Ukrainian Air Force resumed flights with air refueling

The air forces of Ukraine for the first time in twenty years have worked out refueling in the air. This was reported on the General Staff page on the social network Facebook.

According to the report, the crews of the Su-24M, Su-24MR and L-39 aircraft from the 7th tactical brigade aviation The Ukrainian Air Force carried out flights in the Khmelnitsky region day and night in order to restore piloting skills, and also carried out air refueling for the first time in 20 years. The Su-24M was the refueling aircraft on which the outboard refueling unit was installed.

The highlight of the flights was departures with a control test of the unified refueling suspension unit - UPAZ, which underwent repairs and modernization at the Nikolaev Aircraft Repair Plant "NARP". These flights were carried out by the best crews of "dryers". After all, such flights with refueling in the air have not spent more than 20 years

- said in a statement.


The General Staff of Ukraine emphasized that in the future flights with refueling in the air will take on a planned character.

On the way to the standards of leading NATO countries, this element of combat training is necessary to achieve the compatibility of Ukrainian pilots with the air forces of partner countries. It is likely that the issue of refueling in the air will be worked out on different types of aircraft during the next multinational military exercises "Clear Sky" in Ukraine

- added to the General Staff of the Armed Forces.

Comments

[sanja.grw]

The Su-24M served as a refueling aircraft, on which an outboard refueling unit was installed.

Did they run Lada Grant?

[Solieri]

"Falcons" are flying in ... They will be quickly landed in Donbass!

[Vladimir_2U]

That case when you want to wish the number of takeoffs to not match the number of landings.

[krot]

The Su-24M was the refueling aircraft.

What a good and versatile aircraft did in the USSR! But weren't the Sumerians about to get rid of this legacy? Yes, and they are pathetic in their attempts to use a front-line bomber as a refueling tank) Well, not for this he was intended, though he could! )

[Vladimir_2U]

Applying JoBla-trident completely cleans karma and turns the plane into lithak.

[Piramidon]

Quote: krot

Yes, and they are pathetic in their attempts to use a front-line bomber as a refueling vehicle

As they say - for lack of stamp they write on the toilet. In general, the Sumerians are not the first in this matter. The Yankees have long practiced the use of attack aircraft as tankers (deckers)

[figwam]

Quote: Piramidon

The Yankees have long practiced the use of attack aircraft as tankers (deckers)

So this UPAZ on the Su-24M in the mid-80s of the last century came into the army.

[Piramidon]

Quote: figvam

So this UPAZ on the Su-24M in the mid-80s of the last century came into the army.

Well, in principle, and I'm about the same. To the fact that here some are outraged and perplexed about the use of attack aircraft and front-line bombers as tankers.

they are pathetic in their attempts to use a front-line bomber as a refueling tank) Well, not for that he intended

[Iline]

Quote: Piramidon

As they say - for lack of stamp they write on the toilet.

The most interesting thing is that after the collapse of the Union they still had one regiment of IL-78 tankers in Uzin. But they were quickly turned into just transport aircraft and sold to everyone. When in the 99th year we took the Tu-95MS at the same air base, then there the Azerbaijanis took the last Il.
And the UPAZs were just standing on these tankers, it’s obvious that not all of them were sold to China.

[Prisoner]

One to one - ZAZ-966 slows down the other ZAZ for a favor of two liters of gasoline, to drive to the gas station or to the coup.

[Bshkaus]

But weren't the Sumerians about to get rid of this legacy?

You also know writing your nickname in Latin - to put it mildly, it’s not patriotic, however, it doesn’t bother you, the civilian air fleet, which has recently consisted of foreign aircraft, doesn’t bother you either (you can neglect a hundred superjets, this is within the bounds of the calculation error of the total mass) .
And instead of arguing whether the Su24 is intended or not intended for refueling (and in certain conditions it is intended), they would talk about the really increased capabilities of the Ukrainian Air Force, which we will have to parry in the first place.
The fact that you call them "schmery" does not affect the combat effectiveness of the Air Force of Ukraine and the Russian Federation, and I really want it to begin to reach the exalted-minded patriots.

[venik]

Quote: krot

Yes, and they are pathetic in their attempts to use a front-line bomber as a refueling tank) Well, not for this he was intended, though he could! )

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Well, to be completely honest - the Su-24 as an "air tanker" for aircraft tactical aviation began to be used back in Soviet times (and very successfully, by the way!) ....

In the Russian Aerospace Forces, it is also used for this purpose and very effectively!

[Volkof]

In the Russian Aerospace Forces, it is also used for this purpose and very effectively!

He has his own fuel of 9 tons with uneconomical engines and is not enough for 1 hour of his flight. Who., Where, and how much fuel can he give? Over its airfield Yak-130. a couple of tons? No need to voice stupidity ...

[venik]

Quote: Volkof

Who., Where, and how much fuel can he give? Over its airfield Yak-130. a couple of tons? No need to voice stupidity ...

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"...Su-24M (TK) is a tactical tanker developed at the Design Bureau named after Sukhoi based on the Su-24M front-line bomber. Serial production of the aircraft was launched in 1984. In the version of the tanker, the Su-24M is equipped with a UPAZ-A unified outboard suspension unit for refueling and two PTB-3000 outboard fuel tanks under the inner pylons. The UPAZ-A unit allows you to transfer in flight (including at night) to a refueling aircraft up to 9 tons fuel. Currently, the system is also used for refueling Su-27 fighters in the air. At the MAKS-97 airshow, an simulation of a Su-30 refueling in the air from a Su-24M (TK) was demonstrated. Similarly, the Su-24M can be modified and the Su-24MK as a tanker option. ..... "

(http://авиару.рф/aviamuseum/aviatsiya/sssr/samolety-spetsnaznacheniya/samolety-zapravshhiki/takticheskij-toplivozapravshhik-su-24m-tz/).
PS Before "throwing slippers" it is better to "teach materiel" !!!

[Volkof]

"Buy a lip-rolling machine" and don't believe in fables ... With 6tn (two hanging tanks), the Su-24M can barely take off and needs an extended strip. If he gives more than these 6 tons of fuel, he has a flight time of about 30 minutes, and a distance of 300-400 km from the airfield. Why the heck such a tanker is needed and to whom? All this is theory and window dressing. In practice, such a refueling does not make sense. Do you know how much such an aircraft will refuel on the ground in the absence of a central heating system?
Almost 2 hours and for this you need two TZ-8.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

He has his own fuel of 9 tons with uneconomical engines and is not enough for 1 hour of his flight. Who., Where, and how much fuel can he give? Over its airfield Yak-130. a couple of tons? No need to voice stupidity ...

I think you are very wrong, because you are not very right in imagining in which cases this can come in handy.

This refueling option is needed in order to take off a couple, and after running out part of the fuel in one of the aircraft that will carry out the mission and fly with ammunition, the second will refuel it and return to its airfield (and / or meet upon returning from the mission), yes at the same time, the second plane burns fuel more than it gives, but the first increases the range of use of weapons, and this is already very important, since this can catch the enemy by surprise, who does not expect an attack at such a range.

Such tactics are very relevant for example when using naval aviation or deck.

With this tactic of use, the combat radius of carrier-based aviation can increase, and you can’t place the tanker on the basis of IL-76 on an aircraft carrier and it is not always convenient to use it.

[Volkof]

Su-24M and what deck aircraft? Your tactics make sense on this dinosaur with gluttonous engines and a small radius for a front-line bomber. It will allow this aircraft to return successfully, otherwise it will have to be thrown on the way back with full fuel production .. For a front-line bomber, the combat radius with a load must be at least 1000 km. Even in Syria, these kerosene fighters fly with PTB!

[venik]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

This refueling option is needed in order to take off a couple, and after running out part of the fuel in one of the aircraft that will perform the task

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Well, or for example for refueling barrage MiG-31 !!! (which is actually reflected in one of the photos!)

[VO3A]

This is a pure ostentatious political event for fools, whom they consider everyone but themselves. There are a couple of idiots with completely killed aircraft and they figure out how to show non-existent power ... We got canned refueling units, chose the last still flying aircraft, with partially working equipment, but the sky-ready aircraft refueled, and maybe only simulated. After all, there are no numbers. How much they refueled and how much time it allowed to hang in the air .. This is a hoax, a primitive hoax!
Let a single guided missile with illumination from the aircraft be launched at night in difficult weather conditions. This is possible only if the flight-navigation and sighting systems are in full serviceability. And this they no longer have and will never be, and the pilot needs to be prepared for such launches .. Let them continue to hang noodles on their ears .... "Stupid lizards!"
There are no other words ...

[VO3A]

Now the second series of marasmic, non-existent successes and fakes of the Outskirts ... Everyone remembers the article about the launch of a "new" rocket of the "Neptune" complex ... There are no improvements, and new systems too ... This is again a political, propaganda fake. They took an expired, faulty rocket, which had never been properly tested and launched at their own peril and risk ... It was not the military who launched it, but the concerned and perplexed venal pensioners from the USSR, who, apart from the political order, hoped to receive some money ... They won't get shit, they won't pay for political events either, they'll throw them, as always ... The rocket flies into the sea, because no one knows where it will fly ... Not on target, but into the sea ... And they are also afraid that she will turn around somewhere, and the plane accompanies her in order to shoot her down if necessary .... The stupidity just goes off scale, but we should see some achievements in this squalor ?! What bridge, what ships? I want to laugh to tears from these clowns, a free circus ...

[Prisoner]

On this occasion, I recalled the old joke (forgive me dear Ilyich, who Brezhnev).
"They are going to communism by train Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev. They are going, going. Suddenly the train stops. The tracks ran out ahead. Lenin says:
-So, comrades, let’s quickly organize a Saturday work day, put the rails down like that, and then we’ll go on.
Organized a subbotnik, laid the rails, and drove off. They go to themselves, suddenly the rails again end. Stalin says:
-So, mashynysta-shoot, kochegara- shoot, pamoshnika mashynista- shoot, the rest take shovels, pickaxes, and work until exhaustion !!!
Caught up with political prisoners, they laid the rails. They go further. The rails are over again. Khrushchev gets up and says:
-Take all the rails at the back and put them forward as you move, so let's go !! So, well, comrades, for work, otherwise I’ll show you Kuz'kin’s mother !!
But soon those rails also began to be missed. Brezhnev gets up and says:
-Comrades, why do we need to go somewhere? Let's stay standing, close the curtains, and ourselves will rock the car, and sing funny songs, about how fast we rush !! " (C)

[lis-ik]

Quote: Captive

Comrades, why do we need to go somewhere? Let's stay standing, close the curtains, and ourselves will rock the car, and sing funny songs, about how fast we rush !! "

This part of the joke is relevant now, and not only for Ukraine.

[bober1982]

Quote: VO3A

and refuel, or maybe just simulated

Quote: VO3A

This is a hoax, a primitive hoax!

The highlight is that the Ukrainian twin brothers solemnly announced refurbished UPAZ and the beginning of refueling flights after a 20-year hiatus.
У them very low level of flight training, this level is lower than the baseboard; here it’s not like refueling, there is no imitation. One laughter.

[Volkof]

Their Spark Su-27 flies through our part of the Black Sea! I wonder how we monitor the coast in our surveillance sector. There should be a control point with an on-duty shift of operators, which in real time monitors all ships and aircraft. It should have satellite observation channels, UAVs regularly flying on given routes and transmitting information in real time, reconnaissance aircraft and ships, stationary means, etc. and all in real time and with target designation. Ideally, there should be attached means of destruction ..
To unite and establish contacts with air defense, sailors, border guards. civilian ship and aircraft traffic control services - not just ... Do we have this? Judging by Syria, there is not even a clue ... An air-launched X-50 missile will soon be put into service. the coordinates of the target are entered into it in flight ... And where are the coordinates of the targets anti-ship and other missiles ... It is necessary to accompany any foreign ship in the Black Sea, treat them with the influence of electronic warfare systems. accompany ships and planes, especially NATO and pi_ndoskie with special predilection .. But Svidomity generally should be afraid to fly over the sea! And any of their teachings should become a nightmare for them, so that it would not be disgraceful ...

[bober1982]

Quote: Volkof

Their Spark Su-27 flies through our part of the Black Sea!

The key word here is sparka.
They have nothing, from the word at all, some show off.

[VO3A]

Well, why, did you see a story about the acquaintance of the Ukrainian Air Force with piston attack aircraft ... They were flown around (conducted a familiarization flight) by a young Ukrainian pilot under the age of 65, from whom sand fell, probably the best, he walks ...

[mehan]

Are you talking about Super Toucano?
It is the same piston as you are an aviation expert.
Sing better.

[Volkof]

Powerplant: 1 × TVD Pratt & Whitney PT6A-68/3

Well, wrong? I’m not a ChKM, clearly, fuel oil ..

[mehan]

Unlike fuel oil, I am an aviator with a diploma.
Long-Range Aviation, Guards Regiment.
Sing, huh?

[mehan]

Well yes. Piston turbine ... yeah.

[VO3A]

Is that all? Just a diploma? And academic degrees, titles, scientific works? Concrete is a school, this is just a greeting, and then what? MASUTE .... And others must be taught, a worthy shift to cook! Transfer experience. Only theoreticians in schools, what can they teach young?

[mehan]

My dear, for several years on the concrete of "certified" MAIshnikov I reached the level.
Something so hooked you. Complexes, uh?
PySy. Scientific titles, experience and practices are not a substitute. Here I am, although it’s old, and for a long time it was, but I do not confuse the sensor with a pointer, unlike academicians with diplomas.
Like a piston with a blade.
Smile, huh? Anyone can blurt out, but not anyone, realize it.

[VO3A]

Short-haired, grandfather ... Although we, like, have nothing to share ... If not for your songs and dances ..

[mehan]

So I don't divide. I don't know how to dance, even if it's a "boot" and a guard.
A cho with a haircut is not so ?! I’m used to it, another thirty-five years ....
I’m here, I’m looking at the technique. Which I understand a little, unlike many here.

[VO3A]

Okay drove through, no offense.

[mehan]

Mutually.
By the way, it is with you that there is something to talk about. It has long been noted.
And the technique .... well, whoever does nothing, he is not mistaken.

[BLOND]

They have a very low level of flight training, this level is lower than the baseboard, here it’s not like refueling, there is no imitation. One laughter.

And everything else further down the list ...
And the plaque and resource of AT and engines (about this later they will write books with a wiggling hairline on the back) ... "How the resource was extended"

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

How much refueling and how much time it allowed to hang in the air

This allows you not to hang in the air, but increases the combat radius of the bomber, which is very very important.

Especially considering that Ukraine is likely to soon adopt the anti-ship Neptune, which will be armed with the Su-24.

One thing is the combat radius of the Su-24 + range of the RCC and a completely different thing is the combat radius of the Su-24 + refueling + range of the RCC

[TermNachTer]

And will the Su-24 ukroVVS raise, at least one "neptune"? Taking into account the condition of the engines and the airplane as a whole and the level of training of the pilots. A familiar pilot said that the 24th is a difficult machine even for an experienced pilot. A pilot with 40 flight hours a year, it is better not even to approach him.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And will the Su-24 ukroVVS raise, at least one "neptune"?

Raise and think not one.

[TermNachTer]

And what is your optimism based on? Given that the engines were not repaired for about 15 years, they simply extended the life.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Ukraine’s engine is even able to do something to fix it.

Among other things, in Ukraine, I think there is a supply of new engines for the Su-24.

They fly somehow, as you see.

[TermNachTer]

Motor Sich made engines only for MiG - 15, and then switched to transport and helicopters. Considering how the stocks of the USSR were sold off, I strongly doubt that anything survived. The last time a normal aircraft overhaul was in 2006-08, when 8 Su-27s were capitalized. After Yushchenko sold 2 of them to mattresses, all cooperation stopped. I don’t even know where the Su-24 is being repaired in Ukraine. They fly light, without load, and that is not very successful.

[Mairos]

Donbas has nothing special to land with. They have the maximum that they eat - "Arrow 10"

[bober1982]

Quote: Mairos

Donbas has nothing to land

Yes, there is nothing special and nothing to land, I repeat - they have nothing.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

They ran Lada Grant? ..... zaz-virgin

[Shkworen]

ZAZ Chance :)

[TermNachTer]

ZAZ has been standing for a long time. The plant is put up for sale for $ 16 million.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: sanja.grw

The Su-24M served as a refueling aircraft, on which an outboard refueling unit was installed.

Did they run Lada Grant?

And where are they going to interestingly fly with refueling? Ukraine has grown territories or fuel lost in quality?

[alexmach]

Did they run Lada Grant?

They will train on Sushki and at Hour X Boeing friends will drive them. In total, 6 American tankers stood at the Lviv airport 2 years ago. Right at the civilian airport. I took a photo.

[TermNachTer]

And sho rob, if all IL - 78 sold to China? And so, well, clean neighing, for those who understand. But for banderlogs - another pyrimog and zdobula)))

[orionvitt]

Let them have fun. If the modernization of the Air Force has not been made for 30 years, then it's amazing how something else flies there. Once we flew, reported, recorded in the "override" and that's enough. And all these "repairs" are the disassembly of several "donors" to make one, relatively suitable.

[svp67]

Quote: orionvitt

it’s amazing how something else flies there.

Long live the great and mighty USSR, as well as "fraternal help" from Belarus

Quote: orionvitt

Once we flew, reported, recorded in the "override" and that's enough.

Flight with refueling in the air is one of the most difficult in terms of complexity and there really is something to be proud of for the pilot who managed to dock with the "cone", not every pilot succeeds.

[bouncyhunter]

Hello, Sergey !

Quote: svp67

"brotherly help" from Belarus

Father will answer you that "just business, nothing personal."

Quote: svp67

there is something to be proud of the pilot who managed to dock with the "cone", not every pilot succeeds

It became interesting to me: the breeders want to join NATO. Are western refueling systems compatible with Soviet ones? I think no .

[svp67]

hello Pasha

Quote: bouncyhunter

But father will answer you that "just business, nothing personal"

And honestly, I understand him ... yet "this is not his war." But for how long?

Quote: bouncyhunter

Are western refueling systems compatible with Soviet ones?

Not really. They have the most common - "hard" scheme,

such as we have the same, but it is more auxiliary

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: svp67

But for how long?

Good question . To be honest - lately I have been poorly grasping the logic of AHL words and deeds. I’m not saying that it doesn’t exist, I just don’t understand this logic.

Quote: svp67

They have the most common - "hard" scheme, such as we have the same, but it is more auxiliary

Well then, it’s time for the skakuas to start asking for NATO refueling systems (or rather, money for them ).

[sabakina]

Pasha pryuvet! I have only one question. And what for do they need it? Are they going to fly in Middle-earth, Libya or Iraq?

[bouncyhunter]

Hello !

Quote: sabakina

Are they going to fly in Middle-earth, Libya or Iraq?

It seems like that. They think that as soon as they are admitted to NATO (?), They will immediately be sent to carry democracy around the world.

[sabakina]

Pash, one and a half excavator, I still understand, but one and a half aircraft ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: sabakina

but one and a half aircraft ...

All hope is that "abroad will help them."

[sabakina]

Quote: bouncyhunter

All hope is that "abroad will help them."

[Terenin]

Quote: bouncyhunter

All hope is that "abroad will help them."

Everything is correct. By this, Ukraine offers its territory to NATO as a "jump" and service airfield. Russia needs to react harshly!

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Terenin

Russia must be tough!

I agree . All these "musi-pusi" will do no good.

[Bratkov Oleg]

Quote: sabakina

Pasha pryuvet! I have only one question. And what for do they need it? Are they going to fly in Middle-earth, Libya or Iraq?

They are going to fly to Moscow!

[Monar]

Refinement.

They have the most common - "hard" scheme,

A little clarification. The Navy and the Marine Corps use a gas hose. And the US Air Force is refueling the bar.
The barbell seems to be faster. But you can’t refuel helicopters anymore.
What do they have? two incompatible refueling systems. Although I do not think that with a large number of refueling tanks for the United States this is a problem.
But the system itself, in my humble opinion, raises a number of questions. What for? If the "long hand" is not enough, then no question.
But constantly keep the tanker in the air now ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Monar

keep the tanker in the air right now ...

If I’m not mistaken, then the fleet of Amer’s refuellers is more than five hundred vehicles, plus allies, plus contract soldiers. It’s not always possible to act near their bases, so planes leaving the route after take-off, where fuel consumption is relatively high, refuel, and are also greeted. We must also remember that they are worn around like mad. The refueling procedure worked out to the smallest detail is of course a good help for the task.
But why is this 404th I don’t understand, just for fun if

[Pete mitchell]

By the way, this year’s teachings: Brit, Dutch, Americans, Frenchman and German have just flown away

[Monar]

Well, see for yourself. Humble opinion.
What for pulled 500 tankers Americans? Increase the radius of action. Well already rockets flew further. Bargaining time? So what can you expect from a pilot after 12 hours in a chair? Elementary fatigue. And if a day?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Monar

Well, see for yourself ...

This is probably all together: tradition, necessity, understanding that it will not be available, all in one boiler. I would also add the wishes of the military-industrial complex, grandmother.

Quote: Monar

what is possible from the pilot after 12 hours in ..

The fact that they feed their pills is a fact proved in court. During the start of the Afghan company, they were flying three to four flights a day with refueling; there were no bases nearby. And one eagle with F-18 gouged a wedding in Afghanistan, it was pulled to the court and the lawyer drew attention: a healthy, physically and mentally aviator, like a ram repeats - “they shot me, they shot me”. The lawyer began to unwind and get to the bottom: they were fed some kind of narcotic rubbish, almost cocaine. The pilot was acquitted, it seems, rubbish was not canceled

[Monar]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

I would also add the wishes of the military-industrial complex, grandmother.

It’s clear here. But in

they were fed some kind of narcotic rubbish, almost cocaine.

I do not believe. Just for work. Narcologists in this is not a cheat. And they have it stories.
And the fact that there they shot in Afkana .. Well, even the glare of the desert was taken for the tip of the spike. Even our ventilation wings.
Well, on the topic. Humble opinion. Well, what for 100500 hours (I exaggerate of course) the board hang. The scout is still clear.

[Pete mitchell]

I apologize, do not judge strictly if I am mistaken: you, as I think many, think in terms that have been inherent in us for a very long time. And we were split up in the system about 'chemistry', but I don’t know anyone who saw it: reflexes and skills - everything should be natural.
Westerners have long been taking this easier and even the pilots do not forbid this rubbish, especially to maintain efficiency. At the beginning of the Afghan company, they made 3-4 flights a day - they had to be kept in good shape, so they fed. All this surfaced in court.
On the topic: this gives flexibility in planning and implementation, especially when the budget is not particularly limited

[mehan]

Do not write nonsense.
Military alertness - have you heard that?
Our apparatus, in which it wasn’t much to move, went for 9 (nine, Karl!) Hours. In the winter. There is a deep minus in the cabin, sucking often, three packets of urine were brought.
For five hours, often walked. With refueling, essno.
Tu22, if what.

[Pete mitchell]

To the one who has terminated: my dear, say a word - we will discuss it. And then I’m starting to worry for you, you silently crawl and not a word - are you ill?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Monar

The barbell seems to be faster. But you can’t refuel helicopters anymore.

The fleet is dealing not only with helicopters, but also with fueling deck vehicles. From the point of view of aircraft carriers, the ideal deck-based tanker is a station wagon: an ordinary drummer, on which PTB and UPAZ are suspended if necessary (because any special board in the hangar is a reduction in strike capabilities). So the fleet has no alternative to the hose cone on manned deck vehicles.

[Pete mitchell]

what they didn’t entertain, if only they would not play with matches. Chamber nr. 6, one word.
Somehow it happened that rigid coupling These are usaf / air force aircraft; cone rod These are usn / fleet, usmc / marines, helicopters and all of Europe. Large tankers are often adapted for both types of refueling. Americans themselves constantly practice, but regularly conduct large exercises with their allies

[Monar]

Could you clarify? And the filling sleeve and the rod on one flyer?

[Pete mitchell]

Yes, that’s what it’s called a fashionable word. interoperability

[Pete mitchell]

Here is another interoperable

The bar is adapted for cone

[Monar]

Thanks for the photo. Interesting.
But have 2 refueling systems on board. And to have a universal, well ... not exactly the same thing.
And alterations have the right to be. Or do you want to say that the reciprocal part is the same there?

[Pete mitchell]

Honestly, this French rod with a cone is also not very clear to me. The French are using cone rod, I’m not sure that they can refuel amerovskie usafovskie aircraft.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: svp67

Not really. They have the most common - "hard" scheme,

To be precise, the bar is widespread in the USAAF.
USN, on the other hand, uses our favorite "hose-cone". The reason is simple: the fleet has the main tankers - deck-based, on the basis of combat vehicles. Ideally, this is generally a combat aircraft, temporarily converted into a tanker (so as not to reduce the strike part of the air group: when flying to a small radius, he is a drummer, to a large one - a tanker). Land-based naval tankers have a different problem - they have to refuel helicopters. So USN has only an ORM, only a hose-cone.

[Alien From]

The colossal smell of the strength of Soviet technology, the brothers still can not decommunize)

[Starper-xnumx]

They’re afraid of flying over Donbass .. ha ha ha
I remember in 2014-15. Quickly their Air Force cleaned up hehe
The West threw another bone to Kiev (IMF loan), obviously for armament .. So the men should not relax .. "War with Russia, to the last Ukrainian" in the West is still relevant

[comradChe]

If "dice" were thrown to them only from the west, it would be half the trouble! Here is the fact that most of western Ukraine lives in Gazprom and Rosneft, and the country's mummies are satisfied with this (well, what about the experts), this is FULL. So hold your hats, NO HOLIDAY ON OUR STREET. Only one betrayal!

[antivirus]

they (Zapadentsev) were squeezed out of the Russian Federation (Gazprom) after 2004 by the Orange Maidan.
climbed in again? - VVP leaked. And this is not a joke?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: comradChe

If "dice" were thrown to them only from the west, it would be half the trouble! Here is the fact that most of western Ukraine lives in Gazprom and Rosneft, and the country's mummies are satisfied with this (well, what about the experts), this is FULL. So hold your hats, NO HOLIDAY ON OUR STREET. Only one betrayal!

Thrown in? It’s strange how even they still don’t agree with each other ?!

[HAM]

Well these "nato standards" just can’t eat and sleep without them .....

[V1er]

According to the report, the crews of the Su-24M, Su-24MR and L-39 aircraft

I don’t understand where and how do they repair it all? These are flying exhibits, and manufacturing companies are located on the territory of the Russian Federation.

[svp67]

Quote: V1er

and manufacturing companies are located in the Russian Federation.

There were also direct deliveries from our territory and back. We and they, up to a certain point, closed our eyes to this. And so, there is also Belarus and Kazakhstan, as well as the countries of the former "Warsaw Pact"

[Monar]

Specialists, please specify, but can the L-39 be re-mounted in the air? Typical (and very good for its time) training flyer. But where is the refueling bar to adjust there?

[AlexVas44]

L-39 cannot. L-39 means in this part of the news: " the crews of the Su-24M, Su-24MR and L-39 aircraft ... flew day and night in order to restore piloting skills ... "

[Nikolaevich I]

Mdaaa ... there is something to think about! I remember that, somewhere, in the 15th year, there were attempts to create an air force of the LPNR! There were reports about the captured Su-25, and about the training L-29 (39), and even about the An-2, Mi-2 helicopters ... , a large number of airplanes and helicopters, up to the Mi-24 and Tu-95 ... But in recent years, there has been no rumor about the LDNR aviation ... VO, would explain something ...

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

There were reports of both the captured Su-25 and the training L-29 (39),

Most likely it was just PR, given the presence of ZSU air defense systems. Like the multiple launch rocket systems Snezhinka and Cheburashka.

[Monar]

This is no longer PR. This is a frank lie journal.
We L-29 put the private trader on a pedestal. The difference in size is not large. And I climbed them a bit, looked. And of course, it’s not a specialist in refueling in the air, but even my experience shows that there is simply nowhere to add a refueling rod there.

[mehan]

So it’s damp in the mines.
You dig up the disease, and ate his rust. Tank, that one is fat.

[Ros 56]

Where are the idiots going to fly, or are they preparing to escape?

[sabakina]

Quote: Ros 56

Where are the idiots going to fly, or are they preparing to escape?

- The ocean is big however! Thought Chukchi ...

[1536]

Laughter - laughter, but after 20 years we can quite see the Ukrainian F-35 squadron over the Black Sea, and there, not far from the attack on Russia, in Crimea.
The appeasement of the aggressor, the conclusion of various kinds of agreements with him, and even with the observance of his (the aggressor, which is Ukraine, which unleashed the civil war in the Donbass) "interests", has never in world history brought any security to the side engaged in this appeasement.
Tomorrow's meeting in Paris, embraced by strikes and riots, between the leaders of the three leading powers of Europe, unfortunately, once again will show that this statement is true.

[Monar]

And who will give them the same F-35?

[Amateur]

Laughter - laughter, but after 20 years we can see the Ukrainian F-35 squadrons over the Black Sea,

Why only the F-35? Exports of 1000 pcs will be allowed especially for ukrov. F-22 and at least 100 B-21. In addition, they will donate 3 aircraft carriers and 3 Zumvolts (specially for the Sea of ​​Azov) and 1 Ohio nuclear submarine with 154 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles with nuclear warheads.
And Melania Trump herself will work as spokesperson for President The.
Dreaming - so dreaming!

[Ros 56]

And will she be in at least 2 years? Personally, I doubt it very much.

[Mountain shooter]

Risky guys on such scrap metal to make such complex maneuvers. How do they generally maintain airworthiness?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Risky guys on such scrap metal to make such complex maneuvers. How do they generally maintain airworthiness?

How many planes are there?

[askort154]

Why should the state, with parameters of 1300 x 700 km. you need a refueling system on an aircraft with a range of 560 - 1300 km. ? Showy show-off steepness, for their own "natsiko-selyuk", and nothing more.

[sabakina]

Quote: askort154

Why should the state, with parameters of 1300 x 700 km. you need a refueling system on an aircraft with a range of 560 - 1300 km. ? Showy show-off steepness, for their own "natsiko-selyuk", and nothing more.

They are building an aircraft carrier, invisible.

[Bratkov Oleg]

Quote: askort154

Why the state, with parameters of 1300 x 700 km. need a refueling system ...

They will dig a new sea, a black sea, for example, and they will go on long sea trips in it ... There, aviation refueling is also required.

[rotmistr60]

The highlight of flights was departures ...

Well, finally, we found a "zest" in their Air Force. Otherwise it is necessary to switch to NATO standards, but there is no "zest". Now everything will work out and reach such heights that the pilots of the entire NATO will come to learn from the Ukrainian "aces".

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: svp67

Quote: orionvitt

it’s amazing how something else flies there.

Long live the great and mighty USSR, as well as "fraternal help" from Belarus

Quote: orionvitt

Once we flew, reported, recorded in the "override" and that's enough.

Flight with refueling in the air is one of the most difficult in terms of complexity and there really is something to be proud of for the pilot who managed to dock with the "cone", not every pilot succeeds.

I won’t argue. But I’ll ask my question- What is being pursued by this complicated EXPERIMENT in Ukraine? Achieve RESULT, or participate in the PROCESS?
For a result that is useful and gives a result, the tanker SU-24 is clearly not enough. At first, it would be good to take care of the number of tankers so that the result is more significant.

[alex aircraft]

These urapatriots are simply enraged with their children's comments. I remember how in 94 one hero promised one amphibious regiment in 2 hours to put things in order in one territory what it poured into? Dill is bigger than Ichkeria and there is some kind of industry. By the way, where are the greatest losses among punishers of atom? Dnepropetrovsk I am the region-Russian region (or rather the former) and zapadentsy somehow pulled in bulk to earn money, including in the Russian Federation.

[Lord of the Sith]

Good attempt, State Department agent))

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alex aircraft

I remember how in 94 one hero promised one airborne regiment in 2 hours to put things in order on one territory what it resulted in ??

It is unlikely that Pasha-Mercedes offered to introduce two landing regiments, having previously forbidden them to open fire and cut off personnel to three to four people in a car.

[Lord of the Sith]

Try in our skies over the Donbass to crank this up, we'll see))

[akarfoxhound]

Hohlikov had a whole regiment of Il-78 tankers during the collapse of the union. Was, but all went into commerce. All planes are sold. Now refueling with "20-liter canisters" is performed

[Gnefredov]

SU-24 as I see. Ukrainian Air Force, say? What kind of country is this, if not secret.
I know the SU-24. I remember the designer of these aircraft. And the Air Force of Ukraine, .. makes the rzhach. With one reduction.

[mehan]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: krot

Yes, and they are pathetic in their attempts to use a front-line bomber as a refueling vehicle

As they say - for lack of stamp they write on the toilet. In general, the Sumerians are not the first in this matter. The Yankees have long practiced the use of attack aircraft as tankers (deckers)

And even an unmanned tanker was blinded.

[IL-64]

Well, not completely quoted? And is it important
Interfax:
"According to the Ukrainian General Staff, the Su-24M refueling aircraft made contact with a" drying "piloted by military pilots who have experience in refueling aircraft of this type in the air - Deputy Commander of the Ukrainian Air Force Lieutenant General Arkady Vashutin and Aviation Chief of the West Air Command Colonel Sergei Bliznyuk. "

That is, only TWO PILOTs in the Ukrainian Air Force, one solid general, and the second colonel, can perform this operation ...

[bober1982]

Bliznyuk is 55 years old, he takes part in all the epochal teachings, and usually one of his generals is in his teammates. So it turns out TWO PILOT.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: IL-64

That is, only TWO PILOTs in the Ukrainian Air Force, one solid general, and the second colonel, can perform this operation ...

Extra confirmation 'combat readiness' the country's aviation 404 and the need to keep clear: I remember in Lviv, too, two colonels were on the air for about 15 hours a year ...

[2Albert]

It is interesting this time at these air force exercises, the U.S. again fly away the American pilot?

[Anton Sokolov]

Abaldet !!!!!!! (Galtsev's voice))))) Yes, Ukrainians, this is an achievement !!!!!!! Paramoga)

[Popov I.P.]

And where are they going to fly with a backup in the air - to bomb Moscow or the Urals? And where did the regiment of tankers Il-78 go, captured by Ukraine from the Long-Range Aviation of the USSR Air Force? As usual, they either sold or defecated .... Yes, and the aces of the Soviet school have not been there for a long time, and in order to train pilots according to NATO standards, you must have not dozens, but hundreds of flying hours per year. As the saying goes, climbing into the ranks with a pork snout is certainly not easy. In its current form, the Ukrainian Air Force is more dangerous for themselves and partly for the residents of Donbass (although the hunt there has long been kind of recaptured). By the way, the division of the airborne forces of the Russian Armed Forces in the Crimea exceeds all Ukrainian air forces (not to mention the combat potential) and in Russia these divisions ......