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Su-Xnumxcm. Overly expensive for Belarus

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Republic at the Crossroads



The situation around the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of the Republic of Belarus as a whole is extremely similar to that which we see in the example of other post-Soviet countries, in particular Ukraine. Among the patriots and nationalists (at least Ukrainian), the thesis that "Russia has taken the best for itself" is popular. But he only demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the essence of the issue. After the collapse of the USSR, the same Ukraine inherited 19 strategic Tu-160 bombers from 35 constructed vehicles, which included eight prototypes.

Even if the economy "bloomed", it is obvious that the country would simply not be able to keep them in combat-ready form. In turn, Belarus inherited from the USSR a large park of Su-27: expensive and redundant for a small state. Now Belarus no longer exploits them. But there are several dozen MiG-29, which form the basis of the Belarusian Air Force. At the moment, they are being upgraded to the MiG-29BM level: such an aircraft (at least on paper) can use the old Soviet-controlled weapon air-to-surface class, in particular, X-29 and X-25 missiles. In general, it turned out something between the fourth generation and the fourth generation with a plus (we apologize for such a pun). But the main minus of the MiGs in their current form is the resource. Soviet cars were never famous for this at all. Now the old fighters need to be changed for something.


First shipments


On August 18 of the current year, the bmpd Center for Strategy and Technology Analysis blog showed the first Su-30СМ fighters for the Republic of Belarus. “At the events of 17 on August 2019 of the year in Irkutsk on the occasion of the 85 anniversary of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAP, a branch of PJSC Irkut Corporation), the first two Su-30СM fighters built for the Belarusian Air Force and Air Defense were spotted on the territory of the enterprise,” wrote a blog.In the photo you could see the Su-30СМ with the tail number “01 red” (presumably serial number 10МК5 1607), as well as the aircraft with the serial number 10МК5 1608. the other hand after ser Dyukov’s gray-blue fighter jets, even such a quasi-Soviet style looks good. A kind of retro.

On November 13 of the current year, Interfax announced that the first batch of Russian Su-30СМ fighters arrived in the Republic of Belarus. “The first pair of Su-30СМ combat fighters from the planned twelve arrived in Belarus,” the military department of the Republic of Belarus said then. Recall that in the summer of 2017, Russia and Belarus agreed on the supply of four new “Dryers”: in all, Belarus should receive twelve such machines. Deliveries are planned to be completed in three years.


MiG vs Su


Perhaps it’s worth mentioning what new cars provide. Formally, the Su-30СМ is one of the newest Russian fighters, it made its first flight in the 2012 year. In practice, we are talking about a Russified version of the Russian-Indian (primarily, of course, Russian) Su-30MKI, which first took off in the 1997 year. For its time, the car was more than successful, which confirms the almost incredible by modern standards the number of cars delivered to India: now the country operates about 250 of such aircraft. For comparison, for all the time Sukhoi delivered only 24 Su-35С aircraft to foreign customers: China bought them for the AL-41Ф1С engine. And the fifth generation Su-57 has not yet been ordered at all by any other country in the world.

Recall also that at the end of the 90's, no one had a fifth generation, just as the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale of the 4 ++ generation were not in service. Therefore, a car with a good combat radius, high maneuverability and the N011 Bars radar with a passive phased antenna array looked really good.

But, it is worth repeating, it was then. Today Su-30СМ / MKI can hardly be called modern, which demonstrates the limited interest in it from the strong and wealthy countries of the world. The plane did not get into the famous Indian tender MMRCA at all, although there were no fifth-generation fighters and the rivals of Russia were the familiar Typhoon, Rafal, Gripen, as well as the American F-16 and F-18.


In the case of Belarus, the main alternative to Sukhoi was almost always seen the new MiG-29. Especially when you consider that its development in the person of the MiG-35 has advanced on-board electronics by Russian standards, in particular - radar with an active phased antenna array. What Su-30СМ (at least for now) does not have. However, 35 has its shortcomings and this, probably, in Belarus they also understand very well.

However, even with this in mind, far from Belarusians were ready to accept the Su-30 as the main fighter. Perhaps, Belarus’s independent socio-political newspaper “Free news. SNplus ”in a recent article“ Su-30 SM: counting money and asking questions. ” The author did not focus on the obsolescence of the machine, but on the fact that such an aircraft is excessively expensive to operate. At the same time, he draws a parallel not even with the Soviet MiGs, but with Western cars.

“The fact is that Soviet / Russian aviation Engines are traditionally inferior to Western ones not only in fuel efficiency, but also in turnaround and designated resources. The Polish Air Force simultaneously operates the Soviet twin-engine fighter MiG-29 and the American single-engine F-16. It is assumed that the American fighter flies off all 35 years with the same engine that was originally installed on it. Unfortunately, this does not work out with the MiG-29: eight engines will have to be replaced in the same period, ”writes Snplus.


Speaking specifically about the Su-30СМ fighter, according to the author, Andrei Porotnikov, one such machine will “eat” six AL-31FP engines in its life cycle. The high price of the machine itself should be added here: if the upgraded MiG-29 (but not the MiG-35!) Is relatively cheap for all its drawbacks, then the price of the Su-30MKI announced in open sources is 80 million dollars. That is, almost like the F-35A. “And now we summarize the price of machines, maintaining their suitability for operation and modernization. We get the amount from 185 to 210 million dollars for each (!) Car in the next 35 years. And the squadron, respectively, from 2,22 billion to 2,52 billion dollars. The amount is considerable, ”the author adds.


It is difficult to say how exactly these calculations are true, but there is a sound grain in these considerations. As in the thesis that the “dryers” have a combat radius that is excessive for the Republic of Belarus. Do not forget that the length of the country from north to south is 560 kilometers, and from west to east - 650. At the same time, the Su-30СМ fighter has a practical range of 3000 kilometers, and a combat radius of about 1500.

What is the result? You need to understand that everything has its own term. If earlier the Su-30 could be called a relatively modern machine, now it is not quite so. Moreover, the aircraft is quite expensive: both in nominal terms and in terms of operating costs. In this regard, Belarusian experts are absolutely right when they say that MiGs of a new construction or, say, the Swedish Saab JAS 39 Gripen, would be better suited to their country, despite their limited combat capabilities. In the end, it is unlikely that Belarus will fight with one of its neighbors.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 6 December 2019 05: 34
    +10
    The Su-30 may indeed not be as good as the author writes, but it allows, if necessary, to cover not only Belarus, but also the same Kaliningrad region of the Russian Federation and the "corridor" to it.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 6 December 2019 05: 50
      +28
      Quote: svp67
      The Su-30 may indeed not be as good as the author writes, but it allows, if necessary, to cover not only Belarus, but also the same Kaliningrad region of the Russian Federation and the "corridor" to it.

      What are you talking about ?! Old Man Lukashenko should have heard! But Old Man said clearly: "This is not our war!" ... Once he said ... he could blurt out another time!
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 December 2019 14: 58
        +2
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        "This is not our war!" ...

        Which of the wars? In Ukraine?
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Old Man Lukashenko had to be heard!

        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Old Man Lukashenko had to be heard!

        "Old Man" is a very emotional person, yesterday he said one thing, today another. But such purchases, I mean, such expensive and complex military equipment are not made like that. Decisions on their purchase were made "the day before yesterday". So, something like this
    2. Bar2
      Bar2 6 December 2019 08: 47
      +20
      there was already an article about it on fuel.
      Americans measure their engine in cycles, ours in hours. What a clock is, but cycles are take-off and landing. But then the cycle can be less than an hour. It is necessary to bring these characteristics to a common denominator.
      About the fact that in Poland f16 fly on one engine, and instantly29 changes the engines constantly, this is most likely a lie / propaganda.
      And by the way, engines do not change at the moment, but repair them, i.e. change the shoulder blades.
      1. Berber
        Berber 6 December 2019 09: 05
        +3
        Your comment is competent. Thank. But probably someone does not like your truth.
      2. Neznaika
        Neznaika 6 December 2019 09: 43
        -3
        "Most likely ... maybe ... or maybe not ... and not likely ..."
        Why are these fortunetelling?
        There are facts - bring.
        No, it’s better to keep silent.
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 6 December 2019 15: 47
        +12
        I wonder what engine can work - 35 years? the author generally saw a plane near? I can believe that the American engine is two times better than the Russian, but not three - definitely. Finally, since the author is a very distant person from aviation, I want to reveal a terrible military secret to him. If during the flight, not necessarily combat, the pilot brought the engine to the maximum operating conditions, then after the flight such an engine is removed from the plane (helicopter) and sent to the repair facility for a very detailed diagnosis and fault detection, even if we see no damage or deformation. Because when you re-enter the limit mode, a failure is possible.
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  2. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 6 December 2019 05: 55
    -6
    For Old Man Grippen or F-16 would look really very good. The possibilities are wide, and the cost is significantly lower.
    If you need to replace the MiG-29S, then the F-16 Block 60 is really a tasty proposition. But here the question is retraining and retraining for these machines. This is not a penny ...
    1. Uncle Izya
      Uncle Izya 6 December 2019 08: 25
      +10
      Belarus imposed sanctions, even sports cartridges need permission, and here airplanes
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 6 December 2019 10: 03
        -7
        Belarus imposed sanctions, even sports cartridges need permission, and here airplanes

        But the planes are not sports. This is a loophole.)
      2. Bar2
        Bar2 6 December 2019 11: 49
        +5
        Quote: Uncle Izya
        Belarus imposed sanctions, even sports cartridges need permission, and here airplanes


        who has permission? Do pin dos? We do not need their permission.
        1. Uncle Izya
          Uncle Izya 6 December 2019 12: 09
          +2
          C'mon, you just don’t know, the Bulgarians had to shamanize to repair their Su-25s in Baranovichi
    2. Professor
      Professor 6 December 2019 08: 55
      -1
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      For Old Man Grippen or F-16 would look really very good. The possibilities are wide, and the cost is significantly lower.
      If you need to replace the MiG-29S, then the F-16 Block 60 is really a tasty proposition. But here the question is retraining and retraining for these machines. This is not a penny ...

      Who will sell him bourgeois aircraft or, more correctly, "who will give"?
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 6 December 2019 10: 04
        -1
        Who will sell him bourgeois aircraft or, more correctly, "who will give"?

        No one. But who knows what will happen in five years? The world does not stand still.
      2. opus
        opus 6 December 2019 20: 02
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Who will sell him bourgeois aircraft or, more correctly, "who will give"?

        only Russians can sell / give
        example

        contract for the delivery to Croatia of F-16C / D Block 30 (Barak-1, delivered to Israel in 1987-1988 as part of Peace Marble 2), with a remaining resource of 3,000 flight hours, which will give the Croatian Air Force the life of these aircraft 25-30 years, based on 100 flight hours per plane per year, i.e. 1,200 hours a year for the entire park.

        In addition to the aircraft themselves, the contract includes:
        airplane simulator (some sources talk about 2 simulators);
        initial batch of weapons and spare parts;
        ground equipment and various tools;
        construction and adaptation of infrastructure for F-16;
        training of pilots and technical personnel, including the presence in Croatia of an instructor for training instructors;
        three years of technical support;
        personal equipment of pilots;
        transportation of aircraft and equipment to Croatia.
        All aircraft will be delivered to Croatia in 2020-2022. according to the following schedule:
        2020 - a simulator, one F-16C and one F-16D;
        2021 - five F-16Cs and one F-16D;
        2022 - four F-16Cs.


        this is what the "brothers" Belarusians need worth $ 493 million and there will be no whining about the "bad" Su-30SM
      3. VeteranVSSSR
        VeteranVSSSR 6 December 2019 21: 10
        -2
        But the `` chosen ones '' are given ...
        1. Professor
          Professor 7 December 2019 10: 25
          -1
          Quote: VeteranVSSSR
          But the `` chosen ones '' are given ...

          God's chosen. wink I ask you to be precise.
    3. sivuch
      sivuch 6 December 2019 09: 25
      +5
      For Old Man Grippen or F-16 would look really very good. The possibilities are wide, and the cost is significantly lower.
      Yeah, plus a complete replacement of the entire infrastructure, starting with training technical staff
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 6 December 2019 10: 05
        -2
        Yeah, plus a complete replacement of the entire infrastructure, starting with training technical staff

        Yes, I wrote it too.
        But here the question is retraining and retraining for these machines. This is not a penny ...
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 7 December 2019 18: 03
          +1
          That is why I would like Messrs. Minusers to express their point of view.
          1. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 7 December 2019 18: 15
            -1
            So the pros / cons affect the rating (shoulder straps), only. These are just pixels, so just ignore them.
            As with the minuses, that with the pros, you can write the same way, and this is the most important thing. The rest, as for me, is not important.
    4. PSih2097
      PSih2097 6 December 2019 17: 38
      +1
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      But here the question is retraining and retraining for these machines. This is not a penny ...

      here the replacement of the entire infrastructure of the Air Force of the Republic of Belarus (spare parts, weapons, retraining of pilots and technicians, other fuel and lubricants, etc.), because no one will remodel NATO aircraft under the standard of the Republic of Belarus (RF).
      All these are the wet dreams of the opposition.
      1. doctor_alex
        doctor_alex 7 December 2019 00: 32
        0
        And most importantly, the Old Man will need to filter the bazaar, as soon as something is wrong, that's all, bye bye spare parts, weapons, fuel and lubricants, after a year it's not planes but scrap metal. This is not GDP, which usually just smiles at you and includes the good old record about fraternal friendship and full understanding.
  3. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 6 December 2019 06: 18
    +2
    Yes, Belarus is unlikely to fight with any of its neighbors, Russia will fight for it!
    1. Pecheneg
      Pecheneg 6 December 2019 07: 34
      +11
      Russia will not fight for it, Russia will fight for its interests in Belarus. God forbid this happens.
    2. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 6 December 2019 07: 40
      +3
      Moreover, due to the small territory, one way or another it will be at war for a very short time.
    3. loki565
      loki565 6 December 2019 20: 30
      0
      This is the problem of our allies, no one can, or rather does not want to buy equipment, everyone is waiting for handouts gifts.
  4. Flooding
    Flooding 6 December 2019 06: 40
    +17
    It is assumed that the American fighter flies off all 35 years with the same engine that was originally installed on it. Unfortunately, this does not work with the MiG-29: eight engines will have to be replaced in the same period

    If the author of the article initially relies on false data and is not able to double-check the information that is in the public domain, and based on these premises he builds his arguments, then the article is in the furnace!
    1. Aleks1973
      Aleks1973 6 December 2019 07: 04
      0
      I wonder what huge fleet Su-27 got RB? One regiment? As many as 30 aircraft (the regiment also consisted of the MiG-29) ...
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 6 December 2019 09: 33
        0
        The Soviet regiment - this is 40 cars, taking into account UBeshek.
  5. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 6 December 2019 07: 39
    -7
    Belarus is not politically independent. She doesn't need a high-tech army at all.

    If you have your own aircraft repair plants, you can rape the corpse of Soviet fighters almost endlessly. Costs will be lower, but the effect is the same.
  6. Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 6 December 2019 07: 41
    +3
    Most likely, the author of the article is right - for Belarus the Su-30 in any modification has an excess aircraft. I think the most suitable aircraft for them is the upgraded MiG-29 (if you choose from Russian aircraft). The acquisition of the F-16, Saab JAS 39 Gripen or Typhoon from Rafal is also not profitable from the point of view of retraining pilots and technical personnel, as well as re-equipment and construction (or modernization) of the corresponding infrastructure.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 6 December 2019 07: 55
      +6
      I have only one remark for the author. To one of the first paragraphs:
      Among the patriots and nationalists (at least Ukrainian), the thesis that "Russia has taken the best for itself" is popular.
      I remember those times very well, because I myself was in the armed forces and it was in Ukraine.
      So this thesis sounded in relation to the section of the Black Sea Fleet. And there, indeed, Ukrovoyak was slightly cheated. And there were no such words for aviation. On the contrary, they reasonably understood that Tu nafig's "strategists" didn't need anyone and nobody could sell them for a cheap price!
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 6 December 2019 09: 11
        +2
        And they did it right. Judging by the fact that the fleet of Ukraine remains.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 6 December 2019 09: 17
        +7
        Our fleet fussed, but the rest was divided by postscript. Although all the bombers had to be taken away immediately, and even if not for operation, then for conservation, now we would have a decent pack of old cars for modernization. But what’s the catch, even what they took afterwards took gas into account. that is, the Ukrainians are well aware that they themselves do not need these planes, prefer to cut them, rather than transfer them to the state that sponsors them.
        1. igor67
          igor67 6 December 2019 12: 22
          0
          Quote: EvilLion
          Our fleet fussed, but the rest was divided by postscript. Although all the bombers had to be taken away immediately, and even if not for operation, then for conservation, now we would have a decent pack of old cars for modernization. But what’s the catch, even what they took afterwards took gas into account. that is, the Ukrainians are well aware that they themselves do not need these planes, prefer to cut them, rather than transfer them to the state that sponsors them.

          How was it to be taken? At the beginning of the 90s I went on a business trip to Uzin, took NK12 engines from that 95 for routine maintenance, the cars were new, recently driven, the flight crew was Ukrainians, the techies were from the nearest villages, who would overtake the cars?
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 6 December 2019 12: 25
            +1
            Business pilots from the Russian Federation, who else.
            1. igor67
              igor67 6 December 2019 12: 38
              +1
              Quote: EvilLion
              Business pilots from the Russian Federation, who else.
              children’s sculpts, excuse me, the car needs to be refueled, the car must be started, the same controller, or crash into a civilian car?
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion 6 December 2019 12: 41
                +4
                I did not understand, for you the task of driving equipment has become overwhelming? If such an agreement is reached, but they cannot be raised on the basis, then we are sending our staff. Although it is not very clear how in the beginning of the 90s specialists could have disappeared there. It’s not there now, and then several years have passed since the collapse of the Union.
                1. igor67
                  igor67 6 December 2019 12: 45
                  0
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  I did not understand, for you the task of driving equipment has become overwhelming? If such an agreement is reached, but they cannot be raised on the basis, then we are sending our staff. Although it is not very clear how in the beginning of the 90s specialists could have disappeared there. It’s not there now, and then several years have passed since the collapse of the Union.

                  You are not careful, the security of the airfield and all the staff are Ukrainians, who would let them hijack. Moreover, the cars were without fuel, only IL 76 flew for commercial purposes, these ILs seemed to be attributed to the Ryazan paratroopers during the Union
                  1. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 6 December 2019 12: 47
                    0
                    No one said to steal. The leadership of the Russian Federation should have demanded to transfer these machines, possibly with payment, if they don’t want to, as they demanded and took out nuclear weapons.
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 6 December 2019 12: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: EvilLion
                      No one said to steal. The leadership of the Russian Federation should have demanded to transfer these machines, possibly with payment, if they don’t want to, as they demanded and took out nuclear weapons.

                      So Ukraine proposed, only Comrade Yeltsin did not want to, but maintaining such cars and thousands of personnel is quite expensive, and at the same time very expensive
                      1. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 6 December 2019 12: 51
                        +2
                        Well, now there is money to make new sides. About contain, I said, it was necessary to preserve.
                  2. loki565
                    loki565 6 December 2019 20: 43
                    +1
                    Well, if you wanted to, then the aircraft carrier was withdrawn, and then surpass the planes, the question is that in the 90s they were not particularly needed by Russia.
    2. Uncle Izya
      Uncle Izya 6 December 2019 08: 31
      +3
      In Baranavichy, the Su-27-30 is being repaired and the Belarusian stork cruise missile is too tough for the Mig-29
  7. bober1982
    bober1982 6 December 2019 07: 49
    +9
    The article is ridiculous, like references to Mr. Porotnikov, a well-known Belarusian opposition blogger (an ordinary provocateur)
  8. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 6 December 2019 08: 10
    +12
    As far as is known, Belarus received airplanes at domestic prices, that is, a little more than $ 50 million per aircraft. $ 80 million is the cost of the SU 30MKI of the Indian assembly, the author, as always, did not go into details.
  9. 257950
    257950 6 December 2019 08: 15
    0
    Well, as for the engines, there is an AL-31F M2 option. Assigned resource 3000 hours
  10. Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 6 December 2019 08: 29
    +9
    that the country's length from north to south is 560 kilometers, and from west to east - 650. At the same time, the Su-30SM fighter has a practical range of 3000 kilometers and a combat radius of about 1500. Israel has a territory 10 times smaller than Porotnikov the Pole did not serve in the army. The whole Belarusian opposition is sponsored by Poland
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 6 December 2019 15: 32
      +8
      And Israel has an F-15.

      In general, a very strange statement about redundancy. The flight range of the Su-30SM is 3000 km, but this is the ferry range without PTB. If you fly back and forth, then 1500 km, but:
      1) We still need to hang weapons on the plane. This reduces range.
      2) The plane flies to the target according to the plan of attack, which may include bypassing certain zones, and not in a straight line.
      3) The aircraft can fly at low altitude, where the range is lower.
      4) The plane in battle is not zero time.
      5) Interception or, conversely, a quick exit from the battle will require the inclusion of afterburner, and this increases fuel consumption by 3.5 times at least with an increase in thrust of one and a half times.

      So I see no reason to believe that for the Su-30SM, taking off with a missile suspension of 8 to intercept even a subsonic target, the available fuel supply is excessive. In training flights, you can simply underfill.
      1. Bar2
        Bar2 7 December 2019 07: 05
        +3
        Quote: EvilLion
        The flight range of the Su-30SM is 3000 km, but this is the ferry range without PTB. If you fly back and forth, then 1500 km, but:
        1) We still need to hang weapons on the plane. This reduces range.


        Well, it’s not right. The airplane is calculated with a full load, i.e. Su30 takes 8 tons of weapons and flies at 3000 km.
      2. max702
        max702 7 December 2019 09: 03
        +1
        Quote: EvilLion
        so I see no reason to believe that for the Su-30SM, taking off with a missile suspension of 8 to intercept even a subsonic target, the available fuel supply is excessive.

        Nonsense about the redundancy of the SU-27 family comes from the apologists for the MIG-29 aircraft .. The database of these machines has put everything in its place .. Another trouble is that the MIG-29 \ 35, with some kind of fright, is considered a "cheap" car, although reasonable prices Nobody ever voiced it, and the SU family came out cheaper for use during the entire flight period due to the greater resource of both the airframe and the aggregates .. They also categorically do not like to consider the consequences of raznosoritsy in types of weapons, namely, it will devour any cheapness of the same type of equipment! Su is better than Mig in all respects? Yes! More expensive (sort of like) by 20% so what? training of technicians and pilots, one spare parts and service tools, one range of ammunition, and at the same time a LARGE series that again reduces the cost of EVERY unit, a single tactics for the OBD. And what do we see in the end? A much more advanced machine in the absence of a smut with a raznosortitsa in the troops, the cost is almost equal in comparison with a less combat-ready machine with completely different design, provision, training and tactics of use .. Why? To support the Mikoyan Design Bureau, which degenerated 30 years ago? And nothing that will harm the country's defense? What are the advantages of the two types of aircraft? Price? Duc her especially not! Download production? But this is solved by other methods, and not to the detriment of the country's Armed Forces.
  11. Lelik76
    Lelik76 6 December 2019 08: 33
    +11
    The author, if not at all in the subject, would be better off not writing anything. He simply does not know about the cost of maintenance and engine life, as well as subsequent thorough repairs such as foreign aircraft. And comparing the Su-30SM with the Su-30MKI of the early 2000s is nonsense. I have been working with these machines since 1997 and I understand very well what are these different machines inside (and not a comparison of the appearance of a glider), unlike the author who refers to it is unclear who. Moreover, in Belarus in Baranavichy there is a working ARZ that will calmly make a cap. repairs and necessary modernization, including for these machines, and has the appropriate technology, equipment and competencies.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 6 December 2019 09: 24
      +5
      I don’t know how much the author has in the subject, but the person to whom he refers Andrei Porotnikov to put it mildly amateur amateur. It has nothing to do with military aviation, nor does it know all the details of the agreement on the supply of Belarus Su-30.
      In addition to making a little scandal, I do not see the point in this article.
  12. thinker
    thinker 6 December 2019 08: 47
    +3
    Expensive, redundant ... But what about 34 F-35s worth $ 6,53 billion for the Belgian Air Force, which "is unlikely to fight any of its neighbors." There was an economy option, but they refused
    we tried to come to an agreement with the Russian Federation to assist us in solving this complex and very costly task. In exchange, we received an offer to deploy a Russian air base on our territory.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 6 December 2019 09: 09
      +5
      Damage analysis of flawed stuffing.
  13. EvilLion
    EvilLion 6 December 2019 09: 13
    +3
    The Chinese will take the engines from the Su-35S and install them on their own. The author himself is not funny? But the Su-35S can take 2 PTBs, the Su-27 simply does not have such a function, which means it can get some disputed islands there. Although it is also somehow small. Most likely, the slanting brothers forever simply want to join the good, since they have their own only on the pages of "Zhimin Daily", or whatever it is called. The Su-30MKS could not get into the MRCA, since this is a tender for a lighter class. As a result, the MRCA practically failed, and the Su-30MKI serve.

    Soviet / Russian aircraft engines are traditionally inferior to Western ones not only in fuel efficiency, but also in turnaround and designated resources


    Is there any way to see fuel consumption at least on Wiki? And what kind of engines for combat aircraft is Europe doing now, which are better than ours? On motors, the situation is as follows: USA, Russia, the EU, Europe simply does not offer anything in the AL-41F class. The Chinese will be tormented for another 50 years, because without a series of thousands of aircraft they will not debug a damn thing.

    It is assumed that the American fighter flies off all 35 years with the same engine that was originally installed on it.


    If the plane flies 200 hours a year, then in 35 years it will be 7000 hours. Even the most durable engine parts will not provide such a resource. Motor 2 times completely replaced.

    then the price of the Su-30MKI announced earlier in open sources is $ 80 million


    But the RB receives the Su-30SM for its rubles at domestic Russian prices. No, for God's sake, let them take the "flu", they will immediately lay out so much that the Su-30SM can be bought and operated for 20 years with this money.

    In general, the Republic of Belarus itself could well have applied for the purchase of the MiG-29SMT, which is now being supplied to Egypt, or to fit in with the MiG-35, it is obvious that RSK MiG, having received a contract of machines for 30 cars and finances would have significantly accelerated, could get out of the situation in which he found himself when there is a Su-35S, which, although more expensive, but steeper and has already been completed, fought, and the MiG-35 has been finished for more than one year to the same level. But this money is necessary, it is strange that Rygorych did not demand "drying" completely free of charge, otherwise he ... But HZ, that he, he got it already to go west.

    If RB wants, then ours, I think, will gladly sell it the MiG-29SMT even out of stock. At least 10-year-old Algerian cars, in connection with the re-equipment of the 14th IAP on the Su-30SM. By the resource, these MiGs will survive the Old Man, and there you look and just quietly close the Lithuanian independence.
    1. Uncle Izya
      Uncle Izya 6 December 2019 09: 17
      -1
      So Egypt has already lost 2 instant and their pilots in Russian universities are learning to have something to compare
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 6 December 2019 09: 36
        +5
        And the 14th IAP in 9 years has not lost a single car. Well, and who is the Arab?
        1. Uncle Izya
          Uncle Izya 6 December 2019 09: 55
          -1
          Belarusians lost 2 aircraft in a short time
  14. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 6 December 2019 09: 36
    +1
    It is assumed that the American fighter flies off all 35 years with the same engine that was originally installed on it. Unfortunately, this does not work out with the MiG-29: eight engines will have to be replaced in the same period. ”

    And whoever knows the features of routine repairs of F-16 engines? Maybe for the 35 years that the plane flies, only the body with the plate on which the serial number is embossed remains from the original engine. Americans are famous for such things. From a ship or aircraft as a result of an enemy strike, only a charred skeleton remains, but it is not counted as destroyed. A few more years to be included in the composition does not yet fit the time of its planned deduction by age or moral obsolescence.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 6 December 2019 10: 01
      +3
      In combat conditions, they can write off on the trail. same day. The question may be in the ambiguity of the status, but in practice they prefer to finish the abandoned ship, but after the dullness, the questions are removed. Although "Belknap", which was outdated at the time of combustion, and which could have been written off with a light heart, having built a new ship according to the present. project, restored according to watered. considerations. But to make a new glider for an airplane, that is, in fact, a new airplane and pass it off as a repair, is easy.
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 December 2019 09: 45
    +1
    I also do not understand why ..... maybe it's a disguise of the Russian Su30cm ..? And so you need a lightweight universal fighter like Grippen or FT17. Fully compatible with Russian weapons systems and information exchange. But we don’t have that.
    1. Uncle Izya
      Uncle Izya 6 December 2019 09: 56
      0
      Maybe Russia has a large territory and Su planes have a longer flight duration?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 6 December 2019 12: 11
        -1
        We simply do not have money .... and the MiG Design Bureau survived the collapse of the USSR badly and only now the release of the "new" MiG35 will begin, and there is no replacement for it ...
  16. letinant
    letinant 6 December 2019 09: 58
    +4
    Why reprint an article from a Polish newspaper into Russian? The article is superficial, but this line just put me in a stupor: "It is assumed that the American fighter flies all 35 years with the same engine that was originally installed on it." Is this an expert opinion ?! If you write as a specialist, please, refer to technical literature. Leave the words of Lukashenka, texts from newspapers in Belarus and Poland to yourself. The article is worthless.
  17. Aleks1973
    Aleks1973 6 December 2019 10: 29
    0
    Quote: EvilLion
    The Soviet regiment - this is 40 cars, taking into account UBeshek.

    There is a mixed regiment with the MiG-29, so consider ...
  18. Vita vko
    Vita vko 6 December 2019 13: 25
    +3
    In the end, it is unlikely that Belarus will fight with one of its neighbors.
    This is a key phrase, the essence of which boils down to the fact that Belarus is not going to fight at all, in principle, and it does not need an army or expensive weapons. The KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are enough to keep the power of the "father". It is the United States that can demand from its allies compulsory defense spending from 2 to 4% of GDP. While all the CSTO countries, including Belarus, spend less than 1% on defense. The question is, why are there allies who, even in words, rarely support Russia in the UN, not to mention something more like the recognition of the statuses of Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Crimea?
  19. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 6 December 2019 14: 41
    +2
    And the countries of the former USSR patients with Russophobia are excessively expensive and useless for the Russian Federation
    1. Uncle Izya
      Uncle Izya 6 December 2019 17: 16
      +1
      So, for example, if Russia breaks off diplomatic relations with the Baltic countries and does not let all kinds of airplanes pass through its territory, cargo will decrease
    2. iouris
      iouris 7 December 2019 11: 59
      -2
      Quote: Sapsan136
      And patients with Russophobia of the country of the former USSR

      Russophobia inside the Russian Federation is above the roof. By the way, the Russian Federation is a "country of the former USSR". Historically, all this taken together is Russia.
      1. Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 7 December 2019 14: 14
        +1
        ALL Russophobia in the Russian Federation from patriots of foreign states lost in the Russian Federation
  20. iouris
    iouris 6 December 2019 14: 51
    -2
    Everything is relative. Belarus has a choice: if you go to the left, you lose the horse, to stand still - you lose everything, etc. You have to choose. And the choice of aircraft depends on the main choice. Buridanov donkey could not make a choice of two carrots and died.
    As for the operational qualities of Soviet aircraft, they are known to be inferior, so to speak, for well-known reasons. It was clear as God's day before and after the purchase and delivery of aircraft.
    1. Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 6 December 2019 17: 26
      +1
      On the account of what is inferior to whom, the issue is very controversial ... Judging by the tanks Abrams and Leopard-2 burned down in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, all the praise for these tanks is just an empty advertisement, praise of ourselves and praise of the cuckoo with a cock from Krylov’s famous fable .. I'm not talking about such masterpieces as the F-104, which have gained a reputation for flying coffins and have caused a terrible corruption scandal in NATO
      1. iouris
        iouris 6 December 2019 17: 49
        -2
        Quote: Sapsan136
        the question is very controversial ...

        Read more carefully what my post is about: only about performance, not about all. This is what the "critics" from Belarus point to.
        1. Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 6 December 2019 20: 24
          +1
          And the operation is the price of maintenance, training of technicians and pilots, and here the difference in what and how much to pay is tangible, and the performance characteristics are also the operation, because a bunch of F-104s just crashed due to high landing speed and other jambs ... and the death aircraft, it is also the cost of buying a new plane, or even new pilots and eliminating the consequences on the ground ...
    2. Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 6 December 2019 17: 47
      -4
      As for everything else, Russia who does not need to think about who should sell itself to Russia in such a situation ... It’s simpler to form another army in the Russian Federation and feed it (it will not betray) than to feed the self-proprietors, who have either a hut from the edge or worse
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  22. tima_ga
    tima_ga 6 December 2019 22: 49
    -2
    Here, as they say, take it for now and don’t look for good ... And we are talking about air defense of the entire union state, and the figures on the number of engines and the cost of aircraft in the article are given without reference to sources.
  23. Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 7 December 2019 20: 13
    0
    F-16, Rafal ... with service staff, on credit ... So after that, the planes will not be needed ... There will be nobody to buy.
  24. 1536
    1536 7 December 2019 23: 37
    0
    Everything is clear with Belarus. And extra information about the next humiliation of Russia is not needed.
  25. Lekz
    Lekz 21 January 2020 23: 17
    0
    As I understand it, Old Man’s roll-over for integration with Russia continues. Wrong border guards, oil at prices higher than world prices, now expensive Su. We stock up on popcorn. To be continued. Wangyu, in the end there will be a high cost of land near Rostov.
  26. Topol M
    Topol M 28 January 2020 16: 56
    0
    Everyone wants a freebie and airplanes and oil, but poorly integrates into the Union! Today went through agriculture in the Vitebsk region, losses of 10 billion rubles in Belarus!