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Bulgarian brake: the barrier to the "Turkish stream"

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Russian President Vladimir Putin recently spoke harshly against Bulgaria. It was the obstacles from the side of this country that the implementation of the Turkish Stream project, an important gas pipeline to the south, came up against. The head of the Russian state has promised to find an alternative way if Bulgaria continues to change its behavior.


How Bulgaria left itself without South Stream


At one time, namely five years ago, Bulgaria played a key role in curtailing the old Russian project for the construction of the South Stream gas pipeline. Then the Bulgarian leadership refused to allow construction until the project was in compliance with European law. It was about the fact that under the laws of the EU the same company can not simultaneously transport and sell gas. Thus, according to the logic of the Bulgarian side, after the construction of the gas pipeline, other companies, not the Russian Gazprom, should have been allowed to sell incoming gas.

Under pressure from the European Commission, Bulgaria in June and August 2014 stopped the construction of the highway. At the same time, pipes for the first string of the gas pipeline have already been delivered to Bulgarian Varna. On December 1 of 2014, work was supposed to begin on the offshore section of the gas pipeline, but they never started.

Bulgaria then acted in favor of its sponsors - the European Union and the United States, trying to harm Russia. For the sake of Western patronage, Sofia once again betrayed Russian-Bulgarian friendship and even her own financial and economic interests, having begun to sabotage the construction of the South Stream.

Naturally, such conditions did not suit the Russian side. As a result, Russia agreed with Turkey to build the Turkish Stream. Before that, Vladimir Putin said that Russia is refusing to build the South Stream because of the unconstructive position taken by the European Commission. Then, on December 1 of 2014, the head of Gazprom Alexey Miller announced that the South Stream project was closed and there would be no return to it.

Russia began construction of the Turkish Stream, also in December 2014, signing an agreement with the Turkish Botas Petroleum Pipeline Corporation. This gas pipeline with a length of 930 km runs along the bottom of the Black Sea to the Turkish coast, and its land part, with a length of 180 km, passes through Turkey to the border with Greece. The first line of the pipeline is designed to provide gas to Turkey, and the second line is designed to supply gas to the countries of South-East and Southern Europe. The power of each thread is 15,75 billion cubic meters.


The Turkish Stream gas pipeline has become Russia's most important fuel and energy project in the south, an analogue of the Nord Stream-2 pipeline, which is being built in Northern Europe. Naturally, many countries in Southeast and Southern Europe associate the improvement of their gas supply with the new gas pipeline. Bulgaria is no exception. After all, its geographical location actually isolates the country from the main gas transmission routes.

The Russian gas pipeline is vital for Bulgaria!


The Russian South Stream project was for the Bulgarian side one of the very few chances to load its gas transportation system and gain the opportunity to earn on the transit of Russian gas to European countries. Otherwise, Bulgaria would have to buy gas from other countries and, accordingly, be left without cash receipts for its transit.

Over time, Sofia realized what mistake they had made, and turned to Moscow with a request to allow Bulgaria to participate in the Turkish Stream. Indeed, otherwise Bulgaria would have lost enormous and guaranteed funds coming in as a payment for the transit of gas through its territory.

Almost three weeks after the signing of the agreement between Russia and the Turkish corporation, Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov "woke up" who said that Sofia was ready to provide all the necessary permits for the construction of the South Stream gas transmission pipeline. But it was too late.

Sofia even promised to initiate legal proceedings against Gazprom if the Turkish Stream gas pipeline suddenly bypasses Bulgarian land. In addition, Bulgaria was afraid that if gas to Turkey after the construction of the "Turkish Stream" goes around Ukraine, then it will not come to Bulgaria and the country will be in a very unfavorable situation. But the Turkish Stream was built, like the Nord Stream-2, in order to diversify gas supply routes from Russia abroad.

On June 19 on June 2015, Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak announced that he was receiving calls from the Bulgarian side with a request to resume the South Stream project. Apparently, the Bulgarian leadership by this time had already fully realized what opportunities the country had lost due to the fact that it was following the European Commission.

On 21 on May 2018, President of Bulgaria Rumen Radev stated that Bulgaria needs Russian gas, and on 30 on May 2018, Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov during his visit to Russia officially apologized to Moscow for disrupting the South Stream and uttered very revealing words:

I am grateful that Russia does not hold evil. The elder always forgives.


And Russia really forgave the Bulgarian leadership. On 18 on September 2019, a contract for 1,1 billion euros was signed between Bulgartransgaz and the Arkad consortium led by Saudi Arkad Engineering. The contract provided for the design, supply of all necessary building materials, construction and commissioning of a gas pipeline from the Turkish-Bulgarian to the Bulgarian-Serbian border.

This is how the project “Balkan Stream” appeared - the branch of the “Turkish Stream” that follows from the border with Turkey to the border with Serbia through the territory of Bulgaria. The length of this highway is 474 kilometers. At the same time, Russia has already done everything in its power to make the gas pipeline operational; now it’s Bulgaria’s business, but it was she who became the new obstacle to completing the gas pipeline construction.

Further from Bulgaria, the gas pipeline will go to Serbia and then to Hungary and Slovakia, which also expect to receive Russian gas in this direction. At the same time, there are no problems with Hungary and Slovakia, and these countries, especially Hungary, in recent years have also shown a rather independent position on many important issues, especially in the field of economic cooperation with the Russian side.

What makes Sofia sabotage the construction


In fact, Bulgaria itself insisted that the Turkish Stream pass through its territory, but when Russia agreed to the persuasion of the Bulgarian side, the situation with the South Stream repeated. Bulgaria began to drag out construction in every way, which ultimately forced Vladimir Putin, who met with Serbian President Alexander Vučić, to speak harshly to Sofia.

At the same time, Putin noted that the Serbs, unlike the Bulgarians, lay gas pipeline pipes in record time. Every day in Serbia, 6 kilometers of the gas pipeline are leased. The most difficult task when laying a gas pipeline on Serbian territory was to lay it through a section under the Danube River in the area of ​​the town of Smederevo, which is located 50 km southeast of Belgrade.

We need to hurry, because according to the plans of the Russian Ministry of Energy, Turkish Stream was planned to be launched in January of the 2020 of the year. The necessary infrastructure should be ready by this time. As for the Bulgarian side, the Balkan Stream intends to launch by the 2020 year, but for this it is already necessary to hurry up with the construction work, which the Russian authorities still do not see.


At the same time, the Bulgarian side does not refuse to participate in the Turkish Stream in words. Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov immediately responded to criticism from Vladimir Putin and invited the latter to come to Bulgaria to be convinced of the high speed of the gas pipeline construction on Bulgarian territory: supposedly, Bulgarian builders surrender 5 kilometers, which is only slightly inferior to the pace of neighboring Serbia .

However, it is unlikely that Vladimir Putin would accuse the Bulgarian side of sabotaging the construction of the pipeline without good reason. It is clear that the gas pipeline is beneficial to the Bulgarian side, there is no doubt about it. But Putin bluntly stated that Sofia could slow down its construction under external pressure. And this is pressure from the United States and the leadership of the European Union.

But, first of all, the USA is, of course, the main opponent of construction. They are extremely unprofitable for additional Russian "energy expansion" in Europe, and therefore, Washington is devising various ways to prevent Russian gas transmission projects, both from Nord Stream-2 and from Turkish Stream. But if it is no longer possible to talk with Turkey from a position of strength, then Bulgaria remains the link that you can always put pressure on.

By the way, the Bulgarian authorities themselves made this clear, having told their version of the dispute over the construction of the gas pipeline.

Purely politically they don’t like that Bulgaria is such a loyal and strong member of NATO and the EU,

- Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov described criticism from the Russian president.

That is, he made it clear that the reasons for the Bulgarian slowness lie in the political sphere, and compliance with all the requirements of the European Union for the construction of highways is only an excuse that can always be found. Apparently, the Bulgarian leadership expects that "the elder will forgive" now.


After all, Russia has forgiven Bulgaria so many times - both after the First World War and after the Second World War, in which Sofia participated on the side of the fierce opponents of the Russian state. Russia continued to cooperate with Bulgaria even after it joined NATO, turning the country into an ally of the United States and a conductor of American interests in the Balkans.

But is it worth to expect “forgiveness” in the event of a repeated failure to launch the pipeline? Vladimir Putin made it clear that it’s not worth it, since Russia will seek alternative gas transit options if the Bulgarian state cannot protect its own interests and succumb to pressure from the United States and the European Union.

If Sofia repeats the South Stream experience a second time, then she will remain the fool, since the Turkish Stream will function quietly without Bulgaria participating in it. It is enough that Turkey, Greece, Serbia and other countries of the region will buy Russian gas.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 9 December 2019 06: 13
    +11
    Something brothers have become "difficult", like our southern non-brothers! am
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 9 December 2019 06: 23
      +8
      It's time to end forgiving them all their heinous deeds. Bulgarians need to decide with whom it is more important for them to cooperate and make friends. On two chairs at the same time will not work to sit down.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 9 December 2019 06: 29
        +9
        I am grateful that Russia does not hold evil. The elder always forgives.

        Well, it’s necessary what ... spat on our back and immediately thanks for not keeping evil ... the brooding cynicism of the brother.
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          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 9 December 2019 09: 13
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            As elsewhere. So in Bulgaria there is power and there is a people under this power ... Since the 90s of the last 20 century, power in Bulgaria is completely under the Americans. Totally !. . They dragged Bulgaria into NATO and the EU. And with Bulgarian frenzy, he fulfills all the instructions of the State Department, even to the detriment of his country and people. IM A place at the trough of power is more expensive than ... the sovereignty of their country. The country itself and its people. According to Bulgarian scientists, the annual benefit then from the South Stream through Bulgaria was 2. 7 billion US dollars per year. But the project was then stopped and naturally . as directed by the USA (as well as the construction of a Belene nuclear power plant). although the pipes for have already been stockpiled in Bulgaria ..
            The people of Bulgaria, as then and now, are divided 50% by 50% in relation to Russia. Some are brothers. Calling the rest "brothers" - the language does not turn. They are directed to work in Europe .... and they are strongly hostile against Russia (yes, there were such things before) ..
            To punish economically a country or people is not a Russian occupation. Liberation and help always went from Europe to Russia .. sometimes to the detriment of Russia itself .. The President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, spoke about such an approach to business and politics at a forum with German businessmen ..
            Leaders and rulers come and go, and countries and peoples. Usually remain .. or dissolve in large ones, losing themselves and their identity ... which is happening now in Bulgaria
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 9 December 2019 11: 38
              +9
              Quote: To be or not to be
              To punish economically a country or people is not a Russian occupation.

              what is the "punishment"?
              Russia should do only what is beneficial to it.

              If someone, along the way, is "punished", it is not her business.
              1. To be or not to be
                To be or not to be 9 December 2019 11: 49
                0
                Being able to sell gas = art ... and geopolitics ...
                The United States is not trying to foist its shale Europe. Alas. little bad
                1. Alexey LK
                  Alexey LK 11 December 2019 19: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: To be or not to be
                  Being able to sell gas = art ... and geopolitics ...

                  To be able to prevent others from selling gas is no less an art, especially if such gas is the cheapest ... But the question is also who will be able to exert greater influence on Bulgaria - the EU and the USA or the Russian Federation and Turkey - the latter is also beneficial to The Balkan stream has earned.
            2. pytar
              pytar 9 December 2019 11: 59
              -5
              As elsewhere. So in Bulgaria there is power and there are people under this power ...

              I want to ask how is it in the Russian Federation?
              According to the estimates of Bulgarian scientists, the annual benefit then from UP through Bulgaria was $ 2 billion a year.

              If only UP has earned! And since the final counterparties of the EU and the Russian Federation did not have time to come to an agreement, UP could not make money! From the word "absolutely"! It does not make the slightest sense to drag the Gazprom pipe where they do not want it! One multi-billion dollar losses will come out! That's the whole truth!
              The people of Bulgaria, both then and now, are divided in relation to Russia by fifi fiti - 50% to 50%

              There is nothing like that. The overwhelming majority of the Bulgarian people are positive and friendly towards Russians. There are people who do not recall the communist ideology identified with the USSR. There are those who do not like the politics of modern Russia. But this has nothing to do with Russophbia or Russophilia.
              Leaders and rulers come and go, and countries and peoples. Usually remain .. or dissolve in large ones, losing themselves and their identity ... which is happening now in Bulgaria

              Yes! Everything will be fine, and the Bulgarians, as they were 13 centuries, will be 13 more! Do not dissolve, do not disappear, you can be 100% sure! We experienced a lot of things, we will survive a lot more! Empires, conquerors, threw themselves into history, and here we stand on the Balkans and will stand!
              1. To be or not to be
                To be or not to be 9 December 2019 12: 13
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                here is the forecast on the Prian.ru website for Bulgaria ..
                https://prian.ru/news/chislennost-naseleniya-bolgarii-nikogda-ne-uvelichitsya.html
                and here is bulgaria news https://www.novinite.com/articles/197940/UN%3A+There+Will+Never+Be+More+People+Living+in+Bulgaria
                "According to the latest forecast of the United Nations, the population of Bulgaria will never exceed 7 million. At the best, at the end of the century the country will have 5,5 million," according to Novinite.com.

                Demographic projections increase the likelihood of the worst case scenario, according to which 2100 million people will live in Bulgaria in 2,18. Now only Sofia and Plovdiv inhabit the same amount. The UN forecast is more optimistic: the population of the Bulgarians will decrease by 1 million by 2038 and will amount to 5,9 million people, by 2059 - 4,9 million, by 2085 - less than 4 million, and by the end of the century - 3,6 million .

                The UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs also included a “zero migration” scenario in the report. If the number of inhabitants of Bulgaria equals the number of those who leave it, then by 2040 there will be less than 6 million people in the country, by 2066 - less than 5 million, and at the end of the 4,2st century - XNUMX million inhabitants. "
                1. pytar
                  pytar 9 December 2019 12: 31
                  +5
                  here is the forecast on the Prian.ru website for Bulgaria

                  The demographic crisis has covered the whole white race. In the Russian Federation, the situation is not much better. Neither the South nor the Turkish Stream have anything to do with this problem. In history, demography was worse. We survived and will survive again. Do not extinguish thu scho not go out!
                  1. kapitan92
                    kapitan92 9 December 2019 14: 41
                    +4
                    Quote: pytar
                    We survived and will survive again. Do not extinguish thu scho not go out!

                    Boyan, hi. hi
                    The Slavs know how to do this, which is shown by history, despite the "stake" that the mattress is trying to drive into our faith, memory, history.
                    Come on to the point.
                    "South Stream" !!! Torn off through the fault of the Bulgarian authorities, Plevneliev, Borisov did their job and worked out 30 pennies, this is a fact. Gazprom incurred losses of 600 million euros and did not seek compensation in court, as in the case of Belene. This is also a fact.
                    "Turkish Stream" !!! The Bulgarian authorities have asked Russia not to "forget" them when building a route to central Europe, this is a fact.
                    Bulgaria has undertaken to build a "pipe" through its territory to Serbia in the "shortest possible time". For half a year you sued, arranged a tender, in general, you didn't do a damn thing. This can be classified as ordinary sabotage of the project to please the States. Let me remind you that your Prime Minister Boyko Borisov was received by Trump in the States on November 25.11.
                    How can this be understood? It has to be understood as follows: The government of Bulgaria has lost its independence and is unable to pursue an independent foreign policy without a "gulp" from Brussels and Washington.
                    Quote: pytar
                    The demographic crisis has covered the whole white race. In the Russian Federation, the situation is not much better. Neither South nor Turkish Stream have anything to do with this problem.

                    In this you are right! The demographic crisis is indeed the scourge of the "white race" and the situation in Russia is also not better, our birth rate is very low. The reasons? I think that the lion's share of the economy of our countries and the problem of employment of the population.
                    I think you will not deny that the "Turkish Stream" in Bulgaria, this is money for transit to the budget, this is jobs, this is a decrease in the cost of gas and gasification of towns and villages in Bulgaria. This is also a fact!
                    A week ago I returned from Bulgaria, unfortunately I could not get in touch with you, I wanted to meet, talk, there was too little time. I was invited to the wedding, the Russian bridegroom, the son of my colleague, and the Bulgarian bride, all this was in Blagoevgrad and far from you.
                    You also have enough problems: 95 rubles for gasoline are 88 rubles for "ours", electricity has risen in price several times, and even "swine flu", which, I think, was thrown at you by your competitors from the west and you destroyed half of the livestock. Food prices are also growing by leaps and bounds.
                    Well, something like that, Boyan! I perfectly understand, like most colleagues on the forum, that little is dependent on you, but you cannot but recognize the problem that Gazprom and Russia came up with when the leadership of your country was directly sabotaged.
                    We are Slavs! We will break through! hi
                    1. verp19
                      verp19 9 December 2019 15: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: kapitan92
                      as in the case of "Belene". This is also a fact.


                      Is not a fact. Bulgaria was condemned. And I have to pay.

                      Quote: kapitan92
                      How can this be understood? It has to be understood as follows: The government of Bulgaria has lost its independence and is unable to pursue an independent foreign policy without a "gulp" from Brussels and Washington.


                      Before that, could it have been without a "little bit" from Moscow?

                      Quote: kapitan92
                      You also have enough problems: 95 rubles for gasoline are 88 rubles for "ours", electricity has risen in price several times, and even "swine flu", which, I think, was thrown at you by your competitors from the west and you destroyed half of the livestock.


                      Well, not half, but ...
                      By the way, gasoline from Russian oil.

                      At this stage, we are on both sides of the baricades (thanks to Gorbachev). And in the near future we will remain so. How smart is it to get all your oil and gas from the state, which is the "enemy"? And as an ordinary consumer of Russian gas, I can say that it is too expensive a pleasure. Now Bulgaria buys gas for $ 266 per 1000 m3. The spot price is twofold lower.

                      Prices for Russian gas are better than prices for Bulgarian gas in Latvia, Lithuania, Germany, Greece, Romania, Italy and Hungary (see. Diagram). Pay more expensive only in Slovakia, Czech Republic, Slovenia and Estonia. It seems that the best tariffs were received from countries that have access to other gas sources (mainly LNG), such as Italy, Greece and Lithuania, natural gas is sold in the so-called. hubs (Germany, Hungary) or have their own loot (Romania).
                      1. kapitan92
                        kapitan92 9 December 2019 17: 51
                        +2
                        Quote: verp19
                        Is not a fact. Bulgaria was condemned. And I have to pay.

                        Facts - a stubborn thing! Bulgaria paid for the stupidity and venality of its leaders more than 600 million euros forfeit.
                        Regarding the legal proceedings against "UP", Russia did not submit to the international court, compromise decisions were reached with the European Union commission, nobody asked the opinion of the Bulgarians.
                        Quote: verp19
                        Before that, could it have been without a "little bit" from Moscow?

                        You are absolutely right! This once again shows that the country's leadership knows and does not have its own line.
                        Alas! It is a fact.
                        Quote: verp19
                        By the way, gasoline from Russian oil.

                        Do not dissemble! The market is divided between OMV and Lukoil, yes Lukoil bought a plant and a network of gas stations at the time, and half of gasoline and diesel. fuel goes through it from Lukoil's oil.
                        Quote: verp19
                        Yes, and as an ordinary consumer of Russian gas I can say - too expensive a satisfaction.

                        Quote: verp19
                        The spot price is lower in double.

                        Your government at one time signed a long-term contract with Gazprom, add the interests of your financial circles to this price and get the final price. You can buy on the spot market, but for some reason this does not happen.
                        hi
                    2. pytar
                      pytar 9 December 2019 15: 43
                      +3
                      Hi, Vyacheslav! hi It is a pity that we could not meet! I think we could talk about a lot of interesting things! And many of the questions posed by you could find out!
                      "South Stream" !!! Torn off through the fault of the Bulgarian authorities ...

                      The Bulgarian authorities have their share of the blame. But Gazprom also has its own weight. In rus-media it is difficult to find general information on the topic. Gazprom is using its info-resources to dump all the blame on Bulgaria, while bashfully keeping silent about its role in the failure of UP. Whatever it was, the topic is closed and there is no point in unrolling it.
                      Turkish stream - the highway through the BG is advantageous to Bulgaria and the Russian Federation. Therefore, we agreed. Neither the US nor the EU object to it. Moreover, they finance the Bulgarian part. Putin’s note has a different background ... In fact, everything goes according to the agreements and the deadlines are respected. As for the slowdown in administrative and judicial proceedings, I’m tired of repeating - Russia demanded guarantees from the EU, and the EU gave guarantees, only after strict compliance with these procedures! Slipping through the law is not how! To that obstruction did just Ross. firms! It is a fact!
                      I think you will not deny that the "Turkish Stream" in Bulgaria, this is money for transit to the budget, this is jobs, this is a decrease in the cost of gas and gasification of towns and villages in Bulgaria. This is also a fact!

                      In the first place is money in the pockets of the oligarchs. Russian, Bulgarian, etc. And how much they think about the people, watch this video! Somewhere in the middle they say about Bulgaria:

                      In fact, it is! Gazprom once sells gas to its subsidiary in Bulgaria! And then they resell it 3 times more expensive to consumers! In Bulgaria, all cities and towns have access to gas. Because of the prices, few people use it. In fact, Gazprom carries out a gas monopoly on the Bulgarian domestic market! You believe in seriosis that Miler and so on. will they care about the interests of Bulgarian consumers, if they take three skins from their backs from Russia?
                      About swine flu - well, more than once there were different epidemics of cattle. He was deliberately brought in or by accident, not to know. In principle, if it is raging in a neighboring country and comes to us.
                      We are Slavs! We will break through!

                      That's right! good We cannot be defeated! But first you need to stop blaming each other for all sorts of invented sins, because it works for the enemies of the Slavs! Happy Vyacheslav! May God give you health, prosperity and peace to you and your family! drinks Cheers!
                      1. kapitan92
                        kapitan92 9 December 2019 17: 57
                        +3
                        Quote: pytar
                        That's for sure! We cannot be defeated! But first you need to stop blaming each other for all sorts of invented sins, because it works for the enemies of the Slavs! Happy Vyacheslav! May God give you health, prosperity and peace to you and your family! Nazdrave!

                        God willing, we will "intersect"! And for a bottle of brandy, we'll come to a consensus. laughing
                        Live healthy! See you everywhere! drinks hi
                      2. Oyo Sarkazmi
                        Oyo Sarkazmi 9 December 2019 19: 55
                        -3
                        The wholesale price of gas for December 2015 for Bulgaria through UP was determined at $ 180 per 1 thousand cubic meters. Through Ukraine-Romania, Bulgaria at that time received 250. About the same amount will now be through Turkey. So the flight to billions in the past - and even to the sane future. Bulgaria will always be the poorest EU country.
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                1. nedgen
                  nedgen 10 December 2019 01: 14
                  0
                  Sorry, but you have at least an inaccuracy if not a direct forgery. Nord Stream -2 is being built as a replacement for transit through Ukraine and has NO relation to South Stream. It has never been planned to deliver gas from UP to Germany !!!
                  1. Oyo Sarkazmi
                    Oyo Sarkazmi 10 December 2019 13: 31
                    -2
                    TP + SP2 = UP
                    It wasn’t planned to Germany, but to Austria - the largest switch in Europe - yes. Here you and Germany, and France, and Italy.
              3. Alexey LK
                Alexey LK 11 December 2019 20: 04
                -1
                Quote: pytar
                If only UP has earned! And since the final counterparties of the EU and the Russian Federation did not have time to come to an agreement, UP could not make money! From the word "absolutely"!

                This is with whom exactly from the countries through which the UP should pass, did not have time to agree? Only with Bulgaria - write so ... the EU is not the ultimate beneficiary, it is just a bureaucratic superstructure, against which the Bulgarian government did not dare to speak out (I am silent about the USA - maybe there was some pressure, but we can only guess). In principle, it is understandable why - Bulgaria receives substantial subsidies from the EU and it is really hard to resist Brussels. But normal people, at least, would immediately apologize, and not in 4 years ... And then - the trend turns out: the Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline, then Belene NPP, then South Stream - how can you be trusted after that? It’s not at all about non-brother-brothers, it’s about ordinary business logic.
                Quote: pytar
                Everything will be fine, and the Bulgarians, as they were 13 centuries, will be 13 more!

                Sorry for the question, but how many of these 13 centuries was Bulgaria an independent, independent state?
                1. pytar
                  pytar 11 December 2019 21: 11
                  +2
                  This is with whom exactly from the countries through which the UP should pass, did not have time to agree?

                  List the countries from which you received Standing Permitsfor the UP track?
                  Sorry for the question, but how many of these 13 centuries was Bulgaria an independent, independent state?

                  "Danube Bulgaria" ~ 5-6 centuries. Forgive me for the question, how much is Russia (the Grand Duchy of Moscow, the Russian kingdom, etc.)? By the way, how many centuries did serfdom continue?
                  1. Alexey LK
                    Alexey LK 12 December 2019 17: 39
                    0
                    Quote: pytar
                    who have received Permits for standing

                    If you are on paperwork, such as licenses and so on, then, of course, they did not execute, because it became clear that because of Bulgaria the project would not take place - this is logical. But the agreement was officially confirmed by all but Bulgaria.
                    Quote: pytar
                    5-6 centuries

                    I’m talking about the same thing - the existence of the people is one thing, and the existence of the state is another. The people themselves will survive (probably) without any pipelines, but the Bulgarian state of UP would significantly strengthen! It was about the state of Bulgaria, and you jumped on the topic of the people - this is such a trick from the field of demagogy, and not for serious discussion. This is so similar to the rhetoric of the Bulgarian authorities!
                    Quote: pytar
                    Grand Duchy of Moscow, Russian Kingdom, etc.

                    Generally speaking, it is necessary to start at least with Kievan Rus. But I did not try to compare the antiquity of peoples - this is generally useless. And even more so it is not clear why you mentioned "serfdom"? Do you really not understand that the conversation is not at all about which people are "cooler", or are you pretending not to understand it? Once again - we are talking specifically about the modern Bulgarian state and its interests, and the interests of its citizens, even if they were one third or half Muslim Turks (for example) - it does not matter!
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 12 December 2019 19: 46
                      +1
                      If you are about paperwork .... then, of course, they did not draw up, because it became clear that because of Bulgaria the project would not take place - this is logical. But the agreement was officially confirmed by all but Bulgaria.

                      No! It is not logical, since if other countries gave Permits for the construction, Bulgaria would have a weighty argument against the European Commission! What means "the agreements were officially confirmed"? Like "officially" blah blah blah ...?
                      I’m talking about the same thing - the existence of the people is one thing, and the existence of the state is another.

                      I gave you the exact answer! I can even count by years. And with what / from what time, the beginning of the Russian state can be considered, disputes do not subside! There are no such ambiguities in Bulgaria. Okay, gone ...
                      but the Bulgarian state of UP would significantly strengthen!

                      How? Bearing multi-billion losses? Do you seriously believe UP is comparable in importance to the rest of the gigantic spectrum of economic relations between Bulgaria and the EU?
                      Once again - we are talking about the modern Bulgarian state and its interests, and the interests of its citizens ...

                      Dear Alexei, you clearly do not accept that the modern Bulgarian state and its citizens may have interests that differ from your ideas! Of course you have the right to your opinion on the issue, I do not deny it. hi
                      1. Alexey LK
                        Alexey LK 16 December 2019 03: 27
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        but the Bulgarian state of UP would significantly strengthen!

                        How? Bearing multi-billion losses?


                        Well, if you manage to get losses from the transportation of tens of billions of cubic meters of gas per year, then yes, of course, UP is not needed. But other countries really want to be transit countries. And Bulgaria itself, it seems, now also wants. So it is not clear what kind of losses we are talking about. By the way, the Ukrainian "Naftogaz" for many years was unprofitable and was subsidized from the state budget of Ukraine despite the very good volumes of transit of Russian gas to Europe - but everything is clear there: corruption plus low gas prices for domestic consumers - it was not the state company that made money on gas, but oligarchs. And look at the ongoing struggle for transit! No, your arguments are still strange ...

                        Quote: pytar
                        Do you seriously believe UP is comparable in importance to the rest of the gigantic spectrum of economic relations between Bulgaria and the EU?


                        You know that, dear Boyan, I don’t want to suspect you of manipulating, although your words have already given enough reasons for this, I’ll say this: if the EU really raises the question like that, either transit of Russian gas or everything else (I repeat, I’m sure that no one has ever raised the question, but oh well, let it be on your conscience), then can anyone really trust the EU after that? What is there after all the talk of equality, mutual respect for interests, etc.? Then one should say so: Bulgaria is friends with those who are currently stronger (primarily in economic terms), and not just friends, but obeys everything. This is not a disaster, it is in the spirit of European values. But only in this case it is not worth pretending that other players will agree on something with you - it is more reasonable for them to speak immediately with Brussels, Paris, Berlin, Washington, Beijing, Ankara, incl. and the fate of the Balkans. By the way, for some reason I’m sure that if it were planned from the very beginning that a significant part of the revenues from the pipeline through Bulgaria would be received by American and European companies, then it would have long been built and operated at full capacity.
                        Good luck and thank you for your opinion! hi
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 16 December 2019 10: 32
                        0
                        Well, if you manage to get losses ... then yes, of course UP is not needed. But other countries really want to be transit countries. And Bulgaria itself, it seems, now also wants to. So it’s not clear what kind of losses we are talking about. ... And look, what a struggle for transit is going on now! No, you still have strange arguments ...

                        I'm tired of repeating obvious things! If the UP had been built in violation of EU laws, the ego would not have been able to put into operation. Bulgaria, Romania, Greece are EU members and the laws of the Union apply in their territories! In countries not members of the Union / Turkey, Serbia, Russia / their laws. Each country is interested in being a transit country, but subject to the laws acting on its territory! Do you propose building structures in violation of their laws? This is your strange argument ...
                        You know that, dear Boyan, I don’t want to suspect you of manipulating, although your words have already given enough reasons for this, I’ll say this: if the EU really raises the question like that, either transit of Russian gas, or everything else ... is it possible after that trust the EU in general? What is there after all the talk of equality, mutual respect for interests, etc.?

                        3 EPR! Here is the answer! The EU sets only one condition - obey the laws of the EU whose member you are! Otherwise, the EC starts the punishment procedure. Criticizing the principles of the Union, you proceed from the interests of the Russian Federation / Gazprom. And in the interest of the EU / Bulgaria, to diversify the suppliers, and create conditions under which no supplier can get an overwhelming competitive advantage.
                        Bulgaria is friends with those who are currently stronger (primarily in economic terms), and not just friends, but obeys everything. This is not a disaster, it is in the spirit of European values. But only in this case it is not worth pretending that other players will agree with you on something ....

                        "Friendship" .. there is no such concept in the modern capitalist world. Back in the complex of European values, there is the rule of law! Each union is a compromise in the interests of the participants. Of course, economically strong states have more opportunities to promote their own. And yes, if projects affect Europe, you have to negotiate with European structures!
                        By the way, for some reason I’m sure that if ... that a substantial part of the revenues from the pipeline through Bulgaria were received by American and European companies, then it would have been built and operated at full capacity long ago.

                        If the pipeline corresponded to 3EP, i.e. was owned by NOT Gazprom, he would have already worked. Moreover, he could be owned by another Russian company, unrelated to the gas monopolist.
                        Good luck and thank you for your opinion!

                        And all the best to you! hi
            3. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 9 December 2019 12: 36
              +1
              Quote: To be or not to be
              As elsewhere. So in Bulgaria there is power and there are people under this power

              Well, yes ... There was once Hitler, and there was the German people ... that did not stop the German people from destroying our ancestors in huge numbers ... And it did not at all prevent our grandfathers from rolling out this German people. After the Victory, of course, the German people saw ... in a pose of a bent chess horse, one thinks better ... And the Bulgarian people bent at the same time. And the Romanian. And Hungarian ... So that the nations have nothing to do with it ... Not at all ... It’s Hitler himself with an ax I ran around Russia ...
              1. nedgen
                nedgen 10 December 2019 01: 18
                0
                Well, you have an inaccuracy. Despite all the crimes against the USSR, Romania was listed as the winner in WWII.
            4. Victor N
              Victor N 9 December 2019 12: 51
              -4
              The people of Bulgaria have CHOSEN their power - and must answer for it.
              1. nedgen
                nedgen 10 December 2019 01: 26
                +1
                Well, the people of Bulgaria in exactly the same degree chose their managers in what the Russian people chose and appointed Dmitry Medvedev as Prime Minister hi And even less. As far as Medvedev has appointed V.V. Putin whom at least to choose by direct elections, and the Bulgarian prime minister to choose a national assembly in which to choose parties and in any way it is impossible to elect any bastard if its party leader inscribed in the first place in the election list. So we have what we have. Neither the Bulgarians nor the Russians choose their managers !!! hi And even in Bulgaria two years ago there was a referendum and the Bulgarians voted for the CHANGE OF THE ELECTION SYSTEM with an absolute majority, but the managers simply wiped out the results of the referendum. hi And after that, you dare to APPROVE that the Bulgarians themselves have chosen their power ???? I'm sorry but I have no words
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 10 December 2019 13: 12
                  -2
                  Quote: nedgen
                  And after that, you dare to APPROVE that the Bulgarians themselves have chosen their power ???? I'm sorry but I have no words

                  So you mean a US colony, so what if you understand your inability to choose a government?
                  1. nedgen
                    nedgen 10 December 2019 22: 56
                    +1
                    Interestingly ccsr you read all komenta or not? Or read only what meets your thesis? And you i.e. The Russian Federation is also a US colony? And then looking at the actions of your central bank, the way it is !!! I talked only about the fact that neither the Bulgarians nor the Russians manage their governors equally. Neither you nor anyone else in Russia voted so that Dmitry A. Medvedev was the Russian prime minister, the same thing in Bulgaria. NOBODY asked people whether or not Borisov wanted to be a prime minister !!!! Yes, most Bulgarians voted for Boisov’s party, but the problem is THAT REALLY NO ALTERNATIVES. Just like it is not in Russia. Yes V.V. Putin is a very good president, but Medvedev’s popularity is lower than the plinth !!! And how then did you choose your managers? And by your logic, are you also someone’s colony? Although in something you are right. Yes, I am ashamed of the Bulgarian managers. Even the former president, Plevneliev among the people of Plyvnaliev (spitting), kept with the Yusovsky envoy as a loyal subject. I even wanted to run something on the TV. (However, while Plyuvnaliev had 60% of the election, at the end of the mandate he could not collect 3% of approval, and although in the middle of the mandate he announced that he would run for a second time, then when the time approached and his approval fell below the base, he announced that everything was ok wanted he fulfilled laughing ).
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 11 December 2019 12: 02
                      -1
                      Quote: nedgen
                      And you i.e. The Russian Federation is also a US colony?

                      No, it’s not - we can destroy them at will, and they know it.
                      Quote: nedgen
                      Yes V.V. Putin is a very good president, but Medvedev’s popularity is lower than the plinth !!!

                      I don’t give a damn about who Putin chooses as his assistant, although Medvedev is clearly a wimp. The main thing is that Putin is implementing, i.e. the end result, and it’s not so bad, and this is recognized not only in our country, judging by the elections, but throughout the world, judging by the sanctions.
                      Quote: nedgen
                      Yes, most Bulgarians voted for Boisov’s party, but the problem is THAT REALLY NO ALTERNATIVES.

                      I don’t care about your alternatives - I judge by the practical actions of Bulgaria that harm Russia, and there are too many of them to treat you with respect.
                      1. nedgen
                        nedgen 11 December 2019 21: 17
                        0
                        Hi, Question Russia is a colony or not was rhetorical. Of course not, although I REPEAT judging by the actions of your central bank and the economic government of the government, you are an economic colony!
                        I really hope that it’s not right though ....
                        The fact that you can destroy the United States does not mean anything because the whole earth, including Russia, will suffer even without a retaliatory strike. And they unfortunately also know IT !!! That’s why I’m doing everything that they do with Russia.
                        Yes, Putin is a good president, but unfortunately not enough because a really good president appoints ONLY aides. You have had such a person in history. And UTB Joseph Stalin. Or, as I understand it, VV Putin also probably has no alternative. I don’t understand why the hell you were appointed again stools in a responsible post instead of closing it somewhere far and for long laughing
                        But as they themselves told me on DRUM the problems of Vladimir Putin. I would like because of the Russian people whom I sincerely respect to see positive developments in the economy and living standards and everything else.
                        As for the result - What kind of result are you talking about? Something I do not see such a positive result. I don’t know about you. If you mean the return of Crimea, then yes. An excellent result, and I agree with you, but if you look at almost everything else ... Especially the standard of living, import substitution, shipbuilding, etc. etc. Oh forgot. Fortunately, partly, agriculture and related industries perked up (thank God) precisely thanks to the sanctions.
                        About respect. But does anyone even want you to respect Bulgaria? Just do not offend everyone in a row. all the more so, especially as regards this issue (gas pipeline) of Russia, as a state, it will not particularly win or lose despite the result. GAZPROM will win or lose, and GAZPROM is far from Russia. Personally, you will not be neither warm nor cold (unless of course you are a holder of Gazprom shares) hi .
                        Most interesting, do you personally apologize to all the Bulgarians for the insults that they wrote here if the Bulgarian branch is launched on time? Well, or say a month later? Honestly unlikely. You, without exception, have recorded all the Bulgarians as enemies of Russia. If so, I sincerely feel sorry for you. hi
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 12 December 2019 12: 16
                        -2
                        Quote: nedgen
                        Hi, Question Russia is a colony or not was rhetorical.

                        Why then raise this issue?
                        Quote: nedgen
                        The fact that you can destroy the United States does not mean anything

                        For their vassals, it may mean nothing, but for us this is a matter of principle, although by virtue of the fact that we have always considered justice to be the main virtue of mankind, and not the amount of money that individuals have. And if they threaten us, then their fate does not bother us - we proceed from this.
                        Quote: nedgen
                        Yes Putin is a good president

                        So he correctly evaluates your actions.
                        Quote: nedgen
                        Just do not offend everyone in a row.

                        I don’t offend everyone, I just study the history of our relations and I don’t like it because we forgave you too much.
                        Quote: nedgen
                        Most interesting, do you personally apologize to all the Bulgarians for the insults that they wrote here if the Bulgarian branch is launched on time?

                        Of course I will apologize if by January 1 gas from the Turkish Stream will continue to flow to Serbia.
                        Quote: nedgen
                        You, without exception, have recorded all the Bulgarians as enemies of Russia.

                        I personally do not care about you, just like the Papuans of New Guinea, or Puerto Ricans, but because you are members of a hostile NATO organization, you are enemies of my country.
                        Quote: nedgen
                        If so, I sincerely feel sorry for you.

                        I am not worth your pity - my ancestors destroyed the fascists, on whose side Bulgaria fought, so rejoice that they felt sorry for you.
                      3. nedgen
                        nedgen 12 December 2019 23: 11
                        0
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: nedgen
                        Hi, Question Russia is a colony or not was rhetorical.
                        Why then raise this issue?

                        If you do not understand, I see no reason to explain.

                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: nedgen
                        The fact that you can destroy the United States does not mean anything.
                        For their vassals, it may mean nothing, but for us this is a matter of principle, although by virtue of the fact that we have always considered justice to be the main virtue of mankind, and not the amount of money that individuals have. And if they threaten us, then their fate does not bother us - we proceed from this.

                        You, as always, take my words out of context. It is for US vassals that it is very important that Russia can destroy their sovereign. As well as for the USA itself, BUT THEY (especially the USA) UNDERSTAND that you WILL NOT be the first to use nuclear weapons if there is another way out precisely for the reasons stated by you !!! Although judging by the publications and on this site, the whole of Russian society is confidently slipping into the damned Amer materialism, to my very regret.

                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: nedgen
                        Yes Putin is a good president
                        So he correctly evaluates your actions.

                        Meaning nothing. Firstly, you probably heard the words that the retinue plays the king? If so, I hope you know what this means. if not....
                        Secondly, you and unfortunately Vladimir Putin know almost nothing about my country. Especially about the law on public procurement.

                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: nedgen
                        Just do not offend everyone in a row.
                        I don’t offend everyone, I just study the history of our relations and I don’t like it because we forgave you too much.

                        As for Bulgaria’s farewell, I don’t remember anything special farewells except, of course, the Order of Vladimir Putin about refusal of claims to Bulgaria because of AEC Belene and the Bulgarian stream.
                        And the study of our relations is somehow one-sided to go out. You see our slightest mistakes, but don’t see your misconduct and even instill your chain dogs on us. If you don’t know what I'm talking about then look for my posts. I wrote at least 4 times about our relationship. Unlike you Russians, we Bulgarians do not hold a grudge against you, although there is a reason. And not a little. We are grateful to Russia for liberation from the Turks and not only. And we don’t think that oligarchs or politicians are Russia.

                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: nedgen
                        You, without exception, have recorded all the Bulgarians as enemies of Russia.
                        I personally do not care about you, just like the Papuans of New Guinea, or Puerto Ricans, but because you are members of a hostile NATO organization, you are enemies of my country.

                        I hope that you personally do not care laughing Thank god i'm not gay laughing And of course, you certainly do not know that my country was almost dragged into NATO. BULGARIAN NO ONE ASKED whether we want to be in NATO or not. And personally, I WILL NEVER fight on the side of NATO, but if someone attacks my country, even Russia (although I personally don’t believe in it at all, but twice already in the 20th century), then I’ll take up the machine and I’ll go to defend my homeland. Between, however, 80% of Bulgarians think so. (as far as I know, the US considers Bulgaria the NATO's most unreliable ally)

                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: nedgen
                        If so, I sincerely feel sorry for you.
                        I am not worth your pity - my ancestors destroyed the fascists, on whose side Bulgaria fought, so rejoice that they felt sorry for you.

                        Of course I agree with you that personally you are not standing laughing I regretted the millions of Russians who survive in the conditions in which the liberals put Russia on. and those who are in your own government. (however, many Bulgarians are in a similar situation) and I sincerely do not understand how you can live in a country with the richest mineral resources in the world and live like that. At the same time, some individuals are stuffing themselves with billions of foreign accounts.
                        Yes, my homeland fought on the side of the Nazis, but not AGAINST the USSR (despite the fact that you personally think) !!! I do not deny it, but we have made a much greater contribution to the fight against fascism than when we were on their side. A curious fact. In addition to products, Bulgaria exported wooden coffins to the third Reich. laughing

                        At the end I finish and read your comments more and will not answer. I do not see the point. All that I wanted I said. If you do not understand, then your problem.
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 December 2019 16: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: nedgen
                        . You see our slightest mistakes, but don’t see your misconduct and even instill your chain dogs on us.

                        Well, finally, you have led everyone to the idea that it is Russia that is to blame before Bulgaria for all its troubles and is obliged to contain these freeloaders in atonement for the "guilt" of the Russians before the "brothers".
                        Bravo - you showed the true essence of your thoughts regarding my country, and frankly indicated who is to blame:
                        Quote: nedgen
                        Unlike you Russians, we are Bulgarians we do not hold a grudge against you, although there is a reason.
                      5. nedgen
                        nedgen 14 December 2019 01: 17
                        0
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: nedgen
                        . You see our slightest mistakes, but don’t see your misconduct and even instill your chain dogs on us.

                        Well, finally, you have led everyone to the idea that it is Russia that is to blame before Bulgaria for all its troubles and is obliged to contain these freeloaders in atonement for the "guilt" of the Russians before the "brothers".
                        Bravo - you showed the true essence of your thoughts regarding my country, and frankly indicated who is to blame:
                        Quote: nedgen
                        Unlike you Russians, we are Bulgarians we do not hold a grudge against you, although there is a reason.


                        Sorry dear, but you would have to work as a devil's lawyer. I have never said a word that Russia owes something to Bulgaria. Especially since Russia should feed Bulgaria. This is your speculation. You IMHO that everyone is sitting on your neck and want to use you. (frankly speaking, it’s the West (which is what UTB does as your liberals love it)) I EVEN DID NOT THINK that one could misinterpret other people's words and tear them out of context. I am very surprised that you are not yet working on Radio Liberty laughing Or maybe you are already working? Even if you don’t work there, you definitely deserve to be hired at least as an editor. hi My respect. So demagogue rarely happens to meet. You yourself forced me to say that both countries have a difficult past, to say the least. And where in my words found AT LEAST that Russia owes us something? Although it’s not ME but YOUR scientists who said that Russia owes Bulgaria that you received written language from us. But UTB Russia (I REPEAT ONCE AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO IN THE TANK) DOES NOT OBLIGATE ANYTHING. Eto your media constantly pour mud on my country, and people like you too. And if in Russia about 80% are negatively related to Bulgaria according to statistics, then in Bulgaria the attitude to Russia is absolutely the opposite. 80% of Bulgarians belong to Russia and Russians are very good. So do I. Although it does not apply to you personally. hi I'm sorry. This time is really all.
                      6. ccsr
                        ccsr 14 December 2019 18: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: nedgen
                        Sorry dear, but you would have to work as a devil's lawyer.

                        Sorry, but I'm not a believer, so look for another employer - for example, someone who is not indifferent to the interests of Russia, and who understands what the "brothers" have cost us.
                        Quote: nedgen
                        My respect. So demagogue rarely happens to meet.

                        You simply do not like the truth that you are openly told in this forum.

                        Quote: nedgen
                        then in Bulgaria, in relation to Russia, the attitude is absolutely the opposite. 80% of Bulgarians belong to Russia and Russians are very good.

                        And what do we get from this "good attitude" if all the decisions made by your government are vile in relation to us, starting with the ban on the flight of aircraft to Serbia, when we wanted to help them, and ending with the deployment of American bases on your soil?
      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 9 December 2019 12: 26
        +1
        Quote: Spartanez300
        Bulgarians need to decide with whom it is more important for them to cooperate and make friends

        The fact of the matter is that they decided already 100 years ago ...
        1. verp19
          verp19 9 December 2019 15: 23
          +2
          Quote: Barkhan
          already 100 years ago ...

          Too convenient to think so. And you will return half a century ago.
          And tell me what happened in 1878. Only the whole truth.
      3. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 9 December 2019 22: 23
        0
        Quote: Spartanez300
        It's time to end forgiving them all their heinous deeds ....

        I'm all for it. With both arms and legs. Finish forgiving and start acting like an adult.
    2. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 9 December 2019 06: 33
      +1
      We felt that they could bargain in transit. It will be more problematic to send the "Turkish stream" to Europe through Greece. what Especially considering the next increase in tension between Turkey and Greece.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 9 December 2019 08: 29
        +3
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Especially considering the next increase in tension between Turkey and Greece.

        Greece and Turkey have their own Crimea, North Cyprus.
      2. pytar
        pytar 9 December 2019 12: 02
        +2
        It will be more problematic to let the "Turkish stream" into Europe through Greece.

        Greece is a member of the EU and European legislation is also fully applicable to it. The same procedures, the same conditions! In addition, the route will be longer and more expensive. Bulgaria and Turkey have normal relations, for the difference in Greek-Turkish relations! Between Georgia and Turkey, the conflict is growing! Nobody knows what it can lead to!
    3. Yrec
      Yrec 9 December 2019 08: 58
      +5
      To drag the "stream" through the Bulgarians is the height of stupidity. Let's remember the story. During the First World War Bulgaria was an enemy, during the Second World War it was an enemy, now it is an enemy. I can't understand why such an idiotic love for "brothers" comes from? Because of Orthodoxy? So this is just a form of worship. Every time we step into the same shit.
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 9 December 2019 09: 16
        -3
        Yrec (Yuri) Today, 08: 58
        0
        To drag the "stream" through the Bulgarians is the height of stupidity. Let's remember the story. "
        Top of stupidity. When there is a lot of gas and heats up - to let it out into the air.
        To sell gas in modern conditions .with its crowded world market is wisdom beyond
      2. verp19
        verp19 9 December 2019 10: 21
        +1
        Quote: Yrec
        Let's remember the story. During the First World War Bulgaria was an enemy, during the Second World War it was an enemy, now it is an enemy. I can't understand why such an idiotic love for "brothers" comes from? Because of Orthodoxy? So this is just a form of worship. Every time we step into the same shit.


        Yes, it would be nice to remember. You just started to watch the play after the intermission, and not from the very beginning.
        Do you really think that Bulgaria entered the confrontation with Russia just like that, from innate ingratitude and spiritual baseness?
        Tell me, dear expert in history, what independent states appeared after the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-78?
        1. Yrec
          Yrec 9 December 2019 17: 51
          -2
          And what did these "independent" states do the day after they were formed? They clung to each other's throats.
          1. nedgen
            nedgen 10 December 2019 02: 07
            0
            Quote: Yrec
            And what did these "independent" states do the day after they were formed? They clung to each other's throats.

            Mean dear Yuri you do not know the story at all. After the war of 1877-1878, NOT ONE an independent state appeared. After the Berlin congress of 1878, the Principality of Bulgaria appeared - the VASAL Ottoman Empire, the Autonomous Province of Eastern Rumelia (also under the heading of the Ottoman Empire) and Macedonia remained completely under the rule of a high port !!! These are the pies hi The diplomats of the Russian empire FUCKED the war results, and even this war was the greatest chance of the Russian empire to occupy Tsargrad and the straits, but they were afraid of a new Crimean war, although the conditions were ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT. But this is a completely different story. And so-called. "independent" states grabbed each other only in 1885, and then, as a result of Russia's withdrawal of the military and all other advisers from Bulgaria, Serbia (your favorite ally who always put on you whenever he wanted) attacked Bulgaria at the instigation of Austria-Hungary. As a result of the unification of Eastern Rumelia and the principality of Bulgaria, Prince Batemberg (cousin of the Russian emperor), under the onslaught of his cousin, was forced to abdicate the throne, as a result of which Ferdinand Saxe of Coburgotsky ascended the throne of Bulgaria. hi A grip on each other's throats occurred much later in 1913 and also thanks in many respects to the incomplete position of the Russian Empire and the bastard Ferdinand.
            1. verp19
              verp19 10 December 2019 09: 34
              +2
              Quote: nedgen
              None of the independent states appeared.


              A small bite - an independent Bulgarian state did not appear. But independents appeared - Romania, Serbia, Montenegro. Where in these states are the monuments of Russian soldiers?

              The main goal of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-78 is to revise the results of the Krim war. And the Russian Empire coped with this. The creation of the basal - autonomous tributary principality of Bulgaria can be said to be such a by-product. The fate of the Bulgarians was a bargain. With this betrayal, a very complicated story begins between Bulgaria and Russia.
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 9 December 2019 11: 23
        -1
        Quote: Yrec
        I can't understand why such an idiotic love for "brothers" comes from? Because of Orthodoxy? So this is just a form of worship. Every time we enter the same shit.
        Due to its geographical location. Only if earlier it was a sovereign state and in interstate relations we could use mutual interests and some unity in matters of culture, language and faith, now it is completely under the control of the United States, and therefore the issues of faith and ethno-cultural proximity of peoples do not work. In principle, in Europe there are no countries with the fullness of making independent decisions, and therefore it is high time for us to abandon the political BDSM - altruism and move on to healthy pragmatism.
        1. verp19
          verp19 9 December 2019 11: 42
          -5
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Only if earlier it was a sovereign state and in interstate relations we could use mutual interests and some unity in matters of culture, language and faith,


          Before is when? Do you really think that in the period 1945-1989. Was Bulgaria a "sovereign state"?

          Again, I ask you to look impartially at the complex history of Russia - Bulgaria.
          There is no need to talk about any love. Interests alone. "Love" is a propaganda sponge. It took place especially during communism. And it is understandable why - the "Bulgarian" communists came to power thanks to Soviet scholars and they had a serious reason to "love and favor".

          Yes, and let's look at the behavior of all nations that the Russian Empire / USSR either liberated or stored or loved - Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, the Caucasus ... Is Bulgaria different from their behavior? Please note that the common link is Russia. Draw conclusions, not follow myths. Leave this to Mr. Samsonov.
      4. mehan
        mehan 9 December 2019 13: 24
        -3
        It is a love of money. Nothing personal.
      5. nedgen
        nedgen 10 December 2019 01: 51
        0
        Well, if you started to remember history ... Then the Russian empire first began to show itself as an enemy of Bulgaria back in 1885. Then in 1913, (look for what happened then. I’m tired of telling.) And only after that the RUSSIAN EMPIRE DECLARED the war of Bulgaria in 1915 and not vice versa !!! At least read the story. The same thing happened in WWII. Bulgaria did not declare war on the USSR, but in the 1944th USSR declared war on Bulgaria. Yes, we were allies of the Reich and officially fought with the United States and the British Empire but were not at war with the USSR. Yes, we replaced a couple of three German divisions in Serbia that went to the eastern front, but Romania sent about 300 soldiers to the Votnik Front and still WRITTEN IT AMONG THE WINNERS IN WWII !!! And for what merit? After all, they lost an order of magnitude fewer soldiers fighting with Germany than in the war against the USSR (not to mention robberies and war crimes), and in Bulgaria it’s just the opposite. The Bulgarian army defeated the Wehrmacht into several divisions more than it liberated for the war against the USSR before that !!!! hi Such are the pies !!!
        And as for the pipe through Bulgaria, well, you just called Miller and are indirectly stupid. But I think they, unlike you, know how to count money. Through Bulgaria, the pipe is shorter at times, respectively laying and then transit is cheaper. At least they looked at the map or something.
    4. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 9 December 2019 09: 25
      +9
      Something brothers have become "difficult", like our southern non-brothers!


      Do you need an addition to the article from a Bulgarian and a real situation on the question or should I not violate your righteous "patriotic" anger and morning amusement?

      By the way, the author could write to me and ask for additional information about the situation in Bulgaria, so as not to write one-sided articles .... Yes, God be with him. It is necessary to maintain patriotism and righteous anger ...

      PS I am left with the impression that your main sport is to kick the Eastern Europeans, because everyone is tired of Ukraine, and then look at what Belarus will catch up and become the main theme.

      And the truth is that your oligarchy is about .... well, as always greedy, and therefore the Balkan stream was too late.

      We were on schedule and even ahead, but at a bargain on the construction of pipes, which won the Saudi-Italian consortium (Arcad International), a company with Russian property (consider your oligarchy - Compliment Divp) began to appeal against the auction in court. And when it became clear that the deadlines were being cut off, Gazprom hung up and your company removed the complaint and construction began. That’s the whole story.
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 9 December 2019 10: 25
        +2
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        ask for more information about the situation in Bulgaria,

        It would be nice.
      2. kjhg
        kjhg 9 December 2019 10: 34
        +3
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        And when it became clear that the deadlines were being cut off, Gazprom hung up and your company removed the complaint and construction began. That’s the whole story.

        And a really interesting story. In Russia, this can hardly be heard.
        Why don't you start writing articles on topics related to your country? And there, you see, the editorial board of VO would start paying for work.
        1. pytar
          pytar 9 December 2019 12: 05
          +5
          And a really interesting story. In Russia, this can hardly be heard.

          You are right! good Unfortunately, the topic is greatly distorted in rus-media. I think it will be interesting for Russian readers to look at the question from other points of view too!
        2. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 9 December 2019 12: 57
          +4
          Why don't you start writing articles on topics related to your country?


          Or maybe I should do it seriously. Specifically on this topic, all documents are in the public domain and everything can be proved - who filed a lawsuit, when and how much the construction delay was. hi
      3. major147
        major147 9 December 2019 11: 32
        -3
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        consider your oligarchy

        I would not use the word "oligarchy" in relation to Russia. Otherwise you will have to call "Russian oligarchs".
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 9 December 2019 12: 55
          +5
          Otherwise you will have to call "Russian oligarchs".


          And pozhalsta -
          "Compliment Development" SARL, clone Bulgaria, registered in Luxembourg. Represents a citizen of the Russian Federation, Andrei Vladimirovich Parkhomchuk, associated with the TMK (Pipe Metallurgical Company) company of Dmitry Pumpyansky.


          This company sued the tender. The tender was won by the Saudis giving a price of 1,102 billion euros, which is (attention!) 500 million euros lower than the Russian (Luxembourg) company.

          What does this mean, do you think, who would have picked up a difference of 500 million euros in Luxembourg? laughing

          And then the uncle from Gazprom said, the guys are noble but the deadlines are gone, but let's remove your complaint from the court, otherwise we will carry gas in buckets to Europe. Moreover, Gazprom has already reserved the capacity of the future gas pipeline. These are the games .....
          1. major147
            major147 9 December 2019 13: 26
            0
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            And pozhalsta -

            Gentlemen Parkhomchuk and Pumyansky do not have power structures controlled by themselves and cannot influence the country's policy. They are just Very Rich people, nothing more. The last oligarch was Comrade Berezovsky, now deceased. On it, the era of the Russian oligarchs ended. For Christ oligarchs-it is to Ukraine.
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 9 December 2019 13: 29
              +2
              On it, the era of the Russian oligarchs ended.


              Well .... you know better. I set out the facts about the case and everything is in the public domain and there who is the oligarch and who is not, it’s your power to judge you.
              1. major147
                major147 9 December 2019 13: 31
                0
                Quote: Keyser Soze
                it is your power and you to judge.

                In addition, there is a definition - what is an oligarchy, but still thank you for allowing us to judge for ourselves!
      4. ccsr
        ccsr 9 December 2019 11: 46
        0
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        And the truth is that your oligarchy is about .... well, as always greedy, and therefore the Balkan stream was too late.

        And when the South Stream was offered to Bulgaria, did our oligarchy also prevent you from agreeing to its construction?
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        We were on schedule and even ahead, but at a bargain on the construction of pipes, which won the Saudi-Italian consortium (Arcad International), a company with Russian property (consider your oligarchy - Compliment Divp) began to appeal against the auction in court.

        If desired, all court hearings could be held within a month - you just deliberately delayed the decision to appeal your court.
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        That's the story.

        This is just your interpretation to portray a good face in a bad game. Gas flows are not a dispute around two small-town developers where litigation can go on for years, so there is no need to turn the arrows, because if desired, the Bulgarian court could make a final decision within one month, and there would be no breakdown.
        1. pytar
          pytar 9 December 2019 12: 45
          +4
          And when the South Stream was offered to Bulgaria, did our oligarchy also prevent you from agreeing to its construction?

          Essentially YES! Bulgaria cannot agree if the law prohibits this! I suppose in the Russian Federation as well ... or not? So that UP could be realized, Gazprom could transfer assets from the company to a formally unrelated company. Accordingly, the 3EPR requirements would be fulfilled, and Gazprom would directly retain control. What prevented Gazprom?
          If desired, all court hearings could be held within a month - you just deliberately delayed the decision to appeal your court.

          First, check out the Law on Public Procurement / Law on Public Defiance /! Check out how and how much time tendering procedures go on!
          Gas flows are not a dispute around two small-town developers where litigation can go on for years, so there is no need to turn the arrows, because if desired, the Bulgarian court could make a final decision within one month, and there would be no breakdown.

          Gas flows are a stupendous thing, therefore it is necessary to observe the law exactly! Moreover, it was one of the conditions set by the European Union to give guarantees! GDP asked the Bulgarians to get guarantees from the EU! By the way, there is no breakdown. Everything goes according to the schedule, it is part of the tender documentation.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 9 December 2019 13: 13
            0
            Quote: pytar
            What prevented Gazprom?

            Refusal of Bulgaria to give permission for the construction of a gas pipeline through its territory.
            Quote: pytar
            Check out how and how much time tendering procedures go on!

            The tender has already been won, and therefore the appeal to the court could be considered in an expedited manner - the law does not prohibit holding meetings at least every other day.
            Quote: pytar
            Check out the Public Procurement Law first

            What does the public have to do with it if private companies build a gas pipeline? If the tender is won, this automatically means that the public has been notified in advance of its holding, and there can be no obstacles on its part. Otherwise, the tender itself would not have been held without the consent of the public or the government of the country. Do you even understand anything about this?
            Quote: pytar
            Gas flows are a stupendous thing, therefore it is necessary to observe the law exactly!

            So why are you so careless about holding tenders if then the result is disputed not by those who will pay for it, but by its participants? And if a dozen participants and each sues, then you will be suing for ten years?
            Quote: pytar
            By the way, there is no breakdown.

            You want to say that Putin misled everyone? Or do you not know when they were supposed to finish all the construction?
            Quote: pytar
            GDP asked the Bulgarians to get guarantees from the EU!

            After you crawled to it with a request to give you the opportunity to participate in gas transit. And you wanted to throw him again without such guarantees? Oh well...
            1. major147
              major147 9 December 2019 13: 47
              0
              Quote: ccsr
              Oh well...

              And now the question torments me, for what did President Borisov apologize? feel
            2. pytar
              pytar 9 December 2019 14: 16
              0
              Refusal of Bulgaria to give permission for the construction of a gas pipeline through its territory.

              Building permission is given after all the conditions of the Law are fulfilled!
              The tender has already been won, and therefore the appeal to the court could be considered in an expedited manner - the law does not prohibit holding meetings at least every other day.

              Do you have any idea about the volume of documentation you have? They are being taken from the truck!
              What does the public have to do with it if private companies build a gas pipeline? If the tender is won, this automatically means that the public has been notified in advance of its holding, and there can be no obstacles on its part. Otherwise, the tender itself would not have been held without the consent of the public or the government of the country. Do you even understand anything about this?

              I personally work as a leader in that industry for many years. I know the laws very well! You confuse the concepts! Public interest is protected by bodies / structures aligned by law. The law itself is synchronized with European law.
              You want to say that Putin misled everyone? Or do you not know when they were supposed to finish all the construction?

              I, like most bolg. experts believe that Putin was lost. Advisers or there who is responsible for reporting to the President. There is another version, but I will not dwell on it.
              After you crawled to it with a request to give you the opportunity to participate in gas transit. And you wanted to throw him again without such guarantees? Oh well...

              "crawled", and vushnost VVP several times invited Borisov to discuss this topic! Shoot in March 2018, when the conditions in the litigation between the EC and Gazprom became known. "Throw, do not throw", this concept has nothing in common with legal and legal norms. There are contracts, there is a court, if something is wrong, all disputes should be resolved according to a previously agreed order. And so it is done.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 9 December 2019 19: 00
                -1
                Quote: pytar
                Building permission is given after all the conditions of the Law are fulfilled!

                And who prevented the Bulgarians from abiding by the law from the very beginning, if you yourself organized a tender?
                Quote: pytar
                Do you have any idea about the volume of documentation you have? They are being taken from the truck!

                I realized that modern electronic document management in Bulgaria is unknown, as is the availability of electronic signatures.
                Quote: pytar
                I personally work as a leader in that industry for many years. I know the laws very well!

                It’s a pity that you are the only one in Bulgaria. It is not clear why you were not invited to be a judge in the arbitration between bidders.
                Quote: pytar
                I, like most bolg. experts believe that Putin was lost.

                You’re a master at that - you won’t say anything. For so many years, we have been powdering our brains about your love for Russia, and at the same time mischief us for any occasion - that’s what we went through ...
                Quote: pytar
                "Throw, do not throw", this concept has nothing in common with legal and legal norms.

                Already thrown, because they did not meet the deadlines that were promised to Putin. Your grandmother will have shaggy curls about "legal and legal norms", because you look worse than gypsies at the fair, and we realized this long ago.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 9 December 2019 22: 30
                  -1
                  And who prevented the Bulgarians from abiding by the law from the very beginning, if you yourself organized a tender?

                  And who prevented Gazprom from abiding by the law from the very beginning, or at least later corrected? The general undertaking failed. laughing
                  I realized that modern electronic document management in Bulgaria is unknown, as is the availability of electronic signatures.

                  You didn’t understand anything. Yes, and obviously do not have a desire. All documentation is presented in digital form. This does not make her less voluminous. Anyway, you have to understand the details. I know from my own experience - sometimes on paper information is more easily perceived by such a character than in electronic form.
                  It’s a pity that you are the only one in Bulgaria. It is not clear why you were not invited to be a judge in the arbitration between bidders.

                  Where did you decide that? There are many specialists and most are very competent. laughing
                  Already thrown, because they did not meet the deadlines that were promised to Putin. Your grandmother will have shaggy curls about "legal and legal norms", because you look worse than gypsies at the fair, and we realized this long ago.

                  I can’t help you. smile At the end we finish the dialogue. hi
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 10 December 2019 13: 10
                    -1
                    Quote: pytar
                    The general undertaking failed.

                    Of course it didn’t pass - an order came from Washington from you, so you got it right away.
                    Quote: pytar
                    I know from my experience

                    You do not have one experience, so we don’t have to bother about trucks with documents.
                    Quote: pytar
                    I can’t help you.

                    It `s naturally. It is a pity that your leadership not only does not help, but also harms Russia, even in those projects that are beneficial to Bulgaria.
    5. dzvero
      dzvero 9 December 2019 09: 42
      +4
      Well no. The interconnector from the Turkish pipe has already been built. Part of the route will use the existing infrastructure. The next line is a separate line to Serbia with a length of 474 km. That's the problem with her. On the one hand, the performers set a deadline of 600+ days. On the other hand, there is also "sabotage", but not at the government level, but by competitors in court. In addition, the compressors at the new stations are planned to be American and there may also be a hitch - it is useless to use them to drive Russian gas ... let's see ...
      However, at the moment, the construction of the first 160 km has begun. It is hoped that the branch will be ready at the end of next year.
      1. major147
        major147 9 December 2019 11: 37
        +2
        Quote: dzvero
        However, at the moment, the construction of the first 160 km has begun. It is hoped that the branch will be ready at the end of next year.

        SOFIA, December 9. / TASS /. The Bulgarian side is ready to ensure, from the beginning of the year, transit gas supplies to Greece and North Macedonia from the Turkish Stream pipeline. This was stated by the executive director of the Bulgartransgaz company Vladimir Malinov in an interview with the 24 Chas newspaper published on Monday.
        “Even if from the beginning of the year the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine to Bulgaria via the Trans-Balkan gas pipeline is stopped, we are prepared. On November 30, Turkey made a golden weld, which connected the Turkish Stream with our Balkan Stream gas pipeline. "Bulgartransgaz" will start filling the 11-kilometer section of the gas pipeline on its territory with gas, and Turkey - on the 140-kilometer section. We will be ready by December 15, they, I hope, by December 20, "Malinov said.
        The head of the Bulgarian gas company said that the laying of pipes to the border with Serbia on the 308 km section of the Balkan Stream gas pipeline will be completed by May 31. After that, supplies through the pipeline will be able to carry out in the amount of 8,75 million cubic meters of gas per day. Before that, gas through the territory of Bulgaria will pass through the existing gas transmission network.
        The completely new gas pipeline "Balkan Stream" through the territory of Bulgaria with a length of 484 kilometers should be completed by the end of 2020.
    6. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 December 2019 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Something brothers have become "difficult", like our southern non-brothers!

      It is not at all clear how brothers were made of "brothers" even during the time of the tsars' grandfathers. For which our Heroes of Shipka and Plevna, Tsar Alexander II put 2 souls, and got into debt up to 200 lard dollars. Why did we need these Balkan wars. Nobody even said thank you, except the Serbs, but they did a lot of dirty tricks.
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 9 December 2019 10: 33
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Why did we need these Balkan wars.

        Eh ... as if in the "Balkan Wars" we (God praise you!) And did not participate. As for the "Liberation of Bulgaria", there were a lot of reasons. Including the belligerent moods of our "Slavophiles".
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Thanks, no one even said except the Serbs

        Hmm ... and what "thank you" was from the Serbs?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 December 2019 11: 05
          +1
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          Hmm ... and what "thank you" was from the Serbs?

          Whether or not they said thanks, they didn't need to fight because of them. Well, there would be a small "internecine conflict between Serbs and Austrians, after all, it is not the first and not the last, but then there would not be (maybe) a PMA."
          1. Senior seaman
            Senior seaman 9 December 2019 11: 12
            +1
            So we will write down, there was no "thank you".
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 9 December 2019 11: 28
              0
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              So we will write down, there was no "thank you".

              Well, why, during the Second World War, they did not rush headlong to Hitler's Europe. And thanks for that already from us.
              1. Senior seaman
                Senior seaman 9 December 2019 11: 46
                +4
                Quote: tihonmarine
                during the Second World War, they did not rush headlong into Hitler's Europe.

                Something is wrong with your dates, Vlad. During the Second World War, the Serbs could not run anywhere at all, since Yugoslavia surrendered on April 17, that is to WWII.
                By the way, the government of Milan Nedich, quite a collaboration with the occupiers.

                But this is all the lyrics. You wrote earlier:Thanks, no one even said except the Serbs And I still wonder what "thank you" was and what was it?
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 9 December 2019 15: 25
                  -2
                  Quote: Senior Sailor
                  During the Second World War, the Serbs could not run anywhere at all, since Yugoslavia surrendered on April 17, that is, before the Second World War.

                  There was an opportunity to escape, all of Europe was occupied. And even those countries that had the least casualties during the occupation rushed to parts of the Waffen SS and the Wehrmacht, and such as Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary were originally with the Germans. Serbs and Greeks did not fight against the USSR.
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                    1. verp19
                      verp19 9 December 2019 16: 00
                      -1
                      Quote: Senior Sailor
                      So the Bulgarians, too ...

                      Unfortunately fought.
                      1. nedgen
                        nedgen 10 December 2019 23: 18
                        0
                        Quote: verp19
                        Quote: Senior Sailor
                        So the Bulgarians, too ...

                        Unfortunately fought.

                        If against Germany, then yes, they fought in WWII and not bad. Against the USSR, in fact, NO. And not a single Bulgarian SOLDIER on the eastern front got. Yes, the Bulgarian army in 1943-44 replaced the German divisions in Serbia, (Not in Macedonia where the partisans were not born, there were no Serbs or Bulgarians who accidentally wandered in there. So there were no German divisions either. But then after 9.09.1944 the Germans recaptured in full the program laughing
                      2. bubalik
                        bubalik 10 December 2019 23: 50
                        +1
                        . And not a single Bulgarian SOLDIER on the eastern front got.
                        ,, Where did they get captured?

                        Nationalities of prisoners of war in the camps of the USSR GUPVI.


                        REFERENCE TO CHIEF 2 DEPARTMENTS OF THE GUPVI NKVD USSR A.N. BRONNIKOVA IN THE NAME OF DEPUTY CHIEF OF GUPVI NKVD USSR N.T. OF THE TOWN HOUSE ON THE AMOUNT, NATIONAL AND PERSONNEL OF POWS ARRIVED IN THE GUPVI CAMP DURING THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR 1941-1945


                        Germans ..................... 1 836 315
                        Austrians ................... 121 590
                        Hungarians ...................... 425 549
                        Romanian ........................ 120 357
                        Poles ....................... 35 007
                        Italians .................... 20 519
                        French ..................... 15 139
                        Chekhov ......................... 16 900
                        Slovaks ...................... 12 116
                        Yugoslavs ....................... 4473
                        Serbs .......................... 2176
                        Slovenes ....................... 2529
                        Rusyn ........................... 3787
                        Croatian ........................... 956
                        Moldavian ...................... 21 382
                        Jews .......................... 5016
                        Norwegians ......................... 55
                        Bulgarians ........................... 287
                        Danes ........................... 235
                        Americans ....................... 40
                        English .......................... 15
                        Swedes ............................ 31
                        Greeks ............................ 22
                        Turks ............................ 106
                        Finns ............................ 88
                        Spaniards ......................... 368
                        Belgians ...................... 1888
                        Swiss ........................ 94
                        Dutch ...................... 1314
                        Luxembourgers .................... 742
                        Alsace-Lorraine [s] ............. 131
                        Bosnians .......................... 1
                        Albanians ........................... 1
                        Portuguese ....................... 1
                        Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians ... 9291
                        not decrypted ............. 32 753
                        Total ...................... 2 658 469

                        In addition, she died during the war:

                        Germans ....................... 179 327
                        Romanian ......................... 45 850
                        Hungarians ....................... 31 820
                        Italians .................... 27 104
                        other nationalities ........ 16
                        Not decrypted ............. 18 070
                        Total ........................ 318 489

                        1. Transferred to the formation of national units:
                        55 799 people

                        of which:

                        on the formation of the Hungarian units .... 21 787
                        Romanian ............................. 20446
                        Czechoslovak ........................... 9089
                        Yugoslavian ............................. 2542
                        Polish .............................. 1935

                        2. Transferred prisoners of war Finns to the Finnish authorities under a ceasefire agreement ........................... 1931

                        3. Transferred by French prisoners of war to the National Committee of the Liberation of France .................... 1500
                      3. nedgen
                        nedgen 11 December 2019 00: 08
                        +1
                        Excuse me, Sergey, but if you don’t know, we have a joke of the Bulgarians that Bulgaria is the only state in the world that borders only on the original Bulgarian territories. laughing And as always in every joke, there are only frequent jokes. For example, 1878 ethnic Bulgarians lived in the territory of Romania (only in Northern Dobrogea, Romania transferred by Russia in 150). Some of them fled to Bulgaria and often during the WWII was called up in the ranks of the Romanian army and from there were captured !!! If you do not distinguish between ethnicity and citizenship of any country, then this is your problem. Also, up to now, more than 000 Bulgarians still live in the Banat Region of Hungary, who were also drafted into the army in WWII, this time is Hungarian. And more than 50 Bulgarians still live on the territory of Krajina. About 000 Bulgarians, etc., are in the territory of Moldova. I said a BULGARIAN soldier, not a soldier of Bulgarian nationality !!! He was referring to the soldiers of the Kingdom of Bulgaria at that time. And it’s very interesting how your favorite Serbs ended up in Soviet captivity? (Well maybe not your personal favorites laughing hi ) If they then by definition fought AGAINST Germany !!! And they turned out to be almost 10 times more than people of Bulgarian nationality! Well, maybe for the same reasons. After all, the Serbs lived in the territory of Hungary. Although it is very strange. Most likely they fought in the Waffen SS.
                    2. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 9 December 2019 16: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: Senior Sailor
                      So the Bulgarians, too ...
                      In Soviet times, there were no such problems as now. I studied with Bulgarians and worked, and some stayed with us to work. With Valera Gadzhalov, we worked as captains at Estybpromm. There was nothing to divide into, but now strife has begun again. It was a good and kind time. And we must not forget that
                      Bulgaria, however, was the only ally of Germany who did not fight against the USSR.
                      In 1944, the theater of operations moved to Bulgaria, after which a coup d'etat took place in the country. A number of leaders of the pro-German regime, including Prince Kirill, Prime Minister Bogdan Filov, were arrested and shot, and the government of the Patriotic Front, led by Kimon Georgiev, came to power. The government of Georgiev declared war on Germany, and the Bulgarian army took part in the battles with German troops. After the war, the People's Republic of Bulgaria was proclaimed.
      2. Bagatur
        Bagatur 9 December 2019 19: 49
        +1
        200? Isn't that WWI 000-1914? Is the war in 1918 days? Sorry, but I don't know where this number comes from! Look "The history of the war in the Balkans" published by Russian genshab ... Then honey agarics will speak!
      3. nedgen
        nedgen 10 December 2019 23: 34
        +1
        Sorry dear Vlad, but where did you find these 200 dead and dead during the war of 000-1877? Here is an official document published in 1878. :

        To make up the correct understanding of the size of the total loss of the army
        from mortality, it is necessary to the above figures

        dead from 49104 and
        fatalities from accidents 1360 people at
        to unite the dead in battle. Xnumx
        and missing; *) 5121,

        what to make in aggregate. . 67490 man
        i.e., 114,0 to 1000 of the current composition.

        With joining the same dismissed from it because of illnesses and ailments
        35309 bureaucracy it turns out that the current army lost for the campaign
        building 173, 6 people on the 1000 of the current composition.

        In the attached tableѣ 1-th is this loss of people in the army on
        Balkan Peninsula for all its moments.

        *) These services were delivered to the main military medical administration ot
        military commanders! ..


        However, Toda included all those who died from illnesses, not only during the war itself, but before the departure of the Russian army in 1879. those. almost a year and a half after the war,
        Combat irretrievable losses + missing + killed in various incidents = 18 386 people. together with all those who died from illnesses (I don’t know, those who died from wounds are included in them, or they are 67490 people among the battle casualties. All the same, it’s far from 200. This, however, does not detract from the heroism of Russian soldiers and officers !!!
    7. pytar
      pytar 9 December 2019 10: 33
      -3
      Something brothers have become "difficult", like our southern non-brothers!

      This is how propaganda tries to inspire! "Vesda enemies, traitors, non-brothers ..." One Saint Gazprom!

      Interestingly, the author is not embarrassed by the apparent contradiction in these hardenings?
      ... Bulgaria played a key role in curtailing the UP gas pipeline .... Bulgarian leadership refused to allow construction until the project complies with European law. ... according to EU laws the same company cannot simultaneously deal with the transportation and sale of gas .... according to the logic of the Bulgarian side, after the construction of the gas pipeline, other companies, not the Russian Gazprom, should have been allowed to sell incoming gas.

      Bulgaria is a member of the European Union! EU laws apply in the EU! On the territory of the Russian Federation, the laws of the Russian Federation apply! In Russia, you can build an object contrary to the laws of the Russian Federation? If, yes then the EU is wrong ... you see Bulgaria is to blame, because it complies with the laws!

      Bulgaria then acted in favor of its sponsors - the European Union and the United States, trying to harm Russia. For the patronage of the West
      Sofia once again betrayed Russian-Bulgarian friendship
      ...

      Comply with EU antitrust laws "betrayal of Russian-Bulgarian friendship" and "sabotage"! I don’t understand ... Gazprom is essentially an international oligarchic conglomerate, and what does it have to do with Russian-Bulgarian friendship? It and Rothschild have shares in Gazprom for several billion dollars!

      Naturally, such conditions did not suit the Russian side.

      There was a way out of the situation - to transfer the assets to a company that is not formally related to Gazprom. By the way, the requirement of 3ERP referred only to the land part of the UP, not to the sea! Thus, Gazprom would retain full control over the entire pipeline, because it is physically one pipe! But the "effective managers" blinked ... more precisely, political factors pressured them in a different direction.

      The Russian UP project was for the Bulgarian side one of the very few chances to load its gas transmission system and gain the opportunity to earn on the transit of Russian gas to European countries.

      A propaganda mantra repeated constantly! Without an agreement between the final counterparties of the EU and Gazprom, UP could not earn! From the word ALL! It would be a "pipe to nowhere"! Bulgaria would not get a dime from the transit! But for that I would have received large multi-billion dollar fines and losses!

      Prime Minister B. Borisov immediately responded to criticism from Vl.a Putin and invited the latter to come to Bulgaria to be convinced of the high speed of the gas pipeline construction on Bulgarian territory: Bulgarian builders allegedly surrender 5 kilometers a day ...

      Correctly said B. Borisov! He also said that Putin receives incorrect information from his advisers! And it’s better that you personally come and look with your own eyes! It seems to me that on many issues of an internal and external nature, GDP receives distorted information! It looks like someone is deliberately deceiving the President of the Russian Federation!

      But Putin bluntly stated that Sofia could slow down its construction under external pressure. And this is pressure from the United States and the leadership of the European Union.

      The Balkan Stream project is funded by European and American banks. No pressure, construction is on schedule! There is a contract and it is respected by the performer "Arkad".

      After all, Russia has forgiven Bulgaria so many times - both after the WWII and after WWII, in which Sofia participated on the side of the fierce opponents of the Russian state. Russia continued to cooperate with Bulgaria even after it joined NATO, turning the country into an ally of the United States and a conductor of American interests in the Balkans.

      Where without this mantra ?! How did Russia forgive Bulgaria after the FDA when Russia was not? And in WWII, Bulgaria did not participate in the war against the USSR! Go to Kuibishev, there is a commemorative plaque on the Bulgarian Embassy valid for the entire WWII! The Russian Federation ceased cooperation with other NATO countries? Nope ...? It is very actively cooperating!

      In conclusion: I wrote the obvious things that every sane person will understand! The question is different! Why is someone really trying very hard to set up the Russians against other countries and peoples, even at the household level? Who needs it, who benefits?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 December 2019 11: 31
        0
        Quote: pytar
        If, yes then the EU is wrong ... you see Bulgaria is to blame, because it complies with the laws!

        Well then, everything is simple. Follow the laws of the EU and you won’t get gas. There is no third. Or do you propose that Russia comply with EU laws?
        1. pytar
          pytar 9 December 2019 12: 50
          +2
          Well then, everything is simple. Follow the laws of the EU and you won’t get gas. There is no third. Or do you propose that Russia comply with EU laws?

          The only way to get gas is comply with EU lawswhose member is Bulgaria! I suggest that Russia comply with Russian laws in the Russian Federation, and in the EU comply with EU laws! There is no third!
      2. major147
        major147 9 December 2019 12: 42
        +4
        Quote: pytar
        So propaganda is trying to inspire!

        "Propaganda" is what? Lying?
        Vesde enemies, traitors, brothers

        And who to call them after all?
        One Gazprom holy!

        Not a saint. And who is the saint? But his shirt is closer to the body.
        Bulgaria is a member of the European Union! EU laws apply in the EU! On the territory of the Russian Federation, the laws of the Russian Federation apply! In Russia, you can build an object contrary to the laws of the Russian Federation? If, yes then the EU is wrong ... you see Bulgaria is to blame, because it complies with the laws!

        There is no need to sign a treaty if there is not enough sovereignty. Then it was necessary to abandon the agreement with Bulgaria and send Gazprom to Brussels.
        Comply with EU antitrust laws, this is "betrayal of Russian-Bulgarian friendship" and "sabotage"!

        Why did a group of US senators come to you then? Talk about EU laws?
        There was a way out of the situation - to transfer the assets to a company that is not formally related to Gazprom. By the way, the requirement of 3ERP referred only to the land part of the UP, not to the sea! Thus, Gazprom would retain full control over the entire pipeline, because it is physically one pipe! But the "effective managers" blinked ... more precisely, political factors pressured them in a different direction.

        Are you defending the EU laws, but suggesting to spit on Russian laws? Why is that so? Under Russian law, only Gazprom can supply gas via pipelines for export. Or do you not like our laws !?
        A propaganda mantra repeated constantly! Without an agreement between the final counterparties of the EU and Gazprom, UP could not earn! From the word ALL! It would be a "pipe to nowhere"! Bulgaria would not get a dime from the transit! But for that I would have received large multi-billion dollar fines and losses!

        Do you blame anyone for the lie !? The gas supply contracts to end consumers were in force then and are in force now. The buyer of gas will still receive gas through the Ukraine or Bulgaria into his pipe. He must get gas into the pipe!
        Correctly said B. Borisov! He also said that Putin receives incorrect information from his advisers! And it’s better that you personally come and look with your own eyes! It seems to me that on many issues of an internal and external nature, GDP receives distorted information! It looks like someone is deliberately deceiving the President of the Russian Federation!

        There is even to say no words! One saliva! There is a contract, it must be completed on time. Who does not fulfill - will get money! And then he will ask, as usual, forgiveness from the elder!

        The Bulgarian newspaper Trud interviewed local experts on the topic. For example, Valentin Nikolov, deputy chairman of the parliamentary energy commission, explained that there was a delay due to an appeal to the Competition Protection Commission (CPC), but the Supreme Administrative Court upheld the CPC's decision and construction continued. Energy expert Professor Atanas Tasev believes that Putin "was misled." "Our country adheres to the approved deadlines and in practice builds 4-5 km per day, which in 100 days will be 400 km. The completion date of the pipeline to the border with Serbia is June," Tasev said.
        However, Borisov indicates a different term - the end of 2020. So, either he is cunning about 5 kilometers a day under construction (with such a speed you can dig to the Austrian border in more than a year), or he is not good at mathematics. Most likely, the first, because Putin rarely publicly expresses his dissatisfaction with foreign partners, he is inclined to find compromises through diplomatic channels. So, he has objective data on the speed of construction, obtained, for example, from space.
        Where without this mantra ?! How did Russia forgive Bulgaria after the FDA when Russia was not?
        belay recourse request Hello! You are healthy!?
        And in WWII, Bulgaria did not participate in the war against the USSR!

        During the First World War, in 1916-1917, the Russian and Bulgarian units repeatedly had military clashes on the Romanian and Thessaloniki fronts, sometimes very fierce.
        For example, near the city of Monastir in Macedonia in November 1916, the 2nd Special Russian Brigade lost about a third of its personnel in battles with the Bulgarian troops. By the end of 1917 there were about 2000 (according to other sources - 5000) prisoners of war of the Bulgarian army in Russia.
        In March 1941, Bulgaria joined the Tripartite Pact and granted Germany its territory to accommodate troops preparing for the invasion of Greece. In April 1941, German military operations spread to Yugoslavia. Bulgaria did not officially declare war on Greece and Yugoslavia, but took part in their occupation, annexing significant territories (after the war they were all returned).
        The assertion that during the Second World War there were no combat clashes between the Soviet and Bulgarian armed forces is also untrue. Formally not fighting against the USSR, the Bulgarian military were part of the convoys of German and Romanian transports in the Black Sea. For its part, the submarines of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet actively operated near the coast of Bulgaria. They set up minefields at the Bulgarian ports of Varna and Burgas, conducted reconnaissance, and, on occasion, attacked convoys. Already in 1941, a series of clashes took place, in which the Bulgarian fleet and aircraft took part.
        So, before the end of the year, Bulgarian coast guard aircraft attacked five Soviet submarines they found, but only once hit the target, and the fact of the drowning is in question. It is reliably known that in Soviet territorial waters, two Soviet submarines were blown up by mines. And on December 6, 1941, in the Burgas area, Bulgarian patrol boats disabled the Soviet submarine Shch-204. In September 1944, on the territory of Bulgaria, Soviet troops lost 977 troops.
        Why is someone really trying very hard to set up the Russians against other countries and peoples, even at the household level? Who needs it, who benefits?

        Perhaps this is the one who constantly throughout his history is in the camp of the enemies of Russia.
        1. pytar
          pytar 9 December 2019 13: 49
          -1
          "Propaganda" is what? Lying?

          Propaganda - the open dissemination of views, facts, arguments and other information in order to form public opinion or other goals pursued by propagandists. In short, propaganda and TRUTH are often different things ...
          There is no need to sign a treaty if there is not enough sovereignty. Then it was necessary to abandon the agreement with Bulgaria and send Gazprom to Brussels.

          Contracts are signed on the basis of applicable laws! If laws do not suit, do not sign contracts. More ... you must first get acquainted with them, and then comment!
          Are you defending the EU laws, but suggesting to spit on Russian laws? Under Russian law, only Gazprom can supply gas via pipelines for export. Or do you not like our laws !?

          Everything is simple here! The law of the Russian Federation is valid only on the territory of the Russian Federation! EU laws in the EU! With contradictions, the question arises of negotiations! In the given case between the EU and the Russian Federation! By the way, during UP, there was no problem for Gazprom to export gas to the borders of the EU according to the laws of the Russian Federation, and then according to EU laws.
          ... Contracts for the supply of gas to end consumers acted then and are valid now. The buyer of gas will still receive gas through the Ukraine or Bulgaria into his pipe. He must get gas into the pipe!

          What specific agreements did Bulgaria violate? Is there a court decision? Have you read at least one of the contracts?
          There is a contract, it must be completed on time. Who does not fulfill - will get money!

          And there is! And let's wait and then we will comment!
          The Bulgarian newspaper Trud interviewed local experts on the topic ... Energy expert, Professor Atanas Tasev believes that Putin was "misled."

          Most Bulgarian expert, knowing the real situation, think so!
          However, Borisov indicates a different term - the end of 2020. So, either he is cunning about 5 kilometers a day under construction, or he is not good at mathematics.

          According to the agreement with "Arkad" until the end of 2020. By the way, Bulgaria is ready to ensure supplies via TP in Greece and North Macedonia ahead of schedule - from January 1, 2020! Borisov is well versed in mathematics, 5 km / day. at the initial stage, without taking into account that several sections are being worked at the same time, compressor stations and other structures are cocked. By connecting them to the next stage, most likely the deadlines will be exceeded! The work plan for a technical project is called a "linear-plan schedule". It is observed even proactively.
          During the First World War, in 1916-1917, the Russian and Bulgarian units repeatedly had military clashes on the Romanian and Thessaloniki fronts, sometimes very fierce.
          For example, Monastir in Macedonia in November 1916, the 2nd special Russian brigade lost ...

          You are talking about PMA here ... the so-called. "Romanian Front" is the Bulgarian Dobrudja occupied by the Romanians in 1913. The oldest Bulgarian land in the Balkans. Ours stood to death. On both sides of the front there are Bulgarian villages and villages ... The monastery ... is the town of Bitola. My grandfather is from there. My relatives still live there. Bulgarian land, Bulgarian population ...
          In March 1941, Bulgaria joined the Tripartite Pact and granted Germany its territory to accommodate troops preparing for the invasion of Greece.

          This is during the time when the non-aggression pact was in force between the USSR and Germany. After 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX, Bulgaria continued to maintain norms of diplomatic relations with the USSR. Here is the info and photo from the house where the Bulgarian diplomatic mission was located.
          https://rus.bg/esche/interesno/interesno/28633-v-samare-otkryli-pamyatnuyu-dosku-na-byvshem-zdanii-posolstva-tsarstva-bolgarii

          As for who fought with whom, I can give you very lengthy information, but this is beyond the scope of the topic under discussion, as is your comment. I will limit myself to only one photo:
          1. Operator
            Operator 9 December 2019 14: 02
            +3
            Bulgarian pilots, who were enlisted in the Luftwaffe for disguise, shot down about 1942 Soviet aircraft near Stalingrad in 200.

            Fascist Bulgaria from 1941 to 1944 fought along with Nazi Germany.
            1. alatanas
              alatanas 9 December 2019 17: 26
              +1
              And not one was shot down and captured?
              The answer is very simple:
              - those were not there.
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 9 December 2019 19: 09
              +1
              Quote: Operator
              Bulgarian pilots, who were enlisted in the Luftwaffe for disguise, shot down about 1942 Soviet aircraft near Stalingrad in 200.

              I saw materials about the actions of Bulgarian pilots during the war against the Allies, but I’m hearing about what you write for the first time. Can you provide a link to this information - all the same, it is interesting from the point of view of the history of the Second World War.
              1. Operator
                Operator 9 December 2019 20: 51
                +3
                Interview with the director of the Battle of Stalingrad Museum in Komsomolskaya Pravda 1.02.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX
                https://www.kp.ru/daily/26789.4/3822992/
                1. verp19
                  verp19 10 December 2019 10: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Operator
                  Interview with the director of the Battle of Stalingrad Museum in Komsomolskaya Pravda


                  He died ... laughing. As proof, the "director" cites ... a German propaganda magazine !!!! Krasava !!!

                  If this was a fact, then do not doubt that our democrats made a monument to these pilots. After the changes in the Bulgarian Military Museum, a place was allocated for the Bulgarian security company as part of NATO in the 60s. It was composed of defectors.
                  And the myth of some Bulgarian SS anti-tank brigade, which was formed in the 45th year and gave one battle somewhere in Austria, is lying on the net.
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                  2. pytar
                    pytar 10 December 2019 15: 17
                    0
                    Interview with the director of the Battle of Stalingrad Museum in Komsomolskaya Pravda - Bulgarian pilots enrolled in the Luftwaffe for camouflage in 1942 shot down about 200 Soviet planes near Stalingrad.

                    This is from the genre "alternative history"! fool Bulgarian aviation / medical facilities could not be under Stalingrad in any way, and even bring down 200 Soviet ones, this is 100% fake! lol Because of their small numbers, they did not have enough to beat off the mashed raids of the Anglo-American armadas over Bulgaria itself. Of the 80 pilots with whom Bulgaria had disposed, 22 died in battles over the Balkans. All facts, regarding their actions, composition, location, known. hi
                2. ccsr
                  ccsr 10 December 2019 13: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Operator
                  Interview with the director of the Battle of Stalingrad Museum in Komsomolskaya Pravda 1.02.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX

                  I looked, but somehow his words look unconvincing, because the link to some unknown magazines, and without reference to the citizenship of Bulgaria:
                  There is data from the German magazine "Eastern Front", published throughout the war. Documentary reports were published there - who distinguished themselves in battle, who was injured or killed, who was awarded what.

                  And so such a statement in 1942 somehow does not fit with what the Germans did in our territory:
                  Gustav Anton von Wittersheim, commander of the 14th German Panzer Corps attacking the factory, saw that only women in military uniforms and workers in overalls were among the dead. He demanded a meeting with the commander of the 6th Army, Colonel General Paulus. And he asked not to storm the city, since there is only a civilian population. For which he was removed from office.

                  Do you seriously believe that? Probably there was another reason for his removal - I think so.
                  Yes, and the text is that
                  There 4 cadet regiments were completely lost.
                  I have doubts - companies and battalions of cadets can still be, but a regiment cannot consist only of cadets, if only because there is a slightly different structure that requires specialists from different military higher educational institutions.
                  All the same, one should be very cautious about such an interview, given the fact that journalists sometimes misinterpret the words of the authors.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 10 December 2019 13: 49
                    +3
                    Quote: ccsr
                    unknown magazines

                    For you.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 10 December 2019 18: 37
                      -1
                      Quote: Operator
                      For you.

                      The magazine "Eastern Front" is not an official document of the Wehrmacht, which reflects the loss of personnel. Now a lot of official materials are open on the "People's Feat" website, where you can find out the exact data about the victims and these are really genuine documents. Could you really find something like this in our magazines like "Soviet Warrior" or "Military Thought"?
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 11 December 2019 11: 49
                        +6
                        And what does the German magazine Ostfront of 1941-45 and the Soviet magazine Soviet Warrior have to do with the domestic magazine Voennaya Mysl and the Russian website Podvig Narodu? laughing

                        For example, even the last three sources of information differ sharply from each other in direction, content and target audience.
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 11 December 2019 13: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Operator
                        And what does the German magazine 1941-45 Ostfront

                        And why did you get the idea that this journal should publish accurate data on the dead, given the fact that the Germans also had a huge number of missing people.
                        Quote: Operator
                        and the Russian website "People's Feat"?

                        There you can find information about the dead according to the material of reports and summaries, and this is a completely different level than what is published in magazines.
                      3. Operator
                        Operator 11 December 2019 13: 38
                        +2
                        The Ostfront magazine published data on the air victories of the Luftwaffe fighter pilots indicating their names and surnames (including Bulgarian), and not data on the dead.
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr 11 December 2019 13: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Operator
                        The Ostfront magazine published data on the air victories of the Luftwaffe fighter pilots indicating their names and surnames (including Bulgarian), and not data on the dead.

                        Tell me, did you see this magazine yourself? Maybe give a link to it, and even better to a professional translation of the text from this journal, so that you can understand what is at stake.
                        They objected to you that there could be many Bulgarians, not citizens of Bulgaria, but this is not proof that the Bulgarian Air Force fought near Stalingrad. And these objections are true, since there is no documentary evidence, which is why I wanted to find out from you what information you gathered from this magazine.
                      5. Operator
                        Operator 11 December 2019 14: 29
                        +3
                        I don’t have links to the output of Ostfront magazine now, I didn’t read the magazine itself because of the lack of links to its electronic version (if it exists in nature).

                        What other documentary evidence (except for targeted publications in the profile magazine) do you need - the list of Luftwaffe aviation units near Stalingrad, personal files of pilots with Bulgarian surnames and first names, award sheets? All this should be in the state archives of Germany.
                      6. Operator
                        Operator 11 December 2019 14: 54
                        +3
                        Bulgarian pilots who fought in the ranks of the Luftwaffe and awarded the German Iron Cross

                      7. pytar
                        pytar 11 December 2019 16: 29
                        0
                        Bulgarian pilots, fought in the ranks of the Luftwaffe and awarded the German Iron Cross

                        Andrey, it’s already quite clear that you are lying! negative
                        The photo you inserted was taken in 1943 in front of the hangar, the site of Bozhurishte, Bulgaria. Pilots of the Bulgarian Air Force, from left to right: Petar Bochev, Chudomir Toplodolski, Stoyan Stoyanov and Hristo Krastev. None of them ever fought in the ranks of the Luftwaffe! Get an iron cross, for the defense of Sofia from the raids of the US-British bombing armada! Stoyan Stoyanov from September 1944 fights against the Germans and receives the Order of Courage of Bela. Since 1947, he was the commander of the destructive aviation of Socialist Bulgaria, since 1949 he was the commander of combat training of the Air Force, and since 1951, he was made major general by the air defense castle. And Peter Bochev dies fighting against the Germans October 5, 44!
                        Facts like that! Moreover, Bulgarian pilots are fighting together with the Soviet against the Luftwaffe!

                      8. verp19
                        verp19 11 December 2019 16: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Operator
                        Bulgarian pilots who fought in the ranks of the Luftwaffe and awarded the German Iron Cross


                        Stop talking nonsense, ah !!!!

                        Pilots in the photo from left to right:

                        Petar Bochev, Stoyan Stoyanov, Hristo Krastev, Chudomir Toplodolski.

                        Received the order due to battles with American aircraft.
                      9. verp19
                        verp19 11 December 2019 18: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Operator
                        awarded the German Iron Cross


                        Operation Tidal Wave - August 1, 1943. Scattered groups of American "Liberates" returned to Africa, through the territory of Bulgaria were attacked by Bulgarian fighters. Several bombers were shot down. The pilots received Bulgarian orders and the 2nd degree German Ritz Cross.
                        I can’t upload a photo of the German award sheet Stoyanova. There is a date September 1943.

                        The name of Pyotr Bochev, who heroically died in the war against the Nazis, was vilely drawn into falsification of the allegedly Bulgarian SS anti-tank brigade, where he seemed to take part as a pilot of the reconnaissance Shtorkh. Fake stats of Russian origin.
                      10. ccsr
                        ccsr 11 December 2019 19: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Operator
                        list of aviation units of the Luftwaffe near Stalingrad, personal files of pilots with Bulgarian surnames and names, award lists?

                        At least some of this.
                        Quote: Operator
                        All this should be in the state archives of Germany.

                        Unfortunately, this is just an assumption. In the meantime, there is no reason to believe that Bulgarian pilots fought near Stalingrad - at least I never came across such information, although I know where the Bulgarian pilots distinguished themselves.
          2. major147
            major147 9 December 2019 16: 37
            0
            Everything is simple here! The law of the Russian Federation is valid only on the territory of the Russian Federation! EU laws in the EU! With contradictions, the question arises of negotiations! In the given case between the EU and the Russian Federation! By the way, during UP, there was no problem for Gazprom to export gas to the borders of the EU according to the laws of the Russian Federation, and then according to EU laws.

            So Bulgaria entered into an agreement, and then began to coordinate it with the EU for a long time, and not the fact that it would agree, but time is money! That is why I am writing - to send Gazprom to Brussels. And why did the President of Bulgaria ask for forgiveness? Probably for what.
            propaganda and TRUTH are often different things ...
            And by writing - "propaganda" you (the collective West) decide a hundred truth, and what is a lie?
            ... Contracts for the supply of gas to end consumers acted then and are valid now. The buyer of gas will still receive gas through the Ukraine or Bulgaria into his pipe. He must get gas into the pipe!

            The words above are the answer to:
            A propaganda mantra repeated constantly! Without an agreement between the final counterparties of the EU and Gazprom, UP could not earn! From the word ALL! It would be a "pipe to nowhere"! Bulgaria would not get a dime from the transit! But for that I would have received large multi-billion dollar fines and losses!

            Bulgaria and UP and BP buyer and transit. The seller is "Gazprom", he agrees to whom, when and how much gas to send, and the transiter's task is to deliver and receive money for this. All! There is no need for the transit country to think about something else!
            Most Bulgarian expert, knowing the real situation, think so!

            You do not know President Putin well. He does not make loud but empty political statements.
            You are talking about PMA here ... the so-called. "Romanian Front" is the Bulgarian Dobrudja occupied by the Romanians in 1913. The oldest Bulgarian land in the Balkans.

            Bulgarian land or Romanian, you figure it out yourself, I wrote that Russians and Bulgarians killed each other, and then on WW2. On the third, you are also in the "enemy trenches"! Are you ready to kill Russians under the NATO flag? Your leaders are ready.
            1. pytar
              pytar 9 December 2019 17: 08
              -1
              So Bulgaria concluded an agreement, and then began to coordinate it with the EU for a long time, and not the fact that it would coordinate, but time is money!

              You say, as if you yourself were there and everyone saw with your own eyes! They made fun ... laughing There is a law, there is an order, there are terms, everything is given in case given. hi
              And why did the President of Bulgaria apologize? Probably it was for what.

              Not the President / he is Gen. Radev /, but the Prime Minister / Gen. B. Borisov. I apologized because I considered myself personally responsible for violations of the Law, which was one of the reasons for the failure of UP! He pleads guilty, and Gazprom? When does he acknowledge his? There were no violations committed, and who is there unhappy that things were going slowly, let them think which is better? Slowly reach success, or fail quickly?
              And by writing - "propaganda" you (the collective West) decide a hundred truth, and what is a lie?

              I am not a collective West. Half of my relatives are Russian. I express my personal opinion, just like you do.
              Bulgaria and UP and BP buyer and transit. The seller is "Gazprom", he agrees to whom, when and how much gas to send, and the transiter's task is to deliver and receive money for this. All! There is no need for the transit country to think about something else!

              The EU is changing the conditions in favor of consumers. A common European market is being created, on a competitive basis! If you are a shareholder in Gazprom, I sympathize with you ...
              Bulgarian land or Romanian, you figure it out yourself, I wrote that Russians and Bulgarians killed each other, and then on WW2. On the third, you are also in the "enemy trenches"! Are you ready to kill Russians under the NATO flag? Your leaders are ready.

              Yes, we figured it out. For a long time there is no problem between us. Russians and Bulgarians did not kill each other in Russia, but close to the cities of Silistra and Tutrakan. This is the north of Bulgaria, look at the map. Unfortunately, we lost the third one together with you. The fourth will not be, because after it no one will survive on Earth! Do you think that the rulers of the world really want to burn their wealth, palaces, yachts, etc.? Nope ... they are not so stupid. hi
              1. major147
                major147 9 December 2019 20: 13
                0
                Quote: pytar
                Nope ... they are not so stupid.

                Well, God forbid! hi
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 December 2019 15: 34
          +1
          Quote: major147
          Are you on the protection of the laws of the EU, but propose to spit on the laws of Russia?

          Russia must observe its laws, and whoever does not like its laws, let them be heated with wood.
      3. mehan
        mehan 9 December 2019 13: 30
        -1
        Trying in vain.
    8. antivirus
      antivirus 9 December 2019 10: 54
      -1
      The Russian gas pipeline is vital for Bulgaria!

      no debtor
      let's see how fines will be set against Bulgarians for failure to meet deadlines - they are probably clearly indicated and the only question is the determination to get them
      1. pytar
        pytar 9 December 2019 11: 49
        0
        let's see how fines will be set against Bulgarians for failure to meet deadlines - they are probably clearly indicated and the only question is the determination to get them

        What are the fines for contracts? What clauses, what agreements does Bulgaria violate? If you have not read them, why comment?
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 9 December 2019 11: 54
          0
          mean the words of GDP at a meeting with Vucic only watered balancing act?
          1. pytar
            pytar 9 December 2019 12: 21
            0
            mean the words of GDP at a meeting with Vucic only watered balancing act?

            Most likely not awareness! The first reaction of Boris Borisov when he found out about the GDP statement was this: "Who is giving him / Putin / the wrong information? Someone is mistaken! What kind of advisers? I invite him, let him come and see with his own eyes! Construction is going at a good pace! Probably we will finish early! I will call him personally and find out everything ! "
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 9 December 2019 13: 08
              -3
              the main thing is not words, but what is written about the terms of the BEGINNING OF THE TURKISH FLOW CONTINUING IN BULGARIA AND FURTHER TO SERBIA + What volumes should be skipped, by what date ??? Do you know what Bulgargaz is building on schedule?
              1. pytar
                pytar 9 December 2019 14: 20
                +4
                Do you know what Bulgargaz is building on schedule?

                Yes! I know for sure. Moreover, one of the sites is on my responsibility. hi
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 9 December 2019 15: 15
                  0
                  success to you and keep the terms of the contract
                  but something tells me -Blgaria will be "asked" to delay the start of gas supplies to Serbia and Hungary
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 9 December 2019 16: 43
                    +1
                    but something tells me -Blgaria will be "asked" to delay the start of gas supplies to Serbia and Hungary

                    There would be such a danger if Western banks themselves did not invest heavily in this project! Boyko Borisov, with all his ambiguity, managed to combine the incompatible! Interests of the West from the interests of the East, while defending Bulgarian interests!
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 9 December 2019 15: 40
              +2
              Quote: pytar
              Most likely not awareness!

              Most likely, special disinformation is carried out in certain circles. Many do not like this gas pipeline.
              1. pytar
                pytar 9 December 2019 16: 44
                0
                Such a version of events is quite possible!
    9. iouris
      iouris 12 December 2019 22: 30
      -1
      The brakes are in Moscow.
  2. demo
    demo 9 December 2019 06: 34
    +5
    If Sofia repeats the South Stream experience a second time, then she will remain the fool, since the Turkish Stream will function quietly without Bulgaria participating in it. It is enough that Turkey, Greece, Serbia and other countries of the region will buy Russian gas.
    All this can and will be so, but there is one point.
    Erdogan is so often "skidded around the bends" that it may happen that Greece will start putting a spoke in its wheels.
    Then who will remain in the cold?
    Russia does not rely on those who can and should help.
    But we have no other "friends".
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 9 December 2019 07: 04
      +3
      Quote: demo
      Russia does not rely on those who can and should help.
      But we have no other "friends".

      No one will help at all! There are only interests, all sorts, mostly financial.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 December 2019 09: 52
      0
      Quote: demo
      Erdogan is so often "skidded around the bends" that it may happen that Greece will start putting a spoke in its wheels.

      And from a fellow traveler can become a random passerby.
    3. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 9 December 2019 10: 25
      +2
      Yes, the RF is doing everything right. Try and try. Just like that. Shove the uncanny.
    4. ccsr
      ccsr 9 December 2019 19: 13
      +1
      Quote: demo
      Erdogan is so often "skidded around the bends" that it may happen that Greece will start putting a spoke in its wheels.
      Then who will remain in the cold?

      No, we will block the gas for him, and he will immediately become like silk - two current flows are not a pound of raisins for you. And we will agree with Greece - cheap gas with their debts to the European Union looks like a life buoy.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 9 December 2019 07: 03
    +3
    Tell me who is your friend?
    "Brothers", their rulers, "play" and .... will play out completely.
    Although, ours, it seems, do not expect anything good from such ... "partners"! It is ruled there who is the enemy forever, in relation to Russia .... and all the national elites, these are toys, "instruments", in their hands.
    Again zhezh, nothing new.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 9 December 2019 07: 40
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      Tell me who is your friend?

      Do we have them? It seems that we invent them ourselves. After some statements, "about the eternal and indestructible dryuchbe with ...", I sometimes want to say - "Announce the whole list ..."
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 December 2019 08: 14
        +3
        And who can boast of such a list at all? There is nothing new in that, all interes, there are "blood / vave" ties / garters, and so on, on trifles.
        And the rest is all politics!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 December 2019 09: 56
        -1
        Quote: Vladimir61
        Do we have them? It seems that we come up with them ourselves

        And who have these friends?
    2. verp19
      verp19 9 December 2019 12: 29
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      "Brothers", their rulers, "play" and .... will play out completely.
      Although, ours, it seems, do not expect anything good from such ... "partners"! It is ruled there who is the enemy forever, in relation to Russia .... and all the national elites, these are toys, "instruments", in their hands.
      Again zhezh, nothing new.

      Do you think that there is no Russian influence in Bulgaria? And that Russia is not "buying" Bulgarian politicians?
      But it does it very badly.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 December 2019 12: 31
        0
        Quote: verp19
        Do you think that there is no Russian influence in Bulgaria? And that Russia is not "buying" Bulgarian politicians?

        This is dermocracy and nothing personal.
  4. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 9 December 2019 07: 08
    +4
    Do not do good, do not get evil!
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 9 December 2019 07: 12
    +3
    Bulgaria wants and injects and the "mother" does not order ....
  6. riwas
    riwas 9 December 2019 07: 23
    +5
    As in the joke about Chapaev - "only a Russian could step on the same rake twice."
  7. knn54
    knn54 9 December 2019 07: 41
    +9
    THIS IS A MINIMAL part of the reviews of ordinary Bulgarians about the "Turkish Stream"
    - God, what idiots are driving us now!
    Are you Bulgarians or are you? We had to fight !!!
    -Everything is very simple. We were led by a greedy prime minister with a BSP party. This is a national disaster!
    - In a year we will buy Russian gas from Turkey and Greece, only with a commission of Turks and Byzantines.
    - Comments are redundant here. We deserve such a fate and the definition of "Fools No. 1 in the world."
    -The West will never allow Bulgaria to have cheap energy and, as a result, a strong economy. They need us only as a colony, as a source of cheap labor and cheap resources.
    -I don’t understand, is anyone going to resign? Although the Bulgarian "politicians" the words "honor", "dignity" and "resignation" are not familiar.
    - We turned out to be as stupid prostitutes as the Poles, who were also against the Nord Stream, at one time. The Russians bypassed them and now sell gas to the Germans for $ 300, while these clever people pay 515 for it. An example was before our eyes ?!
    1. riwas
      riwas 9 December 2019 08: 11
      +2
      Yes. It's time for ours in Bulgaria to make a "color" revolution.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 9 December 2019 08: 16
      +1
      Like them, like a lot where else !!! dermocracy, the people, as it were, chooses those who rule them, the state, observes its interests ???
      Again zhezh, nothing new.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 December 2019 10: 20
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        dermocracy, the people, as it were, selects those who rule them, the state, observe its interests?

        The prominent US Zionist Rabbi Stephen Wise spoke well about the elections in 1910 to New Jersey voters "On Tuesday, Woodrow Wilson will become governor of your state, but he will not reach the end of the term, since in November 1912 he will become US President, and then he will be elected to second term ". Which is what happened. So the question is, what kind of a seer is this rabbi, or already those who need to know whom when and how much they will choose?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 9 December 2019 10: 23
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          So the question is, what kind of visionary is this rabbi, or already those who need to know whom they will choose when and how much.

          For the most excitable, let's say that this is a gift of God .... but for sane people, that is POLICY, i.e. everything in the world is sold and bought! And dermocracy, it’s such a .... low socially, and there’s nothing more to say.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 9 December 2019 10: 58
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            And dermocracy, it’s such a .... low socially, and there’s nothing more to say.

            Compared to democracy, these girls with low social ...... are still just innocence itself.
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 9 December 2019 11: 11
        +1
        I agree with Satanovsky "Democracy is a state system - when a bunch of scoundrels controls a crowd of and .diots." In principle, communism is better than democracy - but what to do with scoundrels and idiots! ”Stalin beat, beat - did not finish off, so they stuck their heads out.
    3. Octopus
      Octopus 9 December 2019 10: 38
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      The West will never allow ... to have ... a strong economy. They need us only as a colony, as a source of cheap labor and cheap resources.

      Oh gods.
    4. pytar
      pytar 9 December 2019 12: 13
      -2
      THIS IS A MINIMAL part of the reviews of ordinary Bulgarians about the "Turkish Stream"

      It is impossible to judge by the forum background, what a real attitude of ordinary Bulgarians to TP! There are tons of teams on the Bulgarian forums, sponsored by "interested players". An ordinary person is far from TP and all sorts of oligarchic battles on this occasion! 85% of the gas price for the consumer is formed mainly from taxes and taxes.
      1. demo
        demo 9 December 2019 20: 49
        0
        Hello Boyan.
        I haven’t heard you for a long time.
        Alive, healthy?
        You are not here.
        They told you that ALL Bulgaria on the ears means it is.
        Do not argue. drinks
        1. pytar
          pytar 9 December 2019 21: 55
          0
          Hi Wang!
          I have not commented on sdes for a long time. Yes, and did not intend. But could not resist. wassat
          Alive is healthy! How are you? good
          I agree, it’s not worth arguing. Everything will be fine and so! Do not doubt! drinks
          1. demo
            demo 9 December 2019 22: 36
            +2
            Everything is okay.
            Good luck to you, family and health.
            With God.
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 December 2019 07: 44
    +4
    "I am grateful that Russia does not hold evil. The elder always forgives ..." sad It's time to stop forgiving. Not a country, but a girl with low social responsibility.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 December 2019 10: 30
      +2
      Quote: Captive
      It's time to stop forgiving.

      Yes, it's just high time to live like the neighbors live. To live peacefully, not to give in debt, and not to get into debt. And no friendship, but there is no tobacco, each smokes his own. You are a Marlboro, and a neighbor is a makhorka.
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 December 2019 09: 07
    +3
    Betrayal is the destiny of relatives and friends, with enemies, and so everything is clear.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 9 December 2019 22: 01
      -1
      Why on earth are you stuffing with friends. Your guarantor said partners.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 10 December 2019 09: 10
        -1
        Such friends, for the trunk and to the museum. Also, my friend was found, go wash yourself.
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 10 December 2019 09: 51
          0
          My dear man, go to the museum.
  10. BAI
    BAI 9 December 2019 09: 10
    0
    Russia will seek alternative gas transit options if the Bulgarian state cannot protect its own interests and succumb to pressure from the United States and the European Union.

    There is no time to search for a new route.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 9 December 2019 22: 00
      0
      So teleport or weakly lacking route analogs to build?
  11. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 9 December 2019 09: 11
    -1
    I believe that the decision repeatedly made by the authorities to separate politics from the economy in communication with foreign states is a mistake. It looks like someone is chasing after the buyer with a plea to buy his goods, which the buyer certainly needs, and the buyer is naughty, rude and spits in his face, referring to the fact that the senior in the quarter does not order to buy. And the seller begs, well, buy my goods - you really need it. I looked at the share of gas sales in export. About 9%. Of course it’s sensitive. But it is necessary to subtract from the shortfalls the share of Turkey and Finland, which are not capricious, as well as the share of income from the sale of LNG. China does not take into account - there the matter is muddy. And once a lesson to cheeks - let them freeze in winter - maybe arrogance and come down. America will not quickly cover the needs of Europe with its LNG. Tales that will be treated differently are a lie. Under the USSR, the saleswoman was rude when selling the deficit, but they still bought it.
    1. pytar
      pytar 9 December 2019 10: 48
      +1
      It looks as if someone is chasing the buyer with a plea to buy his goods, which the buyer certainly needs ...

      Dear Mikhail, in normal market conditions it should be so! The buyer is the one whom manufacturers, suppliers and sellers are chasing! Moreover, under normal competitive conditions, many people need a product! Only in a monopoly position does the buyer depend on the supplier! With monopoly there is no competition, there is dictatorship and stagnation in economies!
      It is unlikely that you would like, without a choice, to buy goods from only one store! It’s better that there are several, so that you can choose and not depend on the vagaries of one arrogant monopolist! After all, your money! You must have a choice!
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 9 December 2019 11: 25
        0
        Boyan! That's right when it comes to products from many manufacturers. But the Lord decreed that there is gas in the Russian Federation and America, but almost none in Europe. As applied to gas, market laws do not work, because we are talking about a competition between monopolists. Bulgaria swore allegiance to the EU and America. The American ambassador has recently dictated to Bulgaria how it treats Russian gas so that Bulgaria buys American. And here is the competition? If Bulgaria and the EU as a whole want to buy American gas, this is their sovereign right. Gazprom does not think about its own country. 25 km from St. Petersburg they still drown with coal.
        1. pytar
          pytar 9 December 2019 11: 46
          0
          Mikhail, the EU is working methodically to create competitive conditions in the gas market! It’s great and in the interests of consumers, what Bulgaria is like! Nobody obliges anyone to buy American gas! But the consumer must have a choice! So Bulgaria has already bought 100 million sq. M. US LNG is 30% cheaper than Gazprom LNG! It is a fact! And on other sources it works in the moment! We will buy from the supplier who offers the price lower! This is the market! So that there is a market, we must differentiate from the sources! I understand that the monopolists do not like this kind of development, but I can’t worry about the Millers and so on. sooo rich gentlemen! Moreover, the competitive environment will benefit Gazprom! Compelled to increase efficiency, develop technology, reduce costs, etc.! Monopolism is disastrous, unnatural!
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 9 December 2019 11: 57
            +1
            buy LNG from amers-competition
            1. pytar
              pytar 9 December 2019 12: 28
              -3
              buy LNG from amers-competition

              Already bought and will buy again if the price is competitive. Moreover, they signed an agreement with Azerbaijan for 1 billion square meters, which is a third of all the country's needs. It works on other suppliers. Bulgaria was 100% dependent on Gazprom, which sold gas to us twice as much as on exchanges in Vienna. This situation is changing, although it is clear that Miller does not like the situation ... bully
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 10 December 2019 18: 21
                -1
                LNG will not be cheap for a long time now. They will put more on it, and after a while, when the customer base is formed, prices will go up from the beginning slowly and then sharply.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 10 December 2019 20: 59
                  0
                  We will see. Over recent years, cost has been steadily decreasing. Technological progress! Here is the Russian Novatek, quite successfully competing! Diversification and a single European gas transport system reduce risks for consumers. It turns out more opportunities for market regulation.
          2. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 9 December 2019 15: 39
            +1
            Boyan! Calm down already - if you don't want Russian gas, don't buy it. As for LNG from the USA with a price 30% lower than the market price, then everything is simple, you want to teach Gazprom about market relations, but you have heard such a word dumping - this is an understatement of the price below the cost price in order to remove competitors from the market - a very strong move was invented by your American friends, only here the Germans are not led to it. The price of LNG cannot be lower than the price of pipeline gas. As for your advice to Gazprom, I will certainly pass it on to Gazprom if I figure out how to do it. Otherwise they do not know that it is necessary to invent technologies! As for your comments about the fact that the seller should run after the buyer - there is some truth in this. But the story with South Stream has taught Russia that it is not worth running after buyers whose decisions depend on a third party. It was difficult to come to an agreement with China, but now gas supplies there have begun and will continue and expand for another 30 years - we can say with confidence - because China, unlike Bulgaria, is an independent country.
            1. pytar
              pytar 9 December 2019 17: 43
              -1
              Yes, calm down already - do not want Russian gas - do not buy.

              Dear Mikhail, I’m quite calm! drinks Here the deal is - we will buy from everyone. And we will transport in different directions. And we will build the Balkan gas distribution hub / gas exchange. With EU support.
              ... and we heard such a word dumping - this is an understatement of the price below cost to remove competitors from the market - they came up with a very strong move

              I’ll tell you a secret, EU policy is aimed at maintaining competition! If someone dumps with the goal of killing a competitor, he will immediately receive large fines! This is not a policy of equal conditions, but a policy of equalizing opportunities! So that no one would gain an advantage and crush the whole market for yourself! Competition should not stop, that’s the whole idea!
              As for your advice to Gazprom, I will certainly pass it on to Gazprom if I invent how to do it.

              Yes, if desired, I can contact him. After all, we work together. The problem is not in publicity, but in listening ... Excellent specialists work in Gazprom, but politics also influences it, often to the detriment of professionals.
              To summarize: Everything with TP will be fine, despite the negative propaganda background! hi
              1. Mac Simka
                Mac Simka 9 December 2019 21: 57
                0
                UzBogot do not want to. Propaganda from a zombie does not allow, and in manuals it is written that Kirkorov is a Bulgarian.

  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 December 2019 11: 22
    -1
    I am grateful that Russia does not hold evil. The elder always forgives.
    And how many pardons does Bulgaria expect? And this is too much with arrogant conceit and disrespect for the Russian president
    ... they don’t like that Bulgaria is so loyal and strong member of NATO and the EU,
    Bulgaria is a strong member of NATO and the EU - it’s not funny by itself.
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 10 December 2019 01: 50
      -2
      It depends on whom to compare. If with Albania or Latvia, then yes, strong smile
  13. dgonni
    dgonni 9 December 2019 13: 16
    -1
    If there will be enough of the countries listed, why is Boron cheese with Bulgarians coming in?
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 9 December 2019 22: 16
      +1
      They love us, the day does not pass so that they don’t remember us.
  14. The Sparkle
    The Sparkle 9 December 2019 14: 43
    -3
    Turkish opinion on the Bulgarians - https://youtu.be/OcCl1yyh_S0
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 9 December 2019 22: 15
      +3
      And I’m embarrassed to post the opinion of the Bulgarians, immediately banned. But not the point - the storyteller talks about what he had not seen in life. Let us give you opinions - Serbs, Greeks, Romanians and Albanians. Maybe Russian with permanent residence in Bulgaria.
  15. msm
    msm 9 December 2019 14: 52
    0
    Yes, Gazprom’s top-level strategic thinking is at zero level. It was clear a long time ago that it was necessary to switch to LNG, and to build not pipelines, but gas tankers.
    Imagine, there was no Nord Stream 2 or South Stream, but the gas was transported by tankers. Well, what restrictions could there be? We paid, we brought it - upon payment. And so throughout Asia, for example. And further.
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  17. Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 9 December 2019 15: 45
    +2
    Wonderful comments. Bulgaria, as part of Europe, pursues a policy in the interests of Europe. Perhaps they are mistaken, but they will definitely not work in our interests. And here about righteous anger about little brothers ... Kindergarten.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 9 December 2019 22: 10
      0
      You honor and respect, and another plus from me in karma.
  18. fan_
    fan_ 9 December 2019 16: 20
    -1
    ShOO again ???
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 9 December 2019 22: 32
      +1
      Yes, no - I had a dream.
  19. Mac Simka
    Mac Simka 9 December 2019 21: 53
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Because of the Bulgarians, the word bros acquired a negative color.
    It's time to call them by their own name - woof.nuki.


    Itself seems to be better than the gav.nyuk himself. But the essence cannot be changed.
  20. Mac Simka
    Mac Simka 9 December 2019 22: 09
    +2
    Quote: Operator
    Bulgarian pilots, who were enlisted in the Luftwaffe for disguise, shot down about 1942 Soviet aircraft near Stalingrad in 200.

    Fascist Bulgaria from 1941 to 1944 fought along with Nazi Germany.


    Yes? Or maybe the name of at least one Bulgarian pilot near Stalingrad bring. Or a photo of a sbitigo / captured Bulgarian pilot? Or maybe Bulgarian Kremlin sappers stormed in 1941, no?
    I can’t wait for the Bulgarian hordes on the tip of the Barbarossa. Gentlemen are storytellers, let's not let it down, Photoshop in your hands and go ahead - show the Bulgarian soldiers on the Eastern Front.
  21. Mac Simka
    Mac Simka 9 December 2019 22: 32
    0
    Quote: verp19
    Quote: Senior Sailor
    So the Bulgarians, too ...

    Unfortunately fought.


    Or bring a proof when they declared war, where, by what forces and when exactly did they fight? Or REN-TV does not give rest?
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 10 December 2019 01: 47
      -1
      According to the principle: "He is not Romanian, he is Bulgarian." "Yes? What's the difference?" (K / f Brother, the hero of Sukhorukov)
    2. The Sparkle
      The Sparkle 10 December 2019 08: 24
      0
      Here is a "peaceful Bulgaria", and without any tales from Ren-TV: - "Five Soviet submarines were sunk in the territorial waters of Bulgaria: Shch-204, 210, 211, L-24, S-34. 240 sailors were killed. of them were blown up by mines, and the rest were destroyed by seaplanes of 161 eagle (regiment) of the Bulgarian Air Force, stationed on Varna Lake. The aircraft of this unit searched for and destroyed our submarines not only in Bulgarian waters, but also in part of the Black Sea. In Romanian and neutral two more Soviet submarines were destroyed in the waters ...
      ... The planes and personnel of 161 bracken were captured by the landing of our marines on September 8, 1944 ... "
      1. pytar
        pytar 10 December 2019 11: 09
        -2
        Here's a "peaceful Bulgaria ", and without any tales from Ren-TV

        The USSR and Bulgaria maintain normal diplomatic relations during WWII. It is a fact.
        "In the territorial waters of Bulgaria five Soviet submarines were sunk

        Submarines peaceful in relation to Bulgaria of the Soviet Union, in Bulgarian tervod... It is known that 2 of them came across mines and then a very close distance from the coast, the other 2 were probably destroyed by the bulg. Air Force, nothing is known about one. Two submarines are landing commando communist squads on the Bulgarian coast. This is at a time when a bloody civil war between monarchists and communists is waged in the Kingdom of Bulgaria!
        On August 2, 1941 with the directive No. ЗН / 282 Adm. Kuznetsov / GK ChMF USSR / orders: "Conduct operation" DB-3 "to block the Bulgarian territorial waters with mines". This directive directly violates neutral Bulgaria status in relation to the USSR.
        An interesting and little-known fact: On June 23, 1941, just days after the German attack on the USSR, the commander of the Bulgarian Navy Cap.I p. A. Toshev, on the basis of the Hag Convention on the Status of Neutral States, sends an ultimatum to the Commander of the German Navy in Bulgaria Cap. Wesemann - "Within 24 hours, the German Navy must withdraw from the Bulgarian terrorist forces! " Weseman does not fulfill the requirements, and the German fleet is deployed to attack the Bulgarian Navy! Under pressure from the German ambassador and under the threat of a military clash, Bulgaria withdraws its demands.
        In 1943, the real situation leads to a scandal in the Bulgarian-Romanian relations, when the Romanian general secretary, as a result of meetings and consultations with the Turkish official authorities, develops a map and a memorandum and hands them to the Wehrmacht Supreme Command. According to these documents, the entire Bulgarian Black Sea coast is divided between Romania and Turkey with the border of Cape Emine. According to the plan, Romania and Turkey are planning to take Bulgarian territodes under their control, right down to the coast, without getting the consent of the Bulgarian authorities!

        The plan is motivated by the fact that by removing Russophile Bulgaria from the USSR the big threat to the Balkans will be neutralized ... ".
    3. verp19
      verp19 10 December 2019 09: 58
      +1
      Quote: Mac Simka
      Or bring a proof when they declared war, where, by what forces and when exactly did they fight?


      In WWI. Did you know that Bulgaria was one of the parties to the Brest-Lithuanian peace treaty.

      In WWII - the USSR, long before the outbreak of war in September of the 44th year, he waged an undeclared war with Bulgaria. The Danube was mined, bombed in the 42nd Bulgarian cities, expelled sabotage groups (from the Bulgarian communists). True use of this is small, but true.
      After the entry of Soviet troops on the territory of Bulgaria, they fought and made victims with ... antifreeze and technical alcohol.
      And by the way committed a lot of crime. Like all troops in a foreign territory.
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 10 December 2019 10: 38
        +1
        Quote: verp19
        In WWI. Did you know that Bulgaria was one of the parties to the Brest-Lithuanian peace treaty.


        And in WWI RI itself, it declared war on Bulgaria and the ships of its Black Sea Fleet fired at Varna, when the Zayokonchovsky corps was still chasing women around the Ukrainian farm and there were not even any battles planned. Therefore, Bulgaria has become one of the parties to the Brest-Litovsk Treaty. But I wrote about WWII.

        Quote: verp19
        After the entry of Soviet troops on the territory of Bulgaria, they fought and made victims with ... antifreeze and technical alcohol.


        A few dozen more died from illness, and several people shot through the Soviet command for looting and harassment of women. Yes, there were victims of the Soviet army in Bulgaria.
        1. verp19
          verp19 10 December 2019 11: 48
          +1
          Quote: Mac Simka
          But I wrote about WWII.

          About WWII - it's another matter. There, as already colleagues wrote it was PLO. But in general, as an example, how absurd and cruel the war is is the sinking of the Bulgarian ship "Struma", under the command of a Russian captain, filled with Jewish refugees, by the Soviet submarine Sh-213 in the territorial waters of Turkey.
          1. Mac Simka
            Mac Simka 10 December 2019 11: 51
            +1
            But they won’t drag on refugees. They if that GB do not begin to dismiss. And still a boat for a budget. And the winners are not judged.
  22. Mac Simka
    Mac Simka 10 December 2019 09: 45
    0
    Quote: Flame
    Here is such a "peaceful Bulgaria", and without any tales from Ren-TV: - "In the territorial waters of Bulgaria five Soviet submarines were sunk: Shch-204, 210, 211, L-24, S-34. Killed 240 sailors. Some of them were blown up by mines, and the rest were destroyed by seaplane 161 brackets (regiment) of the Bulgarian Air Force, stationed on Lake Varna. The aircraft of this unit searched and destroyed our submarines not only in the Bulgarian waters, but also in parts of the Black Sea. In Romanian and neutral waters, two more Soviet submarines were destroyed ...
    ... The planes and personnel of 161 bracken were captured by the landing of our marines on September 8, 1944 ... "


    That's it. There was nothing to go into the country from which you are not in a state of war.
    1. The Sparkle
      The Sparkle 10 December 2019 12: 36
      -2
      Is Russia to blame for everything? We are not at war, but we will sink just in case / in neutral waters too / - this is the essence of your statements. Then the Ukrainian troughs should have been destroyed in the Crimea "just in case", and in general in the Black Sea, following the example of Bulgaria - all the same, Russia will be considered guilty, and not the outskirts - right?
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 10 December 2019 14: 57
        0
        So are we Soviet submarines dragging themselves to their nostrils? Why then show?
        We drowned ourselves, in neutrals - did not drown. Calm down and watch your programs further.
        1. The Sparkle
          The Sparkle 10 December 2019 16: 19
          -2
          You simply lie about neutral status, not wanting to notice some facts! In the text I quoted above, you marked in bold letters about Russian submarines in the territorial waters of Bulgaria, but did not pay attention to the following words in the same text, I will repeat them for you again:
          "... The planes of this unit searched for and destroyed our submarines not only in Bulgarian waters, but also in part of the Black Sea. TWO MORE Soviet submarines were DESTROYED IN ROMANIAN and NEUTRAL waters ..."
          1. Mac Simka
            Mac Simka 10 December 2019 19: 33
            +2
            Since when did Romanian tervodes become neutral?

            What kind of Soviet submarines were destroyed, please names, otherwise it will turn out that we and Novorossiysk and Chervona Ukraine sank.
  23. Operator
    Operator 10 December 2019 11: 15
    +4
    Quote: pytar
    On June 23, 1941, just days after the German attack on the USSR, the commander of the Bulgarian Navy Cap. I p. A. Toshev, on the basis of the Hag Convention on the Status of Neutral States, sends an ultimatum to the Commander of the German Navy in Bulgaria Cap. Wesemann - "Within 24 hours, the German Navy must withdraw from the Bulgarian terrorist forces!" Wesemann does not fulfill the requirements and the German fleet is deployed for an attack over the Bulgarian Black Sea Fleet! Under pressure from the German ambassador and under the threat of a military confrontation, Bulgaria withdraws its demands.

    Those. From June 23, 1941, Bulgaria assisted Germany in the war against the USSR.

    ".......", S. Lavrov (C)
    1. pytar
      pytar 10 December 2019 11: 35
      -1
      Those. From June 23, 1941, Bulgaria assisted Germany in the war against the USSR.

      It is quite obvious that Bulgaria clearly declared its neutral status to the USSR. By the way, another fact:
      The Berlin-Rome-Tokyo Axis Establishment Agreement, Part 5 reads: "... these agreements do not in any way affect the political situation that exists between each of the pre-negotiating countries and the USSR ..." Bulgaria, having signed an agreement upon compulsion and proceeding from part 5, has retained the norms. diplomatic relations with the USSR. In fact, neither legally nor actually was Germany's ally in the war against the USSR. hi
    2. verp19
      verp19 10 December 2019 11: 52
      0
      Like Sweden, for example wink

      Do you know - the so-called "Sable action"?
      1. Operator
        Operator 10 December 2019 12: 16
        +2
        This is what you remembered the Sobolev action of 1940 (during which the USSR proposed that Bulgaria not only conclude an agreement on mutual assistance, but also recognized the desire of Bulgaria to include the European territory of Turkey and part of the territory of Greece as justified), to which Bulgaria refused again time became an ally of Germany during WWII?

        After which there was a natural bummer in the hotel rooms of Bulgaria, for which the Bulgarians, as always, blame us, and not themselves.

        Keep walking the rake laughing
        1. verp19
          verp19 10 December 2019 12: 50
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          This is what you remembered the Sobolev action of 1940 (during which the USSR proposed that Bulgaria not only conclude an agreement on mutual assistance, but also recognized the desire of Bulgaria to include the European territory of Turkey and part of the territory of Greece as justified), to which Bulgaria refused again time became an ally of Germany during WWII?

          I remembered Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania ...
          1. Operator
            Operator 10 December 2019 13: 25
            +2
            You carefully remember Lithuania with Vilnius region laughing
            1. pytar
              pytar 10 December 2019 13: 48
              +1
              You carefully remember Lithuania with Vilnius region

              They took all of Lithuania to the USSR and added the Vilnius Territory to it ... It’s like I took a thousand rubles into my pocket and added a hundred more to them ... laughing
              1. Operator
                Operator 10 December 2019 13: 51
                +3
                Now Lithuania with Vilnius, and Bulgaria without Thrace - look for your next rake laughing
                1. pytar
                  pytar 10 December 2019 14: 16
                  +1
                  and Bulgaria without Thrace

                  Do you know where is Thrace? laughing
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 10 December 2019 14: 38
                    +3
                    See the hyperlinks on the text of the Wikipedia article "Sobolevskaya action", where the text of the proposals of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR is quoted, indicating Eastern and Western Thrace.

                    What did you think about? laughing
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 10 December 2019 16: 07
                      -1
                      ... according to the text of the Wikipedia article "Sobolevskaya action", which quotes the text of the proposals of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR indicating Eastern and Western Thrace. What did you think of?

                      Andrei, I personally asked you if you know where Thrace is, from which parts will be held and in which states are they located? Also, what population lived in the regions you mentioned in the 40s? Do you know under what conditions the proposal of the USSR was valid? By the way, the wiki is not entirely accurate in the given case. All Bulgarian archives including those on the so-called. "Sobolevskaya action", after 09.09.1944, is taken by the NKVD. They are located in Moscow and are classified as "secret".
        2. pytar
          pytar 10 December 2019 12: 58
          +1
          USSR ... and recognized justified the desire of Bulgaria to include the European territory of Turkey and part of the territory of Greece

          In 1878, the Republic of Ingushetia recognized the Bulgarian character of these lands and fought for their inclusion in the Bulgarian state. But very soon in 1885 she did everything in her power so that even what was included in the trimmed Berlin treaty of Bulgaria went to Serbia and Turkey. It did not work out, but the Bulgarians remained unpleasantly leftover ...
          In 1912, the Republic of Ingushetia recognized the rights of Bulgaria over these lands! Became a guarantor even! And in 1913 it was silent when our neighbors occupied them. And she gave the order to the Romanian king!
          In 1914, RI again recognized that yes ... children of the land are rightfully Bulgarian! I was persuaded by the Serbs, let's give them back to the Bulgarians ... And in 1916 she sent corps against the Bulgarians in the same areas.
          In 1940, "the USSR ... and recognized as justified Bulgaria's desire to include in its composition the European territory of Turkey and part of the territory of Greece." And in 1945, the USSR planned to include all of Bulgaria in a foreign state. It didn't work out, but for that they managed to "give birth" from the Macedonian Bulgarians to the "ancient Macedonians"! Until now, the Russian Federation is "on the knife" every attempt at rapprochement between the Republic of Belarus and the RSM.
          Shas RF is friends with Turkey. You can often read on the ru-forums "let's give the Bulgarians to the Turks!"
          The interests of RI / USSR / RF often changed! Consequently, other countries have every right to defend their interests. hi
        3. verp19
          verp19 10 December 2019 14: 24
          +2
          Quote: Operator
          Keep walking the rake



          Ex ...
          Rake...
          Yes, Bulgaria is stepping on a rake. But Russia? Doesn't she make fatal mistakes all the time?
          Isn’t the relationship between Russia and Bulgaria for the XNUMXth, XNUMXth, and XNUMXst centuries teeming with errors? Is Bulgaria alone to blame?
      2. pytar
        pytar 10 December 2019 12: 30
        +1
        Sweden, Switzerland were neutral to all countries. Bulgaria would not be allowed that. Therefore, they chose a lesser evil - to formally declare, as they believed, the war of GB and USA, having thus received an argument before the Germans, so as not to fight against the USSR.
        Sobolev action: Tsar Boris and the government considered this issue quite serially. Just at that time, well-known events in the Baltic states took place. The USSR signed treaties from the Baltic states, and then turned them into Soviet republics. Tsar Boris realized that monarchical Bulgaria would face the same fate if he accepted the proposal of the Soviet Union.
        1. verp19
          verp19 10 December 2019 12: 54
          0
          Quote: pytar
          Sweden, Switzerland were neutral to all countries.


          Neutral, but Swedish ore was turning into German shells. For some reason, however, Sweden cost so little and fluffy, and Bulgaria - it becomes a terrible traitor? My comment is related to the fact that our Russian brothers too much blacken Bulgaria.
          1. pytar
            pytar 10 December 2019 13: 53
            0
            Neutral, but Swedish ore was turning into German shells ..

            Here you can mention Turkey / chrome / and a bunch of others.
            My comment is related to the fact that our Russian brothers too much blacken Bulgaria.

            I would not call the brothers, those who denigrate Bulgaria or Russia.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 10 December 2019 13: 41
          0
          Quote: pytar
          Sweden, Switzerland were neutral to all countries.

          Neutral countries, unlike Bulgaria, did not contain German troops on their territory. So if you did not directly participate in the war against the USSR, then you did everything to keep the German troops at home. And after that, you want our submarines not to enter your "neutral" waters to destroy the Nazis?
          1. verp19
            verp19 10 December 2019 13: 57
            +1
            What troops are there and when?

            The Germans kept on the territory of Bulgaria (after the Yugoslav and Greek campaigns) mainly air defense personnel. For the protection of Romanian oil.
            And why did the USSR declare war in September 1944? And not earlier?

            Fascists ... i.e. Italians? Or did the Nazis?

            1. ccsr
              ccsr 10 December 2019 18: 40
              +1
              Quote: verp19
              The Germans kept on the territory of Bulgaria

              They held, so do not wag.
              Quote: verp19
              And why did the USSR declare war in September 1944? And not earlier?

              Stalin felt sorry for you, and not only in this - he also ensured that you did not pay reparations after the war as accomplices of fascist Germany, although the Allies insisted on it.
              1. verp19
                verp19 11 December 2019 10: 01
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                Stalin felt sorry for you, and not only in this - he also ensured that you did not pay reparations after the war as accomplices of fascist Germany, although the Allies insisted on it.


                Is it?
                It is interesting to whom did Stalin turn in the 41st year to ask for peace from Hitler? Why, then, the compassionate did not declare war? Perhaps the gut is weak?

                100 million USD of reparations in 8 years - of course we don’t think so? A mere trifle.
                Rejection of our financial claims on Germany? We also do not think so. Also a trifle. Also 100 million
                The maintenance of the Soviet army in Bulgaria about 300 million. USD (at that time) is also a trifle.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 11 December 2019 12: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: verp19
                  Is it?
                  It is interesting to whom did Stalin turn in the 41st year to ask for peace from Hitler?

                  Only Bulgarians can believe in this lie.
                  Quote: verp19
                  Why, then, the compassionate did not declare war? Perhaps the gut is weak?

                  If the troops of Bulgaria entered our territory, then they would declare war, like Romania and Hungary.
                  Quote: verp19
                  100 million USD of reparations in 8 years - of course we don’t think so?

                  I don’t know what you think there, but Bulgaria was released on the initiative of Stalin from reparations, in contrast, for example, from Finland, which paid everything right.
                  Quote: verp19
                  The maintenance of the Soviet army in Bulgaria about 300 million. USD (at that time) is also a trifle.

                  And what do you think - join the war on the side of Hitler, and we will give you material help for this? By the way, you forget that the Red Army quickly left the territory of Bulgaria after the end of the war, and you could have stayed for forty years if Stalin wanted to.
                2. pytar
                  pytar 11 December 2019 13: 10
                  -1
                  It is interesting to whom did Stalin turn in the 41st year to ask for peace from Hitler?

                  I got my first ban on VO after I told about this story. Someone really did not like that there was such a fact. laughing
          2. pytar
            pytar 10 December 2019 16: 38
            -1
            So if you did not directly participate in the war against the USSR, then you did everything to keep the German troops at home.

            About the anti-fascist struggle in Bulgaria, you obviously do not know anything! Or pretends not to know!
            12 operational partisan zones! 18 300 partisans, 12 300 members of battle groups and up to 200 thousand jatak / kind. assistants. In the summer of 1944, the NOPA included 9 brigades, 35 battalions and detachments, 2 four and several battle groups. As of the beginning of September 1944, the NOPA included 1 partisan division, 9 brigades and 37 detachments and battle groups.
            Partisan units attacked the Wehrmacht units in Bulgaria, destroyed railways and other military communications, fought with the Bulgarian police and gendarmerie units, engaged in sabotage activities (in particular, carried out actions to destroy products intended for the Wehrmacht, German industry, etc.). The battle groups of the BKP killed the Nazis and their Bulgarian accomplices, organized sabotage and acts of sabotage at military factories and other strategic facilities.
            Between the beginning of June and the end of November 1941, 69 operations were carried out by partisans and underground activists; from the beginning of December 1941 to the end of December 1942 - 452 operations; during 1943 - 1606 operations, from the beginning of April to the end of August 1944 - another 1909 operations. Totally 4036!

            The Germans kept on the territory of Bulgaria mainly air defense personnel.

            Here is kolega verp19are not entirely accurate. Due to the increasing scale of the partisan movement and the inability of the authorities to cope with it, the Wehrmacht was constantly forced to increase the composition of German troops in Bulgaria. With 10 thousand. in 41 to 30 thousand. in 44, from mid-summer to September 44, the Germans, in view of the hopelessness of the situation, almost completely withdrawn their troops from Bulgaria. The USSR declared war, for completely different reasons! To get ahead of the British army advancing from the south!
            1. Karen
              Karen 10 December 2019 16: 50
              +1
              pytar, I already here explained to others that after the execution by the Germans of Dr. Peev - Moscow radio in the voice of Levitan said: "Slavs!
              The faithful son of the Slavic peoples was shot tonight ... "
              1. pytar
                pytar 10 December 2019 17: 36
                -1
                Dear Karen hi , the topic is extremely wide! I don’t mention the Bulgarians Heroes of the Soviet Union, the scale of the participation of the Bulgarian army in the war against the Wehrmacht, and many other important things!
                Other impossible to explain. They have different goals! Controversy, inspire negativity to all and to all!
                Truth ultimately always wins! Everything will be fine, do not hesitate! good
                1. Karen
                  Karen 10 December 2019 17: 48
                  -1
                  Boyan! hi
                  Quote: pytar
                  Truth ultimately always wins! Everything will be fine, do not hesitate!

                  I strongly doubt ... Because I clearly see from the side that everything is done for the fifth column ...
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 10 December 2019 20: 13
                    -1
                    We will see. I'm an optimist. good
                2. ccsr
                  ccsr 10 December 2019 18: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: pytar
                  It is impossible to explain to others. They have different goals! Controversy, inspire negativity to all and to all!

                  This is a lie, because we are simply considering the history of relations between Bulgaria and Russia, not from the point of view of common religion or proletarian internationalism, but from the point of view of historical facts that no one can deny. And these facts destroy the mythology of "brotherhood", that's why you don't like it, and I understand why.
                  1. Karen
                    Karen 10 December 2019 20: 31
                    0
                    Quote: ccsr
                    And these facts destroy the mythology of "brotherhood", that's why you don't like it, and I understand why.

                    Respected ccsrHave you been interested in the "fifth column" of the Bulgarian authorities over the past 30 years? A lot in common with newKhazaria ...
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 11 December 2019 11: 51
                      0
                      Quote: Karen
                      Dear ccsr, have you been interested in the "fifth column" of the Bulgarian authorities over the past 30 years? A lot in common with newKhazaria ...

                      In Russia, it’s not so simple with it, but somehow we don’t bother with it, but we think how to survive in this world. And when we are thrown even by those from whom we would like to have support even in joint projects, agree that this causes not only bewilderment, but also contempt. That's why we have such a reaction, especially when you start to study the entire history of the twentieth century without an ideological context.
                      1. Karen
                        Karen 11 December 2019 11: 58
                        0
                        Quote: ccsr
                        That's why we have such a reaction, especially when you start to study the entire history of the twentieth century without an ideological context.

                        "We have" - ​​is it about Russians in general? I see your power as not Russian at all, not Russian-oriented ... Maybe I'm wrong ... But I have a feeling that your power is simply stretching the time so that the carriers of imperial thinking that are dangerous for them (their power) would leave by natural death ... Naturally, I'm of the opinion about conspiracy theory ...
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 11 December 2019 13: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Karen
                        "We have" - ​​is it about Russians in general?

                        This is for all literate people living in Russia, regardless of nationality, because in essence we still have in our brains international education in the fifth column. At least among the people of my generation, but let the current one think for herself.
                        Quote: Karen
                        the carriers of imperial thinking, dangerous for them (their power), have left ..

                        Only spiritualized nations can be the bearers of imperial thinking, and we won the golden calf, that's why there can be no talk of any empire. Although we can call ourselves imperials or anyone else, our essence, unfortunately, is different, where there is no that pride and greatness that the Soviet people had for example.
                      3. Karen
                        Karen 11 December 2019 14: 11
                        0
                        Yes, I remember your opinion that the October coup is a matter of the people, and not an act financed from abroad, which put the Russian ethnos under the skating rink ... The "internationalists" Latvians, Germans, Hungarians and Chinese then sweated to the bone ...
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr 11 December 2019 19: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Karen
                        Yes, I remember your opinion that the October coup is a matter of the people, and not an act financed from abroad that put a Russian ethnos under the skating rink ...

                        Apparently you didn’t quite correctly understand my idea, because the October Revolution is primarily a consequence of the February Revolution, which led to the overthrow of the autocracy. After this, a chain reaction began, when the state was falling apart before our eyes, desertion from the front took alarming proportions, and the power of the Provisional Government turned out to be untenable. In this situation, the Bolsheviks were able to easily seize power only because they promised the people a number of social transformations and the conclusion of peace, which met the aspirations of the masses. So blaming the Bolsheviks, about whom very few people knew in Russia before 1917, is simply dishonorable for everything that happened during the Civil War - they were only participants in this tragedy and won. But if the other side had won, it is still unknown what it would have poured to us in 1941.
                      5. Karen
                        Karen 11 December 2019 19: 16
                        0
                        I say that you vote for the Bolsheviks, who were a Western project from the very beginning ...
                        And February was the work of the West, all these Bolshevik and other evil spirits were fed from their pumping ... There was no smell of people either in February or in October ... And the money smelled like out of a toilet ... dirty money for dirty corrupt Russians and clean money for "internationalists" whose dream was to destroy the Russian ethnos ...
                        Too lazy to get a magazine out of the closet, which quotes the words from a London magazine from 1913: "The Jews decided to end the Russian Empire - so it will be !!!"
                      6. ccsr
                        ccsr 11 December 2019 19: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Karen
                        I say that you vote for the Bolsheviks, who were a Western project from the very beginning ...

                        Marxism was born in the West, you can not argue with that. But our October Revolution was a consequence not so much of Western infusions as the greed and unprincipledness of our elite of that time, which carried out the February revolution.
                        Quote: Karen
                        Yes, and February is the work of the West, all Bolshevik and other evil spirits were fed from their swap ...

                        Just a clarification - the February revolution was a typical bourgeois revolution, and you will not attract the Bolsheviks to it. I don’t know who sponsored our oligarchs who participated in this, but I don’t doubt that they were scoundrels and fools when they overthrew the tsar.
                      7. Karen
                        Karen 11 December 2019 20: 05
                        0
                        The February one was as corrupt as the French one, for example ... English ships stood with pointed guns at Peter ... And about the participation of the Bolsheviks in February, he is well analyzed by Olgovich ... He cites only the facts ... Unlike others ...
                        About October - well, too lazy to repeat ... Even the oligarchs' friend Putin asked: "Have you watched the movie" Who Paid Lenin "?"
                      8. ccsr
                        ccsr 11 December 2019 20: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Karen
                        And about the participation of the Bolsheviks in February, he is well analyzed by Olgovich ... He cites only the facts ... Unlike others ...

                        You would rather read L. A. Tikhomirov, who described the February Troubles, and this was an outstanding theoretician of monarchism, and he could not lie, he wrote everything that he saw at that time. Read, maybe something will change in your ideas.
                        Quote: Karen
                        Even the oligarchs' friend Putin asked: "Have you watched the film Who Paid Lenin?"

                        He needs to justify the collapse of the USSR and the current existence of the oligarchy, which is why he refers to all sorts of dubious sources.
                        Quote: Karen
                        well analyzed by Olgovich.

                        And who is this, and what is he famous for?
                      9. Karen
                        Karen 11 December 2019 20: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You would rather read L. A. Tikhomirov, who described the February Troubles, and this was an outstanding theoretician of monarchism, and he could not lie, he wrote everything that he saw at that time. Read, maybe something will change in your ideas.

                        I said more than once ... Russian resistance to the revolutionary movement was twisted into a ram's horn ... 12000 murders of civil servants did their job ... All these Black Hundreds and monarchists simply turned into nothing ... As today in Khazaria - "Bandera" are dancing to the tune Kolomoisky ...
                        _____
                        Olgovich cites documents, unlike his opponents ... (In my thinking, I do not accept only his hatred of Stalin ... I think that only Stalin could save the country from Trotsky ...)
                  2. pytar
                    pytar 10 December 2019 20: 35
                    0
                    This is a lie, because we are simply considering the history of relations between Bulgaria and Russia not from the point of view of a common religion or proletarian internationalism, but from the perspective of historical facts that no one can deny.

                    The topic here is different / gas, business /, but somehow a certain category of forum users cannot always fit into it. Including me, although I react in response. laughing
                    History must be considered in a causal relationship. And it’s not like you to select and distort facts, adjusting them to certain positions and attitudes. From each story you pick up the negative! And you are silent or ignoring the positive! Why? It turns out that it is you who are lying!
                    History, this is a continuous series of events that happen from the past. Any other approach, one-sided, is wrong. The story is not black and white! The biggest sin itself is ignorance! From him come all the rest! - said one wise man!
                    And these facts destroy the mythology of "brotherhood", that's why you don't like it, and I understand why.

                    Earlier, in the days of socialism, propaganda selected facts proving brotherhoods! Now, on the contrary! There are enemies and traitors, all non-brothers, only "we" are good, "righteous"!
                    In real politics, there has never been a brotherhood. There are interests. Brotherhood is possible between people, between most parts of peoples! People like you are trying to ruin him too! But those who think know, those who know see!
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 11 December 2019 11: 55
                      -1
                      Quote: pytar
                      It turns out that it is you who are lying!

                      You also reproach FM Dostoevsky for lying, so that everyone will understand your "nobility" in relation to our people.
                      Quote: pytar
                      real politics never had a brotherhood. There are interests.

                      As it turned out, your interests do not coincide with ours, and therefore we should consider you as a member of NATO and a real enemy of Russia.
                      Quote: pytar
                      People like you are trying to ruin him too!

                      You yourself spoiled them since the 19th century, so there is no need to pretend that you started to do harm only after the collapse of the USSR.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 11 December 2019 13: 19
                        -1
                        You also reproach FM Dostoevsky for lying, so that everyone will understand your "nobility" in relation to our people.

                        Dostoevsky representative of the imperial part of the intelligentsia! From his point of view, the liberation of Russia by the Slavic peoples, means their rejection of the right to their own politics. But in such a case, it is not liberation!
                        As it turned out, your interests do not coincide with ours, and therefore we should consider you as a member of NATO and a real enemy of Russia.

                        Sometimes they coincide, sometimes not. From all over the world so. Everything changes over time, nothing is static. The perception of Russia depends on its interests and nothing else. The example of NATO Turkey is evident.
                        You yourself spoiled them since the 19th century, so there is no need to pretend that you started to do harm only after the collapse of the USSR.

                        Of course we are, and who else ?! Always at all times, since the Neolithic! laughing
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 11 December 2019 13: 48
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        Dostoevsky representative of the imperial part of the intelligentsia! From his point of view

                        Don’t be zealous, we ourselves will somehow deal with Dostoevsky, since we began to study him in the Soviet school, and we understand what he wrote about.
                        Quote: pytar
                        Of course we are, and who else ?!

                        Well, they finally confessed, otherwise they all pretended to be "brothers" ...
                      3. pytar
                        pytar 11 December 2019 15: 07
                        -1
                        Do not be zealous, we ourselves will somehow deal with Dostoevsky

                        Yes, who's stopping you! And if you quote, then there is another opinion!
                        Well, they finally confessed, otherwise they all pretended to be "brothers" ..

                        ccsr, I have a bunch of relatives and friends in Russia! Brothers and I are with him! I have never personally fraternized with you! yes
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr 11 December 2019 19: 14
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        I have never personally fraternized with you!

                        It would not be enough - I know too well the history of relations between our countries for a century and a half to believe in what you are trying to convince us of. The fact that you personally have fraternal feelings for some of our citizens does not mean that the Bulgarian government will refuse to spoil our little things. But we really feel this, so your words about friendship, to put it mildly, are not converted into real affairs.
            2. verp19
              verp19 11 December 2019 10: 08
              +1
              Quote: pytar
              Here kolega verp19, not quite accurate. Due to the increasing scale of the partisan movement and the inability of the authorities to cope with it, the Wehrmacht was constantly forced to increase the composition of German troops in Bulgaria.


              They fought against the partisans, not against the USSR.
              I meant that as the German troops fighting against the allies on the territory of Bulgaria, only air defense units providing the southern flank of oil in Ploiesti can be considered.
              1. pytar
                pytar 11 December 2019 13: 25
                -2
                "They fought against the partisans, not against the USSR."
                We got it. good I meant that the Bulgarian partisans engaged the German units in the fight against them. If there were no partisans, German children would be on the Eastern Front.
  24. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 December 2019 20: 04
    0
    Quote: pytar
    It will be more problematic to let the "Turkish stream" into Europe through Greece.

    Greece is a member of the EU and European legislation is also fully applicable to it. The same procedures, the same conditions! In addition, the route will be longer and more expensive. Bulgaria and Turkey have normal relations, for the difference in Greek-Turkish relations! Between Georgia and Turkey, the conflict is growing! Nobody knows what it can lead to!


    They say you can’t enter the same river twice. But Gazprom managed. The leadership of our "national treasure" repeatedly jumped into the "Bulgarian rake", without learning anything from old mistakes. Now the state corporation can fly into fines from Hungary and Serbia, the obligations to which it will not be able to fulfill in case of termination of transit through Ukraine. That's it.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 11 December 2019 00: 38
      +1
      It was necessary to think earlier when the contractor for the construction of a gas pipeline through Bulgaria challenged the results of the competition for the company. It's too late to drink Borjomi right now. We must wait, otherwise the pipes themselves will not be welded even after shouting from the Kremlin.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 11 December 2019 12: 32
      +1
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      But Gazprom managed. The leadership of our "national treasure" repeatedly jumped into the "Bulgarian rake", without learning anything from old mistakes.

      No need to dramatize - the main pipe still goes to Turkey, and not to Bulgaria, so here Gazprom did not make a mistake. And the internal transport network of Bulgaria is not subordinate to us.
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Now the state corporation can fly into fines from Hungary and Serbia, the obligations to which it will not be able to fulfill in case of termination of transit through Ukraine. That's it.

      Gazprom will exact a penalty on the Bulgarian side for disrupting the commissioning of its section of the pipeline, which was supposed to end by the end of this year. So you don’t have to bother much with this, especially taking into account the fact that the partners were warned, and they had to pump gas in advance based on this situation.
  25. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 December 2019 20: 10
    0
    However, Sofia rather curiously set her priorities. The Bulgarians were closely engaged in connecting to the Trans-Balkan gas pipeline, that is, what pumped gas from Russia through Ukraine to Turkey. If Nezalezhnaya still cuts off Gazprom’s deliveries through its territory since the New Year, it will be possible to arrange deliveries in reverse mode already from the Turkish Stream to Bulgaria itself. In other words, Sofia insured herself.

    The rest of the commitments made were worse. Despite the fact that the Bulgarian authorities themselves asked Moscow to participate in this energy project, the organization of construction began to drag out habitually. In early spring, Sofia chose the general contractor, which turned out to be the Arcade consortium. If he had started building 5 kilometers of the pipeline per day, he would have completed it in 3 months, plus a couple more would have been needed for commissioning. At such a pace, the Balkan gas pipeline would be ready.

    Instead, the Bulgarian side spent as much as five months to quench the conflict with the company, which lost the tender, which appealed against its results. It is noteworthy that after almost six months, the losing contractor himself abandoned his claims. Official Sofia seems to have nothing to do with it, Prime Minister Boyko Borisov with honest eyes declares that he simply follows EU rules. But collectively, all this is very similar to the methods by which the construction of Russian gas pipelines is delayed in Europe.
  26. The Sparkle
    The Sparkle 10 December 2019 20: 11
    -1
    Quote: Mac Simka
    Since when did Romanian tervodes become neutral?

    ...

    And then distort or do not want to notice inconvenient facts for you?)))
    It is said above about the Romanian and neutral waters of the Black Sea.
    Maybe you have difficulty understanding the Russian language? And this is not my problem. How to learn the language - continue the conversation.))
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 11 December 2019 00: 39
      +1
      More specifically, please. Which submarines did the BULGARIAN aviation / fleet drown OUT THERE?
      1. The Sparkle
        The Sparkle 11 December 2019 10: 34
        0
        The names of the Soviet boats that died in the Black Sea from the Bulgarian Armed Forces do not change the fact itself - Bulgaria fought against the USSR. I see no reason to continue this conversation.)))
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 11 December 2019 12: 41
          +1
          When lying on verifiable facts calls into question all other arguments. Bulgaria did not fight in WWII with the USSR - a historical fact. The Bulgarian Armed Forces sank 5 Soviet submarines in their own mines / artillery fire / bombs. Here is the list:
          Sch-204, Sch-210, Sch-211, L-24, S-34
          It’s not necessary to lie, and history is inappropriately distorted, despite what you want to prove.
          1. The Sparkle
            The Sparkle 11 December 2019 12: 58
            0
            The main thing for you is that Bulgaria did not officially declare war on the USSR, and on this basis do you deny its participation in the database against us? I didn’t fight, but drowned Soviet submarines - are you friends with logic? Although why do you need it if it’s more convenient for you to live?))
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 11 December 2019 14: 58
              0
              Again you are for yours, but there were no wars as such until 1944, there was an undeclared war of the USSR against Bulgaria, therefore your submarines are in our guards. But in the neutral ones - they did not drown a single one. So the essence of such claims is to pull the rope and bring down with a healthy head on a healthy head.
              1. The Sparkle
                The Sparkle 11 December 2019 15: 14
                0
                You twist and try to deny the obvious - Bulgaria sank our boats without declaring war, and not vice versa. Justifying one's crimes and blaming all sins on Russia is a favorite theme of a "civilized" society.
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 11 December 2019 15: 29
                  0
                  If you do not earn money for trolling and flood, then you need to see a psychiatrist.
                  We drowned .... your submarines .... in our guide. So the actions of the USSR are called piracy in the language of international law. What kind of war, what kind of nonsense do you write here?
  27. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 December 2019 20: 14
    -1
    Quote: pytar
    Dear Karen hi , the topic is extremely wide! I don’t mention the Bulgarians Heroes of the Soviet Union, the scale of the participation of the Bulgarian army in the war against the Wehrmacht, and many other important things!
    Other impossible to explain. They have different goals! Controversy, inspire negativity to all and to all!
    Truth ultimately always wins! Everything will be fine, do not hesitate! good

    Bulgarians are the heroes of the USSR:
    1. Zaimov Vladimir (Assigned May 30, 1972),
    2. Goranov Volkan Semenovich (Awarded on December 31, 1936). Total TWO.
    1. pytar
      pytar 11 December 2019 14: 01
      -1
      Bulgarians are the heroes of the USSR:
      1. Zaimov Vladimir (Assigned May 30, 1972), 2. Goranov Volkan Semenovich (Awarded on December 31, 1936). Total TWO.

      Volkan Semyonovich Goranov / real name Zakhari Zakhariev / - pilot ace, the first foreign citizen Hero of the USSR.
      For participation in the Great Patriotic War, 360 more soldiers and officers of the Bulgarian army receive Soviet orders, 120 thousand troops - with the medal "For the victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945." Three times the Bulgarian National Army was noted in the orders of the Supreme Commander of the USSR Armed Forces with salutes in Moscow! Commander-in-Chief of the SUA, Gen. Vladimir Stoichev took part in the Victory Parade on Red Square! In addition, in 1-1941. Bulgarian anti-fascists (Bulgarian citizens and political emigrants) fought as soldiers of the Red Army and took part in the Soviet partisan movement in the occupied territory of the USSR. Only in the ranks of the Red Army 1945 Bulgarian fought and 223 of them died.
      I see that you either don’t know or pretend you don’t know! I see no reason to spend more time on dialogue with you. hi
  28. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 December 2019 20: 17
    -1
    Quote: verp19
    Quote: Operator
    Keep walking the rake



    Ex ...
    Rake...
    Yes, Bulgaria is stepping on a rake. But Russia? Doesn't she make fatal mistakes all the time?
    Isn’t the relationship between Russia and Bulgaria for the XNUMXth, XNUMXth, and XNUMXst centuries teeming with errors? Is Bulgaria alone to blame?


    Well the "senior" is always to blame laughing Although which side to look at. laughing
    1. verp19
      verp19 11 December 2019 09: 49
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Well, the "senior" is always to blame Although from which side to look.


      Do you have a world map, or what?
      Yes, look at her. Look, what is the territory of Russia and Bulgaria?
      Which state has the potential to pursue an independent policy more?
      Got it?
      Ok, now we’re moving on. Russia / USSR always had their own interests. And quite often Russian interests did not coincide with the Bulgarian ones. And it is not love and fraternity that are the real reasons for Russian state policy towards the Bulgarians. Why and in what conditions did the war begin in 1877-1878? What are the real reasons? This can be judged by the agreements concluded after the war (who and how bargained at the expense of the Bulgarians - do you know?). How are the interests of the Bulgarian people protected?
      Russia pursued its geopolitical interests. According to the result, we can draw conclusions, how successfully.
      And why do you expect gratitude from Bulgaria? The fact that a significant part of the Bulgarian people sympathize with the Russians is explained by the self-sacrifice of an ordinary Russian soldier, and not by the actions of the Russian state. It is built into our national memory. But the actions of your and our leadership are erasing this memory right now.
  29. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 December 2019 20: 22
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    Quote: To be or not to be
    As elsewhere. So in Bulgaria there is power and there is a people under this power ... Since the 90s of the last 20 century, power in Bulgaria is completely under the Americans. Totally !. . They dragged Bulgaria into NATO and the EU. And with Bulgarian frenzy, he fulfills all the instructions of the State Department, even to the detriment of his country and people. IM A place at the trough of power is more expensive than ... the sovereignty of their country. The country itself and its people. According to Bulgarian scientists, the annual benefit then from the South Stream through Bulgaria was 2. 7 billion US dollars per year. But the project was then stopped and naturally . as directed by the USA (as well as the construction of a Belene nuclear power plant). although the pipes for have already been stockpiled in Bulgaria ..
    The people of Bulgaria, as then and now, are divided 50% by 50% in relation to Russia. Some are brothers. Calling the rest "brothers" - the language does not turn. They are directed to work in Europe .... and they are strongly hostile against Russia (yes, there were such things before) ..
    To punish economically a country or people is not a Russian occupation. Liberation and help always went from Europe to Russia .. sometimes to the detriment of Russia itself .. The President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, spoke about such an approach to business and politics at a forum with German businessmen ..
    Leaders and rulers come and go, and countries and peoples. Usually remain .. or dissolve in large ones, losing themselves and their identity ... which is happening now in Bulgaria

    Apparently I came across the wrong Bulgarians laughing
  30. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 December 2019 20: 37
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    There will still be roofing felts - they will trample the berries when they begin to purchase the price tag that is the same with the entire European Union straight from ... I doubt it
    that it will brainwash them ...
  31. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 11 December 2019 03: 36
    +1
    Quote: pytar
    Those. From June 23, 1941, Bulgaria assisted Germany in the war against the USSR.

    It is quite obvious that Bulgaria clearly declared its neutral status to the USSR. By the way, another fact:
    The Berlin-Rome-Tokyo Axis Establishment Agreement, Part 5 reads: "... these agreements do not in any way affect the political situation that exists between each of the pre-negotiating countries and the USSR ..." Bulgaria, having signed an agreement upon compulsion and proceeding from part 5, has retained the norms. diplomatic relations with the USSR. In fact, neither legally nor actually was Germany's ally in the war against the USSR. hi


    In the Black Sea, "neutral" bulgaria transported weapons and troops to Nazi Germany purely for charitable reasons laughing
    1. pytar
      pytar 11 December 2019 12: 09
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      In the Black Sea "neutral" Bulgaria transported weapons and troops to Nazi Germany ...

      Provide specific data for this hardening?
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 11 December 2019 12: 44
        +1
        It can’t, since from June 1941 Bulgaria transferred to Germany all its transports on the Black Sea and they flew under the German flag.
        So it’s written in the manuals, but cannot prove it. And so we live - we will refute fakes a million times a week.
  32. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 11 December 2019 03: 39
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    Quote: To be or not to be
    As elsewhere. So in Bulgaria there is power and there is a people under this power ... Since the 90s of the last 20 century, power in Bulgaria is completely under the Americans. Totally !. . They dragged Bulgaria into NATO and the EU. And with Bulgarian frenzy, he fulfills all the instructions of the State Department, even to the detriment of his country and people. IM A place at the trough of power is more expensive than ... the sovereignty of their country. The country itself and its people. According to Bulgarian scientists, the annual benefit then from the South Stream through Bulgaria was 2. 7 billion US dollars per year. But the project was then stopped and naturally . as directed by the USA (as well as the construction of a Belene nuclear power plant). although the pipes for have already been stockpiled in Bulgaria ..
    The people of Bulgaria, as then and now, are divided 50% by 50% in relation to Russia. Some are brothers. Calling the rest "brothers" - the language does not turn. They are directed to work in Europe .... and they are strongly hostile against Russia (yes, there were such things before) ..
    To punish economically a country or people is not a Russian occupation. Liberation and help always went from Europe to Russia .. sometimes to the detriment of Russia itself .. The President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, spoke about such an approach to business and politics at a forum with German businessmen ..
    Leaders and rulers come and go, and countries and peoples. Usually remain .. or dissolve in large ones, losing themselves and their identity ... which is happening now in Bulgaria
    We have a long memory laughing But the sediment remains.
  33. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 11 December 2019 11: 50
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    Quote: pytar
    Sweden, Switzerland were neutral to all countries. Bulgaria would not be allowed that. Therefore, they chose a lesser evil - to formally declare, as they believed, the war of GB and USA, having thus received an argument before the Germans, so as not to fight against the USSR.
    Sobolev action: Tsar Boris and the government considered this issue quite serially. Just at that time, well-known events in the Baltic states took place. The USSR signed treaties from the Baltic states, and then turned them into Soviet republics. Tsar Boris realized that monarchical Bulgaria would face the same fate if he accepted the proposal of the Soviet Union.

    1. No one interfered with the neutrality of Bulgaria to all countries. Like Turkey, Bulgaria is located away from the direction of military action. In the worst case, they could act like Denmark. Joining the Axis is a conscious step - an alliance with Germany. It was made because the tsar and his entourage thought that Germany had already lost the war. They made a big geostrategic mistake and this was the biggest evil for Bulgaria.
    2. The Baltic states are part of the beating Russian Empire and therefore they were accepted into the USSR. The Soviet leadership did not want Bulgaria in the USSR. After the war, it is proved. By Thrace, they had in mind the annexation of Western Thrace to Bulgaria. The USSR defended this position after the war. It all depended on Turkey whether Turkey would join Germany or not. The most interesting thing is that since Yugoslavia announced the accession to the Axis, the USSR was offered to Bulgaria by Yugoslav Macedonia. So the king and his entourage thought primarily about themselves and about the beloved Coburgs of Germany and not about Bulgaria and made a catastrophic mistake in assessing the balance of power in the world.
    3. The recognition of Macedonia as a union republic with the right to secession, is the first place the Serbs retreat. Before the war, in the kingdom of Yugoslavia, South Serbia was beating there. Now there is an independent state.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 11 December 2019 12: 47
      +1
      When the Wehrmacht sits on the Danube and you have 100 strengths in total, you won’t think much without aviation and heavy weapons. And the example of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia was eared by the eyes. By all actions, Bulgaria in WWII tried to avoid the need to send troops to a meat grinder.
    2. pytar
      pytar 11 December 2019 12: 57
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      1. No one interfered with the neutrality of Bulgaria to all countries.

      In October 1940, Tsar Boris refused Ribentrop to join the Axis, as Musolini would join the war against Greece at the suggestion. In November, Hitler sent a second invitation to Bulgaria, but Boris manages to reject it. By March 41, 600 thousand. the Wehrmacht grouping hangs over the Danube, and from the south Turkey moves a half-million army to the Bulgarian border. The Bulgarian army at that time was 100 thousand. poorly armed and untrained soldiers. In warehouses there are shells as far as exercises. Bulgaria faces the inevitable - either to be occupied by Germany and Turkey, or join the Axis. At that time, almost all of Europe was under occupation or in an alliance with Germany.
      It was made because the tsar and his entourage thought that Germany had already lost the war.

      In March, Bulgaria receives an ultimatum from Berlin - a decision must be made within 3 days! Tsar Boris declares to his advisers: "I am ready to abdicate the throne if I could save the country in this way! But there is no choice! This is the darkest day in my life!"
      . The Soviet leadership did not want Bulgaria in the USSR. After the war, it is proved.

      In 1940, everything looked different. An example from the Baltic states guarded the Tsar!
      By Thrace, they had in mind the annexation of Western Thrace to Bulgaria.

      Western Thrace has been part of Bulgaria since 1885. This is the Plovdiv region. Eastern Thrace is in Turkey. It could be annexed only if Turkey became an enemy for the USSR. White Sea "Aegean Thrace / since 1918 was within the borders of Greece. It was possible to transfer it to Bulgaria only if the USSR / separately or together with Germany and Italy / began to fight against Great Britain, whose ally was Greece. Bulgaria did not want to participate in these mess!
      The most interesting thing is that since Yugoslavia announced the accession to the Axis, the USSR was offered to Bulgaria by Yugoslav Macedonia.

      I personally did not know! Provide links? I want to clarify: In East Thrace / Turkey / since 1913, almost no Bulgarian population has remained. In White Sea Thrace / Greece / was still there. But in Macedonia / Greek and Yugoslav / lived 1/4 of the entire Bulgarian people. The main interest of Bulgaria was not self-expansion, but the liberation and accession of those territories where the Bulgarian population still lived in the 40s.
      Recognition of Macedonia as an Allied Rep. with the right to secession, this is in the first place the retreat of the Serbs. Before the war, in the kingdom of Yugoslavia, South Serbia was beating there. Now there is an independent state.

      Creation of the SFR of Macedonia, etc. "Macedonian nation", happened after 46 AD The goal was to remove the Macedonian Bulgarians from the whole Bulgarian people. Since the policy of Serbization did not give noticeable success, the Yugoslavia decided that from the Macedonian Bulgarians not how to make "rule srbi", but it was possible to make them "non-Bulgarians", "descendants" of the mythical ancient Macedonians. My grandfather is from that Macedonia. I myself am a Macedonian Bulgarian. I often go there, meet my relatives. After the 90s, when the SFRY began to disintegrate, Serbia had no time for Macedonia. She lacked the strength, scattered in all directions. Moreover, there were strong pro-Serb sentiments in Macedonia at that time.
  34. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 11 December 2019 14: 46
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    Quote: pytar
    Bulgarians are the heroes of the USSR:
    1. Zaimov Vladimir (Assigned May 30, 1972), 2. Goranov Volkan Semenovich (Awarded on December 31, 1936). Total TWO.

    Volkan Semyonovich Goranov / real name Zakhari Zakhariev / - pilot ace, the first foreign citizen Hero of the USSR.
    For participation in the Great Patriotic War, 360 more soldiers and officers of the Bulgarian army receive Soviet orders, 120 thousand troops - with the medal "For the victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945." Three times the Bulgarian National Army was noted in the orders of the Supreme Commander of the USSR Armed Forces with salutes in Moscow! Commander-in-Chief of the SUA, Gen. Vladimir Stoichev took part in the Victory Parade on Red Square! In addition, in 1-1941. Bulgarian anti-fascists (Bulgarian citizens and political emigrants) fought as soldiers of the Red Army and took part in the Soviet partisan movement in the occupied territory of the USSR. Only in the ranks of the Red Army 1945 Bulgarian fought and 223 of them died.
    I see that you either don’t know or pretend you don’t know! I see no reason to spend more time on dialogue with you. hi

    Some of them participated in the September anti-fascist uprising of 1923 and were sentenced to death in their homeland, Bulgaria, so they emigrated to the USSR, others joined the company that the USSR conducted to return white emigrants to their homeland and were listed as white emigrants (70 people), some of them were children of Bulgarian revolutionaries who died in Bulgaria during the massacre of the rebels. Most of them went to the front as volunteers. During the search and research work, 128 names of Bulgarian internationalists were identified who contributed to the Great Patriotic War. Bulgarian youth, including the foreman of the Red Army Asen Draganov, also fought on the approaches to Moscow in the special forces brigade. His real name was Konstantin Boris Stefanov. He was enrolled in the special forces in the early days of the war. Asen showed himself to be a fearless and brave warrior, he was only 18 years old, and he was already wounded and awarded the Order of the Crane Star for his heroism. Ilya Zhivkov, a cadet of the military school, made a great contribution. In the first military winter of 1941, the death of the brave political leader of the battalion, lieutenant Kamen Tsanev and senior sergeant Slavi Timarev, fell on the walls of Moscow. In October 1941. near Moscow, Georgi Atanasov Yanchev died, Todor Ivanov and Carlo Pisanti, who fell on the southern front, fought in the ranks of the Panfilov’s fighters. Among the first who gave his life defending Soviet soil was Georgi Karadzhov, he died in July 1941. near Vyazma. Ognian Naidov Zhelyazov, Georges Pashov took part in the battle for Moscow. Georgi Yanchev, Todor Ivanov, Carlo Pisanti, Iliya Zhivkov, Iliya Stoychev, Yanko Maslinkov, Ivan Popstefanov, Georgi Slavchev, Zhivko Krychmarsky took part in the defense of Leningrad.

    In the Battle of Stalingrad, the Bulgarians participated - Lieutenant Colonel Ivan Stoyanov. Shortly before his death in Aksai, he wrote in one of the letters: "We need to defeat ourselves in the name of our common victory." Lieutenant Blagoy Kasabov will forever remain in the memory of his comrades. When danger loomed over Stalingrad, he was a tenth grader and decided to volunteer for the front. A few months later, a letter came from him to the orphanage in Ivanovo: “I am happy that I was able to live to the Nazi circle. If I don’t return from the battle, know that the Soviet officer Blagoy Kasabov fought in the same way as a Bulgarian should. ” At this time he was 18 years old. On the banks of the Volga, Senior Sergeant Boyan Banks also died. In the great battle of Stalingrad, the Bulgarians died captain Dimitar Stoychev, foreman Ilic Ilicov, who, having gathered his last strength, managed to get to his own, Major Dimitar Butanski. As you can see, we know by name. hi
  35. About 2
    About 2 11 December 2019 15: 47
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    Vova with Bulgaria again stepped on the same rake and now threatens. Good leader!
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    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 11 December 2019 21: 05
      +1
      I look at you the anus is already dug up, a needle in your hands and a drum on your neck - let's sew your mouth right now.
      1. Guazdilla
        Guazdilla 12 December 2019 08: 35
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        Bad news. Behind me everything is in wool, "grope" does not work. But there is also a good one. If you don’t pull anything out of your nostrils for a week, then together we can weave a pigtail.
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 12 December 2019 09: 13
          +1
          Do not pull yourself behind.
          1. Guazdilla
            Guazdilla 12 December 2019 12: 16
            0
            Nobody pulls you to other people's sites by nostrils to teach. Grow wool there, weave braids, knit bows.
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 12 December 2019 13: 13
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              What the hell are you saying? Do you really want to be rude?
              1. Guazdilla
                Guazdilla 12 December 2019 15: 39
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                Yes, no, I don’t want to be rude.
                Is this for this? .......
                So are we Soviet submarines dragging themselves to their nostrils? Why then show?
                We drowned ourselves, in neutrals - did not drown. Calm down and watch your programs further.

                Print on.
                I found the site by myself, in which the abominations are not overwritten, because they are written by the Visers Liberasovich Toleirasovs.
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  37. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 13: 47
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    Quote: verp19
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Well, the "senior" is always to blame Although from which side to look.


    Do you have a world map, or what?
    Yes, look at her. Look, what is the territory of Russia and Bulgaria?
    Which state has the potential to pursue an independent policy more?
    Got it?
    Ok, now we’re moving on. Russia / USSR always had their own interests. And quite often Russian interests did not coincide with the Bulgarian ones. And it is not love and fraternity that are the real reasons for Russian state policy towards the Bulgarians. Why and in what conditions did the war begin in 1877-1878? What are the real reasons? This can be judged by the agreements concluded after the war (who and how bargained at the expense of the Bulgarians - do you know?). How are the interests of the Bulgarian people protected?
    Russia pursued its geopolitical interests. According to the result, we can draw conclusions, how successfully.
    And why do you expect gratitude from Bulgaria? The fact that a significant part of the Bulgarian people sympathize with the Russians is explained by the self-sacrifice of an ordinary Russian soldier, and not by the actions of the Russian state. It is built into our national memory. But the actions of your and our leadership are erasing this memory right now.

    They traded in the interests of the Bulgarians, and we did not know until the 19th century that there are "Bulgarians" laughing In 1867, for the first time in Russian history, an ethnographic exhibition was held in Moscow. Then, in the Moscow Manege on April 23, the peoples of Russia appeared in front of the amazed audience in all of their, as they used to say, “original form”. The exhibition program was approved by Emperor Alexander II in accordance with the report of the Minister of Education. After the exhibition closed, its exhibits became part of the Moscow Public Rumyantsev Museum under the name “Dashkov Ethnographic Museum”. After the revolution, the funds of this museum were transferred to the Museum of the Peoples of the USSR in Moscow, and since 1948 they have been stored in the Russian Ethnographic Museum of St. Petersburg. Russia will somehow do without Bulgaria.
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  38. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 14: 20
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    Quote: Kostadinov
    Quote: pytar
    Sweden, Switzerland were neutral to all countries. Bulgaria would not be allowed that. Therefore, they chose a lesser evil - to formally declare, as they believed, the war of GB and USA, having thus received an argument before the Germans, so as not to fight against the USSR.
    Sobolev action: Tsar Boris and the government considered this issue quite serially. Just at that time, well-known events in the Baltic states took place. The USSR signed treaties from the Baltic states, and then turned them into Soviet republics. Tsar Boris realized that monarchical Bulgaria would face the same fate if he accepted the proposal of the Soviet Union.

    1. No one interfered with the neutrality of Bulgaria to all countries. Like Turkey, Bulgaria is located away from the direction of military action. In the worst case, they could act like Denmark. Joining the Axis is a conscious step - an alliance with Germany. It was made because the tsar and his entourage thought that Germany had already lost the war. They made a big geostrategic mistake and this was the biggest evil for Bulgaria.
    2. The Baltic states are part of the beating Russian Empire and therefore they were accepted into the USSR. The Soviet leadership did not want Bulgaria in the USSR. After the war, it is proved. By Thrace, they had in mind the annexation of Western Thrace to Bulgaria. The USSR defended this position after the war. It all depended on Turkey whether Turkey would join Germany or not. The most interesting thing is that since Yugoslavia announced the accession to the Axis, the USSR was offered to Bulgaria by Yugoslav Macedonia. So the king and his entourage thought primarily about themselves and about the beloved Coburgs of Germany and not about Bulgaria and made a catastrophic mistake in assessing the balance of power in the world.
    3. The recognition of Macedonia as a union republic with the right to secession, is the first place the Serbs retreat. Before the war, in the kingdom of Yugoslavia, South Serbia was beating there. Now there is an independent state.

    Yes announce laughing allies of GB and USA, the war and not to bring the war from the USSR was the height of "prudence" laughing Tsar Boris resisted to the last, otherwise they ended up in a snowdrift near Volokolamsk, apparently the Bulgarian politicians gave "convincing arguments" laughing
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  39. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 14: 30
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    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: To be or not to be
    To punish economically a country or people is not a Russian occupation.

    what is the "punishment"?
    Russia should do only what is beneficial to it.

    If someone, along the way, is "punished", it is not her business.

    There is no need, God forbid, someone to "liberate" and even more to supply from some kind of "brotherly" motives. laughing
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 December 2019 18: 27
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      Are you not talking about Transdanubia for an hour?
  40. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 14: 46
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    The anti-Hitler coalition included:

    Poland,

    The British Empire (and its dominions: Canada, India, Union of South Africa, Australia, New Zealand),

    France - entered the war in September 1939;

    Ethiopia - Ethiopian troops, under the command of the Ethiopian government in exile, continued guerrilla warfare after the annexation of the state in 1936, officially recognized as an ally on July 12, 1940;

    Denmark, Norway - from April 9, 1940;

    Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg - from May 10, 1940;

    Greece - October 28, 1940;

    Yugoslavia - April 6, 1941;

    USSR, Tuva, Mongolia - June 22, 1941;

    USA, Philippines - since December 1941;

    China - has been fighting against Japan since July 7, 1937, officially recognized as an ally on December 9, 1941;

    Mexico - May 22, 1942;

    Brazil - August 22, 1942.

    Axis countries were also formally opposed - Panama, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Nepal, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Colombia, Iran, Albania, Paraguay, Ecuador, San Marino, Turkey, Uruguay, Venezuela, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Liberia, Bolivia
  41. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 14: 49
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    During the war, some states that emerged from the Nazi bloc joined the coalition:

    Iraq - January 17, 1943;

    Kingdom of Italy - October 13, 1943;

    Romania - August 23, 1944;

    Bulgaria - September 5, 1944;

    Finland - September 19, 1944.



    On the other hand, in the war, the countries of the Nazi bloc, the OSI countries participated:

    Germany, Slovakia - September 1, 1939;

    Italy, Albania - June 10, 1940;

    Hungary - April 11, 1941;

    Iraq - May 1, 1941;

    Romania, Croatia, Finland - June 1941;

    Japan, Manzhou-Guo - December 7, 1941;

    Bulgaria - December 13, 1941;

    Thailand - January 25, 1942.

    Also, not part of the Nazi bloc, Iran (until 1941).

    Puppet states were created on the territory of the occupied countries, which were not, in meaning, participants in the Second World War but joined the fascist coalition:

    Vichy France

    Greek state

    Italian Social Republic

    Hungarian state

    Serbia,

    Montenegro,

    Macedonia,

    Menjiang

    Burma,

    Philippines,

    Vietnam,

    Cambodia,

    Laos,

    Azad Hind

    Wang Jingwei regime.

    On the side of Germany and Japan, many collaborationist forces created from the citizens of the opposing side also fought:
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 December 2019 17: 07
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      Is it possible to simplify you - the government of Macedonia where it was and who was in it. I'm a little embarrassed - Macedonia like Bulgaria was redistributed along the line agreed between Bulgaria and Serbia in 1911.
  42. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 15: 02
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    Quote: Mac Simka
    It can’t, since from June 1941 Bulgaria transferred to Germany all its transports on the Black Sea and they flew under the German flag.
    So it’s written in the manuals, but cannot prove it. And so we live - we will refute fakes a million times a week.

    / Did the German port guards also lend to the "manuals" in the uniform of the Bulgarian Armed Forces of that time? Find it in the documents.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 December 2019 17: 10
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      Not a German guard - Bulgaria itself guarded its ports. But the transport had to give. Then the Soviet troops came and had to give everything that is. Wherever you throw, you still have to give your good.
      But we don’t have any documents - the Soviet army took them and right now they are in Moscow.
  43. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 15: 10
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    The outbreak of the war against the USSR by the Axis countries was a decisive event for Bulgaria as well. The refusal of the Bulgarian government to break off diplomatic relations with Stalin after the announcement by the Third Reich of a crusade against Bolshevism laid the foundation for the growing disagreements between Bulgaria and Germany every year. Only the Bulgarian Nazis took a pro-German position, insisting on breaking off relations with the USSR and trying to explain to the public through their press and meetings the difference between the Bolshevik regime and Russia, which should have been liberated. At the same time, Alexander Tsankov and other leaders of the People's Socialists supported the decision of Tsar Boris in no case to send Bulgarian troops to the Eastern Front, and General Hristo Lukov and the leadership of the legionnaires and smaller Nazi organizations allowed Bulgaria to participate in the "liberation of Russian brothers from the Bolsheviks in the same way, how they freed us from the Turks. " However, the historical sympathy of the Bulgarians for the great Russian people, unfortunately, was mistakenly transferred by too many to the Bolsheviks, and the prestige of the Nazis among the people after such statements began to noticeably decline.
    But the influence of the communists, who announced in 1941 the beginning of armed resistance to the "monarchist-fascist regime", increased proportionally.
    However, while the victory on the Eastern Front was on the side of the Axis countries, the situation in Bulgaria remained stable. Since January 1942, seven Bulgarian divisions have successfully operated together with German-Italian troops against the communist partisans in Serbia and Greece. In Bulgaria itself, the communist underground at first did not dare to carry out large-scale actions, and the police, in turn, managed to deliver sensitive blows to the communists. Under these conditions, the activities of Nazi organizations that criticized the government for insufficient cooperation with the Third Reich, predicted a quick escalation of communist resistance and called for the establishment of a national dictatorship in the country, began to irritate Tsar Boris and Prime Minister Filov, who believed that "everything is calm in Bulgaria." ... Not daring to openly oppose the Nazis, the government sought to hinder their activities with administrative prohibitive actions of local importance. Nazi premises were confiscated "for violation of rental obligations", mass events were not allowed "for security reasons", supporters of right-wing radicals were arrested on trumped-up criminal charges or were dismissed "as unreliable" from public service. So the leader of the legionnaires, General Lukov, was forced to go to the reserve.
    The situation radically changed by the end of 1942. The beginning of the tragic phase of the Battle of Stalingrad for the Wehrmacht and its allies catalyzed the subversive and terrorist activities of the Bulgarian communists and forced a number of political forces in the country, mainly liberals and the big bourgeois Asia, to seriously think about the correct choice of the side in world war. At the same time, the Third Reich, which began to weaken in the struggle, began to show an interest in closer cooperation with Bulgaria in the military and economic fields, which Tsar Boris did not want to ensure. Under the influence of this, the views of the German leadership again turned to the Bulgarian Nazis, with preference given to the energetic and tough General Hristo Lukov, who was ready to restore order in the country with an iron fist and send twenty fresh Bulgarian divisions to the Eastern Front. "The only person capable of rectifying the situation in Bulgaria is General Lukov," said German Foreign Minister Ribbentrop in a report to the Fuehrer on February 8, 1943. However, four days later, the general was treacherously shot on the threshold of his own house in front of his wife and daughters as communists, this time acting on a secret tip from the entourage of Tsar Boris.
    The death of the unyielding leader of the legionnaires caused irreparable damage to the Nazi movement in Bulgaria, depriving him of his only charismatic figure in the eyes of all its participants, and Hitler. Professor Alexander Tsankov was too moderate and connected with the tsarist government politician to satisfy the young radicals, and Aviation General Hristo Yunachev, who took the place of Lukov at the head of the Union of National Legions of Bulgaria, was undoubtedly an excellent pilot and a patriot devoted to the idea of ​​Nazism, was not a politician at all. 1943 was a "half-life" year for the National Socialist movement in Bulgaria. The ranks of the people's socialists and legionnaires thinned out both at the expense of people disillusioned with the movement, and at the expense of the bloody terror of the communists, who felt more and more confident in Bulgaria every day. A new disaster in the movement was factionalization, which did not bypass not only the NSDB and the Union of Legions, but also such comparatively small organizations as Kubrat, Defense of the Motherland, Blogar fascists and others. Many of them simply ceased to exist as a result.
    Meanwhile, the external and internal position of Bulgaria was catastrophically complicated. The Communists managed to launch a large-scale terrorist and guerrilla war in the country, which claimed many lives every day. Great Britain and the USA declared war on Bulgaria, after which the American aviation subjected the largest cities of Bulgaria to destructive bombing. The Third Reich continued to insist on breaking off relations with the USSR and sending Bulgarian troops to the Eastern Front. The country was in the grip of a political crisis.
    While the army and police were desperate to resist the onslaught of the communist partisans, and pilots of the small air forces of Bulgaria fought selflessly against the US air armada in the Bulgarian sky, Tsar Boris chose the path of national treason. In the summer of 1943, he tried to enter into separate peace negotiations with the Anglo-American leadership, using his dynastic ties with the British court. However, a group of desperate legionnaires managed under dramatic circumstances to obtain copies of the secret letter of Tsar Boris to King George V and transfer them into the hands of the German special services. As a result of the risky action of the Bulgarian Nazis, surrender plans were foiled. On August 14, King Bo-Rice was urgently summoned to Hitler’s headquarters, where the Fuhrer openly exposed his betrayal, after which the monarch of Bulgaria suddenly died.
    The power in the country passed to the Regency Council under the juvenile successor to the throne, headed by Prime Minister Filov. The leadership of the Third Reich, no doubt, would not refuse to see any of the leaders of the Bulgarian Nazis in its composition, however, the influence of the latter in the country at that time was so reduced that the post of regent was not able to get even Alexander Tsankov, the most ambitious personality of the right-wing camp of Bulgaria. Nevertheless, the fleeting period of the regency witnessed some revival of the National Socialist movement in Bulgaria. At the end of 1943, several hundred Bulgarian volunteers finally appeared in the SS troops on the Eastern Front.
    In the face of catastrophe, the Bulgarian National Socialists made a last desperate attempt to join forces in the struggle for the freedom of their country. At a meeting of right-wing organizations held on December 16, 1943 in Sofia, in which representatives of legionnaires, the Union of Reserve Soldiers, Defense of the Motherland and the Father Paisiy union took part, it was decided to transform all territorial cells into paramilitary formations and put them at the disposal of the military and police authorities of the country. Unfortunately, supporters of Alexander Tsankov did not approve of this proposal, appealing to the "political" nature of the NSDB. However, the military command and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the country gratefully accepted the proposal of the Nazis, and their armed units were subsequently repeatedly involved in military operations against the communists. But it was already too late ...
    The subsequent joining of Romania to the anti-Hitler coalition on August 24, 1944 put Bulgaria under the threat of an invasion by the Red Army, which launched an offensive on the Balkan Peninsula. Frightened by such a prospect, the regency embarked on the path of national treason, previously chosen by Tsar Boris. On August 26, it decided to form an "anti-fascist government" in Bulgaria and soon began negotiations on surrender with Great Britain and the United States, as well as with the communist partisans. Wanting to curry favor with their new masters, on September 4, the regential government declared war on Germany. However, the Bulgarian communists felt the approach of their time and began to seize one by one the most important settlements and strategic objects of the country, ruthlessly cracking down on everyone "who is against Stalin." On the night of 7-8, units of the Red Army entered Bulgaria, and the communist partisan detachments occupied Sofia, arrested the regency "anti-fascist" government and began mass arrests and murders of their opponents.
    All the Nazi parties and organizations of Bulgaria were outlawed by the regency as early as the end of August, but in the conditions that swept the country on the eve of the entry of Soviet anarchy, they still continued to operate. In the first ten days of September, the armed groups of the Nazis and the militarist and gendarme units which turned to their side put up stubborn resistance to the communists, clearing them of Plovdiv, Varna, Veliko Tarnovo and a number of other regions of the country.
  44. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 15: 20
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    The most reliable of them turned out to be the Bulgarian Nazis. The government finally stopped the persecution of the Nazis and even released part of the arrested comrades from prison. The commanders of the military and police units began to form separate units from the fighters - National Socialists, who had best established themselves in battles with partisans. Many Nazis also joined the composition of the national gendarmerie created in early 1944 specifically for the struggle against the Communists. At the end of 1943, several hundred Bulgarian volunteers finally appeared in the SS troops on the Eastern Front.
    ...


    In December 1944, the formation of the Bulgarian SS brigade also began on the territory of Austria. By the end of the war, only one incomplete anti-tank regiment was created, which included about 600 former Bulgarian military personnel, mainly members of various Nazi organizations, and up to 150 Bulgarian students, members of the Brannik youth union who studied in the Third Reich. Under the command of the former Minister of Labor of Bulgaria from the People's Socialist Party, Colonel Ivan Rogozarov, the Bulgarian SS Legion was included in the combat schedule of the 2nd SS Panzer Corps in the last days of the war. Despite several heroic episodes, the Bulgarian SS men were no longer able to change the catastrophic turn of events for the Reich and, having lost about half of their personnel and their commander in battles, surrendered to American troops in southern Bohemia on 10 May.
    After the September communist coup in Bulgaria, the Bulgarian pilots and sailors trained in the Third Reich were initially included in several German air divisions and submarine crews, in which they participated in the battles in 1944-45. and many died. At the end of April 1945, a Bulgarian fighter squadron (jagdstaffel) was created, which only had time in its history to fly after the surrender of Germany to neutral Switzerland. Of all the Bulgarian formations of the Third Reich, the sabotage detachments of the Abwehr group "Bulgaria", staffed mainly by former Bulgarian Nazi officers, participated most actively in the hostilities. began to carry out unprecedented insolence and often suicidal actions on the territory of their country.
  45. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 12 December 2019 15: 25
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    Quote: pytar
    By March 41, 600 thousand. the Wehrmacht grouping hangs over the Danube, and from the south Turkey moves a half-million army to the Bulgarian border. The Bulgarian army at that time was 100 thousand. poorly armed and untrained soldiers. In warehouses there are shells as far as exercises. Bulgaria faces the inevitable - either to be occupied by Germany and Turkey, or join the Axis.

    By March 1, 1941, Yugoslavia was preparing to enter the Axis and the German army on the Danube was preparing to go through Yugoslavia. In no way did Germany threaten Bulgaria and prepare for war and occupation. Since Yugoslavia will be an ally of Germany, no one then promised us anything about Macedonia. The rest of the tales are written later.
    Moreover, Turkey did not threaten Bulgaria then. Bulgaria’s neutrality beat the best for Turkey and its wise leaders. The occupation of Bulgaria together with Germany for Turkey meant intervention in the war. Turkey did not occupy the Greek island off its coast at that time, and here you are telling tales about an attack on neutral Bulgaria.
    The accession of Bulgaria to the Axis is a voluntary vybor king and his entourage. They worked poorly and loved Germany more than their homeland.
    Western Thrace has been part of Bulgaria since 1885. This is the Plovdiv region. Eastern Thrace is in Turkey. It could be annexed only if Turkey became an enemy for the USSR. The White Sea "Aegean Thrace / since 1918 was within the borders of Greece. It was possible to transfer it to Bulgaria only if the USSR / separately or together with Germany and Italy / began to fight against Great Britain, whose ally was Greece.

    Western and White Sea Thrace is the same thing (see Wikipedia if there is no other).
    She could have been transferred to Bulgaria without the war of the USSR against Great Britain, as was the case with South Dobrudja. The statute of this region was beaten by an individual, and if Bulgaria was not beaten by an ally of Germany, she had every chance of receiving and preserving it.
    I personally did not know! Provide links?

    About the transfer of Macedonia to the collection of documents "Balgaro-svetskite relations 1939-1944".
    I want to clarify: In East Thrace / Turkey / since 1913, almost no Bulgarian population has remained. In White Sea Thrace / Greece / was still there. But in Macedonia / Greek and Yugoslav / lived 1/4 of the entire Bulgarian people. The main interest of Bulgaria was not self-expansion, but the liberation and accession of those territories where the Bulgarian population still lived in the 40s.

    In the White Sea Thrace, too, the Bulgarian population did not beat - they were exchanged for the Black Sea Greeks (Moll-Kafandaris).
    But the most important thing is your thesis - if someone did not signal the Bulgarians and did not assimilate, if he abides by their minority of law, only then we will have territorial claims to them. The best excuse for ethnic cleansing and assimilation for our neighbors is hard to find.
    Creation of the SFR of Macedonia, etc. "Macedonian nation", happened after 46 AD The goal was to remove the Macedonian Bulgarians from the whole Bulgarian people. Since the policy of Serbization did not give noticeable success, the Yugoslavia decided that from the Macedonian Bulgarians not how to make "rule srbi", but it was possible to make them "non-Bulgarians", "descendants" of the mythical ancient Macedonians. My grandfather is from that Macedonia. I myself am a Macedonian Bulgarian. I often go there, meet my relatives. After the 90s, when the SFRY began to disintegrate, Serbia had no time for Macedonia. She lacked the strength, scattered in all directions. Moreover, there were strong pro-Serb sentiments in Macedonia at that time.

    The formation of the Macedonian nation took place from the end of the 19th century and ended by 1943 and the main fault for this is in the West and in the Coburggot dynasty and its local lackeys. You may not know, but we had border clashes with Italians in Macedonia 1942-43. And when Bulgaria went to sever from Germany in September 1944 - the Germans wanted to declare the "independence" of Macedonia. The Serbization of the Macedonians to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was very successful and if the SFR of Macedonia did not beat it, only the southern Serbs are now left there. In Macedonia, pro-Serb sentiments are very strong even now, and in 1945 it was incomparably worse. So the creation of the SFR Macedonia was then hitting a blow primarily at Serbian nationalism. Despite the fact that Serbia beat among the winners, and Bulgaria was an ally of the Reich.
    1. pytar
      pytar 16 December 2019 11: 32
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      By March 1, 1941, Yugoslavia was preparing to join the Axis and the German army on the Danube is preparing to pass through Yugoslavia ... "" "" "..... They worked poorly and loved more Germany than their homeland.

      Let's look at the facts! Germany in fact put the ultimatum to Bulgaria! Boris dodged twice. Filov and the pro-German elite, yes ... they lobbied for Germany. At that time, the USSR also wanted to get buzzes in BG, he was not an ally with the British! Geographically, it is easier to go through Bulgaria to the Metaksta fortification. Turkey moved an army of half a million to the Bulgarian borders. To attack or not to attack, the question! It might well decide to "defend the local Mohamedan population" ... Turkey did not occupy the Greek islands, since it would have ended up in a war with the not yet finished Great Britain. Throughout WWII, Ankara prudently watched in which direction success would lean. Bulgaria had no choice.
      Western and White Sea Thrace is the same .... It could have been transferred to Bulgaria even without the war of the USSR against Great Britain, as was the case with South Dobrudja. The statute of this region was beaten by an individual, and if Bulgaria was not beaten by an ally of Germany, she had every chance of receiving and preserving it.

      I am aware, I myself once taught geography. The essence of my note was that geographically, "western" Thrace is located south of central Thrace / Bulgarian /. They call it "Western", most likely for political reasons, without departing from geography. The assumption that Bulgaria could get this region is very controversial ... Southern Dobrudzha Bulgaria received thanks from Germany and the USSR, and here it is necessary to ask Great Britain too ...
      In the White Sea Thrace, too, the Bulgarian population did not beat - they were exchanged for the Black Sea Greeks (Moll-Kafandaris).

      It was and still is. And the Greeks on our southern Black Sea coast are. I am personally familiar with such. Not all of the population has been exchanged. Someone stayed.
      In the White Sea Thrace, too, the Bulgarian population did not beat - they were exchanged for the Black Sea Greeks (Moll-Kafandaris).
      But the most important thing is your thesis - if someone did not signal the Bulgarians and did not assimilate, if he abides by their minority of law, only then we will have territorial claims to them. The best excuse for ethnic cleansing and assimilation for our neighbors is hard to find.

      A third of the Bulgarian political, intellectual elite was from Macedonia. In the meantime, there lived the most obsolete part of the Bulgarian people outside the Bg-borders. I can’t imagine how we can claim to territories in which the Bulgarian population is almost gone, turning their backs on territories where they are most! It is logical - first you need to solve the problem with Macedonia, and then if you succeed with other territories. The neighbors carried out ethnic cleansing and assimilation of vede. But by the 40s, most Bulgarians remained in Macedonia. It was necessary to save them at first!
      The formation of the Macedonian nation took place from the end of the 19th century and ended by 1943 and the main wine for this was the West and the Coburggot Dynasty and its local lackeys.

      It is not true! The emergence of small groups "Macedonists" and their influence until 46 was insignificant. During WWII, of all Yugoslavia, the least partisans were in Macedonia. Also, the Macedonian Bulgarians and ours also understood that great forces would not allow Bulgaria to annex Macedonia. Then the idea was put forward to create a separate Macedonian state, and later, given a favorable situation, it would be united with Bulgaria as in 1885.
      You may not know, but we had border clashes with Italians in Macedonia 1942-43. And when Bulgaria went to sever from Germany in September 1944 - the Germans wanted to declare the "independence" of Macedonia.

      I know about the first, I heard about the second here on the forum. Well, there is nothing surprising in the actions of the Germans. They did not have time to create "independent" Macedonia, but Stalin and Tito did.
      Serbization of the Macedonians into the kingdom of Yugoslavia was very successful, and if Macedonia did not beat the SFR, only the southern Serbs are now left there.

      Serbization not of Macedonians, but of Macedonian Bulgarians! And although Serbization was not so successful, yes ... now there would be "southern Serbs" there.
      In Macedonia, and now very strong pro-Serbian sentiment, and in 1945, it beat incomparably worse. So the creation of the SFR Macedonia then was a blow primarily to Serbian nationalism. While Serbia beat among the winners, and Bulgaria is an ally of the Reich.

      Our brothers "Macedonians" will be cured. The disease is severe, they were zombified for a long time, it takes time to heal. By the way, I agree with your thesis that the creation of the SFRM was a blow to Great Serb nationalism. But the price paid to us is high! My grandfather is from Bitol. He has 3 brothers there, 3 more moved to Bulgaria. We did not have any contacts while the NRB and the SFRY existed. After the 90s, we often meet with relatives there.
  46. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 18: 19
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    Not a German guard - Bulgaria itself guarded its ports. But the transport had to give. Then the Soviet troops came and had to give everything that is. Wherever you throw, you still have to give your good.
    But we don’t have any documents - the Soviet army took them and right now they are in Moscow.

    In Samara, there was a monument to Alexander 2 after the revolution, he was gone, there was a figure representing Bulgaria, now she will NOT be there when the monument is restored laughing
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 December 2019 20: 09
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      Well, no and no. Replacing the monuments you have with alarming regularity. I’ll wait for a while to see how Alexander 2 becomes Bulgaria. Then the joke will work out.
  47. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 18: 24
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    Quote: Mac Simka
    Yes, you didn’t know much. And you will manage without us and we will somehow break through without you.

    Wait and see laughing laughing
  48. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 19: 15
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    Quote: Mac Simka
    Are you not talking about Transdanubia for an hour?
    What for she gave up laughing Dreaming is not bad laughing Dream.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 December 2019 20: 10
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      So your dreams.
  49. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 December 2019 19: 26
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    A girl with low social responsibility has matured, frayed and already agree for $ 20 and not $ 200 as before laughing laughing lol
  50. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 December 2019 03: 00
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    Quote: Mac Simka
    So your dreams.

    laughing lol wassat love