Did the Strela-2 MANPADS work? Shows the destruction of the MiG-23 in Libya

In Libya, the MiG-23 fighter was destroyed, which was at the disposal of the troops of Khalifa Haftar, who is trying to establish cooperation with Moscow. The plane was shot down by the forces of the Government of National Unity (PNS) stationed in Tripoli. This was reported by Defense Arabic.

MiG-23 carried out an intelligence mission in the area of ​​al-Zawiya. The machine, released in the 1984 year, belongs to the MiG-23MLAE-2 model. As a means of destruction, an anti-aircraft complex of medium range Hisar of Turkish development is indicated, which gives target designation on the infrared channel. There is evidence that the entire PNS has 12 complexes of this type, supplied by Ankara.

However, a number of media claim that the Strela-2 portable air defense system (it appears on the video posted on the Web) played the role of the strike weapon. It was adopted in the armies of the Soviet Union in 1968 and was widely used in foreign armies.

Judging by the video below, the pilot Amer Yusuf Gadban successfully ejected, but was captured. As can be understood from the materials presented, there was no physical reprisal, however, the pilot went through moral bullying. Earlier, he himself promised to deal with the enemy, which was captured in a number of videos on social networks.

لحظة استهداف جنود فرقة 20 / 20 الطائرة الحربية التابعة للغزاة والتي أصيبت في منطقة الخلة وسقطت في مدينة ال# وكي_يا_حاج 2 pic.twitter.com/A3E60qdMRV

- عبدالمالك المدني (@ madaNea14) December 7, 2019

Libyan Army shot down a MiG-23 fighter aircraft for warlord Haftar on Saturday. Pilot arrested pic.twitter.com/z5xEaXDJQn

- The Libya Observer (@Lyobserver) December 7, 2019

Comments

[SAG]

It was adopted by the Soviet Union in 1968 and was widely used in foreign armies.

How much quality weapons did the USSR produce, that they were successfully fighting after 50 years, and both sides of the conflict ?!

[Vladimir_2U]

"As a means of destruction, the medium-range Hisar anti-aircraft complex of Turkish design is indicated, issuing infrared target designation"
IR target designation ?! Mobile phone technology on guard of the sky! Oh, journalism.
And yes, I read about Strela.

[tatarin1972]

IR GOS works on the principle of capturing infrared waves, according to the simple thermal background of the target.

[Vladimir_2U]

The article does not contain a word, not just about the ICG seeker;

[tatarin1972]

You yourself wrote about the infrared channel - IR GOS.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

infrared target designation

Points to send you? Infrared target designation! Do you understand what is TARGET? Not Homing, but TARGET?

[krot]

In the photo are real monkeys! )))

[opus]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

IR target designation ?! Mobile phone technology on guard of the sky! Oh, journalism.

NSC “Sura” and its modifications are intended for operational guidance of guided weapons (missiles with infrared seeker)
target designation, in this case, goes on the Ik-channel: helmet (position of view) - two receivers

than you don’t

Mobile phone technology

but the author was wrong ..
HISAR-A short-range air defense systems and at the end of infrared guidance.

as well

The concept of data transmission based on the use of infrared (IR) channels has been developed for many years and interest in it is currently only expanding due to the increasing demand for high-speed wireless communication channels.

Back in the late 60s, data transmission tests were conducted in Moscow on the basis of the Russian equipment for wireless infrared communication, which was installed between Moscow State University and Zubovskaya Square. Then a number of experiments were conducted in the early 70s in various regions of the country. In general, the tests were successful, but at that time the experts had a rather cool opinion about this technology and it boiled down to the fact that bad weather conditions make the use of wireless infrared channels an unacceptable and unpromising direction.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: opus

NSC “Sura” and its modifications are intended for operational guidance of guided weapons

What does our helmet-mounted target designation system have to do with the Turkish air defense system? In addition, you have mixed up the TARGET, with tracking the position of the helmet, which is why IR LEDs in the example you use are for. Well, at least some kind of attitude can be traced, at least some kind of truth, which is not close in the article.

[opus]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

What does our helmet-mounted target designation system have to do with the Turkish air defense system?

nor what. and who claimed these things?
Not who Vladimir_2U wrote

Quote: Vladimir_2U

IR target designation ?! Mobile phone technology on guard of the sky!

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Do you understand what is TARGET?

I brought the NSCU "Sura", which works via the infrared channel.
1. Target designation is the ability to quickly and correctly indicate goals, landmarks and other objects
2. Infrared channel - a data transmission channel that does not require wired connections for its operation.
1 + 2 = 3 Surah.
I explained.
and nonsense about the TV remote

Quote: opus

The concept of data transmission based on the use of infrared (IR) channels was developed

I do not like this.
take an infrared laser

and tell how much you fit

Quote: Vladimir_2U

In addition, you confused the TARGET, with tracking the position of the helmet,

besides, I didn’t mix anything up.
What is target designation, see item 1 above
Just the position of the head, the eye indicates the location of the target in space (by 2m coordinates), "Sura" transfers target data to a missile / or other weapon

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: opus

"Sura" transfers target data to a missile / or other weapon

Sura does NOT transmit target designation to the missile via infrared

Quote: opus

and nonsense about the TV remote

about the TV remote, please quote from my commentary, otherwise it’s easier to write nonsense and debunk it yourself. In an article about the Turkish air defense system, what does the domestic helmet-mounted system "Sura" have to do with it? Which, using IR, is carried out only the positioning of the pilot's head, the initial data on target acquisition in the missile seeker is not transmitted using IR. After the launch, the rocket has nothing to do with either the aircraft or the Sura.

[opus]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Sura does NOT transmit target designation to the missile via infrared

Yes Yes

the position (sight) of the head to the target is transmitted through the IR channel.
So Ik target designation is.
Do not be so jammed on the radar and missiles

Quote: Vladimir_2U

about the TV remote please quote from my comment,

well

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Mobile phone technology on guard of the sky!

who cares? Excuse me. called remotes what you called phones

IrDA mobile phone:
Protocol Specifications Irlap, IrLMP, IrCOMM, Tiny TP, IrOBEX, IrLAN, IrSimple and IrFM (under development).
SIR (HPSIR) - Serial InfraRed - up to 115200 bps
MIR - Medium InfraRed - up to 1.152 Mbps
FIR - Fast InfraRed - up to 4 Mbps
VFIR - Very Fast InfraRed - up to 16 Mbps
UFIR - Ultra Fast InfraRed - Up to 96 Mbps
Giga-IR - up to 1 Gb / s

The IrDA TV is based on the architecture of the PC COM COM port, which uses the Universal Asynchronous Receiver Transmitter (UART) and operates at a data rate of 2400–115200 bps.
IrDA includes a protocol stack of three agreed mandatory levels: IrPL (Physical Layer), Irlap (Link Access Protocol) and Irlmp (Link Management Protocol).

[Vladimir_2U]

Are you screwed or what? In the article about the SAM, you are talking about the "Sura". In "Sura" IK is involved only in determining the position of the head, you mean the transfer of data via the IR channel to the rocket. Wake up.

[opus]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Are you screwed or what? In the article about the SAM, you are talking about the "Sura".

Well, don’t be so rude.
I'm chewing
1. I'm not talking about an article gu-gu.
Someone "Vladimir_2U" hinted that target designation could not be given via the IR channel. I refute it
2. It doesn’t matter where it takes part. Sura is a helmet-mounted target designation system.
IR sensors transmit the positioning data of the pilot’s head, then to the systems, which means that the target designation is transmitted via the IR channel.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

, you're talking about transmitting data on the IR channel to a rocket.

and IR is not involved in the chain:
target-head / eyes of the pilot, BTsVM -AKU- rocket


/ it is impossible to be on so little deductible logic?
well do not like surah, take KOLS

What is so special about IR radiation that it cannot be used in target designation?
IR is also EM radiation.
you can tell about "inferiority":
TerraLink 1000, 2000, 3000, FiRLAN ET3XX; MT3XX; TR5XX; FT 0150, 0400, 1200, 2500
CableFree 500, 1000, Lite, Cell Link
What about the PAV Data Systems Ltd IR system?
Due to the highest beam power ratio, the original technology for producing a circular beam cross-section and balanced parameters, systems are now mass-produced at 155 Mbps with a range of up to 4 km with a high availability factor for the conditions of central Russia.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Wake up.

Well, what can I say. this argument

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

As a means of destruction, the Turkish-developed Hisar medium-range anti-aircraft complex is indicated, which issues target designation via the infrared channel "

None of your comments have a single word about transmitting data to ROCKET over the IR channel. BCVM how does it transmit data to a rocket? Aviation ejection device HOW TO TRANSFER DATA TO ROCKET? Answer me.

[opus]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Answer me.

I don’t understand, you, that there are difficulties with a causal relationship.
what does it ONLY

Quote: Vladimir_2U

HOW DOES THE DATA TRANSFER ON THE ROCKET?

Do you have a rocket in a spherical vacuum?

sort out
Multi-Band Laser Spot Tracker (MBLST)

/ tired of everything

[Vladimir_2U]

You have difficulties, and they are very difficult. And I’m afraid that I’m not even talking about logic.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

None of your comments have a single word about transmitting data to ROCKET over the IR channel. BCVM how does it transmit data to a rocket? Aviation ejection device HOW TO TRANSFER DATA TO ROCKET? Answer me.

Is it difficult for you to directly answer these simple questions, the number two in all? Although what to demand from a tired, and very likely mournful.
By the way about "Sura", the fact that target designation gives out the PILOT with a glance escapes you! IR diodes are just elements of the executive system. To think that they give out target designation is like thinking that target designation is given by the flywheels of the gun guidance mechanism, for example.

[svp67]

Quote: SAG

How much quality weapons did the USSR produce, that they were successfully fighting after 50 years, and both sides of the conflict ?!

In this case, the MiG-23 cannot be called "successful"

[Maz]

Yeah, when did the moment, and when the arrow 2? That's the same

[Kunar]

Exactly. Arrow staffing in the amount of 2 units were equipped with any BMP, BMD, and armored personnel carrier of the Soviet Army

[Lesorub]

Quote: svp67

Quote: SAG

How much quality weapons did the USSR produce, that they were successfully fighting after 50 years, and both sides of the conflict ?!

In this case, the MiG-23 cannot be called "successful"

The fact that the MiG 23 still flies and performs combat functions from scratch for so many years without modernization is already a success.

[boss]

for 30 years he performed successfully, but then he was shot down and immediately "you can't call it successful" ...
it was the faithful pilots and the use of outdated aviation that allowed Assad to keep Syria.
Look at the map of forces in Syria in the 14th, everything was kept there at airfields alone.
and if you look at what junk (you cannot name it otherwise), the 'Syrian falcons' flew, then their courage, diva, is given.
barrels from the 21st! For a moment the babahs fell asleep!
survived.
very successful technique!
I think that there is no longer such a successful technology in the world, there is no evidence that 40-year-old jet aircraft were successfully used.

[orionvitt]

Quote: patron

there is no evidence that jet 40 year aviation was successfully used

No doubt, Soviet technology is the best. But by analogy, the F-15, and especially the F-16, is in service, I don't even know how many dozen countries. And the development, the same of the late 60s, though of a different generation, but the age of some aircraft is comparable .. By the way, Israel regularly uses the F-16 in combat operations, just like Turkey. And many others. In Iran, Phantoms are still flying. If you dig around, it turns out that there are a lot of outdated weapons in the world, and a lot is still fighting. I generally keep quiet about tanks.

[Herrmakedon]

A lot depends on who is at the helm or at the sight :).
Although the pilot will defeat everyone on the Internet :)

[Starper-xnumx]

Quote: SAG

How much quality weapons did the USSR produce, that they were successfully fighting after 50 years, and both sides of the conflict ?!

You can’t argue with that! The most interesting thing is that the USA and others cannot boast of it ..

[svp67]

Quote: Starper-777

The most interesting thing is that the USA and others cannot boast of it ..

Oh oh And how old is the B-52, F-15 and F-16?

[boss]

and in which country are the peers of the 21st and 23rd months actually used ?!
21 in syria so far so then fly

[Jack O'Neill]

The phantom still flies in Israel, Japan, Iran and Turkey.

[Vol4ara]

The video clearly shows what kind of reconnaissance flight he made

[Looking for]

"Samostiynyk" - what can you see on this video stub?

[kapitan92]

in the role of the percussion instrument was a portable air defense system "Strela-2"

Judging by the video, it’s going low. Did the Haftar specialists not know about the existence of such complexes in their adversary?

MiG-23 carried out a reconnaissance mission in the area of ​​al-Zawiya.

Sent the pilot for slaughter! Are there UAVs?

[superman]

The pilot with a sour mine stands, and the locals have fun. That's kind of like savages.
But I’ll imagine for a second that each of them and their families could be torn apart by a rocket or bomb from a downed plane. I don’t know how I would behave myself, I don’t know if I thought about killing a pilot in any cruel way. And with the rest of him take a selfie. I probably would have been at least not funny. And they - nothing, laugh.

[Lunic]

A prisoner of war is a prisoner of war. No one has canceled the Convention. True barmaley and others like them do not care different conventions

[Neznaika]

Who cares - a big question.
I remind you that it was the USSR that did not recognize the Hague Convention of 1907 and refused to accede to the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War, which completed and put together the provisions of the Hague Rules.

[your1970]

Quote: Neznaika

Who cares - a big question.
I remind you that it was the USSR that did not recognize the Hague Convention of 1907 and refused to accede to the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War, which completed and put together the provisions of the Hague Rules.

Yes Yes Yes Yes!!!
Only now Germany has signed and MANDATORY comply with this convention (and out depending on whether the other party signed it or not) - it was exactly the same as the provisions of the Convention
There are no formulas in the text of the Conventions "English pilots and Soviet commissars should not be taken prisoner" ... there is no talk about death camps at all, just like about slave labor in Reich factories
This is quite enough:
"The maintenance of prisoners of war is entrusted to the government in whose power they are.
If there is no special agreement between the belligerents, then prisoners of war shall use the same food room and clothes like troops the government that took them prisoner. "

[opus]

Quote: Neznaika

I remember,

and I
At the International Conference in Geneva on July 27, 1929, the Conventions on the Treatment of Prisoners of War were adopted. and “On improving the fate of the wounded and sick in the army”
The convention "On improving the fate of the wounded and sick in active armies" by the leadership of the USSR It was recognized and entered into force for the Soviet Union on March 26, 1932.. The Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War, until the signing of the new convention in 1949, the leaders of the USSR did not recognize.

1th Hague Convention October 18, 1907 "On the laws and customs of war."
The chairman of the conference is the “First Commissioner” of the Russian delegation, the Russian ambassador in Paris, Doctor of Technical Sciences A. I. Nelidov., This USSR recognized
2. On March 19, 1931, the CEC and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR adopted the “Regulations on Prisoners of War,” which generally repeated the Convention, but which also had a number of differences. The Soviet government did not consider it necessary to sign the Convention because she joined the Hague conference containing all the most important provisions, as Geneva

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3. “On the treatment of prisoners of war”

The provisions of this convention must be respected by the high contracting parties in all circumstances.
If in case of war one of the belligerents does not appear to be a party to the convention, however, its provisions remain binding on all belligerents who have signed the convention

As Adolf observed it, we all know

[Alex Gunn]

Was intelligence, and so can destroy all the pilots on earth?

[Stalllker]

Savages anyway

[NordUral]

Yes. only stupid savages can exchange Gaddafi’s country of time for what they now have. Like we were thirty years ago.

[freddyk]

. Yes. only stupid savages can exchange Gaddafi’s country of time for what they now have. Like we were thirty years ago.

Everything is relative. I consider the ban on exit a big mistake of the Soviets. He had to be made free. Wishing very soon would be many times less. But strictly restrict entry back

[YOUR]

Ever since WWII, American pilots had a memo where it was recommended in case the plane was shot down trying to eject as far as possible from the place of the bombing.

[TANKISTONE]

And also the sewn "phrasebook":

[Prisoner]

In vain they are in Russian. For ours, this is actually an aggravating circumstance. It’s the same as alcohol.

[vindigo]

Wow! Even in Korean there! Well, there he will be taken where necessary)

[Deathmaker]

I’m trying to remember where I have the nearest American military unit for a similar case ... Something doesn’t come to my mind. However, it’s far to lead, maybe just a pipe in the dark?

[Geo⁣]

Quote: Deathmaker

I’m trying to remember where I have the nearest American military unit for a similar case ... Something doesn’t come to my mind.

Send a parcel

[Bad thing]

Better in parts.

[superman]

Quote: YOUR

Ever since WWII, American pilots had a memo where it was recommended in case the plane was shot down trying to eject as far as possible from the place of the bombing.

Exactly. And in the pilot’s eyes it is read that he doesn’t consider them for people, and they have fun. No matter how Islamist they are, everyone has their own truth. But behave like that with a man who was ready to bomb their village. With these antics, they are examples of humanism compared to what comes to my mind. They behave as if they have come to terms with the fact that today they are standing around a captive pilot, and tomorrow they will die from another bomb or shootout, and they only have to and now to laugh at all this and their lives. Looks like life there is completely worthless.

[Geo⁣]

Quote: superman

They act like they’ve humbled themselves

They behave as if they have no brain. Well, sobsno, it all fits together

[svp67]

Quote: superman

That's kind of like savages.

Yes, you, what ... "they do" as you can

Quote: superman

And they - nothing, laugh.

Well, "onizhedeti" ...

[superman]

Judging by the video below, the pilot Amer Yusuf Gadban successfully ejected, but was captured. As can be understood from the materials presented, there was no physical reprisal, however, the pilot went through moral bullying. Earlier, he himself promised to deal with the enemy, which was captured in a number of videos on social networks.

If for him the war is a reason to troll those who were flying to bomb on the net, then I would not be surprised if he deserved not these so-called. "moral bullying", and castration from the villagers that he bombed, whoever they were. If he behaved like that, then, IMHO, they still treated him humanely.

[kapitan92]

Quote: superman

A sour mine pilot stands

When the "Haftarites" took the pilot of the shot down fighter, and he turned out to be a mercenary from Portugal, his physiognomy, except for fear and fear, also expressed nothing.

[brr1]

Die bad

[rotmistr60]

It is possible that the Strela-2 MANPADS began to appear in the media precisely for the reason that Khalif Haftar is really trying to establish cooperation with Moscow. They say we are your plane and from the Soviet MANPADS. The pilot may be exchanged, although not a fact, since crazy there above the roof.

[Kaw]

Or maybe because apparently they are shooting at an airplane from Strela-2

[Thrifty]

From this civil war, only the United States benefits, for instability in the world is their strong point.

[superman]

Quote: Thrifty

This civil war only benefits

Russia supporting Haftar with money, weapons and mercenaries

Quote: Thrifty

for instability in the world is their hobby.

[Pavel57]

Not only Russia.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Rather, the pilot’s fault. Arabs Che take. From MANPADS on MIG-23? And at what altitude did the Arabian deer fly?

[tatarin1972]

I agree, in general, "Birch" should have yelled at him when he was just captured.

[Lesorub]

Quote: tatarin1972

I agree, in general, "Birch" should have yelled at him when he was just captured.

Birch "does not yell" when launching MANPADS)

[samarin1969]

Twenty years later, their tribal showdowns will collapse when resources run out. In the meantime - black military humor.
In the photo are typical revolutionaries.

[Fraracol_2]

Again, everything about nothing, where is it filmed, when, who was standing on whom? The only thing seems to be clear, someone, once, on someone started up Arrow. And something is burning on the earth. And everywhere everyone yells. That's it, point.

[glasha3032]

I agree with you, it painfully sounds like filming from Syria with a downed Su-25 of the Russian airborne forces ...

[DrVintorez]

Tell me, from which game is the screenshot in the picture in the headline of the news?

[awdrgy]

These guys in the photo behave inappropriately disgusting either drug addicts or problem orientation What kind of support audience do they expect by publishing such a photo?

[DRM]

As can be understood from the materials presented, there was no physical reprisal, but the pilot went through moral bullying. Earlier, he himself promised to deal with the enemy, which was captured in a number of videos on social networks.

Do not boast about going to the army. And they boasted when walking with rati.

[Gnefredov]

Here is the photo above ... I see a lot of wild monkeys and one person.
{Guys, I'm serious}.

[Prisoner]

Some kind of monkey around the prisoner. It is doubtful that these clowns are related to the attack. But in vain they so recklessly glow in the photo. The general will precisely open the primary genitals to them at the first opportunity.

[boss]

or they general sand deserts ...
there is such a mess slurred
the grandmother in two said hto whom, why, and why.
and the general’s offensive on tripoli, it’s kind of drowned

[senima56]

It is unlikely that the "Strela-2" worked the plane! In the video, she flew in his direction ... but most likely - did not catch up!

[Jack O'Neill]

Most likely, news with picks from Lock On from the same author.
Good sim.

[From Siberia we]

The pilot's horror lurked in his eyes. I thought high and fly fast, they won’t get it. But no .... landed.

[mlad]

Strange as it is, the noise of a receding aircraft is heard until the end of the video

[Just a Traveler]

Fools teach life ..... I'm talking about the pilot.

[Just a Traveler]

Quote: From Siberia we

The pilot's horror lurked in his eyes. I thought high and fly fast, they won’t get it. But no .... landed.

Fools and posers life quickly teaches ...