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In Poland, announced the desire to build a "tank of the future" together with Korea

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The Polish media published material that considers the possibility of arming the country's army "tanks of the future. " It is noted that initially the Poles paid attention to the German-French project to create a new generation tank, but now the armed forces "are forced to consider other options."


The reason, according to the Defense24 portal, is the fact that there is no 100 percent confidence in Poland being accepted into the program implemented by Germany and France. In addition, Warsaw is not satisfied with the deadlines set by Berlin and Paris. So, the program for creating promising armored vehicles was determined for the 2035 of the year, and the Poles, apparently, need to be "faster."

In this regard, the publication says that Poland "can build a tank of the future together with Korea." We are talking about a possible entry into the South Korean project to create a new version of the K2 Black Panther tank. It is noted that the Koreans plan to equip the tank with a new gun, a combat module with remote control, cameras and sensors for an 360-degree view.

The initial version of this tank for the South Korean army was adopted in 2014 year. To date, about 200 of such machines have already been produced. The tank is equipped with an 120-mm cannon from the German concern Rheinmetall with ammunition for 40 rounds, it has anti-tank guided KSTAM missiles, as well as machine guns 7,62 mm and 12,7 mm. The engine of the Korean tank is the Doosan Infracore DV27K with an output of 1,5 thousand hp. To date, the export price of this tank is estimated at 8,8 million dollars.

Previously, interest in buying this tank was shown in the Middle East, in particular in Qatar. In Poland, they say that K2 has a high modernization potential, and by the 2025 year, if a joint program for improving the tank were implemented, Polish tank units could be replenished with new versions of these armored vehicles in sufficient quantities.

The fact that South Korea offered Poland to enter the Black Panther modernization program is not reported.
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  1. Sergey39
    Sergey39 7 December 2019 10: 34
    +1
    Poles will build a "tank of the future" in the future. Fantastic squared.
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      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 7 December 2019 11: 02
        0
        The Poles have an army stronger than the Belarussian Special Military District. And Luka does not let us into Belarus, not our war, they say, etc.
        And meanwhile
        Kaliningrad O SD is under crossfire of NATO artillery.
        therefore, the COMPARISON of combat assets can only be theoretical. According to any sane deployment plans, the Russian troops are under a very tough blow, especially from Poland. But, somehow it is not customary to talk about this, referring to a nuclear bomb. But we have parity, so the fight will be conducted first until conventional means are exhausted, while only then .... But for some reason such an alignment in the Russian Federation is trying to keep silent. Like, for each additional NATO battalion in the Baltic States, we will respond with Iskander and Yars strikes. And there is NOTHING about the opposition with conventional forces.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 December 2019 11: 18
          -1
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Kaliningrad O SD is under crossfire of NATO artillery.

          And is still in its infancy. Now you can’t even throw Poles with caps.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 7 December 2019 14: 14
            +3
            Actually, "hating" is a dangerous thing. I didn't notice how they nailed you. Overestimating the enemy is harmful, and even more harmful is underestimating
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 7 December 2019 14: 58
              -1
              Quote: vladcub
              To overestimate the enemy is harmful, and even more harmful to underestimate

              They poked me, it's good, but when we feel bad. I had a movie "If tomorrow is war". Here I never forget, it is better to overestimate the enemy than not to underestimate.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 7 December 2019 15: 45
                +3
                I agree that this film is malicious. Once I spoke with one of the war veterans and he spoke with hatred about this film. I don’t remember the details. It seems that he watched this film a day or two before the start of the war, and then on June 22 and endless retreats. Imagine how bitter they were to remember this film.
        2. Alien From
          Alien From 7 December 2019 11: 24
          -3
          Logs are stupid guys, it's time to understand already, well, the Russian land does not accept them, does not accept ...... in any form ......
          1. Grits
            Grits 7 December 2019 17: 45
            +3
            Quote: Alien From
            Logs are stupid guys, it's time to understand already, well, the Russian land does not accept them, does not accept ...... in any form ......

            Really? I think that in the form of manure is very good. Which often happened.
            1. Alien From
              Alien From 7 December 2019 17: 47
              +1
              Of these, the stinky dung is painfully obtained))
        3. hydrox
          hydrox 7 December 2019 11: 37
          0
          Those who need it - they understand that Iskander and Yars are primarily tactical small-caliber nuclear weapons and the operation of even one of them will cause an immediate stupor for ALL participants in the conflict and a desire to understand without further use of nuclear weapons
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 7 December 2019 12: 43
            +4
            "that Iskander and Yars" ////
            ----
            Iskander - tactical BR.
            Yars - ICBM.
            Why did you combine them?
            You can start Iskander with a nuclear warhead
            state as a warning.
            But the launch of Yars will cause a global nuclear war.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 7 December 2019 13: 06
              0
              I have combined them according to the class "light" (or medium-radius - as you prefer) - then everything according to your text. In principle, conventional warheads can be attached to Yars: the destruction is small, but the psychological (sobering) effect may be. huge
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 7 December 2019 13: 09
                +2
                On Yars - it is impossible.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 7 December 2019 16: 17
                  0
                  Is Yars calculated ONLY AS YAO ??
                  1. Grits
                    Grits 7 December 2019 17: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: hydrox
                    Is Yars designed ONLY AS YAO ??

                    Almost yes. Because if Yars starts to take off, it is spotted and this is immediately positioned as launching an ICBM. Without asking what kind of warhead there is and in what design. With the corresponding launch of response funds, it is not too late.
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 7 December 2019 19: 33
                      0
                      Thank you, but I'm very discouraged.
                      It is in non-nuclear performance that Yars is simply necessary in the development of events preceding the outbreak of the war and precisely in order to cool excessively overheated and therefore slowly working brains - and yes, this is the last step before using nuclear weapons in Sarmatians, Vanguards, and other truly terrible carriers.
                      Or is the use of "hyper" accepted as the last warning?
                      1. Grits
                        Grits 8 December 2019 03: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: hydrox
                        Thank you, but I'm very discouraged.
                        It is in non-nuclear performance that Yars is simply necessary in the development of events preceding the outbreak of the war and precisely in order to cool excessively overheated and therefore slowly working brains - and yes, this is the last step before using nuclear weapons in Sarmatians, Vanguards, and other truly terrible carriers.
                        Or is the use of "hyper" accepted as the last warning?

                        Quite the contrary - Russia is categorically against such a decision - the deployment of non-nuclear ammunition on ICBMs. Why for some reason the USA really desired. Because it is sooooooooo dangerous. Now everything is clear and understandable - if the ICBM takes off the bases of preliminary approvals (as is done before the exercises), then the opposite side has literally minutes to make a decision. Otherwise, their launchers, mines, control centers will be destroyed and the answer will not be sufficient or will not follow at all. Therefore, the decision is made very quick - the start of all nuclear-powered ICBMs. What follows will be known to all - we will go to heaven, they will simply die.
                      2. hydrox
                        hydrox 8 December 2019 08: 43
                        +1
                        It's a pity, I hoped that we had warning lines in stock - it turns out that there are none, and all because of the US treachery and their incontinence ("we want - we give, we want - we take back") and yes, because of optionality and deceit.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 7 December 2019 15: 00
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              You can start Iskander with a nuclear warhead
              state as a warning.
              But the launch of Yars will cause a global nuclear war.

              Everything possible must be done so as not to run them.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 8 December 2019 08: 45
                +1
                I can’t understand what De Bill might NOT like in your comment that they took to minus him ... request
        4. 4ekist
          4ekist 7 December 2019 12: 35
          +2
          Do you propose to dig up the Kaliningrad region with trenches and send a millionth military contingent there and ambush it?
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 7 December 2019 13: 09
            -2
            Quote: 4ekist
            Do you propose to dig up the Kaliningrad region with trenches and send a millionth military contingent there and ambush it?

            Do you have another option, to aim a large missile at Poland? During the times of Warsaw Dog. This option did not work, and we also had to keep the most combat-ready part of the army in the countries of the "Commonwealth". What has radically changed since then, "Iskander" replaced "Tochka"?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 7 December 2019 15: 02
              -2
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              ? During the times of Warsaw Dog. such a variant did not work, it was also necessary to keep the most efficient part of the army in the countries of the "Commonwealth"

              It was a lot. If I am not mistaken, there were only six tank armies.
        5. hydrox
          hydrox 7 December 2019 13: 18
          +1
          There is a small gap in your reasoning.
          The Americans (NATO) have two points (Deveselu and Redzikovo), which will be attacked by small nuclear charges in any scenario of the outbreak of war, even before the use of conventional means, which can have a cooling effect.
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 7 December 2019 15: 53
            -3
            How it will interfere with a possible conflict in the Kaliningrad area. Like anybody else. If Russia hits the missile defense radars, then this is for any attack on NATO sovereignty. This is not a cooling, but the hottest scenario. At the same time, the boats of the United States and possibly Israel will begin to receive codes for launching. The merit of the USSR is that we we can shoot each other from a long distance. But the NATO attack from the directions "Poland" and "Lithuania" consists in taking advantage of the weakened or micro-friendly state of power in the Russian Federation .... ... ... the troops of the United States America, in order to ensure the protection of NATO members and in order to ensure democratic rights and freedoms, can begin an amphibious assault on Red Square and near Arzamas ... Immerse yourself in history, there the USSR continuously waged war with the United States. It came to open confrontation, but our countries never slumped before an open military escalation. If in the sky, then Li xi qing, if on the ground, then the courage of the Korean / Vietnamese, Korean or Cuban-Nicaraguan volunteers /. If you noticed, then NATO expansion is hindered by several corner points on the map: Tiraspol, Donbas, the Georgian Caucasus, Russian Kushka. The points are different according to the situation, but they can read the signal sent to NATO. So there is no gap. War is not only the work of guns and other mechanisms. Information war for influence, cyberattacks on minds and technology, the fifth heel of any authoritarian regime is a revolution. NATO does not use these methods in a sequence that is undefined for us, including military involvement.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 7 December 2019 16: 25
              +1
              A military invasion will be stopped, not yet begun, providing a strike (not excluding the nuclear component) at decision centers, for which the Iskander and Yars serve - this was repeatedly repeated in various interpretations by representatives of various branches of the Russian government.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 8 December 2019 09: 27
              0
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              NATO will not use these methods in an indefinite sequence for us, including military intervention.

              I agree with your comment. NATO is like a loaded shotgun hanging on a wall.
        6. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 8 December 2019 05: 10
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          The Poles have a stronger army than the Belorussian

          what I wonder who do you want this noodle yes ears ???? wassat wassat lol lol lol
      2. 4ekist
        4ekist 7 December 2019 12: 44
        +1
        Poles in their own style. Poland as the center of the universe. We watched the ancient Polish film "Four Tankists and a Dog", which was banned in Poland. They are in the war like on a walk, brave, smart, funny. The enemy simply flees from them, without them, nowhere.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 December 2019 13: 23
          -4
          I must admit that Poland has the most powerful army in Europe at the moment, and given that they will spend another 42 billion euros on weapons in the coming years, it will become even more modern and powerful.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 7 December 2019 16: 49
            0
            The most powerful army in Russia, and you can go to serve in the Polish army, they will show you WHO YOU AND WHAT YOU (if you stay alive laughing ), if you do not have the Russian army behind you.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 8 December 2019 09: 30
              0
              Quote: hydrox
              The most powerful army in Russia, and you can go to serve in the Polish army, they will show you WHO YOU AND WHAT YOU (if you stay alive) if you do not have the Russian army behind you.

              Guys, what a kindergarten, again "If tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is a campaign."
          2. Grits
            Grits 7 December 2019 17: 54
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            I must admit that Poland has the most powerful army in Europe at the moment

            I would not be so categorical. By the way, before World War II, it was also believed that the Polish army was a great force, and the Germans would not compete with it sweetly. But where was this great power?
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 7 December 2019 19: 38
              +2
              In vain you are trying to communicate with him: this is a liberoid to the brain ... and I don’t know if it is?
              It has never seemed to you that the offensive "pshek" is a derivative of the word "pshik", i.e. will hiss and go out?
              So it was with the Poles: they were held for the army, but received "zilch". laughing
              1. Grits
                Grits 8 December 2019 03: 27
                +3
                Quote: hydrox
                It has never seemed to you that the offensive "pshek" is a derivative of the word "pshik", i.e. will hiss and go out?
                So it was with the Poles: they were held for the army, but they got "pshik

                It is quite logical.
          3. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 8 December 2019 05: 19
            +6
            Quote: Vadim237
            I must admit that Poland has the most powerful army in

            when you have a prostitute country, it’s better not to talk about her army at all !!! wink wassat wassat wassat they and at the beginning WWII had an army ... but the sense of it was a lope ??? negative negative negative
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 8 December 2019 09: 04
              -4
              Difficult question: At the beginning of the 90s we had an ARMY, by the end of the 90s it was difficult to put on the concept of "volunteer corps" - after all, Russia was a prostitute all this time !!
              In the zeros, this process stopped, then went backward, but in the wrong direction ... the armed forces became an ARMY, but the country remained ... in a very bad condition :: with a shitty social network, a worthless entity, a bankrupt economy and a poor population ...
              The population is especially sorry, because SUCH COUNTRY will not live long under such a rule (too many people still remember 1917-22 (the history of good textbooks was taught and memory has not disappeared!)), But people with exorbitantly high income levels have grown enormously - it's time to shorten ...
    2. Bar2
      Bar2 7 December 2019 10: 53
      +5
      In Poland, announced the desire to build a "tank of the future" together with Korea


      dipped, why not with Australia or Brazil? All the same guns, engines and armor will be German.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 7 December 2019 11: 10
        -2
        Quote: Bar2
        dipped, why not with Australia or Brazil?

        Why not? And here is the passing beam, the usual cooperation, for example: Russia has provided China with technologies that will allow the Celestial Empire to equip its destroyers with high-tech weapons. It is noted that China is modernizing the only Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.
        1. Bar2
          Bar2 7 December 2019 11: 13
          +6
          Quote: RUSS
          Why not? And here is the passing beam, the usual cooperation, for example: Russia has provided China with technologies that will allow the Celestial Empire to equip its destroyers with high-tech weapons. It is noted that China is modernizing the only Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.


          But can you link that Russia provided China, some kind of technology, and that the Chinese are modernizing Kuznetsov?
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 7 December 2019 12: 23
            +1
            Quote: Bar2
            But can you link that Russia provided China, some kind of technology, and that the Chinese are modernizing Kuznetsov?

            http://by24.org/2019/01/02/admiral_kouznetsov_goes_to_china_for_repair/
            1. Bar2
              Bar2 7 December 2019 13: 33
              +3
              Quote: RUSS
              http://by24.org/2019/01/02/admiral_kouznetsov_goes_to_china_for_repair/


              did you pay attention to the date? this is january 2019 How would the year end, but Kuznetsov is still there. A lie?
              As for engines, in general, Russia does not transfer engine technology to China, because Russia itself does not make marine engines, but rather buys Chinese diesel engines on its Buyan M, so, like, damn it again.
              https://topwar.ru/145570-vesla-na-vodu-o-sostojanii-dvigatelestroenija-dlja-korablej-v-rossii-chast-1.html
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 December 2019 11: 30
          +2
          Quote: RUSS
          And why not?

          Because Koreans do not need such attempts to "fall on the tail" at all
        3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 7 December 2019 11: 58
          0
          I join the question of the respected Bar2.
          Who and when reported on the transfer of weapons technology by Russia for Chinese destroyers in exchange for China's modernization of "Admiral Kuznetsov" for Russia?
        4. Prisoner
          Prisoner 7 December 2019 12: 30
          +1
          Even if so? Although it is doubtful. Where is the Russian Federation and China, and where are the Poles and South Korea? China is our neighbor, actually.
    3. Finches
      Finches 7 December 2019 11: 00
      +7
      Most of all I liked the last phrase - most likely the South Koreans really do not know that the Poles are going to build something with them ... According to the law of the genre, tomorrow a note should appear in the Ukrainian news that the third builder of the "tank of the future" can be said to be the main will be Ukrainians! laughing
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 7 December 2019 11: 06
        +5
        Zhenya, salute! hi drinks
        Quote: Finches
        South Koreans are really not aware that the Poles are going to build something with them ..

        The classic scheme: "They married me without me." Pans in their repertoire. yes
        1. Finches
          Finches 7 December 2019 11: 09
          -2
          Hi Pash! drinks The Poles also have a stupid habit - when there is no help, they must be invented! Or maybe the Americans ordered to get into this project - so that the Poles would fit into the Americans with another loan. Poles don’t have their money for expensive toys! And no one asks Koreans at all laughing
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 7 December 2019 11: 11
            +4
            Yes, there are a lot of options, only it is not clear what will come of such gestures (and whether something will come out other than "zilch") ... request
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 7 December 2019 11: 44
              -3
              Only not zilch, but "psheka" - that pshek will come out of the consortium without fail (he has much less money than the Indians) - however, where he will go is unknown, but most likely, under the fence (there is no money, and there they will be gone! ))
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 7 December 2019 12: 33
        +2
        laughing As Vinokur said: "There will be a surprise."
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 7 December 2019 20: 52
          +7
          Ayrat hi
          As Vinokur said: "There will be a surprise."

          I only fear that the descendants of Sharik (Four tankmen and a dog) should not be sacrificed for the joint project. Still, a memorable film, and Sharik was born in the Union.
      3. vladcub
        vladcub 7 December 2019 14: 23
        +1
        In fact, Kharkov is located in Ukraine, and there was an excellent tank design bureau. The documentation remained there, still there were personnel, and if there is adequate funding, they can do a lot
      4. white.eagle
        white.eagle 9 December 2019 00: 00
        0
        https://www.monch.com/mpg/news/land/4089-msspo-k2.html
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 December 2019 11: 32
      -3
      Quote: Sergey39
      Poles will build a "tank of the future" in the future. Fantastic squared.

      Of all the types of moving equipment, the Poles have experience building bicycles. In Soviet times, the Poles produced the most famous producer in Poland at that time was the Warsaw FSO Fabryka Samochodow Osobowych. It is interesting, but for almost the entire time the plant has been producing licensed variations on cars from other countries!
      The history of the enterprise began in 1951. The first vehicle under the FSO brand was Warszawa - the Polish version of the Soviet "Victory" GAZ M-20. And suddenly the release of the "tank of the future". Dangerous proximity to "Error 404" brought the virus into Polish minds.
      1. URAL72
        URAL72 7 December 2019 12: 10
        +2
        Well, actually, in Poland, the T-72 was also built under license, then it was modernized in the RT-91 Tvard. In general, their military-industrial complex, unlike the Ukrainian one, has survived and is even developing. Even the aircraft industry has been preserved. Their defense costs are substantial, I would not underestimate them.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 December 2019 12: 15
          -3
          Quote: URAL72
          In general, their military-industrial complex, unlike the Ukrainian one, has survived and is even developing. Even the aircraft industry has been preserved.

          Say what you like, but Poland was still a successful European country for hundreds of years, and what and who Ukraine was, we all know, but we will not remind the touchy Ukrainians about it.
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 8 December 2019 05: 21
            +3
            Quote: tihonmarine
            but Poland was still a successful European country for hundreds of years,

            what what is that why it has been shared so many times ??? recourse wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 8 December 2019 09: 19
              -2
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              is that why it has been shared so many times ???

              Then they divided it not for economic development, but for scum, and arrogance.
      2. Chilean Abalon
        Chilean Abalon 7 December 2019 12: 41
        +1
        They also made vans Beetle and Nysa. Trucks Elch. Buses Autosan. Now Solaris buses and trolleybuses are produced, which are very well sold throughout Europe. But the main thing about bicycles is to go to you.
      3. Svarog51
        Svarog51 7 December 2019 20: 56
        +7
        They produced tanks, albeit under license. If they rethink the concept in their own way, they will be able to establish production. I have only one question - can the hardware be equipped with modern electronics?
    5. Thrifty
      Thrifty 7 December 2019 11: 59
      -2
      Let them build together with ukroinoy, taking as a basis the tank "dung" !!!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 7 December 2019 12: 29
        -4
        Quote: Thrifty
        Let them build together with ukroinoy, based on the tank "dung"!

        The Poles were the Kingdom of Poland, and the rest was all that there was no trace of "dung".
    6. Quadro
      Quadro 7 December 2019 14: 43
      +1
      In 1939, Poland was also one of the strongest armies in Europe, but we all know how it all ended and how quickly, everyone knows the present "skill" of the Pshek (how they did not really achieve anything in the allied forces). So finish your "no hats." Why now shake and huddle in a corner, o sluggish Poles will defeat us? By the way, naive Chukchi youths should remember that the RF nuclear weapons will also be used in the event of a threat to the existence of the state, they don't even need them to be the first to use it, a NATO attack will already be a threat to existence. Of course, I will grab the car of minuses, but you can continue to be at peace with a horse in a vacuum, where infantry and tanks with artillery will fight, "in a gentleman's way."
  2. Flooding
    Flooding 7 December 2019 10: 37
    +2
    Restless Poles. "Anders" has already been buried, not pulled out.
    But ambition has not gone anywhere. Swung by the generation of NEXT.
  3. Pivot
    Pivot 7 December 2019 10: 37
    +1
    Let them build, I hope the arms race will drown them.
  4. water
    water 7 December 2019 10: 37
    -4
    Probably Poland has nothing to enter into this project except financing, how is the Polish heavy industry there after entering the EU? although Poland’s economy is the undisputed leader in eastern Europe, it’s probably still a purchase, similar to US partners in f 35.
    1. maidan.izrailovich
      maidan.izrailovich 7 December 2019 10: 53
      +1
      ... Poland's economy is the undisputed leader in eastern Europe .....

      All of Eastern Europe survives thanks to EU subsidies. And this is 90% German money.
      It would be more accurate to say that Poland is the leader in Eastern Europe in terms of subsidies. lol
  5. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 7 December 2019 10: 40
    -1
    Why not with Germany?
    Korean tanks are full of German developments.
    The main armament is a 120-mm tank gun with a barrel length of 55 calibers. Developed by South Korean Defense Development Agency based on the German Rh-120 and manufactured by Hyundai Wia ....
    ..... The Black Panther uses the new EuroPowerPack engine and transmission system with german diesel engine MTU MB-883 Ka-500 with a capacity of 1500 liters. with. Developments by MTU Friedrichshafen [14] and automatic five-speed transmission developed by the German company Renk.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/К2_«Чёрная_пантера»
    Apparently Polish "pride" does not allow to cooperate with those from whom you demand money.
    1. water
      water 7 December 2019 10: 59
      -1
      Korean is more sophisticated and there is a lot of basic and basic, and there are a lot of other things in yut that have videos on Korean.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 December 2019 11: 36
      -2
      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
      Why not with Germany?

      And when the Germans looked in the Polish direction positively throughout history.
  6. askort154
    askort154 7 December 2019 10: 46
    +2
    Poles do not trust the NATO roof ?! crying
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 7 December 2019 21: 12
      +7
      Alexander hi How to trust? Poland bought "Leopards", but they did not show themselves in Syria. The Korean did not fight - maybe they will be better. It is expensive to buy, maybe it will ride through a joint project? They can provide the South Koreans with a test site. There were German "Panthers", now the South Korean ones will run in.
    2. water
      water 7 December 2019 21: 15
      +2
      Although the South Caucasus is not a member of NATO, military dependence on the United States is greater than any member. The country is fully occupied and bound by enslaving military treaties.
  7. knn54
    knn54 7 December 2019 10: 46
    +3
    Buy Panov (like the Turks) a license to manufacture .. Or further "meditate" on PL-01. The THIRD, it seems, is not given.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 7 December 2019 10: 59
    +3
    Interestingly, but the Poles do not know that according to some, EVERYTHING ENDS with tanks on the battlefields ???
    Now so many anti-tank weapons are being created that the tank, in order to survive, will have to become a solid block of iron or hang with protective equipment so that it will have to be moved from its place with the help of an "atomic engine", and the crew, cannon and everything else will not be crammed there ANYWHERE!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 December 2019 11: 49
      -2
      Quote: rocket757
      Now so many anti-tank weapons are being created that the tank, in order to survive, will have to become a solid block of iron

      And proceeding from the data on the Second World War, the life of a tank in the offensive is 7 minutes, and in the defense for 15 minutes, then I have a feeling that the Polish military know about the tank war from the CF "Four Tankmen and a Dog".
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 December 2019 11: 00
    -3
    And the Poles generally built at least one tank in the last hundred years? I know airplanes, made PZL of various modifications, but I don’t remember something about tanks.
    1. Zliy_mod
      Zliy_mod 7 December 2019 11: 38
      -1
      Before the war, they built the 7ТР Polish analogue of Christie’s tank, we had a line of BT tanks.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 December 2019 12: 09
      -3
      Quote: Ros 56
      I know airplanes, made PZL of various modifications, but I don’t remember something about tanks.

      Why did the Poles need tanks during WWII in 1939, they destroyed German tanks with anti-tank lances. The principle of operation of such a lance was extremely simple - you only had to jump to the tank, hit it with a lance, and that's it. The rest will be completed for you by a grenade, which directs the energy from the explosion only to the point at which the blow was struck. It turns out that the cavalryman who destroyed the tank in this way remains safe and sound. Poles still have a "great fake"
      In the battle of Kroyant participated 10 German tank division. She was attacked by Polish cavalry with spades. In just 15 minutes, 184 German tanks were destroyed, which amounted to about 75 percent of the division. modernization of peaks and forward.
      True to this, Heinz Guderian, who personally encountered the Polish Lancers, wrote a report to Hitler that his tanks, having encountered the Pomeranian cavalry brigade, which attacked them with knives, simply passed through them without even noticing.
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 7 December 2019 16: 39
      0
      Judging by the minuses, we here Lyakhov divorced nemeryanno, and offended if minus for the question. Haha, Little Red Riding Hood said and thought the opposite. laughing
  10. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 7 December 2019 11: 00
    0
    Koreans have a whole change house with some kind of whistle fake frivolous. Is military equipment more rational?
  11. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 December 2019 11: 01
    0
    Is a new group on the horizon of world tank building? Oh well...
  12. Aliken
    Aliken 7 December 2019 11: 10
    0
    Each Pole has a tank.
    1. Starper-xnumx
      Starper-xnumx 7 December 2019 11: 18
      +1
      Quote: Aliken
      Each Pole has a tank.

      And the dog (German shepherd))) ha ha ha
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 7 December 2019 21: 15
        +7
        R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ hi Ball - East Siberian Shepherd Dog. Remember how he roared at a tiger in the first episode. Not a tank, but a beast.
  13. Basarev
    Basarev 7 December 2019 11: 16
    -5
    It will be funny when the Poles completely rearm on tanks of the third generation, and we still have the main T-72.
  14. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 7 December 2019 11: 17
    0
    In Poland, announced the desire to build a "tank of the future" together with Korea

    Well done, of course, Psheks, but the main crew in Tank is that he should be a machine gunner hehe
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 7 December 2019 21: 18
      +8
      Vitaly, did you mean this? hi
  15. Al Asad
    Al Asad 7 December 2019 11: 18
    +3
    But what about the Polish stealth tank PL-01 introduced in 2013?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 December 2019 13: 24
      +1
      Just a sample - a demonstrator.
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 7 December 2019 14: 46
      +1
      It’s just that you can’t even call it a full-fledged tank, at first they generally put beautifully sheets on some BMP / BTR. And what was supposed not even pulled on a full-fledged MBT.
  16. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 7 December 2019 11: 45
    -1
    And where the Poles want to rush into the tank of the future, we must rely on the East. It’s already interestingly considered how far he will have time to go before he turns into a pile of charred metal.
  17. cniza
    cniza 7 December 2019 12: 05
    +4
    The fact that South Korea offered Poland to enter the Black Panther modernization program is not reported.


    They climb without soap ...
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 7 December 2019 21: 21
      +7
      Victor hi Ball ... crying sorry. They will devour, but they will not. recourse
      1. cniza
        cniza 8 December 2019 08: 33
        +3
        Greetings! hi they really want to, but will it work out if no one invites them.
  18. Klingon
    Klingon 7 December 2019 12: 26
    +1
    So the Psheks showed the whole world the super-duper tank PL-01 or changed their minds about riveting it?
    cheto quickly blown away wassat
  19. A.K.
    A.K. 7 December 2019 12: 59
    0
    We have already built this tank. And let the rest plan for the future
  20. Jarserge
    Jarserge 7 December 2019 14: 47
    +1
    "In Poland, they declared their desire to build a" tank of the future "together with Korea" And also a spaceship with the Martians and an aircraft carrier with the Americans .......
  21. vladcub
    vladcub 7 December 2019 14: 59
    +1
    What is "black panther" '- an early version of Leo1, and Leo himself is the "son" of the Tiger.
    To whom else, but for me in the world only 2 tank schools "rule": ours and the German, and everything else is either "imitations" or a good car, such as "Abrosha" or the frog Leclerc, but number two
  22. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 7 December 2019 15: 10
    +2
    Poland will not survive the next war, but they still climb on the rampage, suicides))
  23. Romanenko
    Romanenko 7 December 2019 19: 13
    +1
    Well, yes, the Koreans will build a tank, and the Poles will paint
    and the white eagle on the tower will stick
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 7 December 2019 21: 27
      +8
      The new "Four ... or three? Tankmen and a dog" Sharik will no longer be with such developers. crying
  24. NF68
    NF68 8 December 2019 15: 05
    0
    So, the program for creating promising armored vehicles is defined for 2035, and the Poles, apparently, need "faster."


    Only cats will be born quickly. And some more rodents.