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Ukrainian Air Force resumed flights with air refueling

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Ukrainian Air Force resumed flights with air refueling

The air forces of Ukraine for the first time in twenty years have worked out refueling in the air. This was reported on the General Staff page on the social network Facebook.


According to the report, the crews of the Su-24M, Su-24MR and L-39 aircraft from the 7th tactical brigade aviation The Ukrainian Air Force carried out flights in the Khmelnitsky region day and night in order to restore piloting skills, and also carried out air refueling for the first time in 20 years. The Su-24M was the refueling aircraft on which the outboard refueling unit was installed.

The highlight of the flights was departures with a control test of the unified refueling suspension unit - UPAZ, which underwent repairs and modernization at the Nikolaev Aircraft Repair Plant "NARP". These flights were carried out by the best crews of "dryers". After all, such flights with refueling in the air have not spent more than 20 years

- said in a statement.


The General Staff of Ukraine emphasized that in the future flights with refueling in the air will take on a planned character.

On the way to the standards of leading NATO countries, this element of combat training is necessary to achieve the compatibility of Ukrainian pilots with the air forces of partner countries. It is likely that the issue of refueling in the air will be worked out on different types of aircraft during the next multinational military exercises "Clear Sky" in Ukraine

- added to the General Staff of the Armed Forces.
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  1. sanja.grw
    sanja.grw 8 December 2019 08: 56
    -4
    The Su-24M served as a refueling aircraft, on which an outboard refueling unit was installed.

    Did they run Lada Grant?
    1. Solieri
      Solieri 8 December 2019 09: 01
      0
      "Falcons" are flying in ... They will be quickly landed in Donbass!
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 8 December 2019 09: 50
        +5
        That case when you want to wish the number of takeoffs to not match the number of landings.
        1. krot
          krot 8 December 2019 10: 19
          +2
          The Su-24M was the refueling aircraft.

          What a good and versatile aircraft did in the USSR! But weren't the Sumerians about to get rid of this legacy? Yes, and they are pathetic in their attempts to use a front-line bomber as a refueling tank) Well, not for this he was intended, though he could! )
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 8 December 2019 10: 28
            +10
            Applying JoBla-trident completely cleans karma and turns the plane into lithak.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 8 December 2019 11: 26
            +1
            Quote: krot
            Yes, and they are pathetic in their attempts to use a front-line bomber as a refueling vehicle

            As they say - for lack of stamp they write on the toilet. In general, the Sumerians are not the first in this matter. The Yankees have long practiced the use of attack aircraft as tankers (deckers)
            1. figwam
              figwam 8 December 2019 12: 06
              +6
              Quote: Piramidon
              The Yankees have long practiced the use of attack aircraft as tankers (deckers)

              So this UPAZ on the Su-24M in the mid-80s of the last century came into the army.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 8 December 2019 13: 35
                +2
                Quote: figvam
                So this UPAZ on the Su-24M in the mid-80s of the last century came into the army.

                Well, in principle, and I'm about the same. To the fact that here some are outraged and perplexed about the use of attack aircraft and front-line bombers as tankers. hi
                they are pathetic in their attempts to use a front-line bomber as a refueling tank) Well, not for that he intended
            2. Iline
              Iline 8 December 2019 19: 16
              +4
              Quote: Piramidon
              As they say - for lack of stamp they write on the toilet.

              The most interesting thing is that after the collapse of the Union they still had one regiment of IL-78 tankers in Uzin. But they were quickly turned into just transport aircraft and sold to everyone. When in the 99th year we took the Tu-95MS at the same air base, then there the Azerbaijanis took the last Il.
              And the UPAZs were just standing on these tankers, it’s obvious that not all of them were sold to China.
          3. Prisoner
            Prisoner 8 December 2019 12: 07
            0
            One to one - ZAZ-966 slows down the other ZAZ for a favor of two liters of gasoline, to drive to the gas station or to the coup. laughing
          4. Bshkaus
            Bshkaus 8 December 2019 14: 23
            +8
            But weren't the Sumerians about to get rid of this legacy?

            You also know writing your nickname in Latin - to put it mildly, it’s not patriotic, however, it doesn’t bother you, the civilian air fleet, which has recently consisted of foreign aircraft, doesn’t bother you either (you can neglect a hundred superjets, this is within the bounds of the calculation error of the total mass) .
            And instead of arguing whether the Su24 is intended or not intended for refueling (and in certain conditions it is intended), they would talk about the really increased capabilities of the Ukrainian Air Force, which we will have to parry in the first place.
            The fact that you call them "schmery" does not affect the combat effectiveness of the Air Force of Ukraine and the Russian Federation, and I really want it to begin to reach the exalted-minded patriots.
          5. venik
            venik 8 December 2019 16: 45
            +3
            Quote: krot
            Yes, and they are pathetic in their attempts to use a front-line bomber as a refueling tank) Well, not for this he was intended, though he could! )

            ========
            Well, to be completely honest - the Su-24 as an "air tanker" for aircraft tactical aviation began to be used back in Soviet times (and very successfully, by the way!) .... request

            In the Russian Aerospace Forces, it is also used for this purpose and very effectively!
            1. Volkof
              Volkof 8 December 2019 17: 06
              -1
              In the Russian Aerospace Forces, it is also used for this purpose and very effectively!

              He has his own fuel of 9 tons with uneconomical engines and is not enough for 1 hour of his flight. Who., Where, and how much fuel can he give? Over its airfield Yak-130. a couple of tons? No need to voice stupidity ...
              1. venik
                venik 8 December 2019 18: 03
                +2
                Quote: Volkof
                Who., Where, and how much fuel can he give? Over its airfield Yak-130. a couple of tons? No need to voice stupidity ...

                ======
                fool "...Su-24M (TK) is a tactical tanker developed at the Design Bureau named after Sukhoi based on the Su-24M front-line bomber. Serial production of the aircraft was launched in 1984. In the version of the tanker, the Su-24M is equipped with a UPAZ-A unified outboard suspension unit for refueling and two PTB-3000 outboard fuel tanks under the inner pylons. The UPAZ-A unit allows you to transfer in flight (including at night) to a refueling aircraft up to 9 tons fuel. Currently, the system is also used for refueling Su-27 fighters in the air. At the MAKS-97 airshow, an simulation of a Su-30 refueling in the air from a Su-24M (TK) was demonstrated. Similarly, the Su-24M can be modified and the Su-24MK as a tanker option. ..... "


                (http://авиару.рф/aviamuseum/aviatsiya/sssr/samolety-spetsnaznacheniya/samolety-zapravshhiki/takticheskij-toplivozapravshhik-su-24m-tz/).
                PS Before "throwing slippers" it is better to "teach materiel" !!!
                1. Volkof
                  Volkof 8 December 2019 20: 03
                  0
                  "Buy a lip-rolling machine" and don't believe in fables ... With 6tn (two hanging tanks), the Su-24M can barely take off and needs an extended strip. If he gives more than these 6 tons of fuel, he has a flight time of about 30 minutes, and a distance of 300-400 km from the airfield. Why the heck such a tanker is needed and to whom? All this is theory and window dressing. In practice, such a refueling does not make sense. Do you know how much such an aircraft will refuel on the ground in the absence of a central heating system?
                  Almost 2 hours and for this you need two TZ-8.
              2. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan 8 December 2019 18: 38
                +1
                He has his own fuel of 9 tons with uneconomical engines and is not enough for 1 hour of his flight. Who., Where, and how much fuel can he give? Over its airfield Yak-130. a couple of tons? No need to voice stupidity ...


                I think you are very wrong, because you are not very right in imagining in which cases this can come in handy.

                This refueling option is needed in order to take off a couple, and after running out part of the fuel in one of the aircraft that will carry out the mission and fly with ammunition, the second will refuel it and return to its airfield (and / or meet upon returning from the mission), yes at the same time, the second plane burns fuel more than it gives, but the first increases the range of use of weapons, and this is already very important, since this can catch the enemy by surprise, who does not expect an attack at such a range.

                Such tactics are very relevant for example when using naval aviation or deck.

                With this tactic of use, the combat radius of carrier-based aviation can increase, and you can’t place the tanker on the basis of IL-76 on an aircraft carrier and it is not always convenient to use it.
                1. Volkof
                  Volkof 8 December 2019 20: 19
                  -1
                  Su-24M and what deck aircraft? Your tactics make sense on this dinosaur with gluttonous engines and a small radius for a front-line bomber. It will allow this aircraft to return successfully, otherwise it will have to be thrown on the way back with full fuel production .. For a front-line bomber, the combat radius with a load must be at least 1000 km. Even in Syria, these kerosene fighters fly with PTB!
                2. venik
                  venik 10 December 2019 15: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  This refueling option is needed in order to take off a couple, and after running out part of the fuel in one of the aircraft that will perform the task

                  =======
                  good Well, or for example for refueling barrage MiG-31 !!! (which is actually reflected in one of the photos!) good
        2. VO3A
          VO3A 8 December 2019 10: 38
          +19
          This is a pure ostentatious political event for fools, whom they consider everyone but themselves. There are a couple of idiots with completely killed aircraft and they figure out how to show non-existent power ... We got canned refueling units, chose the last still flying aircraft, with partially working equipment, but the sky-ready aircraft refueled, and maybe only simulated. After all, there are no numbers. How much they refueled and how much time it allowed to hang in the air .. This is a hoax, a primitive hoax!
          Let a single guided missile with illumination from the aircraft be launched at night in difficult weather conditions. This is possible only if the flight-navigation and sighting systems are in full serviceability. And this they no longer have and will never be, and the pilot needs to be prepared for such launches .. Let them continue to hang noodles on their ears .... "Stupid lizards!"
          There are no other words ...
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 8 December 2019 11: 27
            +7
            Now the second series of marasmic, non-existent successes and fakes of the Outskirts ... Everyone remembers the article about the launch of a "new" rocket of the "Neptune" complex ... There are no improvements, and new systems too ... This is again a political, propaganda fake. They took an expired, faulty rocket, which had never been properly tested and launched at their own peril and risk ... It was not the military who launched it, but the concerned and perplexed venal pensioners from the USSR, who, apart from the political order, hoped to receive some money ... They won't get shit, they won't pay for political events either, they'll throw them, as always ... The rocket flies into the sea, because no one knows where it will fly ... Not on target, but into the sea ... And they are also afraid that she will turn around somewhere, and the plane accompanies her in order to shoot her down if necessary .... The stupidity just goes off scale, but we should see some achievements in this squalor ?! What bridge, what ships? I want to laugh to tears from these clowns, a free circus ...
            1. Prisoner
              Prisoner 8 December 2019 12: 23
              +4
              On this occasion, I recalled the old joke (forgive me dear Ilyich, who Brezhnev). winked
              "They are going to communism by train Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev. They are going, going. Suddenly the train stops. The tracks ran out ahead. Lenin says:
              -So, comrades, let’s quickly organize a Saturday work day, put the rails down like that, and then we’ll go on.
              Organized a subbotnik, laid the rails, and drove off. They go to themselves, suddenly the rails again end. Stalin says:
              -So, mashynysta-shoot, kochegara- shoot, pamoshnika mashynista- shoot, the rest take shovels, pickaxes, and work until exhaustion !!!
              Caught up with political prisoners, they laid the rails. They go further. The rails are over again. Khrushchev gets up and says:
              -Take all the rails at the back and put them forward as you move, so let's go !! So, well, comrades, for work, otherwise I’ll show you Kuz'kin’s mother !!
              But soon those rails also began to be missed. Brezhnev gets up and says:
              -Comrades, why do we need to go somewhere? Let's stay standing, close the curtains, and ourselves will rock the car, and sing funny songs, about how fast we rush !! " (C) hi
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 8 December 2019 13: 10
                -2
                Quote: Captive
                Comrades, why do we need to go somewhere? Let's stay standing, close the curtains, and ourselves will rock the car, and sing funny songs, about how fast we rush !! "

                This part of the joke is relevant now, and not only for Ukraine.
          2. bober1982
            bober1982 8 December 2019 13: 22
            +1
            Quote: VO3A
            and refuel, or maybe just simulated

            Quote: VO3A
            This is a hoax, a primitive hoax!

            The highlight is that the Ukrainian twin brothers solemnly announced refurbished UPAZ and the beginning of refueling flights after a 20-year hiatus.
            У them very low level of flight training, this level is lower than the baseboard; here it’s not like refueling, there is no imitation. One laughter.
            1. Volkof
              Volkof 8 December 2019 15: 07
              -1
              Their Spark Su-27 flies through our part of the Black Sea! I wonder how we monitor the coast in our surveillance sector. There should be a control point with an on-duty shift of operators, which in real time monitors all ships and aircraft. It should have satellite observation channels, UAVs regularly flying on given routes and transmitting information in real time, reconnaissance aircraft and ships, stationary means, etc. and all in real time and with target designation. Ideally, there should be attached means of destruction ..
              To unite and establish contacts with air defense, sailors, border guards. civilian ship and aircraft traffic control services - not just ... Do we have this? Judging by Syria, there is not even a clue ... An air-launched X-50 missile will soon be put into service. the coordinates of the target are entered into it in flight ... And where are the coordinates of the targets anti-ship and other missiles ... It is necessary to accompany any foreign ship in the Black Sea, treat them with the influence of electronic warfare systems. accompany ships and planes, especially NATO and pi_ndoskie with special predilection .. But Svidomity generally should be afraid to fly over the sea! And any of their teachings should become a nightmare for them, so that it would not be disgraceful ...
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 8 December 2019 15: 30
                -1
                Quote: Volkof
                Their Spark Su-27 flies through our part of the Black Sea!

                The key word here is sparka.
                They have nothing, from the word at all, some show off.
                1. VO3A
                  VO3A 8 December 2019 15: 36
                  0
                  Well, why, did you see a story about the acquaintance of the Ukrainian Air Force with piston attack aircraft ... They were flown around (conducted a familiarization flight) by a young Ukrainian pilot under the age of 65, from whom sand fell, probably the best, he walks ...
                  1. mehan
                    mehan 8 December 2019 17: 36
                    -3
                    Are you talking about Super Toucano?
                    It is the same piston as you are an aviation expert.
                    Sing better.
                    1. Volkof
                      Volkof 8 December 2019 20: 29
                      0
                      Powerplant: 1 × TVD Pratt & Whitney PT6A-68/3

                      Well, wrong? I’m not a ChKM, clearly, fuel oil ..
                      1. mehan
                        mehan 8 December 2019 20: 31
                        -1
                        Unlike fuel oil, I am an aviator with a diploma.
                        Long-Range Aviation, Guards Regiment.
                        Sing, huh?
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                      3. mehan
                        mehan 8 December 2019 20: 35
                        -1
                        Well yes. Piston turbine ... yeah.
                    2. VO3A
                      VO3A 8 December 2019 20: 53
                      -1
                      Is that all? Just a diploma? And academic degrees, titles, scientific works? Concrete is a school, this is just a greeting, and then what? MASUTE .... And others must be taught, a worthy shift to cook! Transfer experience. Only theoreticians in schools, what can they teach young?
                    3. mehan
                      mehan 8 December 2019 20: 58
                      -1
                      My dear, for several years on the concrete of "certified" MAIshnikov I reached the level.
                      Something so hooked you. Complexes, uh?
                      PySy. Scientific titles, experience and practices are not a substitute. Here I am, although it’s old, and for a long time it was, but I do not confuse the sensor with a pointer, unlike academicians with diplomas.
                      Like a piston with a blade.
                      Smile, huh? Anyone can blurt out, but not anyone, realize it.
                    4. VO3A
                      VO3A 8 December 2019 21: 02
                      -1
                      Short-haired, grandfather ... Although we, like, have nothing to share ... If not for your songs and dances ..
                    5. mehan
                      mehan 8 December 2019 21: 04
                      -1
                      So I don't divide. I don't know how to dance, even if it's a "boot" and a guard.
                      A cho with a haircut is not so ?! I’m used to it, another thirty-five years ....
                      I’m here, I’m looking at the technique. Which I understand a little, unlike many here.
                    6. VO3A
                      VO3A 8 December 2019 21: 06
                      -1
                      Okay drove through, no offense.
                    7. mehan
                      mehan 8 December 2019 21: 08
                      -1
                      Mutually.
                      By the way, it is with you that there is something to talk about. It has long been noted.
                      And the technique .... well, whoever does nothing, he is not mistaken.
  • BLOND
    BLOND 8 December 2019 15: 16
    0
    They have a very low level of flight training, this level is lower than the baseboard, here it’s not like refueling, there is no imitation. One laughter.

    And everything else further down the list ...
    And the plaque and resource of AT and engines (about this later they will write books with a wiggling hairline on the back) ... "How the resource was extended"
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  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 8 December 2019 18: 42
    0
    How much refueling and how much time it allowed to hang in the air


    This allows you not to hang in the air, but increases the combat radius of the bomber, which is very very important.

    Especially considering that Ukraine is likely to soon adopt the anti-ship Neptune, which will be armed with the Su-24.

    One thing is the combat radius of the Su-24 + range of the RCC and a completely different thing is the combat radius of the Su-24 + refueling + range of the RCC
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 9 December 2019 17: 49
      0
      And will the Su-24 ukroVVS raise, at least one "neptune"? Taking into account the condition of the engines and the airplane as a whole and the level of training of the pilots. A familiar pilot said that the 24th is a difficult machine even for an experienced pilot. A pilot with 40 flight hours a year, it is better not even to approach him.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 9 December 2019 21: 09
        0
        And will the Su-24 ukroVVS raise, at least one "neptune"?


        Raise and think not one.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 9 December 2019 21: 11
          0
          And what is your optimism based on? Given that the engines were not repaired for about 15 years, they simply extended the life.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 9 December 2019 21: 15
            0
            Ukraine’s engine is even able to do something to fix it.

            Among other things, in Ukraine, I think there is a supply of new engines for the Su-24.

            They fly somehow, as you see.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 9 December 2019 21: 20
              0
              Motor Sich made engines only for MiG - 15, and then switched to transport and helicopters. Considering how the stocks of the USSR were sold off, I strongly doubt that anything survived. The last time a normal aircraft overhaul was in 2006-08, when 8 Su-27s were capitalized. After Yushchenko sold 2 of them to mattresses, all cooperation stopped. I don’t even know where the Su-24 is being repaired in Ukraine. They fly light, without load, and that is not very successful.
  • Mairos
    Mairos 8 December 2019 14: 12
    0
    Donbas has nothing special to land with. They have the maximum that they eat - "Arrow 10"
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 8 December 2019 16: 03
      +1
      Quote: Mairos
      Donbas has nothing to land

      Yes, there is nothing special and nothing to land, I repeat - they have nothing.
  • Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 8 December 2019 09: 15
    -2
    They ran Lada Grant? ..... zaz-virgin
  • Shkworen
    Shkworen 8 December 2019 09: 16
    -1
    ZAZ Chance :)
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 9 December 2019 17: 50
      0
      ZAZ has been standing for a long time. The plant is put up for sale for $ 16 million.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 8 December 2019 11: 36
    +4
    Quote: sanja.grw
    The Su-24M served as a refueling aircraft, on which an outboard refueling unit was installed.

    Did they run Lada Grant?

    And where are they going to interestingly fly with refueling? Ukraine has grown territories or fuel lost in quality?
  • alexmach
    alexmach 8 December 2019 12: 11
    +4
    Did they run Lada Grant?

    They will train on Sushki and at Hour X Boeing friends will drive them. In total, 6 American tankers stood at the Lviv airport 2 years ago. Right at the civilian airport. I took a photo.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 9 December 2019 17: 45
    0
    And sho rob, if all IL - 78 sold to China? And so, well, clean neighing, for those who understand. But for banderlogs - another pyrimog and zdobula)))
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 8 December 2019 08: 59
    +8
    Let them have fun. If the modernization of the Air Force has not been made for 30 years, then it's amazing how something else flies there. Once we flew, reported, recorded in the "override" and that's enough. And all these "repairs" are the disassembly of several "donors" to make one, relatively suitable.
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 December 2019 09: 23
      +10
      Quote: orionvitt
      it’s amazing how something else flies there.

      Long live the great and mighty USSR, as well as "fraternal help" from Belarus
      Quote: orionvitt
      Once we flew, reported, recorded in the "override" and that's enough.

      Flight with refueling in the air is one of the most difficult in terms of complexity and there really is something to be proud of for the pilot who managed to dock with the "cone", not every pilot succeeds.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 8 December 2019 09: 31
        +5
        Hello, Sergey ! hi
        Quote: svp67
        "brotherly help" from Belarus

        Father will answer you that "just business, nothing personal." yes
        Quote: svp67
        there is something to be proud of the pilot who managed to dock with the "cone", not every pilot succeeds

        It became interesting to me: the breeders want to join NATO. Are western refueling systems compatible with Soviet ones? I think no .
        1. svp67
          svp67 8 December 2019 09: 40
          +1
          hello Pasha hi
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          But father will answer you that "just business, nothing personal"

          And honestly, I understand him ... yet "this is not his war." But for how long?
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Are western refueling systems compatible with Soviet ones?

          Not really. They have the most common - "hard" scheme,

          such as we have the same, but it is more auxiliary
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 8 December 2019 09: 44
            +7
            Quote: svp67
            But for how long?

            Good question . To be honest - lately I have been poorly grasping the logic of AHL words and deeds. I’m not saying that it doesn’t exist, I just don’t understand this logic.
            Quote: svp67
            They have the most common - "hard" scheme, such as we have the same, but it is more auxiliary

            Well then, it’s time for the skakuas to start asking for NATO refueling systems (or rather, money for them lol ).
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 8 December 2019 10: 33
              +3
              Pasha pryuvet! I have only one question. And what for do they need it? Are they going to fly in Middle-earth, Libya or Iraq? recourse
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 8 December 2019 10: 36
                +5
                Hello ! hi
                Quote: sabakina
                Are they going to fly in Middle-earth, Libya or Iraq?

                It seems like that. They think that as soon as they are admitted to NATO (?), They will immediately be sent to carry democracy around the world. wassat
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 8 December 2019 10: 38
                  +2
                  Pash, one and a half excavator, I still understand, but one and a half aircraft ... request
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 8 December 2019 10: 39
                    +5
                    Quote: sabakina
                    but one and a half aircraft ...

                    All hope is that "abroad will help them." yes
                    1. sabakina
                      sabakina 8 December 2019 10: 43
                      +3
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      All hope is that "abroad will help them." yes
                      laughing
                    2. Terenin
                      Terenin 8 December 2019 10: 49
                      +6
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      All hope is that "abroad will help them."

                      hi
                      Everything is correct. By this, Ukraine offers its territory to NATO as a "jump" and service airfield. Russia needs to react harshly!
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 8 December 2019 10: 52
                        +7
                        Quote: Terenin
                        Russia must be tough!

                        I agree . All these "musi-pusi" will do no good.
              2. Bratkov Oleg
                Bratkov Oleg 8 December 2019 11: 27
                -1
                Quote: sabakina
                Pasha pryuvet! I have only one question. And what for do they need it? Are they going to fly in Middle-earth, Libya or Iraq? recourse

                They are going to fly to Moscow!
          2. Monar
            Monar 8 December 2019 11: 01
            +2
            Refinement.
            They have the most common - "hard" scheme,
            A little clarification. The Navy and the Marine Corps use a gas hose. And the US Air Force is refueling the bar.
            The barbell seems to be faster. But you can’t refuel helicopters anymore.
            What do they have? two incompatible refueling systems. Although I do not think that with a large number of refueling tanks for the United States this is a problem.
            But the system itself, in my humble opinion, raises a number of questions. What for? If the "long hand" is not enough, then no question.
            But constantly keep the tanker in the air now ...
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 8 December 2019 12: 09
              +2
              Quote: Monar
              keep the tanker in the air right now ...
              If I’m not mistaken, then the fleet of Amer’s refuellers is more than five hundred vehicles, plus allies, plus contract soldiers. It’s not always possible to act near their bases, so planes leaving the route after take-off, where fuel consumption is relatively high, refuel, and are also greeted. We must also remember that they are worn around like mad. The refueling procedure worked out to the smallest detail is of course a good help for the task.
              But why is this 404th I don’t understand, just for fun if
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              2. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 8 December 2019 12: 16
                +2
                By the way, this year’s teachings: Brit, Dutch, Americans, Frenchman and German have just flown away
              3. Monar
                Monar 8 December 2019 12: 53
                +2
                Well, see for yourself. Humble opinion.
                What for pulled 500 tankers Americans? Increase the radius of action. Well already rockets flew further. Bargaining time? So what can you expect from a pilot after 12 hours in a chair? Elementary fatigue. And if a day?
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 8 December 2019 13: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: Monar
                  Well, see for yourself ...

                  This is probably all together: tradition, necessity, understanding that it will not be available, all in one boiler. I would also add the wishes of the military-industrial complex, grandmother.
                  Quote: Monar
                  what is possible from the pilot after 12 hours in ..
                  The fact that they feed their pills is a fact proved in court. During the start of the Afghan company, they were flying three to four flights a day with refueling; there were no bases nearby. And one eagle with F-18 gouged a wedding in Afghanistan, it was pulled to the court and the lawyer drew attention: a healthy, physically and mentally aviator, like a ram repeats - “they shot me, they shot me”. The lawyer began to unwind and get to the bottom: they were fed some kind of narcotic rubbish, almost cocaine. The pilot was acquitted, it seems, rubbish was not canceled
                  1. Monar
                    Monar 8 December 2019 14: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    I would also add the wishes of the military-industrial complex, grandmother.

                    It’s clear here. But in
                    they were fed some kind of narcotic rubbish, almost cocaine.
                    I do not believe. Just for work. Narcologists in this is not a cheat. And they have it stories.
                    And the fact that there they shot in Afkana .. Well, even the glare of the desert was taken for the tip of the spike. Even our ventilation wings.
                    Well, on the topic. Humble opinion. Well, what for 100500 hours (I exaggerate of course) the board hang. The scout is still clear.
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 8 December 2019 15: 03
                      +1
                      I apologize, do not judge strictly if I am mistaken: you, as I think many, think in terms that have been inherent in us for a very long time. And we were split up in the system about 'chemistry', but I don’t know anyone who saw it: reflexes and skills - everything should be natural.
                      Westerners have long been taking this easier and even the pilots do not forbid this rubbish, especially to maintain efficiency. At the beginning of the Afghan company, they made 3-4 flights a day - they had to be kept in good shape, so they fed. All this surfaced in court.
                      On the topic: this gives flexibility in planning and implementation, especially when the budget is not particularly limited
                2. mehan
                  mehan 8 December 2019 17: 42
                  -1
                  Do not write nonsense.
                  Military alertness - have you heard that?
                  Our apparatus, in which it wasn’t much to move, went for 9 (nine, Karl!) Hours. In the winter. There is a deep minus in the cabin, sucking often, three packets of urine were brought.
                  For five hours, often walked. With refueling, essno.
                  Tu22, if what.
              4. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 8 December 2019 14: 03
                +1
                To the one who has terminated: my dear, say a word - we will discuss it. And then I’m starting to worry for you, you silently crawl and not a word - are you ill? recourse
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 9 December 2019 18: 33
              0
              Quote: Monar
              The barbell seems to be faster. But you can’t refuel helicopters anymore.

              The fleet is dealing not only with helicopters, but also with fueling deck vehicles. From the point of view of aircraft carriers, the ideal deck-based tanker is a station wagon: an ordinary drummer, on which PTB and UPAZ are suspended if necessary (because any special board in the hangar is a reduction in strike capabilities). So the fleet has no alternative to the hose cone on manned deck vehicles.
          3. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 8 December 2019 11: 13
            +2
            hi what they didn’t entertain, if only they would not play with matches. Chamber nr. 6, one word.
            Somehow it happened that rigid coupling These are usaf / air force aircraft; cone rod These are usn / fleet, usmc / marines, helicopters and all of Europe. Large tankers are often adapted for both types of refueling. Americans themselves constantly practice, but regularly conduct large exercises with their allies
            1. Monar
              Monar 8 December 2019 14: 11
              +1
              Could you clarify? And the filling sleeve and the rod on one flyer?
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 8 December 2019 14: 50
                +2
                Yes, that’s what it’s called a fashionable word. interoperability


                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 8 December 2019 15: 07
                  +1
                  Here is another interoperable lol


                  The bar is adapted for cone
                  1. Monar
                    Monar 8 December 2019 17: 37
                    +1
                    Thanks for the photo. Interesting.
                    But have 2 refueling systems on board. And to have a universal, well ... not exactly the same thing.
                    And alterations have the right to be. Or do you want to say that the reciprocal part is the same there?
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 8 December 2019 18: 23
                      +1
                      Honestly, this French rod with a cone is also not very clear to me. The French are using cone rod, I’m not sure that they can refuel amerovskie usafovskie aircraft.
          4. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 9 December 2019 18: 24
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            Not really. They have the most common - "hard" scheme,

            To be precise, the bar is widespread in the USAAF.
            USN, on the other hand, uses our favorite "hose-cone". The reason is simple: the fleet has the main tankers - deck-based, on the basis of combat vehicles. Ideally, this is generally a combat aircraft, temporarily converted into a tanker (so as not to reduce the strike part of the air group: when flying to a small radius, he is a drummer, to a large one - a tanker). Land-based naval tankers have a different problem - they have to refuel helicopters. So USN has only an ORM, only a hose-cone. smile
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 8 December 2019 14: 38
      0
      The colossal smell of the strength of Soviet technology, the brothers still can not decommunize)
  • Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 8 December 2019 09: 03
    +9
    They’re afraid of flying over Donbass .. ha ha ha
    I remember in 2014-15. Quickly their Air Force cleaned up hehe
    The West threw another bone to Kiev (IMF loan), obviously for armament .. So the men should not relax .. "War with Russia, to the last Ukrainian" in the West is still relevant hi
    1. comradChe
      comradChe 8 December 2019 09: 20
      -1
      If "dice" were thrown to them only from the west, it would be half the trouble! Here is the fact that most of western Ukraine lives in Gazprom and Rosneft, and the country's mummies are satisfied with this (well, what about the experts), this is FULL. So hold your hats, NO HOLIDAY ON OUR STREET. Only one betrayal!
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 8 December 2019 09: 25
        0
        they (Zapadentsev) were squeezed out of the Russian Federation (Gazprom) after 2004 by the Orange Maidan.
        climbed in again? - VVP leaked. And this is not a joke?
      2. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 8 December 2019 09: 54
        -1
        Quote: comradChe
        If "dice" were thrown to them only from the west, it would be half the trouble! Here is the fact that most of western Ukraine lives in Gazprom and Rosneft, and the country's mummies are satisfied with this (well, what about the experts), this is FULL. So hold your hats, NO HOLIDAY ON OUR STREET. Only one betrayal!

        Thrown in? It’s strange how even they still don’t agree with each other ?!
  • HAM
    HAM 8 December 2019 09: 13
    +1
    Well these "nato standards" just can’t eat and sleep without them .....
  • V1er
    V1er 8 December 2019 09: 17
    0
    According to the report, the crews of the Su-24M, Su-24MR and L-39 aircraft

    I don’t understand where and how do they repair it all? These are flying exhibits, and manufacturing companies are located on the territory of the Russian Federation.
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 December 2019 09: 26
      +2
      Quote: V1er
      and manufacturing companies are located in the Russian Federation.

      There were also direct deliveries from our territory and back. We and they, up to a certain point, closed our eyes to this. And so, there is also Belarus and Kazakhstan, as well as the countries of the former "Warsaw Pact"
  • Monar
    Monar 8 December 2019 09: 19
    +3
    Specialists, please specify, but can the L-39 be re-mounted in the air? Typical (and very good for its time) training flyer. But where is the refueling bar to adjust there?
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 8 December 2019 09: 53
      +3
      L-39 cannot. L-39 means in this part of the news: " the crews of the Su-24M, Su-24MR and L-39 aircraft ... flew day and night in order to restore piloting skills ... "
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 8 December 2019 09: 23
    +6
    Mdaaa ... there is something to think about! I remember that, somewhere, in the 15th year, there were attempts to create an air force of the LPNR! There were reports about the captured Su-25, and about the training L-29 (39), and even about the An-2, Mi-2 helicopters ... , a large number of airplanes and helicopters, up to the Mi-24 and Tu-95 ... But in recent years, there has been no rumor about the LDNR aviation ... VO, would explain something ...
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 8 December 2019 10: 17
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      There were reports of both the captured Su-25 and the training L-29 (39),

      Most likely it was just PR, given the presence of ZSU air defense systems. Like the multiple launch rocket systems Snezhinka and Cheburashka.
      1. Monar
        Monar 8 December 2019 10: 30
        0
        This is no longer PR. This is a frank lie journal.
        We L-29 put the private trader on a pedestal. The difference in size is not large. And I climbed them a bit, looked. And of course, it’s not a specialist in refueling in the air, but even my experience shows that there is simply nowhere to add a refueling rod there.
    2. mehan
      mehan 8 December 2019 17: 46
      -1
      So it’s damp in the mines.
      You dig up the disease, and ate his rust. Tank, that one is fat.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 December 2019 09: 28
    +4
    Where are the idiots going to fly, or are they preparing to escape?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 8 December 2019 11: 04
      +2
      Quote: Ros 56
      Where are the idiots going to fly, or are they preparing to escape?

      - The ocean is big however! Thought Chukchi ...
  • 1536
    1536 8 December 2019 09: 30
    -5
    Laughter - laughter, but after 20 years we can quite see the Ukrainian F-35 squadron over the Black Sea, and there, not far from the attack on Russia, in Crimea.
    The appeasement of the aggressor, the conclusion of various kinds of agreements with him, and even with the observance of his (the aggressor, which is Ukraine, which unleashed the civil war in the Donbass) "interests", has never in world history brought any security to the side engaged in this appeasement.
    Tomorrow's meeting in Paris, embraced by strikes and riots, between the leaders of the three leading powers of Europe, unfortunately, once again will show that this statement is true.
    1. Monar
      Monar 8 December 2019 10: 31
      +2
      And who will give them the same F-35?
    2. Amateur
      Amateur 8 December 2019 12: 28
      +3
      Laughter - laughter, but after 20 years we can see the Ukrainian F-35 squadrons over the Black Sea,

      Why only the F-35? Exports of 1000 pcs will be allowed especially for ukrov. F-22 and at least 100 B-21. In addition, they will donate 3 aircraft carriers and 3 Zumvolts (specially for the Sea of ​​Azov) and 1 Ohio nuclear submarine with 154 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles with nuclear warheads.
      And Melania Trump herself will work as spokesperson for President The.
      Dreaming - so dreaming! fellow
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 8 December 2019 14: 37
      0
      And will she be in at least 2 years? Personally, I doubt it very much.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 December 2019 09: 40
    +3
    Risky guys on such scrap metal to make such complex maneuvers. How do they generally maintain airworthiness?
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 8 December 2019 09: 55
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Risky guys on such scrap metal to make such complex maneuvers. How do they generally maintain airworthiness?

      How many planes are there?
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  • askort154
    askort154 8 December 2019 10: 01
    +10
    Why should the state, with parameters of 1300 x 700 km. you need a refueling system on an aircraft with a range of 560 - 1300 km. ? Showy show-off steepness, for their own "natsiko-selyuk", and nothing more. yes
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 8 December 2019 11: 07
      +2
      Quote: askort154
      Why should the state, with parameters of 1300 x 700 km. you need a refueling system on an aircraft with a range of 560 - 1300 km. ? Showy show-off steepness, for their own "natsiko-selyuk", and nothing more. yes

      They are building an aircraft carrier, invisible. wink
    2. Bratkov Oleg
      Bratkov Oleg 8 December 2019 11: 33
      0
      Quote: askort154
      Why the state, with parameters of 1300 x 700 km. need a refueling system ...

      They will dig a new sea, a black sea, for example, and they will go on long sea trips in it ... There, aviation refueling is also required.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 December 2019 10: 47
    +3
    The highlight of flights was departures ...
    Well, finally, we found a "zest" in their Air Force. Otherwise it is necessary to switch to NATO standards, but there is no "zest". Now everything will work out and reach such heights that the pilots of the entire NATO will come to learn from the Ukrainian "aces".
  • Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 8 December 2019 10: 59
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: orionvitt
    it’s amazing how something else flies there.

    Long live the great and mighty USSR, as well as "fraternal help" from Belarus
    Quote: orionvitt
    Once we flew, reported, recorded in the "override" and that's enough.

    Flight with refueling in the air is one of the most difficult in terms of complexity and there really is something to be proud of for the pilot who managed to dock with the "cone", not every pilot succeeds.

    I won’t argue. But I’ll ask my question- What is being pursued by this complicated EXPERIMENT in Ukraine? Achieve RESULT, or participate in the PROCESS?
    For a result that is useful and gives a result, the tanker SU-24 is clearly not enough. At first, it would be good to take care of the number of tankers so that the result is more significant.
  • alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 8 December 2019 13: 14
    -5
    These urapatriots are simply enraged with their children's comments. I remember how in 94 one hero promised one amphibious regiment in 2 hours to put things in order in one territory what it poured into? Dill is bigger than Ichkeria and there is some kind of industry. By the way, where are the greatest losses among punishers of atom? Dnepropetrovsk I am the region-Russian region (or rather the former) and zapadentsy somehow pulled in bulk to earn money, including in the Russian Federation.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 8 December 2019 14: 33
      +1
      Good attempt, State Department agent))
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 December 2019 18: 43
      0
      Quote: Alex aircraft
      I remember how in 94 one hero promised one airborne regiment in 2 hours to put things in order on one territory what it resulted in ??

      It is unlikely that Pasha-Mercedes offered to introduce two landing regiments, having previously forbidden them to open fire and cut off personnel to three to four people in a car.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 8 December 2019 13: 31
    +3
    Try in our skies over the Donbass to crank this up, we'll see))
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 8 December 2019 16: 06
    +2
    Hohlikov had a whole regiment of Il-78 tankers during the collapse of the union. Was, but all went into commerce. All planes are sold. Now refueling with "20-liter canisters" is performed lol
  • Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 8 December 2019 16: 49
    +1
    SU-24 as I see. Ukrainian Air Force, say? What kind of country is this, if not secret.
    I know the SU-24. I remember the designer of these aircraft. And the Air Force of Ukraine, .. makes the rzhach. With one reduction.
  • mehan
    mehan 8 December 2019 17: 32
    0
    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: krot
    Yes, and they are pathetic in their attempts to use a front-line bomber as a refueling vehicle

    As they say - for lack of stamp they write on the toilet. In general, the Sumerians are not the first in this matter. The Yankees have long practiced the use of attack aircraft as tankers (deckers)

    And even an unmanned tanker was blinded.
  • IL-64
    IL-64 8 December 2019 17: 34
    +2
    Well, not completely quoted? And is it important
    Interfax:
    "According to the Ukrainian General Staff, the Su-24M refueling aircraft made contact with a" drying "piloted by military pilots who have experience in refueling aircraft of this type in the air - Deputy Commander of the Ukrainian Air Force Lieutenant General Arkady Vashutin and Aviation Chief of the West Air Command Colonel Sergei Bliznyuk. "

    That is, only TWO PILOTs in the Ukrainian Air Force, one solid general, and the second colonel, can perform this operation ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 8 December 2019 18: 00
      0
      Bliznyuk is 55 years old, he takes part in all the epochal teachings, and usually one of his generals is in his teammates. So it turns out TWO PILOT.
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 8 December 2019 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: IL-64
      That is, only TWO PILOTs in the Ukrainian Air Force, one solid general, and the second colonel, can perform this operation ...

      Extra confirmation 'combat readiness' the country's aviation 404 and the need to keep clear: I remember in Lviv, too, two colonels were on the air for about 15 hours a year ...
  • 2Albert
    2Albert 8 December 2019 23: 39
    0
    It is interesting this time at these air force exercises, the U.S. again fly away the American pilot?
  • Anton Sokolov
    Anton Sokolov 9 December 2019 10: 56
    0
    Abaldet !!!!!!! (Galtsev's voice))))) Yes, Ukrainians, this is an achievement !!!!!!! Paramoga)
  • Popov I.P.
    Popov I.P. 9 December 2019 11: 41
    +1
    And where are they going to fly with a backup in the air - to bomb Moscow or the Urals? And where did the regiment of tankers Il-78 go, captured by Ukraine from the Long-Range Aviation of the USSR Air Force? As usual, they either sold or defecated .... Yes, and the aces of the Soviet school have not been there for a long time, and in order to train pilots according to NATO standards, you must have not dozens, but hundreds of flying hours per year. As the saying goes, climbing into the ranks with a pork snout is certainly not easy. In its current form, the Ukrainian Air Force is more dangerous for themselves and partly for the residents of Donbass (although the hunt there has long been kind of recaptured). By the way, the division of the airborne forces of the Russian Armed Forces in the Crimea exceeds all Ukrainian air forces (not to mention the combat potential) and in Russia these divisions ......