474 Bulgarian kilometers. The gas pipe weld is not simple, but golden

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474 Bulgarian kilometers. The gas pipe weld is not simple, but golden

Bulgarian transit with a Ukrainian accent


It is not easy to assess in which direction of gas transit Russia has more difficulties: northern, southern, or just in Ukrainian. The Danish rebus seems to have decided the Nord Stream, but it is not clear yet whether the Turkish Stream will deal with the Bulgarian demarche.

Recent ones news from Sofia are encouraging, and it seems that it’s not just that the Russian president has already made it clear to Bulgaria that this could bypass. And the Bulgarian prime minister even managed to answer that Russia has no alternative to Bulgaria.



The direct intervention of Vladimir Putin shows that everything is not easy. The dispute is clearly protracted, although the cessation of Ukrainian transit is getting closer and more likely. And unfortunately, the case clearly will not do without direct or indirect intervention of the American pragmatist from the White House - Donald Trump. Russia and Gazprom have already received the next batch of sanctions for the Nord Stream, and now, it seems, the Turkish Stream has also been put in the queue for sanctions.

There is one hero in Bulgarian literature, which many “brothers” do not like, about the same as the Czechs of the brave soldier Schweik. He came from the pen of the unforgettable Aleko Konstantinov and his name is Bai Ganyu. Rustic and fisted, but an economic provincial, as they say, on his mind. Somewhere, he can get into a mess, but he will never miss his own benefits, albeit miserable.

In anticipation of the hour X, when Ukraine will most likely block the Russian gas valve on January 1, the Bulgarian partners of the Russian Gazprom have clearly re-read the adventures of Bai Ganyu. What is even worth the accession of Bulgaria to the Trans-Balkan pipeline, through which blue fuel flows from Russia to Turkey. Through Ukraine. And if gas is cut off in Kiev, then it can be delivered to Sofia by reverse from the Turkish Stream.

The situation became especially acute when it became clear that with the launch of the Turkish Stream of the first, or, as Turkish President R. Erdogan stated, on January 8 of 2020, Bulgaria automatically ceases to be a transit of Russian gas. Currently, gas from the Russian Federation to Turkey is supplied through Ukraine, Moldova, Romania and Bulgaria via the very Trans-Balkan corridor. But the need for such supplies disappears - Ankara will receive Russian gas through the Turkish Stream.


The Bulgarians have already managed to calculate their losses from this - it turned out 110 million dollars. But, most likely, now the Bulgarian officials do not consider the losses, but simply rub their hands in pleasure due to their clever combination. Well, they say, they stayed with gas, and outwitted the Russian monopolist. After all, he will also have to do something with Hungary and Serbia, which have been much more loyal to Russia for the past ten years.

And all this after being able to cut the "Danish" node on the "Nord Stream 2". However, it would be very useful for the heirs of Bai Gan to recall that the Trans-Balkan gas pipeline with a final point in Baumgarten, Austria, remains unfinished. What is its fundamental difference from the Turkish Stream and the modest Trans-Balkan corridor.

Without looking at Turkey


The agreement that Moscow and Ankara will refuse supplies along the Trans-Balkan corridor as soon as the Turkish Stream is launched was reached back in 2017. And no one made a secret of her. Of its two branches, one supplies gas directly to Turkey, and the other in transit through this country to southern Europe.

How the second branch will go, they discussed for a very long time, and in the end the choice fell on Bulgaria, but, apparently, this was a mistake. Although Sofia can simply bargain, not only with Moscow and Ankara, but also with Washington, it’s not for nothing that Prime Minister Boyko Borisov flew there so quickly. Obviously, he asked how Sofia could be punished for participating in the Turkish Stream.


In the situation in the south, Gazprom does not have such powerful allies as in the north. But to supply gas in the direction of Budapest and Belgrade is somehow necessary. It is difficult to understand why Russia so long pulled with an ultimatum against Bulgaria, but, nevertheless, the threat finally sounded, and from the lips of the Russian president himself. Apparently, it was postponed only with the expectation of a more accommodating Ukrainian president.

The calculation did not materialize, but perhaps only for now. The gas war with Ukraine has practically not stopped since the collapse of the USSR and may well be longer than the Centennial. Every year it draws into the sphere of influence more and more countries, and for a long time not only European ones.

Maybe only Southeast Asia can still afford the luxury of not noticing the “Ukrainian syndrome,” although the “Power of Siberia” suggests that this is not entirely true. More precisely, not at all like that. Media in the West now regularly reminds that Russia is trying to use not only the weakness of Ukraine, but also Ankara’s divorce from Washington. At the same time, it is somehow forgotten that in the first place there is pure pragmatics.

In the case of the Ukrainian “no,” something needs to be done, since Russia is not the first time to receive a blow from Bulgaria below the belt. Once, in the 90 years, in the seaside Bulgarian Burgas, the Russian Lukoil seriously built up a powerful oil refinery there, but this did not help at all in resolving the crisis with the Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline (Bulgaria - northern Greece).


Oil in the pipeline was supposed to come from Novorossiysk, and it could unload the Turkish straits under Turkish control. This pipe did not work out just because of excessive requests from Bulgaria, as well as later with the gas "South Stream", which Moscow simply had to refuse.

Then even Greece made an indiscreet offer to Gazprom to extend the pipeline from Turkey through its territory, and then to Italy. However, at that moment Russia was just beginning to establish business oil and gas relations with Turkey, and Gazprom could not accept such an offer.

Today, the Turkish Stream is not enough to complete only 500 with a few kilometers, of which 474 pass through the territory of Bulgaria. The Balkan gas pipeline was to be built by the Italian-Saudi consortium Arcade, chosen as if deliberately in defiance of the Russian Gazprom. As you might expect, he openly failed the project, which was facilitated by the Bulgarians, who arranged a five-month showdown with rival Arcade.

At the same time, that very prime minister, Boyko Borisov, was shamelessly referring to the EU standards, because of which, in fact, many Gazprom projects were inhibited. He himself hastened to a rendezvous with US President Donald Trump for consultations, among other things, on the energy issue.

By the way, the same EU rules have repeatedly poked the Russian gas monopoly in the eye about another ambitious project - the Nord Stream. However, the Russian “Gazprom” ignored the last Danish “comma” with the direct participation of the European energy giants.

It so happened that the precedent did not work out. It turned out to only slightly slow down the implementation of the project. Now, the same thing can happen with the Turkish Stream, although in the allies of Gazprom, there remain mainly Turkish firms there. In the south, Gazprom has few arguments such as in the dispute with Denmark, but there are more alternative routes than in the case of the Danish Nord Stream 2 veto.

And as it became known literally the day before, almost the ultimatum of the Russian president worked without delay. The Executive Director of Bulgartransgaz, Vladimir Malinov, said that starting from January 1 of January 2020, Bulgaria will be able to provide transit gas supplies to Greece and Macedonia from the Turkish Stream. According to Malinov, on November 30, Turkey made a “golden” weld seam connecting the Turkish Stream with the Balkan Stream, which is located in Bulgaria.
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  1. +19
    11 December 2019 06: 01
    Prime Minister Boyko Borisov ... hastened to a rendezvous with US President Trump for consultations, among other things, on the energy issue

    Something similar was already in history.
    1. +13
      11 December 2019 07: 05
      Well, there are no more problems in the country, how to persuade the Bulgarians who "threw" Russia more than once.
      1. +20
        11 December 2019 08: 57
        Quote: Civil
        Well, there are no more problems in the country, how to persuade the Bulgarians who "threw" Russia more than once.

        It surprises me too. People are seriously worried about the fate of the Turkish stream, Nord Stream-2, Ukrainian transit, and more. At the same time, our government, with its president and edrosia, treats this very people worse than it does its pets. People, I appeal to you. You will not see a single penny from these flows. These thieves will continue to deceive you, rob and use you for personal enrichment. We all need to think seriously about this general situation. How to make socially oriented people come to power. The current thieves billionaires will not give up power without a fight. This must be recognized for everyone. Are we ready to give them a fight? For myself, I personally answered this question a long time ago. It's time to answer you.
        1. +16
          11 December 2019 09: 36
          What a shame! It would seem that everyone should beg Russia to sell gas and oil, without which they can’t survive. But the lost ones rest (with feet and hands) and do not understand this.

          And only the Kremlin does not give up! He persuades, threatens and even sets ultimatums, if only to transfer such necessary gas (oil) to his partners. It seems that this is the Kremlin’s mission - to encircle everything with pipes and quickly pump out the bowels ... The fact that their descendants of irreplaceable bowels may be missing, this can be neglected for the sake of a lofty goal.
          1. +7
            11 December 2019 10: 36
            It would seem that everyone should beg Russia to sell gas and oil, without which they can’t survive. But the erring stubble and do not understand this. And only the Kremlin does not give up! He persuades, threatens and even sets ultimatums, if only to transfer such necessary gas (oil) to his partners.

            Dear Stas hi , in normal market relations, the buyer must be chased, competing with other suppliers! Because, he is a client, he has money! And the seller needs the money! Here you are rightly hinting - where does the money from the profit of selling Russian resources go? And what remains for posterity? This is a sore point for the Russian Federation!
            I personally would like to see Russian goods in our markets! High-quality, competitive, high-tech! But there are none at all! request
            1. +14
              11 December 2019 10: 40
              Quote: pytar
              I personally would like to see Russian goods in our markets! High-quality, competitive, high-tech!

              I would also like to see it. And this, just, could be proud of! But on top are other priorities. Distributing oil and gas is easier.
              1. +3
                11 December 2019 11: 17
                Quote: pytar
                in normal market relations, the buyer must be chased, competing with other suppliers!

                Dear Bulgarian citizen.
                Please chase the buyer of bell pepper.

                Pray to God that January 1 gas would go through the Bulgarian pipe.
                Otherwise, you will not have a pipe or gas.

                And it remains for you to chase the buyers of bell peppers according to market relations.

                And don't forget to get the go-ahead from the Yankees.
                1. +10
                  11 December 2019 11: 22
                  Quote: pytar
                  Because, he is a client, he has money!

                  Money from gas buyers. You do not belong to them.
                  Transiters (Bulgarians, Ukrainians) are commonplace parasites. You want to cut down the loot trite, but s.syte sanctions from overseas.

                  Tales about the invisible hand of the market tell each other in the kitchen, in winter, basking in a potbelly stove in which dung will smolder.
                  1. +2
                    11 December 2019 14: 37
                    Money from gas buyers. You do not belong to them.

                    Bulgaria (7 million inhabitants) consumes 3,5 billion gas per year. ~ 2,01 sq.m. / person
                    Russia (147 million inhabitants), consumes 488 billion gas per year ~ 3,3 km2018 / person. (XNUMX)
                    Keeping in mind the climate, consumption in Bulgaria is quite comparable. Of course, Bulgaria is a small consumer compared to other EU countries. But we need gas, enough money is enough! bully
                    Transiters (Bulgarians, Ukrainians) are commonplace parasites. You want to cut down the loot trite, but s.syte sanctions from overseas.

                    Why didn’t the Turks mention it? And other transit countries? Yes, build tankers, sell LNG, you won’t transit! fellow Under capitalism, everyone wants to make a profit! Gazprom is not a commercial company, or what? request
                    Tales about the invisible hand of the market tell each other in the kitchen, in winter, basking in a potbelly stove in which dung will smolder.

                    If you do not see the gopher, this does not mean that it is not ... laughing
                2. +3
                  11 December 2019 12: 03
                  Dear Bulgarian citizen. Please chase the buyer of bell pepper.

                  Dear Vladimir, caught up! In 2018, Bulgarian agricultural exports amounted to ~ 5 euros. good
                  Pray to God that January 1 gas will go through the Bulgarian pipe. Otherwise, you will not have a pipe or gas.

                  God is not interested in gas. Here you have to work, but the work is going quite well! From January 1, gas will go first to Greece and R.S. Macedonia, and from the middle of the year onwards. The pipe is owned by Bulgartransgaz.
                  https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/28914-stroitelstvo-turetskogo-potoka-cherez-bolgariyu-idet-po-grafiku
                  https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/28919-bolgarskij-potok-gotov-prinimat-gaz-iz-turetskogo-potoka-s-1-yanvarya
                  And don't forget to get the go-ahead from the Yankees.

                  I answered another comment here. All membranes are overcrowded. Moreover, the project is funded by American and European banks.
                  Everything will be fine, do not get fooled by misinformation attacks, replicated from a few days. good
                  1. +12
                    11 December 2019 12: 42
                    Quote: pytar
                    God is not interested in gas. Here you need to work

                    Dear Bulgarian citizen.
                    I do not care how they work in Bulgaria.
                    I do not care about all the promises of the Bulgarian leadership.

                    You are giving advice to whom and what to do and how to live.
                    You watch yourself. Do not climb into someone else's garden.

                    For me, it’s so to turn off the gas for you and everyone else in Europe until every house in Russia is gasified.

                    Salvage rules your world. And this way of life, unfortunately from the west, has come to our country.

                    God will give a climb.

                    And I would turn off the gas to you and the like, so that you would enjoy the market and the queue of suppliers.
                    1. +5
                      11 December 2019 14: 48
                      I don't care how they work in Bulgaria. I do not care about all the promises of the Bulgarian leadership.

                      Spit is not good ... negative
                      Here you give advice to whom and what to do and how to live. You take care of yourself. Do not climb into someone else's garden.

                      I express my opinion, as you do. And your last line applies to you too ... " hi
                      For me, it’s so to turn off the gas for you and everyone else in Europe until every house in Russia is gasified.

                      I AM FOR! good Half of my relatives are Russians! Russia is a cold country, in Bulgaria the winter is short, warm!
                      Damn rules your the world. And this lifestyle is unfortunately from the west has come and our country.

                      "Our" world came from "you"? Loot rules and you? What then is the difference between "your" world from "our"? request
                    2. +3
                      13 December 2019 16: 10
                      And I would turn off the gas to you and the like

                      You better give up your work, look at you. But those who make a profit with many zeros will not give up money, and you yourself, too, will not turn out to be from a salary, but you want to cut someone's profit.
                3. 0
                  11 December 2019 12: 30
                  Otherwise, what? You will take it weakly - to us without gas, to you without pepper. What's the use?
                  1. +5
                    11 December 2019 12: 46
                    laughing:
                    Quote: Mac Simka
                    Otherwise, what?


                    We have plenty of pepper. Did you not know?
                    It has only the name Bulgarian, but it grows in my garden.

                    Do you think that we are buying grinders in Bulgaria? :
                    1. -1
                      11 December 2019 12: 50
                      Quote: Vladimir16
                      Did you not know?


                      Do you think we are interested in what you grow in your garden or what kind of grinders do you have?
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            2. +4
              11 December 2019 18: 37
              Bulgargaz proposes to reduce gas prices in Bulgaria by 1.94%
              1 December, 2019

              “Bulgargaz” EAD proposes starting January 1 of next year to reduce (domestic) gas prices in Bulgaria by 1.94%, according to the company's website.
              The reason for the reduction in prices is the projected decrease in delivery costs, due to a change in the gas supply point, which from January 1, 2020 will enter the country through Turkey.
              Bulgargaz is also negotiating with Gazprom Export, a Russian company, to lower the price of natural gas supplied to the country. Despite the fact that the deadline for concluding the agreement expired on December 3, 2019, the parties continue negotiations, during which the Bulgarian side insists that the price of gas supplied to Bulgaria correspond to the prices at European gas hubs. It is in the interest of the parties to complete negotiations as soon as possible, the company’s statement emphasized.
            3. +1
              11 December 2019 22: 44
              In normal market relations, the buyer also runs after the supplier whose product is cheaper. Gazprom has a bunch of advantages over any other supplier to keep the minimum price. Therefore, the attitude of Bulgaria towards cooperation with Gazprom is at least surprising. Although, given the influence of third countries, it is no longer surprising.
              1. +3
                11 December 2019 23: 32
                In normal market relations, the buyer also runs after the supplier whose product is cheaper.

                For monopolists, products are always more expensive. Normal market relations and the monopoly are incompatible.
                Gazprom has a bunch of advantages over any other supplier to keep the minimum price.

                Do not confuse cost with selling prices. Gazprom’s benefits only matter if there are other suppliers.
                Therefore, the attitude of Bulgaria towards cooperation with Gazprom is at least surprising.

                There is no "cooperation" when the monopolist rips you off with prices significantly higher than on the stock exchange. Diversification is needed.
                1. +2
                  12 December 2019 00: 03
                  Gazprom is by no means a monopolist in the European market. Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Iran have gas for export. Through Turkey, not only from Russia and Iran is gas coming. Another gas pipeline is being built from Azerbaijan. There is still Norwegian gas, but far away. After all, LNG. You can bring a tanker from Qatar or even from the USA to Greece and calmly pump it to Bulgaria. But at Gazprom it will be cheaper in any case. But Gazprom believes that long-term cooperation with predictable prices that are not subject to short-term spot manipulation is more beneficial. The choice is yours.
                  1. +3
                    12 December 2019 09: 46
                    Gazprom is by no means a monopolist in the European market.

                    Gazprom is a monopolist in Bulgaria. 100% of the gas until recently received from it.
                    1. -1
                      13 December 2019 02: 03
                      There is nothing wrong with this if you can quickly switch to other suppliers. With the development of LNG supplies, this is not a problem right now. By the way, South Stream was planned to exclude blackmail from the transit side and force majeure in 2009 in order to preserve the gas market in Bulgaria for mutual benefit. How Bulgaria could refuse such a thing still does not fit in my head.
                      1. +1
                        13 December 2019 09: 50
                        How Bulgaria could refuse such a thing still does not fit in my head.

                        It does not fit, because it is not! Not Bulgaria refused!
                        "On December 1, 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a press conference in Ankara that Russia refuses from the construction of the South Stream due to the unconstructive position of the European Union through the gas pipeline; energy flows will be redirected to other regions and liquefied gas projects: “We believe that the position European Commission was unconstructive. In fact, not only would the European Commission help in the implementation of this project, we see that obstacles to its implementation are being created. If Europe does not want to realize it, then it will not be realized""
                      2. 0
                        13 December 2019 22: 49
                        Now the European Commission is also counteracting Nord Stream 2. The reasons are purely political. There are many Russophobes in the European Commission. But the Germans said that they needed it and that it would be built. It got to the point that now the United States also announces sanctions to German companies participating in SP-2, but the Germans still rest against it. Benefit outweighs politics.
                        Bulgaria blindly walked in line with the requirements of the European Commission, although it understood that this was not in its national interests. Obeyed Russophobia from the European Commission. She listened to the Poles, Balts, Bandera from Ukraine and did not say a word in defense of the South Stream. After that, Russia logically refused and switched to the option with the Turks. This does not fit into the head.
                      3. -1
                        13 December 2019 23: 46
                        In my opinion, what is happening has nothing to do with russophobia. Here we are talking about colossal money and related business interests. The oligarchs are only interested in their profits, nothing else. And their superprofit, is money cut off from the people. Natural resources have long ceased to belong to ordinary people. The propaganda, lavishly paid by the super-rich, manipulates societies. "Russophobes, enemies, traitors, the country is surrounded ... etc., etc.", but the people do not see how their pockets are covered! The state does not serve the monopolies, but the state serves the monopolies! Look at things from the other side and a lot of things will become clear. hi
                      4. 0
                        14 December 2019 01: 10
                        Russophobia is a common word for concerted action to weaken Russia. Many Europeans are afraid that a strengthened Russia will begin to exert pressure on Europe in their interests. And such countries as the Baltic states, Poland and the authorities of Bandera Ukraine are really afraid that they will spill for everything that they have done against Russia and the Russians in recent years, taking advantage of Russia's weakness (and they are right to do what they fear. They will sooner or later really spill). Therefore, for them, the weaker Russia is, the better and all means are good.
                        And this is precisely politics and not business. Politics are usually higher than business. Germany is still the first sign where the business with SP-2 has pushed its interest against the policies of the European Commission and the United States.
                      5. 0
                        14 December 2019 01: 37
                        Russophobia is a common word for concerted action to weaken Russia.

                        It turns out .. they are in power !? winked
                        And countries such as the Baltic states, Poland and the authorities of Bandera Ukraine are really afraid that they will pour out .... and they are right that they are afraid.

                        So do it right! Justified! Nothing to yell at them! laughing
                        Politics are usually higher than business.

                        Controversial hardening. Not just the rule, but it does. Yes
                        Germany is still the first sign where the business with SP-2 has pushed its interest against the policies of the European Commission and the United States.

                        There is such a moment. Valery, in fact, the situation is somewhat different! 3-EPR contains the same requirements for UP, TP and SP-2. Earlier, when preparing UP, the restrictions applied only to the land part - the supplier cannot simultaneously be the owner of the pipe. Since SP-2 already ends up on the German coast, there was no membrane on the EC side. With UP, the situation was different! Nobody forbade Gazprom, they would pull the pipe directly to the Bulgarian shores, and then they had to use another operator ... as in the case of SP-2 and Germany. Gazprom refused because Germany is the main consumer, and Bulgaria is a transit country! The gas monopoly made a strategic mistake, but this is my opinion. Restrictions on the offshore appeared later. Here Germany fights with them! Probably, Gazprom will still not receive permission to use the entire flow rate.
                      6. 0
                        14 December 2019 02: 19
                        Gazprom’s logic regarding transit countries is simple and straightforward. Just because Gazprom is not a monopolist, the transit price has an important component in the final price for the consumer. Nobody wants to invest billions, risking to be left without a sales market due to a change in the mood of the transit country. 2009 showed it in all its glory. Actually SP-1 and SP-2 and UP are the result of blackmail by Ukraine. Economic weapons are powerful but only work once. Therefore, Gazprom so wanted to buy a transit pipe from Ukraine and refused to sell gas on the border of the Russian Federation. And therefore I wanted to have a decisive influence on the price of transit in Bulgaria. With the end user, everything is simpler and more understandable.
                        But this is also understood in the EC. And so they rolled out the third energy package against Gazprom in relation to transit.
                      7. +1
                        14 December 2019 12: 19
                        We understood you! good Just a few words: 3-EP acts on gas pipelines started after its adoption. LNG is a more flexible system, although the cost of gas is higher. EU policy is aimed at diversification, respectively, flexible systems have a place to be! As I mentioned in another post, it’s not a policy to create equal competitive conditions, but a policy of equalizing the capabilities of competitorsso that no one could get an overwhelming advantage and, accordingly, a monopoly market share! Suppliers have access to the external border of the Union, further to the internal market! Very sensible, correct policy from the point of view of European consumers! There are similar laws in the United States, for example with Intel and AMD. And against the background of all of the above, reproaches against Bulgaria look completely unconvincing, will you agree? EU interests converge with those of Bulgaria. "Potential profit" from UP is a myth! The damage is 10 times more! And the law under which you yourself signed, must be observed! hi
                      8. 0
                        16 December 2019 13: 36
                        competitor equalization policy
                        Yes, that’s the problem. Gazprom has a natural advantage - huge reserves and low gas production costs. Others have expensive sea or shale deposits, and many are on the verge of depletion. No, well, you can certainly equalize the possibilities and make everyone pay more. But who benefits from this and who feels bad? Gazprom is definitely not.
                        I honestly generally oppose gas supplies to Europe. Rather, for deliveries, but only if Europe pursues an adequate policy towards Russia, such as lifting sanctions, ending Russophobic hysteria, etc. Russia is able to produce everything it needs and not depend on Europe and the USA. And all that China itself cannot produce. It is necessary to strive for this.
                      9. 0
                        16 December 2019 15: 52
                        equalization policy of competitors. Yes, that’s the problem. Gazprom has a natural advantage - huge reserves and low gas production costs. Others have expensive sea or shale deposits, and many are on the verge of depletion.

                        Valery, you correctly arranged everything on the shelves. good By the way, China has the richest shale gas reserves in the world! About 1,06 trillion cubic meters of shale gas are concentrated at the depth of the Sichuan depression. It is not excluded that they are many times more than expected. Interestingly, China has long begun work on their assimilation. The problem is the difficulty of mining, they are at a great depth. But the Chinese are intensively developing effective technologies:
                        https://finance.rambler.ru/economics/41641292-kitay-gotovit-revolyutsiyu-na-mirovom-rynke-gaza/
                        No, well, you can certainly equalize the possibilities and make everyone pay more. But who benefits from this and who feels bad? Gazprom is definitely not.

                        But that is not so simple as it looks at first glance! Nope, of course, it’s not in Gazprom’s interests, but the EU is interested so that no one kills competitors while using their natural advantages! Because, having eliminated competitors, Gazprom will become a monopolist and then prices will rise sharply!
                        I mentioned the Intel-AMD case to you! Two leading companies in the field of processor technology! American wallpaper! Technology leaders unparalleled in the world! Compete mercilessly! And then ... a specific US law obliged them to "exchange technologies, upon request from a competitor"! AMD almost always caught up, Intel was ahead! And in compliance with the law, Intel shared technology with its most dangerous competitor! 4-5 years ago, AMD made a breakthrough and took the lead! Then Intel requested and received the technology it needed! The question arises, why did the American lawmakers come up with such a law? And what to maintain competition! The competition must go on continuously! If someone starts to be late, you need to help him! Nobody has to win a monopoly position!
                        Those from the EU in the energy sector.
                        I honestly generally oppose gas supplies to Europe.

                        I honestly too! Because only in this way Europe will mobilize and begin to develop the technologies of those who do not need from the angles. They have a future!
                        ... but only if Europe pursues an adequate policy towards Russia, such as lifting sanctions, ending Russophobic hysteria, etc.

                        I am also against sanctions, but taking someone else's territory, no matter how it is motivated, is not acceptable! As for Russophobia, in rus-media it seems that they are hardly going to the west only with tm. If we look in the same rus-media, there is no less or even more Western phobia! There are also interested in maintaining tension in the West and in the Russian Federation.
                        Russia is able to produce everything it needs and not depend on Europe and the USA. And all that China itself cannot produce. It is necessary to strive for this.

                        Not able to. Otherwise, we would not want to lift the sanctions. You can buy a lot from China, but isolating yourself from the west of the Russian Federation puts China in a monopoly position. It turns out unhealthy, one day comes around ... You need to strive for a balanced relationship with everyone. How is China! Everywhere he takes what he needs and develops by leaps and bounds!
                      10. 0
                        17 December 2019 03: 46
                        By the way, China has the richest shale gas reserves in the world!

                        I’m just a geologist by profession and I know more about shale than many experts. In Europe, and especially in Poland and Ukraine, there was great excitement over shale gas. They drilled, tried to mine, then curled up and left. In Russia, the world's largest shale suites. Many also have trillions of oil and gas. In theory. But in practice, it’s not very successful yet. And most likely it will not work.
                        "By eliminating competitors, Gazprom will become a monopoly and then prices will rise sharply!"
                        Gazprom has about a third of the European market. and there were no intentions to increase it. And even this third was obtained only due to the depletion of deposits in the North Sea and Holland and the German policy of abandoning nuclear power plants and coal. That is, the Europeans themselves were very interested in expanding the Gazprom market. And now, even in the heyday of LNG, it’s ridiculous to talk about monopoly.
                        but taking someone else's territory, no matter how it is motivated, is not acceptable!
                        This is presented by the West as "taking someone else's territory." Remember better the history of the early 20th century and the struggle of Bulgaria for Macedonia. If, in the end, Macedonia became part of Bulgaria, would you also think that you were "taking someone else's territory"?
                        but isolated from the west of the Russian Federation
                        I'm not saying that you need to isolate yourself. But work only on equal terms. If there is sanction from someone’s side, then it means you can’t deal with this side. You will not communicate with a person who does not give you a hand.
                        Not able to. Otherwise, we would not want to lift the sanctions.
                        The lifting of sanctions is a very controversial issue with us. And the further the less we want the lifting of sanctions. The worst was in the early years. Now we have learned a lot to do ourselves. We even got cheese. Recently, he compared the Kostroma farmer with that brought from Holland. Ours turned out to be better. Removing sanctions is simply a matter of normal relations, which are always better than hostility.
                      11. 0
                        17 December 2019 10: 06
                        I’m just a geologist by profession and I know more about shale than many experts.

                        good Then you probably know that technology for the extraction of oil shale is also developing! But here the matter has another aspect! The earth can no longer withstand the load! The planet is groaning, we are drilling, we are pumping everything insatiable from it! Climatic disasters are coming! I am convinced that the energy future of mankind is in the technologies of renewable energy sources and in thermonuclear fusion.
                        Gazprom has about a third of the European market ... and there were no intentions to increase it ... That is, the Europeans themselves were very interested in expanding the Gazprom market. And now, even in the heyday of LNG, it’s ridiculous to talk about monopoly.

                        The rules are the same for everyone who transports gas through pipelines! ! The policy of equalizing opportunities is seen in the prohibition for suppliers to own pipes, because LNG is brought only to the terminals. Like "your gas, please go to our borders, and then we'll figure it out ourselves!" But the proliferation of bans on the sea side, clearly directed against Gazprom, I agree with you here.
                        This is presented by the West as "taking someone else's territory." Remember better the history of the early 20th century and the struggle of Bulgaria for Macedonia. If, in the end, Macedonia became part of Bulgaria, would you also think that you were "taking someone else's territory"?

                        The comparison is not entirely correct! After all, Macedonia was supposed to join Bulgaria under the treaties! I endorse the San Stefano p. since 1878 and in contracts with Serbia -1912, according to which Russia was a guarantor! In the legal sense, the case with the Crimea and Macedonia is completely different!
                        I'm not saying that you need to isolate yourself. But work only on equal terms. If there is sanction from someone’s side, then it means you can’t deal with this side. You will not communicate with a person who does not give you a hand.

                        In politics, no one has canceled these tricks! If you are considered dangerous, then it is understandable that they will use all the opportunities for counteraction. On your side, too! It turns out in a vicious circle! Bulgaria stands for peaceful dialogue and negotiations!
                        The lifting of sanctions is a very controversial issue with us. And the further the less we want the lifting of sanctions. The worst was in the early years. Now we have learned a lot to do ourselves. We even got cheese. Recently, he compared the Kostroma farmer with that brought from Holland. Ours turned out to be better. Removing sanctions is simply a matter of normal relations, which are always better than hostility.

                        Import substitution creaks ... I am in the know, as I often visit the Russian Federation. Sanctions would be on the creep of the Russian Federation if the country's leadership took effective measures to restore their production. In practice, it turns out completely different. Minor successes, more propaganda than real effect. I read this morning that the RF has again increased its investment in American debt bonds! Weird! The question arises - how nationally oriented is the ruling class, given the provisions that huge money flows from the Russian Federation in offshore? A country so heavily dependent on export harsh conditions cannot be independent. This is a fact that I think you understand very well! hi
                      12. 0
                        17 December 2019 11: 47
                        The earth can no longer withstand the load! The planet is groaning, we are drilling, we are pumping everything insatiable from it! Climatic disasters are coming!
                        The case of Greta Tunberg clearly does not stand still !. Since, with the help of liberal ideology, transnational capital began to strangle the national interests of countries poorly, the reserve infantry was introduced into the battle in the form of ecologists. Led by Field Marshal Greta.
                        The comparison is not entirely correct! In the legal sense, the case with the Crimea and Macedonia is completely different!

                        Yes of course! Kosovo and the bombing of the civilian population of Belgrade is good and correct, but Crimea is ay-ay-ay, aggression and a threat to the "world community"!
                        You do not know the history of the entry of Crimea into Ukraine. Crimea was included in Ukraine with huge violations, even under Soviet law. When Ukraine left the USSR, Crimea had the right to hold a referendum and secede from Ukraine, but Ukraine did not allow this to happen. And then Ukraine altogether abolished the status of Crimea’s autonomy, which Crimea has always had. In general, the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was among the founders of the USSR as well as Ukraine, and the signature of the representatives of the Crimea is under the union treaty of the USSR.
                        But in the West this is of no interest to anyone.
                        Only one thing is good - the further, the less interested Russia is in the opinion of the "world community." As long as Russia exists, Crimea will not come back. And we are already used to the aggression of the West. The response to Western aggression has always been concrete. Warsaw was taken many times, Berlin was taken 2 times, Paris was taken once. Europe has already tried many times to break Russia.
                      13. 0
                        17 December 2019 12: 41
                        The case of Greta Tunberg clearly does not stand still !. Since, with the help of liberal ideology, transnational capital began to strangle the national interests of countries poorly, the reserve infantry was introduced into the battle in the form of ecologists ...

                        The fact that interested people use environmentalists and people like Gr. Tunberg for their selfish purposes does not cancel the fact of the existence of a problem with the depletion of the Earth's recreational abilities! It’s impossible to continue like this! Planet living organism! Starts to respond! Something needs to be done with this, otherwise we will all end up in hell!
                        Yes of course! Kosovo and the bombing of the civilian population of Belgrade is good and correct, but Crimea is ay-ay-ay, aggression and a threat to the "world community"!

                        The history of the Yugoslav wars is not as straightforward as you think. We live here on the Balkans and, in any case, know her better.
                        You do not know the history of the entry of Crimea into Ukraine. Crimea was included in Ukraine with huge violations ... Crimea had the right to hold a referendum and withdraw ... The Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was originally originally .... the signature of the representatives of the Crimea is under an allied treaty of formation of the USSR.

                        I know the history of Crimea from ancient times. I deliberately do not want to enter into disputes on that topic, since for you it is connected with emotions. I have my own opinion. It differs from the opinions of countries in this conflict.
                        Only one thing is good - the further, the less interested Russia is in the opinion of the "world community." As long as Russia exists, Crimea will not come back. And we are already used to the aggression of the West. The response to the aggression of the West ... Europe has tried many times to break Russia.

                        I am sure that Russia will not return Crimea. I also think that Russia cannot be broken. In my views, I proceed from these postulates. About aggression, but whoever didn’t attack anyone, who didn’t take anything! The whole history of the world is a series of wars! I think after some time our civilization will be forced switch to another way of non-conflict problem solving.
                      14. 0
                        18 December 2019 02: 59
                        Something needs to be done with this, otherwise we will all end up in hell!
                        There is nothing to be done with this, since for this it is necessary to force America to abandon their consumption and drive China and India into the Stone Age, which they most likely will not agree to. And so indignant and propaganda to no avail. People attending rallies in London or Berlin about the environment look ridiculous.
                        The history of the Yugoslav wars is not as straightforward as you think.
                        Everything is clear there. Yugoslavia was destroyed by nationalism and, first of all, Serbian nationalism. Although the rest were also good especially the Croats and Bosnians. Nationalism always destroys imperial-type states involving many nationalities. This is known since Byzantium. But this is not a reason to intervene and bomb civilians. By analogy, Russia must bomb Kiev so that the Ukrainian Nazis stop destroying the civilian population of Donbass.
                      15. 0
                        18 December 2019 10: 02
                        Something needs to be done with this, otherwise we will all end up in hell!

                        There is nothing to be done with this, since for this it is necessary to force America to abandon their consumption and drive China and India into the Stone Age, which they most likely will not agree to.

                        Force the Earth! It will turn into stone age! Very soon! Or we’ll start developing environmental technologies at an accelerated pace! Pure (conditionally) energy on the planet is 1000000 times more!
                        Everything is clear there. Yugoslavia was destroyed by nationalism and, first of all, Serbian nationalism. Although the rest were also good especially the Croats and Bosnians. Nationalism always destroys imperial-type states involving many nationalities.

                        Yes. The main reason, this is Great Serbs, and among others, nationalisms. Yugoslavia turned out to be a patchwork "empire".
                        But this is not a reason to intervene and bomb civilians. By analogy, Russia must bomb Kiev so that the Ukrainian Nazis stop destroying the civilian population of Donbass.

                        Forcing peace! Otherwise, they would still be cut! Bombed military facilities and related. TV system power supply and so on in wartime are such objects. With military action, unfortunately, the inevitable loss of civilian life. Chechnya, Afghanistan, Syria ... In the Donbass there is an injured civilian population as a result of shelling from both sides of the front!
                      16. 0
                        18 December 2019 23: 16
                        Bombed military facilities and related. TV system power supply and so on in wartime are such objects.
                        Bombs and infrastructure were bombed. Serbia was driven into the Stone Age. Civilians were not particularly paid attention to. Well, here, of course, Russia is to blame. If Putin didn’t dare to do anything like that then. And Yeltsin's place in hell. Even the anti-aircraft systems to the Serbs did not put a bastard.
                        Forcing peace!
                        Wow, how weirdly sometimes formulate the requirement for the Serbs to get out of Kosovo.
                        In Donbass, there is an injured civilian population as a result of shelling from both sides of the front!
                        But there is a nuance. On both sides of the front in Donbass, people voted for secession from Ukraine. From the point of view of the DPR and LPR, "their own" live behind the front line. And therefore, on the one hand, there were peaceful civilians, and on the other, thousands, including more than 200 children. DNR and LNR are forced to very carefully return fire. And the Ukrainian Nazis understandably do not care about the civilian population of Donbass.
                      17. 0
                        18 December 2019 23: 55
                        Bombs and infrastructure were bombed. Serbia was driven into the Stone Age. Civilians were not particularly paid attention to. Well, here, of course, Russia is to blame ...

                        In all conflicts, these are military objectives. And in all conflicts civilians die. The same Serbs did not particularly stand on ceremony with the civilians of Horvantia, BiH and Kossovo. The GDP itself has recently in fact recognized the genocide in Srebrenica.
                        Forcing peace! Wow, how weirdly sometimes formulate the requirement for the Serbs to get out of Kosovo.

                        Yes, they are historically aliens there too. In fact, the territory belongs to the local population! Whose Crimea? Knowing your addictions to the Serbs, I do not want to unwind this topic here.
                        But there is a nuance. On both sides of the front in Donbass, people voted for secession from Ukraine. From the point of view of the DPR and LPR, "their own" live behind the front line. ..

                        But there is a nuance. From the point of view of Ukraine, "friends" live behind the front lines too! So, there are at least 2 points of view. The entire information space of the Russian Federation and Ukraine is bursting with emotion and disputes. And I wish there was peace as soon as possible! hi
                      18. 0
                        19 December 2019 02: 16
                        Knowing your addictions to the Serbs, I do not want to unwind this topic here.

                        Yes, I treat the Serbs well. But to radical nationalism is bad. So I'm just really sorry that the Serbs fell into this trap of nationalism in the late 80s. However, as well as the Ukrainians now. And I'm glad that Russia managed to avoid such a turn in its history.
                        From the point of view of Ukraine, "friends" live behind the front lines too!
                        And here is the main mistake. Formally, in words, the leadership considers them to be citizens of Ukraine. But at the same time, it declared a blockade on them. Including economic. And in fact, the Ukrainian leadership does not consider the people in Donbass to be any "own". And Bandera Nazis directly declare that they are fighting for territory. And people have to go to Russia or die. Just like the Serbs in Kosovo. It turns out that Russia still has many reasons to start bombing Kiev.
                      19. 0
                        19 December 2019 10: 38
                        Yes, I treat the Serbs well. But to radical nationalism is bad.

                        I, too! Yes
                        As for the events in Ukraine, there is so much propaganda with the aim of inciting hatred! The main criminals, I think the propagandists! On both sides!
                        As for Kosovo, the Kosovars have long ago totally "defeated" the Serbs demographically. My thesis that the population owns the territory is confirmed. In fact, the removal of Kosovo saved the whole of Serbia from "Kosovarization". Demography is a fatal factor, more important than all others combined! You can have 100 thousand. YaB, but if the titular nation is lurking, they are useless.
                      20. 0
                        19 December 2019 22: 45
                        The main criminals, I think the propagandists!
                        No. The main culprits are the Ukrainian nationalists-Bandera, who carry out the forcible Ukrainization of the Russian population. At least half of the territory of present-day Ukraine was taken by Russia from the Turks in the 18th century. (it was a "wild field" without population due to the raids and thefts into slavery of the Slavs) and annexed to Ukraine by the tsars and Lenin and Stalin. This territory was settled by Russians and Ukrainians. 80% of the population of Ukraine speaks Russian. And at this time in Ukraine all Russian schools were finally destroyed.
                        This is cultural genocide and nothing else. What this leads to can be seen in the example of Macedonia, which now itself does not seek to unite with Bulgaria. Although 100 years ago, I would love to do it and even fight for it.
                        I really do not want this to happen to the South and East of Ukraine. Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and even Kiev are essentially Russian cities. While the Russians. But without Russian schools. This is normal?
                      21. +1
                        20 December 2019 00: 26
                        No. The main culprits are Ukrainian nationalists, Bandera, who carry out the forcible Ukrainization of the Russian population.

                        From the side you can clearly see that aggressive propaganda is coming from both sides! Each of them brings a bunch of arguments! Who is right? In my humble opinion, side wallpapers do it on purpose! By the way, the reaction of Russians and Ukrainians is the same, which confirms the suspicion that you are essentially two branches of the same people.
                        This is cultural genocide and nothing else. What this leads to can be seen in the example of Macedonia, which now itself does not seek to unite with Bulgaria. Although 100 years ago, I would love to do it and even fight for it.

                        I'll give you one link. The opinion of the Greek, in which he makes a parallel in the situations of Macedonia-Bulgaria, Ukraine-Russia. The author pointed out the difference in approaches very accurately! Read it, I think you will be interested! It seems to me that it is precisely because of the inadequacy of the Ross. propaganda Russian Ukrainians made up the bones of the National Battalions. There is such a strange thing as "Russian Bandera". Some of Russia's actions, in fact, helped to strengthen the Ukrainian national identity. Let us not forget that language and nation are different things.
                        https://hurtmann.livejournal.com/841715.html
                        Another link to an interview with a prominent Bulgarian historian, prof. Rumyany Mikhneva.
                        https://istorex.ru/page/mikhneva_r_v_etoy_pamyati_net_agressii_no_est_bol_i_pechal_iz-za_neznaniya_gde_nakhodyatsya_mogili_tvoikh_predkov
                        She expresses one interesting t.sk. exoteric camp! Since Russia / USSR has a lot of fault, in the case of Macedonia, Prof. Mikhneva believes that Russia received karmic punishment - Ukraine. And only after this sin is recognized, Ukraine will return to Russia, and Macedonia to Bulgaria. I will not judge whether she is right, but the truth is that the parallel is visible! And what, Macedonia will return to Bulgaria, I have no doubt!
                      22. 0
                        21 December 2019 05: 03
                        From the side you can clearly see that aggressive propaganda is coming from both sides!
                        From Ukraine there is not only propaganda. There is also action. The use of the army against civilians and shelling of the inhabitants of Donbass for five years. The ban on the Russian language in many areas of the country's life and the ban on Russian schools. Thousands of Ukrainian citizens with pro-Russian views are still in prison. Only for views, not for actions. From Russia so far only propaganda unfortunately.
                        You may not know how it all started. It all started when the next! the day after the flight of Yanukovych, the Ukrainian parliament is its first !!! by decree after the "victory of the Maidan" he canceled the law on languages, putting the Russian language under a virtual ban. And then the South and East could not stand it and in fact rebelled. Russia defended Crimea, while the rest of the regions were simply crushed by Bandera and intimidated with intimidation actions. Donbass could not intimidate and set in motion the army. What kind of propaganda is there. And what about Russia? Until now, he expresses "regret" and signs contracts for gas transit.
                        There is such a strange thing as "Russian Bandera".
                        Nazism is contagious. They do not consider themselves to be either Bandera or Russian. They imagined themselves to be "Aryans" - supermen. This is a little different.
                        Since Russia / USSR has a lot of fault, in the case of Macedonia, Prof. Mikhneva believes that Russia received karmic punishment - Ukraine.
                        This is perhaps too much. Like any other state with a long history, very weak rulers sometimes come to power. And then everyone suffers. And the country itself with such a ruler and neighbors and allies. Yes, Russia did not fulfill what it promised then, but this cannot be called frank betrayal. This is a big mistake of the then power in Russia and a missed opportunity to form a lasting alliance of the Orthodox Slavs of the Balkans and Russia. Which is still adversely affecting Russia itself as well. Well, the weak Tsar Nicholas II did not fulfill his promise. And not the fact that the Serbs would then listen. It was then necessary to exert enormous pressure on them to liberate Macedonia. Maybe it would work out and maybe not.
                        If this is karma, then I am scared to imagine what Russia expects after what it did in the 80s - 90s, thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Compared to this, Macedonia is a trifle. I mean, I understand that for the Bulgarians this is not a trifle at all, but in the context of the degree of non-fulfillment of obligations, Russia has worse cases.
            4. -4
              12 December 2019 10: 46
              Quote: pytar
              I personally would like to see in our markets, Russian goods! High-quality, competitive, high-tech! But such completely nou!

              gas- overlap at the entrance to the house. And, lo and behold! -See and even-feel! Yes
          2. -7
            11 December 2019 10: 59
            All subsoil replenished - the descendants of another 1000 generations will be enough.
            1. +8
              11 December 2019 11: 29
              I agree. The main thing is that the descendants would be connected to the pipe.
              So far, we are only looking at the pipe passing along the edge of the site.
              Connect for 320 thousand rubles.
              Perhaps the descendants will collect this amount.

              I wonder how many houses can be connected to the "national heritage" for Miller's annual salary?
              And we also wanted to connect the main recipient of Rosneft to this. Perhaps all Russians could live with gas.

              In the meantime, we will think that our descendants will have gas.

              First, the Bulgarians, Ukrainians, Chinese, Serbs, Greeks and other foreigners need to be provided, and let the Russians vote for democracy.
              1. -4
                11 December 2019 11: 41
                You cannot extend gas to all settlements throughout Russia - an extremely expensive pleasure. We need autonomous systems: sewers, hot and cold water and heat in remote villages and cities.
              2. +1
                11 December 2019 12: 47
                such a market value of a tie-in, with water the same prices, and it’s worth throwing a wire to an electric pole at least
              3. +2
                11 December 2019 19: 48
                Quite expensive to connect to you. Something was done administratively wrong. If it’s right, to submit a sufficient number of individual applications - everything will be state-owned and the connection itself will be 170 thousand and the total pipe 170 thousand (tentatively) - in the reverse, of course, order. Have you paid for the pipe already? And if the order is collective, on behalf of SNT - here the owner of the hub will be SNT and in total they will drive for a lemon. Personally, I can’t afford it, but someone, maybe a drum, and someone, maybe, will get a kickback. So far obscurity. But in villages all this seems cheaper if there is a pipe nearby. But in general, of course - disgrace in all cases, including and rural. A pipe nearby is not everywhere. Initiative comrades bury gas tanks in the areas - also quite expensive and aperiodic headache.
            2. +4
              11 December 2019 11: 31
              Quote: Vadim237
              All subsoil replenished - to descendants another 1000 generations will be enough.

              Let's get sick? It’s overwhelming with your head! Need to get rid of the unnecessary burden faster.
              1. -4
                11 December 2019 11: 36
                For you, this is probably such a heavy burden - to pump gas and oil every day for the damned bourgeoisie with blood and sweat.
          3. +3
            12 December 2019 12: 09
            Quote: Stas157
            But the lost ones rest (with feet and hands) and do not understand this.
            recalls an English fairy tale where a rabbit asked a fox not to throw him in a thorn bush. bully
          4. 0
            13 December 2019 16: 04
            And only the Kremlin does not give up! Persuades, threatens and even puts ultimatums,

            You have an understanding of business, at the hairdresser's level. When the question price is a billion, then there are no friends. There are endless courts in the west, everyone is suing everyone, for licenses, for rights, intel, apl, samsung, etc. Not so long ago, Volkswagen was fined in court.
        2. -6
          11 December 2019 09: 41
          Quote: kjhg
          Quote: Civil
          Well, there are no more problems in the country, how to persuade the Bulgarians who "threw" Russia more than once.

          It surprises me too. People are seriously worried about the fate of the Turkish stream, Nord Stream-2, Ukrainian transit, and more. At the same time, our government, with its president and edrosia, treats this very people worse than it does its pets. People, I appeal to you. You will not see a single penny from these flows. These thieves will continue to deceive you, rob and use you for personal enrichment. We all need to think seriously about this general situation. How to make socially oriented people come to power. The current thieves billionaires will not give up power without a fight. This must be recognized for everyone. Are we ready to give them a fight? For myself, I personally answered this question a long time ago. It's time to answer you.

          Edrosia? Svidomo away on the censor no!
        3. +5
          11 December 2019 09: 45
          Quote: kjhg
          For myself, I personally answered this question a long time ago. It's time to answer you.

          And if you push with your shoulder, and if we push together ..
          1. +1
            11 December 2019 15: 34
            Quote: Stroporez
            And if you push with your shoulder, and if we push together ..

            That cozy sofa will fall apart. laughing
            1. +1
              12 December 2019 16: 10
              Quote: Alexey RA
              That cozy sofa will fall apart.

              In this story, the worst thing is that I’m swimming on the same couch with you .. But I would like to moor ..
        4. +3
          11 December 2019 10: 07
          We are Serbo brothers, and these, Bulgarians, we have long been no longer brothers!
          1. -2
            11 December 2019 10: 59
            Brothers - for business.
        5. -1
          11 December 2019 12: 10
          In which country are socially oriented officials and authorities?
          1. +2
            11 December 2019 12: 16
            In Sweden, Finland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland ... Continue or is it enough for now?
            1. 0
              11 December 2019 14: 08
              Here is no need to la-la! The German authorities threw their citizens out of social housing in order to settle migrants all the time. And this is complete in all countries of the "free world".
              1. +3
                11 December 2019 15: 39
                Do not look at jelly and evening dumbass ... well, then you will not be so cruelly deceived.
                1. 0
                  11 December 2019 15: 51
                  Looking to the West, you always wear pink glasses.
        6. -2
          11 December 2019 22: 26
          Quote: kjhg
          People, I appeal to you. You will not see a single penny from these flows.

          What kind of money are you talking about? If about taxes, then they go to the budget from which many who receive pensions and salaries, etc.
          Something extra? Buy shares, you will have money.
        7. -1
          12 December 2019 09: 55
          Well, where are you? I don’t see on the streets and squares of the country ... we all clap the masters on the keyboard, but I don’t really want to get a baton on the ridge, right?
          1. -1
            12 December 2019 10: 10
            Quote: pavlentiy
            Well, where are you?

            Everywhere! In every city, on every street, in every house.
            Quote: pavlentiy
            I don’t see on the streets and squares of the country ..

            Until 1917, too, there were not many people in the squares. But everyone felt that this could not continue. People were ready for rebellion and were waiting only for a signal spark. And such flames flared up that all your bourgeoisie grabbed their heads and wallets, but it was too late.
            1. -3
              12 December 2019 11: 21
              You drink valerianchki, and tell your grandchildren about "the spark will ignite". Now there is no protest movement in the country, except for the stupid bulk
              1. -1
                12 December 2019 11: 28
                Quote: pavlentiy
                tell your grandchildren about "a spark will light up the flame"
                I will definitely tell you. Don’t worry, they are both excellent pupils of my studies, as was their father and grandfather.
                Quote: pavlentiy
                Now there is no protest movement in the country

                "You cannot show to the blind, you cannot tell the deaf."
                Quote: pavlentiy
                except stupid heaped

                Something tells me that in comparing intelligences, the alignment will not be in your favor. By the way, who do you work with?
                1. -1
                  12 December 2019 11: 49
                  The arguments you have are one hundred percent. I really liked the blind man. I work as an engineer at an airline. Although what's the connection, hell knows.
            2. -1
              13 December 2019 15: 32
              Until 1917, too, there were not many people in the squares. But everyone felt that this could not continue.
              .
              Nonsense, it’s not that they didn’t feel, the thing was that because of the war there was an economic crisis, Peter was inundated with thousands of deserters, unpaid wages, lack of bread, etc. the state as an ordered structure disintegrated, chaos ensued.
              And today there is plenty of bread, salaries are paid, the army has not fled, there are state reserves, the state is strong and no flames will flare up.
              RI did not ruin the people, but external phosmazhory circumstances.
        8. +3
          12 December 2019 11: 31
          I don't understand your hysterical pathos. You are either a provocateur or an extremely stupid person. The country lives under capitalism, it does not happen otherwise. Calm down, "socially oriented people" will not come to power. It doesn't work that way. Even greater plunderers and exploiters will come.
          About the fight ... whose blood are you going to shed? Not mine, for sure. Ours? Go to the forest, you can skip.
        9. -1
          13 December 2019 15: 11
          How to make socially oriented people come to power.

          If we turn to history, then the most powerful, immoral and vile personalities always come to power.
          Your utopian dreams are impossible.
          Are we ready to give them a fight?

          And what are you going to partisan through the forests? And defeat the oligarch who will hire a private group? What do you smoke?
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    2. +4
      11 December 2019 09: 56
      Comrade Tsar Boris does not have a single drop of Bulgarian blood. Boris III (Boris Clement Robert Maria Pius Stanislav Sakskoburggotsky), ego full of title. Franco-German, of Austrian origin. In the photo, they greet Hitler, but Boris did not send a single Bulgarian soldier on the Eastern Front. By the way, there are different photos, for example with Hitler and Molotov ... hi
      1. +3
        11 December 2019 10: 49
        Quote: pytar
        In the photo, they greet Hitler, but Boris did not send a single Bulgarian soldier on the Eastern Front.

        For this and thanks to the Bulgarian people.
        1. +4
          11 December 2019 14: 09
          Quote: tihonmarine
          For this and thanks to the Bulgarian people.

          For participating in the war on the side of Hitler?
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    4. +4
      11 December 2019 10: 39
      Quote: Comrade
      Something similar was already in history.

      And it was, but Vlasov was.
      1. +4
        11 December 2019 14: 05
        Vlasov is a traitor. Officially.
        And Bulgaria is already preparing for the third war against Russia. So it goes...
        1. +1
          11 December 2019 17: 27
          And Bulgaria is already preparing for the third war against Russia. So it goes...

          We lost the third together. Although they were preparing very thoroughly and ... costly ... 12-15% of the GDP of the People’s Republic of Bulgaria went for military purposes! Now we barely reach 2%. Not at all like preparing for war. So it goes...
      2. +3
        11 December 2019 15: 37
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And it was, but Vlasov was.

        It was. But the merits of Vlasov were appreciated.
  2. +14
    11 December 2019 06: 03
    Here everything rested against us in this pipe. Only from her and the budget and development, well, or a significant part. Everything else — mechanical engineering, electronics, and much more for the development of the country does not seem to exist .. With what fright we should depend on Western hotels, offering them gas for dollars, and then buying agricultural machinery products for those dollars, for example (although we have production facilities in Voronezh and Belgorod)
    1. +5
      11 December 2019 06: 26
      What a fright we should depend on Western Wishlist, offering them gas for dollars

      Gold in exchange for a beads ... this axiom has not lost its relevance now.
      You won’t get warm with an iPhone in a 30 degree frost ... do you need gas ... how do metallurgists produce metal, for example? ... again, gas and coal are needed without ... no energy resources will develop.
      1. +9
        11 December 2019 07: 05
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        With an iPhone in a 30 degree frost you won’t get warm ...

        You need to sell processed products and not raw materials like some kind of Gabon.
        on the development of industry and technology, press and not weld pipes to Siberia.
        1. -2
          11 December 2019 12: 04
          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          You need to sell processed products and not raw materials like some kind of Gabon.

          “Than to consider the gossips to work, Isn't it better to turn on yourself, godfather?” (with)
          bully
          Israel will supply Egypt with 85 billion cubic meters of gas in 15 years. In parallel with the Egyptian contract, Israel agreed with Jordan on the supply of gas for ten billion dollars. Israel will supply gas to Europe. To do this, it is planned to build the world's largest pipe - 2100 kilometers. The Americans and the European Union are ready to participate in financing a grandiose project. From the coastal zone of Israel, a gas pipeline will be laid to Cyprus, and from there to Greece, and then to Italy. After that, it will be possible to supply gas to the countries of Western and Central Europe.
          1. +1
            11 December 2019 18: 12
            Quote: Dym71
            “Than to consider the gossips to work, Isn't it better to turn on yourself, godfather?” (with)

            look:

            Top Ten Israeli Export Leaders:

            Gems, precious metals: US $ 14.9 billion (24% of total exports)
            Electrical machinery, equipment: $ 8.5 billion (13.8%)
            Pharmaceuticals: $ 5.6 billion (9.1%)
            Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $ 5.3 billion (8.6%)
            Machinery including computers: $ 4.9 billion (7.8%)
            Other chemical goods: $ 3.3 billion (5.3%)
            Plastics, plastic articles: $ 2.9 billion (4.7%)
            Aircraft, spacecraft: $ 2.2 billion (3.6%)
            Mineral fuels including oil: $ 1.4 billion (2.3%)
            Organic chemicals: $ 1.4 billion (2.3%)
            1. -1
              11 December 2019 20: 22
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              look:
              Top Ten Israeli Export Leaders:

              continue to watch:
              Israel's top 10 exports accounted for 81.5% of the overall value of its global shipments. - that is, in fact, these top 10 are the lion's share of Israel's exports, including:
              Mineral fuels including oil was the fastest-growing among the top 10 export categories, up by 59.5% from 2017 to 2018.
              - this is growth, this is what I understand the industrial power is growing! love
              From the more granular four-digit Harmonized Tariff System code level, Israel's most valuable exported goods were unmounted diamonds (23.2% of total)
              - unmounted? Figas, what a discovery! wassat
              However, it seems to me that everything that you sell unprocessed carries a much greater gesheft than we poor fellows shod in bast shoes! bully
              1. +1
                11 December 2019 20: 29
                Quote: Dym71
                Mineral fuels including oil was the fastest-growing among the top 10 export categories, up by 59.5% from 2017 to 2018. - this is growth, this is what I understand the industrial power is growing!

                Mineral fuels including oil is but 2.3% from all exports.
                as Comrade Stalin to say that this industry has grown by 59,5% is a "game of numbers"
                love
                1. -1
                  11 December 2019 20: 34
                  Quote: Maki Avellievich
                  Mineral fuels including oil is only 2.3% of total exports.

                  So is the figure of rapid growth in one year of everything, whether there will still be, you are our rough diamond! fellow
                  1. 0
                    11 December 2019 20: 37
                    Quote: Dym71
                    So is the figure of rapid growth in one year of everything, whether there will still be, you are our rough diamond!

                    Poland is so intimate.
                    about "whether there will still be" so we will see. Until then, don't be confused by the facts.

                    ps on the topic of "rapid growth". if I had one seed and I found another, then the number of seeds increased by 100%! is also quite rapid growth.

                    PPP according to the Ministry of Finance, oil and gas oil and gas revenues of Russia at the moment are pulling 46%. I understand that.

                    https://www.minfin.ru/ru/statistics/fedbud/execute/?id_65=80041-yezhegodnaya_informatsiya_ob_ispolnenii_federalnogo_byudzhetadannye_s_1_yanvarya_2006_g.#
                    1. -1
                      11 December 2019 21: 36
                      Quote: Maki Avellievich
                      for now, don't let the facts confuse yourself.

                      Do not throw eyebrows on your forehead, I know for yourself, but you yourself think that you want bully
              2. +1
                11 December 2019 20: 34
                Quote: Dym71
                From the more granular four-digit Harmonized Tariff System code level, Israel's most valuable exported goods were unmounted diamonds (23.2% of total)
                - unmounted? Figas, what a discovery!
                However, it seems to me that everything that you sell unprocessed carries a much greater gesheft than we poor fellows shod in bast shoes!

                don’t you think that we are mining diamonds in our Negev desert?
                1. -1
                  11 December 2019 20: 53
                  Quote: Maki Avellievich
                  don’t you think that we are mining diamonds in our Negev desert?

                  What are you, how can you, of course you produce them, you are a state of industrial production, which defeated everyone and everything! But not only! wink
                  Take an interest in the activities of the Shefa Yamim company in the Carmel region, they are digging land there using De Beers cards, but the Israelis themselves, as industrialists, naturally have no boom boom in geology (it’s understandable: started a swivel, well, and look as you want, you will find a bald devil! laughing ) then I had to drag overseas. Yes
                  1. +2
                    11 December 2019 20: 57
                    Quote: Dym71
                    What are you, how can you, of course you produce them, you are a state of industrial production that defeated everyone and everything! How long?

                    I think you are putting too much emotion into the dialogue to replace arguments.
                    about diamonds, resale is not prey.
                    about the search for oil, but dig. I personally hope that they will not find it because I believe that oil will do more harm than good to the economy.
                    1. -1
                      11 December 2019 21: 01
                      Quote: Maki Avellievich
                      I think you are putting too much emotion into the dialogue to replace arguments.

                      So you, dear, when you bring statistics, hold on to something, but it’s not your emotions, it’s coming from the mind, we understand Yes
                      1. +1
                        11 December 2019 21: 07
                        Quote: Dym71
                        So you, dear, when you bring statistics, hold on to something, but it’s not your emotions, it’s coming from the mind, we understand

                        we have such a problem. on the one hand, the biggest idiots are found on the other, crazy geniuses. that's how we live.
        2. 0
          11 December 2019 14: 07
          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          You need to sell processed products and not raw materials like some kind of Gabon.

          Is raw gas?
          How interesting....
          1. 0
            11 December 2019 20: 32
            Quote: Spade
            Is raw gas?
            How interesting....

            gas, furs, hemp, oil. all one.
            1. -1
              11 December 2019 20: 36
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              gas, furs, hemp, oil. all one.

              Diamonds, Gold wink
            2. +2
              11 December 2019 20: 52
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              hemp

              How to say .... Gas for the most part is not raw materials, but the final product. Moreover, a product of high-tech production.
              1. 0
                11 December 2019 20: 53
                Quote: Spade
                How to say .... Gas for the most part is not raw materials, but the final product.

                I would say side.
                1. +1
                  11 December 2019 20: 55
                  Quote: Maki Avellievich
                  I would say side.

                  Again, for the most part, the product is not at all by-product. The share of APG in the total volume is very small.
                  1. 0
                    11 December 2019 21: 03
                    Quote: Spade
                    Again, for the most part, the product is not at all by-product. The share of APG in the total volume is very small.

                    perhaps. I'm not at all special on the topic, but I came across this:
                    "According to the calculations of the Ministry of Natural Resources, due to APG flaring, Russia annually lost about 139,2 billion rubles / year"

                    perhaps it’s possible to make good money if you invest in infrastructure, of course.
                    1. +4
                      11 December 2019 21: 11
                      Quote: Maki Avellievich
                      perhaps it’s possible to make good money if you invest in infrastructure, of course.

                      This is raw material, is it possible to invest in it?

                      We would rather use the "high-tech" press to rivet aluminum spoons from the "low-tech" worked-out raw materials brought from abroad with the presses received from Germany as reparations. But "not like Gabon"

                      This is one of the Great Myths about backward Russia. The myth that getting "raw" to sell is as easy as ripping a roll off the tree it grows on.
              2. -2
                12 December 2019 11: 12
                Quote: Spade
                How to say .... Gas for the most part is not raw materials, but the final product. Moreover, the product high-tech production.

                Golden words!
                Moreover, in our time and in our conditions, this is all the more relevant.

                But many, unfortunately, do not notice (or do not want, maybe?)
              3. +1
                13 December 2019 16: 41
                Gas for the most part is not raw material, but the final product.

                Oh really . And what is plastic made of, but has petroleum chemistry heard of this?
                The keyboard you use is the end product of petrochemicals and it costs hundreds of times more than raw materials. Here is the secret of the wealth of Western countries.
      2. +1
        11 December 2019 08: 35
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Gold in exchange for a beads ... this axiom has not lost its relevance now.

        And what if we are not all right with the "beads"? In any case, it is necessary to replenish the money-box, and plus to this to carry out long agreements with central Europe, where Ukraine has become a stick in a wheel.
        1. -5
          11 December 2019 09: 18
          Quote: Den717

          And what if we are not all right with the "beads"?

          Why do we have millions of people below the poverty line? What is the profit to the people from trading these beads?
          1. +2
            11 December 2019 09: 27
            Quote: Stas157
            What is the profit to the people from trading these beads?

            "...... In the structure of Russian imports from Europe, the first place was traditionally occupied by machinery and equipment. The second was always agricultural products, which, however, we now mostly provide for ourselves. A significant part of imports is also made up of pharmaceuticals .. .. ". Such are the beads. What do you propose to throw out of import? Can medicines for children with cerebral palsy? Turbines and machine tools that we do not manufacture? Seed for higher yields? Well, how, is there a "profit" for you, or do you still dream of producing everything yourself?
    2. +3
      11 December 2019 08: 36
      Quote: 210ox
      With what fright should we depend on Western Wishlist, offering them gas for dollars, and then buying for these dollars, for example, in Germany, agricultural machinery products
      They may be frightened if we refuse to supply gas, and then only for a while. They will find a replacement. But then we will not have dollars for our wishes. In order not to sell anything and satisfy your needs in everything, you need a developed and working economy, and as you know, after 1991, our "reformers" ditched it. And in the days of the USSR, a lot of things were bought over the hill. But in one thing you are right, you cannot be dependent only on the sale of energy resources.
      1. 0
        11 December 2019 09: 24
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Find a replacement.

        It is believed that they will not be able to find an adequate replacement for Russian supplies, and the European economy will collapse into a deep peak. But apparently this doesn’t suit someone, the world is global (to take even a law on domestic violence, against which all the main religious faiths of Russia and sane lawyers have already spoken out, but pushing this law, which has already been adopted in most Western countries, started a conversation about Donbass and Serebrenitsa , which is alarming), although according to zombies, they broadcast that it will be multipolar. feel
        1. +2
          11 December 2019 09: 43
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Find a replacement.

          It is believed that they will not be able to find an adequate replacement for Russian supplies, and the European economy will collapse into a deep peak.

          Yes, nothing will crash anywhere, the Germans themselves produce about 20 percent of their own, Norway is there, other options are also available in an emergency, and our German devices are installed in your gas and oil industry, without which production will become more complicated and more expensive, the tachta will live and trade farther.
          1. +3
            11 December 2019 12: 06
            Quote: 32363
            Yes, nothing will crash anywhere, the Germans themselves produce about 20 percent of their own, Norway is there, other options are also available in an emergency, and our German devices are installed in your gas and oil industry, without which production will become more complicated and more expensive, the tachta will live and trade farther.

            Everyone believes in their cockroaches, if you want, believe it. And I would look at Europe without Russian gas, with great pleasure. wink
        2. NKT
          0
          11 December 2019 10: 41
          The economy of Europe, of course, will not collapse, it will adapt over time, but where will Europe find 180 billion m3, even in the medium term? But what will be so clear with our economy.
          1. -3
            11 December 2019 11: 02
            Nothing will happen to our economy — Gazprom’s supply for the year is only $ 49 billion — with Russia's total GDP of $ 1700 billion, and Europe is not the only Gazprom market.
            1. NKT
              0
              11 December 2019 11: 11
              Cessation of gas supplies to Europe is possible only at the start of hostilities, so this is a purely hypothetical option. Gazprom has fairly close relationships with European companies with which it works jointly in Russia, such as Wintershall Dea and OMV. He can't "throw" them.
              As for the fact that Europe is not the only Gazprom market, this market is tightly connected with the resource base of the fields (geographically), and what are you going to do with this gas, if that? There are no jumpers between Western and Eastern Siberia. Where will you direct this gas? Just don’t talk about LNG, each LNG plant has its own resource base.
              1. -2
                11 December 2019 11: 46
                If the Russian industry begins to develop rapidly in the distant future, this gas can be supplied for new energy capacities, and there it will reach a decent gasification of the European part of Russia.
                1. NKT
                  +4
                  11 December 2019 11: 57
                  If Russian industry begins to grow rapidly in the distant future

                  So you yourself gave the answer: "If" and "in the distant future."
                  1. 0
                    11 December 2019 18: 14
                    In the meantime, no one will refuse our gas, even in the distant future, Kazakhstan has recently taken the initiative to build a gas pipeline with 14 billion cubic meters per year for its northern territories. And LNG - more than sure it will begin to rise in price in the future up to 500 and more dollars.
                2. +2
                  11 December 2019 12: 08
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  If the Russian industry begins to develop rapidly in the distant future, this gas can be supplied for new energy capacities, and there it will reach a decent gasification of the European part of Russia.

                  Plus hi
            2. 0
              11 December 2019 12: 07
              Quote: Vadim237
              There will be nothing with our economy - Gazprom’s supply for the year is only $ 49 billion - with Russia's total GDP of $ 1700 billion, especially Europe is not the only Gazprom market

              I agree. hi
      2. -1
        11 December 2019 10: 12
        They may have a fright if we refuse to supply gas and only for a while. Find a replacement.

        Dear DmitryThe EU seeks to diversify its suppliers, create a flexible domestic market so that it does not depend on one supplier. The antitrust policy of the EU is understandable and reasonable. The EU will not allow any of the suppliers to dominate. All this is creeping to consumers, and competing suppliers are forced to develop technologically, to increase their efficiency. hi
    3. 0
      11 December 2019 14: 46
      Quote: 210ox
      With what fright should we depend on Western Wishlist, offering them gas for dollars, and then buying agricultural machinery products for these dollars, for example (although we have production facilities in Voronezh and Belgorod)

      That was the same thing with WWI, we can say at our expense the United States built a military industry, and France is no better when the gunsmith Fedorov and General Hermonius traveled around the world and bought rifles, only about 3,5 million, of which every 4 was Japanese "Type - 38" chambered for 6,5 mm. The Japanese rifle came with cartridges (Latvian riflemen guarded Lenin from the Type-38). But with the money Russia bought rifles, and we had three factories Tula, Izhevsk, Sestroretsk, which produced 44 screws. The money spent could build dozens of factories. And also guns, aircraft, etc. There is almost no difference between 000 and 1914.
    4. -1
      12 December 2019 11: 35
      Because, Russia is a raw materials appendage of the western and already eastern world. Own industry almost does not exist, and the one that exists is aimed at ensuring uninterrupted production and primary redistribution of raw materials. And subsequent sale.
    5. 0
      13 December 2019 15: 53
      Here everything rested against us in this pipe.

      There are still considerations, after January 1, as they said from Ukraine since there is no agreement, which means they will withdraw gas as a draw. Or it will be necessary to conclude an agreement on their enslaving conditions with scanty prices for them and a high transit price. Political scientist Ishchenko said that Russia would have to pay about 50 yards to Ukraine, which is comparable to what Poland received from Europe. It appears that the Russian Federation will have to fill in with money, this Russophobic regime, spitting in the face. And this is a geopolitical defeat for the Russian Federation.
  3. +8
    11 December 2019 06: 34
    Gazprom loves to draw "monopoly cards". Peace is much more complicated than the gesheft of the Bulgarian-Russian officials. There is TANAP, after all.
    1. +3
      11 December 2019 07: 09
      I was confused by the phrase of the authors:
      although the cessation of Ukrainian transit is getting closer and more likely.
      Did I miss something? It seems that after the Normandy meeting they said that the transit continues ... Or did the article “come out” for a long time and lost its relevance?
      1. +2
        11 December 2019 08: 29
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        It seems that after the Norman meeting they said that transit continues ...

        The Normandy gas meeting decided nothing. The gas war continues. The gas transmission company "Operator of the gas transmission system of Ukraine" spun off from Naftogaz was created initially with such a debt burden that it would inevitably become bankrupt in the year of its foundation. There is a version that Naftogaz is tough on stopping Russian transit. Then the price of the GTS will fall below the current $ 120 million, and someone from Soros-Kolomoisky will buy it through dummies. One thing is clear, Zelensky, with his orders, cannot decide the fate of the transit from the word at all. It is useless to negotiate with him on this issue until he has influence on the supervisory board of Naftogaz. And the government demonstrates a point of view different from that of the president. It seems that there are complete misunderstandings at the top. Even in the relationship between Ze and Avakov, who is tipped for the post of prime minister.
      2. 0
        11 December 2019 12: 53
        transit will remain but in smaller volumes for a year or two
  4. +2
    11 December 2019 06: 41
    in the economy it is necessary to make decisions based on the real state of affairs and not think about the so-called little brothers and who, as it turned out, Russia has nowhere else from the word
    1. 0
      11 December 2019 07: 50
      Around the enemies. Ambush everywhere. And our armored train is on the siding. what
      1. +5
        11 December 2019 09: 01
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Around the enemies. Ambush everywhere.

        Our main enemies are in the leadership of our country.
        1. +2
          11 December 2019 09: 11
          Alas, mother-in-law does not sit in the country's leadership. feel
  5. sen
    +2
    11 December 2019 07: 11
    It was necessary from the very beginning to parallelize the gas flow through Greece.
    1. 0
      11 December 2019 10: 18
      It was necessary from the very beginning to parallelize the gas flow through Greece.

      2 times longer and much more expensive. And no other difference will be. What in Bulgaria, what in Greece - the territory of the EU, the same law and adm. procedures. Here I recall that none of the continuation of the Turkish stream (under construction or potential / in the territories of the EU countries, are Gazprom property. hi
    2. sen
      +1
      13 December 2019 05: 52
      Empty talk. Why is Putin in a hurry? That will introduce US sanctions and Bulgaria will fall under them.
      1. 0
        13 December 2019 10: 00
        Why is Putin in a hurry? That will introduce US sanctions and Bulgaria will fall under them.

        Prime Minister Borisov, after meeting with Trump, said that there are no problems and all issues have been resolved! Sanctions apply to SP 2 and TP! At the same time, Trump is outlined to selectively apply the law! Legally, the Bulgarian stream is not associated with the Turkish stream! Bulgarian / Balkan Stream / is part of the Bulgarian gas transmission system. It is owned by Bulgartransgaz. It has the ability to transport gas from other suppliers, including LNG (links with Alexandroupolis). hi
      2. sen
        +1
        14 December 2019 06: 51
        So the sanctions are not introduced by Trump but by the US Congress. If the TP is already built, then who will be sanctioned to prevent the TP from working?
  6. +3
    11 December 2019 07: 34
    Many letters and again niochem. A couple of days ago they already relished the topic of Bulgarian betrayal during the construction of the megavazh pipeline, but when the president called, hey, everything went and went.
    But life turned out to be simpler - a company of Russian oligarchs challenged in court the results of the competition for the construction of the pipeline. And only after they noticed in Moscow that the deadlines were already breaking and the complaint was taken away, work began.
    So you can conduct dances with a pipe tambourine at home.
    In the meantime, let’s wait for the organ-grinders and their predecessors to Bulgaria. We are waiting for more letters and pictures on the subject Brothers traitors, fighters against us.
    1. +2
      11 December 2019 10: 19
      Quote: Mac Simka
      Many letters and again niochem. A couple of days ago they already relished the topic of Bulgarian betrayal during the construction of the megavazh pipeline, but when the president called, hey, everything went and went.


      Thank you!

      But I can’t believe how many adequate people have unsubscribed here. It’s a miracle.
      In the last topic - everything is as usual "traitorous brothers", etc. etc.
    2. +1
      11 December 2019 10: 21
      Many letters and again niochem.

      With an enviable regularity, for several days in Russia there have been articles discussing nonexistent "problems" - "delay in the construction of the Bulgarian stream"! request Amazing! winked
      1. 0
        11 December 2019 12: 09
        Quote: pytar
        With enviable regularity, for several days now in Russia there have been articles discussing the nonexistent "problems" - "the delay in the construction of the Bulgarian stream"!

        Give time Boyan, the foam settles, the essence remains. You write everything right - respect! good
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  8. +3
    11 December 2019 07: 44
    Once, in the 90s, in the seaside Bulgarian Burgas seriously settled the Russian Lukoil, which built a powerful oil refinery there


    I’ll just notice that the acquired Neftekhim plant is much older than Lukoil. So the most powerful plant was built before Lukoil.
    And all the quality of the article from that opera.
    1. -1
      11 December 2019 10: 26
      I’ll just notice that the acquired Neftekhim plant is much older than Lukoil. So the most powerful plant was built before Lukoil. And all the quality of the article from that opera.

      Exactly! good The Neftokhim plant was opened on 30.12.1963/25.12.1991/1999! Lukoil was founded on XNUMX, and Lukoil Bulgaria in XNUMX!
  9. -1
    11 December 2019 07: 55
    Bulgarians play before ... they will whine .. but eat a cactus!
    1. 0
      11 December 2019 12: 26
      Hmmm ... you must be a hedgehog. So do not cry - chew on.
  10. 0
    11 December 2019 11: 12
    Quote: NKT
    The economy of Europe, of course, will not collapse, it will adapt over time, but where will Europe find 180 billion m3, even in the medium term? But what will be so clear with our economy.

    1. Europe, this gas is unnecessary. It can easily be replaced with local coal, but Greta Tunberg does not allow it - there will be missions. You can replace it with nuclear fuel that does not have emissions, but Greta doesn’t frighten it. It is only thanks to Greta and her ilk that gas is burned in Europe.
    2. The export of gas also brings Russia nothing good except the loss of an irreplaceable natural resource and a technological lag (only equipment can be imported from Europe to gas money).
    3. Gas export is possible without gas pipelines. Liquefied gas for Serbia and Hungary along the Danube or methanol from gas and so on.
  11. -2
    11 December 2019 11: 16
    Although Sofia can simply bargain, not only with Moscow and Ankara, but also with Washington, it’s not for nothing that Prime Minister Boyko Borisov flew there so quickly. Obviously, he asked how Sofia could be punished for participating in the Turkish Stream.

    During Borisov's meeting with Trump, many issues were discussed, including the Turkish Stream. The United States will not interfere with the implementation of the project; moreover, the project is financed by American and European banks.

    “... President Trump ... realized that the Balkan Stream and the interconnector with Greece are not competitors, but helpers of real diversification throughout the region.“- said Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov on December 10 at a meeting in Sofia with experts from the US Department of State and the Department of Energy.
  12. +3
    11 December 2019 12: 19
    An alternative to the Bulgarian transit gas pipeline is a gas pipeline through Greece parallel to the Transadriatic gas pipeline under construction with a branch to Macedonia and further to Serbia and Hungary. Moreover, to date, there is no confirmation of the resource base for filling the last gas pipeline with Azerbaijani or, especially, Turkmen gas. In this situation, Russian gas can fill an idle pipeline.

    PS A few years ago, I proposed to hammer Bulgaria on the American puppet and impose total economic sanctions on it - like let it feed on American gas at a double price.
    1. -1
      11 December 2019 12: 29
      Yeah - sanctions, sanctions, and again sanctions. And then “Iskanders”, “Poseidons” with “Petrels” should be overwhelmed and 100500 “Poplars” should even be smelled. We know without you, go do your homework.
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        1. -2
          11 December 2019 12: 54
          Well, I see that you have anxiety and toxicosis of a known course, but do not worry. While you are doing moki, no one will do anything to us.
    2. +1
      11 December 2019 12: 48
      Are you really sure that Greek and Macedonian politicians are completely immune to pressure from the US and the EU?
      Both the JV and the UP / TP are projects with a purely political background. Remind me why Gazprom decided to build a joint venture? Not because of Poland's position? And what about UP / SP? Before Ukraine's obvious turn to the west (approximately 2012-2013), the project was progressing neither swiftly nor shaky. There was a hope that they could come to an agreement. And why didn’t they start pulling UP through Romania? Yes, our "elita" was pressed then, and very hard. Because the son of a well-known American politician signed up for the owner of the Ukrainian GTS, and it is useless for different natives to interfere with the business of the right kid ...
      By the way, from the Bulgarian side there were no fundamental financial problems.
  13. +2
    11 December 2019 12: 33
    Quote: Boris 00
    We are Serbo brothers, and these, Bulgarians, we have long been no longer brothers!


    Oh how !!! And 30 years ago it was exactly the opposite. Then in the USSR they envied the Serbs and blasphemed that they were not brothers. This is how things turned out right now.
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    1. 0
      11 December 2019 20: 36
      Yes, yes. Passed already. But only if you do not interfere with big uncles smile
  15. -2
    12 December 2019 11: 39
    Quote: kjhg
    Edrosia refers to this very people worse than to their pets.

    You said that softly.
    The passages of the bureaucratic gang about "makaroshki", "You were not forced to give birth to children", "People begged to raise the retirement age" show that they treat the people much worse than animals.
    And disputes about hydrocarbon flows are a waste of time, such as faith in the EdRossi manifest on fuel rent for every resident of our country.
  16. +2
    12 December 2019 22: 35
    The price of a pipe seam does not matter. The payback period matters, and it depends on the gas price. The gas price will be low. The "energy superpower" will spend resources on transit fees.
  17. -2
    13 December 2019 14: 22
    Why do we need Bulgaria, like the entire East European poverty belt? Wasn't it more correct to stretch a pipe straight to Italy through the straits?
  18. +1
    14 December 2019 14: 26
    Lukoil did not build a plant. I bought it for a penny.
  19. -1
    14 December 2019 18: 12
    Quote: kjhg
    Are we ready to give them a fight? For myself, I personally answered this question a long time ago.

    He smiled so that I almost choked on laughter !!!!!!