On any technique. Jet mortars of the Nebelwerfer family (Germany)

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On any technique. Jet mortars of the Nebelwerfer family (Germany)

Jet mortar 15 cm Nebelwerfer 41. Photo Bundesarchiv / bild.bundesarchiv.de

Hitlerite Germany paid great attention to missile systems for the ground forces, and in the early forties several similar samples came into service. Successively developed and deployed several rocket launchers of the Nebelwerfer family. They were based on the same ideas and solutions, but had structural differences and different characteristics.

Family start


The prerequisites for the appearance of the Nebelwerfer rocket launchers (literally "Mist thrower") took place already in the mid-thirties. At that time, the development of barrel mortars for chemical shells was underway. Using this weapons It was proposed to install smoke screens or use chemical warfare agents. The use of high-explosive ordnance was not ruled out. In a few years, they created two "throwers of fog" of classic mortar architecture.




158-mm rocket for the Nebelwerfer-41. Figure Wikimedia Commons

At the end of the thirties there was a proposal to abandon the mortar scheme in favor of rockets. By that time, Germany had serious experience in the field of unguided missiles, and it was used in a new project. A full-fledged sample of weapons of this kind appeared in the very late thirties.

The first samples of the new weapon called the 15 cm Nebelwerfer 41 (15 cm Nb.W. 41) entered the army in 1940, shortly after the end of the French campaign. By the time of the attack on the USSR, Nebeltruppe units had received a sufficient number of rocket mortars and were able to test them in battles.

Towed and self-propelled


Product Nb.W. 41 performed in the form of a towed system on a wheeled carriage. Its main element was a block of six tubular barrel-guides with a caliber of 158 mm, arranged in the form of a hexagon. The design of the mortar launcher allowed horizontal and vertical aiming. The length of the product, taking into account the beds, reached 3,6 m, own weight - 510 kg.


Preparing for the shooting. Photo Bundesarchiv / bild.bundesarchiv.de

In the spring of 1943, the Panzerwerfer 42 combat vehicle went into series. It was a Sd.Kfz half-track armored personnel carrier. 4 / 1 with a redesigned landing compartment, which housed the launcher with 10 barrels. Such a vehicle was distinguished from the towed "Thrower" by large volley sizes and increased mobility, which also affected combat survivability.

For a jet mortar, turbojet shells of the 15 cm Wurfgranate 41 family were intended. These products had a tubular body assembled from several sections and intermediate sleeves. The head fairing was hollow. The front of the case contained a powder charge; in its walls there were oblique nozzles, providing a set of speed and promotion of the projectile around the axis. The tail compartment was given under the warhead - 2,5 kg of TNT, 4 kg of smoke-generating mixture or several liters of BOV. Grenades W.Gr. 41 had a length of not more than 1,02 m and a mass of not more than 36 kg.


Panzerwerfer, which became the British trophy, August 1944. Photo by Imperial War Museum / iwm.co.uk

The powder engine accelerated a jet mine to 340 m / s. The maximum firing range is 6,9 km. Due to design features and manufacturing deficiencies, significant dispersion could occur, impairing accuracy.

The Nebelwerfer-41 mortars were actively used from 1941 until the end of the war. In 1941-45 About 6300 launchers of two types were built and approx. 5,5 million shells W.Gr. 41. Such systems were used both for their intended purpose, for setting curtains, and as a means of enhancing the barrel artillery. As far as is known, shells with BOV have never been used in battles.

The weapon coped with its tasks, although it was not without flaws. In particular, the smoke trail and the characteristic sound during engine operation unmasked the position, which is why towed mortars were at risk. The recognizable sound of a running engine led to nicknames. In the Red Army, the German mortar was called "Ishak", in the armies of the Allies - "Screaming Mimi."


28 / 32 cm Nebelwerfer 41 settings on the march. Photo Bundesarchiv / bild.bundesarchiv.de

Increased caliber


In 1941, the “smoke forces” were armed with the 28 / 32 cm Nebelwerfer 41 mortar, which had a completely different architecture. Initially, such a system was carried out in a towed configuration, but then there were options for installing launch guides on different types of armored vehicles, both German and trophy.

Used high-explosive fragmentation shell 28 cm Wurfkörper Spreng. It had a main body with a warhead with a diameter of 280 mm and was equipped with a thinner shank with a powder engine. Such a product weighed 82 kg and carried 50 kg of explosive. The 32 cm Wurfkörper Flamm ammunition was also developed. He had a case with a diameter of 320 mm, weighed 79 kg and carried 50 liters of liquid load. In the event of a fall, the incendiary mixture or BOV were sprayed on an area of ​​200 sq.


Application of 28 / 32 Nb.W. 42 during the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising. Shooting is from the ground. In the background is an empty container from shells. Photo Bundesarchiv / bild.bundesarchiv.de

The powder engine accelerated shells of two types to a speed of 140-145 m / s. The high-explosive shell flew to a range of about 1920 m. The lighter 32 cm Wurfkörper Flamm had a range of 2,2 km.

The 28 / 32 cm Nebelwerfer-41 mortar was a towed system with a trellised package of guides for six shells. Also, as a launcher, a regular projectile capping laid on a support could be used. Capping was also fixed on military vehicles, this configuration of the launcher was called Wurfrahmen 40.

28- and 32-cm rockets were actively used on all major theater missiles. As with the previous system, in practice only high-explosive and incendiary ammunition were used. The 28 / 32 cm Nebelwerfer 41 mortar was different from the 158-mm system with a lower firing range, but with a higher projectile power. The advantage was the ability to mount the mortar on a self-propelled vehicle.


Rocket 30 cm Wurfkörper 42 Spreng. Figure Wikimedia Commons

Based on 28 / 32 cm Nb.W. 41 the 30 cm Nb.W system was created. 42 high explosive shell 30 cm Wurfkörper 42 Spreng. By its design, it looked like existing ammunition, but was distinguished by a more streamlined body shape. An 1,2 m long projectile weighed 127 kg and delivered 67 kg of TNT to a range of 4,5 km. The 30 cm Nebelwerfer 42 launcher was practically the same as the existing frame construction systems.

Five-barrel mortar


In 1942, another rocket mortar appeared, combining the features of previous models - 21 cm Nebelwerfer 42. The launcher included five 210-mm tubular barrels on a wheeled carriage. Later this mortar was rebuilt for use in aviation.


Product 21 cm Wurfgranate 42. Figure Wikimedia Commons

210-mm rocket W.Gr. 42 had a cylindrical body with a lively head. Product length - 1,25 m, weight - 110 kg. The fairing contained a warhead with 10,2 kg of explosive; other loads were not foreseen. The remaining volumes were given under the engine. The shell accelerated to 320 m / s and flew to 7,85 km.

In the interests of the Luftwaffe, the 21 cm Nb.W version was developed. 42 called Werfer-Granate 21 / Bordrakete 21 / BR 21. Missile 21 cm W.Gr. 42 retained the basic elements, but was equipped with a different fuse. Detonation was carried out at a distance of 600-1200 m from the launch point. The range of detonation was set before take-off carrier. Single-engine fighters of the FW-190 type could carry two tubular guides for missiles, heavier aircraft - up to four.

In the original role of the 21 rocket mortar, the cm Nebelwerfer 42 performed well. A volley of several installations covered a sufficient area, and a significant payload had the desired effect on the enemy. However, shortcomings remained in the form of low accuracy and accuracy.


Installing BR 21 in the guide on an airplane. Photo Bundesarchiv / bild.bundesarchiv.de

The BR 21 missile proved to be ineffective. The unguided missile was not very accurate, and preliminary guidance and launch from the required distance were too complicated and dangerous due to enemy return fire. As a result, missile weapons could not show sufficient effectiveness even in the fight against dense bomber systems.

Mist Throwers on the battlefield


German rocket launchers / multiple launch rocket systems were actively used from 1940 to 1945 to solve a number of basic tasks. Nebeltruppe units were responsible for setting the curtains and strengthening other artillery. In special cases, they had to use BOV - but it didn’t come to that. From a certain time, jet weapons were used by combat aircraft.


Wurfrahmen self-propelled jet mortar based on a half-tracked armored personnel carrier. Photo Bundesarchiv / bild.bundesarchiv.de

The most popular model of the family was the first serial mortar 15 cm Nb.W. 41. Other samples were made in a smaller series. The total release of launchers has reached several tens of thousands. The most massive were 158-mm rockets - 5,5 million units. The production of the rest did not exceed 300-400 thousand units.

Nebelwerfer systems were used mainly as rocket artillery to complement the barrel systems. In this role, they showed good results, but still did not have a decisive influence on the course of battles. The results of the use of jet mortars were affected by their insufficient number and some design problems. A volley of several installations with high dispersion did not give all the desired results. Also, in some cases, the power of a light warhead was insufficient.

Nebeltruppe units and their weapons actively participated in battles in all theater operations and generally coped with the tasks. However, usually they could not seriously influence the course of battles. Moreover, the systems of the family could not prevent the logical ending - in 1945 Hitler Germany, along with all the Nebelwerfer, was defeated. Including with the help of more advanced, effective and successful jet mortars.
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  1. +8
    15 December 2019 04: 19
    Our "Katyusha" with the "Andryusha" shell, their "Screaming Mimi" quail ...))) Thanks for the article!
    1. +11
      15 December 2019 05: 34
      We were also armed with the M-31 complex (Luke ......), the second word began with "m" for the characteristic shape of the shell! wink
      1. +6
        15 December 2019 10: 36
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        the second word began with "m" for the characteristic shape of the shell!

        Mil cholovik! Show me this "characteristic form" and no need to explain anything!
        1. +12
          15 December 2019 14: 08
          Mil cholovik! Show me this "characteristic form" and no need to explain anything!
          1. BAI
            +8
            15 December 2019 14: 58
            This is a German. And we are talking about ours.
            1. +5
              15 December 2019 15: 01
              And who is the "more characteristic" form?
              1. BAI
                +5
                15 December 2019 15: 02
                Back to the original question.
                We were also armed with the M-31 complex (Luke ......), the second word began with "m" for the characteristic shape of the shell! wink

                We, not the Germans.
                1. +3
                  15 December 2019 15: 05
                  I answered Vladimir on his comment "My cholovik! Show me this" characteristic shape "and no need to explain anything!" precisely as an example of a characteristic form, and not about "us" and "the Germans."
              2. +2
                15 December 2019 16: 06
                Different way of stabilization. They have high-speed stabilization, which consumes engine thrust, and, as a result, a shorter range compared to our PCs, where stabilization is due to the tail, and to compensate for defects in the nozzle manufacturing, the rotation of the order of several rev / s was applied to the projectile, the so-called " cranking ". There was no gyroscopic effect, in contrast to the German version, and the asymmetrical thrust was averaged, thereby increasing the accuracy.
      2. +2
        15 December 2019 15: 59
        That's right, Luke Tarpishchev.
      3. +1
        28 February 2020 21: 00
        I suppose the second word was ... fellow fellow fellow
        1. -1
          28 February 2020 22: 07
          There is such a thing!
    2. +10
      15 December 2019 08: 02
      On the contrary, ours has more dispersion, after the war they switched to TRS-BM-14, BM-24, BMD-20.
      1. +4
        15 December 2019 11: 23
        Quote: strannik1985
        after the war they switched to TRS-BM-14, BM-24, BMD-20.

        There was no complete transition. Experiments on imparting rotation to the PC by means of spiral grooves in the guides were started even during the Second World War. And the line from BM-8-SN and BM-13-SN to Tornado-S is quite visible

        Yes, there were experiments with TRS. But unfortunately, they were covered with the spread of the Grad. Unfortunately. Apparently, they thought that instead of an expensive TRS, it was better to rivet more shells for cannon artillery and mortars in order to cover short ranges. It was kind of like an attempt to revive the theme when working on "Grad-1", but it kind of stalled
      2. +2
        15 December 2019 16: 19
        Quote: strannik1985
        after the war they switched to TRS-BM-14, BM-24, BMD-20.

        Well, yes ... M-14, BM-24 were fired with turbojet projectiles ... but about the "turbo activity" of the "BMD-20" I don't remember something! Didn't the "4-charge" 200-mm launcher bang with "feathered" shells? what
    3. +1
      17 December 2019 23: 28
      There were nyans .... someone has a better range .. someone has accuracy
  2. 0
    15 December 2019 04: 43
    "Vanyusha" is not at all equal to our "Katyusha". Interesting stuff. Thanks.
  3. +10
    15 December 2019 05: 12
    Moreover, the family systems could not prevent a logical ending
    In fairness, the Germans did not consider them any kind of prodigy.
  4. +22
    15 December 2019 07: 33
    At that time, the development of barrel mortars for chemical shells was underway.

    So our "Katyushas" were created primarily for these same tasks.
    Including with the help of more advanced, effective and successful jet mortars.
    And here "everything is not so simple")))))
    Our "Katyushas" as a single installation were not the same, not the other, and not quite the third. German systems were more perfect, more accurate, and therefore more efficient. Another thing is that we have found a more correct solution for their use, that is, not single machines, but whole subdivisions and units. And that's exactly what we beat them with. Having a less accurate and less efficient system, we got a more efficient system for their use. This is exactly what the Germans lacked, in the same matter of repelling the Allied landing in Normandy. If they had a couple of brigades similar to our "guards mortars", on a wheeled chassis, using the excellent road network of France, it would be possible to transfer them to divisional divisions in the necessary areas at night and hit the bridgeheads from there, accuracy would not play any role there, so as the entire area of ​​the bridgehead and the sea around them was simply crammed with targets, a night strike, this is also a very strong psychological effect, the landing would be demoralized, and if at that time the Hitler Youth tank division also struck, then something tells me, that the Allies could refuse further amphibious operations. But, but ... the Germans went their own way and directly to HELL, and there they dear
    1. +2
      15 December 2019 09: 50
      "They" had enough in their heads. Only the resources were lacking. Check it out from any author. The limited production of gunpowder and explosives prevented Germany from massing the use of rocket artillery, since the use of a barrel gun was much cheaper.
      1. +2
        15 December 2019 16: 22
        Quote: pmkemcity
        The limited production of gunpowder and explosives did not allow Germany to massage the use of rocket artillery

        You can’t even imagine what kind of problems the USSR had with this, only a Lend-Lease saved us.
        But the Germans, having examined the captured Katyusha missiles, refused to copy them and the main criterion for refusal was the test results, which showed very low accuracy of these shells.
        1. +4
          15 December 2019 19: 06
          Everyone has their own problems. The Germans sent a lot of saltpeter to agriculture, remembering the reasons for the defeat in the First World War.
          Once again, the gloomy German genius could not understand Russian Ivan. It was pointless to deal with large dispersion in conditions of poor quality production of rockets and gunpowders. And the training of gunners at the initial stage suffered greatly. So this is the very dispersion, we put at the forefront, massaging the use of rocket artillery over areas.
          1. +4
            15 December 2019 19: 17
            Quote: pmkemcity
            So this is the very dispersion, we put at the forefront, massaging the use of rocket artillery over areas.

            And here you are not quite right. Look at the use of German systems, their mines fly to the target and detonate, in fact, one at a time, like an artillery shell. We, however, drew attention to the effect of "adding up the force of the explosion" with the simultaneous explosion of shells not far from each other, which is what the MLRS are now strong. That is why it was the mass use of Katyushas that turned out to be so effective ...
            1. -1
              16 December 2019 05: 44
              Mostly MLRS was used as the "final" part of an artillery offensive along the front line. This was due to the difficulty of reconnaissance of targets in the depth of the defense and the short range of the shells. I very much doubt the high effectiveness of these attacks.
              Unfortunately, operations such as the Orsha attack, over an open cluster of people and equipment, were obviously single and their mention is rarely found in the literature. MLRS with such artillery raids there is no alternative.
              The Germans mainly used artillery attacks and direct fire target suppression. This was facilitated by the advantage in instrumental reconnaissance, the organization of communications, the advantage in armor and optical devices of technology. The Germans used tanks and assault guns for their intended purpose and "direct fire" - to destroy the forward edge, artillery positions and control systems in the depths of the defense. This is exactly what we tried to achieve in the first half of the war with an artillery offensive, and only then, in the "breakthrough", tanks were introduced into the open field. Moreover, with these very tanks in the operational depth, the fight against enemy reserves without the support of the infantry did not develop very well. In addition, the Germans often managed to withdraw their units from the front line. Only by passing not to narrow breakthroughs, namely to crushing the enemy's defenses with heavy tanks and self-propelled guns (the main role still remained with artillery), the Red Army was able to switch from operations to encirclement (Stalingrad) to operations with parallel pursuit (Belorusskaya, Vistula-Oder) ...
        2. 0
          15 December 2019 21: 21
          But still, m-8 was copied for ss and produced
          1. Alf
            +2
            15 December 2019 21: 46
            Quote: Petio
            But still, m-8 was copied for ss and produced

            In fairness, it is worth saying about our copy of the German shell. In Leningrad, they released 280 mm caliber RS. It painfully resembled German.
            1. +1
              16 December 2019 03: 58
              Quote: Alf
              It painfully resembled German.

              The winner, as he wants, does his legitimate trophy. We want to copy, we want to throw it out
              1. Alf
                +1
                16 December 2019 19: 41
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Alf
                It painfully resembled German.

                The winner, as he wants, does his legitimate trophy. We want to copy, we want to throw it out

                It happened in the 42nd, then we were not the winners.
                The M-28 high-explosive projectile was created at the beginning of 1942 by NIAP employees on the basis of a German 28-cm high-explosive mine and a heavy projectile arr. 1940

                The body of the warhead of the M-28 shell was stamped from sheet steel 2-3 mm thick, and then welded. 45,4 kg of molten trotyl or 40/60 molten trotyl or ammatol was poured inside the casing and a so-called heavy projectile weighing 82 kg with a range of 1900 m was received. If the warhead was equipped with 30 kg of 80/20 ammatol by manual stuffing, then the projectile weight was 65 kg. and a flight range of 3000 m. (See Fig. 92)

                The threaded bottom of the warhead was screwed into the reactive part, made in the form of a thin-walled cylinder with a screw-on bottom — a nozzle in which there were 26 nozzle openings located at an angle to the axis of the projectile. A powder slug monoblock with seven longitudinal channels was placed in the housing of the reactive part. Checker weight 6,9 kg.

                The shells were transported one at a time in packing crates, from which they were fired. For firing shots, packing crates with M-28 shells were stacked on wooden or metal launching frames. In the first case, two drawers were placed on the frame, in the second - four. To avoid displacement and tipping over during firing, frames were attached to the ground using openers and stretch marks. Vertical guidance was carried out by moving the frame down along the supports having additional holes into which a bolt was inserted connecting the support with the frame.
                1. 0
                  17 December 2019 04: 15
                  Quote: Alf
                  The M-28 high-explosive projectile was created at the beginning of 1942 by NIAP employees on the basis of a German 28-cm high-explosive mine and a heavy projectile arr. 1940

                  That is, by the 42nd year, we already had this shell as a trophy.
                  1. Alf
                    +1
                    17 December 2019 19: 53
                    Quote: svp67
                    Quote: Alf
                    The M-28 high-explosive projectile was created at the beginning of 1942 by NIAP employees on the basis of a German 28-cm high-explosive mine and a heavy projectile arr. 1940

                    That is, by the 42nd year, we already had this shell as a trophy.

                    Yes. Moreover, what is interesting. M-28 was copied and launched into a series in Leningrad, but was not anywhere else. I wonder why ?
                    1. 0
                      18 December 2019 19: 52
                      Quote: Alf
                      M-28 was copied and launched into a series in Leningrad, but was not anywhere else. I wonder why ?

                      We need to look at the specific features of production. In the same Leningrad, until the 44th, they issued PPDs and only because of the peculiarity of the machine park
        3. +1
          7 January 2020 01: 17
          A little late, of course, but actually the Germans completely copied Katyusha shells (m-8) by slightly modernizing them. And they had at least 2 options for self-propelled guns with these missiles.
    2. +7
      15 December 2019 10: 58
      German systems were more sophisticated, more accurate, and meaning and effective
    3. 0
      15 December 2019 11: 22
      Some of our military commanders in their memoirs pointed out that rocket artillery was not taken into account when planning artillery preparation. That is, for the barrel artillery, the calculations of how many shells are needed and what caliber to hit the target were, but not for reactive, it turned out to be too inaccurate. In the conditions of entrenched enemy is more a means of psychological impact.
    4. 0
      15 December 2019 16: 10
      The captured samples of "Nebelwefers" were used by the Chinese and Koreans in the Korean War and showed low efficiency. Perhaps this happened due to the fact that the main captured weapons were produced at the end of 1944 - the first half of 1945, when the Germans had big problems with the quality of weapons.
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  6. +4
    15 December 2019 09: 16




    Cuba 2016
  7. +1
    15 December 2019 09: 23
    The lighter 32 cm Wurfkörper Flamm had a range of 2,2 kg. Correct)
    1. +2
      15 December 2019 13: 31
      What for? Everyone understood everything. Today, after all, voltage can be measured in watts, and the rules of the Russian language generally allow anything that your heart desires.
      1. Alf
        -1
        15 December 2019 21: 48
        Quote: iouris
        and the rules of the Russian language generally allow anything that your heart desires.

        One should not confuse the formation of the SOVIET period and the Russian “booby” ​​system.
        1. Alf
          -1
          16 December 2019 19: 39
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: iouris
          and the rules of the Russian language generally allow anything that your heart desires.

          One should not confuse the formation of the SOVIET period and the Russian “booby” ​​system.

          Looks like the exam victim dropped in ...
  8. +2
    15 December 2019 09: 28
    Grandfather "Grad".
    1. +4
      15 December 2019 11: 08
      Quote: Arzt
      Grandfather "Grad".

      Distant relative.
      Our experiments in this area with "Grad" ended. But the Chinese are still working with turbojets.
      1. +3
        15 December 2019 12: 47
        Quote: Spade
        Our experiments in this area with "Grad" ended. But the Chinese are still working with turbojets.

        And what do they work with? In my opinion, the Chinese have stopped developing MLRS with turbojet projectiles since the early 80s of the last century, after the Chinese seized the MLRS BM-21 "Grad" in Vietnam! Since then, new Chinese MLRS have been developed with "feathered" rockets ... Yes, "old" MLRS (ie, "under turbojet projectiles" ...) are still in service with the Chinese army, supplied and supplied to "other countries "... But in the Russian Armed Forces there are still here and there MLRS" for turbojet projectiles "(!) ... these are 82-mm PK-10/16, 140-mm A-22" Fire "!
        1. +1
          15 December 2019 12: 57
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          And what do they work with? In my opinion, the Chinese have stopped developing MLRS with turbojet projectiles since the beginning of the 80s of the last century, after the Chinese seized the MLRS BM-21 Grad in Vietnam!


          1. +1
            15 December 2019 15: 35
            But these are all "variations on an old song" ... request
            1. +2
              15 December 2019 16: 57
              Then the "city" can be declared "variations on the old theme".
              "Russia stopped developing MLRS with 122-mm RS since the mid-60s of the last century." And all these "Prims" - "Tornado-G" - simple "variations"
              1. +1
                15 December 2019 23: 45
                Quote: Spade
                Then the "city" can be declared "variations on the old theme".

                About "grads" and its "derivatives" - I do not argue! But this is not against my statement! Yes
        2. +2
          15 December 2019 13: 24
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          In my opinion, the Chinese have stopped developing MLRS with turbojet shells since the early 80s of the last century

          1. +2
            15 December 2019 16: 06
            I can add pictures ....

            Alas, the "picture" did not turn up showing the launch of a 107-mm eres from the ground without a launcher ... But again ... these are "variations on an old song"!
        3. +3
          15 December 2019 13: 30
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          In my opinion, the Chinese have stopped developing MLRS with turbojet shells since the early 80s of the last century


          1. +1
            15 December 2019 16: 40
            Now, if we mention the "latest" MLRS developments for turbojet projectiles, then we can only point to the DNR Cheburashka (64 "barrels", 217 mm ...)
  9. +6
    15 December 2019 10: 53

    hi ... Panzerwerfer / Nebelwerfer at work
  10. +2
    15 December 2019 10: 56
    28/32 cm Nb.W.41 (more precisely, ammunition ...) were made in the USSR and used by the Red Army ...
  11. +1
    15 December 2019 12: 04
    Here they are these MLRS
  12. +3
    15 December 2019 12: 06
    German more accurate
    1. +2
      15 December 2019 12: 10
      Quote: Misak Khananyan
      German more accurate

      Soviet is much cheaper.
      1. 0
        20 December 2019 15: 12
        That's exactly what CHEAP !!!
  13. +4
    15 December 2019 12: 45
    Kote pane Kohanka (Vladislav), dear, I in June 1978 from Alexei Mikhailovich Lebedev for the first time heard that "Luka M.ishev" is exactly a projectile for a 150 mm 6-barreled rocket launcher German mortar. From him I heard that the Su-76 is "Goodbye, Motherland." And the younger brother of Alexei Mikhailovich - Georgy Mikhailovich Lebedev immediately inserted that "they" called the Su-76 "Voentorg" behind the tarpaulin on top of the self-propelled gun deck ... Lieutenant Alexei Mikhailovich Lebedev fought in the Great Patriotic War from September 1942 to 19.11.1942/3/300 year as a platoon commander of M92L tanks in the 1942th battalion of the 6nd tank brigade in the Rzhev region and was seriously wounded.After the hospital, as a limited fit, he served in the Syzran tank school ... NKL-152 on Lake Onega, and ended the war in East Prussia as a mechanic - driver ISU-350 in 150 Guards SAP ... White nights are long in June, especially when you need more than XNUMX kg of freshly caught sorogi to clean up - wash, on trays from put pine shingles and put in an adobe stove that stands on the shore of a taiga lake under a canopy, lay it down and wait for the essence to be ready. What the brothers - front-line soldiers will not tell about, just listen ...
    1. 0
      15 December 2019 16: 14
      As far as I remember from the stories of veterans, "Goodbye, Motherland" was called a 45-mm anti-tank gun. However, it seems that not one of our weapons had such a name.
      1. +2
        15 December 2019 18: 33
        Quote: Aviator_
        As far as I remember from the stories of veterans, "Goodbye, Motherland" was called a 45-mm anti-tank gun. However, it seems that not one of our weapons had such a name.

        Father met Victory Day with a "forty-five", spoke very well of her.
        1. 0
          15 December 2019 18: 51
          Hammering machine-gun nests and pillboxes is one of a forty-five, if she accompanies the infantry, but fighting tanks, especially from the middle of the war, is a dead thing. It received the name Farewell Homeland in the first half of the war: "the barrel is long, but life is short."
          1. +1
            16 December 2019 23: 21
            The Su-76 in the troops was called in different ways: Columbine, Farewell to the Motherland, Nudibranch Ferdinand. It seems to be somehow, I do not remember already.
            1. 0
              20 December 2019 17: 41
              Quote: dmmyak40
              The Su-76 in the troops was called in different ways: Columbine, Farewell to the Motherland, Nudibranch Ferdinand. It seems to be somehow, I do not remember already.

              Yeah, about r ..... go Ferdinand - it definitely was! laughing
              1. -1
                21 December 2019 00: 32
                Remembered! "Box"
          2. 0
            20 December 2019 17: 50
            Quote: Aviator_
            Hammering machine-gun nests and pillboxes is one of a forty-five, if she accompanies the infantry, but fighting tanks, especially from the middle of the war, is a dead thing. It received the name Farewell Homeland in the first half of the war: "the barrel is long, but life is short."

            However, if you recall Balaton, the magpies were in the tank-hazardous directions. My father used to say such "joke": when the fascists launched an offensive, there was fog from the lake, it was not clear what kind of tanks were coming. From the sound of the motors, someone thought they were Tigers. Since everyone was already smart, the guns were thrown, the sights and bolts were buried in the sand. When the fog cleared, we saw something like Turan tanks. We returned to the cannons, brought them to a state and "came off" on the Hungarians in full. Like, they avenged their "cowardice" laughing
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          18 December 2019 21: 33
          So, I found my photo taken in Sevastopol on a 35 battery. It seems that this machine-gun bunker was broken by a magpie, which they managed to roll up to him from behind. Place of hit marked. Most likely, this is an episode in May 1944, when ours liberated Sevastopol.
  14. +4
    15 December 2019 13: 23
    Nikolaevich I (Vladimir), dear, I don't remember where in my childhood I read that our troops took 280 mm turbojet shells as trophies in the winter of 1941 near Leningrad, and in the amount of several hundred pieces. On the basis of these captured samples, the Bolshevik plant and one of the furniture factories in besieged Leningrad in 3 months launched the production of turbojet shells and guide frames for them. Since the characteristics of our and German gunpowders were different - the design of our shells was not an exact copy of the German ones, but our shells showed the same maximum flight range with the German ones - 1900 m.
    1. +2
      15 December 2019 15: 21
      Quote: Tests
      our troops took 280 mm turbojet shells as trophies in the winter of 1941 near Leningrad, pr

      Indeed, I also read such a story ... I don’t remember all the details ... perhaps the trophies went somewhere in the Vyborg region (... but, anyway ... we can say that near Leningrad ...). And, indeed, on the "basis" of these shells, they organized their "own" production! They called them "rocket mines" ... In addition to high-explosive 280-mm "mines", they also produced 320-mm incendiary ... hi
  15. +4
    15 December 2019 13: 58
    In a few years, they created two “throwers of fog” of classic mortar architecture.

    10 cm Nebelwerfer 35.
    1. +4
      15 December 2019 14: 03

      10 cm Nebelwerfer 40.
  16. +5
    15 December 2019 14: 23
    In the spring of 1943, the Panzerwerfer 42 combat vehicle went into series. It was a Sd.Kfz half-track armored personnel carrier. 4/1
    The semi-tracked conveyor was called Sd.Kfz. 4. And after mounting the Panzerwerfer 42 launcher on it, the machine received the designation 15 cm Panzerwerfer 42 auf Selbstfahrlafette Sd.Kfz.4 / 1.
    There was also an option based on the Schwerer Wehrmachtsschlepper - Panzerwerfer 42 auf Schwerer Wehrmachtsschlepper.
  17. +8
    15 December 2019 14: 51
    Also, the Germans in service with the Waffen-SS had an MLRS 8 cm Raketen-Vielfachwerfer.

    This is a German version of the Soviet BM-8 on the SOMUA MCG chassis. Ammunition Raketen Sprenggranate - a copy of the Soviet M-8, only the stabilizers are installed at an angle of 2 degrees.
    1. +3
      15 December 2019 15: 31
      Quote: Undecim
      German version of the Soviet BM-8 on the SOMUA MCG chassis. Ammunition Raketen Sprenggranate - a copy of the Soviet M-8, only the stabilizers are installed at an angle of 2 degrees.

      There was a case ... Just about the "copy" ... The Germans failed to "recreate" the identity of the Soviet "gunpowder", despite all their efforts ... By the way, the Germans also tried to create a "clone" of 132-mm Eres ... worked in this direction, but they failed again! Unfortunately, I don't remember the details ... you need to dig in your "archive" ...
  18. +5
    15 December 2019 15: 18
    ,,, tests were carried out on U-511.

    ,,, in the summer of 1942, tests the Schweres Wurfgerat 41 with 30-cm Wurfkorper Spreng 42 missiles mounted on the upper deck. The trials were successful. The shells were launched both from the surface and when submerged to a depth of 12 meters.



    U-511 was transferred to Japan on September 16, 1943 and became the Japanese submarine RO-500.
    1. +1
      15 December 2019 19: 53
      Is that from under the water? Interesting for what?
      1. +3
        15 December 2019 19: 56
        ,,, sailed to Manhattan
        and how banged laughing refused, because the guidance system was not accurate at that time.
  19. +1
    16 December 2019 08: 57
    Yes, they were noted on all the theater. Here is one from the Nevsky patch, washed in the forest in one of the post-war reclamation ditches.
  20. 0
    16 December 2019 11: 31
    "Mimi", it seems, was used in Korea.
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    1. +4
      16 December 2019 18: 13
      Quote: Chevrolet Camaro
      THE GERMANS FINALLY ATTEMPTED TO CREATE THEIR INSTALLATION FOR SHOOTING BY REACTIVE APPLIANCES; THEY EVEN BEEN ABLE TO TAKE ONE ROLLING TROPHIES BUT THIS GERMANS HAVE NOT HELPED SO LOCATED CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE TO YOU

      Too thick. smile

      In Mtsensk alone, the Germans in the fall of 1941 got at least 2 installations complete with a PC.
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    17 December 2019 10: 32
    they also forgot to add that it is the "howling" sound of the flying Wurfgranaten that appears in most of our military chronicles and films, as the voice acting of the Katyusha shooting.
    In fact, Katyusha, with her native sound of shooting, is so rare that I don’t even know ... is this some kind of conspiracy or what?
    In general, the sound is very similar to shooting from the Grad, the same "hiss", now I'll try to search for a video.
    1. 0
      17 December 2019 10: 45
      figs there wassat on all videos the voice acting from the "foggun"
      Found here:
      https://ipleer.com/q/залпы+катюш/
      that 30 seconds, a volley of "Katyusha" July 14, 1941 Orsha
  23. 0
    8 February 2020 10: 23
    "Chukchi is not a reader - a Chukchi writer" ... Dear Kirill! Sometimes re-read your articles before publication - there are a lot of repeating (within the meaning, of course) paragraphs