsense.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

nobody has canceled collecting, the original M-16 in the shooter's collection should be, like the AK

And someone, imagine, also loves to shoot. Again, just shoot, just at targets, without ideological implications.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

My computers are all Chinese, the tag doesn’t count

It's funny. Processor, graphics chip, RAM chips, in general, all more or less basic components were developed by American firms; in China, only assembly lines. With this approach, the considered "arch" from ORSIS is the most Russian :)

[Dikson]

And then shtatovtsy will not sue? Or so, will we get off with the next sanctions? For so many years to find fault with the M-16, to fill up half the world with Kalashnikovs, then to "master" the release of the AR-15 ..?

[Zeev Zeev]

The States will not sue. M-16 with a free license, do whoever wants

[Vladimir_2U]

Oh, I didn’t know, I wanted to write about the license, but I got distracted and forgot.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

M-16 with a free license,

Amendment: not M-16 (a specific sample of army weapons), but AR-15 (count as a platform). And yes, it is licensed without problems; "Arches" now only the lazy does not.

[Fibrizio]

Only in Russia they make 2-3 places. Orsis, St. Petersburg Adarka and maybe another 1-2 firms.
There is a demand, only they are doing it strongly said. There, almost everything is imported.
Orsis fellow sharpening trunks himself.
Just ask a leading question, you think whose forms are there? We do not make them.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Fibrizio

Just ask a leading question, you think whose forms are there? We do not make them.

As far as I understand, there are problems of a purely economic and industrial nature. Well i.e. some parts are easier to buy abroad than trying to make by yourself. It is difficult and expensive for small enterprises (such as Orsys) to establish a full production cycle. Large (TOZ, Izhmash, VPO) - just not interesting because of the small runs.

[Fibrizio]

They grind their details on the CNC. They have machines. So there are just no problems with manufacturing. AR has everything from alloy (well, almost everything).
But table forms are bought. No manufacturer in the Russian Federation can make them a crowbar with the right qualities.
The maximum who makes the trunks not only for themselves is the Vyatka glades. But they have forged trunks.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Fibrizio

But table forms are bought. No manufacturer in the Russian Federation can make them a crowbar with the right qualities.

Well there is one; this is already a problem of the lag in Russian metallurgy in certain areas. So no one forbids normal steel to be made.

[Fibrizio]

"Normal" steel is the tip of the iceberg. Whatever it is, you need a strong scientific base in dozens of other industries and related high-tech industries.
This is not a barber shop, you can’t start doing it at the click, even if you fall in love with money, the return will be in years, if not decades.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Fibrizio

"Normal" steel is the tip of the iceberg. Whatever it is, you need a strong scientific base in dozens of other industries and related high-tech industries.

I strongly agree. I would like to believe that work in this direction is still underway somewhere.

[Michael HORNET]

That’s the problem with the plowman - that for a long time no one is interested in investments, it’s easier to invest in a shopping center. Hence the fundamental lag in all directions - thieves and hi-tech are not compatible

[Agrippa]

The ORSIS website says that a full production cycle has been established at the plant’s facilities. All parts are manufactured using the most modern equipment, ensuring high quality components at each stage of production. The main distinguishing feature of the modification are high-precision barrels ORSIS. In the basic configuration, the barrel is made of high-quality weapon steel by the method of turning using subsequent oxycarbonitration. It is possible to manufacture a barrel of 416R stainless steel using single-pass cutting technology, thereby significantly increasing the accuracy and resource of the rifle.
Adarks are assembled from imported components, the trunks of Hammer Weapons LLC

[Piramidon]

Quote: Dikson

And then the Shtatovs will not sue? Or so, get off with the next sanctions?

What do you have to do with it? It may have a headache in ORSIS.

[rocket757]

The news is ABOUT Nothing ... we can for lovers! Gunsmiths make analogues of foreign weapons ... common practice. This is a business, nothing personal.

[Yrec]

"The bullet of the cartridge is twice as heavy as the bullet of the American automatic cartridge 5,56 and, accordingly, has a lot of energy at all practical shooting ranges." But the speed is 5.56x45 - 990 m / s, and 7,62x39 - 715 m / s. We take a physics textbook and see that the energy is proportional to the mass and the SQUARE of the speed, therefore the muzzle energy is higher for the Kalash in the ratio of 2200 against 1800 J, i.e. about 20%. One hell, both are now too little to overcome PPE, and our cartridge also has no ballistics. We need a new cartridge with an energy of 4000-4500 J.

[Fibrizio]

Such energy is not even in standard rifle cartridges.
This is the energy of nine cartridges or some kind of magnums from 7.62 and higher.
Your conscripts will close their eyes from fear when shooting, and the automation will die with terrible force.
I shot from a bolt nine, amid my 308 it’s a monster. Entertaining to shoot from this is decidedly unpleasant.
For example, it’s not just that tigers in 9ke disappeared, they say they couldn’t stand the return.
And you are automatic =)

[Yrec]

Modern rifle ammunition, 7,62x54, 7,62x51 almost reaches 4000 J, if you decrease the caliber and increase the speed and lateral load on the bullet, you can reach the desired value and maintain an acceptable recoil. The main fire will, of course, be single. Simply, if in a few years the PPE is built into the exoskeleton, automatic ammunition can be thrown into the trash heap or used against the "Papuans" and for punitive purposes.

[Fibrizio]

The energy there revolves around 3500. In any case, at 308.
If I don’t understand something, then if you have 4000 JJ on the cut, then the return will be conditionally the same, that you fire a 90gr or 180gr bullet, it will be different speed simply.
And so that 6,5 bullets, for example, had an energy of 4000 J or more, it clearly should have a velocity of more than 1000 m / s on the cut. Can you imagine the size of the sleeve? Or do you have tungsten bullets?

No offense, these are some kind of wet dreams of a theorist.
Look if you have already undertaken to offer a manual of vihtuviori. You can old. It says that a lot has been written at what speed, and most importantly what it flies on and how much to pour.
Let me explain, this is the handbook of any person associated with the reload.

[Michael HORNET]

Yes, where does the PPE, talking about a sports rifle
The current Head of IPSC promised to make 7.62x39 a full-fledged major on any mass of the bullet (now it is major only with a pool of 9 g or more), so the appearance of a carbine based on the idea of ​​AR-15 but under the major 7.62x39 is a joyful event for athletes

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

If they started producing it, it means to whom it can be sold ... who will then figure out how the Houthis got American weapons, "brought" by the Houthi "left-handers" under the cartridge of "Soviet caliber" ...

[Fibrizio]

If they let her out in the normal 223 and 308 to one hundred square meters, and even with a normal accuracy and resource of more than 10 pops (not a barnaul of course), they will pick her up like hot cakes. Especially all kinds of practical shooting enthusiasts. This is a niche weapon (I don’t remember, we have 000x7.62 certified as sporting for them? I don’t remember, like yes).
For hunting, bar2 or argo will come down completely from semiautomatic devices. Both to 200, and used for a hundred.

[Svetlana]

First paragraph: Launched into production.
Second paragraph: Developed.
Third: On testing.
This begs the question, so anyway, developed and tested or launched into production? Indeed, the article is never clear.
Or maybe she put into production a rifle that has not yet passed all the tests?

[Professor]

Copied? They have a right. Patent number 3,236,155 was registered on 8.7.1964/1991/XNUMX. Accordingly, its validity expired already in XNUMX.

[Pavel57]

A good thesis is to remake the rifle under a different cartridge.

[Fibrizio]

She had previously been manufactured under this cartridge.
At one time, a version was prepared for Afghanistan that was able to accept stores for AK. But did not receive distribution.
The truth for whom they were delivered I do not remember. Either for the local ragged, or for the US special forces.
There, in essence, only a new chamber and adjustment of the exhaust gas are needed. I won’t be surprised if the shutter went well from 308win

[Michael HORNET]

Not so simple
At 7.62x39, the diameter of the bottom of the sleeve is too large to port it directly - the resource is very low
For the mind, you need to add the diameter of the bolt and everything else, which entails the withdrawal of ALL sizes
The question is whether this was done in ORSIS or before us the primitive cut the AR-15 in 223, when the trunk can withstand 25 thousand, and the bolt will die on the fifth thousand

[Charik]

And .... how did they go to scratch everything

[Amateur]

ORSIS is a private shop. Production volumes - dozens of pieces (subject to demand). The statement "An analogue has been created in Russia ..." can be just as well interpreted as "In Russia, all fleas can be shod!"

[Strashila]

From a series for an assortment, suddenly someone has money, like a fool in a shag, he wants to play Americanos.

[Strashila]

You can continue to minus, the essence of this trunk will not change. The issue is not the caliber, whether it is Russian or state, the matter is the work of the mechanics of this model. I looked on the Internet comparison of AK and M4, it became even more fun.

[Charik]

Well, okay, but everyone copies our AK, now ours have scratched the emka-if (should) in quality-THING then they will be sold a lot

[Yrec]

Quote: Fibrizio

And so that 6,5 bullets, for example, had an energy of 4000 J or more, it clearly should have a velocity of more than 1000 m / s on the cut.

That's right, mattresses are now sawing just such a cartridge. Trying to make a hybrid sleeve or even a sleeveless one. The plug at a speed of more than 1000 m / s is difficult to obtain a normal resource on the trunk, the composition of the powder is a secret.

[Sapsan136]

Why copy old, failed foreign designs?

[Paul Siebert]

It is necessary to produce.
Send to numerous landfills, including Siberia and the Far East.
See how mechanics, sights, ergonomics work in our Russian conditions.
Train personnel to use the weapons of a potential enemy.
That our soldier understood the algorithm of actions of the American infantryman when firing.
How does he eliminate failures and breakdowns.
What fears, going with such a rifle into battle.
This knowledge will help in the main thing - to win.

[Fibrizio]

You compared. What goes into the NATO army, and what we produce, is like an original AK in Russian factories and an Indian licensed copy.

[Romanenko]

Interestingly, did we decide to re-equip the amers, or was there simply nothing to do?
Type savvy another flea
Let's Abrams rivet under the 125 mm gun with automatic loader.
Something recently began to do a lot of such garbage ...
Either the AR-15 was made from our materials, then the M-16 was under our cartridges.
The only question is, why?
Or maybe this is our insidious plan?
Quietly at night we’ll replace all M-16s with M-16x7,62 in their army, they’ll gather for battle, but the cartridges don’t fit ...
And then we have a lot of them and they will buy for each war as cute.
And Russia will become rich, although it is unlikely that dollars are not provided with gold, just dirty paper.

[Interdum_silentium_volo]

Quote: Romanenko

Interestingly, did we decide to re-equip the amers, or was there simply nothing to do?
Type savvy another flea

This is a civilian carbine. It is a private company. It produces it in order to earn money, the Russian civilian arms market, mainly consists of Kalashnikov’s clones, they are also taking on a new AR niche.
The caliber was changed as it is one of the most affordable in our market than the native one (5,56 on45 mm)
And you don’t need a lot of brains, you just need to know our market at least a little.

[uav80]

Arch from Techcrim: TK515 was presented to the general public at the Arms & Hunting 2019 Weapon Exhibition, held from October 10 to 13, and in two purely Orthodox calibers at once: automatic 7,62 × 39 mm and .366TKM.

[Chever]

Why not? The cartridge is quite common. Will definitely find a buyer

[MITIAI 27]

Fine! Well done! she has a great future in the civilian market. In addition, it is an Orsis - the best serial manufacturers of trunks at the moment in Russia. It’s not that the famous Kalashnikov concern which, hands should be cut off for manufactured products,. The only thing that Orsis has is its trunks is tender, so the cartridge used should most likely be of high quality here or buy expensive cartridges or make them yourself. Although little is known about this rifle, maybe everything is hawala ... The price of 140000 tr is expensive but the average residents of megalopolises who are interested will be able to afford it. In a province where salaries are lower, only a few will be able to purchase ...

[Izotovp]

It seems that I was only interested in the phrase about the fact that the recoil has not changed compared to the 5,56 cartridge?