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The US press discussed whether F-35 will become part of Israel’s nuclear triad

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The American press asked whether Israel could turn its latest weapons into aviation into an element of the nuclear triad.


Such a question is asked on the pages of The National Interest, where the author initially ranks Israel as a nuclear power, despite the fact that this country does not officially recognize its nuclear status.

NI considers the situation with the saturation of the IDF air fleet with American-made F-35 aircraft. Over the next five years, the F-35 Adir fleet is expected to reach fifty.

From the material:

And if the Israeli authorities want to equip these aircraft with nuclear bombs, then who can stop them from doing this?

It is further noted that Israel is quite ready to use fifth-generation fighters as carriers of nuclear weapons - including to maintain military superiority in the region.

These statements are actively discussed in the Israeli media. So, on Israeli TV (9 channel) they reminded that Israel de jure has no nuclear status. Nevertheless, excerpts from the article in the mentioned American edition are given. So, a statement is published that says about the presence of submarines (class "Dolphin") and mine-based missiles with nuclear filling.

From the material:

F-35 may be the latest addition to the aviation part of the Israeli nuclear triad.

It is recalled that at one time, the Americans delivered A-4 Skyhawk and F-4 Phantoms to Israel, provided that he would not use them as carriers of nuclear weapons. There are no reports that F-35 shipments are subject to the same conditions.

From the article:

In the US, they plan to equip their F-35 with tactical nuclear bombs B61-12. And one of the ways Washington could try to prevent Israel from transforming its F-35 into nuclear weapon delivery systems is to prevent it from making any changes aimed at turning Adir aircraft into nuclear-weapon carriers.

It is also noted in the material that if Israel places nuclear weapons on the F-35, then it will have a means of breaking through the defense of Iran’s air defense with a nuclear component, which will be a trump card in the confrontation with the "Iranian regime."
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  1. knn54
    knn54 5 December 2019 19: 06
    +3
    TRIAD, how is it?
    1. opus
      opus 5 December 2019 20: 12
      +11
      Quote: knn54
      TRIAD, how is it?

      The Triad is a form of secret criminal organizations in China and the Chinese diaspora.
      This is something like this:
      1. knn54
        knn54 5 December 2019 20: 31
        +5
        It is interesting which of them is the “yellow dragon”, who is the “white paper fan”, who is the “straw sandals” (“sandalwood stick”), who is the “red rod / pole / staff”.
        And if SERIOUSLY, then the triad, in addition to aviation - STRATEGIC BOMBERS, and not F-35, also implies ballistic missiles with a nuclear warhead and nuclear submarines.
        In general, experts (?) Continue to "light up".
        1. opus
          opus 5 December 2019 20: 54
          +4
          Quote: knn54
          I wonder which one is the "yellow dragon", which is the "white paper fan",

          I can not know!
          but Jews cannot be seen among them
          Quote: Author
          triads Israel

          Quote: knn54
          then the triad, in addition to aviation, implies missiles with a nuclear warhead and nuclear submarines - the IDF certainly doesn’t.

          not a nuclear submarine !!!
          A nuclear submarine is not required to have an underwater launch with a nuclear warhead.
          look at our "partners" - North Korea
          Pukguksong-3 is and flies (http://kcna.kp/kcna.user.article.retrieveNewsViewInfoList.kcmsf)

          No nuclear submarine.
          but there

          [quoteв] DPRK began in 2012-2013 the construction of its own experimental submarine Gorae (or Sinpo - the name of the shipyard), which in theory can launch one or two SLBMs from a depth of 10-15 meters, that is, it needs to rise higher to launch a rocket to the surface (modern boats launch missiles from a depth of 50 meters). [/ quote]
          Heil Ha-Yam has Submarines "Dolphin" are type 212 submarines

          Dolphin are Israel's most expensive combat systems and are valued at more than 700 million dollars each. They provide the doctrine of guaranteed retaliation in the event of an attack.

          TA: 4x650 mm (25.6 ") and 6x533 mm (21") TA (according to the official website of the Israeli Navy - 10x533 mm TA). Standard ammunition consists of 16 torpedoes and 5 rockets
          TA equipped with hydromechanical ejection devices for forced ejection RCC "Sab-Harpoon"

          Sub-Harpoon missiles are capable of carrying a warhead weighing 235 kilograms at a range of 280 km (nominally + INF Treaty).
          Something with him picked Israel-HZ. In Electronics, they lead, could very well reduce the tare weight
          If they have a nuclear warhead, like the W-30 of the RIM-8 Talos, then this is somewhere 90-110kg
          Range can be up to 1000 km.
          It is enough to fly "where it is necessary"

          And whether a nuclear warhead will be installed on the "sub-Harpoon" or not - depends on the desire of the authorities of the country with nuclear weapons.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 5 December 2019 21: 34
            +4
            Quote: opus
            Quote: knn54
            I wonder which one is the "yellow dragon", which is the "white paper fan",

            I can not know!
            but Jews cannot be seen among them
            Quote: Author
            triads Israel

            Quote: knn54
            then the triad, in addition to aviation, implies missiles with a nuclear warhead and nuclear submarines - the IDF certainly doesn’t.

            not a nuclear submarine !!!
            A nuclear submarine is not required to have an underwater launch with a nuclear warhead.
            look at our "partners" - North Korea
            Pukguksong-3 is and flies (http://kcna.kp/kcna.user.article.retrieveNewsViewInfoList.kcmsf)

            No nuclear submarine.
            but there

            [quoteв] DPRK began in 2012-2013 the construction of its own experimental submarine Gorae (or Sinpo - the name of the shipyard), which in theory can launch one or two SLBMs from a depth of 10-15 meters, that is, it needs to rise higher to launch a rocket to the surface (modern boats launch missiles from a depth of 50 meters).

            Heil Ha-Yam has Submarines "Dolphin" are type 212 submarines

            Dolphin are Israel's most expensive combat systems and are valued at more than 700 million dollars each. They provide the doctrine of guaranteed retaliation in the event of an attack.

            TA: 4x650 mm (25.6 ") and 6x533 mm (21") TA (according to the official website of the Israeli Navy - 10x533 mm TA). Standard ammunition consists of 16 torpedoes and 5 rockets
            TA equipped with hydromechanical ejection devices for forced ejection RCC "Sab-Harpoon"

            Sub-Harpoon missiles are capable of carrying a warhead weighing 235 kilograms at a range of 280 km (nominally + INF Treaty).
            Something with him picked Israel-HZ. In Electronics, they lead, could very well reduce the tare weight
            If they have a nuclear warhead, like the W-30 of the RIM-8 Talos, then this is somewhere 90-110kg
            Range can be up to 1000 km.
            It is enough to fly "where it is necessary"

            And whether a nuclear warhead will be installed on the "sub-Harpoon" or not - depends on the desire of the authorities of the country with nuclear weapons. [/ Quote]
            KR Popey Turbo, range 1500, with warhead weight 200 kg
            1. opus
              opus 6 December 2019 17: 28
              +4
              Quote: Krasnodar
              KR Popey Turbo, range 1500, with warhead weight 200 kg

              all the more
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        2. Pushkowed
          Pushkowed 6 December 2019 05: 02
          +2
          the triad, in addition to aviation - STRATEGIC BOMBERS, and not F-35, also implies ballistic missiles with a nuclear warhead and nuclear submarines
          All this is true by standards super powerswho sit on different continents and somehow have to get to each other. And Israel is regional power. Here the requirements for the nuclear triad are softer. Instead of ICBMs, there is enough BMD. Instead of SSBNs with one or two dozen intercontinental SLBMs each, there is enough NPLs with missile defense. (Although the collapse rate of the Kyrgyz Republic has recently been quite high, that does not guarantee retaliation. So, Israelis can soon expect attempts to shove something more difficult to put on their NPLs: for example, embed a compartment with a ballistic missile defense system for the BRMD. Or order the Americans to develop hypersonic missiles for TA , because they themselves in the matter of hypersound, it seems, the horse still did not roll.) And for the air component of the nuclear triad regional power heavy bombers with intercontinental range are not at all necessary. A stealthy supersonic fighter, like the F-35, is just enough. Such a carrier will be able to stand up for itself in an air battle. Its main nuclear weapons are CDs, free-fall bombs or short-range air-to-ground missiles, i.e. by the standards of superpowers this is TNW. But on the other hand, the United States also has an air component of its nuclear triad, mainly for free-fall bombs B-61 and B-83. Although they are not tactical nuclear weapons, the whole point is that the air component should come into action after missile exchange and finish off the survivors due to its tactical flexibility (the possibility of retargeting in flight).
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 6 December 2019 08: 21
            +1
            Quote: Pushkowed
            And Israel is a regional power. Here the requirements for the nuclear triad are softer. Instead of ICBMs, there is enough BMD.

            Well, this is your opinion.
            Yes, Israel is a regional power.
            But Israel, from its past, believes that this is not enough.
            In service is a three-stage ballistic missile "Jericho-3." There is practically no data in the free press. It is known that it can carry nuclear weapons weighing from 350 kg to 1300 kg, flight range from 4000 -11500 km capable of hitting a target anywhere in the world.
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      3. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 6 December 2019 04: 20
        0
        Only, given the Jewish specifics, with CUTTINGS! )))
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 5 December 2019 21: 33
      +3
      I am a simple person, see NI or sohu - close the article
  2. Theodore
    Theodore 5 December 2019 19: 06
    -1
    Wait a minute! But did the kosher recognize their nuclear weapons?
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 5 December 2019 21: 31
      +3
      So they do not claim that he is not. Because if you say that there is no nuclear weapons, then you will need to provide evidence.
      They just agreed with everyone that they were not asking.
      1. Starper-xnumx
        Starper-xnumx 6 December 2019 16: 19
        -1
        Quote: rzzz
        They just agreed with everyone that they were not asking.

        And who asks, they call them anti-Semites and begin to whine about the persecution and the Holocaust hehe
        This is how we live and smell the sorrow of the whole world. We will again make money with them (straight into rhyme)))
  3. Shahno
    Shahno 5 December 2019 19: 16
    -1
    Nothing wrong. They have already given everything to us. If necessary, adapt any weapon, something like that. Rollback will cost states a lot of money.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 5 December 2019 19: 23
      +8
      Somehow, very simply and frivolously, you openly talk about your own uncontrolled production and maintenance of nuclear weapons. I am sure that the same Iran would behave like that, scream would be unreasonable and Israel would be the first in the queue of screamers.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 5 December 2019 20: 24
        +2
        These are cunning Israeli gentlemen, so to speak, they were going to put their software on penguins (there was an article on VO), maybe the wind is blowing from there ??
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 5 December 2019 22: 00
          0
          Already put, sort of like what
          1. Alien From
            Alien From 5 December 2019 22: 02
            +1
            Perhaps), but are the sons of Israel recognized)))
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 5 December 2019 22: 03
              0
              Well, everything is as usual hi
    2. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 5 December 2019 20: 08
      +7
      Look what a brave owner of a nuclear unaccounted for! fool With the size of your state, mocking neighbors with nuclear mines, donated by the quiet Yankees, it’s the same as spoiling the air in a tank - you’ll suffocate yourself! It would be better if you stopped dogging with your neighbors, you look, and you would live in peace! negative
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 5 December 2019 19: 19
    +1
    That is, the Israelis have submarines with nuclear ballistic missiles on board, tactical complexes a la Yars? There are all atomic weapons or aerial bombs, or warheads for them! The authors of the article are science fiction writers, or forgot to hangover. ..
    1. Equalized
      Equalized 5 December 2019 19: 21
      +3
      Why are you saying that?

      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 5 December 2019 19: 27
        +1
        Well, since the Israelis do not officially recognize their nuclear weapons, which South African physicists made for them with US money, God forbid we know the truth if the Israelis suddenly use it. ..
        1. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 5 December 2019 20: 13
          0
          Use nuclear weapons will be the beginning of a quick end for Israel, especially if the interests of Russia or China are affected, even without reconciliation of nuclear weapons.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 5 December 2019 22: 22
            -3
            Quote: Chaldon48
            Use nuclear weapons will be the beginning of a quick end for Israel

            The end, the existence of planet Earth!
        2. Binder
          Binder 5 December 2019 20: 29
          +8
          Quote: Thrifty
          Israelis do not officially recognize their nuclear weapons made by South African physicists

          What a dreamer you are, my friend! This means that Jewish physicists in the United States created an atomic bomb, then other Jewish intelligence officers obtained documentation on the "Manhattan Project" for the USSR, then another Jewish physicist made an atomic bomb for the Union, and the Jewish state, it turns out, had to turn to South Africans for help ? fool As far as I know, the Israelis only tested their products in South Africa - they do not have their own landfills, the area is not that ... hi
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 6 December 2019 04: 24
            +2
            Kurchatov was definitely not a Jew. This passion for writing down all the more or less prominent Jews resembles the same passion among alternative sexual people.
            1. Binder
              Binder 6 December 2019 05: 57
              -3
              Kurchatov is Russian, but Zeldovich, Khariton, Ginzburg and many others are just Jews. wink
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 6 December 2019 05: 58
                +1
                Even more, many others were Russian and more.
                1. Binder
                  Binder 6 December 2019 06: 00
                  -3
                  Who is arguing? There were Russians and representatives of other nationalities.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 6 December 2019 10: 26
                    0
                    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
                    So Jewish physicists in the US have created an atomic bomb

                    American Jews.
                    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
                    then other Jewish intelligence officers obtained documentation on the "Manhattan Project" for the USSR, then another Jewish physicist made an atomic bomb for the Union

                    Soviet Jews.
                    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
                    and the Jewish state, it turns out, should have turned to South Africans for help?

                    Israeli Jews.
                    1. Binder
                      Binder 6 December 2019 15: 59
                      -4
                      So a Jew, he is a Jew in Africa. bully
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 6 December 2019 16: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
                        So a Jew, he is a Jew in Africa. bully

                        It is not in Africa, and not even in the Jews, but in opportunities.
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            2. stone
              stone 6 December 2019 06: 32
              0
              And who writes that? Such a passion is known to anyone inherent! Who usually writes the hated politicians to Jews, Poroshenko, Medvedev and even Putin? wink
            3. MMX
              MMX 7 December 2019 18: 54
              0
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Kurchatov was definitely not a Jew. This passion for writing down all the more or less prominent Jews resembles the same passion among alternative sexual people.


              +100500. Ancient Ukrainians and Jews are at one step in this indicator.
          2. MMX
            MMX 7 December 2019 18: 51
            0
            Quote: Bindyuzhnik
            Quote: Thrifty
            Israelis do not officially recognize their nuclear weapons made by South African physicists

            What a dreamer you are, my friend! This means that Jewish physicists in the United States created an atomic bomb, then other Jewish intelligence officers obtained documentation on the "Manhattan Project" for the USSR, then another Jewish physicist made an atomic bomb for the Union, and the Jewish state, it turns out, had to turn to South Africans for help ? fool As far as I know, the Israelis only tested their products in South Africa - they do not have their own landfills, the area is not that ... hi


            Slightly covered. Did you miss the medicine again?
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 December 2019 20: 54
          +6
          Quote: Thrifty
          Well, since the Israelis do not officially recognize their nuclear weapons, which South African physicists made for them with US money, God forbid we know the truth if the Israelis suddenly use it. ..

          French physicists for Jewish money in the United States.
        4. Rzzz
          Rzzz 5 December 2019 21: 39
          0
          If they do, they will apply it to Iran, or some other neighbors. From which the answer will not come. Because even a few "pencils" with MIRV will put an end to the history of the Promised Land.
          Again, the Voronezh-DM radar station is being built in Crimea for a reason.
        5. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 5 December 2019 22: 04
          0
          Quote: Thrifty
          which South African physicists did for them for the money of the United States,

          "Thus, it can be stated that although the presence of a nuclear potential has never been officially confirmed, the Israel Defense Forces has formed nuclear triad in which there are aviation, land and sea components. According to experts, the Israeli nuclear arsenal is quantitatively close to the British one. "
          DEAR, YOU ARE ONLY A WRITER?
          Spend 5 minutes reading and immediately realize that your level of knowledge leaves much to be desired.
          https://topwar.ru/143462-yadernyy-potencial-izrailya.html
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 6 December 2019 06: 03
            0
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Spend 5 minutes reading

            I spent, you still owe me! )))
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 6 December 2019 07: 49
              +2
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              I spent, you still owe me!

              I never borrow, so I DO NOT NEED ANYTHING FOR ANYTHING.
              But if you have decided so, then no problem for me:
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 6 December 2019 08: 06
                +1
                Ooooh, caviar! Everything, in the calculation!
  5. Shahno
    Shahno 5 December 2019 19: 29
    +1
    Quote: Voyager
    Somehow, very simply and frivolously, you openly talk about your own uncontrolled production and maintenance of nuclear weapons. I am sure that the same Iran would behave like that, scream would be unreasonable and Israel would be the first in the queue of screamers.

    Just, rather, yes, simple. Frivolously, no. How old is the state of Israel, how many nuclear weapons supposedly exist in it. Now count how many times they put us on the edge. .. What was that? No, even in case of panic.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 5 December 2019 19: 42
      +5
      That is, you still carried nuclear weapons with you during the time of Moses? Or did they accidentally find him in the desert and decide to settle here? ?? lol
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 5 December 2019 22: 06
        +2
        Quote: Thrifty
        accidentally found in the desert

        Found it not stolen like some laughing
  6. Shahno
    Shahno 5 December 2019 19: 47
    +1
    Quote: Thrifty
    That is, you still carried nuclear weapons with you during the time of Moses? Or did they accidentally find him in the desert and decide to settle here? ?? lol

    Well. What do you think? The bush is burning, Moshe probably guessed that something was wrong here. Obviously, a weapon. But for what?
  7. opus
    opus 5 December 2019 20: 19
    +4
    Quote: Author
    Such a question is asked on the pages of The National Interest, where the author initially ranks Israel as a nuclear power,

    very damp firewood 2017
    This piece was first featured in 2017 and is being republished due to reader's interest.
    This info was the first time published in 2017 year and reprinted due to reader interest
    This time, at least the author is NOT a complete deer
    Zachary Keck
    He is currently studying nuclear non-proliferation issues as a fellow at the Washington Nonproliferation Policy Education Center. Prior to that, he was a research fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Relations at Harvard University (2015-2017). In 2014-2015, he worked as executive secretary of The National Interest magazine. Earlier, he was the executive secretary of the Washington-based Diplomat magazine, where he also maintained The Pacific Realist's blog.

    Prior to that, he worked as a deputy editor of the online journal International Relations and trained in the Center for New American Security and in the US Congress, where he was involved in defense issues.
  8. Professor
    Professor 5 December 2019 20: 36
    +4
    В American press they wondered whether Israel could turn its latest combat aircraft into an element of the nuclear triad.

    This question is asked on the pages of the publication. The National Interest,

    I did not read further. This is the same "American publication" as the "Russian service of the BBC" Russian media.
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 5 December 2019 22: 49
    +1
    It makes no sense.
    There is a BRDS. Simpler and faster.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 December 2019 03: 09
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It makes no sense.
      There is a BRDS. Simpler and faster.

      Has the meaning
      For a warning strike in the desert in the country of the enemy, in order to stop its progress, it is better to use the F-35-m. If you strike a massive blow, it’s clear that it’s better than the BRDS. And then polish what remains of the aircraft - at least F-4.
  10. Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 December 2019 22: 59
    +2
    And when the Germans supplied submarines, they prescribed the requirement not to place nuclear weapons on them?
  11. Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 December 2019 23: 34
    -1
    winked Hinting mattress covers. And the fact that even a tactical one is used on this patch (this pipelatz is unlikely to pull another) nuclear weapons are akin to a crossbow, they can see them on the drum.
  12. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 6 December 2019 04: 29
    0
    Nobody wants to use nuclear weapons in response to a nuclear strike from Israel, I understand that Israel’s pro-Israel lobby is well aware that it’s better to lose some than lose everything. Therefore, Israel will be put in place, most likely quietly, perhaps even without the shedding of additional blood.
  13. anjey
    anjey 6 December 2019 04: 44
    0
    The American press wondered whether Israel would be able to turn its latest combat aircraft into an element of the nuclear triad.
    For strategic equilibrium in the world, give nuclear weapons, San Marino, Andorra and Liechtenstein laughing
  14. valeryb
    valeryb 6 December 2019 09: 34
    0
    Could it really be that if she lays, Israel will not use the F35 for a nuclear strike? Otozh.
  15. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 6 December 2019 16: 14
    -1
    And if the Israeli authorities want to equip these aircraft with nuclear bombs, then who can stop them from doing this?

    Yes, the problem is that since the time of its creation "Thank you" Iosif Visarionovich .. angry
    Here's another joke in the topic recently read:
    There are a lot of Jews in the world ...
    Why is Israel so small?
    Answer: This is their office !.
    This is the problem, alas, the world .. hi
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  17. Shahno
    Shahno 7 December 2019 19: 06
    0
    Quote: MMX
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Quote: Thrifty
    Israelis do not officially recognize their nuclear weapons made by South African physicists

    What a dreamer you are, my friend! This means that Jewish physicists in the United States created an atomic bomb, then other Jewish intelligence officers obtained documentation on the "Manhattan Project" for the USSR, then another Jewish physicist made an atomic bomb for the Union, and the Jewish state, it turns out, had to turn to South Africans for help ? fool As far as I know, the Israelis only tested their products in South Africa - they do not have their own landfills, the area is not that ... hi


    Slightly covered. Did you miss the medicine again?

    And in general, in the light of all that has been said. No need to offend Jewish physicists ..
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 7 December 2019 20: 02
      0
      Well, except for jokes.
      XNUMXth century Arthur Berson, Alfred Princeheim, German Minkowski, Karl Schwarzschild, Max Abraham, Lisa Meitner, Theodore von Karman, Harry Dember, Philip Frank, Beno Gutenberg, Leo Sylard, Immanuel Esterman, John von Neumann, Otto Robert Frisch, Edward Teller Robert Oppenheimer, Victor Frederick Weisskopf, Francis Simon, Herbert Frohlich, Kurt Mendelssohn, Arthur Schuster, Andrade Edward Neuville da Costa, Auguste Michelle Levy, Anatole Abraham, Ernst Julius Kogen, Paul Ehrenfest, Leonard Olimkarden Infernal Leonard Salonkarden Schlesinger, Casimir Faience, Samuel Abraham Gaudsmith, Pavel Zigmundovich Epstein, Robert Marshak, Norbert Wiener, Abe Silverstein.
      Or these. You definitely should have heard, precisely on our topic: Ioffe, Landau, Lifshits, Zeldovich ..
  18. Shahno
    Shahno 7 December 2019 19: 07
    -1
    Quote: Starper-777
    And if the Israeli authorities want to equip these aircraft with nuclear bombs, then who can stop them from doing this?

    Yes, the problem is that since the time of its creation "Thank you" Iosif Visarionovich .. angry
    Here's another joke in the topic recently read:
    There are a lot of Jews in the world ...
    Why is Israel so small?
    Answer: This is their office !.
    This is the problem, alas, the world .. hi

    The office is already half ..