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“Not hypersound, but more ships”: US Navy made its choice

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The US naval forces are agitated: they rush from one extreme to the other, trying to choose a way to increase their combat potential. The successive leadership adheres to diametrically opposed views, relying on an increase in the number of pennants or on arming ships with the latest systems.


According to Defense News, former Navy minister Richard Spencer argued that while the goal of having a large fleet would be “desirable,” emphasis should be placed on unlocking the full combat potential of fewer ships by re-equipping them.

However, his successor Thomas Modley announced plans to increase the maritime grouping to 355 pennants. This goal was first set by the head of the White House, Donald Trump, during the 2016 presidential campaign of the year.

[355 ships] is declared as a national policy. We have a goal 355; we have no plan for 355

- said Modly on December 5.

He expects to achieve this figure, including underwater and surface drones, by 2030 year. In this regard, from his words, he will have to fight for funds from the Pentagon, abandoning his desire to get as much hypersonic as possible weapons.

We would have to lobby for it, prove and knock out a large share of the budget in the Pentagon’s halls [...] How many more hypersonic weapons do we need? Where do we put it?

- notes the acting Minister in official correspondence.

His approach coincides with the statements by Robert O'Brien, US National Security Advisor. He noted that Trump is serious about building up. fleet, which currently has only 292 ships at its disposal. He added that the goal of 355 pennants should be achieved “not in decades”, but much earlier.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 11 December 2019 04: 59
    +19
    I am not a supporter of aircraft carriers and I am absolutely convinced that these dinosaurs of the Cold War will die out purely evolutionarily ... well, I do not believe that the USAG can withstand the simultaneous attack of a dozen hypersonic missiles.
    Purely mathematically, it’s cheaper to produce a hundred hypersonic missiles capable of penetrating any air defense or missile defense than a dozen aircraft carriers that cost a gigantic budget with a dubious result.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 11 December 2019 05: 29
      +3
      TMV no one wants to unleash. And to decide in it who is right will be nuclear weapons.
      And for the US military pressure on the world of ACG is quite suitable.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 11 December 2019 07: 32
        +11
        “Not hypersound, but more ships”: US Navy made its choice

        Great choice. For the world.
        The faster the US economy collapses, the better for humanity.
        Although, of course, the fall of the dollar for all economies will be a shock. But in five years everything will settle down, and in the end there will be more autonomy and stability.
        1. BARKAS
          BARKAS 11 December 2019 08: 00
          +6
          All this may be another planned disinformation in order to mislead a potential adversary.
          1. bayard
            bayard 11 December 2019 23: 40
            0
            Quote: BARKAS
            All this may be another planned disinformation in order to mislead a potential adversary.

            Or maybe this desire to load up defense industry enterprises with orders again and pull the country out of the crisis through a new arms race. With reaganomics, they did it, besides Trump supports exactly the American - continental business, and first of all the military-industrial complex. And the defense industry must be fed for support.
            It will be very difficult to do this (355 pennants) - they have a lot of old ships, they have already lined up for decommissioning, they would have to be in time to replace the decommissioned ones in operation. And ships are getting more expensive. Here, even without re-equipment for hypersound, it would be possible to cope ... with the construction in exchange for those withdrawn from the composition, while maintaining the previous total number ... And here, give hypersound and the number of outfits ... They have trouble ... The Chinese are catching up. In 10-15 years they will go on a par with the fleet. At least in the number of pennants.
        2. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 11 December 2019 09: 05
          +3
          do you really not understand that the United States itself will not collapse, they are building their fleet on the money received from silanov and nabiulina through VAT refunds offshore companies and "sovereign" funds, as well as from the same occupation administrations of all countries of the world, except for the rogue country of North Korea
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi 11 December 2019 16: 25
            -2
            Quote: vladimir1155
            on money received from siluanova and nabiulina through VAT refund offshore

            Oh yeah, what are you talking about? With their pennies, when are the Irish Mafiosi tossing trillions? Each ship bolt is $ 100. Irish orphans became hungry in 1904, still have not eaten!
        3. DRM
          DRM 11 December 2019 10: 10
          +4
          Quote: Shurik70
          The faster the US economy collapses, the better for humanity.
          Although, of course, the fall of the dollar for all economies will be a shock. But in five years everything will settle down, and in the end there will be more autonomy and stability.

          It is known from history that with the fall of the old hegemon, an era of redistribution of its former assets begins in the world. So that there will be more wars. Then a new hegemon will appear - again redistribution / wars, until he asserts his dominance. So that "we only dream about peace."
        4. Grits
          Grits 11 December 2019 16: 45
          +1
          Quote: Shurik70
          The faster the US economy collapses, the better for humanity.
          Although, of course, the fall of the dollar for all economies will be a shock. But in five years everything will settle down, and in the end there will be more autonomy and stability.

          And I also pray for the "Yellow Stone" ...
        5. vadim dok
          vadim dok 11 December 2019 18: 14
          0
          There is a saying: While a fat one has lost weight, a thin one will die!
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 11 December 2019 08: 50
        +1
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        And for the US military pressure on the world of ACG is quite suitable.

        Well I do not know. Eun, it seems, did not push ...
      3. yustas
        yustas 11 December 2019 16: 44
        +1
        AUG can only be used for small countries, in terms of pressure, and since they are only an expensive toy, in most cases
      4. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 11 December 2019 20: 48
        +1
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        decide in it who is right will be nuclear weapons.

        Well, that goes without saying.
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        AUG is quite suitable for US military pressure on the world.

        So, nevertheless, nuclear weapons or aug? request And yes, very mattresses crushed the same DPRK? laughing
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 11 December 2019 05: 31
      +5
      It is unlikely to resist the already released ones, but it is quite possible to intercept carriers before launch.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Purely mathematically cheaper to produce a hundred hypersonic missiles
      It is not enough to produce, it is necessary to find the target, bring the missiles to the launch line, ensure the capture of the target of the GOS, break through the obstacles, even if the air defense cannot keep the blow ... It’s just that math does not work here.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 11 December 2019 05: 35
        0
        need to find a target, bring missiles to the launch line

        I agree ... for this we have a space constellation of spy satellites.
        How a hyper-rocket will break through interference and how a target capture occurs I have a vague idea smile and how else is it safe to get to the ACG at a distance of a guaranteed blow here is another question ... I think smart heads in our military-industrial complex will find a solution to this issue.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 11 December 2019 05: 40
          +4
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          for this we have a space constellation of spy satellites
          I’m afraid to disappoint you, and even more afraid to disappoint myself, but strongly doubt the adequate number of such satellites in Russia.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 11 December 2019 08: 28
            +4
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            in an adequate number of such satellites in Russia

            Why? Earth sensing satellites will not be able to detect AUG? It's just that the satellites have become both autonomous and "multifunctional" ... And it is not the AUG that interests them more, but the nuclear submarine of the potential enemy. AUG are peacetime "clubs". IMHO, they will be slammed in passing, if, God forbid, earthlings decide to go back to the primitive - cave state.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 11 December 2019 08: 57
              -1
              Do we have many of these satellites? In what ranges and with what resolution do they work? Can they give guidance? Do I ask a lot of questions? )))
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 11 December 2019 09: 29
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Do we have many of these satellites

                A lot of. AUG will see. Even a fishing boat. The permission is awesome. All satellites that are considered peaceful, in the event of a mess, will be mobilized for "military needs." And target designation ...?
                There is a reference to the coordinates with an accuracy of at least a few meters. Enough?
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                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 11 December 2019 09: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U

                    If you prove the opposite, then I will only be glad

                    I am glad that you use Wikipedia as a source of "the ultimate truth" wassat
                    And I'm wondering what my neighbors are doing here? And they load and load units of equipment for these satellites ... To a landfill, or what? laughing
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 11 December 2019 10: 08
                      -3
                      Well, give a link. Naturally, I have no desire to shovel the load of our launch vehicles in five years. On wiki, people post and edit fond articles. Trust them mostly.
                2. DRM
                  DRM 11 December 2019 10: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Do we have many of these satellites

                  A lot of. AUG will see. Even a fishing boat. The permission is awesome. All satellites that are considered peaceful, in the event of a mess, will be mobilized for "military needs." And target designation ...?
                  There is a reference to the coordinates with an accuracy of at least a few meters. Enough?

                  Recently, there was an article at the VO, a review of the Chinese press on the subject of satellite constellations. Basically, it was about GLONASS / GPS compared to Beidou, but the conclusions apply to other types of satellites. So, the Chinese believe that the American group is rapidly becoming obsolete and the Russian group is no longer considered a competitor.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 11 December 2019 17: 01
                    0
                    He cited a link to Wiki on our satellite constellation, for some reason admins hacked it. Maybe in the rules of the site which is not noticed.
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 11 December 2019 08: 53
        +4
        As in the joke:
        There are two news, bad and good. Bad - Saddam got an atomic bomb. Good - he can leave her only with a camel.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 11 December 2019 09: 01
          +2
          A funny joke, but fortunately not about us.
      3. Genry
        Genry 11 December 2019 14: 26
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        There are almost no supersonic anti-ship missiles.

        In Russia, anti-aircraft missiles, supersonic from birth, have always been used as small anti-ship missiles.
        And now, even cruise missiles can have a configuration when the warhead accelerates ... at the turn of the enemy’s air defense / missile breakthrough ..
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 11 December 2019 10: 27
      -3
      All these wunderwafers (hypersound, subtle and maneuvering RCC supersonic) - have several VERY STRONG VULNERABILITIES:

      - this is not a generic answer. Again, I repeat, in the presence of resources, everyone is trying to symmetry with minor corrections. For there is less risk. If the approach turns out to be a dead end, then the enemy will also be a dead end. If it’s not symmetrical, it can either be lucky - you have ok, but your opponent isn’t ok, and not lucky - if your opponent is ok and your wunderwaffles are not ready or do not work as planned. And when it opens, it will be too late to do something.

      - This is a purely defensive weapon. Again in history, those who gave the initiative and tried to go on the defensive usually lost in the end. In addition, this approach makes it limited. Wunderwaffles can only be used against a serious enemy who has attacked a country.

      - This is an inflexible weapon. Again, if the other side can tactically and strategically combine tactical forces, then there will be no real goals, and the breakthrough of air defense / missile defense can also be minimized by carriers.

      At the same time, a large fleet:
      - universal. Any Papuan (and not even Papuan, but a completely normal country with a thread fleet and the Air Force in 30-40 airborne 4 generations) can be kicked off and go to useful resources.
      - has the initiative. The owner of such a fleet, he decides when, where and with whom he will fight.
      - is flexible. You can compose the necessary strike groups for any task, taking into account risks and opposing forces.
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 11 December 2019 11: 51
      -6
      "simultaneous raid of a dozen hypersonic missiles" ////
      ----
      Just explain, please, what do you call a hypersonic rocket?
      Give an example of the name of at least one hypersonic rocket?
      There are almost no supersonic anti-ship missiles.
      90% of anti-ship missiles are subsonic. At the terminal section, some of them switch to supersonic.
    5. knn54
      knn54 11 December 2019 13: 19
      +1
      Here, one does not interfere with the other. The Yankees are more concerned about the number of pennants in the Chinese Navy.
    6. Andriy Shevchik
      Andriy Shevchik 11 December 2019 22: 38
      -3
      1. Zircon reaches 5 mahs only above the Armstrong line ~ 18 m where low pressure, Zircon has an accelerating detachable step to reach such a height. At low altitude, the Zircon will have only 000 swing when hovering over a maneuverable target. All this hype vokug hypersound is pure illiterate propaganda

      For clarity, the hypersonic flight of the X-51A, as you can see on the graph, the speed 5 max reached 60 feet and the higher the height the higher the speed. At low altitude, all missiles and planes lose speed several times due to air pressure.

      2. A dagger can only hit ships in ports at anchor that don’t move. A military source told the Gazet that a dagger cannot hit floating ships in the sea. The large mass of the dagger and the used engine make it useless, so no one in the world does ballistic anti-ship missiles, only winged ones.
      So it's early to write off American aircraft carriers
      1. sentaniel
        sentaniel 13 February 2020 12: 11
        0
        Quote: Andriy Shevchik
        no one in the world does ballistic anti-ship missiles, only winged ones.

        Tell it to China with its DF-21
    7. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 30 December 2019 06: 15
      0
      here the power of the hegemon defends the sector at 45 degrees by panama))))))))))))))))
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 11 December 2019 05: 09
    +7
    They want to earn not only Lockheed!
    Many ships, many, many workers will be at work, many times more than during the construction of rockets !!!
    Moreover, it will be MANY WORKERS, not eggheads who vote a little for Trump!
    In my opinion, there is more politics than military necessity!
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 11 December 2019 05: 42
      +6
      The Americans are not counting on quantity for the first time in history - they decided to solve the problems of LB lease convoys of the World Bank and the USSR with German submarines by building more guards than the Germans could sink)).
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 December 2019 06: 54
        +2
        Welcome soldier
        Quote: Krasnodar
        The Americans bet on quantity is not the first time in history

        Yes, they are not the first to take the optimal, as it seems to them, decisions and concentrate on solving a specific problem! THEY CAN!
        And now, it may well be that they will solve a specific problem .... this is normal for them.
        We can only look from the outside and solve our specific problems ... if we can?
        1. bessmertniy
          bessmertniy 11 December 2019 07: 07
          +2
          They will have 350 - they will want to get to 500, and there, up to a thousand. But there is nothing reasonable in this. The US Navy, therefore, has superiority that will continue in the next decade.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 December 2019 07: 25
            +2
            Quote: bessmertniy
            But there is nothing reasonable in this.

            The question is not about the rational, but about how they consider it necessary ....
            I propose an assessment option - This is a policy for internal use. Ahead of the election, and many orders for the fleet, this is MANY WORKING PLACES! Trump PROMISED !!!
    2. Grits
      Grits 11 December 2019 16: 55
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Many ships, many, many workers will be at work, many times more than during the construction of rockets !!!

      I also immediately thought about this. Thousands of times more people are involved in the construction of one aircraft carrier than in the construction of one rocket. ... Jobs, taxes, purchasing power, industrial development, .. People are happy.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 December 2019 18: 01
        0
        Quote: Gritsa
        Jobs, taxes, purchasing power, industrial development, .. People are happy.

        These are the voters! That is the class that basically voted for Trump!
        Good move, good, good deal.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 11 December 2019 05: 23
    0
    “Not hypersound, but more ships”: US Navy made its choice
    Clearly, US hypersound is not amenable.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 11 December 2019 05: 47
      +6
      Not yet succumbing. But even with the capabilities available, the Russian fleet is not opposed to the US fleet, unfortunately.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 December 2019 07: 00
        -1
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Clearly, US hypersound is not amenable.

        It is hard to imagine that the Yankees cannot solve any problem if they "stick with the horn" ... of course, if the task is feasible at all, for objective reasons!
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Russia is not opposed to the US Navy, unfortunately.

        It is necessary to set feasible tasks ... butting with the Yankees, in the naval sphere, the task is overwhelming in direct confrontation / competition. Okay, to protect ourselves as we can ... these are sound arguments, this is done, and then do what is necessary in the first place.
        So it was, it will be so .....
      2. Grits
        Grits 11 December 2019 16: 57
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Not yet succumbing. But even with the capabilities available, the Russian fleet is not opposed to the US fleet, unfortunately.

        Unfortunately, the hypersound in the United States is still sooner or later, but will appear. There, scientists are not stupid guys either. But we will never have such a fleet.
  4. Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 11 December 2019 07: 07
    +3
    “Not hypersound, but more ships”: US Navy made its choice

    Zergrash aircraft carriers ...
  5. Indifferent
    Indifferent 11 December 2019 07: 15
    +1
    They have long torn the gut. Now they increase the number of pennants in that they extend the service life of old ships. Those already barely keep on the water, and they still have to swim for a dozen years. Cheesy politics! They do not have enough repair facilities to keep all this junk in working condition. And it's expensive to contain trash. Repairing the old trough is more expensive, building a new ship. But they no longer have resources for the new. No wonder now almost all aircraft carriers are standing against the wall and are waiting for repairs. There was no one to go to combat services. Now they have an armada on paper. But in real life there is old rubbish, which is scary to push away from the pier. Plus, arrogant women serve on ships and create outrageous outrages.
  6. tlauicol
    tlauicol 11 December 2019 08: 05
    0
    Sea control — trade control — control of the global economy. With the help of the ocean fleet is achieved, with the help of zircon is not. Yankees are doing everything right, we are wasting money
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 December 2019 10: 52
      -1
      One FIG the entire world ocean, even having 355 large warships, they will not be able to control.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 11 December 2019 11: 07
        -2
        and we ? in any case, we will get crumbs from the table of the global economy. without any war
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 December 2019 08: 50
    -1
    “Not hypersound, but more ships”
    I understand this as the fact that the lack of brains can be compensated for by an excess of money.
  8. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 11 December 2019 09: 01
    0
    US aggressive plans are clear, attack all countries that have not bought Russian weapons and rob them, hold a flag in your hands and a drum on your neck, but don’t pop into Russia!
  9. cniza
    cniza 11 December 2019 09: 26
    +3
    He noted that Trump is serious about building up the fleet, which currently has only 292 ships at its disposal. He added that the goal of 355 pennants should be achieved “not in decades”, but much earlier.


    Trump is a businessman, and these are jobs, taxes ..., well, the capitalists are not offended.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 11 December 2019 20: 20
      +1
      Well done Trump. He thinks about people. This is a charitable deed.
      It is necessary that we begin to think.
      1. cniza
        cniza 11 December 2019 20: 54
        +1
        Attempts are made, but so far it’s weak ...
  10. askort154
    askort154 11 December 2019 10: 32
    +1
    The US naval forces are agitated: they rush from one extreme to the other, trying to choose a way to increase their combat potential.

    Everything is logical. The United States is beginning to understand that they cannot rule the whole world. In past centuries, the Anglo-Saxons colonized the country, only due to the navy, which was not opposed. Now the opposition to the fleet has increased dramatically. The fleet ceases to be invulnerable, and the costs of its maintenance
    very great. Already, the United States is difficult to ensure high combat readiness of its fleet. So out of 11 aircraft carriers, only 2-3 are always on alert.
    If the state has aggressive goals, then it needs a powerful fleet, and if the state sets its goal - only to protect its territory, not claiming to seize the enemy’s territory, then it needs a fleet in reasonable sufficiency, to strengthen the defense in its security zone. And to contain and parity, it is necessary to have a powerful submarine fleet, and a powerful space missile component of the country's strategic defense. On which we are emphasizing.
    Therefore, the Americans are "thinking" what they are now going to stake on.
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  12. Dikson
    Dikson 11 December 2019 12: 19
    -2
    Our planet is surrounded by oceans .. whose fleet is the one that drives it .. In the end, the ocean fleet can simply block shipping in any region of the globe .. The fleet will help to deliver the necessary number of troops and equipment to any point .. The fleet can provide control over the air space in a given water area .. The fleet can lock up enemy strike submarines in its bases. You are not planning to use a nuclear club for any reason .. But a large naval formation may force an opponent country to reconsider its policy ..
  13. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 11 December 2019 20: 17
    +1
    * He noted that Trump is serious about building up the fleet, which currently has only 292 ships at its disposal. He added that the goal of 355 pennants should be achieved “not in decades”, but much earlier. *
    That is why I personally always reported that we do not need to chase the enemy in the number of vessels. Do not ever steal. It is necessary not to take quantity, but quality. No options. In my provincial view.
  14. Andriy Shevchik
    Andriy Shevchik 11 December 2019 23: 04
    -2
    1. Zircon reaches 5 mahs only above the Armstrong line ~ 18 m where low pressure, Zircon has an accelerating detachable step to reach such a height. At low altitude, the Zircon will have only 000 swing when hovering over a maneuverable target. All this hype around hypersound is pure illiterate propaganda.

    Pink shows the corridor for hypersonic missiles with scramjet engine, the ratio of speed and height.

    For clarity, the flight of the hypersonic X-51A in the video, as you can see on the graph, the speed 5 max is reached at about 60 feet and the higher the height, the higher the speed. At low altitude, all missiles and planes lose speed several times due to air pressure.
    2. A dagger can only hit ships in anchored ports that don’t move. A military source told the newspaper Vzglyad, a dagger cannot hit floating ships in the sea. The large mass of the Dagger and the used engine make it useless - speed is catastrophically lost at low altitudes of any maneuvers, so no one in the world does ballistic anti-ship missiles, only winged ones.
    So, it's too early to write off American aircraft carriers ...
    3. There is a Vunderwafel Vanguard, but it will have tens of kilometers of deviation, due to the difficultly calculated unbalistic trajectory for modern computer-based ANS on-board systems, which makes it a useless type of weapon for today, accepted only for the prestige of the homeland.
    Modern descent space vehicles including Soyuz-TMA have 10km-30km deviations for half an hour of planning in a plasma at 6000km before the parachute is launched. The avant-garde needs to be refined for decades to acceptable accuracy ... Americans know this, so they focused on low-level gliders capable of planning below 35000m where GPS, TERCOM works, large nuclear gliders for ICBMs are still considered ineffective in the USA and do not develop such a program
  15. Operator
    Operator 12 December 2019 00: 22
    +1
    Quote: Andriy Shevchyk
    Zircon reaches 5 mahs only above the Armstrong line ~ 18m where low pressure, Zircon has an accelerating detachable step to reach such a height. At low altitude, the Zircon will have only 000 swing when hovering over a maneuverable target. All this hype vokug hypersound is pure illiterate propaganda

    The flight path of the Zircon (as well as any cruise missile with a motorized hypersound) consists of three sections:
    - accelerating section with a climb (40 km) and speed (> 5M) using a starting solid propellant motor;
    - the marching section at a distance of ~ 1000 km using hypersonic ramjet;
    - diving at the target with the implementation of the anti-zenith maneuver "snake" with braking to a speed of <5M to exit the plasma formation mode and turn on the active radar seeker.

    PS Hype around "Zircon" is now generated by the United States, not us laughing
    1. Andriy Shevchik
      Andriy Shevchik 12 December 2019 02: 15
      -2
      Why perform an anti-aircraft maneuver "snake" at a speed higher than Mach 5, when at such a speed no one can intercept you anyway? )))) you reprinted nonsense.
      To achieve 5 max, you do not need a height of 40 km, such a great height is needed for 9 max. Create 9 max. scramjet missiles are unrealistic for today.
      In dense atmospheric layers, natural braking occurs to a supersonic speed when diving, if the rocket still tries to maneuver the speed will immediately drop to ~ 1mach.

      Here is a dive of a hypersonic missile into the ground without pointing even where it was further indicated by the text that pointing, maneuvering catastrophically reduces the speed to 1 Mach or subsonic speed.
      The higher the speed, the higher the temperature of the rakeia, thereby reducing the penetration of the rocket, making the skin lighter when it hits, the rocket will expand almost like liquid metal against the hardened metal body of an aircraft carrier that can withstand the blow of even large enemy naval guns in which 3-armor-piercing ammunition. The amount of explosives in a hypersonic missile is not more than in ATGMs, due to their small size.
      The dagger can not be attributed to this schedule, the dagger does not have a scramjet, it has lower speeds at the terminal stage, but is just a ballistic missile.
      Hyip around Zircon is created in Russia, then it is reprinted in the USA.
      The National Interest, owned by Dmitry Simes, a political scientist who runs on Solovyov’s programs, he bought the magazine in 2001.
      The Military Watch magazine the personal blog of a resident of Britain Abraham Aita, the dude is sitting at home with a coffee maker, constantly praises Russian weapons, his traffic is 60% dependent on Sputnik, RT ... he even put the su-27 on the logo)), and the Russian media give out his opinion allegedly this is the opinion of an authoritative American publication)))
      Here is his photo

      These two fake publications give out 90% of all news in the West about Russian weapons. Think about it, you live in a matrix, everything is fake ... The media have been creating a hurray-patriotic mythology based on a purchased opinion for years. "American experts have recognized the superiority of Russian ..." and so every day
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      2. Operator
        Operator 12 December 2019 10: 55
        +2
        Quote: Andriy Shevchyk
        at a speed above 5 max, when at that speed no one can intercept you anyway

        SM-6, S-400 anti-aircraft missiles and their analogs are designed to intercept air targets at speeds from 5 to 16 M. The only problem is the ratio of available overloads of hypersonic and anti-aircraft missiles - when the double threshold is exceeded, the first becomes unattainable for the second.

        A hypersonic missile (its detachable warhead) uses the accumulated kinetic energy (speed plus marching flight) to dive at a target, therefore aerodynamic drag (within specified limits) is compensated by the consumption of kinetic energy.
        1. Andriy Shevchik
          Andriy Shevchik 12 December 2019 13: 54
          -1
          Yes, it is compensated, only you will not get hypersound at the final stage anyway, after 18000m an emergency natural slowdown begins.
          Honestly, it sounds fantastic for 5-16 moves, 5 moves ~ 1700 m / s ... until the radio wave leaves the radar and returns the hypersonic missile will fly more than 100 meters if we talk about an altitude just below 18000m ... while the speed is constantly changing like this how a rocket slows down.
          How can I calculate the interception point, I do not quite understand, it is rather on the verge. As far as I know, the ARGSN itself in a rocket is not capable of calculating such speeds, to intercept more than 5max it is necessary to use the infrared seeker and the radio command homing method like on THAAD, however, in low atmospheric layers the IR sensor overheats.
          1. Operator
            Operator 12 December 2019 14: 03
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            For the 48N6DM anti-aircraft missile of the S-400 complex, the speed of intercepted air targets is 4800 m / s (with a maximum anti-aircraft missile speed of 2500 m / s at the end of the solid propellant rocket launcher).

            At speeds of anti-aircraft missiles and anti-missiles in excess of 5M in the atmosphere, a freon is injected from the end of the rocket to penetrate the plasma cocoon with the aim of its radio command guidance using ground-based radar and transmitting the target’s coordinates via a radio channel.
            1. Evil Booth
              Evil Booth 30 December 2019 06: 18
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              the speed of this Zur at the start is 4,5 kmf, the flight speed is 3,9 average on the path of 1,3 kmf, by analogy, the thin shell with 1,2 kmf at a distance of 18 km already has 0,7 kmf. however, at a range of 200, the current or even the average will be all 2-2,5 kmf, this is the boundary for intercepting f35 before launching a new karma at 170 km at an altitude of 15 km otherwise the karma will not fly 170. proofs in any sense
          2. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 30 December 2019 06: 19
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            fellow vabscheto in a plasma a subject flying spreads the air in front of him as a cavern of a squall moves the water
            1. Operator
              Operator 30 December 2019 12: 40
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              The bow shock wave (the main reason for the increased aerodynamic drag) on ​​the Zircon's hypersound / supersonic does not disappear anywhere.

              Shkval has no bow shock wave due to the torpedo's subsonic speed - 100 m / s compared to 1500 m / s (the speed of sound in water).
              1. Evil Booth
                Evil Booth 30 December 2019 14: 01
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                In general, the plasma touching the air makes it near zero density, and the residues support its existence sobs on the frontal EPR plasma was pulled back in the USSR, but as a stealth coating, this was declassified and announced as normal. shorter windshield there will be smaller and later)))
                1. Operator
                  Operator 30 December 2019 14: 04
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                  A head shock wave diverges in air far beyond the plasma cocoon around a hypersonic aircraft.
                  1. Evil Booth
                    Evil Booth 30 December 2019 14: 07
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                    and? the cocoon also remains to be))) there is such a humorous scheme that an airplane dispersed to the same speed carrying around the coil coil will create a powerful influx of electrons between the wings that will feed the coil which is in front of the plane and create a plasma that will push air apart which will allow it to fly quickly, allowing currents to occur between the ends of the wings .... and this is very roughly but physically true as 2 + 2 = 4. the cocoon is really long and it also reduces the resistance of the atmosphere and not by 1 second decrease
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 30 December 2019 14: 21
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                      If it reduces, then by a few percent.
                      1. Evil Booth
                        Evil Booth 30 December 2019 20: 38
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                        well, I’ll give them that)))
    2. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 30 December 2019 06: 21
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      yes they just asked for it in the trenches but they weren’t accepted at the military commissariat of the strongest power of the European Union
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  17. Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 30 December 2019 06: 16
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    Quote: Tlauicol
    With the help of the ocean fleet is achieved, with the help of zircon is not.

    you are not in the senate budget mission tongue
  18. Zusul
    Zusul 10 February 2020 22: 12
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    Where are we going to bury them all? :))