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In the US, they talked about the training aerial battle F-117 against F-22

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At the American Nellis training ground, the U.S. Air Force command played a remarkable air battle. Noteworthy is the composition of combat aviation, which was involved in combat training.


At the moment, it is known that in addition to the F-15, F-16 and F-22 aircraft, the Air Force command involved the inconspicuous strike F-117, as well as the supersonic strategic bomber B-1B.

US military experts say that the F-117 in these workouts performed the task of getting as close as possible to the F-15 and F-22. In particular, the distance was studied with which he, while remaining undetected, was able to attack the fifth-generation fighter F-22 and impose a battle. The results of such experiments are not officially reported. However, it is clear that the Americans are not going to write off their F-117 accounts and are likely to use them primarily as airplanes to test the functional characteristics of the aircraft that are currently in service with the US Army.

At the Nellis training ground, the F-117 with the call sign KNIGHT played the role of an enemy aircraft and acted in conjunction with four F-16 fighters, one of which had the call sign MIG.

Snow-covered Nellis training ground over which the F-117 is flying (photo: Kris Tanjano):


It is noted that the “enemy” F-16 first appeared, which simulated the attack of the F-15 and F-22 aircraft, and then the F-117 appeared at a relatively low altitude. Training aerial combat lasted about 10 minutes. During the battle over Nellis, the F-16 and F-117 carried out an attack on the B-1B bomber.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 8 December 2019 14: 14
    +12
    "Play" for an adult! Check out the options.
    This is a serious training, real work on the tactics of possible / planned conflicts!
    1. ltc35
      ltc35 8 December 2019 14: 20
      +2
      It seems that it is too early to write off the iron from the arsenal. There is not enough "real" invisible J-20 (according to the Chinese comrades) to complete the picture.
      1. the most important
        the most important 8 December 2019 15: 14
        +5
        Quote: ltc35
        It seems that it is too early to write off the iron from the arsenal. There is not enough "real" invisible J-20 (according to the Chinese comrades) to complete the picture.

        That is, until their foreheads collide in the air, they will not see each other? Judging by the advertising statements, it will be so.
    2. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 8 December 2019 14: 23
      +11
      There is a proposal to "check" the visibility of F 117 with the Turkish C 400. Let's play hide and seek?) Who didn't hide, C 400 is not to blame)))
      1. A_2010
        A_2010 8 December 2019 17: 16
        -5
        Are you so sure about the capabilities of the C400?
        1. lucul
          lucul 8 December 2019 17: 45
          +6
          Are you so sure about the capabilities of the C400?

          It is)))
          1. eklmn
            eklmn 8 December 2019 17: 50
            -4
            Well done - excellent knowledge of the operating manual !!
        2. sir_obs
          sir_obs 9 December 2019 00: 10
          +1
          Are you so sure about the capabilities of the C400?


          I'm not sure about the possibility of stealth to be invisible. And all these demonstration duels are more reminiscent of movie fights of "masters" of all kinds of woo-shu and other eastern freaks. Effective jumps at the camera and waving body parts and various objects. But in fact, only dust to heaven ...
    3. Alien From
      Alien From 8 December 2019 14: 23
      0
      Surely the Yugoslav lesson learned ..... expensive even for them such experiments.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 December 2019 16: 50
        +5
        And they learn the lessons that they consider important, and learn, change tactics .... the enemy is serious, you can’t forget about that.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 8 December 2019 14: 32
    +2
    If you believe the monograph on F117, then it became almost the only combat aircraft, the appearance of which caused a shock in the USSR Ministry of Defense. The program for its creation turned out to be so classified. The countries of the soviets were not ready for this air defense ...
    And the Yugoslav victory, the only one confirmed, is an example. So it’s too early to write off it even now, when the fifth generation fighters appear ...
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 8 December 2019 18: 21
      +1
      And what kind of monograph is this?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 8 December 2019 18: 25
        +1
        Aviation and Time magazine. Unfortunately, I won't tell you the year and the number. But not yesterday's for sure.
    2. Sayan
      Sayan 8 December 2019 18: 28
      0
      Yes, victory over victories, heroically courageous (sarcasm) is direct over Yugoslavia. The Yugoslavs there incidentally failed one, using a microwave)))
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 8 December 2019 18: 30
        -3
        No, well, one plane was shot down. Moreover, according to the media, he "bought" a specially damaged microwave oven, mistaking its radiation for a locator. Photos of the wreck were presented.
  3. loki565
    loki565 8 December 2019 14: 39
    +4
    In particular, the distance was studied with which he, while undetected, was able to attack the fifth-generation fighter F-22 and impose a battle.

    It’s interesting what he was going to attack F-22))) And for the development of a stealth target is quite suitable.
    1. Meckajiuhe
      Meckajiuhe 8 December 2019 14: 43
      +3
      Flew at point blank range and wings of ngo with wings
      1. loki565
        loki565 8 December 2019 14: 57
        +4
        The main thing is that the wings do not come off the strain, he has this weak point)))
        1. Errr
          Errr 8 December 2019 18: 32
          +3
          Thanks for the interesting video. hi
          I managed to find out details on this topic at https://aerospace.d3.ru/krushenie-f-117-na-aviashou-1997-god-1697817/?sorting=rating:
          ... at the air show F – 117 of 49FW had to make three passes in front of the audience. During the first two, the plane flew in front of the audience in a straight line, at a speed of 750 and 550 km / h at an altitude of 150 meters.
          The third pass was to be carried out with a roll of 45 degrees in order to demonstrate to the audience the characteristic silhouette of the F – 117.
          During the flight, flutter of the left elevon began, strong fluctuations led to the destruction of the console.
          As a result of the investigation, it was revealed that the catastrophe occurred due to four missing fasteners (read, bolts) that secured the elevon drive hydraulic cylinder to the wing power element. Missing bolts reduced the rigidity of the structure, which led to the appearance of flutter during the maneuver.
          The report also stated that the maintenance documentation for the aircraft assigned to the 49FW was incomplete and that no inspection was carried out "due to contractual and budgetary constraints."
          The plane flew without bolts since 1996, when the verification of the same power element was carried out.
          According to the 49FW Supply Services Manager, the hydraulic cylinders on the F – 117 were removed and installed very often, and the assembly design was such that getting to all the mounting bolts was extremely tedious and difficult.
    2. Alexey G
      Alexey G 8 December 2019 14: 47
      -1
      Perhaps they imitated a fight with the Russians! F117 played the role of Russian SU57, and f16 played the role of Mig29 for example! They practiced the actions of their forces if they had to face us or the Chinese!
      1. yustas
        yustas 8 December 2019 16: 16
        +5
        I now deal with the American company dell more shit lately I have not seen .... for that price and brand mom do not grieve, and now the customer refused in favor of the Chinese, because of the guarantee of 20 dead, only two were repaired, and on the rest veto misuse ... And so the shtatovtsy in everything ....
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    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 8 December 2019 14: 49
      +7
      hi
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Brick and iron flew one after another

      Reminiscent of catch-up in the cartoon "Kitten named Woof". wink
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 8 December 2019 15: 05
        +5
        Hello Pasha hi
        It’s funny, but my comment was deleted, it’s probably someone’s blame))
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 8 December 2019 15: 09
          +7
          This happens . I hope I didn’t come before this?
          As for the news topic, mattresses like to make fog. The data on the training battle were not disclosed, but farted loudly. lol
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 8 December 2019 15: 11
            +3
            The data on the training battle were not disclosed, but farted loudly


            That’s the point, that’s exactly what I had in mind))
            There is no))
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 8 December 2019 15: 21
              +6
              Lack of bad news is good news! yes
              And it will become from the mattresses: they are much more spoiling the air. With or without.
          2. Errr
            Errr 8 December 2019 18: 52
            +1
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            The data on the training battle were not disclosed ...
            Hello Paul. The data there is very simple:
            The task of the F-117 was to get as close as possible to the aircraft of the conditional enemy in the most imperceptible way. Although the updated airplane was equipped with high-tech equipment, it was "shot down" in just a few seconds.

            Источник: https://dni24.com/exclusive/248577-v-ssha-proveli-uchebnyj-vozdushnyj-boj-mezhdu-f-117-i-f-22.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
      2. NN52
        NN52 8 December 2019 16: 02
        +6
        Pasha, it is)
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 8 December 2019 16: 04
          +4
          Hello Dimych! hi I see no reason not to trust your opinion! drinks
  5. single
    single 8 December 2019 14: 42
    0
    It remains only to "screw" the corresponding air-to-air missiles to it ... And it will be our sworn friends Shchastte ...
    1. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 8 December 2019 14: 46
      -3
      And what does he not have?
      1. loki565
        loki565 8 December 2019 15: 06
        +5
        And what does he not have?

        He doesn’t even have a radar)))
        1. yustas
          yustas 8 December 2019 19: 16
          +1
          And why does he need rrdar, he also has air / air rockets. Or do you think that from the air into the air, the pindoms will not be able to get? wassat
      2. ltc35
        ltc35 8 December 2019 15: 17
        +2
        No. The only thing that he can do well is to place the bombs exactly in the penny. His weapon is stealth. Although our air defense systems have long developed a lighthook detection algorithm for direct and indirect signs.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 9 December 2019 09: 55
          -2
          How to lay bombs exactly in the patch. ........ judging by the extremely ineffective work of lame goblins in Panama, this statement is not only dubious, but also erroneous, the goblin has only passive means of detecting targets, therefore, it does not carry any controlled boNbyon, respectively, the "carpet" is accurate can not be
          1. Kirill Dou
            Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 11: 33
            -1
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            therefore no controlled bong nb
            -

            The weapon compartment is two-section, 4,7 m long and 1,75 m wide, with a system of retractable beam holders. Typical weapons - two guided aerial bombs GBU-10 or GBU-27 caliber 907 kg. It is possible to install missiles AGM-88 HARM, AGM-65 "Maverick", atomic bombs B-61 or B-83 (two each), GBU-15 bombs or a BLU-9 container for submunitions. It is possible to install rail guides for the AIM-9 "Sidewinder" on the beam. [8]
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 9 December 2019 16: 39
              0
              Typical weapons - two guided aerial bombs GBU-10 or GBU-27 with a caliber of 907 kg ..... if there is no illumination then these bombs are uncontrollable. the goblin has no backlight, only from a third-party gunner
              Possible installation of missiles AGM-88 HARM, AGM-65 "Maverick", ... possible. but it is not for the same reason as for the first paragraph
              It is possible to install rail guides for the AIM-9 "Sidewinder" on the beam, ..... a sidewinder with a passive infrared seeker, this is a goblin, but it is unlikely to be so inconspicuous at a distance of 20 km, rather an easy target
              1. Kirill Dou
                Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 21: 58
                -2
                The aircraft is not installed radar. Except for laser target illumination, all aiming and navigation systems are passive. For guidance, a system of infrared cameras is used; for navigation, an inertial system and a receiver of a satellite navigation system are used. There are no active electronic warfare systems. [8]
                - check your details.
  6. Amateur
    Amateur 8 December 2019 15: 07
    +7
    first, “enemy” F-16s appeared that simulated the attack of F-15 and F-22 airplanes, and then F-117 appeared at a relatively low altitude

    And how did the F-117 with its 950 km / h catch the rest of the shoble? How's T. Clancy through a snowstorm?
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 December 2019 15: 35
    0
    Ai-ai-ai ... And at the VO forum, the F-117 is unanimously considered a worthless aircraft, which you can shoot down from a gun.
    1. ltc35
      ltc35 8 December 2019 15: 47
      +2
      Well, nobody talks about it. It means that this is a highly specialized aircraft, and the Americans decided to breathe a second life into it, trying to benefit from it.
    2. NN52
      NN52 8 December 2019 15: 56
      +4
      voyaka uh (Alexey)
      Not only VO considers it so ... but also its "creators" too ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 December 2019 16: 04
        0
        Show any pictures of the destruction (disposal) of obsolete aircraft and announce it as evidence of their worthlessness.
        Someday, both the F-22 and the Su-35 will also be destroyed. When the time comes to replace them.
        The F-117 had more sorties and more important destroyed objects than any aircraft of its time.
        1. NN52
          NN52 8 December 2019 16: 09
          +6
          Here's how .... Well, you will agree that the Americans NEVER disposed of airplanes, but sent them to storage, and you know where ... (with the exception of F 14, I hope for reasons you know))
          And why did this happen in case 117?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 8 December 2019 16: 24
            0
            Duc, .. and they did not destroy everything. belay
            Here in the article - they fly like nice.
            1. NN52
              NN52 8 December 2019 16: 31
              +7
              Not at all .. they cut 4 sides a year .. they say paint, well, very, toxic ... disposal is very expensive ..
              Everything is online.
        2. kot423
          kot423 8 December 2019 16: 37
          +2
          The F-117 had more sorties and more important destroyed objects than any aircraft of its time.

          Not an indicator. The house of the leader and the shaman in the Papuan village, destroyed by missiles from the ship - can also be considered important (for them) objects ... But there was nothing to answer.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 8 December 2019 17: 04
            -6
            F-117 did not fight against the "Papuans".
            They bombed (with bombs, with a target over) Baghdad. Where was one of the densest air defense in the world.
            And Belgrade. Where the air defense was also dense and modernized on the eve of the war.
            1. lucul
              lucul 8 December 2019 17: 51
              +6
              F-117 did not fight against the "Papuans".
              They bombed (with bombs, with a target over) Baghdad. Where was one of the densest air defense in the world.
              And Belgrade. Where the air defense was also dense and modernized on the eve of the war

              Is that the air defense that the Tomahawks destroyed before? )))))
              And you knew this very well, but still lied, for the sake of manipulating your opinion))))
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 8 December 2019 17: 57
                -5
                Tomahawks hit important government buildings, large antennas and radars.
                Small air defense destroyed Apache.
                A F-117 bombed 2000-pounds (900 kg) of objects that had to be destroyed thoroughly.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 8 December 2019 17: 58
                  +6
                  Tomahawks hit important government buildings, large antennas and radars.

                  Well, do not get out, do not. A missile without a radar, this is not air defense))))
                2. abc_alex
                  abc_alex 9 December 2019 01: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Tomahawks hit important government buildings, large antennas and radars.


                  Warrior, what are you, honestly. Only I at least twice gave you data on the number of Tomahawks, which was launched by the staff before the start of aviation. There will not be so many government buildings in Iraq, that's for sure. wink
                  US aviation operated under disorganized air defense. With a radar practically knocked out by a missile strike.

                  And I told you at least twice: there was no need to use night hockey in Iraq. Their work at the same time was perfectly performed by the 111th and even the 16th. Nighthawk application was PR action, designed to at least somehow, justify the colossal resources that were thrown to create a generally worthless plane, which was lit up at that time only in Hollywood films, one show operation against Latin American drug dealers and the operation in Panama.

                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  A F-117 bombed 2000-pounds (900 kg) of objects that had to be destroyed thoroughly.


                  So what? Could other planes carry these bombs? To drop two ton bombs, the United States does not need to drive a night hack at a cost of 111 million, 111 is quite enough at a price of 10 million. The latter, by the way, will take such bombs almost five times more. Your tales of the fighting importance of nighthounds in Iraq are ridiculous. In that operation, the United States dropped 2673 GBU-10 / 10I PAVEWAY I / II bombs, of which one third accounts for F-111, and the rest for F-117, F-15E and naval aviation and marine corps.
                  Nighthawks made about 1200 sorties. From over 98 thousands sorties of the coalition aviation. And they did not complete a single task for which they really needed an ultra-expensive "stealth aircraft" at the cost of 10 tactical bombers. And it is not necessary to say that they say "but they did not shoot down" the losses of the coalition aviation were Worthless for all aircraft models for almost 100 sorties, 000 aircraft lost for all reasons. Your phrase about "the most dense air defense" is just an endlessly worn newspaper stamp.
            2. sivuch
              sivuch 8 December 2019 18: 25
              +1
              It is sad to see such total ignorance of the materiel. For the first time goblins were used in Grenada, where air defense was unparalleled.
              Well, in Iraqi and Serbia, modern air defense didn’t even smell foul. Somewhere every 2-3 months have to be reminded
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 8 December 2019 18: 29
                -3
                "Well, in the Iraqi region and Serbia, the modern air defense did not even smell bad." ////
                ----
                After the air defense is destroyed, it is always declared obsolete. Or not enough layered.
                Or the terrain is inappropriate.
                Or the operators are inept.smile
                1. sivuch
                  sivuch 8 December 2019 18: 34
                  +4
                  It was therefore destroyed because it was obsolete. How many three hundred were Saddamych had there?
                  If you seriously want to know how the air defense of Iraq was different from the modern one, please, it’s not difficult for me (as with Yugoslavia). But for some reason it seemed to me that you are not interested belay
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 8 December 2019 18: 40
                    -3
                    "It was destroyed because it was obsolete" ////
                    -----
                    But BEFORE the hostilities began, many Russian (and not only) military experts called it 1) modern, 2) dense 3) layered.
                    And the Americans prophesied a complete collapse in attempts to overcome it.
                    1. sivuch
                      sivuch 8 December 2019 18: 43
                      +1
                      And what, from these statements the 75th complexes turned into 300?
                      Regular support pants fighting spirit
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 8 December 2019 18: 53
                        -1
                        "A bad athlete always gets in the way of an elastic band from cowards."
                        "They don't wave their fists after a fight." wink
                        ----
                        By the way, about the materiel. Do not confuse Panama with Grenada. But these are trifles drinks
                      2. kot423
                        kot423 8 December 2019 19: 02
                        0
                        A bad athlete is always underwear

                        Oh how .. So change your dome to a patriot, because it is 100500 times cooler. judging by the screams of your overlord. Not? Bored? Then there is no need here to write with a clever air delirium about air defense, which heroically knocked down all NATO and only f 117 had everyone.
                      3. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 8 December 2019 19: 14
                        -1
                        We have a Patriot in service. A long time ago. And they are not going to replace it. On his account the real downs of aircraft, armored personnel carriers and enemy drones. Not at the training ground.
                        It only needs to be applied correctly. Not trying to bring down what he is not intended for.
                      4. kot423
                        kot423 8 December 2019 19: 33
                        0
                        It only needs to be applied correctly. Not trying to bring down what he is not intended for.

                        This is what you had to think about before incurring nonsense about air defense of Baghdad and Belgrade, and at the same time sing the praises of 117, although this does not surprise you, you don’t sing, you offend the overlord.
                      5. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 8 December 2019 19: 38
                        -2
                        Patriot does not see stealth. Neither the States nor Israel hide this.
                        This is a complex against 4th generation aircraft. Always happy to clarify hi
                      6. kot423
                        kot423 8 December 2019 20: 38
                        +2
                        Spit. In Baghdad and Belgrade, there was nothing to see at all, after axes, etc. What didn’t stop to fill up 117. So the natural ability of your people to turn facts inside out, while leaving the topic of discussion and pouring tons of garbage information into my ears - doesn’t roll with me (and judging by the posts above).
    3. Archivist Vasya
      Archivist Vasya 9 December 2019 15: 55
      0
      Yes, the rules of the plane. I remember in the 90s my brother was playing some kind of flight simulator on Stealth, where the landing was the most difficult. Well, fly a long time to the goal (as it seemed to me then). Although the choice of various missiles and bombs was huge!
  8. sabakina
    sabakina 8 December 2019 18: 20
    +2
    Well, then everything is clear. But what did the B-1B have to do with it?
    1. NN52
      NN52 8 December 2019 18: 31
      +4
      Nothing ... was not there ... even English-language profile sites write about the "alleged" participation of B-1B there.
  9. Astronaut
    Astronaut 8 December 2019 18: 31
    0
    was able to attack the fifth generation fighter F-22 and impose battle

    Of course, in war, as in war (c), but how can a subsonic aircraft, in fact, an attack aircraft, impose a battle on a supersonic fighter to gain air superiority?
  10. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 8 December 2019 18: 52
    -5
    That they are well done of course.

    It is bad that in Russia such exercises are not conducted on a regular basis. At least MiG-29/35 vs Su-35/34/30.

    Air defense against fighter aircraft, submarines against surface ships, fleet to fleet)))

    Each design bureau would select the top ten pilots with airplanes / ship crews / air defense crews and forward, check at all battle distances.

    Not for the sake of victory, but in order to identify weaknesses in advance.
  11. Aleks1973
    Aleks1973 8 December 2019 20: 56
    +1
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    It is bad that in Russia such exercises are not conducted on a regular basis. At least MiG-29/35 vs Su-35/34/30.

    Is this your conclusion or knowledge
    affairs? Do not carry nonsense!
  12. Interdum_silentium_volo
    Interdum_silentium_volo 9 December 2019 00: 45
    0
    I am inclined to believe that everything is much more prosaic. In connection with the real facts of the spread of stealth technology. And the advent of 5th generation airplanes from rivals (China, Russia). The United States is forced to work out various options for collisions of its air forces with this kind of rival. In order to be ready for anything . And to be objective, the F-117 is the standard of such technologies, in addition to the use of materials and technologies, here the structure of the case itself implies stealth. I think its EPR would be even better for the F-22 and F-35.
  13. Kirill Dou
    Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 09: 28
    0
    A very beautiful airplane and a breakthrough for its time
  14. Chukcha
    Chukcha 10 December 2019 10: 08
    0
    It is a pity that they will not tell about the results, but this is the most interesting.