Bullet in the bubble. Supercavitating ammunition from Norway

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Bullet in the bubble. Supercavitating ammunition from Norway

Now you can’t hide under water


Until now, there has not been a universal solution to the problem of using rifle ammunition in water and air environments. If we take the domestic APS submachine gun (special submarine submachine gun), then for all its indisputable advantages, it is not best suited for shooting in the air. Also, a special machine is not particularly effective when firing in the direction "air - water surface".

Long spoke-shaped bullets do not preserve the direction of movement when they hit the water, and sometimes even collapse. On large ammunition, the problem is solved by creating a cavitation bubble from water vapor, which significantly reduces resistance to movement in the water column. The most famous serial embodiment of this idea was the VA-111 Flurry rocket torpedo, which is driven by a jet engine. Of course, there is a lot of noise from such a device, but the ammunition moves underwater very quickly - more than 300 km / h (this is on average in 6 faster than a conventional torpedo), which seriously complicates the enemy’s retaliatory measures. By the way, the effect of cavitation itself initially brought engineers only a headache. Cavitation cavities formed during operation on the propellers of ships forced developers to create complex shapes of the surfaces of the blades that are as resistant to the harmful phenomenon as possible. For warships and submarines, cavitation creates another problem - the excessive unmasking noise of the propellers. A side effect of studying the hydrodynamics of cavitation was the discovery of the “steam bubble” effect, which markedly reduced resistance to movement in water.




Shooting underwater targets with classic bullets is ineffective

In the Norwegian office, DSG Technology has developed special bullets that are not afraid of encountering a water barrier or are generally capable of working only in the water column. To realize the idea, firstly, a high specific density of the bullet was required - this was dealt with using a tungsten carbide core, which, of course, seriously increased the cost of each shot. Secondly, the special shape of the bullet toe allows you to create a vapor bubble in the liquid medium that is denser than air, which reduces resistance. This was demonstrated not only in water, but also on the example of several blocks of ballistic gelatin.


Video clearly demonstrates the helplessness of classic ammunition in the aquatic environment


The same world record - a super-cavitating bullet pierces 4 meters of ballistic gelatin

If the experimenters were not foolish with a powder charge, then the supercavitation bullet of the 7,62x51 DCC X2 cartridge was able to break through the record 4 meters of gelatin. This is 5-6 times the result of a conventional rifle cartridge.

CAV-X and others


Using the effect of supercavitation in the interests of gunshot and cannon weapons is not exclusively a Norwegian find. The Norwegian-Finnish company Nammo developed the Swimmer 30 mm munition (APFSDS-T MK 258 Mod 1) a few years ago for the United States Navy. The main objective of this weapon is the operational destruction of attacking torpedoes, or mines floating in the water column.


SuW Weapon Modules with 30-mm artillery mounts General Dynamics Mk 46 Mod. 2 on the lead "littoral warship" of the US Navy LCS 1 Freedom. Placing these 30-mm gun mounts on LCS ships clearly speaks of ensuring maximum declination angles, which makes it easier for artillery guns to solve anti-torpedo protection tasks)


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Demonstration of killer power Swimmen

A barrage of automatic fire being fired from a SuW ship weapon module with the 30-mm artillery General Dynamics Mk 46 Mod. 2, will allow with a certain degree of probability to hit an underwater high-speed target. As an option, the Swimmer cannon with floating ammunition can be mounted on helicopters and successfully used to combat submarines. For this, the shell has everything: a high initial speed of the order of 1 km / s, a super-cavitating toe and a tungsten carbide core. On average, the reach of objects under water by foreign experts is estimated at 250 meters, which corresponds to the near anti-torpedo defense zone. In the United States, plans were considered for equipping similar ammunition and ground equipment involved in the protection of coastal areas, as well as important waterways.


















Norwegian DSG Technology offers a wide range of super-cavitation ammunition


In the application to small arms, engineers from DSG Technology offer a whole range of ammunition from 5,56 mm to 12,7 mm under the general name CAV-X. Naturally, the penetrating ability in the aquatic environment progressively decreases with a decrease in caliber - for 12,7 mm - 60 meters, for 7,62 mm - 22 meters, and a 5,56-mm "floating" bullet is able to reach the enemy at a distance of 14 meters. At the same time, I repeat, the bullets are quite ready to work in the air. Currently, the US Special Operations Command is testing two modifications of the CAV-X supercavitation bullet at once - X2 and A2. In the first case, the ammunition is more versatile and sharpened for firing from the air at underwater targets. Much less than a traditional bullet, it is capable of ricocheting off the water surface at sharp angles of attack. A2 is more suitable for special forces scuba divers and is adapted for spearfishing for saboteurs, drones and attack viewing devices of underwater manned vehicles. At the same time, no special training for small arms is required - I loaded "floating" Norwegian cartridges into the store, and forward, under water. Naturally, none of the bosses of DSG Technology reveals the design details of such an effective bullet. In addition to the special shape of the toe, it is quite possible that the designers foresaw the possibility of using the powder gases of the shot. The bullet seems to be equipped with a miniature gas generator, which allows creating a steam bubble at the initial stages of movement in water. This idea was expressed on the popularmechanics.com portal, but it is not known how true it is.

Among the "side" effects of floating bullets from Norway, one can distinguish good armor penetration due to the carbide core and high penetration. We can say that the CAV-X is a kind of humane weapon of the XXI century. Everyone probably remembers the scandals in the second half of the last century related to the high invasiveness of the 5,45 mm and 5,56 mm calibers. The bullets in human flesh began to rotate furiously, then crumble into separate fragments - all this, together with high speed, left terrible wounds. There were attempts, even legislatively at the international level, to prohibit the use of such doom-doom analogues. But billions were already invested in the development of production, and ammunition remained in the arsenal. Largely for this reason, the classic bullets are so helpless against underwater targets - the bullet “thinks” that it has hit the body and begins to rotate. Supercavitating CAV-X are deprived of these advantages and will easily and easily pass the enemy through, or maybe even those standing behind will be hurt. It is clear that the stopping effect of such bullets (especially in the performance of 5,56 mm) is small. At the same time, the CAV-X turned out to be expectedly effective against targets protected by a layer of sand or other porous material - bullets do not change the trajectory of movement and are able to break through a couple of bags without catastrophic energy loss. It is possible that large-caliber bullets will be able to effectively penetrate sand-filled gabions, variants of which are already entering the Russian army (in particular, they are being tested in Syria). Another signal from far abroad that makes you think.
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  1. +2
    5 December 2019 05: 53
    And for the price, at the moment, is the game worth the candle? On the one hand, such ammunition is needed, but sophisticated in production, using taxic metals (and tungsten, or rather, its carbides have high toxicity)! lunch uranium - all good, except at a frantic price, but natural radioactivity? ??
    1. +6
      5 December 2019 07: 28
      I think in special forces will be able to afford these ammunition. But you must admit - technically the idea is good, and the execution could be solved!
    2. +3
      5 December 2019 10: 27
      There are many and unnecessary. And at the cost of the enemy having it, the lives of our special forces soldiers will turn out to be.
      After all, no one argues that AK is the best automatic price / quality. And the machine is 20% better and will cost 15 times more. So it is with all equipment. It may be better and insignificantly, but it costs several times more. But from such "better" and the advantage is formed, all other things being equal.
      1. 0
        5 December 2019 14: 59
        Well, not 15 times, but rather 2 times more expensive. and it’s the old one where there is more stamping and no bars.
    3. +1
      5 December 2019 13: 50
      Depleted uranium has less radioactivity than natural uranium (ore). The main harm of depleted uranium is in that dust generated after a bullet (shell) hits the lungs! But it’s much more harmful in this ASBESTOS RELATIONSHIP!
      1. +5
        6 December 2019 02: 41
        He lived for a long time in the cities of Dzhetygar and Ak-Dovurak. Asbestos is harmful if it is short-fiber (I saw about a dozen varieties of it). And if they breathe near a roar (such a grinding machine) without a respirator. Everything else is the notion of green demons (such as Knauf). There is no asbestos in Germany, there is gypsum;) Silicosis is easier to pick up in a coal mine.
    4. Fat
      +4
      6 December 2019 02: 07
      Quote: Thrifty
      And for the price, at the moment, is the game worth the candle? On the one hand, such ammunition is needed, but sophisticated in production, using taxic metals (and tungsten, or rather, its carbides have high toxicity)! lunch uranium - all good, except at a frantic price, but natural radioactivity? ??

      Toxicity Tungsten carbide is chemically inert, therefore products made of it are not harmful to humans under normal conditions. The lethal dose of tungsten carbide for humans has not been determined. Wiki
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  3. +22
    5 December 2019 07: 35
    Something I do not understand hype around these cartridges?
    Ours created this more than 10 years ago, plus a machine for it.
    PSP cartridge (cartridge for firing under water PSP with a tungsten alloy bullet)
    ADS assault rifle (a Russian rifle-grenade launcher system designed for bullpup layout and designed to replace APS and AK74M assault rifles in special units of the Russian Navy)

    And the author generally compares the old APS with its long bullets with the "new" from Norway
    "Long spoke bullets do not preserve the direction of movement when they hit the water, and sometimes even collapse."
    1. +2
      5 December 2019 15: 00
      Well, they advertised so little, and no one showed the video from the tests)
    2. 0
      5 December 2019 23: 50
      I am joining. By the way, APS bullets also use an air cavity.
      And all these / diving / shells really do not like the border of environments.
      And for the fight against underwater targets at short distances, the best tool is PDSS granotomes.
    3. -1
      6 December 2019 09: 22
      Quote: Setavr
      Something I do not understand hype around these cartridges

      Because the result is better for them. Look at the radii and compare them with mathematical functions ... all sorts of logarithms and other "fornication" that can and should be loaded into the CNC.
      They showed you everything, didn’t hide anything, there aren’t any miracles there, ordinary Euler and Perelmanov’s mathematics.
    4. 0
      7 December 2019 02: 03
      Quote: Setavr
      Ours created over 10 years ago

      PSP cartridge has a bullet - a nail. Norwegians, it seems, have created a super-cavitating ordinary a bullet.
    5. 0
      9 December 2019 18: 23
      Quote: Setavr
      Ours created this more than 10 years ago, plus a machine for it.

      ours are significantly inferior in performance characteristics
      ahead we were "yesterday"
      and today - alas ...
  4. +15
    5 December 2019 08: 18
    5,45x39 / PSP
    Special underwater cartridges PSP

    Psp
    Bullet diameter: 5,6-0,04 mm
    Cartridge weight: 21,1 g
    Cartridge Length: 57,0-0,05 mm
    Average bullet weight: 14,6-16,0 / 7,5-8,0 g
    Gunpowder brand: SENF 45 / 3,98
    The average mass of the powder charge: ~ 1,0 g
    Muzzle velocity: 333-430 m / s
    Maximum powder gas pressure: 3000 kg / cm2
    Average accuracy R50 at a distance of 100 m: no data
    Developer Index: PSP, PSP-UD, PSP-U
    In 2005, a team of designers of the State Unitary Enterprise KBP and its branch TsKIB SOO developed a special underwater cartridge PSP for a two-medium automatic machine gun

    To the author - note
    1. +7
      5 December 2019 12: 29
      Russian super-cavitating bullets PSP (with a tungsten alloy tip and a bronze tray) and PSP-UD (from bronze) have an elongated cylindrical shape with a powder gas seal made of glass-filled polyamide


      The cylindrical-shaped bullets PSP and PSP-UD with a shutter were developed in 2005 and are currently significantly inferior to modern CAV-X bullets without a shutter in the kinetic energy stored during overcoming water, gelatin or soil barriers.
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      2. +2
        5 December 2019 21: 58
        The network has no data on the kinetic energy of the CAV-X bullet. The data on the firing range, announced by the developer, but it is not written anywhere at what depth they were made. So to say that this bullet is superior to PSP is at least premature.
        1. +1
          5 December 2019 23: 50
          Seeing the dimensions and knowing the material of bullets (tungsten alloy) CAV-X, we can definitely speak about their mass and speed - tens of grams and transonic speed.
          1. +1
            6 December 2019 00: 04
            You don’t see the exact dimensions, even knowing the alloy, it’s difficult to determine the mass of the bullet, and even more so because it has no idea which gunpowder is used and what its weight is.
            1. +5
              6 December 2019 00: 55
              Knowing the caliber of a bullet, you can always evaluate its size from a photo.

              The steel of small arms barrels (before the NGSW competition) is used with the same characteristics, so the pressure in the chamber during the shot is also the same and the initial speed, for example, in 5,56 mm caliber with a bullet weight of about 16 grams, is about 330 m / s.
  5. -7
    5 December 2019 09: 15
    The flight of a bullet, the movement of a torpedo, a submarine in a dense and elastic water environment is associated with ionization of the discharge surface. Therefore, all issues are resolved first by understanding how magnetic fluxes are distributed. Hence the decisions are radically different. Schauberger also considered such decisions, but the cart is still motionless.
  6. +3
    5 December 2019 10: 18
    Gospidya! Still, perhaps, in WW1 used against submarines, the so-called "diving" artillery shells with a flat or concave nose! But I don’t remember that such shells were called "supercavitating" or "cavitating"! In Russia, PSP cartridges for underwater shooting have been created and put into service ... But are these "supercavitating" bullets? (1) First: as far as I understand, these cartridges (bullets) are not intended for firing from air to water! Such cartridges can be fired: either in an "air" environment, or under water ... (2) Second: "cavitating" (or "cavitation" ...) shells move under water in a gas (vapor) medium ("cavity"). ..) Hence, it becomes necessary to have a "mechanism" in the "shell" that creates and maintains this "cavity" ... How does the bullet "pump" air (gas, steam) into the cavity around itself? request
    1. 0
      5 December 2019 11: 04
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      How does the bullet "pump" air (gas, steam) into the cavity around itself?

      Maybe some kind of chemical coating. The same legendary carbide
    2. +4
      5 December 2019 12: 28
      Still, perhaps, in WW1 used against submarines, the so-called "diving" artillery shells with a flat or concave nose! But I don’t remember that such shells were called "supercavitating" or "cavitating"!

      And they were not "supercavitating" or "cavitating", in these shells, by changing the shape of the warhead and reducing the initial speed, the issue of ricochet entry into the water at angles less than 15 ° was solved
    3. +5
      5 December 2019 13: 04
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      How does the bullet "pump" air (gas, steam) into the cavity around itself?

      it is not always necessary to "pump up"
      cavitation is a phenomenon that occurs in moving streams, when the local pressure drop is less than the pressure of the saturated vapor of the liquid and the gases dissolved in it

      for it to arise, you need:
      -increasing body speed in the environment
      -increase t fluid
      -changing the trajectories of fluid particles during the movement (flow around) of the body (their separation is also possible) (the same change in V, but already a vector)
      -organization of cavitation nuclei (chemically)
      -exposure to external energy -Ultrasound: lithotripsy, liposuction, removal of tartar and plaque.

      in this case, it is a change in the trajectories of fluid particles ..
      You wrote it yourself
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Still, perhaps, in WW1 used against submarines, the so-called "diving" artillery shells with a flat or concave nose!
      1. -4
        5 December 2019 20: 03
        opus (Anton), no need to rewrite the Internet, not knowing the topic, a schoolboy from Israel.
  7. +1
    5 December 2019 10: 47
    Vidos, in the part where the submarine fires from machine guns, was pleased, which reminded me of the PMV and machine gun biplanes :)
  8. 0
    5 December 2019 10: 52
    Quote: Setavr
    Ours created this more than 10 years ago, plus a machine for it.

    Our cartridge is primarily compact and is intended for shooting under water. It can, of course, be used on land, but the efficiency is certainly lower than that of a "land" cartridge. When moving from one environment to another, it is necessary to change magazines (of the same type). to replace inconvenient "spokes" And the Norwegian cartridge allows you to fire one cartridge on the ground and under water. Lagging behind ...
  9. +3
    5 December 2019 12: 07
    If you carefully look at the pictures of bullets, you will see traces of the cutter on them, because the bullets are made of a tungsten alloy (for example: VMZh), which is processed by cutting, but not of tungsten carbide, which is processed in the sintered state only by grinding, then they will really become priced like platinum. The author would have to learn a little materiel.
    The Norwegian cartridge is designed for shooting under water, and the Russian cartridge is designed for shooting under water.
    Tungsten carbide as well as tungsten are not toxic.
    1. +7
      5 December 2019 12: 37
      In the range of ammunition CAV-X there are universal and specialized bullets - for firing under water and from under water.
  10. +2
    5 December 2019 12: 57
    The author writes for us, readers, a quote: "... will allow, with a certain degree of probability, to hit an underwater high-speed underwater target ..." End of quote.
    A question for connoisseurs: what is the probability? What is a "certain share"? I don’t think the author can answer such difficult questions.
    1. Fat
      0
      6 December 2019 02: 44
      How to catch a lion in the desert?
      To put a cage in the desert, there is a positive, non-zero probability that the lion himself will be in the cage. :)
  11. +4
    5 December 2019 13: 16
    I remember watching the program "Mythbusters".
    Adam and Jamie tried to refute the myth that a man at a depth of one (!) Meter is guaranteed to be protected from all types of small arms.
    To my surprise, the myth was confirmed.
    Adam frantically fired into the pool from everything that shoots. Including calibers, which only bullet tanks.
    And here is a miracle - they could not hit the target at the bottom of the pool. Bullets, after entering the water were destroyed.
    Now, then, the Norwegians watched this program.
    They are haunted by the glory of our Shkval cavitation torpedo.
    Flag in hand.
    One "but" - a torpedo has an engine, while a bullet or projectile has only an initial impulse.
    In the service he shot from our submarine assault rifle. Both under water and on shore. APS is designed for one medium - water.
    On land, the bullets scattered enormously, they used to fly flat on target — no stability in flight.
    I do not say impossible. Never been a retrograde. They say in Russia there is already a machine for two environments. So there is nothing to compare Norwegian developments ...
    1. 0
      5 December 2019 14: 39
      Adam and Jamie tried to refute the myth that a man at a depth of one (!) Meter is guaranteed to be protected from all types of small arms.
      To my surprise, the myth was confirmed.

      Only from a 9Para pistol bullet. had to dive to a depth of 2.5m, and with a smooth-bore musket, they simply did not hit the target, while the bullets stopped 8m from the point of the shot. Therefore, with low-speed ammunition “not everything is so simple“)
    2. 0
      7 December 2019 02: 07
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      To my surprise, the myth was confirmed.

      Damn, so it turns out, Saving Private Ryan tricked us?
      And then there, the Fritz, the noble Yankees in Normandy shot under water.
  12. 0
    5 December 2019 17: 09
    The cavitation process is an algorithmic process from the standpoint of mathematics and physical as the subsequent transformation of the water structure immediately after its compression. Therefore, the question is how to perform dynamic compression in order to obtain cavitation of water, and use excess pressure to push the body to further accelerate.
  13. +2
    5 December 2019 23: 35
    The comrade apparently does not know that our similar developments have been going on for several years ...
  14. 0
    6 December 2019 18: 30
    For the inventors of the next bike, I inform you that in RUSSIA they have long created a DOUBLE MEDIA that uses SPECIAL CARTRIDGES for shooting under water and on the ground, Ordinary 5,45 for AK74.
    1. 0
      9 December 2019 18: 22
      Quote: VLADIMIR MIRONOV
      For the inventors of the next bike, I inform you that in RUSSIA they have long created a DOUBLE MEDIA that uses SPECIAL CARTRIDGES for shooting under water and on the ground, Ordinary 5,45 for AK74.

      which is significantly inferior to what the Norwegians have now
      we were ahead for a long time
      and now they got around us, and they got around very significantly
      1. 0
        22 August 2021 13: 58
        Well, and for what performance characteristics our machine is inferior to the Norwegian one, if not a secret of course?
  15. 0
    9 February 2020 16: 10
    Cartridge cartridge))) And from what the Norwegians shoot them then? After all, we did not have to do an ADS.
  16. 0
    20 June 2022 05: 08
    For those who are interested, read Andrey Albertovich Polovnev RU2268455C1 Underwater munition cavitating core https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2268455C1/ru

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