“Not hypersound, but more ships”: US Navy made its choice

The US naval forces are agitated: they rush from one extreme to the other, trying to choose a way to increase their combat potential. The successive leadership adheres to diametrically opposed views, relying on an increase in the number of pennants or on arming ships with the latest systems.

According to Defense News, former Navy minister Richard Spencer argued that while the goal of having a large fleet would be “desirable,” emphasis should be placed on unlocking the full combat potential of fewer ships by re-equipping them.

However, his successor Thomas Modley announced plans to increase the maritime grouping to 355 pennants. This goal was first set by the head of the White House, Donald Trump, during the 2016 presidential campaign of the year.

[355 ships] is declared as a national policy. We have a goal 355; we have no plan for 355

- said Modly on December 5.

He expects to achieve this figure, including underwater and surface drones, by 2030 year. In this regard, from his words, he will have to fight for funds from the Pentagon, abandoning his desire to get as much hypersonic as possible weapons.

We would have to lobby for it, prove and knock out a large share of the budget in the Pentagon’s halls [...] How many more hypersonic weapons do we need? Where do we put it?

- notes the acting Minister in official correspondence.

His approach coincides with the statements by Robert O'Brien, US National Security Advisor. He noted that Trump is serious about building up. fleet, which currently has only 292 ships at its disposal. He added that the goal of 355 pennants should be achieved “not in decades”, but much earlier.

Comments

[Same lech]

I am not a supporter of aircraft carriers and I am absolutely convinced that these dinosaurs of the Cold War will die out purely evolutionarily ... well, I do not believe that the USAG can withstand the simultaneous attack of a dozen hypersonic missiles.
Purely mathematically, it’s cheaper to produce a hundred hypersonic missiles capable of penetrating any air defense or missile defense than a dozen aircraft carriers that cost a gigantic budget with a dubious result.

[Mavrikiy]

TMV no one wants to unleash. And to decide in it who is right will be nuclear weapons.
And for the US military pressure on the world of ACG is quite suitable.

[Shurik70]

“Not hypersound, but more ships”: US Navy made its choice

Great choice. For the world.
The faster the US economy collapses, the better for humanity.
Although, of course, the fall of the dollar for all economies will be a shock. But in five years everything will settle down, and in the end there will be more autonomy and stability.

[BARKAS]

All this may be another planned disinformation in order to mislead a potential adversary.

[bayard]

Quote: BARKAS

All this may be another planned disinformation in order to mislead a potential adversary.

Or maybe this desire to load up defense industry enterprises with orders again and pull the country out of the crisis through a new arms race. With reaganomics, they did it, besides Trump supports exactly the American - continental business, and first of all the military-industrial complex. And the defense industry must be fed for support.
It will be very difficult to do this (355 pennants) - they have a lot of old ships, they have already lined up for decommissioning, they would have to be in time to replace the decommissioned ones in operation. And ships are getting more expensive. Here, even without re-equipment for hypersound, it would be possible to cope ... with the construction in exchange for those withdrawn from the composition, while maintaining the previous total number ... And here, give hypersound and the number of outfits ... They have trouble ... The Chinese are catching up. In 10-15 years they will go on a par with the fleet. At least in the number of pennants.

[Vladimir1155]

do you really not understand that the United States itself will not collapse, they are building their fleet on the money received from silanov and nabiulina through VAT refunds offshore companies and "sovereign" funds, as well as from the same occupation administrations of all countries of the world, except for the rogue country of North Korea

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: vladimir1155

on money received from siluanova and nabiulina through VAT refund offshore

Oh yeah, what are you talking about? With their pennies, when are the Irish Mafiosi tossing trillions? Each ship bolt is $ 100. Irish orphans became hungry in 1904, still have not eaten!

[DRM]

Quote: Shurik70

The faster the US economy collapses, the better for humanity.
Although, of course, the fall of the dollar for all economies will be a shock. But in five years everything will settle down, and in the end there will be more autonomy and stability.

It is known from history that with the fall of the old hegemon, an era of redistribution of its former assets begins in the world. So that there will be more wars. Then a new hegemon will appear - again redistribution / wars, until he asserts his dominance. So that "we only dream about peace."

[Grits]

Quote: Shurik70

The faster the US economy collapses, the better for humanity.
Although, of course, the fall of the dollar for all economies will be a shock. But in five years everything will settle down, and in the end there will be more autonomy and stability.

And I also pray for the "Yellow Stone" ...

[vadim dok]

There is a saying: While a fat one has lost weight, a thin one will die!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And for the US military pressure on the world of ACG is quite suitable.

Well I do not know. Eun, it seems, did not push ...

[yustas]

AUG can only be used for small countries, in terms of pressure, and since they are only an expensive toy, in most cases

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Mavrikiy

decide in it who is right will be nuclear weapons.

Well, that goes without saying.

Quote: Mavrikiy

AUG is quite suitable for US military pressure on the world.

So, nevertheless, nuclear weapons or aug? And yes, very mattresses crushed the same DPRK?

[Vladimir_2U]

It is unlikely to resist the already released ones, but it is quite possible to intercept carriers before launch.

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Purely mathematically cheaper to produce a hundred hypersonic missiles

It is not enough to produce, it is necessary to find the target, bring the missiles to the launch line, ensure the capture of the target of the GOS, break through the obstacles, even if the air defense cannot keep the blow ... It’s just that math does not work here.

[Same lech]

need to find a target, bring missiles to the launch line

I agree ... for this we have a space constellation of spy satellites.
How a hyper-rocket will break through interference and how a target capture occurs I have a vague idea and how else is it safe to get to the ACG at a distance of a guaranteed blow here is another question ... I think smart heads in our military-industrial complex will find a solution to this issue.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

for this we have a space constellation of spy satellites

I’m afraid to disappoint you, and even more afraid to disappoint myself, but strongly doubt the adequate number of such satellites in Russia.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

in an adequate number of such satellites in Russia

Why? Earth sensing satellites will not be able to detect AUG? It's just that the satellites have become both autonomous and "multifunctional" ... And it is not the AUG that interests them more, but the nuclear submarine of the potential enemy. AUG are peacetime "clubs". IMHO, they will be slammed in passing, if, God forbid, earthlings decide to go back to the primitive - cave state.

[Vladimir_2U]

Do we have many of these satellites? In what ranges and with what resolution do they work? Can they give guidance? Do I ask a lot of questions? )))

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Do we have many of these satellites

A lot of. AUG will see. Even a fishing boat. The permission is awesome. All satellites that are considered peaceful, in the event of a mess, will be mobilized for "military needs." And target designation ...?
There is a reference to the coordinates with an accuracy of at least a few meters. Enough?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

If you prove the opposite, then I will only be glad

I am glad that you use Wikipedia as a source of "the ultimate truth"
And I'm wondering what my neighbors are doing here? And they load and load units of equipment for these satellites ... To a landfill, or what?

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, give a link. Naturally, I have no desire to shovel the load of our launch vehicles in five years. On wiki, people post and edit fond articles. Trust them mostly.

[DRM]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Do we have many of these satellites

A lot of. AUG will see. Even a fishing boat. The permission is awesome. All satellites that are considered peaceful, in the event of a mess, will be mobilized for "military needs." And target designation ...?
There is a reference to the coordinates with an accuracy of at least a few meters. Enough?

Recently, there was an article at the VO, a review of the Chinese press on the subject of satellite constellations. Basically, it was about GLONASS / GPS compared to Beidou, but the conclusions apply to other types of satellites. So, the Chinese believe that the American group is rapidly becoming obsolete and the Russian group is no longer considered a competitor.

[Vladimir_2U]

He cited a link to Wiki on our satellite constellation, for some reason admins hacked it. Maybe in the rules of the site which is not noticed.

[Vasyan1971]

As in the joke:
There are two news, bad and good. Bad - Saddam got an atomic bomb. Good - he can leave her only with a camel.

[Vladimir_2U]

A funny joke, but fortunately not about us.

[Genry]

Quote: voyaka uh

There are almost no supersonic anti-ship missiles.

In Russia, anti-aircraft missiles, supersonic from birth, have always been used as small anti-ship missiles.
And now, even cruise missiles can have a configuration when the warhead accelerates ... at the turn of the enemy’s air defense / missile breakthrough ..

[donavi49]

All these wunderwafers (hypersound, subtle and maneuvering RCC supersonic) - have several VERY STRONG VULNERABILITIES:

- this is not a generic answer. Again, I repeat, in the presence of resources, everyone is trying to symmetry with minor corrections. For there is less risk. If the approach turns out to be a dead end, then the enemy will also be a dead end. If it’s not symmetrical, it can either be lucky - you have ok, but your opponent isn’t ok, and not lucky - if your opponent is ok and your wunderwaffles are not ready or do not work as planned. And when it opens, it will be too late to do something.

- This is a purely defensive weapon. Again in history, those who gave the initiative and tried to go on the defensive usually lost in the end. In addition, this approach makes it limited. Wunderwaffles can only be used against a serious enemy who has attacked a country.

- This is an inflexible weapon. Again, if the other side can tactically and strategically combine tactical forces, then there will be no real goals, and the breakthrough of air defense / missile defense can also be minimized by carriers.

At the same time, a large fleet:
- universal. Any Papuan (and not even Papuan, but a completely normal country with a thread fleet and the Air Force in 30-40 airborne 4 generations) can be kicked off and go to useful resources.
- has the initiative. The owner of such a fleet, he decides when, where and with whom he will fight.
- is flexible. You can compose the necessary strike groups for any task, taking into account risks and opposing forces.

[voyaka uh]

"simultaneous raid of a dozen hypersonic missiles" ////
----
Just explain, please, what do you call a hypersonic rocket?
Give an example of the name of at least one hypersonic rocket?
There are almost no supersonic anti-ship missiles.
90% of anti-ship missiles are subsonic. At the terminal section, some of them switch to supersonic.

[knn54]

Here, one does not interfere with the other. The Yankees are more concerned about the number of pennants in the Chinese Navy.

[Andriy Shevchik]

1. Zircon reaches 5 mahs only above the Armstrong line ~ 18 m where low pressure, Zircon has an accelerating detachable step to reach such a height. At low altitude, the Zircon will have only 000 swing when hovering over a maneuverable target. All this hype vokug hypersound is pure illiterate propaganda

For clarity, the hypersonic flight of the X-51A, as you can see on the graph, the speed 5 max reached 60 feet and the higher the height the higher the speed. At low altitude, all missiles and planes lose speed several times due to air pressure.

2. A dagger can only hit ships in ports at anchor that don’t move. A military source told the Gazet that a dagger cannot hit floating ships in the sea. The large mass of the dagger and the used engine make it useless, so no one in the world does ballistic anti-ship missiles, only winged ones.
So it's early to write off American aircraft carriers

[sentaniel]

Quote: Andriy Shevchik

no one in the world does ballistic anti-ship missiles, only winged ones.

Tell it to China with its DF-21

[Evil Booth]

here the power of the hegemon defends the sector at 45 degrees by panama))))))))))))))))

[rocket757]

They want to earn not only Lockheed!
Many ships, many, many workers will be at work, many times more than during the construction of rockets !!!
Moreover, it will be MANY WORKERS, not eggheads who vote a little for Trump!
In my opinion, there is more politics than military necessity!

[Krasnodar]

The Americans are not counting on quantity for the first time in history - they decided to solve the problems of LB lease convoys of the World Bank and the USSR with German submarines by building more guards than the Germans could sink)).

[rocket757]

Welcome

Quote: Krasnodar

The Americans bet on quantity is not the first time in history

Yes, they are not the first to take the optimal, as it seems to them, decisions and concentrate on solving a specific problem! THEY CAN!
And now, it may well be that they will solve a specific problem .... this is normal for them.
We can only look from the outside and solve our specific problems ... if we can?

[bessmertniy]

They will have 350 - they will want to get to 500, and there, up to a thousand. But there is nothing reasonable in this. The US Navy, therefore, has superiority that will continue in the next decade.

[rocket757]

Quote: bessmertniy

But there is nothing reasonable in this.

The question is not about the rational, but about how they consider it necessary ....
I propose an assessment option - This is a policy for internal use. Ahead of the election, and many orders for the fleet, this is MANY WORKING PLACES! Trump PROMISED !!!

[Grits]

Quote: rocket757

Many ships, many, many workers will be at work, many times more than during the construction of rockets !!!

I also immediately thought about this. Thousands of times more people are involved in the construction of one aircraft carrier than in the construction of one rocket. ... Jobs, taxes, purchasing power, industrial development, .. People are happy.

[rocket757]

Quote: Gritsa

Jobs, taxes, purchasing power, industrial development, .. People are happy.

These are the voters! That is the class that basically voted for Trump!
Good move, good, good deal.

[Mavrikiy]

“Not hypersound, but more ships”: US Navy made its choice

Clearly, US hypersound is not amenable.

[Vladimir_2U]

Not yet succumbing. But even with the capabilities available, the Russian fleet is not opposed to the US fleet, unfortunately.

[rocket757]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Clearly, US hypersound is not amenable.

It is hard to imagine that the Yankees cannot solve any problem if they "stick with the horn" ... of course, if the task is feasible at all, for objective reasons!

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Russia is not opposed to the US Navy, unfortunately.

It is necessary to set feasible tasks ... butting with the Yankees, in the naval sphere, the task is overwhelming in direct confrontation / competition. Okay, to protect ourselves as we can ... these are sound arguments, this is done, and then do what is necessary in the first place.
So it was, it will be so .....

[Grits]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Not yet succumbing. But even with the capabilities available, the Russian fleet is not opposed to the US fleet, unfortunately.

Unfortunately, the hypersound in the United States is still sooner or later, but will appear. There, scientists are not stupid guys either. But we will never have such a fleet.

[Dr. Barmaley]

“Not hypersound, but more ships”: US Navy made its choice

Zergrash aircraft carriers ...

[Indifferent]

They have long torn the gut. Now they increase the number of pennants in that they extend the service life of old ships. Those already barely keep on the water, and they still have to swim for a dozen years. Cheesy politics! They do not have enough repair facilities to keep all this junk in working condition. And it's expensive to contain trash. Repairing the old trough is more expensive, building a new ship. But they no longer have resources for the new. No wonder now almost all aircraft carriers are standing against the wall and are waiting for repairs. There was no one to go to combat services. Now they have an armada on paper. But in real life there is old rubbish, which is scary to push away from the pier. Plus, arrogant women serve on ships and create outrageous outrages.

[tlauicol]

Sea control — trade control — control of the global economy. With the help of the ocean fleet is achieved, with the help of zircon is not. Yankees are doing everything right, we are wasting money

[Vadim237]

One FIG the entire world ocean, even having 355 large warships, they will not be able to control.

[tlauicol]

and we ? in any case, we will get crumbs from the table of the global economy. without any war

[rotmistr60]

“Not hypersound, but more ships”

I understand this as the fact that the lack of brains can be compensated for by an excess of money.

[Vladimir1155]

US aggressive plans are clear, attack all countries that have not bought Russian weapons and rob them, hold a flag in your hands and a drum on your neck, but don’t pop into Russia!

[cniza]

He noted that Trump is serious about building up the fleet, which currently has only 292 ships at its disposal. He added that the goal of 355 pennants should be achieved “not in decades”, but much earlier.

Trump is a businessman, and these are jobs, taxes ..., well, the capitalists are not offended.

[Petrol cutter]

Well done Trump. He thinks about people. This is a charitable deed.
It is necessary that we begin to think.

[cniza]

Attempts are made, but so far it’s weak ...

[askort154]

The US naval forces are agitated: they rush from one extreme to the other, trying to choose a way to increase their combat potential.

Everything is logical. The United States is beginning to understand that they cannot rule the whole world. In past centuries, the Anglo-Saxons colonized the country, only due to the navy, which was not opposed. Now the opposition to the fleet has increased dramatically. The fleet ceases to be invulnerable, and the costs of its maintenance
very great. Already, the United States is difficult to ensure high combat readiness of its fleet. So out of 11 aircraft carriers, only 2-3 are always on alert.
If the state has aggressive goals, then it needs a powerful fleet, and if the state sets its goal - only to protect its territory, not claiming to seize the enemy’s territory, then it needs a fleet in reasonable sufficiency, to strengthen the defense in its security zone. And to contain and parity, it is necessary to have a powerful submarine fleet, and a powerful space missile component of the country's strategic defense. On which we are emphasizing.
Therefore, the Americans are "thinking" what they are now going to stake on.

[Dikson]

Our planet is surrounded by oceans .. whose fleet is the one that drives it .. In the end, the ocean fleet can simply block shipping in any region of the globe .. The fleet will help to deliver the necessary number of troops and equipment to any point .. The fleet can provide control over the air space in a given water area .. The fleet can lock up enemy strike submarines in its bases. You are not planning to use a nuclear club for any reason .. But a large naval formation may force an opponent country to reconsider its policy ..

[Petrol cutter]

* He noted that Trump is serious about building up the fleet, which currently has only 292 ships at its disposal. He added that the goal of 355 pennants should be achieved “not in decades”, but much earlier. *
That is why I personally always reported that we do not need to chase the enemy in the number of vessels. Do not ever steal. It is necessary not to take quantity, but quality. No options. In my provincial view.

[Andriy Shevchik]

1. Zircon reaches 5 mahs only above the Armstrong line ~ 18 m where low pressure, Zircon has an accelerating detachable step to reach such a height. At low altitude, the Zircon will have only 000 swing when hovering over a maneuverable target. All this hype around hypersound is pure illiterate propaganda.

Pink shows the corridor for hypersonic missiles with scramjet engine, the ratio of speed and height.

For clarity, the flight of the hypersonic X-51A in the video, as you can see on the graph, the speed 5 max is reached at about 60 feet and the higher the height, the higher the speed. At low altitude, all missiles and planes lose speed several times due to air pressure.
2. A dagger can only hit ships in anchored ports that don’t move. A military source told the newspaper Vzglyad, a dagger cannot hit floating ships in the sea. The large mass of the Dagger and the used engine make it useless - speed is catastrophically lost at low altitudes of any maneuvers, so no one in the world does ballistic anti-ship missiles, only winged ones.
So, it's too early to write off American aircraft carriers ...
3. There is a Vunderwafel Vanguard, but it will have tens of kilometers of deviation, due to the difficultly calculated unbalistic trajectory for modern computer-based ANS on-board systems, which makes it a useless type of weapon for today, accepted only for the prestige of the homeland.
Modern descent space vehicles including Soyuz-TMA have 10km-30km deviations for half an hour of planning in a plasma at 6000km before the parachute is launched. The avant-garde needs to be refined for decades to acceptable accuracy ... Americans know this, so they focused on low-level gliders capable of planning below 35000m where GPS, TERCOM works, large nuclear gliders for ICBMs are still considered ineffective in the USA and do not develop such a program

[Operator]

Quote: Andriy Shevchyk

Zircon reaches 5 mahs only above the Armstrong line ~ 18m where low pressure, Zircon has an accelerating detachable step to reach such a height. At low altitude, the Zircon will have only 000 swing when hovering over a maneuverable target. All this hype vokug hypersound is pure illiterate propaganda

The flight path of the Zircon (as well as any cruise missile with a motorized hypersound) consists of three sections:
- accelerating section with a climb (40 km) and speed (> 5M) using a starting solid propellant motor;
- the marching section at a distance of ~ 1000 km using hypersonic ramjet;
- diving at the target with the implementation of the anti-zenith maneuver "snake" with braking to a speed of <5M to exit the plasma formation mode and turn on the active radar seeker.

PS Hype around "Zircon" is now generated by the United States, not us

[Andriy Shevchik]

Why perform an anti-aircraft maneuver "snake" at a speed higher than Mach 5, when at such a speed no one can intercept you anyway? )))) you reprinted nonsense.
To achieve 5 max, you do not need a height of 40 km, such a great height is needed for 9 max. Create 9 max. scramjet missiles are unrealistic for today.
In dense atmospheric layers, natural braking occurs to a supersonic speed when diving, if the rocket still tries to maneuver the speed will immediately drop to ~ 1mach.

Here is a dive of a hypersonic missile into the ground without pointing even where it was further indicated by the text that pointing, maneuvering catastrophically reduces the speed to 1 Mach or subsonic speed.
The higher the speed, the higher the temperature of the rakeia, thereby reducing the penetration of the rocket, making the skin lighter when it hits, the rocket will expand almost like liquid metal against the hardened metal body of an aircraft carrier that can withstand the blow of even large enemy naval guns in which 3-armor-piercing ammunition. The amount of explosives in a hypersonic missile is not more than in ATGMs, due to their small size.
The dagger can not be attributed to this schedule, the dagger does not have a scramjet, it has lower speeds at the terminal stage, but is just a ballistic missile.
Hyip around Zircon is created in Russia, then it is reprinted in the USA.
The National Interest, owned by Dmitry Simes, a political scientist who runs on Solovyov’s programs, he bought the magazine in 2001.
The Military Watch magazine the personal blog of a resident of Britain Abraham Aita, the dude is sitting at home with a coffee maker, constantly praises Russian weapons, his traffic is 60% dependent on Sputnik, RT ... he even put the su-27 on the logo)), and the Russian media give out his opinion allegedly this is the opinion of an authoritative American publication)))
Here is his photo

These two fake publications give out 90% of all news in the West about Russian weapons. Think about it, you live in a matrix, everything is fake ... The media have been creating a hurray-patriotic mythology based on a purchased opinion for years. "American experts have recognized the superiority of Russian ..." and so every day

[Operator]

Quote: Andriy Shevchyk

at a speed above 5 max, when at that speed no one can intercept you anyway

SM-6, S-400 anti-aircraft missiles and their analogs are designed to intercept air targets at speeds from 5 to 16 M. The only problem is the ratio of available overloads of hypersonic and anti-aircraft missiles - when the double threshold is exceeded, the first becomes unattainable for the second.

A hypersonic missile (its detachable warhead) uses the accumulated kinetic energy (speed plus marching flight) to dive at a target, therefore aerodynamic drag (within specified limits) is compensated by the consumption of kinetic energy.

[Andriy Shevchik]

Yes, it is compensated, only you will not get hypersound at the final stage anyway, after 18000m an emergency natural slowdown begins.
Honestly, it sounds fantastic for 5-16 moves, 5 moves ~ 1700 m / s ... until the radio wave leaves the radar and returns the hypersonic missile will fly more than 100 meters if we talk about an altitude just below 18000m ... while the speed is constantly changing like this how a rocket slows down.
How can I calculate the interception point, I do not quite understand, it is rather on the verge. As far as I know, the ARGSN itself in a rocket is not capable of calculating such speeds, to intercept more than 5max it is necessary to use the infrared seeker and the radio command homing method like on THAAD, however, in low atmospheric layers the IR sensor overheats.

[Operator]

For the 48N6DM anti-aircraft missile of the S-400 complex, the speed of intercepted air targets is 4800 m / s (with a maximum anti-aircraft missile speed of 2500 m / s at the end of the solid propellant rocket launcher).

At speeds of anti-aircraft missiles and anti-missiles in excess of 5M in the atmosphere, a freon is injected from the end of the rocket to penetrate the plasma cocoon with the aim of its radio command guidance using ground-based radar and transmitting the target’s coordinates via a radio channel.

[Evil Booth]

the speed of this Zur at the start is 4,5 kmf, the flight speed is 3,9 average on the path of 1,3 kmf, by analogy, the thin shell with 1,2 kmf at a distance of 18 km already has 0,7 kmf. however, at a range of 200, the current or even the average will be all 2-2,5 kmf, this is the boundary for intercepting f35 before launching a new karma at 170 km at an altitude of 15 km otherwise the karma will not fly 170. proofs in any sense

[Evil Booth]

vabscheto in a plasma a subject flying spreads the air in front of him as a cavern of a squall moves the water

[Operator]

The bow shock wave (the main reason for the increased aerodynamic drag) on ​​the Zircon's hypersound / supersonic does not disappear anywhere.

Shkval has no bow shock wave due to the torpedo's subsonic speed - 100 m / s compared to 1500 m / s (the speed of sound in water).

[Evil Booth]

In general, the plasma touching the air makes it near zero density, and the residues support its existence sobs on the frontal EPR plasma was pulled back in the USSR, but as a stealth coating, this was declassified and announced as normal. shorter windshield there will be smaller and later)))

[Operator]

A head shock wave diverges in air far beyond the plasma cocoon around a hypersonic aircraft.

[Evil Booth]

and? the cocoon also remains to be))) there is such a humorous scheme that an airplane dispersed to the same speed carrying around the coil coil will create a powerful influx of electrons between the wings that will feed the coil which is in front of the plane and create a plasma that will push air apart which will allow it to fly quickly, allowing currents to occur between the ends of the wings .... and this is very roughly but physically true as 2 + 2 = 4. the cocoon is really long and it also reduces the resistance of the atmosphere and not by 1 second decrease

[Operator]

If it reduces, then by a few percent.

[Evil Booth]

well, I’ll give them that)))

[Evil Booth]

they just asked for it in the trenches but they weren’t accepted at the military commissariat of the strongest power of the European Union

[Evil Booth]

Quote: Tlauicol

With the help of the ocean fleet is achieved, with the help of zircon is not.

you are not in the senate budget mission

[Zusul]

Where are we going to bury them all? :))