A beggar and a billionaire must pay taxes at the same rate. So the Duma decided

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The rate is low. But still it’s too big ...


The attempt to introduce a progressive tax scale for individuals (PIT) in Russia predictably stalled. The State Duma profile committee rejected this idea. Other “interested parties” did not like it either: the government and the Accounts Chamber were not particularly enthusiastic about this issue either.

Two bills were submitted to the Duma: from the Just Russia party and from the Communist Party. The former suggested simply raising the tax rate to 18% for those who earn more than 24 million rubles a year. That is, for those whose income is less than two million rubles a month, there would be nothing to worry about at all. The Communists proposed a more sophisticated scheme, which included a tax reduction for those who earn less than 100 thousand rubles a year. The increase began only from the amount of 3 million rubles, and the maximum tax rates were introduced for those who earn more than 10 million rubles per year. In this case, the taxpayer would have to pay a fixed amount of 1,642 million rubles + 25% of what exceeds the specified threshold of 10 million.



It should be noted that even these progressive tax schemes can be called very sparing. For comparison: in many European countries the tax rate for the rich significantly exceeds 50% - this is almost the whole of Scandinavia, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and several other countries. There are many countries where income tax approaches fifty percent - these are Finland, Austria, Japan (not quite Europe, but still), Ireland, and Great Britain. And this, you see, is a much more serious figure than even the 25% rate proposed in the CPRF draft. Moreover, in comparison with the norms of most developed countries, it can be recognized as very sparing and almost preferential.

It should also be noted that the project of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation takes into account such positive practice of many developed countries as reducing the tax burden for the poor. This, of course, is not a complete abolition of personal income tax for the poor, as is practiced, for example, in Australia, but nevertheless the fact itself should be noted: the authors of this bill have not forgotten about the poor.

It must be noted here that the Communist Party and Fair Russia do not occupy the last places in the current composition of the State Duma, and only one faction, United Russia, which has an overwhelming majority in the Duma, can block their initiatives. This is just a touch, but it is, as they say, "indicative."

We are not able to collect taxes


Among the arguments that opponents of the progressive personal income tax rate reinforce their position, the first place is held by the assertion that tax collection in the event of its adoption will drop sharply. As explained in the Duma Committee on Budget and Taxes, tax revenues on personal income tax and so on. If in 2014, 2,7 trillion rubles were collected in the budget, then in 2018 - already 3,7 trillion. Progress, as they say, is evident. It was the introduction of a “flat” tax scale that allowed many employers to legalize the salary schemes of their enterprises, and changing it can lead to the fact that the business will again begin to divert money into the shadows.

In addition, such an initiative runs counter to the stabilization of business conditions. And this is a blow to both existing projects and possible investments. Which, we agree, is rather unpleasant.

In general, experts came to the conclusion that this innovation may not lead to an increase in tax collection, but rather to a decrease in the filling of budgets of all levels. And if so, the initiative should be recognized as harmful, the existing tax system is optimal at this stage, and progressiveness should be declared leading to regression and stagnation.

Probably all this seems logical and adequate. But only on one condition: we fully accept the coordinate system in which our experts exist and with which any initiative is correlated. What exactly do I mean? Well, for example…

For example, an argument in the spirit of “tax collection will fall” does not, in principle, apply to the economy. This should be done by tax officials, prosecutors, courts, and then representatives of the Federal Penitentiary Service. True, this requires a small “trifle” - an adjustment of the criminal law in the field of combating tax evasion.

In most of the countries I mentioned, tax crimes are serious. It is clear that all kinds of concessions are possible for those who first broke the law. But the rest of the law is harsh. In the United States, the statute of limitations for tax crimes is not comparable with the Russian. In addition, taxes there must be paid on any income, even from illegal. This is only at first glance some inconvenient legal conflict, while in reality it allows the American Themis to attract drug dealers and traffickers for tax evasion weapons, owners of underground sweepstakes and many more dubious public. In a situation where it is not possible to prove the main crime of the accused in court, the ruthless US tax service comes into play, in some way no less advanced than the FBI, and puts the criminal in the dock, and from there to prison.

Do you know a lot of cases in Russia when people, even intentionally and by prior agreement violating tax laws, went to prison for a considerable period of time precisely under the tax article? Personally, I can’t recall a single one. I probably have something with a memory ...

Just don’t get caught right away ...


As an example of the strangeness of our legislation, I can cite a note to article 199 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. It reads as follows:
The person who committed the crime for the first time stipulated by this article shall be exempted from criminal liability if this person or organization, evading taxes, fees, insurance premiums of which is charged to this person, fully paid the amount of arrears and related penalties, as well as the amount of the fine, determined in accordance with the Tax Code of the Russian Federation.


What does this mean? Literally the following: if you have not yet been caught for tax crimes, you can safely evade taxes, come up with tricky schemes, hide money in offshore. The main thing is not to get caught right away, manage to save up money for fines and compensation, and you can be absolutely sure that you will get out of the water dry.

And if you have already caught? That's right - front companies, “zitspredsedaty”, grandmothers from “not previously involved”, and everything will be in openwork again. Again schemes, offshore, Fiji and other exotic islands.

With such legislation, one should not be surprised that the introduction of a progressive taxation scale can indeed lead to a drop in tax collection. But does this mean that we need to lay down our hands and, in principle, refuse to improve our tax legislation?

Of course not. But the arguments of the experts need to listen and listen to other experts. Let other experts tell us how to improve our Criminal Code, to avoid taxation was dangerous, to cover criminals for bribes was even more dangerous, so that the lawlessness in which we have been living for more than a dozen years, finally ended.

Tax crimes are only part of a more general and wider phenomenon called “corruption”. And you need to fight here in a comprehensive manner, along with the progressive personal income tax rate, returning to everyday life and confiscation of property, and large prison sentences for bribe takers, and capital punishment for very odious cases of corruption and economic crimes.

Therefore, let us thank the Duma Committee on Budget and Taxes for their sanity. And let us give the floor to other committees, which should offer us some reform of the current Criminal Code.

Although, I’m afraid, for this reason we will only hear silence for a long time ...
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  1. +33
    11 December 2019 05: 53
    Test photo! Thank you, I laughed in the morning smile
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      1. +51
        11 December 2019 06: 17
        Well, not only that. HSE analysts suggested that part of the funds from the National Wealth Fund be directed to a fund to support foreign investors. That is, to get into where pensions are paid from. To the budget. This is despite the fact that a significant part of foreign investors are stock speculators. And Siluanov caught up with the "analysts" and offered to remove part of the tax burden from foreign investors, although it is actually nonexistent. It is impossible to understand it, to accept it - even more so. Well, this is for me. They will legislate.
        1. +41
          11 December 2019 06: 47
          The Russian government is quietly preparing for the abolition of pensions for ordinary Russians. This is generally few who know.
          The overwhelming majority of Russian pensioners will have their children and grandchildren left without a pension from the word "in general." We are talking about the "funeral team" in the government of the Russian Federation and the genocide of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation.
          Experts say: the goal of the government is to abolish pensions altogether.
          Under our wage system, focused on wages for foreign "labor" migrants, many citizens of the Russian Federation will simply never receive a pension.
          Namely.

          Since 2020, the Government of the Russian Federation has established a new limit for the calculation of insurance premiums for compulsory pension insurance. At first glance, this technical change is causing irreparable damage to the Russian pension system. People with low official salaries will lose their old age benefits in the future. Last year, there were 170 thousand pension failures. Further more.

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          1. +22
            11 December 2019 07: 55
            In Russia, there are several pension systems that are fundamentally different from each other: 1) for civil servants and 2) for ordinary citizens - a point accumulation system for the payment of pensions.
            For ordinary citizens, the minimum number of accumulative points for the payment of a BASIC old-age pension is established, or simply set a limit for calculating premiums for compulsory pension insurance in ruble terms, which, over time, MISSING for the people is changing by the Russian government itself.
            For example. Since 2020, the Government has established a new limit for the calculation of insurance premiums for compulsory pension insurance. This "TECHNICAL" change is causing irreparable damage to the Russian pension system. For people with low official wages in the future will lose their old age payments. Namely.
            .

            If in 2015 the limit base was 59 rubles, then next year it will increase to 200 rubles. That is, over 107 years, the indicator has grown almost 600 times.

            The size of the pension depends on the limit of the base for calculating contributions, and this is the whole point of the fiscal pension reform launched in the Russian Federation.
            Suppose the salary of a Russian citizen is 40 thousand rubles a month (480 thousand a year). This amount should be divided by the “base limit” and multiplied by 10. With this income, in 2015 the employee received 6,75 pension points from the FIU, in 2019 - 4,17 points, and in 2020, with a new the maximum value is only 3,71 points. That is, less and less points will be earned every year.

            But this is if a person receives at least 40 thousand rubles. For the middle region, this is manna from heaven. That with a salary of 20 thousand rubles, you can earn only 2 points per year, and if the salary is 11-12 thousand, then the points earned - zero.

            Therefore, it is a mistake to think that everyone in our country receives a pension. No, not all.
            Last year, there were 170 thousand refuseniks, then, obviously, more.
            1. +33
              11 December 2019 11: 42
              A beggar and a billionaire must pay taxes at the same rate. So the Duma decided

              In fact, the project of privatization of an entire country - the USSR / Russia - is a project of the West, which is being implemented by the government of the Russian Federation and the party of power "ER" according to IMF recommendations led by the US State Department and for the benefit of the West.

              In this US project, it is not only the West’s privatization of the whole country - the whole of Russia - with the help of a small group of individuals - Russian compradors close to the West, that is inherent in the reduction of the population of the whole country due to even pension reforms alone.
              At the same time, Chubais spoke of a sacred sacrifice of 30 million Russians who did not fit into the market. And these are future pensioners.
              And the beginning of this process of social and biological "destruction" by the government of the Russian Federation of 30 million inhabitants of the country was laid during the pension reform under Yeltsin and is being implemented now.

              therefore this should not be about 170 thousand Russians who were denied a pension in 2019 and which I mentioned above but about a total of 30 million future retirees. At the same time, we are talking about the GENOCIDE by the powers that be, above all, of the Russian nation in the Russian Federation as historically the state forming the HOLD nation.

              Chubais: “What are you worried about these people? Well, thirty million will die out. They did not fit into the market. Do not think about it - new ones will grow. ”

              At the Eurasian Technology 2019 Summit in St. Petersburg, Chinese high-tech development minister Jian Ming refused to give a hand to Anatoly Chubais.
              As Ming said:
              “And I’ll say that people like Mr. Chubais emphasize - I couldn’t call him“ Comrade Chubais ”, such people we have cut down the forest in the best case. Education, official status, moral views do not allow me to give a hand to a person who would have a robe and a camp number in our country, and not wealth and power. ”

              "Such people are cutting down the forest": The Chinese minister did not shake hands with Chubais. Published; 12 February 2019
              1. -1
                11 December 2019 13: 24
                Quote: Tatiana
                In fact, the project for the privatization of an entire country - the USSR / Russia - is a project of the West, which is being implemented by the Russian government and the United Russia party of power on the recommendations of the IMF under the leadership of the US State Department and for the benefit of the West.

                Project "Russian".
                1. +3
                  12 December 2019 11: 23
                  Is the Duma going to make laws against itself !? Those who go to the deputies, first of all, think about their own pocket, and the benefits for themselves from his position in society. Under the current system of power, they do not think about us, about the common people! There is only an appearance of these worries about us. The system of admission to deputies needs to be changed. At least introduce mandatory testing of candidates for a "polygraph" for its true goals. And I’m not talking about the corruption that is flourishing there.
                  1. +2
                    12 December 2019 18: 52
                    Quote: krot
                    Does the Duma itself adopt laws !? Who goes to the deputies, first of all they think about their own pocket, and the benefits for themselves from his position in society. Under today's system of power, they do not think about us, about ordinary people! There is only the appearance of these worries about us. The system of adoption in deputies needs to be changed.

                    In Russia, there are several pension systems that are fundamentally different from each other: 1) for civil servants and 2) for ordinary citizens, a point accumulation system for the payment of pensions.

                    Yeltsin and Matvienko receive pensions ten times more than the average Russian! Published: October 29 2019 year
                    1. +2
                      12 December 2019 19: 19
                      In Russia, there are several pension systems that are fundamentally different from each other: 1) for civil servants and 2) for ordinary citizens - a point accumulation system for the payment of pensions.

                      Question to Putin about a low salary from Pozharny from the Kaliningrad region 20.06.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX


                      Well, what kind of pension will this fireman have ?!
                  2. 0
                    17 December 2019 15: 03
                    The system of adoption in deputies needs to be changed. SYSTEM need to change!
              2. -39
                11 December 2019 14: 33
                The girls have a hysteria. And they themselves paid regularly in the PF?
                1. +23
                  11 December 2019 15: 01
                  Quote: Victor N
                  And they themselves paid regularly in the PF?

                  the employer pays
                  1. -24
                    11 December 2019 15: 48
                    And from those in the envelope?
                    1. +10
                      11 December 2019 15: 49
                      Quote: Victor N
                      And from those in the envelope?

                      I don’t know, I don’t get in the envelope
                      1. -7
                        12 December 2019 11: 27
                        I don’t know, I don’t get in the envelope

                        Do you only think about yourself? ) Or is the brain missing thinking? )) If you do not receive in an envelope, it does not mean that no one receives such salaries in the country. And the percentage of such salaries is quite high, although it is decreasing ..
                      2. +2
                        12 December 2019 13: 57
                        You are arguing like that straight. Muscovites are building a mine near Novokuznetsk, it’s already working, but they are adding a 45-day deferred payment term to the contract to close the construction and installation work. here it’s not only taxes to pay, here people can’t live on anything. some kind of bad person decided that she could do that. a good governor would put that in place, and if he was a Varangian himself, then he wouldn’t do anything. and all sorts of such cases, darkness.
                  2. 0
                    12 December 2019 12: 31
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    the employer pays

                    Not in all cases - those self-employed or self-employed who do not have wage workers pay for themselves. But this is not the point, but the fact that no one bothers to make additional contributions to the FIU from their own salary, but practically no one does.
                    Moreover, I will simply inform those who do not know the situation with contributions to the Pension Fund, that working pensioners in the capital specifically do not want to legally get a job, because they immediately lose the "Luzhkov" supplement. And therefore, they do not make any contributions to the Pension Fund while working and receiving a pension, and everyone who has come across this knows this.
              3. +7
                11 December 2019 15: 03
                Quote: Tatiana
                In fact, the project for the privatization of an entire country - the USSR / Russia - is a project of the West, which is being implemented by the Russian government and the United Russia party of power on the recommendations of the IMF under the leadership of the US State Department and for the benefit of the West.

                why then "Zircons", "Onyx", "Ash", "Topol" and other products?
                1. +14
                  11 December 2019 15: 21
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  why then "Zircons", "Onyx", "Ash", "Topol" and other products?

                  So after all, the classic world "owners of money" our Russian nouveau riche and young oligarchs do not accept into their circle and will never accept.
                  Among the geopolitical "owners of money" there is also competition for supremacy under the Sun and for the sole power over the whole world. Russian oligarchs, at best, will stand in the hallway of the "owners of money" - and as persons with low social responsibility they will be allowed to the "body" only on call and only for service. All the looted wealth of our oligarchs is all temporary, their wealth in the West can easily be taken away from them. Therefore, Russian oligarchs need to keep their wealth from the West in Russia and with arms in hand. Putin and some others understood this long ago.
                  1. +6
                    11 December 2019 15: 37
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Therefore, Russian oligarchs need to keep their wealth from the West in Russia and with weapons in their hands. Putin and some others have long understood this.

                    but then this is the way to the DPRK! request
                    But seriously, with such an interpretation I fully agree
                  2. +1
                    12 December 2019 12: 36
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    All the looted wealth of our oligarchs is all temporary, their wealth in the West can easily be taken from them.

                    Because the West considers the illegally plundered "our" nouveau riches "their wealth, and they consider our oligarchs at least" goldsmiths ".
                  3. 0
                    12 December 2019 13: 30
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Therefore, Russian oligarchs need to keep their wealth from the West in Russia and with weapons in their hands. Putin and some others have long understood this.

                    But our "nouveau riches" will keep their money in the West, because they are more afraid of their people than the West.
                2. +4
                  11 December 2019 21: 48
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  why then "Zircons", "Onyx", "Ash", "Topol" and other products?


                  Since the summer of 2018, there is a suspicion that in order for the Russian government to be accepted as an equal at foreign gatherings ("to hang out beautifully over the hill") and not to protect the people. This is how oil and gas revenues and the main money box are constantly growing, but the government does not use them for social support of the people.
                  After the pension is actually canceled in 2018, any meanness can be expected from this government.
            2. -5
              11 December 2019 18: 43
              This "TECHNICAL" change is causing irreparable damage to the Russian pension system. For people with low official wages in the future will lose their old age payments.

              It is not that simple. Someone will be deprived. At the same time they will collect something more. In general, it should be considered here.
              In my department there are no people receiving LESS than the marginal amount. And in 2015 there was half.
              1. +5
                12 December 2019 14: 05
                deprived for the fact that he worked, but received little? Does everyone need to go to Moscow?
          2. +21
            11 December 2019 10: 13
            An attempt to introduce a progressive tax scale for individuals in Russia is predictable stalled. State Duma Committee rejected this idea. Did not like she and other "stakeholders"

            They did not come to power to share with some kind of people. The people will be "taken care of" by National Projects (2019-2024). It has already been clearly announced to everyone.
            1. -7
              11 December 2019 10: 59
              This world is controlled. The so-called ,, atheist ,, this fact is very difficult to drive into the head ,,. At the school, I’ve gotten lazy, man - stroke, heart attack, traffic accident .... The state was carried away by Satanism, love of money, fornication and pokatushki on the neck of the people - war, coup, elements of the elements .... What, to whom unclear? (Question for ,, effective managers ,,, not for average people).
              Where, mighty, is the Russian Empire with a 12-hour working day, child prostitution and a famine for the peasant estate with a frequency of 5 years? Where ,, mighty ,, USSR hung with pentagrams, issuing ,, five-year plans for three years ,, taking care of the proletarians ,, of the whole world ,, but ignoring the Russian people and their Tradition? Where are these, educational, states, gentlemen, scientists,??
              Do you really need tests? Not sitting, on the priest exactly ,,? Can you handle it?
              1. +26
                11 December 2019 11: 41
                Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                Do you really need tests? Not sitting, on the priest exactly ,,? Can you handle it?

                So everything is calm with us. Native Rosguard protects us. We don’t want, as in Paris! That's really where the abnormal ones are. With their standard of living! Snickering. Whether business with us! The alignment of 1% of parasites owns 80% of all the vast wealth, but the humble people are happy with everything. And we have no alternative to Putin. Everything is fine. Welfare and peace.
                1. +1
                  12 December 2019 12: 04
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                  Do you really need tests? Not sitting, on the priest exactly ,,? Can you handle it?

                  So everything is calm with us. Native Rosguard protects us. We don’t want, as in Paris! That's really where the abnormal ones are. With their standard of living! Snickering. Whether business with us! The alignment of 1% of parasites owns 80% of all the vast wealth, but the humble people are happy with everything. And we have no alternative to Putin. Everything is fine. Welfare and peace.

                  In 1917 there was a similar situation. And then? Then 1% of the pitchfork was planted along with the Life Guard.
              2. +3
                14 December 2019 08: 22
                This world is controlled. The so-called “atheist,” this fact is very difficult, to drive into the head

                And you offer to sacrifice animals and perform rituals?

                Not sitting, on the priest exactly ,,? Can you handle it?

                China sat there, and then was robbed. Who does not develop, that will disappear from the map, through the efforts of neighbors.
                And when you touch the computer you committed a sin and will be punished.
        2. -19
          11 December 2019 14: 29
          Pensions are paid from the Pension Fund, but you cannot pay from the budget! (ABC). The National Welfare Fund is generally from another opera. With a flat personal income tax scale, half of ordinary workers do not pay taxes, getting paid in envelopes, which the author did not mention. So let's start with ourselves - honestly pay our taxes, and only then we will reorganize the system.
          1. +11
            11 December 2019 17: 48
            First, the NWF was created to support the FIU. Second, where does this statement come from that "half of the common workers" receive their salaries in envelopes? For 10 years already, the Ministry of Finance has no complaints about the collection of personal income tax. But "to start with yourself", of course, is a wonderful call! Let's stop "cutting" the budget, adopting anti-human laws, killing healthcare and education with "reforms", etc. The only thing is that we have nothing to do with it. Absolutely.
            1. -9
              11 December 2019 20: 03
              Take an interest in the data from Rosstat how many of the able-bodied people officially work, add to this the employees of private enterprises, where almost all of the salary is in envelopes. Only the CIA does not know about this. The Ministry of Finance is very slowly putting things in order. It is possible to use the NWF funds to support the PF, but I would not recommend it: they should be used to the benefit of FUTURE generations.
              1. +1
                12 December 2019 08: 45
                Siluanov and order? Not comme il faut No. This "young man", eagerly listening to Gref, following the orders of the oligarchy. Judging by our economy, we do not have a finance ministry. About:
                "Add to this the employees of private enterprises, where almost all of the salaries are in envelopes." Maybe this is a secret for you, but enterprises hide their income in the form of a greedy state. That takes everything! During the reign of the tandem, more than 78000 enterprises have disappeared in Russia! They are turning our country into a banana republic with an oil hole in the middle. Our country has actually turned into a police state. Why would they? Unclear. But take the same Crimea, after which the country was subjected to sanctions and isolation. They were in the know. So why wasn't the referendum held normally, according to international standards? They apparently wanted the country to find itself in a vacuum. Or everyone forgets about how the Duma (be it not okay) considered giving permission to send troops to Ukraine! Everyone has already forgotten about this. In fact, this would mean the beginning of a war, not a local one. All the edges and shores have long been lured up above. If they realize that they are losing power, they will do whatever they want. And while we sit, wait, argue, they will tighten the nuts tighter and tighter.
                1. +1
                  12 December 2019 15: 47
                  To clarify a little: this whole pack - Siluanov, Gref, Nabiullina and other gang of watering cans are under the control of the IMF, i.e. "owners of money". And with scrupulous accuracy they follow all his instructions (in the recent past, this is the pension "reform" and VAT 20%). Now they have problems: the IMF is demanding the devaluation of the ruble, and Trump is threatening sanctions for deliberately weakening currencies. And jokes with the President of America are bad - you can buzz on bunks for a long time, maybe for 300 years. Here the "great" Russian financiers thought hard ...
                2. -3
                  13 December 2019 13: 36
                  In the closure of enterprises, first of all, their leaders and labor collectives are guilty: they did not manage to withstand. If you protect commercial enterprises from the "greedy state" - then do not demand benefits from it. The sphere of public finance is very complicated, and a red diploma is not a pass there.
                  Better discuss your position in Crimea with Makarevich.
                  Russia is a normal country with good prospects. I am sure that your refrigerator is not empty. The reputation of your country must be taken care of as the reputation of your own wife.
                  1. +2
                    13 December 2019 15: 38
                    I have a normal position in the Crimea, not related to the opinion of Makarevich. Only the ballots did not even really do. The referendum mechanism is not respected. Yes, I protect enterprises. Require benefits from the state? Are you kidding me??? Which ones? I see only rising payments for communal services and rising prices for everything. Raising excise taxes, VAT is not the influence of the state?
                    1. +3
                      13 December 2019 17: 12
                      Quote: dirk182
                      I have a normal position in the Crimea, not related to the opinion of Makarevich. Only the ballots did not even really do. The referendum mechanism is not respected.

                      And you yourself Crimean and participated in the referendum? Something is hard to believe, because in 2014 I saw the Crimea rejoicing in unification, and at the level of ordinary people, because in April I was there and this is what I observed in April 2014:
                      I am in the Crimea and I can say one thing - EVERYONE with whom I spoke (relatives and friends) is sincerely glad that they finally became Russian citizens. And nothing scares them - they believe in the future and that finally they will live like normal people.
                      I will not write about the assessment of what happened by the Crimeans, but I will give one simple example that gives an idea of ​​their moods.
                      The Fresh retail chain is shutting down its chain in Crimea because the Ukrainian government has forbidden them to work there, and they are selling stocks in two currencies. Several cash offices accept hryvnia, and one works only for rubles, although pensions are already received in rubles with a 25% surcharge. Everyone gets rid of the hryvnia, and therefore there is practically no queue at the ruble cash desk. Some, especially elderly people, not seeing the announcement about this, want to pay in it for hryvnia, but the cashier explains that they have to go to another cashier. When I was with one local veteran, when he was told that the hryvnia at the box office did not accept with PRIDE he said - "I pay in Russian rubles!"
                      Well, where in Russia can one see a person so sincerely proud of our money?
                  2. +1
                    13 December 2019 15: 44
                    They stood for their enterprise as a whole team (1500 people), traveled to Moscow, upholstered the thresholds of the ministry, and the State Duma. And what's the point? They were part of one well-known group of companies that became bankrupt. The enterprise is important, even in terms of defense. Produced products in demand. And they lived well, were a city-forming enterprise. Mercilessly declared bankrupt. And sold, for 12 million rubles! There are hundreds of equipment. The CEO two years later died, heart.
                    First of all, their leaders and labor collectives are guilty of the closure of enterprises: they failed to survive.
                    so I don’t need to talk about it
                    1. -3
                      13 December 2019 15: 50
                      Quote: dirk182
                      Mercilessly declared bankrupt. And they sold it, for 12 million rubles! ... The CEO died two years later, the heart

                      I believe. Willingly. Especially after yours:

                      Quote: dirk182
                      Can Pompeo's children live in Russia? And here ... Lavrov’s there ...

                      Maybe you already have the truth -

                      Quote: dirk182
                      There is no point in continuing

                      What do you think? wink
                      1. +1
                        13 December 2019 15: 54
                        Well, you are Golovan Jack) You know better, much! After all, we have a special one) either a major or a colonel. Then spread the info on the pros and cons. Well, the attitude to your comments is special. I would say yes, the word is forbidden.
                      2. -4
                        13 December 2019 16: 00
                        Man, why did you start turning arrows? Vedmedev's laurels do not give rest?

                        I kind of wrote you clearly: Once lied, who will believe you? (with). Ali didn’t get it? wink

                        Get out of my sight laughing
                      3. 0
                        13 December 2019 16: 02
                        I'm not your friend) ok? I don’t give a hand like that) about my daughter .. Does it bother you that she came to Moscow from 2015 to work?) Don't be embarrassed. Face the truth
                      4. -2
                        13 December 2019 16: 16
                        Man, what are you taking to heart so ... well, sat in a puddle wrong, it happens ...
                        Here, aerate yourself, you shy away, and with renewed vigor - into battle ... you are not the first time it is, in my memory laughing
                      5. +2
                        13 December 2019 16: 19
                        You work, don't get distracted. Judging by the number of your comments (over 8000), you are doing a good job. Don't be distracted by my humble personality, feed my family)
                  3. 0
                    17 December 2019 15: 13
                    And you yourself were the head (owner) of a private enterprise, Victor N?
            2. +2
              12 December 2019 16: 18
              So it is, after all, "start with yourself" - a favorite twist of a swindler and a swindler - a classic escape from the stern look.
          2. +1
            12 December 2019 08: 32
            Reforms are "obvious") What is the Deputy Prime Minister to do? The other day, he decided to lower the threshold for duty-free import of parcels. It would seem that there is nothing terrible here? Domestic outbids will sell the same product, only two or three times more expensive. Another reform designed to lift the economy from its knees. But in fact, it is banal filling the pockets of those in power. And you do not argue about the pension. Well, a very sore subject. As if her pension was not canceled at all. After all, they can, like you, refer to the salary "in envelopes".
      2. +35
        11 December 2019 07: 02
        If thieves are at the head of the country, then why be surprised.
        Yesterday Luzhkov "cut the oak." Here he was probably offended. He stole so much money, tried so much! He invented schemes, gave bribes, kickbacks, compromising evidence, etc. It seemed that you could live for yourself at least a thousand years and still you won’t spend what you stole! But no - all the same, he took it and died. I didn't want to die on purpose, but died!
        And after all, which is typical, there are no pockets in the coffin. Of course, you can put money in your coffin, but the same is somehow useless and senseless, only to make people laugh. You can't take anything with you and, what is most offensive, you won't give a bribe to anyone! They just don’t take it, “do you panic”! No logic whatsoever.
        1. +6
          11 December 2019 09: 10
          Well, he (Yu. Luzh) not only thought about himself, but about his family and friends, that’s enough for decades. It is strange that they’re not being buried near the Kremlin wall ..
          1. +8
            11 December 2019 09: 21
            Quote: Gvardeetz77
            Well he

            Well, unlike "kakbykommunistov" he saved many warships for the Motherland and saved many military sailors from starvation!
            1. +4
              11 December 2019 18: 32
              Quote: Serg65
              Quote: Gvardeetz77
              Well he

              Well, unlike "kakbykommunistov" he saved many warships for the Motherland and saved many military sailors from starvation!

              Incidentally, at one time, Luzhkov raised the question of Crimea, so as not to give it to Ukraine. A lot of bad things would not happen if this initiative was approved.
            2. +2
              11 December 2019 18: 52
              As far as I remember, he helped maintain the Moskva missile cruiser at the KChF. Thanks, of course, to him for that. Only the Alrosa submarine in the same fleet was maintained by the Almazy Rossii company. And one more thing: does your statement about the "starvation of sailors" mean that in our other fleets, except for the KChF, sailors were dying en masse? There was no support from the meadow there.
              1. +3
                11 December 2019 19: 40
                Quote: Aviator_
                As far as I remember, he helped maintain the Moskva missile cruiser at the KChF.

                Did he do it out of personal means?
                1. +1
                  11 December 2019 22: 13
                  How can I tell you. Of course, he was one of those "effective managers" who confuse their own wool with the state. So the KChF got the "bundle of wool" from him. Other similar managers gave nothing at all.
                2. 0
                  12 December 2019 10: 23
                  Quote: Liam
                  Did he do it out of personal means?

                  He could not do this at all, but calmly fix it on his laurels .. like for example Zyuganov wink
              2. +4
                12 December 2019 10: 21
                Quote: Aviator_
                that on our other fleets, except for the KChF, the sailors were dying en masse?

                The sailors did not die, but were starving, and not only at the KChF, ask the northerners about Luzhkov’s humanitarian aid in the early 90's!
                Here are the memories of those who served on the PKR "Moskva" behind the eyes called "the prison of peoples"
                In general, there was nothing to eat, only old barley on water without salt and ancient sauerkraut; you could buy anything for grub and cigarettes. It happened when bread, sugar and other products were brought to the box, they put out the light in the tunnel and attacked the consumables, cut a bag of bread or a razor with a razor and ran to the bottom, then of course there was a building on a flight and training anxiety to find products, but it’s useless, that's all it’s been captured for tanking, but it was very tough, if not cruel, in short, the hunger was real, and if you can’t get anything out of the spirit, then it’s a pipe, since nothing got from the tank

                This is the year 1993!
                Patronage of the capital over the Black Sea Fleet of Russia began in 1994, when the Moscow delegation visited the city of Sevastopol. Gifts were brought to Russian sailors on an IL-76 transport plane. Among the gifts were two tons of sugar, canned meat, products of the Moscow cracker and breakfast cereal plant, cigarettes, and personal hygiene items. At the same time, on the initiative of the Moscow Government and public organizations, the Moscow-Sevastopol Charitable Fund was created, the program of patronage relations of Moscow and the Black Sea Fleet, and the main areas of patronage were determined.
                Quote: Aviator_
                did the sailors die in large numbers?

                Not en masse, but everyone was dying like that, for example, the captain of the 2nd rank Molchanov, the first officer of the same "Moscow" ...... died of a heart attack while unloading a barge with flour in the North! THE CAPTAIN OF THE 2nd RANK, STARP OF THE CRUISER unloaded the barge with his officers so that instead of payment he would receive flour for the crew of his cruiser !!!!! So he died under a sack of flour!
                Quote: Aviator_
                Only the Alrosa submarine in the same fleet was maintained by the Almazy Rossii company

                The beginning of this patronage was put by Rear Admiral A.T. Shtyrov, he is also the father of V.A. Shtyrov, who at that time was the president of the Almazy Rossii-Sakha company, that's the whole answer to the name of the submarine!
                Almost the same fate and the BPK "Admiral Kharlamov", if not for the intercession of Rear Admiral N.N. Kharlamov, the son of Admiral N.A. Kharlamov, the BOD was put on pins and needles back in 2006!
                1. LON
                  -1
                  12 December 2019 16: 17
                  Quote: Serg65
                  In general, there was nothing to eat, only old barley on water without salt and ancient sauerkraut; you could buy anything for grub and cigarettes. It happened when bread, sugar and other products were brought to the box, they put out the light in the tunnel and attacked the consumables, cut a bag of bread or a razor with a razor and ran to the bottom, then of course there was a building on a flight and training anxiety to find products, but it’s useless, that's all it’s been captured for tanking, but it was very tough, if not cruel, in short, the hunger was real, and if you can’t get anything out of the spirit, then it’s a pipe, since nothing got from the tank

                  Giving an example of a single outrage, arranged noobs on any given ship. I read your forum: "In MOSCOW, it was accepted as follows: you came to the ship for almost a month, the peppers do not touch you. And the crucian carp watch that you were fed, tell the structure of the ship and what the name of each" PEPPER "is. and for which tank in the galley each one sits and in which combat post he serves.
                  And then I remember at one moment in the cockpit at night the ascent and the interrogation of the ship so that we have printed on the yakar's ass and blue plywood and after that you start to barrel on your own, and then everything depends on you .... "" At 12-15 berths, as soon as the spirits or crucians say that you serve in Moscow, the sailors from other ships immediately began to treat you with sympathy and respect. And years to Moscow years with envy ... In addition to Moscow, there was another ship on the Black Sea Fleet, service on which was considered by the clergy to be terrible and dangerous - this is Admiral Golovko. There, too, as in Moscow, there was a terrible God-anniversary. ..... For different ships there were rumors and gossip, those who were in training will agree with me that only for two ships in the fleet with "knowledge of the matter" they said: God forbid Moscow or Golovko, you can immediately hang up. Hanging was elevated to something natural, everyday and something like getting rid of difficulties and bullying. And the weak in spirit were led to hang on it ... "Found what to cite as an example. You look for the dirt, arranged by scum on two ships, and smear the whole fleet with it. He himself is the same as those who arranged lawlessness. UNLIMITED and LIAR.
                  1. 0
                    13 December 2019 10: 40
                    Quote: LON
                    Look for the dirt arranged by scum on two ships, and smear it with the whole fleet.

                    Breast, darling. I myself went through this, and it’s not my fault that it disturbs you from the truth! And I quoted an excerpt from the fact that people like you do not believe in the word, but you must provide proof!
                    Quote: LON
                    RANDOM and LIAR.

                    Here on this, my friend, provide the opposite! Prove that I'm a liar, tell me how the fleet lived in the 93rd and ate from the belly? I'm all in the attention!
                    1. LON
                      -1
                      13 December 2019 21: 06
                      Quote: Serg65
                      The sailors did not die, but were starving, and not only at the KChF

                      And you don't need to generalize your experience to the whole country. Speak for yourself. If today there are, and there are enough people swarming in the trash heaps to feed themselves, this does not mean that the majority do the same. You equated scum and scoundrels with the Moskva anti-ship missile system, with the entire CFR.
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            1. +4
              11 December 2019 15: 05
              Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
              Here, by the way, is a good question.
              It is necessary to tell the guarantor.

              there are no empty seats and then the guarantor is so baptized from everything Soviet laughing
          3. -1
            11 December 2019 10: 35
            It is necessary to bury under the Kremlin wall.
        2. +35
          11 December 2019 10: 59
          The logic is simple: "What is supposed to be a lion is not supposed to be a donkey":
          1. +13
            11 December 2019 13: 20
            Quote: Robert
            The logic is simple: "What is supposed to be a lion is not supposed to be a donkey":

            Justice, for your good. The orphan robbed a private merchant for chocolate, the deputy mayor stole childhood and chocolate from the orphan.
        3. -12
          11 December 2019 14: 40
          Phew, how ugly about a dead man!
          1. 0
            17 December 2019 15: 23
            What earned, then get it, Victor N.
        4. +1
          11 December 2019 17: 58
          Kleptomaniacs have no logic. Does not steal, withdrawal begins. And only one treatment is physical work in the fresh air (medicines are powerless) behind barbed wire. This treatment will begin soon. It's just a pity that Meadow "left" untreated. Baturina will have to undergo treatment for two.
        5. +3
          11 December 2019 20: 06
          Small correction. According to the classics, "oak" is not "cut in", but "given". "Gave an oak", "Dam an oak", Dubadam ", etc., etc. But these are only the most powerful - the railway conductors, etc. For me, Mr. Luzhkov, like the master Bezenchuk he determined the place, “giggled.” He himself didn’t want to be in May, giving his mustache to a young woman.
      3. +4
        11 December 2019 09: 37
        "WE DO NOT RENT OURS"
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    2. +28
      11 December 2019 06: 11
      Test photo! Thank you, I laughed in the morning
      On the topic there should be a photo of the chairman of the Duma committee on taxes, citizen Makarov .. He is also funny from the initiatives of the Communist Party negative
      1. +12
        11 December 2019 10: 50
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        Duma Committee on Taxes of Citizen Makarov .. He is also funny from the initiatives of the Communist Party

        why is it funny?

        he lost a lot of weight when he got into our taxes

        ============================
        1. 0
          11 December 2019 20: 08
          He made dropsy when he fled from Mount of Olives to Pilate’s house.
      2. -1
        11 December 2019 18: 00
        Is Makarov a citizen? Not a citizen?
    3. +3
      11 December 2019 06: 39
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Test photo! Thank you, I laughed in the morning

      Thank you Igor, I also laugh in the morning. Ghouls are still those.
      1. +19
        11 December 2019 06: 45
        But something is no longer funny to me. It's disgusting.
    4. +11
      11 December 2019 07: 16
      What is it? Who is dissatisfied? Senior citizens? They have no strength to stand up for themselves. Young people? So they, too, silently reacted to the pension reform. Middle-aged? So they themselves are being torn as sticky, and they are not just parents and grandmothers, they are afraid to shine for themselves. laughing
      So how much will each pay so much. As the motherland says. The topic is closed.
      1. +4
        11 December 2019 10: 12
        Who is dissatisfied?
        quite right, a couple of hundred people came to the rally organized by the Communist Party in Volgograd, the rest do not care, because the day off is .... well, rightly so
      2. +2
        11 December 2019 20: 14
        Young people do not think about retirement, and in principle it is impossible to make them think about it. Now, if some genius inspires youth that she will not be forever young - some social movement (of course, completely legal) may arise. But no.
    5. +26
      11 December 2019 07: 30
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Test photo! Thank you, I laughed in the morning

      I'm not funny .. annoying faces ...
      We have the power of billionaires .. so how do they castrate themselves? .. More and more inclined .. that we will not have evolution ..
      1. -40
        11 December 2019 08: 04
        Quote: Svarog
        More and more inclined .. that we will not have evolution ..

        As long as I remember you, you only talk about this. And evolution, nevertheless, was, is and will be. "Svarog" laughing
        1. +11
          11 December 2019 08: 59
          I agree with you!
          For the evolution of 1,5 million Rosgvardiya (and others like them) a lot ...
          Probably just right for the revolution! Although there (security officials), to put it mildly, a mess!

          According to the photo:
          People with faces of 50 kg or more (not swollen from starvation at all) can think of something else except their welfare? ... State Duma however ... I assume NO!
      2. -23
        11 December 2019 08: 44
        Quote: Svarog
        We have the power of billionaires

        The power of billionaires to evil decided to conduct an experiment, to give some regions of the country to the Communists, so to speak, to build communism in individual parts of the country! Residents of these regions have already begun to dream of rivers with sweet and sour banks, of fabulous pensions and retirement at 30, but to the horror of the inhabitants, communism again passed them by ... the mind, honor and conscience of the people began to steal many times more than previous thieves! So the question arises in this connection among the people .. well, how long will it take the Communists to steal until they calm down?
        1. +13
          11 December 2019 08: 54
          Quote: Serg65
          to the horror of the inhabitants, communism again passed by them ... the mind, honor and conscience of the people began to steal many times more than previous thieves!
          Um, did you come up with this now? For specific examples, please go to the studio. Moreover, not one example, but several, so that there was some statistics confirming the thesis about "communist thieves".
          1. -3
            11 December 2019 09: 15
            Quote: Greenwood
            Specific examples, please, in the studio

            Oh yes for God's sake!
            The first, of course, is the Irkutsk governor Levchenko with his son, followed by the Khak mister-comrade Konovalov, and the third is the Communist Party’s hope, the Oryol governor, Mr. Klychkov!
            It confirms..
            Quote: Greenwood
            the thesis about "communist thieves"

            ??
            1. BAI
              +9
              11 December 2019 13: 30
              It remains only to give an example of how crystal-clear Abramovich at his own expense contained Chukotka. Or remember G. Popov, who said that officials should take money for a signature, and when he became one of the first billionaires in Russia, he left the post of mayor of Moscow by order of the prosecutor’s office.
              1. -6
                11 December 2019 14: 02
                Quote: BAI
                It remains only to give an example of how crystal honest Abramovich at his own expense contained Chukotka

                laughing Well, Abramovich, for at least 8 years, showed the Chukchi what Communism really is! But the former chief accountant of Khoper-Invest, a State Duma deputy from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Comrade Rodin, did anyone make anyone happy?
                Quote: BAI
                Or remember G. Popov

                Maxim died, and ... figs with him negative
            2. +1
              11 December 2019 14: 07
              And now attention, a question. Which of these people is a communist? laughing
              1. -9
                11 December 2019 14: 09
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Which of these people is a communist?

                Yes, of course - nobody. True Communist - he, as a pioneer, "an example to all the guys" laughing

                And the one who "is not an example" is not a communist at all, but simply a member of ... the party, naturally.

                Famous Mayya laughing
                1. +1
                  11 December 2019 14: 25
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  the one who is "not an example" is not a communist

                  Well, in that case, you need to understand who is the "example"?
                  1. -12
                    11 December 2019 14: 56
                    Quote: Serg65
                    in this case, you need to understand who is the "example"?

                    As far as I understand the current sufferers of communism, in their model of the world there is an ideal, spherical communist: the ideal "from and to", a man anywhere, in full bloom ... well, just a peer, not a girl laughing

                    Anyone who does not fully comply with this model, at any convenient moment (for a sufferer of communism, SEC) can be declared "not quite a communist", or even "not at all a communist."

                    Thus, Communist thieves do not exist, because, in the understanding of the SEC, they simply cannot be by definition.
                    1. -1
                      11 December 2019 15: 01
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      they simply cannot be by definition.

                      what Those. classic? You don’t see the gopher, but he is! laughing
                    2. +1
                      11 December 2019 15: 19
                      Some EPPeshniki practice ascribing to their opponent stupid thoughts. And other traditional and non-traditional demagogy.laughing
                      1. +2
                        12 December 2019 10: 28
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Some EPPeshniks

                        And some KPRFshnik are trying to replace the lack of mind with rudeness! laughing
                      2. -1
                        12 December 2019 10: 45
                        Quote: Serg65
                        And some KPRFshnik are trying to replace the lack of mind with rudeness!

                        Why did you decide that I am a supporter of the Communist Party? And you decided in demagoguery? Do not even try to spoil your nerves very much and you will suffer from the understanding of how stupid you are. laughing
                      3. +2
                        12 December 2019 11: 15
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Why did you decide that I am a supporter of the Communist Party?

                        Hey zinger, but they’re not calling you a chance, but in the world Vlad ??? what
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        you will suffer from understanding how stupid you are.

                        laughing Oh don’t make me laugh, through my hands of people like you suffering from mental diarrhea, I won’t remember how much has passed, not you first, not you last wink
                      4. 0
                        13 December 2019 00: 45
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Hey zinger, but they’re not calling you a chance, but in the world Vlad ???

                        Clear. You obviously have hallucinations. smile So why did you decide that I was a supporter of the Russian capitalist party?
                    3. +1
                      11 December 2019 18: 51
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      As far as I understand the current sufferers of communism, in their model of the world there is an ideal, spherical communist: the ideal "from and to",

                      Do not lie - in their model there is primarily social justice in relation to the distribution of income from PUBLIC property, which our naive people voluntarily gave into the hands of crooks.
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Anyone who does not fully comply with this model, at any convenient moment (for a sufferer of communism, SEC) can be declared "not quite a communist", or even "not at all a communist."

                      I do not think that the current representatives of the Communist Party are so radical, because they learned from the collapse of the USSR, and even made peace with the church. So do not expose them to some kind of orthodox, which does not exclude the internal party struggle, as a result of which dissatisfied with the current course of the Communist Party appear. I’m telling you this as non-partisan, but understanding the advantage of leftist ideas.
                      1. -4
                        11 December 2019 20: 30
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Do not lie

                        Young man, are you looking for yourself trouble?

                        Not so sharp ... right - not worth it Yes
                      2. -1
                        11 December 2019 21: 04
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Young man, are you looking for yourself trouble?

                        Relax, a fighter with the Communists, you are our implacable, and do not take so painfully what is obvious to other readers of the forum. And at the same time learn to at least be objective, if you already make general conclusions about our history.
                      3. -5
                        11 December 2019 21: 07
                        Quote: ccsr
                        fighter with the communists you are our implacable

                        I don't give a damn about the current communists. And the correct ones even in the days of my youth were ones.

                        Now they are not at all, local Internet entities do not count.

                        Quote: ccsr
                        learn to at least be objective

                        Take away ... those two bast shoes. Teacher, plin Yes
                      4. -1
                        11 December 2019 21: 11
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        I don't give a damn about the current communists.

                        And why then drove the wave, you are our fighter, implacable?
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        And there were only a few who were right even in my youth.

                        That’s exactly what was in your youth — you couldn’t communicate with them when you were young, but you have already determined how many there were.
                      5. -2
                        11 December 2019 21: 19
                        Quote: ccsr
                        And why then drove the wave, you are our fighter, implacable?

                        Wave, buddy, you drove. And since I’m a fighter, it’s certainly not yours laughing

                        Quote: ccsr
                        you in childhood and could not communicate with them

                        Well, how much do you know ... don't aggravate, buddy.

                        Quote: ccsr
                        already determined how many were

                        There were few of them. And now - not at all, some talkers remained. Well, like you, for example request
                      6. 0
                        12 December 2019 12: 23
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        There were few of them. And now - not at all, some talkers remained.

                        It's not for you to judge how many there were, even though you are trying to pose as a know-it-all. I won’t talk about the current ones - I’m not a member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and I don’t want to give ratings, because against the background of Zhirinovsky and his gop company, they do not look like talkers.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Well, like you, for example

                        Yes, and you, for example, immediately see that the trepak is excellent, judging by your posts on this forum ....
                      7. 0
                        12 December 2019 10: 31
                        Quote: ccsr
                        in their model, first of all, there is social justice in relation to the distribution of income from PUBLIC property

                        Examples of social justice from the Communist Party over the past 28 years can you give?
                      8. +1
                        12 December 2019 12: 42
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Examples of social justice from the Communist Party over the past 28 years can you give?

                        What examples are of interest to you — the payment of contributions by the communists or their ideas that they tried to pass through the Duma?
                        Unfortunately, they can’t do anything in the Duma, because the majority of the deputies elected by you and people like you block all socially fair laws, which is why nothing can be brought about. Although I think with a more serious analysis of their activities over 28 years, you can find their initiatives that were embodied and bore a socially just character. I think if you want you can easily find them:
                        21.06.2017
                        In the first reading, the Communist Party bill passed in defense of the rights of workers
                        The draft law, supported by the government, the relevant committee of the State Duma and trade unions, excludes the unreasonable assignment of full material responsibility to the employee. The State Duma at a plenary meeting adopted the bill in the first reading .....

                        https://kprf.ru/dep/initiatives/
                    4. +2
                      12 December 2019 03: 48
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Quote: Serg65
                      in this case, you need to understand who is the "example"?

                      As far as I understand the current sufferers of communism, in their model of the world there is an ideal, spherical communist: the ideal "from and to", a man anywhere, in full bloom ... well, just a peer, not a girl laughing

                      Anyone who does not fully comply with this model, at any convenient moment (for a sufferer of communism, SEC) can be declared "not quite a communist", or even "not at all a communist."

                      Thus, Communist thieves do not exist, because, in the understanding of the SEC, they simply cannot be by definition.

                      But what about the respected tuta billionaire sterninum ??? feel lol lol lol
                      1. -1
                        12 December 2019 12: 48
                        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                        But what about the respected tuta billionaire sternin

                        Yes, just like everyone who rules the country, including those whom we elect, is a common product of Russian capitalism, and there is nothing surprising in this, especially since in 1991 we ourselves chose the capitalist path of development.
                        It is not clear why the leaders of the Communist Party clung to him, because it was a mistake that only pushed part of the electorate from this party.
                      2. -1
                        17 December 2019 15: 35
                        Yes, just like everyone who rules the country, including those whom we elect, is a common product of Russian capitalism, and there is nothing surprising in this, especially since we ourselves in 1991 chose the capitalist path of development.

                        In 1991, we, for the most part, citizens of the USSR voted for its preservation, for socialism, as amended, but not for the capitalist path of development, especially not for what we were given in 93.
                      3. +2
                        17 December 2019 18: 59
                        Quote: NordUral
                        In 1991, we, for the most part, citizens of the USSR voted for its preservation, for socialism, as amended, but not for the capitalist path of development, especially not for what we were given in 93.

                        There is no need to tell fairy tales, because no one in the country went into civil disobedience when the Communist Party was banned, but I have seen many times screaming with placards "Down with the KPSS". So let's not shy away from the personal responsibility of citizens for capitalism, bashfully hiding behind the wording about voting - in 1917 our ancestors did not vote in October, but simply overthrew the objectionable Provisional Government, and this says everything. And you can continue to believe that those who were preparing the overthrow of the CPSU dreamed of listening to the opinion of the people - but they didn’t give a damn about the sheep yelling “Down with the KPSS”, because they knew why they organized a coup d'etat, and they achieved their goal. So you can cry into your vest, but not for me - I understand perfectly well that our people are paying for their stupidity, and this is a good history lesson. I hope it will be useful for future generations.
                      4. 0
                        17 December 2019 19: 22
                        ccsr , for the Communist Party, as it became by the 91st, no one stood up. Perestroika was adopted precisely because the top, and indeed the entire almost party and Soviet hardware layer, was rotten through and through.
                        , And yet, I never cry anywhere, but I urge those who still believe in the good gentleman to take care of him to wake up and wake up.
                        And finally, if those generations that live now do not change anything, then it is possible that there will be no future generations, just like countries.
                      5. 0
                        17 December 2019 19: 32
                        I confirm. +
                      6. +2
                        17 December 2019 19: 51
                        Quote: NordUral
                        for the Communist Party, which it became by the 91st, no one stood up. Perestroika was adopted precisely because the top, and indeed the entire almost party and Soviet hardware layer, was rotten through and through.

                        I was an ordinary member of the CPSU and I can argue that the party leadership that led us might be silly, but against the background of the current rulers, they looked silver-free, and you can’t refute this by anything. And you can easily find material about the current crooks from the country's leadership without me - there would be a desire.
                        And now tell me honestly what was better for the country - "rotten party workers" headed by Leonid Ilyich, who received 2000 rubles in salary, or the current state multimillionaires telling fools how they "suffer for the people"? Just do not wag and at least give yourself a truthful answer, maybe you will look at something differently.
                        Quote: NordUral
                        and wake up those who still believe in the good gentleman, who will take care of him.

                        Stop fantasizing - they only know how to suck beer, and yell "Russia forward" when some millionaire scores a goal on the football field. So no one will think of waking up, they are already fine - and this is a fact.
                        Quote: NordUral
                        And finally, if those generations that live now do not change anything, then it is possible that there will be no future generations, just like countries.

                        I agree 100% with this conclusion, and this is what scares me the most, because we will simply disappear as an ethnos, giving way to alien peoples and cultures.
                      7. -1
                        17 December 2019 20: 36
                        ccsr , I’m not talking about the rotten part of the party and the Soviets, that there were no honest and decent people in these layers of power. Brezhnev amid everything from Andropov to an almost perfect communist, like many of his entourage. But the trouble of our country is that at the same time in this environment, and in the invisible by us, there were those who prepared the collapse of the country.
                        We were not lucky, the cards were so laid down that Stalin could not leave and put in his place a successor and the power was seized by the near-by khrushch.
                        The trouble with our country is that its leaders after Stalin were not worthy of the role that they were trying to play. Not to mention those who played on the other side.
                        The country was slowly decomposed, creating artificial shortages or the complete absence of much that could be produced.
                        Nikita interrupted the scientific and technological breakthrough of the 40-50s, under Brezhnev they finished off the remains, moving to copying the western one.
                        On even such a Union was a great scientific and industrial power.
                        Because he was killed. And we, we, too, were good, why wag this.
                        The old people began to understand this gradually, having regained consciousness from the troubles, but our children - they are all on the drum, they live only in the present, they don’t think about the future.
                        And this: Stop fantasizing - they only know how to suck beer, and yell "Russia forward" when some millionaire scores a goal on the football field. So no one will think of waking up, they are already fine - and this is a fact. scares me too
                        despite all my optimism. AND
                        And if in the presidential election in the 24th or earlier, which is not excluded, we will not take these thieves out of power, then I think that this will end our story, both of the country and of the people.
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                    5. +1
                      12 December 2019 22: 02
                      As for who a communist is, everything has long been determined. Look at the movie "Communist", everything is "Russian in white", there is no clearer understanding.
              2. +3
                11 December 2019 14: 21
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Which of these people is a communist?

                what Komsomolets Abramovich .. no, no, no ...... Secretary of the Komsomol of Moscow State University, member of the CPSU Popov ... no, well, definitely not! Well, here ... Vladimir Romanovich ... the hero of Russian and non-Russian fairy tales! Member of the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU, member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, holder of the Order of Merit to the Party ... why aren't you a communist?
                1. +1
                  12 December 2019 17: 13
                  They are all communists — they are all rotten.
              3. +1
                12 December 2019 03: 45
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                And now attention, a question. Which of these people is a communist? laughing

                breastin ... many local commentators will tell you about this ... and dare to object to the current !!! wink wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
            3. +11
              11 December 2019 14: 14
              Quote: Serg65
              Hakak Mr. Comrade Konovalov
              I am following the activities of this governor very actively. Specific facts of theft on his part? Well, except for the crap on the part of the edrosovskiy mass media, which was poured on him a few months ago.
              1. -4
                11 December 2019 14: 29
                Quote: Greenwood
                Specific facts of theft on his part?

                Comrade, there are only premium "parachutes" by Stalinist standards to pull the tower! And if you start digging in the passenger transport industry, then by Brezhnev's standards, the wall shines for "especially large sizes"!
                1. +4
                  11 December 2019 15: 18
                  I read your comments. They are all made according to the principle that your idol adheres to; he cannot be a minister, since he has accounts abroad. Use a brekhunok designed for not distant people who use the Kremlin propaganda. Even if you justify your arguments with documents, there will be no faith in them, because everything that our court produces is not a product of justice, but a purely administrative decision:
                2. +4
                  11 December 2019 17: 21
                  Quote: Serg65
                  only one premium "parachutes"
                  Well, I asked you to do without mess. Everything is clear with you.
                  1. +2
                    12 December 2019 10: 35
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Everything is clear with you.

                    laughing Oh yes you fse fret !!!! good
            4. -1
              17 December 2019 15: 30
              This is a listing of surnames, Serg65. Facts where?
        2. +2
          11 December 2019 12: 55
          The point, apparently, is not in the parties, but in specific people. And apparently there is an acute shortage of them now. There would be at least one to replace Putin. And at the time to exclaim with Diogenes: ,, Man, where are you? Answer me! ,,
          crying request
          1. +3
            11 December 2019 13: 14
            Quote: Nick Russ
            The matter, apparently, is not in parties, but in specific people

            I guess I agree with you!
          2. +3
            11 December 2019 15: 24
            Quote: Nick Russ
            There would be at least one to replace Putin.

            The consequences will be the same as in any gang, that is, "head ax"
        3. -1
          12 December 2019 15: 43
          Do not confuse the warm with the soft, the Communist Party and the Communists are not the same either.
      3. 0
        11 December 2019 20: 16
        They say that the one who laughs last laughs well. I’m not sure that the laughing people remember this. And the electorate, in general, is not particularly funny. Maybe something still makes him laugh?
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    7. +1
      14 December 2019 08: 06
      In the West, they went on to progression, not out of kindness of soul, but because of the threat of losing their fortunes, during leftist movements around the world and competition with the communist country. Progression allowed them to relieve social tension and redirect funds to modernization, to the military-industrial complex and the fight against the USSR.
      In Russia, it will share with the country, only a threat can force roselite, but there are no threats, so there will be no progress.
  2. +20
    11 December 2019 05: 53
    Yes, neither collect nor punish ... Yes, and who will punish? Myself, beloved.
  3. +23
    11 December 2019 05: 54
    A greedy redneck in power is the main characteristic of "Edra".
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    2. -6
      11 December 2019 08: 45
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      A greedy redneck in power is the main characteristic of "Edra".

      what I apologize wildly .. and Sergey Georgievich Levchenko, he is also from "Edra" ???
      1. +5
        11 December 2019 09: 00
        But did the Communist Party cut this bill? It seemed to me that she nominated him, for all the spinelessness of her leadership. Correct me if I was wrong.
        1. -8
          11 December 2019 09: 06
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Correct me if I was wrong.

          And what about the weather vane fraction of the Communist Party, if I’m governor thieves from the Communist Party?
          1. +7
            11 December 2019 09: 11
            And then the thief-governor (probable, one) if the article and discussion about unfair taxation? It seems to me that you are trying to troll.
            Quote: Serg65
            And here the vane fraction of the Communist Party, if I’m governor thieves from the Communist Party
            But this is your statement of the question, however: - What does the Communist Party have to do with if I mean the Communist Party.
            1. -7
              11 December 2019 09: 19
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              And here the thief-governor

              Oh yes, of course, where does the governor? He’s a communist, well, think about stealing slowly .. whoever doesn’t steal right now, really!
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              (probable, one)

              To your shame, no!
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              your question

              This is not my question, this is your fifth point. wink
              1. +8
                11 December 2019 09: 26
                An article about the bill put forward by the Communist Party, and which was hacked to death by EdRO. Submit an article about thieves from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation if at your 5th point it suddenly zasverbil. It is you who put your 5th point in the wrong place, you need to hang a sign on it "Carrying out 1 meter" like on a tram.
                1. -6
                  11 December 2019 09: 37
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  An article about the bill that was put forward by the Communist Party, and which hacked the EdRO

                  laughing And what, I have no right to say about Communist thieves? Vladimir, but I would also like to say about the strange spike between the Communists and the Nazis ... may I?
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Article about the bill

                  recourse Well, the Communist Party has always been distinguished by populism!
                  13% of the salary of a worker in 20 thousand is 2600 rubles, and 13% of the salary of a leading manager of 500 thousand is 65 thousand rubles and you think that 2600 is the same as 65000 ????
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  you need to hang a tablet on it

                  laughing Well, the Communists have such a favorite party game .. hang signs !!!!
                  1. +10
                    11 December 2019 09: 55
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Vladimir, but I would also like to say about the strange spike between the Communists and the Nazis ... may I?
                    Yes, I’m permitting, for a long time I didn’t read stupid tales about the Kama object, but I didn’t read any joint and tank schools.
                    Quote: Serg65
                    And what, I have no right to say about communist thieves
                    Yes, tell me about Edro-thieves, the Internet is packed, so bring a fresh stream. But why do you think they are communists, they are the same communists as Gorby and Yeltsin. In addition, I do not see any bills on toughening the punishment for theft on an especially large scale from EdRo. Are they afraid of thieves for the "communists"?
                    Quote: Serg65
                    13% of the salary of a worker in 20 thousand is 2600 rubles, and 13% of the salary of a leading manager in 500 thousand is 65 thousand rubles and you think that 2600 is the same as 65000
                    Dumb call. What is he for? You just need to calculate how much will remain on hand after paying the tax. And how to live on it, but your party conscience and mind are afraid of this will not allow
                    Quote: Serg65
                    you need to hang a tablet on it

                    laughing Well, the Communists have such a favorite party game .. hang signs

                    Well, yes, the Communists came up with TB itself, what an abomination, to think about the safety of others. This is definitely not about Edro.
                    1. 0
                      11 December 2019 11: 00
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      For a long time I didn’t read stupid tales about the Kama object, but I didn’t read any joint and tank schools.

                      Oh yes, I don’t even remember about those days past ... I apologize about these days ... so to speak!
                      For example, let’s say from a fresh ... young communists, led by a member of the Moscow Intergovernmental Committee of the SCM of the Russian Federation, 1st Secretary of the Central District Organization of the SCM of the Russian Federation of Moscow, Pavel Tarasov, together with the DPNI, RONS and the National Union with great pleasure participated in cleaning up the center of Moscow from gays and lesbians.
                      I myself am contemptuous of gays and lesbians, but the fact of a close relationship with the Movement Against Illegal Immigration and RONS personally leads me to unpleasant thoughts, Vladimir!
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Dumb call

                      laughing How does it feel like communist morality !!!
                      The sunset is normal, the more you earn, the more you pay! wink
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      how to live it

                      But I do not disdain to work at two jobs, what is the problem?
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      your party conscience

                      laughing good And here you are past! In the 91st Komsomol rested in the Bose and since then I am non-partisan wink
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Of course, the Communists came up with TB, what an abomination, to think about the safety of those around them. This is definitely not about Edro.

                      good The school of communist propaganda is felt!
                      1. +2
                        11 December 2019 11: 10
                        Quote: Serg65
                        your party conscience

                        laughing good And here you are past! In the 91st Komsomol rested in the Bose and since then I am non-partisan

                        Which Komsomol? Are you not from EdR or what? Fight for them like LGBT people in parades.
                      2. +3
                        11 December 2019 11: 33
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Are you not from EdR or what?

                        Not really from there bully
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Fight for them

                        My friend, Vladimir, I’m not fighting for them, I’m fighting for the future of my children and really do not want them to know what it is DARK !!!!
                      3. 0
                        11 December 2019 14: 14
                        Quote: Serg65
                        My friend, Vladimir, I’m not fighting for them, I’m fighting for the future of my children and really do not want them to know what it is DARK !!!!

                        Already burst into tears. And why not the whole text of CAPSOM? Weakly show crap. laughing
                      4. +2
                        11 December 2019 14: 35
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        And why not the whole text of CAPSOM?

                        what Do you have it, text?
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Weakly show crap.

                        Yes, I tried to hide it somehow, but I’m not hiding anything from you. crying
                      5. -2
                        13 December 2019 14: 42
                        The sunset is normal, the more you earn, the more you pay! wink


                        A person does not earn in order to pay more or less ..
                        He works and earns to live !!
                        The interest rate of the tax itself does not mean anything .. the amount that remains on hand is important ..
                        A person receiving 20 thousand a month differs from receiving 500 thousand, not at all 25 times .. as some people think (although this difference in itself is no longer small) And they differ by infinity !! For, the second has a few hundred thousand left to live, while the first has nothing left .. (I’m generally scared to imagine how a person can survive by getting 20 per month)


                        But I do not disdain to work at two jobs, what is the problem?
                        The problem is that the average salary of our hard workers across the country is about 25 thousand rubles .. and this is just a fact ..
                        You can, of course, argue that it is the whole country that disdains to work .. But this is from the category - you are all fools, and I alone am beautiful in a white coat ..

                        laughing wink laughing good wink good

                        Well, exactly as in the photo for the article ..
                        Actually, this alone has already said a lot ..
                      6. +2
                        13 December 2019 17: 52
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        The problem is that the average salary of our hard workers across the country is about 25 thousand rubles .. and this is just a fact ..
                        You can, of course, argue that it is the whole country that disdains to work .. But this is from the category - you are all fools, and I alone am beautiful in a white coat ..

                        I'm afraid that you do not know everything about the payment of "hard workers" in our country, and where this figure comes from. I do not presume to judge the whole situation, but here is how it happens in small business, I will try to explain.
                        So, as one author rightly noted here, about 43% of taxes an entrepreneur must pay of the amount of payment to his employee, and this is an absolutely reliable fact. For Moscow, there is a minimum wage, below which it is impossible to pay, and now it is about 20 thousand rubles. (s / n below this amount attracts the attention of the tax - this is true, note). Suppose a certain entrepreneur, having calculated all the costs of his business project, determined that he can pay about 10% of the turnover to his employee, and physically this value conditionally pours out at 70-80 thousand rubles per month. Further, the entrepreneur offers the employee two options to choose from. The first - the salary of 23 thousand is officially shown, from this amount approximately 10 thousand are paid taxes, as a result of which an employee with a salary fund of 80 thousand remains about 70 thousand rubles clean.
                        The second option - the entire salary of 80 thousand is shown, 43% of taxes are deducted from it, about 34 thousand rubles, and the "hard worker" receives 46 thousand rubles. with the payment of all taxes.
                        Now strain yourself and tell me which payment option the "hard worker" will choose in this situation. Naturally, the first option, because his psychology and "faith" to our state are so obvious that he wants to receive money now, and not think about what kind of pension he will receive in 20-30 years. So when they write that in the country the average salary in the country is 25 thousand, it does not surprise me, because I know that in reality it is more for a huge number of employees, but they just never legally want to show it. I do not presume to judge all hired workers in the country, especially in big business, there is a different situation, but the fact that such a situation in small business I guarantee 100%, tk. I know this field too well. Moreover, a large number of Moscow pensioners earn money in small businesses, but without official registration, so as not to lose the "Luzhkov" bonus. That is why our statistics on the "average salary" in the country, in my opinion, are very approximate, because those who make laws in our country are very far from "hard workers" and will never understand what is really happening, and this is very sad ...
                      7. -1
                        16 December 2019 14: 09
                        I'm afraid that you do not know everything about the payment of "hard workers" in our country,
                        I'm afraid that to know everything is not possible .. and not necessarily ..

                        this is how it happens in small business, I’ll try to explain ..... Suppose a certain entrepreneur, having calculated all the costs of his business project, determined that he can pay about 10% of the turnover to his employee,

                        Suppose, specifically, my employer receives, hmm .. somewhere about 20 more than any of our employees .. despite the fact that the staff is about 10 people ..
                        So the phrase "can pay" does not make any sense .. they pay what they want, not how much they can ..

                        Further, the entrepreneur offers the employee two options to choose from.
                        Are you definitely from Russia ??) Maybe, of course, somewhere someone offers .. in 1 case out of 10 ..

                        Now strain yourself and tell me which payment option the "hard worker" will choose in this situation.
                        You can not strain .. for - see above .. This is the first !!.
                        The second - what all this matters in general !!

                        25 thousand, this does not surprise me, because I know that it’s real a lot more employees

                        Right!! But the trick is that it has less even more huge quantity !!
                        Just a few days listening to the radio .. and just google ..

                        For the amount of 50 thousand rubles, more than a third of the respondents voted - 35 percent. A slightly smaller number of respondents - 31 percent - called the amount of 40-50 thousand rubles fair income. Twenty percent of those polled voted for 30-40 thousand rubles, ten percent chose the option of 21-30 thousand rubles.


                        https://ria.ru/20191211/1562237927.html
                        https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2019/12/11/12858668.shtml
                        https://rg.ru/2019/12/11/rossiiane-nazvali-spravedlivoj-zarplatu-v-50-tysiach-rublej.html

                        As you can see, many only dream of 25 .. many more already have these "riches" ..
                        Well, even those who would like to receive 40 thousand - hardly would have called such a figure, having received literally yesterday 35 .. Even the third that considers fair 40-50 thousand - potentially fit into the number of those who now receive the notorious 25, or, just a little over !!
                        And, of course, here we are not talking about white or black RFP ..
                        When people talk about their "Wishlist", they mean income.

                        our statistics on the "average salary" in the country, in my opinion, are very approximate

                        But you can always just chat with people ..
                        Just the other day my friend was wondering why she returned from Moscow to Vrn .. And because the RFP in Magnit / Pyaterochka has something there, what’s 20-25 thousand, +/-
                        And renting an apartment in Vrn is much cheaper, while in Moscow it takes half the earnings .. And what’s most surprising - the person really believes that you can live on it .. Mom’s pension, plus some kind of alimony .. As she says, she has enough here at least for life .. And there are plenty of such examples !!
                        You can, of course, find others ... when people in the same Moscow time spin like a squirrel in a wheel .. earning much more .. Probably, you can work in Magnets in three shifts .. Just looking back at the heading ... billionaires do not work 146 hours a day ..

                        those who make laws in our country are very far from "hard workers" and will never understand what is really happening, and this is very sad ...


                        I can not agree ..))
                      8. +2
                        16 December 2019 19: 16
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Suppose, specifically, my employer receives, hmm .. somewhere about 20 more than any of our employees .. despite the fact that the staff is about 10 people ..
                        So the phrase "can pay" does not make any sense .. they pay what they want, not how much they can ..

                        This is not entirely true, because if you pay a little, you will not find the hired employees of the right qualifications, and this will be the problem of the employer himself, and I know what I'm talking about.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Are you sure from Russia ??)

                        I think that you are definitely not an individual entrepreneur, since you don’t understand what I'm writing about.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        As you can see, many only dream of 25 .. many more already have these "riches" ..

                        Without any dreams - the announcement of an admission to study and to work on the drivers in the Moscow metro indicates the guaranteed earnings of drivers and their assistants from 65 to 115 thousand rubles with a full social package. During the study, a scholarship is paid - 30 thousand.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        But because the RFP in Magnet / Pyaterochka has something there, what's 20-25 thousand, +/-

                        There they pay for 15 working days, and plus cheap food, so this is not an example. Those who work in other chain stores, especially those selling electronics, we are talking about 40 or more thousand.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        when people in the same Moscow time spin like a squirrel in a wheel .. earning much more ..

                        With this I agree, it is precisely those who can work this way that just get more.
                      9. 0
                        18 December 2019 12: 13
                        This is not entirely true, because if you pay a little, you will not find the hired employees of the right qualifications, and this will be the problem of the employer himself, and I know what I'm talking about.
                        If they knew, they certainly would not say .. For my facts are somehow more weighty than your "I know":
                        1. specifically my employer receives, hmm .. somewhere about 20 more than any of our employees .. despite the fact that the staff is about 10 people ..
                        So the phrase "can pay" does not make any sense .. they pay what they want, not how much they can ..
                        2.
                        if you pay a little, you won’t find the employees you need
                        I’ll tell you a secret .. right now these same employees receive little .. but they continue to work .. Right there at that very second, a mechanic of the 6th category repairs a turbine at a thermal power plant for some 30 thousand a month .. It can also come out with processing, and with the weekend .. And after working there sometime some years, I just know exactly what qualifications are needed there !! And these people do not create problems for the employer .. because they have nowhere to go ..

                        I think that you are definitely not an individual entrepreneur, since you don’t understand what I'm writing about.
                        Of course, I'm not an entrepreneur ..

                        It was about
                        Next entrepreneur offers employee Two options to choose from.
                        And I’m the most that employee .. And I also have more acquaintances than businessmen .. But because I don’t understand what you are writing about .. because in our country no one is employees does not offer ..

                        Without any dreams - the announcement of an admission to study and to work on the drivers in the Moscow metro indicates the guaranteed earnings of drivers and their assistants from 65 to 115 thousand rubles with a full social package. During the study, a scholarship is paid - 30 thousand.



                        That's right .. Aeroflot receives pilots, and indicates earnings of several hundred thousand .. But why do we need this ??
                        The concept - the average salary is completely unfamiliar or something ??
                        This is something like our president "reasoning" .. When teachers tell him their salaries, and he babbles back to them that according to his data they receive 70 thousand .. Well, there is a person really torn from the world for many years, but really all Muscovites they have become the same .. (Shl .. you have multi-level interchanges there every month open new ones, but in Vrn. a 5-meter overpass, which was still in emergency 20 years ago, finally decided to patch up - this is an event of the decade for everything cities .. so you shouldn't judge the whole country by your personal income)


                        There they get paid for 15 working days, and plus cheap food, so this is not an example. Those who work in other chain stores, especially those selling electronics, we are talking about 40 or more thousand.
                        Let's go without blah-blah-blah .. 20-25 thousand in 15 working days .. Working in TWO shifts - 40-50 thousand will come out .. That is, you just have to live at work .. 30 days a month .. this without receiving any cosmic money .. ("cheap food" in the form of a rollton and mint sprat you can take for yourself .. of course, homeless people would fight for it, but for a normal person, do not poke such "arguments") ..

                        Precisely because in order not to live at work, people are forced to go to supermarkets in their 20s, plus in their free time earn extra money with all kinds of "nails" at home.

                        With this I agree, it is those who can so work, just get more.

                        Naivety, booming with stupidity ..))


                        1. About naivety ..
                        About 10 years ago I worked in a warehouse .. well, for 10-12 hours a day .. And some Azerbaijanis really lived at work, they were closed for 18-20 hours a day .. well, they received, of course, more .. For , as they say, "could" work like that .. Actually, they came for this, so as not to spend money on unnecessary, live in the car, eat canned food from the warehouse ("cheap food"), and plow, plow, plow .. it's easier to die on a pallet than not to send money home ..
                        I have nothing against such workers, but they call it "they can work so as to get more money" .. like a normal person, the language will not turn to say this .. Just give your life to the employer .. in exchange for double average salary .. ( which, anyway, remains 25 thousand in the country) .. A person should be able to live normally without turning into a slave, but having time for rest .. (and the means for this)

                        2. About stupidity ..
                        It is precisely those who are in the photo for the article that are not exactly processed ..
                        Oh yes .. I already wrote it above ..
                        Just looking at the headline .. billionaires do not work for 146 hours a day ..

                        But someone completely refuses to think, and again tells fables ..
                      10. 0
                        18 December 2019 13: 17
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        specifically, my employer receives, hmm .. somewhere about 20 more than any of our employees .. despite the fact that the staff is about 10 people ..

                        I don’t know what you are doing and why such a relationship has developed, but I don’t think that this is possible in small business. And I was talking about this in the first place, so carefully read what I write.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Right at that very second, a 6th-degree mechanic repairs a turbine at a thermal power plant for some 30 thousand a month ..

                        This is not an indicator for locksmiths, because the labor market in the country is different, and the working conditions themselves vary by region. A plumber in Moscow is not a native of Central Asia or the Caucasus, but is often a native Muscovite, and who obviously receives not 30 thousand a month.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Let’s do it without blah blah blah .. 20-25 thousand in 15 working days .. Working in TWO shifts - 40-50 thousand will be released .. That is, you just have to live at work ..

                        It’s not necessary at all, but out of 15 days off you can work 6-8 days and work, for example, in another job. As a simple example, our cleaning lady works on time, and the main job of a cleaning lady is in her school. And at the same time, she still hired to take care of an elderly man, but for this she was provided with free housing in a decent apartment and some kind of surcharge. And this woman came from a Mordovian village, and quite mature, with grandchildren, because there is no work for her at all. That's how people get settled. moreover, having no education and highly qualified specialty.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Naivety, booming with stupidity ..))

                        But since you’re not so naive, you’re probably picking money with a shovel - share where and how much.
                      11. 0
                        18 December 2019 15: 22
                        I don’t know what you are doing and why such a relationship has developed, but I don’t think that this is possible in small business. AND I talked about this in the first placeso read carefully what I'm writing.

                        What ??)
                        I am engaged in ordinary trade .. in fact, which is what the overwhelming majority in our country is .. In any case, there are not many large production facilities in Voronezh, wherever you spit - you will find yourself in a seller / manager .. And the "relations" are basically the same everywhere - "owner "pays its subordinates the salary at its discretion .. It can be 15 thousand (if it is very poor), and 25 and 40 ..
                        I was lucky, in my case, the last figure comes out .. this is considered very good for our city .. Therefore, to be indignant that the employer takes the remaining million from profit - no one will .. Actually, what is the difference at all, small business or not small. Does the owner of a magnet / pyaterochka get thousands of times more than his employees ?? This is a rhetorical question, there’s nothing special to know here ..

                        This is not an indicator for locksmiths, because the labor market in the country is different, and the working conditions themselves vary by region. A plumber in Moscow is not a native of Central Asia or the Caucasus, but is often a native Muscovite, and who obviously receives not 30 thousand a month.


                        Of course, not an indicator .. You can get much more on a shift in the North !!
                        Only I wrote - why do we need the salary of Aeroflot pilots when the conversation is about the average for the country ..
                        If one pilot received 500 thousand, this means that tens / hundreds of people did not receive the total amount, even to their average.
                        And when a plumber in Moscow receives 100 thousand, it can be estimated that somewhere in the country 10 people lost a few thousand each to the average salary .. And in the end, according to statistics, everyone ate cabbage rolls ..
                        And, of course, the point is not that the locksmith from Moscow is more talented and diligent, and in our city there are all lazy people and hands from the wrong place ..
                        I repeat - specialists who have worked at the enterprise all their lives, knowing all the nuances blindly - they still receive undeservedly little !! At least stupidly because it’s not Moscow ..
                        The concept of "obviously not 30 thousand" in Voronezh is, of course, permissible .. stay in the second shift, leave the weekend .. so maybe 50 will come over .. But does this somehow greatly change the situation ?? Just normally working, it’s impossible to get 100 thousand for our city .. And this is still not a hinterland .. not a village !!
                        I talked with people who live 70 km from the city .. Probably, it will be hard to believe (the conversation of a beggar with a billionaire))) - but there the 15-box is accepted with a bang .. and 20-25 is the local oligarch !! For well, there is no work in the district ..
                        Output?? Pralno .. to Moscow ..))

                        It’s not necessary at all, but out of 15 days off you can work 6-8 days and work, for example, in another job.
                        What did I write ??

                        Precisely because in order not to live at work, people are forced to go to supermarkets in their 20s, plus in their free time earn extra money with all kinds of "nails" at home.
                        This is again an example from the life of friends ..
                        In the end, somehow yes - they survive ..

                        That's the way people are arranged. moreover, having no education and highly qualified specialty.


                        So people are forced to spin like a squirrel in a wheel, earning money here and there, in the end, to have unhappy 30 thousand ..

                        PS .. my parents are pensioners, too, from March to November at the dacha they grow something for sale .. Just what does this have to do with their pension ?? That's right - no ..
                        It’s the same with the salary .. If I, after working for 8 hours, go to someone else in the cottage, balusters on the stairs to polish (or maybe someone’s crotch) - there’s no need to say that I EARN a lot .. Retired in Turkey, sunbathes, and in the garden does not bend his back not from a large pension .. And a hard worker in his spare time goes to part-time just because he earns little ..

                        But since you’re not so naive, you’re probably picking money with a shovel - share where and how much.

                        Not naive, because I do not think
                        those who can work like this just get more.

                        And the people in the photo above confirm precisely the incorrectness of this thesis ..
                      12. +2
                        18 December 2019 18: 47
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        So people are forced to spin like a squirrel in a wheel, earning money here and there, in the end, to have unhappy 30 thousand ..

                        And we do not live under socialism, that's why you get as much as your wage labor costs in this region. What do you disagree with or is it contrary to Marxism?
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        I was lucky, in my case, the last figure comes out .. this is considered very good for our city .. Therefore, to be indignant that the employer takes the remaining million from profit - no one will ..

                        Do you even know that he pays personal income tax, and for fire protection, and for rent, and for a communal apartment, for garbage collection and the delivery of fluorescent lamps, and for decontamination, and for the maintenance of CCV, and transfers 43% of the salary fund to tax and hell knows how much overhead he constantly comes up, including errors and marriage in your work?
                        In general, I’ll tell you so, when you yourself go the path of an individual entrepreneur, you might understand that they were jealous of him in vain, because they are the most disenfranchised and the most busy people, and in general they are not earning the most money. Although I will not hide, they get more than their employees, if they have not yet gone bankrupt.
                      13. 0
                        23 December 2019 10: 27
                        But we do not live under socialism, that's why get so muchhow much your wage labor costs in a given region.


                        Well .. all the arguments are finally over ..
                        And for the sake of this it was worth starting an argument ..))

                        Do you even know that he pays personal income tax


                        I know, I know ..)) Unlike you, I just know very well that the main point put to the accountant is that for a good accountant the profit is always zero !! And from this we proceed ..

                        and hell knows how much overhead he constantly comes up with, including errors and marriage in your work?

                        If my mistakes and marriages bring a person 1,5 million net profit .. maybe it's not about mistakes ..
                        And somehow interestingly the meaning has changed with us ..
                        From the fact that the oligarchs have mega-incomes, we slipped to the point that they are unhappy, everywhere they pay for our mistakes and "the hell knows how much overhead" (yes, I, in fact, never doubted that Miller has more overhead than my hair on my head .. poor guy ..)

                        maybe then you will understand that in vain they envied him,

                        The conversation was not about envy, but about unfair taxation ..
                        Actually, under Putin I do not remember a single law directed against oligarch friends .. But against the people, a lot has been adopted !!
                        What is it, nafig, envy ..
                      14. +3
                        23 December 2019 12: 49
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Well .. all the arguments are finally over ..

                        This is not an argument, but a conclusion.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Unlike you, I just know very well that the main thesis put to the accountant is that for a good accountant the profit is always zero !! And from this we proceed ..

                        So 43% of the tax from the RFP fund should still be given to the state, even if the profit is zero.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        If my mistakes and marriages bring a person 1,5 million net profit

                        It is strange that you are not working in Gazprom - they dream of each employee bringing 1,5 million net profit per month. Try to find a higher paying place - you will be torn off with your hands.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        From the fact that oligarchs have mega-incomes,

                        There are not so many of them, and the point is not in their taxation, which can be legally avoided, but in the fact that they own public property, which gives them profit, not the people. In my opinion, you do not quite understand that people are no longer losing because of the flat scale of taxation, but because our wealth has gone into the hands of the oligarchs, and for free.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Actually, under Putin I do not remember a single law directed against oligarch friends ..

                        And where did you get the idea that under the capitalist system, the president will take care of you, not his millionaire friends? You are either a naive person or a big dreamer, it’s even strange to hear about your desire for socialist relations in modern capitalist Russia, where capitalism is at the stage of wild development.
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        But against the people - a lot of accepted !!

                        Grandfather Lenin also warned that under capitalism the government defends the interests of the bourgeoisie - it is strange that you do not know about it, although all Soviet schoolchildren knew this.
                      15. 0
                        18 December 2019 12: 18
                        Well, and so on .. to catch up a bit ..
                        I highlighted the most important thing, if you are too lazy to read ..

                        17 December 2019 14:22 Print version Speaker of the lower house of parliament Vyacheslav Volodin criticized Minister of Health Veronika Skvortsova for her statement about the average salary of doctors, which is 79 thousand, writes TASS. Volodin emphasized that this is precisely the average salary, which consists of the salaries of not only ordinary doctors, but also the chief doctor, his deputies, an accountant, who can receive much more: For the purity of relations: did you mention the average salary of doctors at 79 thousand rubles? That's exactly what the average [salary] of the country is. <...> But there are some peculiarities, because the [salary] fund in question includes the salaries of the chief doctor, deputy, accountant and so on. And some still have favorite secretaries and cleaners, who sometimes get 100 and 80 thousand. And then all this remains for ordinary doctors. And ordinary doctors and especially young specialists can receive much less, - said the chairman of the State Duma. We do not have such average wages with you, I know this from my constituency, - stated Volodin. And today there may be a head physician who receives 200-300 thousand and more, maybe his deputy, who also receives a lot, but believe me, we have most regions have an average salary in the economy of about 26-28 thousand. Multiply by two, which means from 52 to 60 thousand. And then from these 60 thousand - this is the average - what does the young specialist get? Very little,

                      16. +3
                        23 December 2019 12: 51
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Speaker of the lower house of parliament Vyacheslav Volodin criticized Minister of Health Veronika Skvortsova for her statement about the average salary of doctors, which is 79 thousand, writes TASS.

                        Do you believe in this fight of Nanai boys?
                        I am not so naive as to believe Volodin and Co.
        2. +2
          11 December 2019 20: 17
          I don’t understand - the far left - Gennady Andreyevich or not Gennady Andreyevich? If so, then what is he laughing at?
  4. +15
    11 December 2019 05: 59
    It is easy and simple for working pensioners to abolish indexing, to freeze the increase in monetary allowance for military personnel, etc. The main thing is not to offend the rich, working too much ....
    1. -27
      11 December 2019 06: 11
      The rich are the only ones who work here - therefore the rich. When you go from below - a terrible idiocy begins at a completely Papuan level. But when you go to the founder - everything is beautiful, everything is cool. I wonder why, huh ?? Type pay a little? So when you turn to the Moscow manager with a salary of 300-500 thousand per month, something slurred happens, but when you enter the general director, it starts to work like a Swiss mechanism. Perhaps the problems in the mentality of the bulk of the citizens?
      1. +16
        11 December 2019 06: 28
        So why are you tormented here, can you return to your native mentalities in Israel? At the same time, grab the rest, look like Makarov sho above in the photo. Tired of these parasites in power am .
        1. -16
          11 December 2019 06: 59
          Well, why, when by the sight of their expensive cars, costing me at least one and a half times cheaper than in Israel, I annoy the looters who are ready to burn Makarov into Jews in order to find themselves guilty of their miserable existence. Their irritation gives me a lot of pleasure)).
        2. 0
          11 December 2019 08: 52
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          Tired of these parasites in power

          And for one, let Rashkin, Levchenko, Klychkov, Konovalov lol
          1. -4
            11 December 2019 10: 24
            Quote: Serg65
            And for one, let Rashkin, Levchenko, Klychkov, Konovalov

            Is anyone against it?
            1. +5
              11 December 2019 11: 03
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Is anyone against it?

              And how! Zyuganov for them threatens everyone who is against them seat on the English flag to strip !!!
      2. +10
        11 December 2019 08: 50
        How lackeys with foam at the mouth protect their masters. I’m sure that people like you in the Middle Ages took their wives and daughters to any noblemen for their wedding night. Slave thinking is already in the blood.
        1. -10
          11 December 2019 08: 55
          Sorry, but I have no owners. I work for myself, I enjoy flat taxes ...))
          And those like you in the Middle Ages were Robin Hood? lol
          1. +4
            11 December 2019 09: 15
            He who enjoys at the present time is either in power or near it. The average person is not happy.
            1. -6
              11 December 2019 09: 22
              So think about how to make money, instead of wanting working people to pay more taxes, of which in any case you will not get a penny!
              1. +1
                11 December 2019 11: 25
                I work at a defense plant. With all the desire I can’t earn more.
                1. +2
                  11 December 2019 11: 36
                  Quote: Varyag71
                  I work at a defense plant. With all the desire I can’t earn more.

                  In this case, you mistakenly believe that a progressive tax will bring more money to the "treasury". He will simply reduce tax revenues to the budget. Somewhere activity will drop, somewhere withdrawal of money will increase according to schemes, etc.
                  In my opinion, to increase tax revenues, you need to abolish these foolish 40% that the employer must pay for the "white" salary.
                  1. +2
                    11 December 2019 14: 19
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    In this case, you mistakenly believe that a progressive tax will bring more money to the "treasury". He will simply reduce tax revenues to the budget. Somewhere activity will drop, somewhere withdrawal of money will increase according to schemes, etc.
                    In my opinion, to increase tax revenues, you need to abolish these foolish 40% that the employer must pay for the "white" salary.

                    What a flexible train of thought. It didn’t work out so we try to hang noodles in a different way. laughing
                    1. -1
                      11 December 2019 14: 37
                      Do you even understand what I wrote? lol
                      1. 0
                        11 December 2019 15: 22
                        Where to me. request I didn’t fit into the market efficiently enough. laughing
                      2. +3
                        11 December 2019 15: 44
                        In the central? Or wholesale? laughing
                      3. 0
                        11 December 2019 17: 30
                        In that very world. laughing
                      4. +3
                        11 December 2019 17: 33
                        It's hard to be an anti-globalist)) request
                      5. +1
                        11 December 2019 17: 52
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        It's hard to be an anti-globalist))

                        Globalist, too, is now not sweet. Adherents of capitalism will not choose from which foot to step into the bright apocalypti ... sorry, capitalist future. laughing
                      6. +4
                        11 December 2019 17: 53
                        We already passed the Soviet - the couple fell apart ...
                      7. -1
                        11 December 2019 19: 38
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        We already passed the Soviet - the couple fell apart ...

                        They didn’t even reach him. Alas.
                      8. +4
                        11 December 2019 19: 41
                        Why? They built a society of developed socialism, and communism works with varying success only in a few Krapotkin communes of Israel - nowhere else, and even then, not in the form in which the Bolsheviks were going to build communism.
                      9. -3
                        11 December 2019 19: 51
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Why? They built a society of developed socialism, and communism works with varying success only in a few Krapotkin communes of Israel - nowhere else, and even then, not in the form in which the Bolsheviks were going to build communism.

                        You can declare anything. Although the construction of super-socialism. But in reality, under the formal socialist system, it was not such a very strong one.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        and communism with varying success only works in a few Krapotkin communes of Israel

                        There is no communism anywhere else. The dominant OEF is capitalism. Separate elements of communism may well be. But they do not do the weather. For example, the same division of labor is said to have been in a primitive communal society.
                      10. +6
                        11 December 2019 20: 09
                        Why? It was a kind of socialism - definitely.
                        About the Israeli communes. The only thing they are not communist about is in their existence in the capital country and the capital world))))
                        In addition, the milkmaid earns the same amount as the director, they carry out the duty on washing dishes in the dining room together, etc. You can work outside the commune for money. But you have to take them to the common fund. The houses are the same. Cars are common. Etc. etc.
                      11. -3
                        11 December 2019 22: 14
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        It was a kind of socialism - definitely.

                        It definitely was. smile The whole question is how much. Socialism is for everyone according to their work. But somehow this principle was poorly observed in the late USSR. And the institutions of power more and more resembled feudal ones. When the king decided how and what is better.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        In addition, the milkmaid earns as much as the director

                        The ability to earn one thing, egalitarianism is another. Equalization is contrary to the principles of socialism.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The houses are the same.

                        And they do not go in formation there? laughing This is certainly not a sign of socialism.
                      12. +5
                        12 December 2019 06: 55
                        This is anarchist communism))
                        Not socialism
                      13. 0
                        11 December 2019 20: 54
                        There is such a useful insect - a spider. He sits quietly in a corner, catches and sucks out stupid flies carrying all kinds of rubbish on his paws. But try, how to put two spiders in a jar and close it. No, it’s not easy to be a globalist.
                      14. -2
                        11 December 2019 17: 26
                        With a greater degree of probability, you did not try to fit into it.
                      15. +1
                        11 December 2019 17: 32
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        With a greater degree of probability, you did not try to fit into it.

                        This means you have an additional reason for joy. After all, otherwise you would not fit into it. "Bolivar can't stand two." laughing
                2. -1
                  11 December 2019 11: 46
                  I, too, gave my whole life to aviation. But when medicine knocked me out on an early retirement, I found an opportunity to earn even more than at the helm. It was just DESIRE.
                  1. +4
                    11 December 2019 14: 17
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    It was just DESIRE.

                    Yes Yes. Tell this tale to someone else. Someone who is so stupid that he will believe it. As it turns out, everything is simple. Well, wish to become the president of the Russian Federation, say. laughing
                    1. -1
                      11 December 2019 14: 25
                      Have you even tried to get up off the couch yourself? As in the bayan joke "let him buy a lottery ticket for a start" I, by the way, in search of a long ruble, changed my place of residence 4 times - we have a huge country and have worked a little over the hill. I have kids, jerks, in fact, they cut money and do not whine. Do you know what gets in the way of a bad dancer?
                      1. -1
                        11 December 2019 15: 23
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Do you know what prevents a bad dancer?

                        So what prevents you from becoming president of the Russian Federation? You never answered. laughing
                      2. -2
                        11 December 2019 15: 49
                        I did not set myself such goals. And the oligarchs never burst - it is troublesome. I have enough for a living, for a piece of bread with raw smoked sausage, and I do not need black caviar.
                      3. +1
                        11 December 2019 17: 27
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        I did not set myself such goals. And the oligarchs never burst - it is troublesome. I have enough for a living, for a piece of bread with raw smoked sausage, and I do not need black caviar.

                        Now let’s you earn on your piece of sausage and will not climb with your teachings. It’s good that you don’t have your own mind yet. According to standard stupid demagogic rynichny manuals training laughing
                      4. +3
                        11 December 2019 17: 55
                        Is it necessary for scientific Marxism-Leninism? )))
                      5. 0
                        11 December 2019 19: 42
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Is it necessary for scientific Marxism-Leninism? )))

                        Exactly what. And then immediately it becomes much clear. Marx was really a genius.
                      6. +3
                        11 December 2019 19: 48
                        Marx - yes. Theorious genius. Lenin is a genius practitioner. In terms of usurpation and retention of power. And the popularization of the new government. Only Marx spoke of communism in an industrialized country, which RI was not in October 1917
                        I can continue if you are interested.
                      7. -3
                        11 December 2019 19: 58
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Only Marx spoke of communism in an industrialized country, which RI was not in October 1917

                        Exactly. For me, this all turned out largely due to a successful combination of circumstances. Although this does not abolish the general trend towards a new communist OEF.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I can continue if you are interested.

                        Carry on, interesting. Maybe I learn something new. Not from the manuals worn down to holes. smile
                      8. +4
                        12 December 2019 07: 04
                        Therefore, the term Marxism-Leninism itself is rather absurd, such as Zionism-pan-Arabism. After the Communists came to power, the country was industrialized, but, in the end, after a socialist experiment, stupidly fell into market capitalism.
                      9. -2
                        12 December 2019 10: 20
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Therefore, the term Marxism-Leninism itself

                        Why so?
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        After the Communists came to power, the country was industrialized, but, in the end, after a socialist experiment, stupidly fell into market capitalism.

                        Well, so what? What does this prove? When the first planes crashed, and the first cars broke down and did not go, did this prove the impossibility of building modern much more reliable and convenient equipment? smile
                      10. -1
                        12 December 2019 10: 03
                        Marxism-Leninism ... there is a real mistake in the teaching. !!!! Do not overcome this mistake. Nature.
                      11. +5
                        11 December 2019 20: 57
                        In dialectical materialism, the rational kernel is very hefty. The law of unity and struggle of opposites, spiral development, the law of negation of negation ... All this is really observed in the history of mankind.
                    2. -1
                      11 December 2019 14: 38
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      u wish to become president of the Russian Federation say.

                      belay How? Again Borka, call me, Makarka to the kingdom ???
                      1. +3
                        11 December 2019 15: 44
                        What do you dislike about a worthy person and just a reference rynoshnik AS Ivanov?
                  2. +4
                    11 December 2019 20: 22
                    Desire does not always coincide with opportunities. Sometimes life puts in the way such barriers, which there is no strength to raise. Is that a little lift and somehow climb on the karachik further.
                    1. +1
                      11 December 2019 20: 39
                      He puts up barriers, who is arguing. And erects walls. And in general, our whole life is a struggle. But you have to try.
                      1. +1
                        11 December 2019 20: 48
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        And in general, our whole life is a struggle ...

                        ... before dinner - with hunger, after dinner - with sleep (s).

                        I regularly observe such specimens here. laughing
                      2. -4
                        11 December 2019 21: 33
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        He puts up barriers, who is arguing. And erects walls. And in general, our whole life is a struggle. But you have to try.

                        good This is not the level of Cap, but at least the Colonel.
            2. -15
              11 December 2019 09: 44
              He who turns on his head and works, enjoys life. Sofa riders, yes - not to delights: between the backside and the sofa, the ruble will not slip.
              1. 0
                11 December 2019 20: 24
                In a word, justice reigns in the world. Directly, the kingdom of God in terrestrial conditions.
            3. +5
              11 December 2019 14: 40
              Quote: Varyag71
              He who enjoys at the present time is either in power or near it. The average person is not happy.

              Then go to the stock exchange, well, who will find a job besides you for yourself? I do not agree easily, I agree difficultly, I agree it does not fit and the salary does not suit, but then go out into the street with your disagreement, why are you rushing like everyone here? There are many here and not those who will put just such under their banner.
              1. 0
                11 December 2019 18: 45
                And you guys are just pigs who think only about how they’ll get better in life and get bigger grandmothers. Yes, someone was lucky to catch a profitable wave and spit on the rest, if only it was good for itself. I advise everyone to go to traders, businessmen and officials, and I’ll ask you who will grow bread and who will clean the streets, heal the people, steel melt, etc. who? Or are you people of the second grade, since you can’t earn a lot? Or maybe the government is to blame for the fact that people cannot provide a decent salary?
              2. +3
                11 December 2019 20: 26
                Outings are well paid. I’m sorry, I don’t have anyone to eat, why, she won’t go outside. Not before that. As if somewhere to still capture something. And to go out - you have to be full, well-dressed, emotionally conditioned.
            4. +1
              11 December 2019 16: 00
              "Ordinary people" live and rejoice (know how): it is enough not to pour salt on the wounds.
          2. +8
            11 December 2019 11: 37
            Quote: Krasnodar
            I work for myself, I enjoy flat taxes ...))

            Happy for you. But
            1. In Russia, not a flat scale, but actually regressive. Because besides personal income tax, taxes on payroll taxes are also paid.
            2. If you specifically have one personal income tax, the state gets other payments with you, do not be so kind as to worry.
            3. Earn more - it’s said correctly, but not everything is said. Citizens really have the right to demand that taxation be carried out reasonably, and what is now is not really reasonable. Particularly touching, indeed, is the argument of Siluanov about collecting. If the Ministry of Finance cannot collect at least some complicated tax, drive such a Ministry of Finance into the neck.

            Another thing is that the author of the article, of course, is not for reasonable taxation, but for Stalin and executions, as I understand it. The executions will be carried out by all the same people from whom separate apartments were purchased for storing money.
            1. +5
              11 December 2019 11: 47
              In Israel, everything about everything I paid from about 57% Dividend - 30%. Other taxes - for cars and stuff, you should not even mention. Therefore, here I feel normal how much this can be in a given economic situation.
              On problems with collection - here the whole system is imprisoned for problems with collection, execution, execution, identification, etc. )))
              I have a couple of decisions in my head - not towards arrows, of course laughing ... but the local public will not like them very much)).
              1. +2
                11 December 2019 12: 27
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Therefore, here I feel normal how much this can be in a given economic situation.

                Non-poor people write about this from time to time. Yes, for young, healthy, rich and unscrupulous Russia has its advantages. But you’ll go to Israel to be treated, if all of a sudden you don’t save yourself in retirement in Russia, you’ll not teach your children in Russia.

                Yes, and about the instability. There are people, and there are many of them who do not like to live in such a poorly organized society as modern Russian, even if they are fed nourishingly. That is, it is like an additional fine, as in the dashing 90s when hiring expats, a place in Eastern Europe required a significantly higher salary than a similar salary in the West.
                1. +4
                  11 December 2019 12: 50
                  Write everything correctly.
                  For me - Israel, by and large, was quite happy with me. How I ended up here - nobody but my friends has an interesting story.
                  About expats - in my case it’s rather “while in Russia there is oil, in Israel there is me» laughing
                  In fact, personal reasons.
                  About a poorly organized society - people justly don’t like much here, but a family businessman older than 40 needs three hundred million rubles ($ 20 million) from the lard to move to the West - I won’t exaggerate. If this is not the Czech Republic, Greece and the like.
                  And I lived 25 years in well-organized societies - now a return to the roots fellow
                  1. 0
                    11 December 2019 12: 59
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    How did I get here -

                    There is no extradition from Don
                    (c) Yanukovych
                    However, none of my business.
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    $ 20 million) - I will not exaggerate. If it’s not the Czech Republic,

                    The Czech Republic is a very pleasant country. Although, again, everyone decides how and where he lives.
                    1. +1
                      11 December 2019 13: 05
                      No, in Israel everything is kosher, but here four are already children)))
                      Greece is also a niche country. But - a little bit not what the average person expects from well-organized society. hi
                2. 0
                  11 December 2019 18: 22
                  And how many children Russia is currently studying abroad - I doubt that even a hundredth part is from all students.
                  1. -1
                    11 December 2019 18: 30
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    how many children do Russia currently study abroad

                    More or less everyone who has such a choice. If the young man is not going to integrate - he has nothing to do here.
                    In the dashing 90s, by the way, it was different.
                  2. 0
                    11 December 2019 18: 43
                    Well, my daughter was additionally educated in Germany after the university. But he lives and works here in Moscow. In the end, Mikhailo Vasilievich our Lomonosov himself studied over the hill.
                  3. +3
                    11 December 2019 21: 03
                    I know a very smart guy who graduated from Moscow State University, studied at Cambridge, went to graduate school in the states, did not like it. He returned, not without difficulty, organized a rather successful research and production company. He does a lot of charity work. Correctly raised a son. A guy of 14 years old, very capable, is studying in a good gymnasium. Where do you go to study? Only at Moscow State University!
                    What is an American university? This is the place where Russian professors teach Chinese students.
              2. 0
                11 December 2019 15: 54
                Quote: Krasnodar
                In Israel, everything about everything I paid from about 57% Dividend - 30%. Other taxes - for cars and stuff, you should not even mention. Therefore, I feel fine here,

                Mala Mala I understand you. So you left Israel, because there are high taxes. In Russia, taxes suit you, for their small size, and you actively defend them to the utmost. And why don't you, as an advanced and active person, stay in Israel and fight with foam at the mouth, with the government there for tax cuts. But you preferred a ready-made solution. Where will you go next if taxes are raised in Russia?
                1. +3
                  11 December 2019 16: 49
                  1) In the Russian Federation I am for personal reasons - not because of the high taxes in Israel))
                  2) There and the average salary on hand is about 170-200 000 rubles - at PPP 85 - 100 thousand
                  3) In Israel, the construction of a national state continues, which is in a hostile environment, and according to the HDI between France and Luxembourg. So the taxes are justified - advanced medicine, such an army, average pension of about 80 thousand rubles, subsidized high-quality medicines, etc.
                  4) On BVI or Seychelles
                  1. -1
                    11 December 2019 17: 30
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    In Israel, everything about everything I paid from about 57% Dividend - 30%. Other taxes - for cars and stuff, you should not even mention. Therefore, I feel fine here,

                    Either I'm blind, or you are not at all able to make a logical connection between sentences .. You can decide for yourself who you really are.
                    1. +5
                      11 December 2019 17: 40
                      I will help you
                      1) Taxation in Israel is harder than in Russia
                      2) It is more than compensated by another - a good economy, high standard of living
                      3) To the current difficult economic situation of the Russian Federation, taxes will also be raised - it will only get worse

                      Now you understand?
                      1. -1
                        11 December 2019 19: 26
                        I can’t say anything on the first two points, I didn’t live, I don’t know. In the third, preferably in numbers. If you yourself don’t know, give a source where it is proved that worse.
                      2. +5
                        11 December 2019 19: 34
                        Everything is very simple - higher taxes - it may be unprofitable for me to work. And there are several solutions:
                        1) I collect loans and, withdrawing money, go bankrupt
                        2) I become "unprofitable"
                        3) I just close or break into a bite of small legal entities to avoid taxes
                        4) There are still a bunch of schemes - all of them are unprofitable for the state, and instead of calm work and growth, I make an extra blast
                        5) An increase in taxes entails an increase in cost of production, a decrease in the purchasing power of the population, respectively, a decrease in production volumes and, as a result, less income, less tax revenues in absolute numbers, more unemployment, and so on.
                      3. -1
                        11 December 2019 20: 11
                        The article discusses only personal income tax. If you believe it, then the tax dropouts are sitting. They have already been bred more than 2 times more than in the USA per 1000 inhabitants. There is world experience in combating various methods of tax evasion. If you yourself don’t know, you can go to the Stripes to learn, and correct the laws for one thing, so that your desire to invent ways of leaving will be reduced. The author of the article has a little understanding of what and how the world is doing in this direction. In Russia, at the moment they are not looking for solutions to problems (PIT), but are looking for reasons not to solve them.
                      4. +6
                        12 December 2019 06: 58
                        We argue only for the advisability of increasing personal income tax.
                      5. 0
                        11 December 2019 21: 05
                        However, no one suggests raising taxes for those who will be hard on it. It is proposed to slightly increase for those for whom it will be so, easy tickling.
            2. +1
              11 December 2019 16: 13
              Collecting taxes is also worth a lot of money! The introduction of a differentiated scale of taxation will require several times to increase the number of tax specialists and the costs of their placement and remuneration. The topic is complex, it cannot be solved by the crowd.
              1. -4
                11 December 2019 18: 25
                There is a counter proposal to introduce a 30% tax on company income from one billion rubles a year.
                1. +5
                  11 December 2019 19: 29
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  There is a counter proposal to introduce a 30% tax on company income from one billion rubles a year.

                  And very quickly this company will suddenly become unprofitable fellow Or pick up loans and go bankrupt.
                  1. -3
                    12 December 2019 17: 21
                    Suddenly it will become unprofitable - one FIG will not have to pay, by the way, and on loans the same.
                    1. +2
                      12 December 2019 17: 26
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Suddenly it will become unprofitable - one FIG will not have to pay, by the way, and on loans the same.

                      So grandmas will withdraw, the company will go bankrupt - there are many schemes
                2. +1
                  12 December 2019 12: 54
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  There is a counter proposal to introduce a 30% tax on company income from one billion rubles a year.

                  And most companies will adjust their income for a smaller amount, through various manipulations, which they even now do to hide genuine income.
                  1. -3
                    12 December 2019 17: 18
                    Such companies will not be able to physically fit in, since everything is visible from the reports and bank transfers, it is more and more difficult to cheat every year.
                    1. +2
                      12 December 2019 17: 28
                      Everything is possible )). And fit and cheat and crush, etc.
                    2. 0
                      12 December 2019 18: 24
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Such companies will not be able to physically fit in, since everything is visible from the reports and bank transfers, it is more and more difficult to cheat every year.

                      It’s fair, but only partially, because super-huge companies are not interested in fussing with a billion rubles, although they do not disdain the creation of various funds or the issuance of interest-free loans to their employees, etc.
                      But even here, not everything is so smooth, even with them - the example of Sakhalin-1 perfectly showed how you can avoid taxing profits for decades, regularly showing that the company is working on the verge of losses.
                      Although I agree, it is now increasingly difficult to cheat, but you can increase the capitalization of the company, thereby increasing the value of the shares of its owners.
              2. -1
                11 December 2019 19: 42
                But where else to increase. Today it is 155 full-time tax officials. Again, the damned Yankees have 883 thousand per 117000 million inhabitants, and due to the use of digital technologies they are reducing their numbers. As it turns out Russia is not in the global trend.
              3. +1
                11 December 2019 21: 07
                It seems to me that you are exaggerating a little. Well, maybe a little need to increase staff. But basically - just create the appropriate software, and hello. In fact, everyone knows everything perfectly. Including, who to whom how much where when and on what occasion gives in envelopes.
            3. +1
              11 December 2019 20: 28
              Can this be called a providing moment? - No you can not.
        2. -7
          11 December 2019 09: 24
          Quote: Varyag71
          How do lackeys with foam at the mouth protect their masters

          what And you from whose lackeys will be? Could it be Hodor?
          1. -6
            11 December 2019 09: 39
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Varyag71
            How do lackeys with foam at the mouth protect their masters

            what And you from whose lackeys will be? Could it be Hodor?

            Most likely yes, praying for the communists in Brioni laughing
          2. -4
            11 December 2019 11: 24
            Krasnodar, Ivanov, Serg65. Still here a little hesitated. Maybe you are the same person? And then fold forever babble.
            1. +3
              11 December 2019 11: 48
              Quote: Varyag71
              Krasnodar, Ivanov, Serg65. Still here a little hesitated. Maybe you are the same person?

              belay hallucinations ??? Why's that?
            2. +3
              11 December 2019 11: 49
              Quote: Varyag71
              Krasnodar, Ivanov, Serg65. Still here a little hesitated. Maybe you are the same person? And then fold forever babble.

              Why are you distracting from work, lowering the country's defense potential ?!
              They broke away from the Internet - and for the machine! Or what do you have there? )))
            3. +3
              12 December 2019 04: 41
              Quote: Varyag71
              Krasnodar, Ivanov, Serg65. Still here a little hesitated. Maybe you are the same person? And then fold forever babble.

              what By this method, you, a bummer, an ingivar, and even a dozen or a couple of dozen can be passed off as one person ... you’re practically sculpting word for word, so nobody shoots you !!! wassat wink wink laughing laughing laughing
          3. -1
            11 December 2019 11: 26
            I am on my own. And for the USSR, where all trash was put against the wall.
            1. +6
              11 December 2019 11: 50
              Quote: Varyag71
              And for the USSR, where all trash was put against the wall

              Well, yes, trash to the wall, and traitors in the Politburo laughing
              1. +1
                11 December 2019 20: 33
                Well, Nikita, our Sergeyich, complained at the XX Congress that there was such a clamp on democracy, that, God forbid, the Politburo was meeting once a quarter. So, you see, a little more - and would have been eliminated 40 years earlier. But no, the hocus pocus did not come out.
            2. +3
              11 December 2019 11: 51
              Quote: Varyag71
              I am on my own. And for the USSR, where all trash was put against the wall.

              Where everyone who did not travel on the Black Volga, was treated in general hospitals, did not have access to special distributors, was considered as rubbish ... lol
              1. 0
                11 December 2019 13: 25
                And let them go and be treated. But ordinary people lived quite normally, ate and were treated. There were distortions, no one denies. But life was definitely better than it is now. Therefore, almost all of us are watching old films with nostalgia. We have been missing a lot since then.
                1. +2
                  11 December 2019 13: 36
                  I think you have nostalgia for youth. From what I remember, and I was a child in Soviet times, life was not very. Well, someone like, probably. Definitely worse than now. And as for the party members - so it was they who decided to transfer from the Volga to Mercedes, to leave the personal tailors to the Italians - that’s the Union collapsed. More precisely - privatized.
                  1. 0
                    11 December 2019 14: 18
                    Worse than it cannot be now! The population is degrading, it is being fed poison, drugs are fake, medicine will be completely removed if you apply. Education is not given. People are angry, greedy, greedy.
                    1. +4
                      11 December 2019 14: 48
                      1) Maybe
                      2) Is it degrading? Thumps even less than in the Union, young people go in for sports in large numbers, they learn languages, which was not the case with the USSR (knowing a language with a dictionary - well, finally), there is much less domestic crime, etc.
                      3) I don’t remember in the Union of especially healthy food - sausages with rat nails, pesticidal fruits, vegetables, milk that smelled sour, mass grave of frozen fish, etc.
                      4) Medication - I agree completely. But under the Union they treated it like normal - the sheets painted that people from the side effects of many drugs were dying.
                      5) Medicine - yes, but Soviet free was also not ice. The level of 50-60 years in the West in the late 80s.
                      6) Education - what will it be if you can actually buy it?
                      7) People - well, what they are. When the Union was relaxed.
                      1. 0
                        11 December 2019 16: 06
                        You keep this diarrhea as a keepsake. Human Development Index according to the United Nations. 1988 USA-19 ​​USSR-26 2017 USA-13 RF- 49
                      2. +4
                        11 December 2019 16: 38
                        laughing
                        Human Development Index - life expectancy, access to higher education, economic indicators, incl. GDP per capita and wages
                        According to their life expectancy, fairy tales could be told about higher education - in the USSR it was more accessible, but even if at the fake rate of the non-convertible Soviet ruble to the dollar ~ 0,6 ₽ = 1 $, the average monthly salary in the Union was 200 rubles per month or $ 320 , then in the States it was at least 3 times higher))
                        We threw fake indicators to the office, and so it turned out a beautiful place
                      3. 0
                        11 December 2019 17: 23
                        You need to compare not the official dollar exchange rate, but the real, market one: 1: 3 - 1: 4. And we get the average salary of a Soviet worker of 50-70 evergreens a month, and that of engineers and that is even lower. Shame!
                      4. +5
                        11 December 2019 17: 28
                        Well, I took a specialist on officialdom
                        And our medicine was in the 80s ... they already plowed laparoscopy in full, we cut
                        I’m silent about diagnostics and oncology
                      5. +1
                        11 December 2019 17: 46
                        I have a concept in medicine - my mother worked as a surgeon in the Central Hospital. For pennies. Maybe in large cities there was advanced medicine, but in the outback it was dense.
                      6. +3
                        11 December 2019 17: 50
                        I wrote about large
                        The research institute’s base was not bad at that - implementation, selection and financing of priorities were sloppy. For example - orthopedics and Ophthalmology were excellent - Elizarov and Fedorov, for example. Cardiology and cardiac surgery are also normal. Everything else is complete or sucks.
                      7. +1
                        11 December 2019 18: 32
                        Ophthalmology was excellent - it would be even better if eye tomographs and other equipment for accurate diagnosis were made in the USSR.
                      8. +4
                        11 December 2019 18: 46
                        OST - ocular computed tomography, introduced in the west, EMNIP, shortly before the collapse of the Union
                        In general, CT appeared among the British and in the States in the 70s.
                      9. -4
                        12 December 2019 00: 09
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        but in the outback she was dense.

                        I’m sure to upset the capital efficient manager. But in the hinterland she is now the same.
                      10. +2
                        11 December 2019 21: 12
                        Wrong. It is necessary to compare not the black market rate, but the actual purchasing power in all respects of life support + free services, which, of course, reduced wages. Now they, by the way, are also there, and quite significant after all. The USSR did not fade, like tsarist Russia, in three days, as Rozanov wrote. For a Soviet person, the ruble - it was 2-3 dollars for an American, or maybe more, taking into account the cost of housing and insurance in the United States. Of course, all the same, the Americans lived much richer, but the social system here, in general, had nothing to do with it.
                      11. -2
                        11 December 2019 17: 26
                        You seem smarter than the UN. You probably have problems with vision?
                      12. +6
                        11 December 2019 17: 36
                        Everything is fine with my brains)). Under the Union, in the context of the struggle between the two systems, no one gave any Western organization true information - the happiest country of workers and peasants - that's all!
                      13. -2
                        11 December 2019 19: 13
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        In Israel, everything about everything I paid from about 57% Dividend - 30%. Other taxes - for cars and stuff, you should not even mention. Therefore, I feel fine here,

                        Is this your answer, or who? I feel fine here because there are high taxes.
                      14. +6
                        11 December 2019 19: 26
                        That's right - here I feel normal as an entrepreneur, because I’m used to working in conditions of higher taxation. )))
                        More questions?
                      15. -2
                        11 December 2019 19: 15
                        So the UN itself came up with?
                    2. +3
                      11 December 2019 16: 21
                      Russia is a beautiful country! Do not offend her!
                    3. 0
                      11 December 2019 18: 28
                      It’s not the population that is degrading — it’s your campaign of a shift in consciousness that begins.
                    4. +3
                      11 December 2019 20: 41
                      How old are you, my friend? Ali do not remember how in the sales department they ran from one line to another in order to grab something necessary for food? All evening after work, he sometimes left the queue. And how many people made products that no one ever took? All of them regularly received a salary. In general, there were many problems in the assay tent. People in the lines were also not very affectionate and welcoming. Medicine is definitely better now. Was the Soviet education really so good? This is a big question. In general, it is not necessary to idealize the past for the reason that he was young. But, of course, there was no current huge stratification by income. In addition to a narrow circle of nomenclature, everyone lived approximately the same. Well, the indestructibility of the Union warmed itself.
        3. -5
          11 December 2019 10: 52
          You, apparently, are those who are waiting for the arrival of a good uncle, who will wipe your snot and take him by the handle to work, and well paid? So: if you introduce a progressive scale, you are more likely to lose in the best case, in the salary, and in the worst - go out for a walk.
          1. +5
            11 December 2019 11: 22
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            if a progressive scale is introduced, you are more likely to lose your salary in the best case, and go outside for the gate at worst.

            And people really do not understand this laughing It is a sin, of course, to laugh at these, but, unfortunately, there are a lot of them.
            1. +3
              11 December 2019 11: 45
              Laughs the one who laughs last. The whole world lives like this, and something no one bent. And in the UAE, people generally do not pay taxes. The whole state pays. But I am only glad that the Olympics are not threatening us now. There will be no more spectacles, now someone else will wake up. And let them increase taxes, introduce fines. Faster people wake up and see where the country is moving.
              1. +3
                11 December 2019 16: 09
                And in the Emirates, oil is produced per capita as much as 8 times more than ours, which is easily recoverable oil, with a low cost. And the territory with a gulkin nose - infrastructure costs are minimal. So that they can afford to cancel taxes. We are not
                1. 0
                  11 December 2019 18: 55
                  There are taxes in the UAE ... If I remember correctly, 5% in the free economic zone and 15% outside it ... Koresh told me that the local tax authorities visited him with questions ...
                2. +3
                  13 December 2019 17: 54
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  So that they can afford to cancel taxes. We are not

                  I completely agree with your opinion and assessment of the situation.
              2. +4
                11 December 2019 17: 30
                And in the UAE you stick a stick in the sand and the oil goes. )))
                Everything is more complicated for us ...
            2. +1
              11 December 2019 17: 52
              Because the point is not in the scale, but in the political system, which ultimately determines the rules for the disposal and distribution of net profit. But for people like you, "the economy is primary", and politicians have to serve her darling in order to fit into it themselves, and others into nothingness. Therefore, the modern political "elite" is the essence of usurers, and their servants: clerks-ministers, tax collectors, security officials, and this "elite" needs slaves - the Capitol needs the Districts.
              1. +3
                11 December 2019 17: 58
                But then the Mockingjay appears and in a single rush, the Districts attack the Capitol fellow
                1. -2
                  11 December 2019 20: 13
                  Laughter is laughter, and the allegory is very appropriate for our country. "We are in the capital city this, we will stock up on yatv and drink. The enemy will see that the capital is eating and drinking and having fun. He will tremble from fear. He will run without looking back!"
                  1. 0
                    12 December 2019 22: 10
                    Okay, already A.S. Pushkin minus. "Golden Cockerel" then what did not please? a real Fairy Tale, with a capital letter, very useful.
          2. -1
            11 December 2019 11: 27
            I work at an airline. And with my own eyes I’m watching how the aircraft industry disappears.
            1. -2
              11 December 2019 11: 33
              And you also want to increase the tax burden on him. Then certainly the aircraft industry will be bent, without options. Moreover, he is a conscientious taxpayer.
              1. -1
                11 December 2019 11: 41
                with our authorities and top managers will definitely bend. There were some promises. Abbreviations are now every year.
                1. 0
                  11 December 2019 17: 54
                  To paraphrase Black Jack (aka M. Boyarsky in "The Man from Boulevard des Capucines"): Remember, gentlemen, this country will be destroyed ...- (no, corruption, this is too general) ..-. Manager!
              2. 0
                11 December 2019 20: 02
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                And you also want to increase the tax burden on him. Then certainly the aircraft industry will be bent, without options. Moreover, he is a conscientious taxpayer.

                increase the tax rate to 18% for those who earn more than 24 million rubles a year. That is, for those whose income is less than two million rubles a month, there would be nothing to worry about at all. The Communists proposed a more sophisticated scheme, which included, among other things, a tax reduction for those who earn less than 100 thousand rubles a year. The increase began only from the amount of 3 million rubles, and the maximum tax rates were introduced for those who earn more than 10 million rubles a year
                .
                And how many hard workers in the aviation industry have such salaries?
            2. +1
              11 December 2019 11: 51
              Quote: Varyag71
              I work at an airline

              In fantasies or what?
      3. -1
        11 December 2019 20: 20
        Ya, ya, naturlih. In this country, no one has ever worked for a reason, so there can be nothing here. Yes.
    2. -2
      11 December 2019 06: 50
      Quote: AlexVas44
      It is easy and simple for working pensioners to abolish indexing, to freeze the increase in monetary allowance for military personnel, etc. The main thing is not to offend the rich, working too much ....

      They wrote well, but forgot that you live in the world of Capital, and who rules you.
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  6. +13
    11 December 2019 06: 00
    In general, experts came to the conclusion that this innovation may not lead to an increase in tax collection, but rather to a decrease in the filling of budgets of all levels.
    And who would hesitate when the faces of these experts are wider than the monitor screen? But they also have a gorgeous roof: the popularly elected one will appear again, make a worried face and say: "Please treat with understanding ...". Yes, we understand, we understand, Cho is already there. How not to understand that you all need to keep in good physical shape there. And then, God forbid, you get hungry - who will think about the people?
  7. +15
    11 December 2019 06: 00
    The three in the photo know the whole country! These are those who live on a living wage. And they also ask to raise the retirement age and lower the cost of living.
    1. +9
      11 December 2019 09: 07
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      The three in the photo know the whole country! These are those who live on a living wage. And they also ask to raise the retirement age and lower the cost of living.

      Hmm. Russia's problem is not that it cannot feed the poor, but that people who are in the power trough cannot get drunk in any way.
  8. +7
    11 December 2019 06: 11
    The attempt to introduce a progressive tax scale for individuals (PIT) in Russia predictably stalled.
    And this is a storehouse for the state budget, but the GDP, it is not regrettable, is a protege of the oligarchs and he will not milk them fully.
  9. +2
    11 December 2019 06: 17
    The Communist Party and Just Russia do not occupy the last places in the current composition of the State Duma, and only one faction, United Russia, which has an overwhelming majority in the Duma, can block their initiatives. This is just a touch, but it is, as they say, "indicative."

    Yeah what ... so it was conceived in KREMLIN ... the guys are not stupid there.
    The problem of taxes should be considered in conjunction with other problems in Russia.
    Launched an amnesty of capital? they started it ... it means that our lawmakers legislatively made a postulate in the minds of people that you can steal ... that you can evade taxes ... all the same, they amnesty ... they will legitimize acquired capital, so to speak, with overwork in the field of robbery of the population.
    So we live ... hehe Russia is a country of great opportunities, you can make a fortune from the budget on a plausible pretext.
    I have not been surprised at surprises from the State Duma for a long time.
    1. +4
      11 December 2019 06: 43
      So thanks to this, they got up from their knees ... In the sense that someone got up, and someone remained on his knees .. laughing
  10. +10
    11 December 2019 06: 19
    In power, Robin Hoods, on the contrary, take it from the poor, give it to the rich. That's how we live.
    1. +2
      11 December 2019 09: 13
      Quote: Van 16
      In power, Robin Hoods, on the contrary, take it from the poor, give it to the rich. That's how we live.

      Robin Bada?
      1. +2
        11 December 2019 11: 38
        Rob in thin, Rob in the hood, not Robin good.
    2. 0
      11 December 2019 11: 31
      So we ourselves endure and carry "Robinguds":
  11. +5
    11 December 2019 06: 25
    For comparison: in many European countries, the tax rate for the rich significantly exceeds 50% - this is almost the whole of Scandinavia, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and several other countries. There are many countries where income tax approaches fifty percent - these are Finland, Austria, Japan (not quite Europe, but still), Ireland, and Great Britain. And this, you see, is a much more serious figure than even the 25% rate proposed in the CPRF draft.
    This is the main bait of the West for the world man in the street, including the resulting high standard of living, the idea is the fixation of many pro-Western color revolutions, this is their strength against our snickering oligarchy, how the GDP was going to raise the standard of living of the population of Russia, it is not clear, well, if for the elected "members of the trade union", then we will not go far, whether our oligators want or do not want, but it is necessary to divide according to the good or to the bad, as history shows.
    1. +3
      11 December 2019 06: 34
      And it’s like a good progressive tax to knock out the ground under the feet of the West and all sorts of positions and really raise the standard of living in the country, thereby come closer to integration with the former fraternal republics and now states, sometimes I want to idyllize, which is far from reality laughing .
      1. NKT
        +3
        11 December 2019 09: 27
        The author, citing Europe as an example, with their taxes up to 50%, a little disingenuous.
        We pay the tax mainly on the employer and he pays UST - 30% + PIT - 13%, total 43%. Those. our state and so receives from EVERY working 43%.
        1. +4
          11 December 2019 10: 16
          The employer, in addition, lays the personal income tax tax in the "dirty wages" of the worker, from this comes cunning with the average salaries in the country, and so the progressive tax should be from individuals with super-profits, this does not mean some kind of equalization, but a huge difference in income a lot of questions, for example, the work of an average 50-year-old welder, turner, bricklayer, steelmaker, electrician is 10-100 times cheaper (despite his economic half-century contribution to the development of the country) and apparently also less honorable than the work of a football player or a raw material manager , the investments of the latter in the country's fixed assets are sometimes very doubtful, why not impose this progressive tax on them. Let them also be proud of their investments in the development of their own country and not a foreign country and treat their citizens with dignity and do not beat them in cafes and bars. laughing
        2. 0
          11 December 2019 21: 18
          When did they raise the unified social tax? It seemed to be 24%.
          1. NKT
            0
            11 December 2019 22: 07
            Since January 2011,
            PFR - 22%
            MHIF - 5.1%
            SF - 2.9%

            Now it is not called UST, but a single social gathering, but in the old fashion - UST.
      2. -5
        11 December 2019 09: 48
        With a progressive tax, you will not knock out the soil from the West, but business from Russia. In a crisis, taxes are REDUCED, not strangled. And so the entrepreneur is laid above the roof.
        1. +3
          11 December 2019 10: 33
          C'mon, you can approach the issue wisely, levy superprofits and not just everyone.
          The poor raw materials workers may have been strangled with "safety cushions" for the managers.laughing
          1. -3
            11 December 2019 10: 37
            Just the tax burden of oil workers, we have one of the highest in the world. Hence the price of gasoline. Do not stifle business with taxes, give it loans at a low rate, do not interfere with its work, and there will be economic growth and prosperity.
            1. +3
              11 December 2019 10: 45
              There is still strong external sanctions influence, so the Western (not all) "partners" are strangling in their "friendly" embraces laughingSo turn to some extent to these global competitors.
            2. -1
              11 December 2019 18: 38
              Most importantly, give the business a cheap rental of premises and space - half of the expenses from entrepreneurs just go for it.
              1. -1
                11 December 2019 18: 46
                Most importantly, do not interfere with business. Do not nightmare him. Although loans and rents also matter.
        2. -1
          11 December 2019 17: 58
          We don't need such a "business". We have no time for business at all. Open your eyes, wipe your ears, and watch how people creep into a communal apartment. Businessman...
  12. +7
    11 December 2019 06: 32
    The problem must be solved from the other end. We do not need a progressive scale, nor do we need oligarchs. The liberal public will not like the solution methods, but I somehow do not care.
    1. +4
      11 December 2019 06: 47
      If you want to live in capitalism without big business and corporations, rich oligarchs are everywhere, but how they share them with the state is the main question.
      1. +6
        11 December 2019 06: 53
        Quote: anjey
        Do you want to live in capitalism

        So who told you that?
    2. -3
      11 December 2019 06: 47
      Quote: Creedco
      We do not need a progressive scale, nor do we need oligarchs.

      This we have profiled. The last day we had was 19.08.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX, then something else could be done.
      1. +3
        11 December 2019 07: 23
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Creedco
        We do not need a progressive scale, nor do we need oligarchs.

        This we have profiled. The last day we had was 19.08.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX, then something else could be done.

        The last day is when the cooling body is covered with a sheet. All life is a struggle ...
        1. 0
          11 December 2019 10: 14
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Creedco
          We do not need a progressive scale, nor do we need oligarchs.

          This we have profiled. The last day we had was 19.08.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX, then something else could be done.

          The last day is when the cooling body is covered with a sheet. All life is a struggle ...

          Well, go ahead, the pipe is calling.
    3. 0
      11 December 2019 11: 08
      Quote: Creedco
      We do not need a progressive scale, nor do we need oligarchs.

      You and we do not need them, just as they do not need us either. Here is the question "Who, whom?"
      1. 0
        11 December 2019 16: 42
        You can work not "for someone" but for yourself only in your own garden. There will always be someone.
        1. -1
          11 December 2019 20: 58
          Quote: Victor N
          You can work not "for someone" but for yourself only in your own garden. There will always be someone.

          Work for free, but for myself it is the most wonderful work, I personally work in the country, but this is the most wonderful work and rest. For yourself, not for uncle.
    4. -1
      11 December 2019 18: 45
      We do not need oligarchs - but everyone constantly talks about them, thereby pushing their PR and pushing it wherever possible. The same thing is with poverty - in the 2000s, when there were more than 50 million of them in the country, little was said about it, and after 2014, when there were 20 million of them from all media, everything from every iron burst about it, thereby inflating the elephant from the flies.
      1. 0
        11 December 2019 21: 00
        Quote: Vadim237
        We don’t need oligarchs - but everyone constantly talks about them,

        But nobody loves them anyway, if not worse.
      2. +1
        12 December 2019 13: 00
        Quote: Vadim237
        We do not need oligarchs

        The oligarchs always exist under capitalism, so you either admit that we will not be able to get rid of them without changing the social system, or take it all as is. And then your desire does not fit in any way with real capitalist Russia, where enormous wealth is divided between oligarchs, who are unlikely to make their income with you. This is reality, you live in it, and in this reality your wish is unrealizable.
        1. -2
          12 December 2019 17: 30
          I personally don’t care about oligarchs - they have their own business, I have mine, we intersect only when their enterprises need spare parts or maintenance of equipment.
        2. -2
          12 December 2019 17: 32
          And their offices share with me - dividends, for my blocks of shares.
  13. +3
    11 December 2019 06: 32
    Introduce food stamps, say 100 grams of buckwheat per day and one cutlet on the weekend. Instead of cutlets, you can take 125 grams of buckwheat.
    Increase the working day to 16 hours a day, leave the day off only on Sunday (this is the reason the meal will be eaten before work).
    But thanks to such actions, you can safely remove taxes, since the costs per person will be small, and it will be decent to bring money by labor. So, as an act of goodwill, you can cancel it.
    He is still learning to lead the country ...

    1. +3
      11 December 2019 07: 21
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Introduce food stamps ...

      Subtract the cost of coupons from the salary.
    2. -2
      11 December 2019 10: 22
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Introduce food stamps, say 100 grams of buckwheat per day and one cutlet on the weekend. Instead of cutlets, you can take 125 grams of buckwheat.
      Increase the working day to 16 hours a day, leave the day off only on Sunday (this is the reason the meal will be eaten before work).
      But thanks to such actions, you can safely remove taxes, since the costs per person will be small, and it will be decent to bring money by labor. So, as an act of goodwill, you can cancel it.
      He is still learning to lead the country ...



      Where can you vote "Yes"?
  14. +9
    11 December 2019 06: 40
    It's time to put these "korolkov" in their place, soon they will begin to demand the right of "first night"!
    1. +3
      11 December 2019 07: 11
      Question - And who will upset?
    2. 0
      11 December 2019 08: 53
      Ildar, even here there are enough who will warmly support this. Sami drag their wives.
  15. +13
    11 December 2019 06: 40
    Cool... laughing They won’t take their money from their own ... I remember that Alexander I granted the Constitution to the Kingdom of Poland, the Grand Duchy of Finland ... but they don’t, they didn’t mature ... So now, they haven’t grown to a progressive tax ... We have only the rich work, and who works for them, suckers .. And this is called, according to the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, social partnership ... laughing
  16. +9
    11 December 2019 06: 43
    The world of capitalism protects its own, but not the people. According to Marx and Engels, we sell them our labor. You have to pay taxes from beggarly penny to build a state, and they don’t have enough money for the next two hundred meter yacht. And ghouls will not choke.
    1. +7
      11 December 2019 07: 09
      Welcome soldier
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The world of capitalism protects its own, but not the people.

      This is and was ALWAYS! For this, even the writings of the classics of Marxism-Leninism need not be studied (better read, very useful), and so, in their own skin, everyone should have come.
      The main thing to remember, IM will always be LITTLE and they will never, never choke on greed, YOURSELF!
      1. +3
        11 December 2019 10: 12
        Quote: rocket757
        For this, even the writings of the classics of Marxism-Leninism need not be studied

        Yes, you can read Jack London and this is enough (especially about England).
        1. +1
          11 December 2019 10: 24
          To read a lot of what is .... earlier, the institute course was enough not to feel like a complete sucker, quite, completely.
          Now, who and how is being enlightened, you can’t say for sure. Such a mess in the heads of too many!
          1. +1
            11 December 2019 10: 57
            Quote: rocket757
            Now, who and how is being enlightened, you can’t say for sure.

            My son is studying in Kaliningrad, so these subjects that we taught, they do not pass, and he is not interested.
            1. 0
              11 December 2019 11: 23
              People are different ... who are interested, who are not, believing that this will not affect him in any way.
      2. -2
        11 December 2019 13: 19
        In addition to Marx, it is also advisable to get acquainted with the works of Weber, Scheffle, Plekhanov, finally. And then a look at the political and economic structure of society, you will have a very, very one-sided. Marx and Lenin, far from the ultimate truth, and history has proved this.
        1. 0
          11 December 2019 14: 06
          The truth is always somewhere there, and not here!
        2. 0
          11 December 2019 21: 07
          Quote: AS Ivanov.

          In addition to Marx, it is also advisable to get acquainted with the works of Weber, Scheffle, Plekhanov

          Yes, I don’t feel like hitting my head, in the 60-70s I read and taught so much, that's enough for life, and now, on the basis of all the cataclysm, we went through this in practice. Read, do not read, but there is no Union, we live in capitalism.
    2. 0
      11 December 2019 16: 54
      According to Marx, people are divided only into those with and without means of production. This is a primitive, there are many more criteria and the importance of each of them varies depending on the circumstances. It is important to remember that more people are divided into leaders and performers. And there are many more, and many of them will never be able to become leaders. Russia NOW lacks sensible leaders, but an excess of whiners - at least export it.
  17. -6
    11 December 2019 06: 51
    There are many countries where income tax approaches fifty percent - these are Finland, Austria, Japan (not quite Europe, but still), Ireland, and Great Britain. And this, you see, is a much more serious figure than even the 25% rate proposed in the CPRF draft.

    That’s what’s interesting ... As soon as the pension reform with increasing retirement age is discussed, the European experience is not a decree for us. Like yourself with a mustache. And in the field of changes in tax rules, Europe is also helping us. Very selectively, we look at the experience gained winked
    What does this mean? Literally the following: if you have not yet been caught for tax crimes, you can safely evade taxes, come up with tricky schemes, hide money in offshore. The main thing is not to get caught right away, manage to save up money for fines and compensation, and you can be absolutely sure that you will get out of the water dry.

    One of the most common violations today is the payment of gray salaries, from which contributions are not paid, incl. in the FIU. Each employee has the right and opportunity to check deductions from his payroll at any time. Well, here we all have cards in hand. We don't know how we get paid? We know. But we help to hide the crimes. It is so? Then what justice are we seeking if we ourselves have a "stigma in the gun"? We have already had experience with a progressive tax scale. Not very impressive. It is possible to hope that it will be better during the repetition, but is there any reason? Those who earn more pay more than people with lower salaries. Does this whole epic make sense? It is advocated by people who are most distant from economics (in the sense of science), while those who are directly related to calculations doubt the positive effect.
    1. +6
      11 December 2019 09: 24
      Quote: Den717
      And in the field of changes in tax rules, Europe is also helping us.

      You are probably young. Sorry, but as a young man, I can explain to you that in the USSR they didn’t charge taxes on salaries of 70 rubles ... If someone like this doesn’t suit someone like the economic developments of the Stalin period, that doesn’t mean that they aren’t.
      As for the same Europe and the USA, they learned social policy from the USSR. And in the movie "Men in Black -3" you can see how it looked (episode).
      Therefore, the films of Hollywood (where they tell about the events until 1960) about the friendship of blacks and whites, about their handshakes, can be perceived as a fairy tale ... And about social benefits in Europe, find out how they appeared and which ones exactly after 1945 ...
      1. -6
        11 December 2019 09: 43
        Quote: ROSS 42
        You are probably young. Sorry, but as a young man, I can explain to you that in the USSR they didn’t charge taxes on salaries of 70 rubles ... If someone like this doesn’t suit someone like the economic developments of the Stalin period, that doesn’t mean that they aren’t.

        You, as an overgrown person, stuck in the USSR may be due to age-related irreversible changes, I want to ask - did this taxation system help the USSR a lot? You may not remember anymore, but the USSR does not exist today, and its economic model is not remembered anywhere except in memoirs. Today, the economic reality is different, and a loaf of bread is no longer 15 kopecks. You have already been repeatedly told - "there is no need to idealize the USSR, everything was not easy there" and especially with the economy. Otherwise, socialism would not have died. You have repeatedly protested this topic, but you still don’t want to understand that there will be no return to those times. And in general, it is necessary to discuss economic issues for specialists, and not for passers-by pensioners.
      2. -1
        11 December 2019 11: 43
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And about social benefits in Europe, find out how they appeared and which ones after 1945 ...

        And these are also great fairy tales.
  18. +4
    11 December 2019 07: 03
    A beggar and a billionaire must pay taxes at the same rate. So the Duma decided

    This is their power, this is their thought .... there will never even be considered the question that the poor should not be AT ALL!
    To claim that this is WE chose such a power, it is possible ... but very conditionally.
    1. +3
      11 December 2019 11: 44
      Quote: rocket757
      To claim that this is WE chose such a power, it is possible ... but very conditionally.

      It turns out that this power has chosen us.
      1. +1
        11 December 2019 11: 51
        Quote: tihonmarine
        It turns out that this power has chosen us.

        And we just inherited them.
        1. +2
          11 December 2019 12: 20
          Quote: rocket757
          And we just inherited them.

          And that's not all, they still shared us "brotherly" with the neighbors.
          1. +2
            11 December 2019 12: 38
            Wow, they torn the Great, Great country on the estates ....
      2. 0
        11 December 2019 16: 01
        Quote: tihonmarine
        It turns out that this power has chosen us.

        Most likely, the government went to all the tricks to be chosen exactly it. Take any "chosen" - Obeschalkin in all its glory. And people believe them at first ...
        You are familiar with psychology - I will vote for the former, - maybe they have already grabbed ... and new ones will come, it is still unknown what will happen ...
        Time has shown that no matter how much you give - everything is not enough. No wonder the most greedy were stopped by "the highest measure" ...
  19. +3
    11 December 2019 07: 03
    Taxes do not occupy the last place in people's lives. A living tax, a tax on any purchase. I am sure that the self-employed will not evade the tax. As well as Justice. There are few rich, and the rest are many. That’s all according to this principle. I'm interested, maybe I don’t know in which country the legislative assembly sets the time for advertising? But we also pay for it. Advertising, and in between films.
    1. +3
      11 December 2019 16: 11
      Quote: nikvic46
      Taxes are not the last place in people's lives.

      You're right. And the progressive scale of personal income tax makes it possible not to strip naked those who, due to their physical and mental development, are engaged in dirty and non-prestigious work, which an educated person will not undertake. But, for now, someone has to do "dirty", sometimes disgusting work, so that steel ones do not drown in sewer waters, do not get bogged down in garbage, and do not lie for days in a crumpled bed ... Even sitting in a restaurant, they owe their health to labor dishwasher or the same waiter ...
      Why, if they do not raise the subsistence level or the minimum wage, at least free people with scanty incomes from taxes? Is this not humanism?
  20. +8
    11 December 2019 07: 54
    What does this refusal of the State Duma mean? About the fact that the party in power, United Russia, represents, like the government, the interests of oligarchs, officials and thieves, and not the interests of the people! And while they are in power, there will be no changes for the better for the life of the people !!! There will be only promises that the authorities have been feeding the trusting and patient people for more than 20 years !!! And the people, as they died out, are dying out !!! "The rescue of the drowning is the work of the drowning themselves!" The oligarchs, bankers, officials and deputies, who continue to grow fat every day, wanted to "sneeze" into the poverty and suffering of the people, humiliatingly begging for an increase in pensions and salaries !!! Only the victory of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the elections, the change of government and the implementation of its program "10 steps to a decent life" will lead to an improvement in the life of the common people and the country as a whole !!! And the "Edrossy", as they defended the oligarchs and officials, as well as themselves, and will defend! And their naive voters, suffer from lack of money and die out! Really! The saying is true: - "There is no such naive, deceived Russian who can be deceived more than once !!!" Well, naive! Torment further !!!
    1. +3
      11 December 2019 08: 56
      It means only one thing, that the enemies of the people are in plain sight, and even quietly carry out genocide. They are in no hurry. Not they, so their grandchildren and great-grandchildren will cleanse our Motherland from us. Only a fool or a traitor does not see this. But even worse are their lackeys and slaves. Here, these yapping, for the sake of their owners, enough.
      1. -10
        11 December 2019 10: 17
        The genocide will begin when this most progressive tax is introduced. How many businesses that are still making ends meet will be forced to close? How many businesses, large and small, will go either to the "gray zone" or from Russia in general? And instead of increasing tax revenues, we will see a sharp decline and massive unemployment. In a crisis, the tax burden is reduced, not increased.
        1. -1
          11 December 2019 18: 12
          Nonsense. Show me at least one successful significant business project WITHOUT falling into a "budget constraint", direct or indirect, without agreements on benefits and preferences. ... Surprise me if you can with the new Henry Ford. There is none of them. All large-scale construction projects, defense industry, some technologies - only due to the efforts of the State. And do not worry about small business - it already has no life now - this is about real business, not about the service sector, due to which the GDP is winding up., But in fact they are sucking money in a circle from each other. The progressive scale is a blow not to business, but to individual "businessmen", which will just force them to invest in the development of production, in technology, in R&D (R&D in our opinion), and not to hammer the bins (yachts, mansions, cars) or toss them overseas. Real business will only be glad to have a progressive scale, speculative business, freebies will be bad.
          1. -1
            12 December 2019 17: 45
            They don’t invest in production - only businessmen. Gazprom, Rosneft, Lukoil, Transneft and many others are investing in modernization, production, equipment and infrastructure - in Russia every year more than a trillion rubles remain unspent; the regions return them to the federal budget - after a progressive tax, the government will give out 1,5, 2,5 trillion more - XNUMX trillion rubles not spent will be returned after the end of the year.
          2. +2
            12 December 2019 18: 46
            Quote: andrew42
            Nonsense. Show me at least one successful significant business project WITHOUT falling into a "budget constraint", direct or indirect, without agreements on benefits and preferences. ...

            Kaspersky Lab is a typical non-budget successful project of the world level.
            1. 0
              18 December 2019 11: 18
              There is no need to load about Kaspersky. Software is necessary, but it's the cherry on top. We don’t use software in our stomachs, we don’t warm the house with software, we don’t put on ourselves, we don’t pay with software in medicine and education. In short, without a technologically advanced and affordable "hardware" of its own production, no software is needed. Are there any more examples?
              1. +2
                18 December 2019 12: 58
                Quote: andrew42
                About Kaspersky do not need to ship.

                Yes, I don’t seem to be loading up - it was the Americans who strained themselves, since they accepted in relation to the Kaspersky trial.
                Quote: andrew42
                We don’t use software in the stomach, we don’t heat software at home, we don’t put it on ourselves, we don’t pay the price of software in medicine and in education.

                You have a TV and a computer in the house - they also do not fulfill the tasks you listed. Have not tried to get rid of them? Then tell us how you did it.
                Quote: andrew42
                In short, without a technologically advanced and affordable "hardware" of its own production, no software is needed.

                Even in our defense industry offer Microsoft to use?
                Quote: andrew42
                Any other examples?

                Yes - they overwhelmed the world with our wheat, fertilizers and these are non-budget producers.
                1. 0
                  20 December 2019 16: 59
                  Quote: andrew42
                  We don’t use software in the stomach, we don’t heat software at home, we don’t put it on ourselves, we don’t pay the price of software in medicine and in education.

                  You have a TV and a computer in the house - they also do not fulfill the tasks you listed. Have not tried to get rid of them? Then tell us how you did it.
                  Quote: andrew42
                  In short, without a technologically advanced and affordable "hardware" of its own production, no software is needed.

                  Even in our defense industry offer Microsoft to use?

                  What I’m going to get rid of, what I don’t have, is not your concern. I’m talking about electronic components, about physical storage media - you tell me about my TV. Raise domestic microelectronics, but do not twist the ear behind your back. About Microsoft for the defense industry from where dug up? Probably hesitated to bind to my thesis.
                  1. +2
                    20 December 2019 17: 08
                    Quote: andrew42
                    . I’m talking about electronic components, about physical storage media,

                    Without them, the modern functioning of most of the planet’s inhabitants is impossible, so it’s not clear why you decided to fight with windmills.
                    Quote: andrew42
                    Raise domestic microelectronics, but do not twist the ear behind your back.

                    It seems you will never understand that in order for us to be outstanding in this area, the world market will simply not let us in. That is why it does not make sense to fight for world leadership in this segment, but you just need to develop something that our military-industrial complex cannot do without. Can you learn this simple thought?
                    Quote: andrew42
                    About Microsoft for the defense industry from where dug up?

                    Many developers use computers where this operating system is installed, if the regime does not prohibit it.
                    Quote: andrew42
                    Probably hesitated to bind to my thesis.

                    The theses are dubious, so you don’t need to attach anything to them - just understand that they are untenable.
    2. +4
      11 December 2019 09: 18
      Everything is so, only in the Communist Party, in fact, there are no communists. Uncle Zu & Co's very convenient position is to portray fighters against hated capitalism within the framework of existing social relations, occupying his niche. An attempt to bring an outspoken bourgeois to the presidency says a lot. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is more likely a Social Democratic Party, the Communist Party should, first of all, put forward programs for the complete dismantling of capitalism. Only it will end badly for the pseudo-communists who are accustomed to warm Duma seats. Neither the Ulyanovs nor the Dzerzhinsky will go to hard labor there.
      Last years I don’t go to the polls, it’s pointless. There is no force capable of protecting the interests of the working class in Russia. I'm waiting for it to appear.
  21. +2
    11 December 2019 08: 00
    While the chief after Luzhkov does not leave, nothing will change. Yes, and after him, perhaps ....
    1. -3
      11 December 2019 19: 09
      It depends on who will replace him. The main thing for us is that a person should come, not from his team and not connected with him in any way. And yes, we have long been waiting for "swan lake" on all TV channels.
      1. -2
        12 December 2019 17: 46
        We can say with confidence - you will not wait for it.
  22. +3
    11 December 2019 08: 39
    Apparently, the reason is that among legislators, as well as high-level officials, the number of people eager to become billionaires is so great that they are blocking changes in the tax sphere. Somewhere in the books of Valentin Pikul, the idea sounded that, unlike Western thieves, Russian thieves always steal. Moreover, the events that took place on the eve of the revolutions were described. And the link was made to a famous Russian writer. This filthy "inheritance" is worth considering.
  23. +9
    11 December 2019 08: 42
    Quote: Krasnodar
    .... I annoy the looters who are ready to burn Makarov to the Jews ...
    I was surprised! Is it possible to write a Jew in the Jews ?! belay
    1. +6
      11 December 2019 10: 56
      you can ... those who are in the west and in the promised land, Zionist Jews ... those who are in the Duma, government and around the throne hang out, Jewish patriots ...
      1. -3
        11 December 2019 19: 11
        Here is Abramovich - an example of a Jewish patriot.
  24. +9
    11 December 2019 08: 46
    Well, we are indignant in the comments, but "things are still there" ... to paraphrase "the classics of revolution" - while the lower classes are silent, the upper classes rule as they want !!!!
  25. +6
    11 December 2019 09: 01
    I never voted for EdRo and I will not. I always vote for SR, although their program is weak, but anyway, ideologically, they are closest to me. I propose not to vote for EdRo in the next election.
    1. +5
      11 December 2019 12: 36
      Quote: Yrec
      I propose not to vote for EdRo in the next election.

      Vote, do not vote, you will still get ... EdRo. Among my friends and acquaintances there is not a single one who would vote for EdRo and Putin (Medvedev), and I am not a communist and not a liberoid. I tried everything: I spoiled the ballots, voting "for all", if I was deprived of the right to vote "against all", voted for an obvious outsider, voted for SR for eight years, until I realized that SR was an EP project, the result was the same. The electoral legislation has been reformed so that the above will win in any case, even if we do not take into account the falsifications, stuffing, admin. resource, etc.
      1. -3
        11 December 2019 19: 13
        Invalid policy!
        We need to choose one candidate and vote for him, otherwise we will disperse votes.
  26. +4
    11 December 2019 09: 15
    A beggar and a billionaire must pay taxes at the same rate. So the Duma decided

    Is there any doubt after the adoption of the law on pension reform about whose interests the DG works?
    I support everyone who negatively evaluates the work of the State Duma. The main thing is not to forget about it in 2011 ...
    hi
  27. +3
    11 December 2019 09: 16
    And if so, the initiative should be recognized as harmful,

    True, this requires a small “trifle” - an adjustment of the criminal law in the field of combating tax evasion.
    In the United States, the statute of limitations for tax crimes is not comparable with the Russian. In addition, taxes there must be paid on any income, even from illegal. This is only at first glance some inconvenient legal conflict

    In this situation, this initiative is not "harmful", as stated in the article, but premature. You need to start by changing tax laws. But somehow it is necessary to decide with offshore companies so that tax is paid not at the place of registration, but at the place of income. This, by the way, would fill the regional budgets with money, otherwise the head office is in one of the capitals, most of the divisions in the regions, and taxes go to the place of registration of the head office.
    For the rest, I agree and I support the initiative from the SR and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.
    1. -1
      11 December 2019 09: 52
      I agree .. the office is office, but the production is really in another place, and pay on the spot ... as an example, Lisin paid to the budget of the Lipetsk region as an individual controlling a foreign company something about a billion, and if everything is real in Russia, then the oblast itself would have come to the budget disproportionately more to the Federal one, and then it would have increased not by 5,6% to state employees, but really more, because all these 5% would be consumed by inflation, but the management would be hit on the drum.
    2. 0
      11 December 2019 10: 11
      It depends on the taxes. If we are talking about taxes to the federal budget, then what's the difference?
      1. -1
        11 December 2019 10: 31
        In this case, local taxes ... for many regions, an extra ruble, figuratively speaking, will not hurt
  28. 0
    11 December 2019 09: 49
    To introduce a progressive scale, here I agree with the author, a number of measures need to be taken. What? In my opinion, at the legislative level, adopt a law where it is clear and understandable to set the minimum employee wage per hour and not 150 rubles, but take for example an analog, like in shatath - $ 7 per hour. at the current rate it is somewhere around 450 rubles. For non-compliance - a criminal punishment. It is realistic to tighten the penalty for tax evasion so that you are really afraid to sit down and lose. The real confiscation of property from the convict and relatives is checked simply if the wife declares 100 thousand rubles a month, for example, where she got the yachts from. Mansions and other things. Let half measure, but besides the income statement, the official is obliged to submit the expenses .. and the oil painting is immediately visible. You can’t explain the gap, answer . It is realistic to prohibit the registration, withdrawal of funds of key enterprises and industries abroad and various offshore companies. In state-owned enterprises and institutions, legislatively introduce the size of the wage gap for workers and managers. a calf ... maybe I’m naively reasoning, but in my hedgehog it’s clear that the more a person earns, the more he spends, the more he needs to produce and so on and so forth ....
    1. -3
      11 December 2019 15: 36
      You are a terrorist, Andrey .... Look what you want. am
      1. 0
        11 December 2019 16: 01
        Chegoy, I’m a terrorist then ..... be afraid of God))) I don’t call for bloodletting
        1. +2
          12 December 2019 10: 29
          It's a joke, Andrey. Terrorists are "our power". The self-employed tax just approved by the "people's" duma is yet another of the many manifestations of this terror against the people.
  29. +1
    11 December 2019 09: 50
    Elections elections.
    Deputies .. but these are the ones we ourselves chose ...
  30. +8
    11 December 2019 10: 02
    "For 2018-2019, the heads of the PFR declared:
    The head of the department, Anton Drozdov, earned 3,95 million rubles. ($ 58050), and his wife - 4,91 million ($ 72158).
    The price of seven-room apartments bought by Anton Drozdov at the Patriarch Ponds in Moscow is 240,1 million rubles. ($ 3527093). His children - daughter and son, are studying at the Metropolitan School of Economics with a payment of 651 thousand rubles. ($ 9553) per year. That is, the Head of the FIU pays 1,32 million ($ 19105) annually only for the education of heirs, and this is almost all of his annual salary.
    In 2014, 2,6 billion was allocated for repair and construction works for the reconstruction of PF buildings, and in recent years - 8,41 billion. The internal audit revealed that the estimate was several times overstated.
    Last year, 2 billion rubles were used for PR projects, as explained in the Pension Fund - this is necessary to explain the pension reform to the population. "

    No need to worry and pour water at the State Department mill. Pensioners' money is in the safe hands of effective managers. They work for the good of the country.
    There will be pensions and there will be many. Pensioners will bathe in large denominations.
    1. +6
      11 December 2019 10: 04
      Yes, often in the most worn out, excuse me for the expression, the district center, one of the best buildings, this is the building of the FIU
      1. +4
        11 December 2019 11: 24
        In the glorious city of Lipetsk, PF is already located in two buildings, it seems to have four floors in one, and takes three in the other. laughing
  31. +1
    11 December 2019 10: 05
    As the great grandmaster said:
    It’s easy to manage Russia! All of their logic is based on the path of least resistance (which is not the same with maximum efficiency) and this can be seen
    In all:
    Why industrialize if you can just sell resources?
    Why create an effective management system if you can manually manage it with the help of corruption and dirt.
    So the question is this? why would they introduce this tax for their loved ones this time and secondly, this layer of citizens will bite for their capital! Isn’t it easier to once again rip off the patient people who are swallowing any bill, be it VAT pen reform and other taxes? Why should they take the path of resistance? While the people endure and remain silent, they will continue to go this way ,! hi
    1. Egg
      +1
      11 December 2019 13: 25
      Quote: spirit
      While the people endure and remain silent, they will continue to go this way ,!

      For those who do not tolerate and are not silent, the Russian Guard has been created, the media created an image of the enemy working for the State Department’s money, for agitators of the Criminal Code article and Basmanny courts.
      Your suggestions for changing the existing situation in the country?
  32. +8
    11 December 2019 10: 11
    What kind of servants of the people are they? Some are not folk. And the guarantor is somehow narrow, only for the "servants of the people" his guarantees are not enough. Only good wishes and promises remain for the people themselves. winked We have fun. Someday it can jerk so where there all sorts of NATO and sanctions! If only the instinct of self-preservation was included ... (here we have unprintable) are insatiable.
  33. -4
    11 December 2019 10: 14
    One hope for Navalny that he will collect signatures, the business will move from the dead point by millions
    1. +2
      11 December 2019 11: 17
      He will collect loot from his holders faster than signatures.
      1. -5
        11 December 2019 11: 19
        the rest (opposition so-called) are absolutely spineless, Putin could solve the problem, but does he need it?
        1. +2
          11 December 2019 12: 28
          Do you naively think that Alyosha works in the interests of the people? Yeah. Behind him stand quite definite forces and the prosperity of Russia is not in their interests.
          1. -7
            11 December 2019 12: 32
            conspiracy theology is unprovable, and apart from Navalny Alyosha, Russia has no hope and support
            1. 0
              11 December 2019 12: 45
              30 years ago, they spoke about Yeltsin in the same way. A very suspicious resemblance between Borka-koldir and Alyosha. And yes: the West will help us, as did Yeltsin and no conspiracy theories.
              1. -5
                11 December 2019 12: 59
                Navalny has no alternative, but who is to blame? The Kremlin itself was cleaning up the political space. There is either a swamp, stagnation and painful death, or a ray of hope, change and other blissful bullshit. Navalny just a little tense up and get the hero of Kramskoy's picture "Christ in the Desert. And then, the regime suits everything, he (the regime) needs a good pendel, that is, Navalny's progressive popularity may force the authorities to move in the interests of the country and society, but the biomass has not yet penetrated this simple yet brilliant idea.

                1. +1
                  11 December 2019 13: 01
                  Better to stand still than to follow the goat, which will lead the herd to the slaughterhouse.
                  1. -4
                    11 December 2019 15: 34
                    So you don’t stand, Andrey.
                    1. +2
                      11 December 2019 15: 47
                      I do not consider the current government to be sharply negative. At least not worse than the previous ones, starting with Brezhnev. Of course, you always want the best, but on the foreseeable horizon there are none. Therefore, in this situation, let it be as it is. So far zugzwang: any subsequent move will worsen the situation.
                      1. -3
                        12 December 2019 10: 37
                        And I think, Andrey! In its first years, the Brezhnev government tried to at least partially cross out the criminal "reforms" of Khrushchev, but quickly gave up, and then everything went haywire, although for the people, all of us, this was unnoticed until the mid-70s, approximately,
                        or even before the early 80s. The fact that the government was decaying, or rather already decayed by the time of "perestroika", was visible even without a microscope. Therefore, at first we accepted perestroika with a bang, but we were simply cheated.
                        The same ones are just a gang of thieves and their obliging attendants!
                2. +2
                  11 December 2019 18: 52
                  Bulk such as you, at the first convenient moment, will throw with all the giblets.
    2. +2
      11 December 2019 12: 38
      bulk same stingray as the rest
      1. -3
        11 December 2019 19: 23
        I don’t understand what Navalny did wrong. I reviewed a bunch of his videos and nothing bad about the people, only about high-ranking thieves. Maybe all thieves feel sorry for you, so you freak out on Lyokha?
        By the way, if he had lied in his videos, he would have been imprisoned for a long time or would have been stripped of fines to a goal and trumpeted by all the media, but silence, thieves are silent. Only the defenders of the thieves here harnessed to their defense.
        1. +5
          12 December 2019 09: 13
          but where does the thieves? he is hiding behind the struggle against thieves in order to gain people's loyalty !!! listen to what he wants to do if he becomes president))) Gorbachev 2.0, the complete collapse of Russia
          let him fight with thieves and not climb with offers to surrender all national interests
          1. +1
            12 December 2019 10: 52
            Navalny is not Gorbachev, but Yeltsin 2.0. He also crawled out to expose those in power, under the slogan of fighting privileges. What we got is known.
            1. +2
              12 December 2019 12: 13
              that Yeltsin, that there is no difference between Gorbachev, all traitors
        2. +4
          18 December 2019 03: 03
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          By the way, if he had lied in his videos, he would have been imprisoned for a long time or would have been fined to the goal with fines and would have been trumpeted by all the media about it, but

          Sharia look ... there are a sufficient number of revelations of his balabolstva !! wink wassat wassat wassat about ships, stripes and landings - if you are not in courses on this topic, then why can you finally get into the advocates of this eternal unemployed, who is counting on retirement ?? !!! what wassat wassat lol lol lol
  34. +1
    11 December 2019 11: 16
    Everything was correctly decided in the Duma regarding the income tax rate of 13%.

    Firstly, 13% of the income of one who receives a million a month is already much more than 13% of those who receive 30-40 thousand, but at the same time, all citizens in Russia receive the same roads, schools, hospitals, etc. from the state who wants better pay extra separately.

    Another point that you can make 50% tax for the rich and more, only as a result of taxes to the budget will be even less, as most of them will simply become tax residents of other countries !!!

    Well, for the most armored, in Russia there was already a progressive tax in the 90s, its cancellation increased the collection of the suspicious tax by 7 times !!! At the same time, the minimum rate was raised from 12% to 13%, that is, the rich began to pay more with the abolition of the progressive tax !!!

    There are fewer populists and more interested in the essence of the issue.
    1. Egg
      0
      11 December 2019 13: 33
      some rotten excuses ....
      [quote = Ratmir_Ryazan] Another point that you can make 50% tax for the rich and more, only as a result of taxes to the budget will be even less, as most of them will simply become tax residents of other countries !!!
      [/ quote
      For this, there is customs, the investigative committee and the prosecutor's office, and yes, the same notorious Russian Guard ....
      [quote = Ratmir_Ryazan] Well, for the most armored, there was already a progressive tax in the 90s, its cancellation increased the collection of the suspicious tax by 7 times !!! At the same time, the minimum rate was raised from 12% to 13%, that is, the rich began to pay more with the abolition of the progressive tax !!! [/ quote]
      Yes, it was, and it was canceled under the pressure of the oligarchs, but for the explanation of everything there is a Rosstat and there is absolutely nothing to do with collection
      1. +2
        11 December 2019 21: 01
        For the gifted, I can repeat that the transition to a single tax rate has increased the collection of income tax by 7 times.

        And in order not to pay tax in Russia, it is enough to spend 183 days a year abroad and all according to the law, such a person will not owe any income taxes to Russia.
  35. -2
    11 December 2019 11: 17
    Quote: Serg65
    Pavel Tarasov, together with the DPNI, RONS and the National Union with great pleasure participated in the sweeping of the center of Moscow from gays and lesbians.
    Gays and lesbians I myself despise
    Yes, okay.
    1. +4
      11 December 2019 14: 09
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Yes, okay.

      what That is, you only noticed for gays, but about the Nazis you passed? I understand correctly that fascists are many times better than rear-wheel drive? laughing
  36. -1
    11 December 2019 11: 28
    Proponents of progressive tax, ask yourself three questions:
    1. What percentage will your salary be reduced (if you are not cut at all)
    2. How will prices rise in stores?
    3. How to increase tariffs: housing and communal services, transport and many others?
    In the case of the introduction of a progressive scale.
    1. Egg
      +4
      11 December 2019 13: 46
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      1. What percentage will your salary be reduced (if you are not cut at all)
      2. How will prices rise in stores?
      3. How to increase tariffs: housing and communal services, transport and many others?
      In the case of the introduction of a progressive scale.

      You better worry about how entrepreneurs will survive in the conditions of a complete refusal of the population to work for such entrepreneurs, will they take up the shovel themselves?
      Already now, in the far north we have a severe shortage of workers, salaries in some private enterprises have outstripped salaries in Gazprom, Rosneft and even Transneft and people don’t go, they don’t go, and that’s it. They are forced to bring people from Kazakhstan and other regions, local prefer a lower salary but stable, for years, plus a good social package. A private trader except for a salary can not offer anything, and often work until the end of the construction of the object, and there again look for work ....
      1. -1
        11 December 2019 14: 13
        Private trader quarrel. There are those whose social package is more tasty than the state one. I have a wife, a doctor in a private clinic, she, in addition to granted VHI, also has free meals and compensation for gas on the way home and from home (clinic in the suburbs) True, this is an enterprise with foreign capital.
        1. Egg
          +4
          11 December 2019 14: 21
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          True, this is an enterprise with the participation of foreign capital.

          This explains. I worked at such an enterprise, it is the participation of a foreign capitalist in the management of the enterprise that makes workers more humane than our home-grown bloodsuckers. Our only give free rein, will be forced to plow around the clock, for a crust of bread, and then dried up
          1. 0
            11 December 2019 18: 55
            This is because our people are greedy.
    2. +1
      11 December 2019 18: 51
      Proponents of progressive tax, ask yourself three questions:

      24 lyamas per year is actually quite a large amount.
      So the salary of few will decrease, but the treasury will receive little, respectively. Populism is called.
  37. +3
    11 December 2019 11: 35
    The country that survived the October Revolution, a bloody civil war, etc. now has become a state with one of the biggest income differences between rich and poor ... This is the State. The Duma is absolutely useless for the people and the country! The lessons of the past are not taught, like recently they recalled the 100th anniversary of the 1917 revolution, but they jump on the same rake.
    1. 0
      11 December 2019 18: 09
      This state is useless only for parasites and loafers who did not hit finger to finger in order to change life for the better.
  38. +5
    11 December 2019 11: 45
    So we see double standards on the part of the GDP and the company ... As they raise prices and the retirement age in the Russian Federation, they like to cite the West as an example, but they don’t want to accept the Western taxation scheme ... I'm not talking about Western salaries, for the population, which must be paid at western prices ... It is time to resign to the last of Yeltsin
  39. 0
    11 December 2019 11: 58
    Maybe such a progressive tax would suit everyone? You can play with the odds.
    1. 0
      11 December 2019 12: 40
      it’s garbage, it will be officially a person not 100 to receive 30
  40. +2
    11 December 2019 12: 19
    So I decided not to think, not PEOPLE, but edr ... I and the Kremlin, how can you deprive those on whom their well-being depends.
  41. +2
    11 December 2019 12: 46
    It is strange that billionaires were not at all exempted from taxes, replacing them with contributions to officials from the government ....
  42. +5
    11 December 2019 12: 58
    Author:
    Viktor Kuzovkov
    Therefore, let us thank the Duma Committee on Budget and Taxes for their sanity. And let us give the floor to other committees, which should offer us some reform of the current Criminal Code.

    In fact, any sane person who has studied Marxism understands very well that the point is not in the tax scale, but in the means of production and the division of profits from them, and not in the profit tax. That is why, if we denationalize what was handed out to the oligarchs in the nineties for nothing (or introduce at least a natural annuity), then state property will give us many times more income than all taxes from the oligarchs, even if we increase them to 50%, t. to. Tax evasion methods are known all over the world and they will take advantage of this.
    To correctly understand what is primary and what is secondary, it is enough to see how quickly all our oligarchs in the West have squandered with the loss of income from industrial and financial capital, as soon as they found themselves abroad and could not manage all this in Russia.
    So all the fuss around taxation does not solve the fundamental problem of how to return public property to those who, by their own stupidity, gave it into the hands of various crooks in the nineties. Having solved it, we will immediately get rid of many problems, including the problem of taxation in our country.
    1. -5
      11 December 2019 17: 18
      A sane person does not study Marxism, as a non-viable theory is the lot of utopian experimenters.
      1. +2
        11 December 2019 18: 43
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        A sane person does not study Marxism,

        Marxism is studied in many universities in the world - you are simply not in the subject.
        1. 0
          11 December 2019 18: 48
          They are studying as one of the political economic trends. And not as a guide to action.
          1. 0
            11 December 2019 19: 47
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            They are studying as one of the political economic trends. And not as a guide to action.

            Especially in China and Vietnam they ignore this doctrine, and do not consider it a guide to action - the first economic country in the world and one of the most dynamically developing.
            1. -1
              11 December 2019 20: 21
              In China, they have gone far enough from Marxism. Therefore, they are developing. This is not the DPRK, where Marxism blooms and smells.
              1. -1
                11 December 2019 21: 00
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                In China, they have gone far enough from Marxism.

                You apparently have not heard that Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action - study the classics whose ideas the CCP uses. By the way, the DPRK is the only country in the world who openly raped the Americans, and this is already respected.
                1. -1
                  12 December 2019 17: 56
                  Marxism - in the current realities is not functional.
                  1. 0
                    12 December 2019 18: 34
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Marxism - in the current realities is not functional.

                    Some of the provisions of Marxism in the current situation are really inefficient, because it could not look 150 years ahead and take into account all the nuances of world development. But the main essence of his teaching on ownership of the means of production and on the division of profits under capitalism and communism is still relevant, and no one has refuted his conclusions.
                    It is strange that many here swear by the current oligarchs, but at the same time they do not want to remember how they themselves or their parents shouted "Down with the KPSS", and when they ate shit, they suddenly believed that Russian capitalism should take care of them. So you will wonder whether our people have completely gone crazy, or they still believe in miracles ...
  43. BAI
    -1
    11 December 2019 13: 16
    1. Differentiated taxation is contrary to the constitution. At all equal.
    2. At us, very often, at the wheel of a Lamborghini, beggars, unemployed homeless people cut through.
    3.
    Personally, I can’t recall a single one. I probably have something with a memory ...

    Probably. Among the bouquet of accusations (even the Ministry of Natural Resources noted - rabbits reproduced in unsanitary conditions on the farm) against Khodorkovsky - tax evasion.
  44. +1
    11 December 2019 13: 25
    It’s good to adopt from the West, in no case. Any mura, please.
  45. +2
    11 December 2019 13: 46
    Quote: Yrec
    I never voted for EdRo and I will not. I always vote for SR, although their program is weak, but anyway, ideologically, they are closest to me. I propose not to vote for EdRo in the next election.
    Your SR is a "subsidiary company" of EdRa, though disguised as a socialist party. There is also such a term - spoiler party. Excuse me for the Bolshevik directness and the information that disappoints you, but I gave you a plus. lol hi
    1. 0
      11 December 2019 19: 17
      Likewise, the pure spoiler. And the spoiler is spare. The first spoiler of the "party in power" was the Liberal Democratic Party.
  46. +1
    11 December 2019 14: 54
    I did not expect anything else from them ...
  47. +1
    11 December 2019 15: 02
    Uff, I breathed out, thank God taxes will not increase, you can safely get rich starting on Monday! lol
  48. +2
    11 December 2019 15: 32
    We are not able to collect taxes
    From thieves - they don’t want, but from the people - even as they know how and still improve their skills in robbing a meek people
  49. 0
    11 December 2019 16: 49
    Who will give from himself "everything that is acquired by back-breaking labor."
  50. 0
    11 December 2019 17: 03
    When people talk about the same scale in the West and Russia, they forget about the presence of wide tax deductions in the West. For example, in the USA, the deduction for a family is 24 thousand standard and another 2 thousand for a child. That is, if you earn $ 50k, $ 100k or $ 200k per year, the share of taxable income is different and, as a result, the effective rate is progressive.
  51. +3
    11 December 2019 17: 57
    The question arises: where does this thought fit in and is it needed at all?
    1. +1
      11 December 2019 18: 03
      Thinks about 20 thousand Russian millionaires, doesn’t care about the rest
      1. 0
        11 December 2019 18: 58
        In Russia there are no less than 7 million of them - and in dollars.
        1. 0
          12 December 2019 15: 44
          7 no less - and in dollars.

          Too much - a million maybe
  52. +1
    11 December 2019 17: 59
    Yes, all these faces all over the garden ring on every pillar
  53. +3
    11 December 2019 18: 19
    Whoever rules is the one who orders laws for his loved ones. The rest have no money and never will, but you hold on. Dot. They encroached on the sacred.
  54. 0
    11 December 2019 18: 39
    Something needs to change in Russia .. The State Duma is a “hornet’s nest” of neoliberals of all stripes trying to show themselves off as “bees” .. These bugs are already under the skin of Russia and you can’t just squeeze them out .. hi
    If something is not done in the coming years, then Russia may collapse into turmoil... I can feel it in my genes!
  55. 0
    11 December 2019 19: 29
    Quote: tank64rus
    Whoever rules is the one who orders laws for his loved ones. The rest have no money and never will, but you hold on. Dot. They encroached on the sacred.


    This is the sad truth.

    They still find time to mock the people:

    "People begged to raise the retirement age"

    [media=https://youtu.be/vhT-Wm_lZAU]

  56. +1
    11 December 2019 21: 04
    impotent people admitted to sexual impotence...
  57. -2
    11 December 2019 21: 38
    Quote: andrew42
    Likewise, the pure spoiler. And the spoiler is spare. The first spoiler of the "party in power" was the Liberal Democratic Party.

    Yes sir! hi
  58. 0
    11 December 2019 23: 33
    But Russians support raising the retirement age, Russian public sector workers have long come to terms with the fact that salaries are raised by at best 4% and at best once every 5-10 years, Russians support the import of hundreds of tons of nuclear “tails” into the territory of the Russian Federation, Russians They support that after retirement (if you live long enough) you need to earn extra money somewhere else, otherwise you will perish in poverty, shuffling around in the trash, Russians support writing off billions of debts to the countries of Africa and LA, Russians support the introduction of new taxes such as PLATO, VAT, etc. , Russians support an endless increase in gasoline prices, even when oil is falling, Russians support an increase in prices for products and services in housing and communal services, and this list can be continued for a very long time, BUT THE RUSSIANS DO NOT SUPPORT OUR “ELITE” FASHIONS TO PAY MORE TO THE TREASURE.
    1. -2
      12 December 2019 18: 00
      Normal people don't scavenge through trash cans - those with mental problems scavenge there.
  59. 0
    12 December 2019 01: 23
    Who benefits from beggar taxes?
  60. 0
    12 December 2019 02: 03
    Tell me honestly, is anyone present here surprised by this decision?
  61. 0
    12 December 2019 07: 08
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Test photo! Thank you, I laughed in the morning
    The photo is really creepy, really vampire ghouls (they’re not even hiding).
  62. 0
    12 December 2019 07: 37
    Taxes .. all the news of recent years, only from the series - either a tax increase, or the introduction of new taxes. And besides taxes, we also have CONTRIBUTIONS, which also constantly go up. And they are surprised that fees are starting to fall, well, yes, you pay a person 30k, and another about 12k you pay to the state (about 42k in total).
  63. 0
    12 December 2019 08: 48
    That's all, everyone in the country pays taxes through VAT. The tax scheme is not applicable to small businesses and undeveloped enterprises. All that is needed is for the debit and credit to pass through the cash register. For accounting, you don’t need more, a rate of 13% of income is optimal, a lucky number. But now the devil is in the details. There is a corporation. She carries out expenses and income, tax = (income-expenses) * 13%. There is an individual entrepreneur, a state of emergency. Why not apply this scheme to individual entrepreneurs and emergency situations. I rent a room, this is an expense. I bought a cash register, this is an expense. I paid the worker, that's an expense. I hired a car, a tractor for harvesting potatoes, this is an expense. I bought myself a tractor, it's an expense. I filled it with diesel fuel, which is a waste. Everything I buy from someone, that someone also pays sales tax, it’s impossible to cheat. If someone pushes a tractor for you outside of the cash register, you won’t be able to record it as an expense, you won’t do it. The whole scheme is based on honesty. Let's treat individual entrepreneurs and private entrepreneurs honestly, taxes will be collected. In the meantime, the schematosis is like this, the one who is in the shadow wins. Whatever you want from it, you encouraged it yourself. We are moving in the wrong direction, comrades, in the wrong direction.
    1. 0
      12 December 2019 08: 55
      The tax base was originally built on lies, lies and you get it. There is no second chance!
    2. 0
      16 December 2019 13: 32
      A legal entity on the general taxation system first pays VAT 20% of the margin (this is if there is input VAT, if not, then 20% of the cost of the goods!), then pays a profit tax of 20%! And when paying dividends, the founder who received them pays another 13% personal income tax, and individual entrepreneurs working on a simple basis pay just like 6% (I don’t know exactly) from turnover, this is often cheaper and simpler.
  64. +1
    12 December 2019 08: 51
    In a closed economy, you will collect 50%, and in an export environment, the place of profit making will move to offshore... another thing is that all raw materials and metallurgists need to be returned from offshore. Otherwise, their costs are in rubles, in our ecology and health, and their profits are offshore.
    1. 0
      12 December 2019 10: 39
      How can you work normally here if those at the top have seven Fridays a week? So we have to legally open an enterprise overseas, everything is fair and transparent there.
      1. 0
        12 December 2019 11: 10
        And there is truth in this....so the value of the selected assets will be recovered from the state. And the tax authorities won’t get their paw on the accounts so easily.
  65. 0
    12 December 2019 11: 59
    https://youtu.be/LQgJVL89Tkc
    It has to be so, there is no second chance.
  66. +2
    12 December 2019 12: 01
    Wow, what a great fellow the Communist Party of the Russian Federation! They really care about the people, oh, where were they when they had a majority in the Duma in 95 and could actually act for the population? They didn’t need all this, but now they need populism...
    1. 0
      12 December 2019 18: 06
      The Communist Party of the Russian Federation, led by the already free-flowing Uncle Zyu, has been a broken and broken record since 95.
  67. 0
    12 December 2019 15: 44
    In fact, personal income tax does not need to be increased; there is another injustice that no one writes about anywhere. Everyone pays a single social tax from their salary (pension, compulsory medical insurance, etc.), as far as I remember, 34% on everything, but above a certain salary (200 thousand) the tax is reduced by 2,5 times
  68. -1
    12 December 2019 18: 06
    I like the idea that there is one tax for everyone! Why, for example, have I been screwing around all my life, in order to earn this money I have to pay an even higher tax? I took courses, read a lot of books, developed myself, worked at night. And simple lazy Vanya will sit on his butt in the office and spit at the ceiling, drink beer in the evenings and he will pay less tax?

    But I don’t like that we have rich people who are essentially thieves! And there are low-income citizens who have no choice. For example, the same lazy Vanya left his wife with 2 children and she now works 3 jobs to feed them, because she really doesn’t have time to even think about what to change in life. Such people need help!


    Replace dull work with robots, thereby stopping rewarding incompetent workers! Develop yourself! Incentivize those who remain with bonuses! After all, we have already become more efficient and work only with the best! Only forward! Using the freed up money, organize a fund to help people in difficult situations!

    Fight the parasites, fight the thieves! Promotion of working on yourself!
  69. +1
    12 December 2019 18: 08
    Article is bad
    The idea of ​​a flat scale is good - the bright idea that “the rich pay more” does not fit in everyone’s head.
    Bad idea - taxes on property (real estate, cars, etc.).
  70. +1
    13 December 2019 17: 54
    These are the realities of modern Russia...
  71. -2
    14 December 2019 14: 46
    Glory to Plutin!!! Slava Eating Russia. If not them, then who will rule the country? Or do you want it like in the 90s? They will choose Platoshkin and the khan of the country (SARCASM)
  72. +1
    15 December 2019 03: 58
    Now replace the word "America"to the phrase"today's Russia"...
    It’s as if they are singing about our time.
    And by the way, only in Russia today there is no progressive tax. Do you get the point?

  73. +1
    16 December 2019 10: 13
    Who pays their own income tax? 90% of the population only hear about taxes on wages and have no idea how much deductions they make, this is the concern of the enterprises where people work! Conclusion: all taxes on salary are a tax burden on enterprises! And what kind of enterprise is this burden on? 13% personal income tax + 28% pension fund + change = more than 41% is added to the salary fund, this is a salary tax as in Europe. Enterprises are moving away from this game! The income of small LLCs with up to 500 thousand per month is the income of the LLC owners on which they live and they must pay 33% tax on income (first the LLC pays 20% of profits, and then the owner pays 13% personal income tax)! Why on earth should these people pay so much?
    Therefore, I do not agree with the author about tightening the legislation; first, taxes should be assessed fairly, and then the punishment should be increased!
    I don’t understand why they can’t make the employee pay taxes for himself? The entire salary will become white, it will be possible to understand exactly from whom and how much taxes can be taken, and who really needs help!
  74. +1
    21 December 2019 22: 32
    Such a decision will only worsen the financial situation. the state of the poor population, of which there are 40 percent of the population in Russia, and the widening gap between the rich and the poor, which is bad for the economy, because purchasing power, even on average across the country, will decrease given the current fiscal burden and people’s income not increasing. Now even if you have a product that is in demand on the market, it is impossible to sell it because it cannot be bought...

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