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Boris Murukin, Soviet Finn

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Boris Murukin, Soviet Finn

At the forefront of the units of the 100th Infantry Division of the Red Army on the Karelian Isthmus


Pine tree on the slopes curls
Frontier mean outlook.
Take us, Suomi, beauty
In a necklace of transparent lakes!

Breaking Tanks wide cuts
Airplanes circling in the clouds
Low sun of autumn
Lights the bayonet lights.

We used to fraternize with victories
And again we carry in battle
On the roads paved with grandfathers
Red star glory.

A lot of lies over the years
To confuse the Finnish people.
Now reveal to us trustingly
Halves of the wide gate!

Neither the jesters nor the fools scribblers
Do not embarrass your hearts anymore.
Your homeland was taken more than once -
We have come to return it to you.

We come to help you deal
To pay with interest for shame.
Take us, Suomi, beauty
In a necklace of transparent lakes!
Lyrics: Anatoly D'Actil (Frenkel), music: Daniel and Dmitry Pokrass



Record with a song

Fictionalized история. Did you notice that in the song cited as an epigraph, it is about early autumn? Because in Finland, after November 7, in those years it was already a deep winter. And the war began on November 30, right? But the song still had to be written, approved by the appropriate authorities, which required more than one or two days. So the "liberation" was in the snow! There was no global warming then. But songwriters ... fall. Funny, isn't it? But this is the introduction to the theme of the Finnish war. Because recently there were several “imperial” articles about this war on “VO”, and I would like to supplement them. Especially since there is something ... Besides this song.

And my story in this material will be this time somewhat unusual. Usually I always know where I get what in my texts. And then the story is this: when I wrote my novel in the genre of alternative history, “If Hitler had taken Moscow ...” (the second edition of “We die near Moscow, or the Swastika over the Kremlin”), I naturally needed information about the war. Interesting, unusual, "romance". Where to get? Information on establishing the release of "Katyusha" in Penza is not a cart at the plant them. Frunze was found in the archive. A book on the military route of the Penza division is in the library of the museum of local lore. Its employees regularly publish such books. Well, he began to look at the regional newspaper Young Leninist, in which journalist Vladimir Verzhbovsky regularly published local history materials, including memoirs of our fellow countrymen from the regional state archive. And it was there that I came across material about the “Soviet Finns”. It is clear that one-on-one could not be used. Therefore, it was literary processed, that is, somewhat "fictionalized." Not much so that historicism is not lost, but by a few percent. That is, the numbers are all correct, the events are one to one, but the form has changed very significantly.


Cooking in the cold

And now I read articles on the Finnish war on VO and thought: but I have very interesting material about the events of that war. Of course, many have read my novel, “Let’s die ...”, but why not rewrite this passage from it again and publish it with a high level of novelty? I am sure that for many this will be very interesting. Firstly, not everyone read this novel. Secondly, human memory is imperfect. After 90 days + 1 day, 80% of people forget 90% of what is written. But what remains in their memory after 365 days? But this is not 100% documented material. That is, the surname of the main participant is undeniable, the fact of the presence of “Soviet Finns” is undeniable. But did Murukin hear the words of the Mehlis? The newspaper "Young Leninist" about this could well be. But where am I going to look for newspapers for 2002, when this novel was written, and is it worth it? So, there may be something and slightly changed. But, I repeat, lightly, within the framework of the Advego-Plagiarist electronic system, and nothing more!


Bask and cook

Private Boris Murukin was drafted into the ranks of the Red Army in 1939. And in the fall, and immediately sent to the 106th Infantry Division, which was near Leningrad. At first he ended up in an artillery regiment, but here the regimental special officer, apparently digging through his papers and focusing on his name, most decisively changed his fate. “We are sending you to the front, comrade fighter, to the Finnish army,” he said sternly into his eyes, and pursed his lips pointedly. - It's a serious matter, so do not dissolve the language. And here sign the non-disclosure. ” Murukin only managed to read the words: “I undertake not to divulge state and military secrets ...”, as he immediately signed it. And already on November 23, 1939, he found himself in a completely different part, although also standing near Leningrad.

And all this happened only because Comrade Stalin had a brilliant idea at that time, namely: to create another 16th Karelian-Finnish Soviet Republic in the USSR! For what it was required to take a piece of territory from Finland and combine it with the lands of our Karelians. Finnish communists, ready for anything in order to get into power, were at hand with him. All that remained was to create a Finnish army of liberation, which would become the shock force of the new government of the "lake country".


Harmonists on a blown up pillbox

Another friend, still civilian, people's commissar Voroshilov, immediately gave the corresponding order, after which they began to gather people from all over the country with Scandinavian roots. And when it became clear that they weren’t gaining anything, the “remnants” were acquired by Russians, Ukrainians, and even Kazakhs and Uzbeks. Thus, Boris Murukin, a native of the village of Telegin of the Penza Region, and in common parlance the most ordinary penny, but by the will of his superiors became Finnish! Although, in the 106th division, there was such a dialogue: “Are you a Finn?” - the soldiers asked the newcomer a question, since they really wanted to see the Finns. - “That neither! I’m so hvin, I am Ukrainian! ”


Trophy guns captured by the Red Army

All the Finns were gathered in a military town isolated from the rest of the units and dressed in strange and unusual uniforms. Boys from villages and steppes examined her with amazement. Orphaned Soviet tunics didn’t even stand next to Finnish uniforms. French jackets with large pockets from English cloth, the same pants, boots made of good leather and earflaps - looked simply gorgeous. But the most surprising were shoulder straps. After all, there was no epaulette in the Red Army. True, the soldiers of the 106th several times because of this form fell into trouble. The fact is that for some reason they were released on dismissal in the same form, and local residents not only “squinted” at them, but mistook their spiritual simplicity for spies and handed over to the police.

In addition to the new uniform, everyone was given Russian-Finnish phrasebooks and told them to study. Then the “national” army appeared with its own anthem: “Neither liars nor fools scribblers can confuse Finnish hearts anymore. They took your homeland more than once. We are coming to return it! ”All the soldiers were ordered to know him by heart.


Trophy Finnish FT-17

Despite all the efforts, on November 20, 1939 the divisional commissioner Vashugin nevertheless informed “upstairs” that “although we tried very hard, the Finns themselves were only 60 percent ...” And what was Voroshilova doing here? It is clear that he reconciled and reported to Stalin that the “army” of the Finns was fully equipped. Well, such a tradition has been in Russia for centuries, to do a part, but to inform the top that the work has been completed. He was not the first, on this path, he was not the last ...

In December, the future liberators of the Finnish people were placed in the city of Terioki. “The boredom there was simply mortal,” Boris Timofeevich subsequently recalled. - It seems to be like everyone forgot about us. For a long time they were not thrown into battle at all. We became timidly interested in why this is so. And in reply to us: your task is not to fight, but to solemnly march into Helsinki! And the soldiers of the 106th languished from idleness. And it led to what’s known: drunkenness and drunken fights began. As a result, two soldiers were even given to the tribunal. ”

Then came December 21 - a great holiday, the 60th anniversary of Comrade Stalin, and in each unit soldiers were appointed who needed to write him a letter of congratulation. Boris was one of those elected - he was sent from the regiment. However, he himself did not need to write anything. The text was ready and began with the words: "To the great friend of the Finnish people, Comrade Stalin ..." Murukin was supposed to sign the letter. And in total, no less than 5775 people signed up!


Solemn meeting of the unit of skiers of the Red Army, who fought on the Karelian Isthmus, in Leningrad

At the beginning of the winter of 1940, Boris was transferred by a sound engineer to a special loud-speaking installation mounted on a wheeled van. There was a control panel with a microphone, a player, and a set of records. There were various patriotic songs there, but there were also very special disks on which the sounds of passing cars were recorded, the buzz of tanks ... And when it was turned on on quiet frosty nights, the sound from the speakers was heard for seven kilometers. Thus, the Finns were misled: they say, the Russians are transferring military equipment to the front.

Once Murukin was sent to intelligence. It was necessary at night to "rummage" in the rear of the enemy and take the "tongue". And they took the “language”, and under the scouts they began to interrogate. But he did not answer any of the questions asked to him. Just for cash weapons in its part, first spat on the floor, and then said: “Enough to shoot you dogs!”

Then the platoon that Boris served in was supposed to go to the Finnish side at night with the stuffed bags stuffed with leaflets, where it was written in Finnish and Russian: “Surrender, kill your commanders!” It was necessary to prick them on tree branches. There was a severe frost, and many fighters froze their legs and arms.


Strange photo. Maybe it was not just him showing how our soldiers went to the Finnish rear to hang leaflets on the branches?

Several times Lev Mehlis came to part of Murukin. It so happened that on one of the sections of the front the attack was choked, and Mehlis then personally shot the battalion commander and three commanders of the company “for cowardice” in front of the formation. And then Murukin was also “lucky”: he became an unwitting witness to the conversation between Lev Zakharovich and Commissioner Vashugin. Mehlis nervously walked around the room and shouted: “Your Finns and Karelians are such a rabble that it would be better if they killed them all!” You can only rely on the Russians! ”Our penny broke cold sweat from fear. But he was lucky to leave the dugout unnoticed, and you never know what could be attributed to him with a hot hand!


These books were published by the staff of the Penza Museum of Local Lore. This one, for example, about the combat route of the 62nd and 277th rifle divisions was published in 2015. Memories, excerpts from diaries, documents - that's it. It would seem a find for a historian, take it and use it, and even a journalist - a gift of fate. But ... alas. It is written “in such a language”, there are so many things crammed into it that it’s just hard to read, and working with it is even harder, in fact you have to rewrite it all over. Alas, this also happens when you want to write and it seems like “maybe”, but there’s no skill. The book does not take for the soul, but should

Unfortunately, but rather, fortunately, Murukin was wounded by a mine fragment and sent to the hospital for treatment, and from it to his native Penza - to be healed. There he met on June 22, 1941, and immediately ran to the draft board. But he was not sent to the front immediately, but as an experienced soldier he was sent to the 354th Infantry Division, formed from natives of the Penza region, to train new recruits.

PS It would be interesting to see documents on this “Soviet-Finnish part” in the MO archive. They should be there. But this will already be the case of young researchers who may read this material on VO.
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  1. sergo1914
    sergo1914 21 December 2019 06: 15
    +20
    Of course, many have read my novel



    You flatter yourself. Many have not read. And they’re not going to.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 21 December 2019 06: 41
      +6
      We'll have to look, the author knows how to write "curly", something like Radzinsky. )))
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 21 December 2019 06: 56
        +12
        Yes, I looked. Surprisingly, anti-retinal does not hurt the eyes, although it is present in commercial quantities. But overall sadness is sad.
        “It was then that the famous 'things' called out by the German infantry attacked him and, loudly howling sirens and screeching at the armored train from machine guns, they began to attack him. The order was immediately given along the entire line: to let the armored train going at full speed to the station, where it could have been covered with anti-aircraft artillery fire, and a deadly race for survival began. In response, 40-mm anti-aircraft "pom-poms" and a quadruple "maxim" from a steam locomotive tender hit them. "Knock-knock-knock!" - shell after shell fired anti-aircraft guns, tracer bullets of anti-aircraft machine gun in whole flocks went into the blue sky, but there were no hits yet. "literally at random took a passage. The author's technique and elementary tactics are clearly too tough.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 08: 00
          +12
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          due to forest landings on both sides of the canvas, it was inconvenient for them to attack perpendicular to the movement of the armored train

          Why .... perpendicular ....? recourse
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 21 December 2019 08: 47
            +14
            This is an author’s intention. He is an artist of the word, he sees so. (The waves rolled over the pier and fell down with a swift jack)
            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 22 December 2019 00: 13
              +3
              Quote: Aviator_
              This is an author’s intention. He is an artist of the word, he sees so. (The waves rolled over the pier and fell down with a swift jack)


              Oru !!!
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 21 December 2019 11: 36
            0
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            due to forest landings on both sides of the canvas, it was inconvenient for them to attack perpendicular to the movement of the armored train

            Why .... perpendicular ....? recourse

            The target area is much larger. When attacking a cannon and machine gun fire. I think it’s more convenient. Yes and bombs to the dive-not the worst option.

            It would be interesting to see in the archives of the Moscow region documents for this "Soviet-Finnish part."


            This is not the “Soviet-Finnish part”, it was the so-called FINNISH PEOPLE'S ARMY Finnish Democratic Republic, which was supposed, after the capture of Finland, to replace the conscientious troops.
            The "Finnish" army was led by commander Axel Moiseevich Anttila, military commissar brigcommissar Philip Ivanovich Egorov, chief of staff - brigade commander Fedor Nikolaevich Romanov

            The Soviet press wrote with might and main about the everyday life of these "Finns."
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 12: 41
              +3
              Quote: Olgovich
              The target area is much larger.

              Are you kidding me?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 21 December 2019 14: 00
                -2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Are you kidding me?

                like this? belay request

                Multiply it!
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 21 December 2019 14: 12
              +8
              The target area is much larger. When attacking a cannon and machine gun fire. I think it’s more convenient. Yes and bombs to the dive-not the worst option.

              Exactly what the worst option. The goal is long, is there such a thing as a scattering ellipse, where is the major axis located there? The attack on the columns and convoys was always carried out along their movement, although I would remember the newsreel of the war.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 21 December 2019 15: 30
                -2
                Quote: Aviator_
                The goal is long, there is such a thing asslip scatterWhere is the semi-major axis located?

                belay this ellipse is for BM 13 and other systems volley fire.

                It has nothing to do with guns.
                Quote: Aviator_
                The attack on the columns and convoys was always carried out along their movement, although I would remember the newsreel of the war.

                The ship is also "along" yes
                it was different. read at least memoirs.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 21 December 2019 17: 00
                  +4
                  It is directly related to machine gun and artillery fire from an airplane (firing from a mobile platform), as well as to bombing. And the scattering ellipse is present everywhere, in the barrel artillery too. Probability theory, if only Wentsel would read from a textbook? And as for the ship, it’s only torpedo bombers who were aiming at the side, but the top-managers. Is the composition stormed by torpedo bombers?
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 22 December 2019 08: 33
                    -3
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    It is directly related to machine gun and artillery fire from an airplane (shooting from a mobile platform)

                    Do not carry nonsense:
                    The scattering ellipse is a conditional closed curve described around the points of incidence of shells fired from one gun at the same possible conditions.
                    IN THE SAME CONDITIONS !. Each shot from a moving airplane is under DIFFERENT conditions. Did it get there? No.
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 22 December 2019 11: 30
                      +2
                      Respected! I am very glad that you found the tutorial and opened it. It remains only to understand what is written there. Thanks for the written definition of the scattering ellipse, I know this without your help. In the original article, it was about firing from an aircraft, and I noticed that the direction of attack of extended targets should go along the length of this target, since the scattering along the direction of flight when firing from a stationary installation is always greater than the transverse scatter. Therefore, there the concept of "scattering ellipse" is introduced, which is not limited to the case of firing from a ground-based receiver system. I remember that not so long ago you stated that the scattering ellipse is characteristic only of MLRS. I am glad that you have corrected your opinion. Well, if you go back to Shpakovsky's article, then there is a typical hack written by a teacher of Marxism-Leninism, you shouldn't be defending him like that.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 22 December 2019 11: 45
                        -4
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Thanks for writing out the definition of the scattering ellipse, I know this without your help

                        not visible: otherwise they would not have carried nonsense about
                        b Directly related to machine gun and artillery fire from an airplane (shooting from a mobile platform),


                        . EVERY shot- other according to the conditions. Ellipse is for SAME. WHAT DOES NOT REACH?
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        You argued that the scattering ellipse is characteristic only for MLRS. I am glad that you have adjusted your opinion.

                        Where?! TO AIRCRAFT guns, no.
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Well, if you return to the article by Shpakovsky, then there is a typical hack-work written by a teacher of Marxism-Leninism, in vain you defend him like that.

                        side echelon attacks are described in memoirs.
                      2. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 22 December 2019 15: 13
                        +1
                        My God, Olgovich, the Aviator writes to you absolutely correctly, you again looked at the book and scribble what you read there, absolutely not understanding what you read.
                        The major axis of the scatter ellipse always coincides with the axis of the bore or rail. And what is written "about the same conditions" absolutely does not change the picture - the center of the dispersion ellipses of each shot does not lie in the same coordinates, but in space the larger axes of all the ellipses still lie coaxially with the gun barrel. Therefore, the chance of defeat when approaching longitudinally to the goal is higher than with a perpendicular approach.
                        Not only that, since the column or train is a linear object for attack, large damage is inflicted just along the longest linear parameter - going perpendicularly, even if you hit, then only a section equal to the width of the attacking aircraft gets into the fire strip, (plus or minus), going along - go through the fire along the entire length of the column or composition (plus or minus).
                        You argued that the scattering ellipse is characteristic only for MLRS. I am glad that you have adjusted your opinion.

                        Where?!

                        Here
                        this ellipse is for BM 13 and other multiple launch rocket systems.
                        It has nothing to do with guns.

                        tongue
                        The ship is also "along"

                        But it was not about ships
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 23 December 2019 10: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        the space, the larger axes of all ellipses still lie coaxially with the gun barrel. Therefore, the chance of defeat when approaching longitudinally to the goal is higher than with a perpendicular approach.
                        Not only that, since the column or train is a linear object for attack, large damage is inflicted just along the longest linear parameter - going perpendicularly, even if you hit, then only a section equal to the width of the attacking aircraft gets into the fire strip, (plus or minus), going along - go through the fire along the entire length of the column or composition (plus or minus).

                        You are talking nonsense: if the plane lands perpendicular to the train at low altitude, then it literally tears it apart with concentrated fire, while along-the-fire density is much less (depending on the speed of the plane), respectively, the chances of getting into someone are even smaller
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Here

                        To the aircraft - no, how many times to repeat?
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        But it was not about ships

                        A non-linear target lol
                      4. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 23 December 2019 18: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You are talking nonsense: if the plane lands perpendicular to the train at low altitude, then it literally tears it apart with concentrated fire, while along-the-fire density is much less (depending on the speed of the plane), respectively, the chances of getting into someone are even smaller

                        When approaching along the paths, firstly, it is much more convenient to aim along the course - you can simply "lead your nose" along the paths.
                        Secondly, small pitch errors that, when entering along the beam, cause the queue to rest against the embankment or go over the wagons, while approaching along the train, wagons still fall under the impact - closer or further than the estimated aiming point .
                        Thirdly, when attacking along a train, the entire train is hit. And when attacking by traverse - only 2-3 wagons (because for a WWII plane to rotate while holding the aiming point, and even when changing the distance to the target is quite difficult).

                        As for the dispersion ellipse of the onboard cannons / machine guns, its elongation along the aircraft's course is due to the fact that the aircraft is not diving vertically. And the smaller the dive angle, the more elongated the ellipse - due to the fact that its vertical projection has to be projected onto the inclined surface of the earth (the original "roughly circle" is extended along the course axis).
                        The most effective means of destroying railroad trains were the FAB-100 and FAB-50 bombs, which were usually dropped during the first attack. To ensure the best possible hit of the target, the approach was built at angles of 5 - 30 ° to the axis of the railway track. The attack aircraft sought primarily to disable the engine. This was achieved by cannon fire (armor-piercing shells) and PC. The bomb hit the engine only with a direct hit. The use of conventional machine guns was also ineffective. Therefore, their fire was used mainly as a route for aimed cannon fire.
                        The attack of the engine was carried out with planning or with shaving flight in the forehead or side at angles close to 90 ° to avoid shell ricocheting and ensure the defeat of the boiler. PC fire opened from a distance of 600 - 800 m, and cannon - from a distance of 300 - 400 m.
                        © Skomorokhov N. M., Chernetskiy V. N. Tactics in combat examples: Aviation regiment.
                      5. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 24 December 2019 15: 44
                        0
                        You are talking nonsense:

                        You have all the rubbish here, except you, I just watched it))
                        To the aircraft - no, how many times to repeat?

                        That is, you say that the ballistics of aircraft guns is such that it does not create a dispersion ellipse?
                        A non-linear target

                        Do you disagree on something? Regarding the warrant, non-linear. As well as the car, with respect to the composition. Everything is relative.

                        PS The use of the specific military term "concentrated fire" in relation to a single aircraft is another gem.
                      6. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 25 December 2019 09: 19
                        -4
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        That is, you say that the ballistics of aircraft guns is such that it does not create a dispersion ellipse?

                        Learn what a scattering ellipse is.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Do you disagree on something? Regarding the warrant, non-linear. As well as the car, with respect to the composition. Everything is relative.

                        See above
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        PS The use of the specific military term "concentrated fire" in relation to a single aircraft is another gem.

                        Cram yes
                      7. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 25 December 2019 09: 34
                        0
                        Learn WHAT is a scattering ellipse

                        So I know.
                        Therefore, I ask you, why did you decide that the aircraft guns do not have it? laughing
                        Maybe we will consider some ballistics textbook, or from the point of view of physics you can prove winked
                        Cram

                        Ah, you disagree here too. Oh well. )
                        If the definition of the ellipse of dispersion was observed on Wikipedia, then concentrated fire would also be looked there, so as not to bother with more specialized sources, I’m sure that there is one))
                      8. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 25 December 2019 10: 06
                        -3
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        So i know.
                        Therefore, I ask you, why did you decide that the aircraft guns do not have it?

                        Bring him.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Ah, you disagree here too. Oh well. )
                        If we already spotted the definition of the dispersion ellipse on Wikipedia, then a concentrated fire would also be looked there, so as not to bother with more specialized sources, I’m sure there are)

                        blown away .... lol
                      9. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 25 December 2019 10: 27
                        0
                        Bring him

                        Are you kidding me? You have already given the definition above from Wikipedia. Why repeat it?
                        I ask you a specific thing
                        Therefore, I ask you, why did you decide that the aircraft guns do not have it? laughing

                        Is it hard to answer?
                        blown away .... lol

                        Really?
                        Well, tell us how the specific military term "concentrated fire" can be applied to the fire of a single aircraft? No, a dilettante can, of course, be a housewife or kids when playing war games. They are forgivable.
                      10. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 25 December 2019 11: 08
                        -3
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Are you kidding me? You have already given the definition above from Wikipedia. Why repeat it?

                        I don’t know if you remember me or not. request
                        It seems like NO: EVERY shot is different in terms.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Really?
                        Well, tell us how the specific military term "concentrated fire" can be applied to the fire of a single aircraft?

                        Have you already learned what it is? And then to crucify before the ignoramus ....... No.
                      11. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 25 December 2019 11: 15
                        0
                        EVERY shot is different according to the conditions

                        What is meant by "shooting conditions" in this definition, do you know?
                        Do you even understand that when you protest the dispersion ellipse as applied to the results of firing from air guns, do you protest against the mathematical law of the physical normal two-dimensional distribution? fool
                        Have you already learned what it is? And then to crucify

                        I have learned. Once upon a time. And I know, and most importantly, I understand, so far. So feel free to crucify
                      12. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 26 December 2019 07: 49
                        -2
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        What is meant by "shooting conditions" in this definition, do you know?

                        Read the definition above.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Do you even understand that protesting the dispersion ellipse as applied to the results of firing from air guns

                        When it comes to you that EVERY shot of this gun is DIFFERENT from another according to the conditions ?!
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        I have learned. Once upon a time. And I know, and most importantly, I understand, so far. So feel free to crucify

                        I then calculate how many fire points are on a single plane.
                        Well how? wink
                      13. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 26 December 2019 08: 11
                        0
                        Read the definition above.

                        But you don’t see that the definition above does not explain what it is? So why are you referring to this definition again?
                        When it comes to you that EVERY shot of this gun is DIFFERENT from another according to the conditions ?!

                        What is meant by "shooting conditions" in this definition, do you know?

                        Especially for you, I have already given you a page from a textbook on the use of weapons in aerial combat below. Few?
                        I then calculate how many fire points are on a single plane.
                        Well how?

                        No way. Because concentrated fire is INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF MEDIA
                        So do you have cannons and machine guns on the plane divided by budding to achieve this effect? laughing
                        To make it clearer, ZSA also has 2, 3, and 4 barrels. But the concentration of fire in anti-aircraft artillery is only fire from several ZSA.
                      14. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 26 December 2019 09: 42
                        -2
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        But you don’t see that the definition above does not explain what it is? So why are you referring to this definition again?

                        It clearly says:
                        as much as possible the same conditions.

                        SAME !! When will it come? fool request
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Because concentrated fire is an increase in the NUMBER of weapons

                        RM is considered as one of the types of artillery fire, in which several batteries, divisions or artillery ships [bCENTRETS fire [/ b]on one priority objective (TSB)

                        Aircraft CONCENTRATES the fire of SEVERAL fires. points on ONE target. For example, on the cockpit, or on the motor, in the direction of the arrow.

                        How much can you explain?

                        You bore me ...
                      15. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 13 February 2020 16: 20
                        0
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        But you don’t see that the definition above does not explain what it is? So why are you referring to this definition again?

                        It clearly says:
                        in the same possible conditions.

                        SAME !! When will it come? fool request


                        You already had a page from the manual on air combat given with the ellipse of dispersion of aircraft guns. So it’s not clear when it reaches you.
                        I repeat the question - what conditions in the definition are called "the same", what is meant by this word? When you answer this question to yourself, then you will understand the entire fallacy of the previous reasoning.

                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Because concentrated fire is an increase in the NUMBER of weapons

                        RM is considered as one of the types of artillery fire, in which several batteries, divisions or artillery ships [bCENTRATES fire [/ b] on one priority target (TSB)

                        Aircraft CONCENTRATES the fire of SEVERAL fires. points on ONE target. For example, on the cockpit, or on the motor, in the direction of the arrow.


                        Please note - the definition says "several batteries, divisions" (although a battery / division consists of several guns), "several ships" (although there are several guns on a ship). But fire becomes concentrated only when there are several "batteries, battalions, ships", despite the fact that each individual "battery, battalion, ship" already has several "trunks." So it is with an aircraft - it has several cannons / machine guns, but a concentrated airstrike can only be applied from several aircraft. What you were told earlier is an increase in the number of means of destruction of one target.
                        And in the negative here is such an interpretation "The plane CONCENTRATES the fire of SEVERAL of its firing points." already says that one aircraft from our article cannot structurally distribute fire for several purposes, it has all the weapons course, which means that in relation to him, the concept of "concentration" does not make sense.
                      16. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 25 December 2019 19: 26
                        0
                        It's good that I have a huge profile library)
                        Colonel Chaykin V.I. The use of weapons in aerial combat. Military Publishing 1940.
                2. sergo1914
                  sergo1914 22 December 2019 00: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  this ellipse is for BM 13 and other multiple launch rocket systems.


                  There is no ellipse. There is a rectangle. Almost perfect.
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 21 December 2019 14: 50
              +2
              Quote: Olgovich
              Yes and bombs to the dive-not the worst option.

              If "Stuck" hit the tank, then it would not miss an armored train. But the book was lucky.
        2. LeonidL
          LeonidL 22 December 2019 00: 33
          +4
          "pom-poms" on a Soviet armored train? I have never seen anything like it. There were anti-aircraft armored platforms - at the beginning of the war with quadruple "maxims", DShK, then 37-mm, I even read about 76 and 57 mm, but the "pom-poms" are from the British heritage, beloved by the author. Some kind of rotten little article, but a narcissistic reference to a "novel" that everyone should read ... No, I haven't, and I won't.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 December 2019 01: 09
            +3
            Quote: LeonidL
            "pom-poms" on a Soviet armored train?

            So this is a retelling of the novel by V.O. Shpakovsky from an alternative universe, as I understand it.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 23 December 2019 18: 26
              +2
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              So this is a retelling of the novel by V.O. Shpakovsky from an alternative universe, as I understand it.

              In all honesty, even in real life, anything could be on the BEPO. For the first year they were armed according to the principle "form number eight - what we find is what we wear". Especially in terms of air defense systems, which the active army was in short supply. Even the ShVAK-20 was installed on the BEPO, which in 1936 was recognized as absolutely inapplicable as an air defense system and inferior in this role even to a 12,7 mm machine gun.
              Given that the existing MG-3 fuse acts on the skin of the aircraft at final speeds of at least 300-350 m / s, and also that successful hit by aircraft can be expected at flight times not exceeding 2-2,5 seconds, it should be considered that the maximum distance of actual anti-aircraft fire for 20 mm ShVAK is 1000 m, and for 12,7 mm ShVAK it is about 1500 meters.
              For anti-aircraft defense, this distance is unsatisfactory.

              Due to the fact that the ShVAK automation was originally designed for a 12,7 mm caliber, it was necessary to use an extremely light weight shell (20 grams against the normal weight for this caliber of 91-125 grams) and a short length for using a 150 mm cartridge. As a result, the projectile received reduced ballistic qualities, leading to a rapid loss of initial velocity.
              This circumstance leads to a significant decrease in the armor penetration of a 20 mm ShVAK machine gun and to a reduction in anti-aircraft fire distances compared to a 12,7 mm machine gun.
    2. Crane
      Crane 22 December 2019 16: 38
      +1
      V.O. forgot to mention that he wrote 100500 textbooks on PR and was published all over the world.
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 21 December 2019 06: 32
    +13
    I will try as politely as possible to comment on these words of the author of the article: Did you notice that in the song cited as an epigraph, it is about early autumn? From the mention of autumn in the lyrics, only this:
    Low sun of autumn
    Ignites bayonet lights

    Where are the words about yellowed foliage? About "Indian summer", the characteristic season of early autumn, which for some reason does not give rest to the author? And of course, November is autumn, albeit late.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 21 December 2019 06: 40
      +1
      For example, the average annual temperature in Helsinki here.
      http://www.pogodaiklimat.ru/history/02974.htm
    2. figwam
      figwam 21 December 2019 10: 05
      +8
      Indeed, "The Low Sun of Autumn" happens just in late autumn, and not early.
  3. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 06: 49
    +19
    Ek, how Vyacheslav Olegovich is promoting his novel. I will not read from harm. laughing
    1. APIS
      APIS 21 December 2019 07: 02
      +14
      And he wants to grab a pretty penny for a set of beeches.
      All the same, it is necessary to put the names of the authors at the beginning of the article.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 21 December 2019 07: 09
        +6
        Yes, the epigraph almost immediately clear whose article.
        1. APIS
          APIS 21 December 2019 07: 59
          +3
          Yes, the epigraph almost immediately clear whose article.

          Even by name, but still there are exceptions
    2. Crazy
      Crazy 21 December 2019 11: 47
      +2
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Ek, how Vyacheslav Olegovich is promoting his novel. I will not read from harm. laughing

      But I still read ..! I love to read such. To understand their essence
      Recently I read a veteran of the Great Patriotic War .. As he was with voluptuousness, he wrote how our soldiers raped German women, etc. And he is so right and tolerant hehe
      PS Truth then. I wrote that executions for looting began and everything stopped abruptly!
      Well, the Finns. Of course, gave us a good lesson ..! And yet what Stalin sought .he achieved this! And then the war ..
      Eh, Russian men, how many trials have fallen on your lot and everything starts again .. soldier
      Will we break through this time? Or to hell with them and scatter through the taiga .. etc. ?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 12: 35
        +7
        Quote: Crazy
        Well, the Finns. Of course, gave us a good lesson ..! And yet what Stalin sought .he achieved this!

        Finland's winter war is over; it was the best of all the hitherto wars, because both sides won in it. The victory of the Finns was smaller, because they had to give up something from their territory and accordingly move beyond the new border that arose in this way.

        Linna Väine. "Unknown Soldier"
        1. Crazy
          Crazy 21 December 2019 12: 43
          +2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Linna Väine. "Unknown Soldier"

          I’m sure to read .. That I missed the Finns in my readings, the trench warfare .. hi
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 12: 47
            +4
            Quote: Crazy
            I’m sure to read it ..

            Hard to read. And there are quite unpleasant moments, the Finn wrote. Moreover, it is not about the Winter War, but about the Great Patriotic War.
            1. Crazy
              Crazy 21 December 2019 12: 55
              +1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Crazy
              I’m sure to read it ..

              Hard to read. And there are quite unpleasant moments, the Finn wrote. Moreover, it is not about the Winter War, but about the Great Patriotic War.

              This is a good cheer and gives the concept of what we have in the future.! soldier ..
              I also read the SS (memoirs and Mein Kampf of the corporal ..)))) How they marched and burned villages and towns to the song "marlene" and then scolded us with all sorts of words (supposedly we are not fighting according to the rules, etc.)
              And then they dragged, but snapped hard ..
              Savages we for them, were and remained (as they expressed themselves with smiles, killing us) ..
              Now here it starts again and punish - they will have to prove completely negative they do not understand the Russian language and the Russian soul see hehe
              These are the things in the tank divisions of the Urals and Siberia!
      2. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 22 December 2019 15: 21
        0
        Recently I read a veteran of the Great Patriotic War .. As he was with voluptuousness, he wrote how our soldiers raped German women, etc. And he is so right and tolerant hehe

        Not Nikulin (not an actor) by chance?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 22 December 2019 15: 37
          +1
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          Not Nikulin (not an actor) by chance?

          Vital will not answer. He was shot again. crying
    3. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 21 December 2019 16: 23
      -2
      He will be very upset, he will become hysterical, roll up his legs and crawl up to you on his knees with a request to go down to read his novel.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 16: 43
        +1
        Quote: Fraancol_2
        He will be very upset, he will become hysterical, roll up his legs and crawl up to you on his knees with a request to go down to read his novel.

        And this is not his first PR article. Maybe he doesn’t give a damn, but to me - likewise.
    4. sergo1914
      sergo1914 22 December 2019 00: 11
      +1
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Ek, how Vyacheslav Olegovich is promoting his novel. I will not read from harm. laughing



      Not properly. Not a novel. NOVEL(!!!). Better than Victor Hugo and Count Tolstoy. But he does not understand the greatness of the CREATOR.
      PS The biggest crown I've seen.
  4. lelik613
    lelik613 21 December 2019 07: 01
    +2
    Listen to advice from a famous writer: "Stop acting like an elderly vestal who saw hairy balls and a standing member!" (C) Colin McCullough First person in Rome.
    Color revolutions and liberation armies have been known since the end of the Ice Age.
  5. Plantagenet
    Plantagenet 21 December 2019 07: 51
    +5
    "From February 1, 1940, the command of units and formations
    The FNA was allowed: “If at your disposal
    there will be no nationals (Karelians and Finns. -
    A.P.), then it is possible to complete the Russians. ”
    Therefore, on January 4, 1940, parts and connections of the corps
    The following order was issued: “
    replenishment of various nationalities. By this
    can take advantage of anti-Soviet propaganda
    enemies of the Soviet Union and the Finnish Democratic
    republics. In order to conspire, I order: in
    units having the largest stratum of fighters and commanders
    non-Finnish nationality, assign to fighters and
    Finnish surnames to the commanders. ”
    The first to fulfill the order was the chief of staff of the corps
    brigade commander Romanov, who became until mid-April
    Raikas, and the head of the political department Tereshkin (Tervonen). "

    P. Aptekar "Soviet-Finnish Wars"
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 22 December 2019 00: 40
      0
      Well, what news ... and in the Polish Army, and in the Czechoslovak corps, and in the national Baltic corps and divisions, like in reinforced concrete, Soviet servicemen were steel bars. Romanian and Hungarian units were still being formed, but little is known about them and did not seem to take part in the war. Probably only in "Normandy" all the French were French.
  6. NordUral
    NordUral 21 December 2019 08: 51
    +3
    You liar author.
    1. Ultima Ratio
      Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 10: 19
      0
      That is, not the USSR attacked the Finns, but vice versa? And there was no spin of the Finnish lands too?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 21 December 2019 11: 12
        +5
        The USSR was forced to do this and did. I'm talking about something else.
        1. Ultima Ratio
          Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 14: 33
          -2
          The funniest thing was forced to attack, but as is customary in Russia, I did not prepare for the winter company!
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 21 December 2019 14: 45
            +2
            Expand the circle of those criticized that they acted very "successfully" against Hitler (all European countries, let me remind you). And I will not argue with the fact.
  7. Fraracol_2
    Fraracol_2 21 December 2019 09: 56
    -9
    A good answer to pathetic attempts to somehow justify and justify this very shameful spot in history. Everything was built on a lie, as are today's attempts at whitewashing.
    1. Ultima Ratio
      Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 12: 32
      -3
      Here I am about the same thing, now Russian historians are trying to whitewash this shameful page of an attempt to occupy Finland.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 12: 50
        +7
        Quote: Fraancol_2
        A good answer to pathetic attempts to somehow justify and justify this very shameful spot in history. Everything was built on a lie, like today's whitewash attempts

        Quote: Ultima Ratio
        Here I am about the same thing, now Russian historians are trying to whitewash this shameful page of an attempt to occupy Finland.

        Do you both even know how long the negotiations on the exchange of territories took?
        1. Ultima Ratio
          Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 12: 52
          -3
          Yes in the know! But attack first ... you know
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 12: 53
            +4
            Quote: Ultima Ratio
            Yes in the know!

            Well, how much? By time?
            1. Ultima Ratio
              Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 12: 58
              -3
              Negotiations went on for a long time, the Finns did not want to give in, the Soviets offered to conduct an exchange of land, etc.! But all this does not justify the attempts of occupation! When I was in a Soviet school we were told that the Russian people and the USSR never attacked first! And during the years of perestroika, it was a revelation for us when they began to slowly declassify the archives of the Finnish war!
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 13: 00
                +4
                Quote: Ultima Ratio
                Negotiations went on for a long time,

                How long? A month, three, six? Personally, I know, and you?
                Quote: Ultima Ratio
                Finns did not want to give in

                Figures, they could concede, they had their own conditions.
                1. Ultima Ratio
                  Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 14: 28
                  -3
                  And so the USSR treacherously attacked a small country!
                  1. LeonidL
                    LeonidL 22 December 2019 00: 47
                    +1
                    You are wrong in principle. You do not know much of military history. Since October, the Finns repeatedly (look on the Internet) were the first to attack Russia. After peace was established, negotiations were ongoing between the Baltic states and Finland on military cooperation against the USSR, there was close military cooperation with Hitler - it was too tempting to have a bridgehead for an attack on Leningrad, 35 km from the city. And not just the city, but the largest industrial center, to immediately end the KBF. This is a mortal danger. That's why they snatched out a snake sting. On time, albeit with losses. But there was practically no army of personnel! She was transferred from the territorial-militia system just before Poland and after Halkin-Gol to personnel.
                    1. Ultima Ratio
                      Ultima Ratio 22 December 2019 09: 23
                      -2
                      That you do not own your own story! It was possible to solve the problem peacefully, and not by creating the 16th republic! As for the cadre army: the cadre army had already been created by that time and had successfully been tested in Khanhin Gol, Spain and in several border conflicts! The superiority over the Finnish army was multiple! Plus during the winter war experienced a large number of equipment and weapons! Part of which fell into the hands of the Finns! I emphasize again !!! No one has the right to attack an independent state guided by fantasies !!!
                      1. LeonidL
                        LeonidL 22 December 2019 19: 46
                        0
                        Underline! But on Khalkin-Gol divisions fought, consisting of conscripts called up who do not even know how to handle a rifle and command personnel from a reserve, of about the same quality.
        2. Fraracol_2
          Fraracol_2 21 December 2019 16: 13
          -2
          Yes, even forever, with what XP they should have agreed to change something? !!!!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 16: 46
            +2
            Quote: Fraancol_2
            Yes, even forever, with what XP they should have agreed to change something? !!!!

            Two of the casket are the same from the face. The negotiations could well have ended successfully, and some people from the Finnish government made concessions.
            1. Pavel57
              Pavel57 21 December 2019 18: 14
              +2
              Some individuals were ready to make concessions, for example Manerheim.
        3. Ultima Ratio
          Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 16: 45
          0
          During the negotiations, Stalin formed an alternative government of Finland consisting of Finnish Communists!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 16: 52
            +3
            Quote: Ultima Ratio
            During the negotiations, Stalin formed an alternative government of Finland consisting of Finnish Communists!

            A miracle in the feathers, this is an alternative government with the outbreak of war created.
            1. Ultima Ratio
              Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 16: 54
              -4
              You expressions choose fast you ours! The selection was still during the negotiations! Stalin knew that the Finns would not yield and had prepared his government and the 16th republic in advance!
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 17: 25
                +1
                Quote: Ultima Ratio
                Stalin knew that Finns would not yield

                Nothing like this. The Finns could concede.
                1. Ultima Ratio
                  Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 17: 43
                  -2
                  Then why not form an alternative government! Could be solved peacefully!
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 17: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: Ultima Ratio
                    Could be solved peacefully!

                    You can, only the Finns rested. Read the memoirs of their Foreign Minister, Tanner Väinö.
                    1. Ultima Ratio
                      Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 17: 57
                      -1
                      And the peaceful USSR attacked the militaristic Finland
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 18: 00
                        +2
                        Twenty five again. No, I had to sit and wait for Hitler to drag his guns and tanks there, to the border. Then Leningrad would immediately have taken.
                      2. Ultima Ratio
                        Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 18: 11
                        -2
                        Strange, at that time Hitler was listed among the allies! Secondly, the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact was signed, in the third they supplied raw materials to Germany by July 22, 41, and ordered equipment and weapons from there! Fourth, after an attempt to occupy the USSR, he made himself an enemy!
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 21: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Ultima Ratio
                        Strange, at that time Hitler was listed among the allies!

                        We read Golovanov’s memoirs:
                        “You see how many of our opponents are here,” Stalin said, pointing to the western part of the map. “But you need to know which of them is more dangerous today and with whom we will first have to fight.” The situation is such that neither France nor England will fight with us now. Germany will fight with us, and this must be firmly remembered. Therefore, all preparation you should focus on studying military-industrial facilities and large bases located in Germany - these will be the main objects for you. This is the main task that is being set for you now.

                        Stalin's confident, calm tone seemed to emphasize that it would be just like that, and not otherwise. Not a word was said about the agreement concluded with Germany.
                      4. Ultima Ratio
                        Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 21: 54
                        -1
                        I repeat to you again !!! What right did the USSR have to attack Finland !!! Based on Golovanov’s memoirs or Stalin’s fantasies? Why did diplomats not work to ensure that Finland becomes, if not an ally, then at least neutral! Instead, they decided to overthrow the current government! They did not spare neither their soldiers nor Finnish citizens! Why is there an excuse for the cannibals who have killed thousands and thousands of lives ???? Many patriots here cheer for some reason do not put the USSR and Nazi Germany on a par, they both engaged in the division of territories! I'm not talking about other countries! How did the USSR differ from other colonial countries? They even managed to justify the mass deportations of Soviet citizens during the war, the shooting of captured Polish officers (moreover, the arrows were transferred to the Germans)! I explain to you once again that no country has the right to invade another sovereign territory!
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 22: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Ultima Ratio
                        I explain to you once again that no country has the right to invade another sovereign territory!

                        Well, I don’t even know what to say then ... In, I came up with. Since the USSR was the successor to the Republic of Ingushetia, and Finland, part of the Republic of Ingushetia, but then it broke away for some reason, then they are all quilted jackets and separatists! And terrorists under the control of world capital! It's all right?!
                      6. Ultima Ratio
                        Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 22: 04
                        0
                        Now everything is clear! Thank you explained! I now understand why eastern Europe and Poland do not want to deal with the successor of RI and the USSR!
                      7. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 22: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Ultima Ratio
                        I now understand why eastern Europe and Poland do not want to deal with the successor of RI and the USSR!

                        And Poland is also part of the Republic of Ingushetia! laughing
                      8. Ultima Ratio
                        Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 22: 13
                        +1
                        Was in the past! I decided to live independently and not depend on the stupidity of the king of the priest!
                      9. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 23 December 2019 18: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Ultima Ratio
                        I repeat to you again !!! What right did the USSR have to attack Finland !!!

                        The same as Great Britain had, repeatedly attacking neutral France and preparing the seizure of Norway. The Germans with their Weserubung were ahead of the Limes by literally a day - on the day of the German landing, the advance detachments of the British landing were already loaded onto the cruiser.
                        Quote: Ultima Ratio
                        Why did diplomats not work to ensure that Finland becomes, if not an ally, then at least neutral!

                        Probably because independent Finland was originally created by Russophobes on Russian blood. The country of the "cordon sanitaire", which lay first under limes with francs, and then under the Germans.
                        And what about neutrality - what really helped us the neutrality of Hungary?
                        Without Finland, the Germans hung in the air the right flank of Dietl. In general, plans to cut the Kirov railway + to cover Leningrad from the north. So in 1941 the Finns would not remain neutral in any way.
                        Quote: Ultima Ratio
                        Instead, they decided to overthrow the current government! They did not spare neither their soldiers nor Finnish citizens!

                        If I wanted to, then they would overthrow. Exactly in the summer of 1940, when the old guarantors of Finnish independence fled to their Island, and the new ones have not yet agreed to take the Finns under their wing.
                        Quote: Ultima Ratio
                        I explain to you once again that no country has the right to invade another sovereign territory!

                        Tell the Poles. Or the Lithuanians, who happily accepted a piece of Polish land from the hands of the "bloody regime".
  8. bubalik
    bubalik 21 December 2019 11: 13
    +11
    Once Murukin was sent to intelligence. It was necessary at night to "rummage" in the rear of the enemy and take the "tongue"

    Several times Lev Mehlis came to part of Murukin. It so happened that on one of the sections of the front the attack was choked, and Mehlis then personally shot the battalion commander and three commanders of the company “for cowardice” in front of the formation

    ,,, "tryndit" comrade Murukin, did not have time to be called up, already sent to intelligence belay
    Well the formation of the 1st Corps of the Finnish People’s Army (originally the 106th Mountain Division), which was staffed by Finns and Karelians. By November 26, there were 13 people in the corps.
    The corps did not participate in the fighting
    bully
    1. Ultima Ratio
      Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 13: 02
      +2
      Then there was a lot of mess! It turned out that the army was not at all ready to fight in the winter season!
  9. bubalik
    bubalik 21 December 2019 11: 23
    +10
    they didn’t even stand next to Finnish uniforms. French jackets with large pockets from English cloth, the same pants, boots made of good leather and earflaps - looked simply gorgeous.


    ,, The "Red Finns" were dressed in long green Polish overcoats captured several months earlier in Western Ukraine. Instead of buttonholes, shoulder straps were introduced, and instead of Budennovka hats - now familiar to everyone with earflaps with red stars - however, a slightly different cut than now, with a rounder top (by the way, these hats are called "Finnish" all over the world). Hats were sewn in Leningrad in October-November 1939 from white and gray sheepskin in tens of thousands.

    ,,, by order of the Revolutionary Military Council of the USSR No. 14 of January 31, 1931, a cap-finca (a fur cap without ears like a kubanka) was introduced for command personnel intended to be worn with bequeshes, but by the Finnish war this headgear in the army was rare and most often was on rear warehouses. request
    ,,, but for example, in the organs of the Soviet police, a Finnish hat was worn from December 1938 to February 1943. The active use of this headgear in the army took place a few years later in the winter of 1941 - 1942. near Moscow, and most often they received it, militiamen and small newly formed units. yes
  10. Blue fox
    Blue fox 21 December 2019 12: 43
    +6
    Such a nuance. The 18th Infantry Division, defeated in the encirclement on the outskirts of Pitkäranta (the infamous "North" and "South" Lemetti) was replenished before the start of the Soviet-Finnish war, including Finns, Karelians and Vepsians from the inhabitants of Soviet Karelia (by the way, among the Karelians and Vepsians both then and now there are often quite Russian names and surnames, and given the inevitable assimilation of many Soviet ethnic Finns, there are also Russian surnames and names). As a result of the battles, she lost more than 15 thousand of 13 thousand people, but the Finnish side did not record a massive surrender of soldiers of these nationalities, at least when compared in percentage terms with Russians and other nationalities (despite the fact that the card with The Finns began to play with the "liberation" of fraternal small peoples long before this war). Moreover, these veterans of the Soviet-Finnish war at the beginning of the Second World War actively participated in the defense of Karelia as part of regular troops, militia battalions and partisan detachments.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 December 2019 18: 53
      0
      Quote: Blue Fox
      As a result of the battles, she lost more than 15 thousand of 13 thousand people, but the Finnish side did not record a massive surrender of soldiers of these nationalities, at least when compared in percentage terms with Russians and other nationalities (despite the fact that the card with The Finns began to play with the "liberation" of fraternal small peoples long before this war). Moreover, these veterans of the Soviet-Finnish war at the beginning of the Second World War actively participated in the defense of Karelia as part of regular troops, militia battalions and partisan detachments.

      So in those parts, everyone who wanted to go to the Finns in the early 20s - after the second war. In the USSR there were only those who saw Finns, preferably in a coffin. smile
  11. Operator
    Operator 21 December 2019 13: 42
    +3
    The author of roman is a fierce graphomaniac and Russophobe.
    1. Ultima Ratio
      Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 14: 32
      0
      If the author tries to reveal the shameful moments of history and give an analysis, is he immediately Russophobe? Some comrades need to understand for a long time that Russia is no different from other countries! He also has interests in other countries and is trying to influence, by deceit, bribery and threats! Also rents or sells its allies for the sake of profit! Tries to acquire colonies, etc.
      1. Operator
        Operator 21 December 2019 14: 56
        +1
        The theme of graphomania of the author is not disclosed by you bully
        1. Ultima Ratio
          Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 15: 19
          +2
          Well, of course, everything that does not correspond to cheers patriotism can be written in graphomania!
          1. Operator
            Operator 21 December 2019 16: 05
            -1
            The author's graphomancy is based on the "perpendicularity" of the presentation of military specifics and ignorance of the foundations of building a work of art (plot, intrigue, disclosure of characters, etc.), which was studied and expounded in essays even in the Soviet school.

            Which is not surprising: according to the diploma, the author is a historian of the CPSU, i.e. he was professionally trained to think solely by cliché laughing
            1. Ultima Ratio
              Ultima Ratio 21 December 2019 16: 08
              0
              Well, write your patriotic opus. Read with interest!
              1. Operator
                Operator 21 December 2019 16: 51
                +2
                Sorry, I'm not a graphomaniac - therefore read my non-fiction articles on VO.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 21 December 2019 17: 28
              +2
              Quote: Operator
              and ignorance of the foundations of building a work of art

              He simply fitted Advego-Plagiatus so that the percentage of plagiarism did not exceed the permissible.
  12. Undecim
    Undecim 21 December 2019 14: 28
    +6
    Of course, many have read my novel, “Let’s die ...”
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, given the repeated mention of this literary work, tried to read. I’ll tell you honestly, you really do not reach Philip Dick in this genre, and those who did not read your roman did not suffer much damage.
    An alternative story is not your forte. I hope you will accept my criticism with understanding and will no longer waste your time and energy on the creation of such works and will please us with materials where you are truly at the level.
  13. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 21 December 2019 14: 45
    +2
    Mehlis then personally shot the company “for cowardice” in front of the ranks of the battalion commander and three commanders.
    Very bloodthirsty was Hades.
    1. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 21 December 2019 16: 18
      -2
      Oh, what it was.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 December 2019 18: 57
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Very bloodthirsty was Hades.

      But what can you do if the same division-44 calmly watched his division cut into motties? The Finns built a blockage on the road a few kilometers from the artillery division of the division for a day - no one even scratched themselves.
      In general, the commanders operating north of Ladoga lied to the eyes even at the "Meeting on the results ...", in front of the IVS - with blue eyes talking about the strip of concrete bunkers, into which the units entrusted to them rested.
  14. Karabin
    Karabin 21 December 2019 19: 25
    +4
    Of course, many have read my novel “Let’s die ...”,

    Of course! Here he is standing on a shelf, exactly between the little-known N.V. Gogol and A.I. Kuprin.
  15. bbss
    bbss 14 March 2020 13: 04
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    In response, they were hit by 40-mm anti-aircraft “pom-pomps”

    Pom-pom from us where did they come from !!! Yes, even on the train !!!