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In Kiev, they decided to create a “municipal guard” in the territory of Donbass

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In Kiev, they decided to create a “municipal guard” in the territory of Donbass

On the territory of the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass, it is necessary to create a "municipal guard", which will include both representatives of Ukraine and the republics. With such a proposal, the President of Russia Vladimir Putin intends to appeal to Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky. This was reported by Ukrainian media.


Vladimir Zelensky intends to propose to Vladimir Putin at the meeting of the "Norman Four" in Paris the creation of a "municipal guard" that will serve in the territory of the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass. According to this proposal, the Ukrainian National Guard, the representatives of the OSCE, as well as representatives of the republics, but with one condition, should be included in the "guard" in equal proportions. In Kiev, they will demand that only those who “did not participate in the hostilities, do not shoot, or kill” enter the “municipal guard”.

According to Ukrainian media, according to Zelensky, "this is one of his team’s ideas."

Zelensky also promised that "it would be better to leave the summit with nothing than to make concessions to Vladimir Putin."

Recall, the summit in the "Norman format" is scheduled in Paris on December 9. During the summit, Zelensky’s first meeting with Putin may take place, although the Kremlin has not officially confirmed this.
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  1. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 6 December 2019 10: 00
    +25
    In Kiev, they decided to create a “municipal guard” in the territory of Donbass

    Oh how .... And you go there first, and then think about it.
    And where does the negotiations with the Darkest?
    Kiev needs to resolve the issue with the Republics, and not engage in verbal masturbation on the topic of future ideas ....
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 6 December 2019 10: 03
      +12
      according to Zelensky, "this is one of his team's ideas."

      Timur is not the one today, but I will not say anything about his team smile
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 6 December 2019 10: 07
        +4
        So young, green, and already sick on the head! request
        1. cost
          cost 6 December 2019 11: 35
          +9
          Volodymyr Zelenskyy proposed the creation of a "municipal guard" that will serve on the territory of the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass. According to this proposal, the "guard" in equal proportions should include Ukrainian National Guards, OSCE representatives, as well as representatives of the republics

          and the representatives of the OSCE and the Ukrainian National Guard are also municipalities? belay So to speak from local feel laughing
          Or does Zee just not know what this term means? fool
          municipal - local government
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 6 December 2019 12: 30
            +4
            Zelenskiy promised that "it would be better to leave the summit with nothing than to make concessions to Vladimir Putin."

            stop Well why should Putin meet Zelensky and spend your precious time on this "artist"? Just for to hear from "Zeleni" his impudent fake ULTIMATUMS ?![/B] No.

            Ha! In principle, at the summit in the "Normandy format", which is scheduled in Paris on December 9, Zelensky - in this situation - you can not start! feel In this case, nothing will be lost from the summit!
            And this arrogant "artist" from Ukraine can, in this case, just sit down for alcohol and show off in some bar!
            1. iConst
              iConst 6 December 2019 12: 55
              +6
              Quote: Tatiana
              Well, why then would Putin meet with Zelensky and waste his precious time on this "artist"? Just to hear from "Zeleni" his impudent fake ULTIMATUMS ?!

              Do not shoot the pianist - he plays as best he can. Be lenient. Natsik around him did not make a sickly whistle. What can he say now?

              I think that Ze will go to any agreements if they promise him real protection against the Nazis. But neither the European Union, nor Germany, and especially France, cannot give such protection, even with all their desire.
              Russia could, but ... you know. States so far rule.

              But if Ze "comes out" as promises, it will be the first and last time. Putin will not allow himself to be used in the Ze-show.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 6 December 2019 13: 20
                +5
                Quote: iConst
                Putin will not allow himself to be used in the show.

                Snotty, does he compare his status with the status of Putin ?!
                Is he out of his mind?
                It will be enough for Putin only to get up from the table, as the whole Norman format will be removed from the negotiation room.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 6 December 2019 13: 34
                  +5
                  Quote: iConst
                  Do not shoot the pianist - he plays as best he can. Be lenient.
                  First of all. The country's presidency is no place for pianists! Let's be principled! Not by "Green" "Monomakh's hat" in Ukraine!
                  Natsik around him did not make a sickly whistle. What can he say now?
                  Secondly. Zelensky knew what he was going for, running for the nominal presidency of banderloid Ukraine!
                  At the same time, the puppet Zelensky does not think for himself, but they think for him! And Zelensky just rides a presidential salary and presidential benefits into his pocket and at the same time saves his skin from radicals!

                  Thirdly. And Zelensky himself, as they say, is a berry of the same field as the Russophobes-Natsiks!

                  REFERENCE
                  The cap of Monomakh is the main imperial cap of the great princes and kings, a symbol of autocracy in Russia. It is one of the oldest regalia of the Armory of the Moscow Kremlin.
                  1. iConst
                    iConst 6 December 2019 14: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Firstly. The country's presidency is not a place for pianists! Let's be principled!

                    In Ukraine, you will agree, a difficult situation. And cavalry impudence, with such a balance of power, is not the best tactic.
                    Something recalled: Principality, Dallas, sunny noon on November 22, 1963 ...
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 6 December 2019 14: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: iConst
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Firstly. The country's presidency is not a place for pianists! Let's be principled!
                      In Ukraine, you will agree, a difficult situation. And cavalry impudence, with such a balance of power, is not the best tactic.
                      Something was recalled: Principle, Dallas, sunny noon on November 22, 1963 ...
                      Konstantin! Nice! Do not make me laugh!
                      The political "figure" of Zelensky - even in his posturing - has never even stood close, should not and will not stand with the proud political monolith of John F. Kennedy during his lifetime!
                      Mouth of this, if John F. Kennedy was publicly shot in public by US intelligence, then Zelensky’s Ukrainian-Banderloid Natsik - with the connivance of Avakov - they’ll just take them out to the forest and there, without a twinge of conscience, they will quietly peacefully hang them on a tree!
                      1. iConst
                        iConst 6 December 2019 14: 48
                        -1
                        Wow, Tatyana, about Kennedy! laughing

                        Only I do not quite understand the meaning of your passage - negotiations are still conducted by Zelensky.
                        And the surroundings are absolutely not important - there will be a simple clothesline or from Gauthier.
                        It is important that Ze does not want such a scenario. smile
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 6 December 2019 16: 24
                        0
                        Quote: iConst
                        Wow, Tatyana, about Kennedy! laughing
                        And there’s nothing to laugh here! In addition, you yourself first started.
                        Something recalled: Principality, Dallas, sunny noon on November 22, 1963 ...
                        And what else did you want to hear from me?

                        Firstly. You need to know who, at that time, not for life, but for death, John Kennedy grappled with, and who exactly and for what specifically was he provocatively shot publicly!
                        Moreover, Kennedy on the eve was warned not to go with this planned route and change the route. However, Kennedy ostentatiously drove along the route set by the well-known US intelligence agencies - and even in an OPEN car!
                        And secondly. Compared to Zelensky, John F. Kennedy did not have the courage!
                        Kennedy is a World War II veteran and with the rank of “lieutenant” went through the entire campaign in the Solomon Islands as commander of the torpedo boat PT-109. For the courage shown during the hostilities, John F. Kennedy was awarded many awards.
                        And your Zelensky took off from the army and never served in the armed forces of the country!
                        Only I do not quite understand the meaning of your passage - negotiations are still conducted by Zelensky.

                        And if you don’t understand the meaning of my “passages” answers, then why did you remember the assassination of John F. Kennedy in the United States on the question of Zelensky’s “meaning” and “courage”? For the sake of a word of mouth?

                        So. Nominal President of Ukraine Zelensky does not "conduct negotiations", but he "SOUNDS" them only from hearsay!
                      3. hydrox
                        hydrox 6 December 2019 17: 37
                        +3
                        The most regrettable is that Zelik does not conduct these negotiations, he is only present when the general opinion of the Norman troika is presented, which is for Zelik an order for execution based on the decision of the UN Security Council and if someone does not like this fact, then this will be his problems .
                        Somehow, it falls out of the discussion that the next act of the UN Security Council could be FORCE FOR PEACE :: I remind you that this is exactly what happened in Georgik 080808 - Georgika still cannot recover from that defeat.
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              3. Lelek
                Lelek 6 December 2019 13: 56
                +3
                Quote: iConst
                Natsik around him did not make a sickly whistle. What can he say now?

                hi
                Can't do anything? Then "... if the frail - immediately into the coffin ..." or resign according to sob. yellow and fucking badyazhit heads of 73% of those who voted for "just a clown."
            2. Lelek
              Lelek 6 December 2019 13: 50
              +3
              Quote: Tatiana
              And this arrogant "artist" from Ukraine can, in this case, just sit down for alcohol and show off in some bar!

              hi
              Well, the gun-looters will immediately throw "present" for misappropriation of funds for the flight.
              Well, but seriously, it follows from the statement that Ze did not become the president of the former Ukraine and his "mission" was a failure. Therefore, on December 10-11, the Russian Federation must carry out an act of recognition of the independence of the republics of the LPR and the DPR and begin to conclude full-fledged state treaties with them in all vital areas (I am not changing it). yes
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 6 December 2019 14: 04
                +1
                Quote: Lelek
                Therefore, on December 10-11, the Russian Federation should conduct an act of recognition of the independence of the republics of the LPR and the DPR

                I would have to! But, unfortunately, things are not so simple and quick. For this recognition, Russia and DLNR will also have to compete in the political arena in the world! For the world community without war is not yet ready for this recognition of the independence of the DLNR. But the recognition of the independence of the DLNR, apparently, is just around the corner. In addition, Kiev itself is doing everything to accelerate this process.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 6 December 2019 17: 44
                  +2
                  We could try to introduce peacekeepers by registering them with the UN Security Council, then any landmine and any shot will be regarded as an attempt on the peacekeepers and Russian citizens, and in this way we can at least stop the shelling of the Ukrainian armed forces on LDNR territories - and this does not stop the execution of the Minsk agreements . laughing
                  1. Lelek
                    Lelek 6 December 2019 23: 23
                    +4
                    Quote: hydrox
                    We could try to introduce peacekeepers by registering them with the UN Security Council ...

                    hi
                    Do you mean the peacekeepers from the Russian Federation? In the UN, this option will not fail, the "West" will lay the bones to prevent this, and Russia will not allow the "peacekeepers" of the West - they have been taught by Yugoslavia. Then the Ukrainian "walk-field" does not really take into account the OSCE controllers and there is no guarantee that the peacekeepers will not be fired upon, and this is a war according to the 08.08.08 pattern.
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 7 December 2019 11: 09
                      -1
                      War, speak?
                      Who knows, at other times (like "Overton windows") SUCH situations may arise that it is better to end the war than, gritting your teeth, incur losses.
                      In addition, if on the front there are half-drunk, half-dull skewers from Gulyai-Pol, who, in principle, do not understand the order and the order. yes
                      And the war with them - it will be an uncountable series of cauldrons and donkeys, drowning in captivity ...
                2. Lelek
                  Lelek 6 December 2019 23: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  For the world community without war is not yet ready for this recognition of the independence of the DLNR.

                  It means that one should not give a damn about the world community, as they did in Georgia and the PMR, but the Ruin's lesson will be taught not on "blah blah", but in practice.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 6 December 2019 10: 22
        +4
        Quote: Thrall
        Timur is not the one today, but I will not say anything about his team

        Well, how does Greenlokha know who Timur is, the works of A. Gaidar are prohibited in Ukrainian schools.
        1. Earth
          Earth 6 December 2019 12: 49
          +4
          Quote: tihonmarine
          in Ukrainian schools, the works of A. Gaidar are prohibited.

          there is no prohibition. They simply are not included in the study program. (There is a small volume and even up to grade 5 too serious works)
          On November 2, 1938, the newspaper Pionerskaya Pravda published the first chapters of The Fate of a Drummer. Under the passage stood: “To Be Continued” (the newspaper was published three times a week). The next day, the same passage was read on the radio, and now the announcer announced to the whole country: "To be continued."
          However, the continuation did not follow. This was served as a denunciation at the OGPU. The story was immediately banned, recruitment in the "Pioneer" and Detizdat was scattered. And not only “Drummer” - all Gaidar’s books that were in production. No one doubted that the days of Gaidar were numbered - in the libraries, without waiting for instructions, they began to remove “RVS”, “School”, “Military Secret” and “Far Countries” from the shelves.
          And only 3 months after the award, all the bans were lifted.
          The ban on the import into Ukraine of A. Gaidar by the largest publishers of the Russian Federation does not exist. In all the major networks, book A of Gaidar Timur and his team are for sale.
          School Collection
          ABC
          Samovar
          and pr calmly sold.

          Timur and his team Arkady Gaidar - Internet-shop of books "Diasha" 56 UAH.
          Unfortunately, modern students, for the most part, are very familiar with the work of Arkady Gaidar (at best). Gaidar's works are practically excluded from a number of school curricula. Recognized obsolete.
          (if that is about the Russian Federation)
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 6 December 2019 14: 19
            0
            Quote: Earth
            Gaidar's works are practically excluded from a number of school curricula. Recognized obsolete.
            Another country, other priorities and other heroes. Now I have believed Kuchma at 100.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 7 December 2019 08: 42
              0
              And the desire to put the villain to the wall did not arise? laughing
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 7 December 2019 10: 48
                0
                Quote: hydrox
                And the desire to put the villain to the wall did not arise?

                Back in 08.12.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX and two more with him.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 7 December 2019 11: 22
                  0
                  This scoundrel was not there, there were two others (one of them is a scoundrel three times, but he earned a memorial from the authorities (and they also yell: "Remove Lenin, demolish the mausoleum!").
                  And what mausoleum in E / Burg was banged for the people's money !?
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 7 December 2019 12: 21
                    0
                    Quote: hydrox
                    one of them was a villain three times, but he deserved the memorial from the authorities (

                    Each government honors its heroes and erects monuments to them, and demolishes the monuments to heroes posed by the former government.
      3. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO 6 December 2019 13: 48
        +1
        Quote: Thrall
        according to Zelensky, "this is one of his team's ideas."

        Timur is not the one today, but I will not say anything about his team smile

        It’s not hard to imagine, the guards, from such a team ..
    2. Civil
      Civil 6 December 2019 10: 10
      +1
      Oh well, it’s good to procrastinate this topic, the great-grandchildren will deal with the problem of Donbass in the distant future. And in the near future it is Transnistria 2. Because nobody benefits. Solving the problem of Donbass will automatically lead to improved relations with Ukraine. The State Department will not do this.
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 6 December 2019 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: KOT BYUN
      Do not engage in verbal masturbation on the topic of future ideas ....

      That's right!
      But the chieftains in the Square will not stop doing this very thing until they are forced by circumstances ... The Minsk agreement was signed by the parashenka only after the defeat and the boilers.
      In history, and in the life of ordinary citizens wink It’s almost always the case: all essential contracts are concluded as a result of necessity, caused either by the economic situation, or by military defeat, or by the great benefit of the agreement of the parties.
    4. ser-pov
      ser-pov 6 December 2019 11: 10
      +3
      Zelensky also promised that "it would be better to leave the summit with nothing than to make concessions to Vladimir Putin."

      And why then the GDP to meet with this clown? So that that ego amused?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 6 December 2019 12: 22
        +3
        Amazingly, the losing side dictates the conditions to the winners! Jumping horses! tongue
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 7 December 2019 08: 49
          0
          He still walks in diapers to dictate the conditions!
          He’ll learn how to use the toilet still, and how to dunk it in that toilet a dozen or two times (Trump’s trick doesn’t count, it’s from emotions!) - then they’ll say hello to him, though you’ll greet him, out of the mud to riches !!
    5. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 6 December 2019 12: 29
      0
      And in general "why do we need it"? Did they break the constitution for that?
    6. 72jora72
      72jora72 6 December 2019 12: 34
      +1
      In Kiev, they decided to create a “municipal guard” in the territory of Donbass
      And in Kiev, you can create a "Night Watch" named after Bashirov and Petrov, so that all evil spirits can be caught.
  2. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 6 December 2019 10: 03
    0
    "On the territory of the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass, it is necessary to create a" municipal guard ", which will include both representatives of Ukraine and the republics. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky intends to apply to Russian President Vladimir Putin with such a proposal, Ukrainian media report.
    Then "regional" - "regional" - then "at all stops" ... There is no limit to the "ideas" of the neighbors.
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 6 December 2019 10: 51
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      Then "regional" - "regional" - then "at all stops" ... There is no limit to the "ideas" of the neighbors.

      Exactly. And from whom are they going to guard? Except, as from themselves, it seems there is no one else from.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 6 December 2019 10: 04
    0
    Oh, the guard gets up early!
  4. Errr
    Errr 6 December 2019 10: 04
    0
    The tail is trying to wag the dog.
  5. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 6 December 2019 10: 05
    +1
    In the trash can-immediately such an offer negative
  6. knn54
    knn54 6 December 2019 10: 07
    +2
    In the agreements (Minsk-2), it was noted that the LDNR db has its own police and courts.
    And Dumas turned over in his coffin - a joint "patrol" of the Cardinal's musketeers and guards ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 December 2019 10: 27
      +5
      Quote: knn54
      And Dumas turned over in his coffin, a joint "patrol" of the Musketeers and the Cardinal's guards.

      Almost so, but at Dumas they are all good. But it’s about as if the partisans of Kovpak together with Bandera patrol the Donbas, that’s right.
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 6 December 2019 10: 14
    +2
    ““ Zelensky also promised that “it would be better to leave the summit with nothing than make concessions to Vladimir Putin.” “Zelensky will leave the summit with nothing in any scenario, he didn’t come out at a level, clown !!!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 December 2019 10: 30
      0
      Quote: Alien From
      Zelensky also promised that “it is better to leave the summit with nothing than to make concessions to Vladimir Putin.

      So why then go at all, take time from busy people. And he can drink coffee with Duda in Warsaw, or with Kersti Kaljulajd in Tallinn.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 6 December 2019 10: 34
        0
        Heh, I agree)))
  8. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 6 December 2019 10: 14
    +1
    The LDNRs themselves are capable of military service, and the desire of Kiev to enter the territory of the republics has other goals. In addition, the Norman Four have more important things to discuss.
  9. askort154
    askort154 6 December 2019 10: 18
    +3
    Zelensky also promised that "it would be better to leave the summit with nothing than to make concessions to Vladimir Putin."

    With whom are you going to butt ?! There is a saying - "young - green".
    In this case, a complete set. yes
    1. Paul
      Paul 6 December 2019 10: 43
      0
      Exactly. Actually, Zelensky says this for domestic Ukrainian consumption from the series - "in, I'm cool!" I can do that too, so if Trump doesn't wash my car today, I refuse to live in Trump Tower for money.
  10. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 December 2019 10: 19
    +1
    On the territory of the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass, it is necessary to create a "municipal guard", which will include as representatives of Ukraine,
    This means bringing in "Aydar" and other punitive battalions and calling them Municipal Guard. "How far from life are showmen and jesters.
    1. Katanikotael
      Katanikotael 6 December 2019 17: 34
      0
      Remember the municipal wart Klitschka, the one that is "twinned" c14? Now many of the C14s now hold fairly high positions in the newly organized "municipal warte".
  11. nikolai.kolya
    nikolai.kolya 6 December 2019 10: 20
    -5
    it’s better to take over the country as soon as possible and then pay billions of dollars of tribute for decades .... and also arm them bully

    recipe checked, works 100%
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 6 December 2019 10: 24
      0
      Quote: nikolai.kolya
      it’s better to take over the country as soon as possible and then pay billions of dollars of tribute for decades .... and also arm them bully

      recipe checked, works 100%

      Yeah. Look at the NATO countries. As soon as yesterday they obligated to pay. Not 2% but already 4%.
      1. nikolai.kolya
        nikolai.kolya 6 December 2019 10: 25
        -3
        Yes, I just had in mind .... lol
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 6 December 2019 10: 27
          +1
          Quote: nikolai.kolya
          Yes, I just had in mind .... lol

          "Sure". You have NATO, one country.
          1. nikolai.kolya
            nikolai.kolya 6 December 2019 11: 02
            -6
            NATO in the worst case will fall apart, and if we stop paying tribute - the bomb will not seem a little ....
            1. Andrey Chistyakov
              Andrey Chistyakov 6 December 2019 11: 04
              +1
              Quote: nikolai.kolya
              NATO in the worst case will fall apart, and if we stop paying tribute - the bomb will not seem a little ....

              Your fantasies are touched. This and live (bomb) go ...
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 6 December 2019 11: 12
              0
              Quote: nikolai.kolya
              NATO will fall apart in the worst case

              But America will remain.
  12. usr01
    usr01 6 December 2019 10: 22
    +1
    Y-yes ... "I grew rich with a thought ..." (c)
  13. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 6 December 2019 10: 22
    +1
    Guarding ?? !!!
    Replayed the computer? !!
  14. Aliken
    Aliken 6 December 2019 10: 23
    0
    Why is it needed there?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 December 2019 11: 13
      0
      Quote: Aliken
      Why is it needed there?

      This is not a question for us, but for Zelensky & Co.
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 6 December 2019 10: 24
    +3
    In Kiev, they decided to create a “municipal guard” in the territory of Donbass

    How exactly? Like, how in the Crimea have spawned useless offices?
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 6 December 2019 11: 01
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Like, how in the Crimea have spawned useless offices?

      For it is said: "Do not multiply entities more than necessary!"
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 6 December 2019 11: 05
        +1
        Quote: Vasyan1971
        For it is said: "Do not multiply entities more than necessary!"

        "For it is said," the Kukuevs and not only do not listen from the definition at all.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 December 2019 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      How exactly? Like, how in the Crimea have spawned useless offices?

      I don't remember the pre-war film, but it was "What are you doing? Preparing documents for the bosses. And what does the bosses do? Preparing documents for other bosses, and so on higher and higher." The office writes business. "Error 404", a simple restart is not eliminated, the operating system is out of order.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 6 December 2019 11: 41
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The operating system is out of order.

        There is no good repair / adjustment specialist and is not expected!
  16. HAM
    HAM 6 December 2019 10: 38
    +1
    "Team Ze" has either a "jammer" or cerebral diarrhea ... not a single sensible suggestion. It seems that only work on the image: ".. look, the West, how peaceful we are ..."
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 December 2019 11: 29
      0
      Quote: HAM
      Does "Team Ze" have a "jammer"
      Green sucker is more of a computer virus - a type of malware that can infiltrate other programs code, system memory areas and disrupt the entire device.
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 December 2019 10: 39
    +2
    In Kiev, many things are "decided" without thinking about how it will actually come out.
    it is necessary to create a "municipal guard", which will include both representatives of Ukraine and the republics
    In how. Representatives of one and the other side have been fighting for five years, and then suddenly, by the will of Zelensky, they embrace and begin to serve together.
    Zelenskiy promised that "it is better to leave the summit with nothing than to make concessions to Vladimir Putin."
    So why would such a "hero" go there at all if he had to return immediately?
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 6 December 2019 11: 00
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      So why would such a "hero" go there at all if he had to return immediately?

      What? To Paris for free and not to get through?
  18. Guards turn
    Guards turn 6 December 2019 10: 47
    +1
    Climbing into those areas of state administration activity about which he has no idea.
  19. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 6 December 2019 10: 58
    +2
    Zelensky also promised that "it would be better to leave the summit with nothing than to make concessions to Vladimir Putin."

    Oh how! On the one hand, let him sit at home then. And on the other - why not get involved at the state expense?
  20. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 6 December 2019 11: 08
    +2
    I don’t understand what the KGB officer and the clown can talk about? .. The levels are different. Intelligence is different. Is he going to tell him about the “guard”? .. Zelenka, dear, this is not a contest in KVN. This is international politics ...
  21. Victorio
    Victorio 6 December 2019 11: 09
    -2
    I’m not particularly surprised if Putin supports such an initiative. and I’m surprised if he sends the Netsians away.
    1. Waddimm
      Waddimm 6 December 2019 12: 42
      +2
      Quote: Victorio
      I’m not particularly surprised if Putin supports such an initiative. and I’m surprised if he sends the Netsians away.

      Justify, please!
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 6 December 2019 13: 00
        -1
        Quote: Waddimm
        Quote: Victorio
        I’m not particularly surprised if Putin supports such an initiative. and I’m surprised if he sends the Netsians away.

        Justify, please!

        + + +
        ) wait, see
  22. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 6 December 2019 11: 17
    +1
    When will Kiev begin to think about its territory? Thousands of thugs march at them, streets in honor of the fascists are renamed embassies, and all foreign territories do not give them peace, let them understand the wild field.
  23. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 6 December 2019 11: 17
    +1
    .... Ukrainian National Guard must enter

    And the basis of the National Guard of Ukraine was Bandera fascists.
    I will not be surprised if Donbass does not accept this "guard".
    1. Earth
      Earth 6 December 2019 12: 54
      -1
      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
      And the basis of the National Guard of Ukraine was Bandera fascists.

      units from the natives of Donetsk and Lugansk regions are also there.
      You can send them.
  24. Rostislav Prokopenko
    Rostislav Prokopenko 6 December 2019 11: 49
    0
    Kiev will demand that the "municipal guards" include only those who "did not participate in hostilities, did not shoot, did not kill."
    those. none of the APU is on guard
  25. common man
    common man 6 December 2019 11: 54
    +2
    As I understand it, the representatives of the National Guard and the OSCE must be natives of Donbass, and "did not participate in hostilities, did not shoot, did not kill." Are there such?
  26. soloveyav
    soloveyav 6 December 2019 12: 55
    +2
    That is, as I understand it, they want to create troops on the territory that they do not control from their fighters (National Guard), OSCE officers (who will call on Poles, Balts and other former ATS from those who are for Ukraine), and untrained locals without combat experience. All that remains is the question of why they did not include the APU in this list - to get so brazen to the end.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 6 December 2019 16: 56
      +6
      Quote: soloveyav
      All that remains is the question of why they did not include the APU in this list - to get so brazen to the end.

      They have been raving about this since Poroshekovsky times, from Debaltseve.
      Quote: soloveyav
      and untrained locals without combat experience.

      As the saying goes, but ho-ho is not hehe ...?
      Hi Sanya. hi
      1. soloveyav
        soloveyav 6 December 2019 18: 51
        +3
        Good day to you too hi
        Poroshenko even wanted to capture, it’s at least relatively understandable, but these offer to surrender voluntarily in essence. I really hope that they will be sent far, far.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 6 December 2019 19: 24
          +6
          Not the one who also claimed for UN troops.
          Quote: soloveyav
          I really hope that they will be sent far, far.

          And so it will be. "Old Man" did offer to introduce yours? AND... request And then the Baltic states. negative
          IMHO: The abscess has matured, something will happen and no matter how, nor this winter.
          1. soloveyav
            soloveyav 6 December 2019 19: 49
            +2
            Ours is unlikely, to offer does not mean to send - protests may begin (one of the ideas we are promoting is to intervene in other people's wars is bad, it will turn out for what we fought for and ran into it). But in winter it is unlikely, rather closer to the beginning of spring, when it is still dry, but no longer cold. Although they are already slowly capturing the gray zone, because they do not pay much attention to it. And with an open attack, the "north wind" can still blow out, and then they will have to repair all the equipment again or buy it all over Eastern Europe, and catch people.
          2. soloveyav
            soloveyav 6 December 2019 20: 08
            +2
            But about the fact that the "boil is ripe" I agree, Zelinsky needs to show the radicals that he is his own and better than Poroshenko, so anything can be, it is better not to swear.
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 6 December 2019 20: 24
              +6
              Well, and I, about what .. And why in the winter what , too many factors converge. Zelensky looks like a little Fuhrer now. But in order for him to gain a foothold in power, he must spend the "night of long knives." Otherwise long knives will spend the night with him. Dangling along the front, not in vain ... wink
              1. soloveyav
                soloveyav 6 December 2019 20: 26
                +2
                I agree here, they can come not from the real convenience of a certain time, but purely from political reasons.
  27. Leading
    Leading 6 December 2019 13: 01
    +1
    But he does not want to patrol Kiev together with the police of Donbas?
  28. Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 December 2019 13: 20
    +1
    But who will let these banderlog without a muzzle, they are dangerous like a plague. First, they are in a bag and with a stick, and when the nonsense is knocked out and the doctors examine, then you can talk about something.
  29. Lelek
    Lelek 6 December 2019 13: 39
    +1
    Zelensky also promised that "it would be better to leave the summit with nothing than to make concessions to Vladimir Putin."
    Then go ahead and not spend money on flying to Paris. bully
  30. Terenin
    Terenin 6 December 2019 13: 49
    +4
    ... Zelensky also promised that "it is better to leave the summit with nothing than to make concessions to Putin.

    It’s unlikely to leave, but will throw any arrangements, that's for sure yes
  31. Terenin
    Terenin 6 December 2019 13: 54
    +5
    . must enter the Ukrainian National Guard

    What kind of nonsense fool so LDNR went to all hardships so that this bastard would not be allowed on its territory ...
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  33. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 6 December 2019 15: 19
    0
    in Paris, the creation of a "municipal guard", which will serve on the territory of the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass.

    "Good" idea, but on the condition that the same Donbass units will patrol Kiev chasing Natsik and other Bandera ... heh heh
    How do you like Greens?
    Better get ready for the surrender of Kiev before the borders are blocked .. hi
  34. Looking for
    Looking for 6 December 2019 19: 44
    +1
    And where will Zelensky go to the defenders of Donbass. Who killed Ukrainian murderers and marauders. Zaschitnikov who avenge the destroyed houses. Killed relatives. Children ???? that's why all these "negotiations" in the Minsk format are nothing but nonsense.
  35. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 6 December 2019 21: 40
    0
    Sitting in the "capital city" of Kiev, Pan V. Zelensky "grew bolder" and with "daring speeches" began to speak, oh and the lad "dared". When V. Zelensky arrives in the "capital city" of Paris, when he appears before the clear eyes of V. Putin ... then we will see - "... V. Zelensky is lost or lost ..."
  36. Den717
    Den717 6 December 2019 22: 41
    0
    Zelensky also promised that "it would be better to leave the summit with nothing than to make concessions to Vladimir Putin."

    In other words, Ze does not want to negotiate with anyone, but only to dictate his terms. Why then do you need to distract from business? Why date? Ze can also "send" by phone through their advisers ... After all, any negotiations are a search for a compromise. Those. everyone needs to give in to the other side in some way. Otherwise, it is not negotiations, but giving orders. Does Ze have such powers and capabilities? I doubt it. And if they nevertheless agree on something, will Ze be able to fulfill the agreement with such pressure from the Bandera supporters? After all, there is no real armed force behind him.
  37. LeonidL
    LeonidL 7 December 2019 05: 22
    0
    New anecdote from "Quarter 95" !!!!! Not even funny!
  38. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 7 December 2019 15: 19
    +1
    We have NM, police, commandant’s office, MGB, so no, we don’t need ukrhalyavshchiki))