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History of Ukraine as a geopolitical project

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History of Ukraine as a geopolitical project

Any artificially created project has a beginning and an end is inevitable. Exactly the same principle applies to artificially created states.


What is Ukraine and who are Ukrainians, - the famous political scientist Andrei Vajra reflects, noting that both one and the second are, by and large, a geopolitical project that benefits certain political forces.

Ukraine itself appeared as a frank attempt to tear its western and southwestern lands from Russia. The project had Austro-Hungarian roots. Today, Austria-Hungary is no longer there, but the Ukraine project has not sunk into oblivion for the simple reason that it seemed quite interesting to other political elites.

During the “Intelligence Interrogation” program of Dmitry Puchkov, Andrei Vajra notes that he is forced to talk about politically incorrect things, but this reflects the real situation around how Ukraine is trying to tear it off, turning it into anti-Russia of the 21st century.

The whole essence of today's Ukraine is not development, not moving forward, not improving the system of power, the social sphere. The bottom line is an anti-Russian project that will be fueled from the outside with one single goal - to do everything to annoy Russia, try to restrain Russian development, and prevent the reunification of the Russian (in the broad sense of the word) people. In this regard, an important question: how long can such a Frankenstein state exist on the world map?

The program of Dmitry Puchkov:

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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 6 December 2019 19: 25
    +10
    The whole essence of today's Ukraine is not development, not moving forward, not improving the system of power, the social sphere. The bottom line is an anti-Russian project that will be fueled from the outside with one single goal - to do everything to annoy Russia, try to restrain Russian development, and prevent the reunification of the Russian (in the broad sense of the word) people. In this regard, an important question: how long can such a Frankenstein state exist on the world map?

    This fact has probably been understood for a long time by everyone .. The actions of Russia are often not understood in relation to this geopolitical project .. The leadership of the USSR would clean the clearing quickly .. and become Ukraine, the Russian project and again brothers ..
    1. evgic
      evgic 6 December 2019 19: 34
      +5
      With all due respect to the USSR, you write garbage,
      The leadership of the USSR would clean the clearing quickly .. and become Ukraine, the Russian project and again brothers ..

      The USSR leadership gave birth to this Frankenstein, and kicked people into the outskirts who did not know about it.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 6 December 2019 19: 46
        +7
        Quote: evgic
        With all due respect to the USSR, you write garbage,
        Мanagement The USSR of this Frankenstein

        Is this what the USSR Bandera cultivated ?? With all due respect, write garbage! It's like blaming a sore head for a healthy one. There were no problems with Ukraine in the USSR. What you call "Frankenstein", in the USSR there was a flourishing Soviet republic, with beautiful people living in it. The terrible thing happened later, when the USSR was gone. But there was a completely toothless policy of the current leadership.
        1. Maverick78
          Maverick78 6 December 2019 19: 54
          +8
          He's partly right. It was under the USSR that the "Ukrainian people" were finally formed, albeit fraternal but not quite Russian. And transforming it into something not Russian at all turned out to be a matter of technique.
          1. Spartanez300
            Spartanez300 6 December 2019 22: 03
            +1
            The history of the so-called Ukraine is a drawing.
          2. Slavs
            Slavs 7 December 2019 00: 02
            +1
            Quote: Maverick78
            It was under the USSR that the "Ukrainian people" were finally formed, albeit fraternal but not quite Russian. And transforming it into not Russian at all turned out to be a matter of technique

            I am just a representative of this people. I still had a USSR passport. Zaporozhye. I know a little about what we were made of. Soviet people did.
            They didn’t like Zapadentsev and rozmovyaly mainly on surzhik.
            But with 91 it began ...
            But even then no one could guess what it would come to ...
        2. Lexus
          Lexus 6 December 2019 20: 00
          +5
          Stas, good evening hi
          I agree with you. Bandera's people began to raise their heads in 90-91. Today's "friends of the family" have completed the work. And why not ask the question - who is "growing" there? True, the answer will not please.
          A couple of days ago, the "cat-sisters" were overpowering you, so you use a toilet brush! Really works))
          1. knn54
            knn54 6 December 2019 20: 48
            +4
            Amnesty of Khrushchev in 1955 led to the fact that in the 70s (data from sources in Germany and the USA) among the heads of regional and district committees, chairmen of regional and district executive committees of Western, Central and South-Western Ukraine, as well as leaders of various ranks in ministries and departments, enterprises, Komsomol and public organizations of the Ukrainian SSR there were at least a third of nationalists and members of their families amnestied in 1955-1959. And in the early 80s (according to documents from party archives) in the general contingent of the regional committee of the CPSU and the district committees of the Lviv region, the share of formerly convicted Nazi accomplices and repatriates exceeded 30 percent. In the Volyn, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil regions, this indicator ranged from 35 to 50 percent.
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 6 December 2019 23: 20
              +2
              Amnesty of Khrushchev in 1955 led to the fact that in the 70s (data from sources in Germany and the USA) among the heads of regional and district committees, chairmen of regional and district executive committees of Western, Central and South-Western Ukraine, as well as leaders of various ranks in ministries and departments, enterprises, Komsomol and public organizations of the Ukrainian SSR there were at least a third of nationalists and members of their families amnestied in 1955-1959. And in the early 80s (according to documents from party archives) in the general contingent of the regional committee of the CPSU and the district committees of the Lviv region, the share of formerly convicted Nazi accomplices and repatriates exceeded 30 percent. In the Volyn, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil regions, this indicator ranged from 35 to 50 percent.

              Both on! And the anti-Stalinists write that Stalin shot innocent people! And then who amnestied? How was the amnestied relative able to make a career? Well, the same Yeltsin, the son of a fist became the president of the country! Amazed ** Stalin executions **! So did Stalin cover anti-Russians or get rid of them? Was Stalin an agent of Western influence? Anti-Stalinists drive themselves into a dead end with their propaganda!
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 7 December 2019 00: 48
                0
                Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                Well, the same Yeltsin, the son of a fist became the president of the country!
                In Russia, they forget about the two famous sons of the kulak. One became known back in the USSR, the other - the president of Russia (No. 1) ...
            2. Slavs
              Slavs 7 December 2019 00: 09
              0
              Quote: knn54
              (data from sources in Germany and the USA

              Long live the western sources !! The most truthful sources in the world !!
              Are you serious? I thought it was no longer fashionable to unearth the truth about my homeland from the Western archives.
              Scrotum screams about Soviet propaganda right up to convulsions, but why forget about the Western propmachine? PR their invention, and very effective and dangerous, Comrade Shpakovsky authoritatively confirm.
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 7 December 2019 07: 35
            +2
            I agree with you. Bandera began to raise their heads in 90-91gg.
            Bandera raised their heads in about 86-87. In Lviv, on the square near the Opera House, veterans of the SS and UPA began marching in 89, if not 88.
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        4. Konstantin Shevchenko
          Konstantin Shevchenko 6 December 2019 21: 56
          +1
          Write garbage. The terrible thing is that the USSR artificially created nations by distributing blood-paid lands with a light hand. And correctly writes evgic. Now we are reaping the benefits.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 6 December 2019 23: 25
            -1
            Lands were handed out with good intentions. It’s like today in Europe with migrants, newcomers must join the skeleton. Take today. the tasks are the same. Our actions? Jokes about the poor fit into the oligarchs are not accepted!
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 6 December 2019 23: 29
            +3
            Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
            Scary thing USSR artificially created nations distributing lands with a light hand paid in blood.

            Horror how scary! Yes, you name what nation of the USSR created, which did not exist? And what kind of land did you give it to?

            And the fact that the division into republics inside the country It happened, perhaps arbitrarily, so the USSR did not plan to disintegrate.

            There were no dummies then, to row everything for yourself, with the prospect of falling apart. And so that all the "good" only remains for itself. We thought in other categories. Therefore, all your accusations against the USSR are simply ridiculous.
            1. sevryuk
              sevryuk 8 December 2019 17: 35
              0
              On the territory of the USSR there were 6 nations: Armenians, Georgians, troebals and Russians. Everyone else has created.
        5. anykin
          anykin 6 December 2019 22: 56
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          Is this what the USSR Bandera cultivated?

          This turned out to be an Overton window (
        6. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 December 2019 23: 10
          0
          only here is the question of where did they come from? and they were there all this time. evolved. held positions in the leadership of the region. and waiting in the wings.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 6 December 2019 19: 47
        +10
        In 91, they cut it alive. From where the Russians did not work out, they began to make them non-Russians. Without exception, all fragments of the USSR are one and the same "project". Anti-Soviet and anti-Russian.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 6 December 2019 20: 14
          0
          Quote: lexus
          From where the Russians couldn’t be kicked out, they began to make them non-Russians.
          Vladimir Zelensky posthumously conferred the title of Hero of Ukraine to two colonels of the SBU Denis Volochaev and Dmitry Kaplunov
        2. Spartanez300
          Spartanez300 6 December 2019 21: 46
          +1
          Art, these are far-reaching plans.
        3. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 6 December 2019 23: 31
          0
          They continue to cut today. Is the Baltic States or Ukraine an anti-Soviet or anti-Russian project? Tomorrow they will offer a special economic zone of Sakhalin or the Far East, or Udmurtia, or Tatarstan, and so on. Here are the TORAs? Is it a mine or a detonator?
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 6 December 2019 20: 12
        0
        Quote: evgic
        The USSR leadership gave birth to this Frankenstein, and kicked people into the outskirts who did not know about it.

        It began after the revolution, comrade Kaganovich tried his best, but Khrushchev had already come off in full, Brezhnev did not touch Ukraine at all, or simply pulled away. What we have now.
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 6 December 2019 23: 39
          0
          The logic of the development of Ukraine was also. Ukraine on the outskirts of Russia. Nearby and Western Europe. Industry in Ukraine was created for Europe? Given the distance, yes! Not so simple with our outskirts! We must weigh the pros and cons! Ukraine is like megacities today. Minimum cost, maximum profit! Therefore, the megalopolis Ukraine was created. In a nutshell can not describe, but I think the meaning is clear. hi
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      5. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 6 December 2019 23: 07
        -2
        Joining Russian regions to Ukraine also made sense. Which one? The worldview of the proletariat and the farmer. It was also a struggle for the minds. The goals were good. Today, farmers won on the outskirts. As in Russia of the 90s. Thinking is the same. The main thing is me!
    2. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 6 December 2019 19: 41
      0
      And the money for all this? De take (from whom)? I do not mean "to clean the clearing" - everything is clear. And after the cleanup. "The glade must be covered all the time," but the self-assembled tablecloth was not invented. laughing
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 6 December 2019 19: 45
        +5
        Quote: Alex Nevs
        And the money for all this? De take (from whom)? I do not mean "to clean the clearing" - everything is clear. And after the cleanup. "The glade must be covered all the time," but the self-assembled tablecloth was not invented. laughing

        We, and even with Ukraine .. are completely self-sufficient .. where to get money .. here for example: http: //igor-shibalkin.ru/predvybornaya-programma-grudinina.html
        It is enough to return the "natural heritage" and the turnover of alcohol to the state ... and the money will be very much even ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 December 2019 11: 10
          -1
          Quote: Svarog
          We, and even with Ukraine .. are completely self-sufficient .. where to get money ..

          The capitalist state does not imply the availability of money from the state, but the availability of money from the private owner.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 7 December 2019 11: 22
            -1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            A capitalist state does not imply that the state has money ...

            And what is the state budget then? wink
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 7 December 2019 12: 22
              -1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              And what is the state budget then?

              This is all that remains of the sharing by private owners.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 7 December 2019 12: 30
                -2
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                And what is the state budget then?

                This is all that remains of the sharing by private owners.

                This is trepidation. However, here it is -

                Quote: tihonmarine
                The capitalist state does not assume that the state has money

                - also trepidation. Degrading buddy request
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 7 December 2019 12: 54
                  -2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  also trepidation. Degrading buddy

                  But you are flying with happiness on the wings. You are pleased with the education and medicine, and of course the pension reform. All the people see this, just like Minya Abramovich banging hooves, that the Saudi sheikh built a yacht more than he
                  “Yacht Abramovich” is 170 meters long and 22 meters wide. The body is made of nanotechnology. The vessel has a twin engine - the same number of screws on two shafts. Its speed develops from twenty two to thirty eight knots. This is the most luxurious structure of all motor ships. The total cost of the Eclipse yacht today is $ 1,2 billion.
                  And "Kuznetsov" has a lower speed, and there is not enough money for repairs. I am not a friend to such bots as you Golovan to the defenders of the capitalists.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 7 December 2019 13: 00
                    -1
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    But you are flying with happiness on the wings. You are pleased with the education and medicine, and of course the pension reform

                    Darling, you came up with it for me.

                    You invented it yourself, you invented it yourself
                    You yourself came up with something that is not ...


                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    And "Kuznetsov" has a lower speed

                    And in the garden - elder, and in Kiev - uncle ...

                    А you are another local body that cannot answer for your words. Rr-divorced you negative
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 7 December 2019 13: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Rr-divorced you

                      Botov Golovanov.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 7 December 2019 13: 12
                        -4
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Rr-divorced you

                        Botov Golovanov.

                        Quiet ... Marina laughing
                      2. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 7 December 2019 14: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Quiet ... Marina

                        Well, the little boy lost his temper.
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    4. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 6 December 2019 22: 24
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      . Russia's actions are often not understood in relation to this geopolitical project .. The leadership of the USSR would have cleared the clearing quickly .. and would become Ukraine, the Russian project and again brothers ..

      The leadership of the USSR created this problem "Ukraine". Gave her life ... Then ... By the way, today is the anniversary of the collapse of the USSR - December 8 - the 28th anniversary of the collapse of the USSR by the leadership of the USSR ... Then the greedy heirs of the Central Committee of the CPSU, former "communists" Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko and Poroshenko with tymoshenko (one son-in-law CCKPU member, second daughter-in-law of a CCKPU member) created a problem ... We were taught socialism and communism, and they themselves plundered the country and plunged it into mud and blood .. Lying and corrupt. I truly hate them! For lies, for venality and hatred of their own people. They defamed Socialism, the communist movement for decades.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 6 December 2019 23: 55
        -1
        Yes, the leadership did not create problems with Ukraine! On the contrary. We tried to solve the problems. These are the problems of thinking in the first place. Take the thinking of the current leadership of Russia. This is the thinking of the same Ukrainians from the farms! The main thing is my yard and my cattle!
        We were taught socialism and communism, and they plundered the country and plunged it into dirt and blood .. False and corrupt. I sincerely hate them! For a lie, for corruption and hatred for one’s own people.
        Well, how are they rubbing about patriotism today with different citizenship and real estate accounts ?! [quote Defamed Socialism, the communist movement for decades] [/ quote] Well, how did they defame ?! Speaking of people, they talk about capitalism. Speaking about themselves and scolding socialism with communism, they are very willing to use their postulates. The same Putin, scolding socialism, used social guarantees to raise his salary like other officials. top managers also have social guarantees in the form of golden parachutes! Top management lives by the principle of communism - to each according to his needs! Who substantiates their salaries and bonuses with economic calculations? So now think about the unreality or reality of socialism and communism!
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 7 December 2019 09: 26
        +1
        Interestingly, for that minus .. Where on my blog at least a word is not true. What doesn’t like the truth ... It’s better to stick your head in the sand and remember how good it was to stand in lines, lick the ass to the bosses so that they would not be pushed back to the place in the kindergarten and on the refrigerator.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 December 2019 14: 11
          +1
          Quote: 30 vis
          Interestingly, for that minus .. Where on my blog at least a word is not true. What doesn’t like the truth ... It’s better to stick your head in the sand and remember how good it was to stand in lines, lick the ass to the bosses so that they would not be pushed back to the place in the kindergarten and on the refrigerator.

          Well, they don’t like the truth, for them it’s true, like for cats a valerian.
        2. Kronos
          Kronos 8 December 2019 00: 43
          0
          Yes, now the bosses don’t lick ass and there are no queues and refrigerators with gardens
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 8 December 2019 08: 28
            0
            Quote: Kronos
            Yes, now the bosses don’t lick ass and there are no queues and refrigerators with gardens

            Back to the bosses will always lick. fellow But from this option we exclude licking the backside for fear that they are pushed back in line to the refrigerator and the washing machine .. hi
    5. Proton
      Proton 7 December 2019 04: 48
      0
      The actions of individual politicians, it is not necessary for the whole of Russia
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 6 December 2019 19: 35
    0
    We must admit our mistakes and that they successfully implemented the project, I think we need to focus on economic strangulation, but this is a long-term project.
    1. Proton
      Proton 7 December 2019 04: 49
      0
      Is your surname Akhejakov accidentally? laughing
  3. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 6 December 2019 19: 52
    +12
    Any imbecile understands that our people were divided. We quarreled with Ukraine, rolled to Belarus. And why? But so that there are no such pictures:
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 6 December 2019 19: 56
      +10
      Quote: Old Fuck
      Any imbecile understands that our people were divided. We quarreled with Ukraine, rolled to Belarus. And why? But so that there are no such pictures:

      Wonderful comment! good hi
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    2. Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 6 December 2019 21: 04
      +2
      I remember the Ukrainian troops did not dare to send either Peter -1 or Karl-12 to the battle, as both very much doubted their loyalty (and not without reason) and both held a significant part of their troops for Ukrainians control
      1. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 7 December 2019 00: 04
        -1
        Poland, Ukraine, Jews. Vague suspicions torment me! If Jews came from Poland to Ukraine, then who are the Ukrainians? Odessa humor, Odessa Jews, Odessa is a Russian city! What is the outskirts of Russia? Poles, Russians, Jews?
      2. Slavs
        Slavs 7 December 2019 00: 21
        +1
        And were there Ukrainians under Peter?
        1. Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 7 December 2019 01: 13
          -2
          There were, otherwise, who was Mazepa ... Well, he was like a woman with low social responsibility and managed to swear allegiance to Russia (Peter-1) and Sweden (Karl-12) and Turkey (Ahmed-3) during his life , but it is Ukraine that prints his image on his money and considers it a national hero, not Mongolia and Madagascar ...
          1. Slavs
            Slavs 7 December 2019 13: 22
            -1
            Yes, I did not find on the maps of that period of Ukraine ... That's the trouble ...
            1. Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 7 December 2019 14: 13
              0
              They searched poorly ... Who, then, in 1654 crawled into Russia from Poland, if not Ukraine? Maybe you change citizenship and the flag, and then something starts to smack of Bandera and independence ...
              1. Slavs
                Slavs 8 December 2019 15: 34
                -1
                There was a hetmanshchina, there were voivodships, there was a Sich ... There was no Ukraine .. And Peter called them Little Russian backgammon ... And he did not speak very well of them ... Ukraine appeared from the age of 17 ...
                Quote: Sapsan136
                I remember Ukrainian troops

                This is you about the Cossacks, most likely ...
                My flag and citizenship were originally Soviet, after 91 years of the Russian Federation.
                Before navigating by smell, dig in naphthyzine, your sense of smell fails.
                Now explain, what is the cause of aggression? You yourself used the wrong terminology and I hinted at it to you, not trying to challenge your opinion, as I generally agree on this issue.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 December 2019 14: 17
      0
      Quote: Old Fuck
      But so that there are no such pictures:

      And there would be pictures from the gameparades
  4. Seaflame
    Seaflame 6 December 2019 20: 17
    +1
    Even before the 1917 revolution, the ideas of independence in Little Russia were popular. Among the Kiev intelligentsia and the clergy as well. So it’s not worth it to blame everything on the Communists (although they brought us problems with the Crimea)
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 7 December 2019 00: 10
      -1
      Even before the 1917 revolution, the ideas of independence in Little Russia were popular.

      To go nuts independence! Independence from Russia and dependence on Germany !? 1941 year The same song! 1991 year. Healthy again! year 2014. From whom is independence? Is history moving in a spiral !?
  5. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 6 December 2019 21: 01
    +1
    The bulk of Ukrainians argue that Ukraine has not existed before 1991 and needs to be counted from this year ... There are two reasons for this: 1) The history of Ukraine, this is the history of slavery and betrayal since Mazepa and the like, and they don’t like to remember it in Ukraine, although since Mazepa, little has changed there, if it has changed at all ... The same Kolomoisky is still ready to sell and sell anything and anyone, even himself, if the price converges ... and he didn’t say it, it was voiced by his mouth Government point of view ... 2) Independent Ukraine existed only in Anica 1654, in which Ukraine was a part of Russia, and it is to remember, too, do not want to Ukraine as recognizing this half now assigned land Ukraine will have to return to neighboring countries
  6. demo
    demo 6 December 2019 21: 11
    0
    That's interesting.
    Hearing caresses.
    Lie down on the soul.
    But the presentation style is slightly lame. On slang goes astray.
    Thieves gives.
  7. anjey
    anjey 6 December 2019 21: 40
    +1
    to do everything to annoy Russia, try to restrain Russian development, and prevent the reunification of the Russian (in the broad sense of the word) people.
    Golden words, right at the root of the modern Western project "Ukraine".
  8. Ivan Z
    Ivan Z 6 December 2019 22: 48
    0
    The third time I repeat this utter nonsense !!!
  9. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 7 December 2019 02: 05
    +1
    Quickly, this video is almost four years old, but I watched it.
  10. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 7 December 2019 04: 25
    +1
    It was in Soviet times that the elites of almost all the Union republics matured, and I didn’t how and why planted a time bomb under the barely created USSR, securing the Republic’s right to self-determination.
    1. sevryuk
      sevryuk 8 December 2019 17: 42
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      The right to self-determination existed along with the article about encroachment on the territorial integrity of the USSR. By the way, there is a feeling that all "patriots of independent states" will answer on it.
  11. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 7 December 2019 10: 50
    +1
    Countries separated by national borders will inevitably fall apart along them as soon as the center gives slack. This threatens our country.
  12. sevryuk
    sevryuk 8 December 2019 17: 39
    0
    Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
    This is the thinking of the same Ukrainians from the farms! The main thing is my yard and my cattle!

    No, this is a feudal project: they divided the country into territories and feed on them.