In the US, predicted the "beginning of the end" of Russia as a space power

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In the US, predicted the "beginning of the end" of Russia as a space power

NASA’s commercial space flight program will start operating in the summer of 2020, according to a report by the Inspector General of the American Space Agency. According to The Hill, this event will be the "beginning of the end" of Russia as a space power.

NASA's space program assumed that SpaceX and Boeing spacecraft would begin delivering astronauts to the ISS back in 2017, but a number of technical failures and other problems delayed its implementation for three years. In the event of unforeseen circumstances, more delays may occur, so it is recommended to purchase several seats in the Russian Soyuz for now.



However, the newspaper writes, this is bad news end and the good begin. For the first time since 2011, US astronauts will launch on their own spaceships from American territory, and US dependence on Russia will end. With the beginning of the flights of American spaceships to the ISS, Russia will not receive approximately 85 million dollars for each seat for American astronauts, which will mean the beginning of the end of the “Russian space power”.

The Russian economy, which is overly dependent on oil and gas and suffers from corruption and inefficiency, is unlikely to invest in the industry the funds necessary to compensate for the missing payments on the American side. Russian President Vladimir Putin spends too much money on "imperial adventures" in Syria and Ukraine, so that something remains to support the Russian space program

- the author of the article declares.

Whether Russia is able to maintain independence in the space industry remains a question, he writes.

At present, the United States has one task - to create private space lines as part of a commercial program with an additional bonus in the form of ousting Russia from outer space, which is becoming "increasingly hostile," the publication claims.
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    1. +18
      4 December 2019 10: 44
      The one who laughs last laughs well. Or wait and see.
      1. +14
        4 December 2019 11: 27
        US dependence on Russia will end

        Don't say "gop" until you've jumped. And in general, if Russia
        becomes "more and more hostile"
        and stop buying seats on our ships.

        It would be nice, in retaliation, to stop selling Americans tickets to the ISS and rocket engines. That would be a blow to their prestige: to deliver a man to the ISS or launch a satellite (well, some of the satellites).
        1. +21
          4 December 2019 11: 43
          The longer Americans fly alliances, the longer the NASA will develop. One has only to "cut" - they can "get together" and close up their own.
          1. +7
            4 December 2019 17: 34
            In my opinion, we just did not predict. And the collapse of Russia, and the collapse of our army, and the torn economy to shreds) But in the end, Russia in place, has grown in the Crimea) Production is increasing, incl. due to import substitution. The army, if not the strongest, is at least in second place. Although I personally would have put it on the first due to the latest types of weapons) It’s definitely not scary to sleep) We are waiting for breakthroughs from space .. So far, everything is not good there, yes ..) But there are forecasts for that .. wink
            1. +1
              4 December 2019 19: 28
              Quote: krot
              In my opinion, we just did not predict.


              Life is striped, therefore ... dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful - not dreaming
          2. +1
            4 December 2019 17: 48
            Quote: Alex Nevs
            The longer Americans fly alliances, the longer the NASA will develop. One has only to "cut" - they can "get together" and close up their own.

            If they kept the price of the "ticket" no higher than $ 40 million, it is not a fact that the Americans would even undertake to develop a manned spacecraft.
            1. +2
              4 December 2019 19: 56
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              If they kept the price of the "ticket" no higher than $ 40 million, it is not a fact that the Americans would even undertake to develop a manned spacecraft.

              It is quite possible - they would immediately understand that the passengers would use our ships, and not those that the Americans would create, which certainly would not be cheaper than ours.
            2. 0
              7 December 2019 12: 44
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              If they kept the price of the "ticket" no higher than $ 40 million, it is not a fact that the Americans would even undertake to develop a manned spacecraft.

              And here it is - space, in spite of the tendency to commercialize in recent years, still remains and will remain for a long time a question of state prestige, and the leading edge of scientific research and technical development, and therefore a matter of big politics. For any state claiming the status of a great power, a deep lag in the space sphere is unthinkable. And manned space exploration is precisely the most prestigious and political moment. And all this constant American space projection, either with Mars or with the Moon, is just confirmation that their leadership understands the importance of astronauts for state ideology (and mythology wink ).
          3. +1
            5 December 2019 22: 51
            They can get together and remember how they flew to the moon.
          4. -1
            6 December 2019 10: 10
            Already shut up, take it easy. You cannot change anything here with slogans.
        2. +53
          4 December 2019 12: 20
          They will not buy. And they said this in plain text.
          Stop selling engines? And who better to do? If the Russian astronautics is still afloat at the expense of American money for engines, money for tickets to the ISS and for several contracts such as maintenance by the Toilet Energy on the ISS?
          What will Roskosmos do when it does not? For the American space program, the non-delivery of the RD-180 is a mosquito bite, which she will not notice. But what will the Russian workers engaged in the production of engines do?
          Maybe it's time to reduce arrogance and admit that Russia has lost its leading position in space?
          What are we proud of today? The role of the space cab on the ISS? But this is like laughing! Proud of the Queen's genius? Devices of temporary development of the second half of the last century? What has Russia done new in space? NOTHING! In addition to cutting money for projects that are no longer needed, such as the Angara.
          This is at a time when cosmonautics in the world is really developing by leaps and bounds. When Mars rovers successfully plow the surface of Mars, when the Hubble and the Kepler’s orbital telescope operate successfully, when space probes land on moving comets, when ground images are taken from asteroids, when the Cassini space probe takes excellent images of Saturn, etc.
          When a private American company without a huge Soviet legacy for some unhappy few years created a heavy carrier Falcon Heavy. A carrier that Roscosmos cannot even think of today!
          Maybe stop throwing caps on the ceiling? And proud of the past achievements of the USSR?
          And to admit that things in Russian astronautics are awful? What are the leading world positions completely lost? And to start at least something to correct this shameful situation? Really?
          And do not make people laugh with a robot Fedor?
          1. +4
            4 December 2019 12: 29
            Man .. well said !! Actually, this applies to almost any sphere in Russia ..
            But now the headless bot will bother you - uuuuu ..))))
            1. +9
              4 December 2019 13: 21
              Quote: Roman070280
              If the Russian space program is still afloat at the expense of American money for engines ...


              Another shit on the fan.
              Buy yourself a calculator.

              Do you at least take an interest in Russian programs first. Find out what amounts are mastered.

              You can minus the gentlemen, comrades, but people got watering shit.


              Thank God that the overwhelming majority of people who love their homeland.

              You, Roman070208, continue shouting that everything was stolen, that Rogozin is to blame for everything, blah blah blah.

              Dogs rage, the caravan goes.

              Mattresses on the ISS carry not because of the dough, Roman070280.
              Not all loot is measured.

              But you do not worry, continue to fetish on the mattress. love
              1. +2
                4 December 2019 13: 55
                Quote: Vladimir16
                Thank God that the overwhelming majority of people who love their homeland.

                Certainly the majority, but also the majority who openly hate the current Russian government and bureaucracy, and there is something!
                1. +6
                  4 December 2019 19: 01
                  Why don't moderators remove explicit flooding in comments? Is there a branch in contact here? Whatever the topic, this udak RUSS here is driving a blizzard about "power", about hatred of power and other nonsense !!! We have turned a once serious resource into a leberalistic dump!
                  1. +5
                    4 December 2019 23: 56
                    This RUSS is not Russ at all)) It works like this, 11 thousand comments in 6 years, 5 comments every day! ) He lives on the site! Many countries have allocated money for regular positions in cyber space, for propaganda against Russia. And they didn’t think of anything smarter than sitting here and stinking) His task is to write any rot about us .. That we are Russian-quilted jackets, worthless.
                    And there are even ours who also assent to this ..) Wash themselves, you can pour it, and then complain again))) I am proud that I am Russian, and we will bend and bend all this pro-Western parasitism.
              2. LON
                -6
                4 December 2019 14: 07
                Quote: Vladimir16
                Another shit on the fan.
                Buy yourself a calculator.

                Do you at least take an interest in Russian programs first. Find out what amounts are mastered.

                You can minus the gentlemen, comrades, but people got watering shit.


                Thank God that the overwhelming majority of people who love their homeland.

                You, Roman070208, continue shouting that everything was stolen, that Rogozin is to blame for everything, blah blah blah.

                Dogs rage, the caravan goes.

                Mattresses on the ISS carry not because of the dough, Roman070280.
                Not all loot is measured.

                But you do not worry, continue to fetish on the mattress.

                Empty chatter. Do you even have time to catch a hat after such an outpouring of the soul?
              3. +7
                4 December 2019 14: 56
                Those who criticize do not love their homeland? I would say the opposite.
                1. +16
                  4 December 2019 16: 02
                  Quote: yfast
                  Those who criticize do not love their homeland? I would say the opposite.

                  Distinguish criticism from mud pouring and screaming that everything is gone. But everything is fine there. They don’t fly when they fly, it’s not known, but everything is fine ..
              4. +8
                4 December 2019 15: 08
                people got watering shit .. Thank God that people loving their homeland overwhelming majority.

                That is, those who consider Rogozin and others like them - thieves .. these people do not like their homeland ??)))
                But I think differently .. and I’m sure that everything is exactly the opposite .. people who love their homeland are the majority .. and people like you are a minority ..

                You, Roman070208, continue shouting that everything was stolen, that Rogozin is to blame for everything, blah blah blah.

                And you continue to shout that you didn’t steal anything, that Rogozin is the greatest manager of all time, and that Russia is the leader in space exploration .. Blah blah blah, I agree ..

                Dogs rage, the caravan goes.

                Watching whose caravan .. and looking where it goes ..))

                Mattresses on the ISS carry not because of the dough, Roman070280.
                Not all loot is measured.


                Tell it to Putin, Rogozin, etc. by the list!!

                70 years ago no one complained that the "loot" flew into space .. but, on the contrary, the people were proud of the country's achievements .. For there was really something to be proud of !! (of course, only for those who loved their homeland) ..
                And now, as correctly described above, reasons for pride, to put it mildly, have diminished .. But they started shouting about orders of magnitude more ..
                I don’t know what is the reason for transporting mattresses there (for some reason you stuck a quote out of mine) .. but I have no doubt that it’s not for beautiful eyes) ..
              5. +5
                4 December 2019 17: 19
                Quote: Vladimir16
                find out how much to learn.

                the most ingenious phrase from the whole comment ...
              6. -1
                4 December 2019 17: 54
                There is no korovan, there is a voracious lame nag.
              7. 0
                4 December 2019 22: 12
                The ISS carry mattresses not because of the dough


                would you ask what budget Rogozinkosmos will lose when the shop closes.
              8. +3
                6 December 2019 01: 59
                I, like an ordinary working man, have a different Homeland with PuyKo, as well as his friends. Yes, and with you too. Remember Vlasov? He practiced such a thing as solidarism. And before him Hitler, and even before him Mussolini. Are you relatives with these guys? Or 30 silver? Or are you ideological? Regarding the cosmonautics of rf, rf raw material peripheral capitalism. It is on these rights that the Russian Federation has integrated itself into the global economy. And that means no technology. You can decide for a long time who is bigger and whose main patriot is. But for millions of people, there is no future in this country. He was taken away. But you tell Krylov's fables, this amuses me. Your turn.
            2. 0
              4 December 2019 15: 42
              We have this only with the cosmic sphere, culture and medicine - in all the rest, development is going on less or less.
              1. +4
                4 December 2019 16: 21
                Was that sarcasm?
                Heavy Engineering, Medium, Light Industry? More or less?
                Well, doesn’t Rosatom raise any questions, perhaps it is the only ray of light in the dark kingdom bully
                1. +6
                  4 December 2019 17: 57
                  Machine-building products for this year will be more than 8 trillion rubles; the CX and IT sector is still developing very well; the latter, if the pace continues, will be able to squeeze oil and gas in 10 years.
              2. -3
                4 December 2019 18: 18
                What the hell is development !? Swamp !!!
            3. +3
              4 December 2019 21: 54
              Quote: Roman070280
              Man .. well said !! Actually, this applies to almost any sphere in Russia ..
              But now the headless bot will bother you - uuuuu ..))))


              said nonsense
          2. +3
            4 December 2019 13: 03
            Quote: Neznaika
            When the surface of Mars successfully plow rovers

            "Give me some coves, as spaceships ply the stage of the Bolshoi Theater." (FROM) lol
            Let me remind the explorer that the "successful" Americans CANNOT (have done it) fly into space for EIGHT YEARS already. And it is not known when they will still fly.

            And the satellites launch on the Russian engines RD 180, which have nothing to do with the USSR.

            And this is with their funding!

            "World" positions are not needed: stop pushing hard, and Russia will undoubtedly remain among the leading space powers ..
            1. +2
              4 December 2019 15: 46
              Today, SpaceX launches its reusable cargo Dragon on the ISS - by the way, what do they launch the payload on.
            2. +9
              4 December 2019 16: 04
              Quote: Olgovich
              "World" positions are not needed: stop pushing hard, and Russia will undoubtedly remain among the leading space powers ..

              Never mind. The raids are piled on, if they don’t know, about the state of space programs. They only know one thing, that everything is bad, even if the facts speak otherwise.
          3. +18
            4 December 2019 13: 12
            What are we proud of today? The role of the space cab on the ISS? But this is like laughing!
            And the fact that the Americans are buying out seats on this cab means norms. This type is not funny.
            I can imagine what kind of screech we had (and in particular in VO) if we flew to the ISS in American ships without the ability to deliver ourselves.
            1. +3
              4 December 2019 16: 48
              Why is there no screech about the fact that the Russian air passenger transportation market is divided between Airbus and Boeing, and domestic cars account for no more than 25% of the Russian market. Moreover, the share of relatively modern airliners (Sukhoi Superjet 100, Tu-204, Tu-214, An-148) is not more than 10%.
              1. +2
                4 December 2019 20: 00
                Quote: Steen
                Why is there no screech about the fact that the Russian air passenger transportation market is divided between Airbus and Boeing, and domestic cars account for no more than 25% of the Russian market.

                This is really a problem, and it must be solved first of all, and not to dream of flying to Mars, or with unknown goals.
          4. +7
            4 December 2019 13: 21
            This is at a time when cosmonautics in the world is really developing by leaps and bounds. When Mars rovers successfully plow the surface of Mars, when the Hubble and the Kepler’s orbital telescope operate successfully, when space probes land on moving comets, when ground images are taken from asteroids, when the Cassini space probe takes excellent pictures of Saturn, etc. ....... . you will not believe, but all this except the Hub. Seven and protons were brought into orbit, so no one jumps by leaps and bounds, the only tea is rushing. but with Russian technology. until everyone else even took a low start. Attempting mask is just a cut. and you about Rosskosmos
            1. +16
              4 December 2019 13: 36
              cassini is launched by titanium, Kepler Delta 2, and so on according to the list, here in the curiosity mission there was atlas 5 he really had one of the rd-180 engines, but everything else about sevens and protons was complete rubbish,
              so that you are modern
              1. -2
                4 December 2019 14: 10
                but everything else about sevens and protons is complete nonsense .... read the projects implemented by Rosskosmos. or are you unfamiliar with them ?????? in vain, it will be instructive
                1. +3
                  4 December 2019 16: 58
                  what exactly are you talking about? You wrote that everything except the hub was deduced by protons and sevens, what did you mean then? What interplanetary and complex scientific projects, besides a couple of joint projects, did Roskosmos realize? namely, they were discussed above
                  1. +4
                    4 December 2019 22: 26
                    what exactly are you talking about? ...... atlases and antares were displayed on the RD-180 and 181. engines, at the moment and in the near future there is nothing better, no matter how private offices run, engines based on Brown's F- 1 not reliable and super-gluttonous, that's about it
                    1. +1
                      5 December 2019 08: 48
                      In general, you moved out of your statements about protons and sevens, but you did it very unsuccessfully, Antares flies 1-2 times a year. atlas 3-4. approximately as dklta, but falcons fly 12-18 times a year. and everything is in order with their engines and there has not been a single accident over the past 30 years due to engines. and they’re not eating too much, but closed-cycle engines, only hydrogen Americans have used them perfectly on the shuttles and are going to use them further. in general, and here you are all mixed up and misinterpreted
                      1. 0
                        5 December 2019 09: 08
                        here you confused everything and misled ... for what he bought for that he sold, but a certain stepan is frankly lying ... "but the falcones fly 12-18 times a year. and everything is fine with their engines and there was no 30 years "... the first Falcon launches were in early 2010. Well, no matter how long it is not for 30 years, and besides, there have been accidents and it is enough to have doubts about carrying people on falcons. so i guess it's fair
                        1. -2
                          5 December 2019 09: 14
                          30 years belonged to all types of American engines, unsuccessfully put it,
                        2. +1
                          5 December 2019 09: 32
                          30 years belonged to all types of American engines ..... well, 30 years, how many astronauts were put into orbit on them ????? I’m not talking about cosmonauts
                        3. +2
                          5 December 2019 15: 50
                          About 600 astronauts and 9 cosmonauts. But you don’t know that either.
                        4. +1
                          5 December 2019 15: 53
                          About 600 astronauts and 9 cosmonauts. ... well, this is with regards to Brown's F-1s, but how many falcons?
                        5. 0
                          7 December 2019 13: 58
                          where does f-1? I'm talking about rs-25 and fuel accelerators
                        6. 0
                          7 December 2019 23: 02
                          where does f-1? I'm talking about rs-25 ........ rs-25 this is f-1
                        7. 0
                          9 December 2019 10: 09
                          a closed-type hydrogen engine, of course, is somewhat similar to an open kerosene engine, and even to some extent was based on f-1 workstations and was made by the same company, but put an equal sign between them, this is nonsense, merlin, and it can more than be considered a legacy of f- 1 (only less and the other (s))
            2. -10
              4 December 2019 13: 58
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              when the Hubble and the Kepler Orbital Telescope are operating successfully

              On April 2, 2019, Roscosmos announced the termination of the mission of the only orbital telescope in Russia - Spektr-R. After working for 7,5 years instead of the three planned, on January 10, the telescope stopped communicating with the Earth. Engineers tried to restart the device in four different ways, but not one of the attempts was successful.
              1. +3
                4 December 2019 21: 58
                Quote: RUSS
                On April 2, 2019, Roscosmos announced the termination of the mission of the only orbital telescope in Russia - Spektr-R.


                The material was collected for two years in advance. And yes, not the only one at that time, we also have other orbiting telescopes. One is on the ISS, the other is on Lomonosov. And now the "Spectrum-RG".
              2. +3
                5 December 2019 13: 34
                Quote: RUSS
                After working for 7,5 years instead of the three planned, on January 10, the telescope stopped communicating with the Earth.

                For such a result, developers of this program should be presented for government awards - they have exceeded the resource more than two times, this is at the level of very high achievements.
            3. +11
              4 December 2019 14: 20
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              the only tea rushing. but with Russian technology. until everyone else even took a low start. Attempting mask is just a cut. and you about Rosskosmos

              Launches have become commonplace, and Roscosmos a large washing office with a branch in the center of Moscow, in the area of ​​the plant named after Khrunicheva. As before, cybernetics, auto and aircraft construction, and now the space industry is leaving Russia forever.


              I recommend for viewing, and if laziness, then 7:10.
              On this channel they tell where and how space exploration is developing.
              1. -6
                4 December 2019 15: 56
                With aircraft as an automotive engine and much more everything is
                Russia is leveled, but with space, byad, the world does not stand still, in this area private traders began to grow like mushrooms after the successes of Mask, take the same Rocket Lab and others
                1. +2
                  4 December 2019 19: 17
                  Kapets !!! Are you seriously? Putting a 30-kilo racket with a guide set as an example? This is the level of an aircraft model club in the USSR! laughing
                  1. -1
                    4 December 2019 23: 11
                    Starting a racket weighing 30 kilos ...

                    with such rackets, by the way, foreign space startups begin, if that.
                    1. 0
                      6 December 2019 10: 22
                      30 years ago?
                  2. -3
                    5 December 2019 10: 54
                    Only here the model aircraft circles of the USSR did not show anything in this regard, and these circles did not do the same for microsatellites.
                    1. +1
                      5 December 2019 18: 35
                      Well, these, of course, showed! laughing Launched a goproshka to a height of 30 km !!! Achievement of the century !!! Startup, iopt! laughing good
                      1. 0
                        5 December 2019 19: 29
                        There, by the way, the altitude is written 120700 meters, but you don’t know how to read the campaign, and you don’t think the same thing - there is no weightlessness at an altitude of 30 kilometers.
              2. +2
                4 December 2019 19: 12
                Watching the urethra channels on YouTube is now as shameful as "watching TV". Although it is at least clear who is behind the TV. Who is behind the urethra of YouTube, one State Department knows. And if we add to them outright scumbags, shkolota, who have not read even one book, but rivet these videos in hundreds, then in general the references to these videos in the comments become ridiculous.
                1. -3
                  5 December 2019 10: 50
                  Judging by your verbal "urination" - you are just jealous of those who do and show it all there.
              3. 0
                4 December 2019 22: 34
                Launches have become commonplace ... no wonder, after 23.000 from December 31 to January 1, I also launch firecrackers in space, and what ???, technology their mother
                1. -2
                  4 December 2019 22: 42
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  I fly into space firecrackers, and what ???, technology their mother so

                  The fact is that soon they will have "their mother technology", and we have firecrackers.
                  Tomorrow Falcon 9 is launched.
                  And at the beginning of next year they promise a manned flight.
                  1. +3
                    5 December 2019 08: 12
                    And at the beginning of next year they promise a manned flight ..... they are such rainbow dreams, unpredictable, well, and so if in essence there are no competitors to the Unions in the near future, except that the tea will explode. because the technology is similar to the unions. and all sorts of Dragons and other X-37s. calculate how much it costs 1 kg to put into orbit .... and then multiply it all by 25 tons of dead load, .... if you can cope with the task, you will understand why firecrackers are all at a price a hundred times cheaper
                    1. 0
                      5 December 2019 08: 59
                      but you yourself would have to calculate all that nonsense that you wrote and piled in one pile, and amused about the tea, that is, you are ready to believe. that the Chinese with technology similar to alliances should do better than the Americans, with vast experience in piloted lashes (and, not looking for an eight-year break, they still take the lead in the number of powered flights and people to cosmos three times more than others) because the Americans are just plain dumb?
                      1. 0
                        5 December 2019 09: 14
                        because the Americans are just apparently dumb? .... I didn’t print about stupidity, the stripes are simply prudent, the Xiaopinians are ambitious, and therefore they tear their claws into heaven. for the 20th year they plan to start their own orbital station on their own ... well, and rosskosmos just went to the good old, and for now, catching up with someone or not in the near future, and even more interestingly, since you started advertising Falcon. that is the question. why don't people carry people?
                        1. +4
                          5 December 2019 10: 01
                          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                          falcon. that is the question. why don't people carry people?

                          Nobody advertises anything here. Falcon will carry people too, just transportation of people and commercial launches are two different things. Carrying people is not profitable !!! Falcon successfully moved Proton within the framework of commercial launches into geostationary orbits of 36000 km, crushing almost the entire commercial market in this class of missiles. From about 15-20 launches per year, we carry out 1-2 launches. In turn, Khrunichev's NPO can exist by producing at least 10 missiles, and no one needs them, hence the alleged bankruptcy with subsequent liquidation. A designer and a hard worker will not go to Omsk from the capital. In addition, the design bureau "Salyut", the developer of the Angara, has been liquidated, and even if the Angara will be built in Omsk, who will accompany the project?
                          So in the coming years we will be able to launch only for the domestic market.
                        2. -1
                          5 December 2019 10: 16
                          Falcon will carry people .... the question is only when ??? and whether there will be such a prospect in the opus of nas in the near future is not expected
                    2. +3
                      5 December 2019 09: 13
                      I remember about 10 years ago, our leaders said that a shale revolution was impossible, and 20 years ago no one would have thought that we would drive Chinese cars.
                      But all our great projects, Energy, Pole (product 17F19DM), Volcano, Buran and others remained in our glorious socialist past.
                      We are 20 years old sawing space dusted our brains with Angara, raved about flights to the Moon and Mars, covered the bottom of the oceans with debris from rockets and satellites, having managed to break even the Gagarin rocket. And where is the breakthrough and dash? Stargazers will send a manned rocket early next year, rest assured. And we will "dream" together with the ragozin about space distances and be proud of our wonderful ancestors and their merits.
                      1. +2
                        5 December 2019 09: 28
                        .And we will "dream" together with Ragozin about cosmic distances and be proud of our wonderful ancestors and their merits ......... dreaming is not harmful but proud of wonderful ancestors, all the more it is not harmful and even necessary,
                        And where is the breakthrough? against the background of the fact that apart from the striped GPS, there is nothing else ... then the conclusion is very positive
                      2. +1
                        5 December 2019 10: 13
                        shale revolution .... oooooh, a wonderful version of how to ditch a vast territory .......
                  2. +1
                    5 December 2019 18: 37
                    promise manned flight


                    Do you have any volunteers? Or will Ilona fly by herself? Or lifelong run for promises of mercy in the event of a successful landing? laughing
                    1. -2
                      6 December 2019 10: 31
                      Strange logic. Were our volunteers also from "life"?
            4. LON
              +1
              4 December 2019 16: 03
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              Kepler telescope

              You at least read Wikipedia sometimes. The telescope was launched into orbit by the Delta-2 launch vehicle. The main engine is the RS2701A / B and two auxiliary engines LR101-NA.
          5. +8
            4 December 2019 13: 25
            Quote: Neznaika
            What will Roskosmos do when it does not?

            But is there anything in our country that there are programs and finances for the development of manned space exploration? At least the construction of a new cosmodrome proved this clearly.
            Moreover, who told you that their funds allocated for the flight of an astronaut on our ship in the form of net profit went to our budget? In the best case, this is 30 percent, and most likely 20 percent or less of the allocated amount, because a lot of money is needed for the running costs of any person delivered into orbit, as well as for keeping him in orbit and returning to Earth. Well, the Americans will not fly, dozens of their countries will be sent - the line has long been on flights to the ISS, but for now we are forced to represent places to the Americans in the first place, since they are participants in the project.
            So what will we lose if they refuse to fly our ships?
            Quote: Neznaika
            Maybe it's time to reduce arrogance and admit that Russia has lost its leading position in space?

            Much easier to admit that finally it dawned on us that we should not go ahead with our fundamental investments in manned space programs, but should we allocate more funds for defense programs? And then we will invest a lot of money again, and a certain academician, such as Sagdeev, then will share our achievements with NASA - can it be enough to do good to the whole world? Such an idea did not occur to you to understand why we have become cool about this area of ​​space exploration?
            Quote: Neznaika
            When Mars rovers successfully plow the surface of Mars, when the Hubble and the Kepler’s orbital telescope operate successfully, when space probes land on moving comets, when ground images are taken from asteroids, when the Cassini space probe takes excellent images of Saturn, etc.

            Yes, for God's sake, let the Americans do all this, and we will use all of their information, which we will need to avoid mistakes in our space developments. They took samples of lunar soil from us, and didn’t soar about it, and the moon’s pictures from our lunar rover were taken in open mode.
            Quote: Neznaika
            Maybe stop throwing caps on the ceiling?

            And no one, except illiterate people, has long abandoned them - it’s time to decide how important the manned space program is to us, if only because the Russian population is half that of the USSR and we don’t have the potential that it was during the Soviet era Union.
            Sane people understand this very well, which is why they do not go into hysterics, that "again it is asking ... and polymers", but just really look at things, without sprinkling ashes on their heads.
            1. -2
              4 December 2019 14: 00
              Quote: ccsr
              But is there anything in our country that there are programs and finances for the development of manned space exploration? At least the construction of a new cosmodrome proved this clearly.

              Russia also lacks independent access to space - the launch complex for launching Soyuz rockets at the Vostochny spaceport is still missing. In addition, satellite launches into orbits with low inclinations (equatorial and close to them) require too much fuel when launched from northern spaceports. Therefore, the cost-effective spaceports that Russia uses are located on the territory of three other states - Kazakhstan (Baikonur), France (Kourou) and the United States (Sea Launch).

              Unmanned Programs
              Russia does not have a single device outside the orbit of the Earth - and this says a lot about the country's space program. Research missions in far and near space are carried out by the United States, the European Union, Japan, China and India - Russia is far from leadership in this direction.

              It is unlikely that it will be possible to reduce the backlog in the near future - the budget of the Federal Space Program, adopted for 2016–2025, has been greatly reduced in recent years. For ten years, it amounts to 1,406 trillion rubles - instead of 2,5 trillion originally planned. Of these, the Basic Space Research (FKI) section is only 143,2 billion rubles — that is, 14 billion rubles annually. It includes support for all existing research missions, as well as the development of new ones, the launch of which is scheduled for the coming decades.

              A serious loss for the industry was the closure of the program for the study of the Sun, which could make a scientific revolution in astrophysics - the Intergeliozond project. The device was intended to study the solar corona and the polar regions of the star, which are not visible from the Earth. In February, the mission was canceled due to lack of funding and technical difficulties that engineers encountered. All work on the project has been discontinued.

              Russia failed to launch two missions to Mars - Mars-96 and Phobos-Grunt - as well as the Photon-M1 satellite.
              1. +5
                4 December 2019 15: 57
                Quote: RUSS
                USA (Sea Launch).

                It can be seen how you know. "Sea Launch", has long been bought by Roskosmos.
                1. -2
                  6 December 2019 10: 49
                  And what to do next with it? What will be launched and where?
              2. -2
                4 December 2019 19: 52
                Quote: RUSS
                Russia also lacks independent access to space - the launch complex for launching Soyuz rockets at the Vostochny spaceport is still missing.

                Do you have any idea that Baikonur did not allow us to launch large-size ships into orbit, due to the impossibility of transporting them by rail from the places where this equipment was created?
                But "Vostochny" will allow us to use water transport and deliver larger carriers and ships from Khabarovsk. At least that is why the Americans could create larger objects, and deliver them to Cape Canaveral by waterways.
                So now we do not need to look for fleas in this project, forgetting that we do not need to pay Kazakhstan for missile launches. This alone makes Vostochny promising.
                Quote: RUSS
                Unmanned Programs
                Russia does not have a single device outside the orbit of the Earth

                And how does this affect the development of space programs in our military and civilian interests?
                Quote: RUSS
                A major loss for the industry was the closure of the Sun study program,

                Enough to engage in Manilovism and there is no need to depict global grief due to the fact that they did not allocate money for this program - it does not give us anything in practical terms. If the country does not even have money for applied projects, then why spend money on basic research, and even in the area that only super-rich countries can deal with. Why are Germany or Japan on their own not doing what you propose to do to Russia?
                Quote: RUSS
                Russia failed to launch two missions to Mars - Mars-96 and Phobos-Grunt - as well as the Photon-M1 satellite.

                And now, sob about it in all forums? Throw it, it’s simply irrelevant for us now, and when extra funds appear, then it will be possible to return to such projects.
              3. +6
                4 December 2019 22: 42
                Well, well, so many lies and in one post laughing

                Quote: RUSS
                Russia also lacks independent access to space - the launch complex for launching Soyuz rockets at the Vostochny spaceport is still missing.


                Another Soyuz rocket takes off from the "missing" launch complex:



                Quote: RUSS
                In addition, satellite launches into orbits with low inclinations (equatorial and close to them) require too much fuel when launched from northern spaceports.


                Not so long ago, two foreign "equatorial" satellites took off:



                Quote: RUSS
                Therefore, the cost-effective spaceports that Russia uses are located on the territory of three other states - Kazakhstan (Baikonur), France (Kourou) and the United States (Sea Launch).


                Baikonur and Vostochny are almost at the same latitude. Cargo shipments are launched from the GKC. The sea launch practically passed under the jurisdiction of Russia and temporarily, until the appearance of a rocket under it, does not work.

                Quote: RUSS
                Russia does not have a single device outside the orbit of the Earth - and this says a lot about the country's space program.


                Infographics specifically for you:



                Quote: RUSS
                Research missions in far and near space are carried out by the United States, the European Union, Japan, China and India - Russia is far from leadership in this direction.


                Oh how. Somehow you suddenly do not know that for the first time in the world direct observations of water ice on Mars were made by our scientists with the help of domestic equipment installed on the Mars Express. Yes? Or the detection of water on the Moon with the help of the domestic device Land also somehow passed your attention. laughing

                Quote: RUSS
                A serious loss for the industry was the closure of the program for the study of the Sun, which could make a scientific revolution in astrophysics - the Intergeliozond project. All work on the project has been discontinued.


                Work on this project has been suspended, not closed. The same thing happened earlier with other projects that were later successfully implemented. Other work with other missions is currently underway.

                Quote: RUSS
                Russia failed to launch two missions to Mars - Mars-96 and Phobos-Grunt - as well as the Photon-M1 satellite.


                And what? Japan lost the spacecraft Nozomi, which did not enter Mars orbit, and the large astrophysical observatory Hitomi. The USA lost the Mars Climate Orbiter and Mars Polar Lander with two Deep Space 2 probes, which crashed on the surface. Europe lost the Beagle-2 and Schiaparelli landing craft and also crashed. India lost Vikram and Israel lost Bereshit.

                The list goes on and on ... but why? Errors are fixed and new devices are preparing for launches.
            2. -2
              4 December 2019 15: 59
              Roscosmos plans a lot of things
              but with the implementation is not particularly.
              1. +3
                4 December 2019 22: 52
                Quote: Vadim237
                but with the implementation is not particularly.


                What about "special"? The Angara-A5 rocket is preparing for the next test launch, and on the Irtysh rocket - the first stage fire bench tests early next year.
                1. -2
                  5 December 2019 19: 30
                  Before this, how many missile and ship projects were closed?
                  1. 0
                    6 December 2019 03: 17
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Before this, how many missile and ship projects were closed?


                    The Clipper-Parom low-orbit system was canceled due to the revision of the concept of Russia's manned program towards deep space. In addition, such a system simply increased the cost of putting kilograms into orbit to the ISS in comparison with our existing systems today. The same applies to the project of a transport cargo ship with increased carrying capacity - work on it has been suspended for the same reasons.

                    The Rus-M missile was canceled due to lack of funding from the Progress RCC. At that time, it was believed that the entire range of payloads, in the future, will close the Angara spacecraft. Then the concept of future launch vehicles was revised, they decided "not to put all their eggs in one basket" - on the basis of the groundwork for "Rus-M" today, "Soyuz-5" and "Soyuz-6" are being created.
          6. -3
            4 December 2019 14: 02
            It is better to keep silent about the rovers until there is confirmation of their presence on the planet, and not in the neighboring desert.
            1. -1
              4 December 2019 14: 19
              Quote: John22
              It is better to keep silent about the rovers until there is confirmation of their presence on the planet, and not in the neighboring desert.

              ABOUT! And you are a conspiracy theorist laughing
          7. +6
            4 December 2019 14: 07
            Quote: Neznaika
            If the Russian space program is still afloat at the expense of American money for engines

            --------------------------
            Yes, it's not even about the money for the engines. Such money can be found with us. There will simply be a complete lack of demand for our space technologies, albeit 40 years ago. China has already copied and advanced the devices it needed. We will stupidly sit on our cosmic heritage, not knowing what to do with it.
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          9. +4
            4 December 2019 15: 54
            Quote: Neznaika
            And do not make people laugh with a robot Fedor?

            It is clear, everything is "bad". However, if it is necessary to fly into space, the Americans (and not only) bow down to Russia. It means that "Tesloy" is laughing, this is normal, but "Fedor" is not to your liking .. One question, did Navalny write you the text? We know everything about American and international space programs. But until now, the highest achievement in astronautics is the flight of a man into space, and not some kind of "high-tech scrap metal".
            1. 0
              4 December 2019 19: 24
              Bulk did not write. He writes according to templates that are written in the State Duma (not the State Duma) laughing ), because there is no brain from the word at all.
          10. +8
            4 December 2019 16: 26
            Quote: Neznaika
            If the Russian space program is still afloat at the expense of American money for engines

            And if "no" this is just your guess, isn't it?

            Quote: Neznaika
            For the American space program, the non-delivery of the RD-180 is a mosquito bite, which she will not notice.

            And here there are big doubts. If there would be a "mosquito bite" (which for the money can be so) Then, in the absence of an engine, what should they fly? If they buy from "aggressive Russia" and push this purchase through Congress so that everyone clearly understands its need, then maybe this is still important for America? And in this sense, no longer a "mosquito bite"? Well, we are good, we will sell for American money, we will also say that the workers need to be occupied. At this point, the scale of patriotism will go off the scale. Alas, I disagree with you, I think that they need to show the donut hole and not the engines and steal less (I'm talking about "Vostochny")
            1. -3
              4 December 2019 17: 05
              in the absence of rd-180-181, they will fly on falcons and deltas, and they still do so
          11. +7
            4 December 2019 17: 19
            Quote: Neznaika
            What will Roskosmos do when it does not? For the American space program, the non-delivery of the RD-180 is a mosquito bite, which she will not notice.

            And then what about the American sanctions so carefully avoiding both the RD-180 and the ISS tickets?
            Could have long ago "brought down" our space industry, since for them it is a mosquito bite, but for us it is a polar animal ..
            Quote: Neznaika
            Maybe it's time to reduce arrogance and admit that Russia has lost its leading position in space?

            Maybe it's time. But it’s too early for Americans to rejoice in their own ships. Let them jump first, and then the gop say.
            1. -5
              4 December 2019 22: 44
              And then what about the American sanctions so carefully avoiding both the RD-180 and the ISS tickets?

              > they do not have the city of Voronezh and the tradition of bombing it.
          12. +2
            4 December 2019 18: 31
            When a private American company without a huge Soviet legacy for some unhappy few years created a heavy carrier Falcon Heavy.

            Well, actually there is a huge legacy of NASA.
            1. 0
              4 December 2019 19: 26
              This is not a legacy. This is a NASA project.
              1. +1
                4 December 2019 19: 28
                Especially. The same NASA engineers, only in a "small enterprise" earn extra money.
          13. +1
            4 December 2019 18: 56
            a private American company without a huge Soviet legacy for some unhappy few years created a heavy carrier Falcon Heavy


            Maybe this nonsense is enough to repeat? About a private company, about "built from scratch", etc. Billions of budgets and half of the NASA team in the asset and billions of losses in the liability. Already got this Ilona!
          14. +4
            4 December 2019 21: 53
            here people justify their nickname completely laughing

            Quote: Neznaika
            They will not buy. And they said this in plain text.


            Others will buy.

            Quote: Neznaika
            Stop selling engines? And who better to do?


            Myself, the engines will go to our rockets. RD-180MV will go to Soyuz-6. RD-181 at Soyuz-2.1v, after completion of operation of NK-33.

            Quote: Neznaika
            If the Russian astronautics is still afloat at the expense of American money for engines, money for tickets to the ISS and for several contracts such as maintenance by the Toilet Energy on the ISS?


            These are extrabudgetary sources of funding. And without a toilet it’s bad, everything will be closed, recent events have shown it. lol

            Quote: Neznaika
            What will Roskosmos do when it does not?


            There will be other sources of extrabudgetary funding.

            Quote: Neznaika
            For the American space program, the non-delivery of the RD-180 is a mosquito bite, which she will not notice. But what will the Russian workers engaged in the production of engines do?


            To make the same engines, only improved and cheaper, for the Soyuz-6 launch vehicle.

            Quote: Neznaika
            Maybe it's time to reduce arrogance and admit that Russia has lost its leading position in space?


            What is it from what a binge you saw? laughing

            Quote: Neznaika
            What are we proud of today?


            You do not know what we are proud of.

            Quote: Neznaika
            The role of the space cab on the ISS? But this is like laughing!


            Yah. lol And who is not a space cab? Europa, that "carries" satellites into orbit of its "Ariane-5"? Musk, who "carries" satellites in his Falcon to the same orbit and cargo on the Dragon to the ISS? Really funny.

            Quote: Neznaika
            Proud of the Queen's genius? Devices of temporary development of the second half of the last century?


            Oh oh Nothing has been done by anyone better so far at the price of delivery to orbit.

            Quote: Neznaika
            What has Russia done new in space? NOTHING!


            Well, you are Dunno. Read smart books, become a Znayka.

            Quote: Neznaika
            In addition to cutting money for projects that are no longer needed, such as the Angara.


            Our military does not think so.

            Quote: Neznaika
            This is at a time when cosmonautics in the world is really developing by leaps and bounds.


            What invented a photon starship? lol

            Quote: Neznaika
            When the surface of Mars is successfully plowed by rovers,


            We observe the same surface of Mars from orbit.

            Quote: Neznaika
            when the Hubble and the Kepler Orbital Telescope are operating successfully,


            We have successfully operated the "Integral", "Radioastron", launched by us, and now the "Spectr-RG" has begun work.

            Quote: Neznaika
            when space probes land on moving comets,


            and get lost after that, as was with Phil laughing

            Quote: Neznaika
            when soil images are taken from asteroids,


            Well, they’re probably wondering how such a soil differs from the moon

            Quote: Neznaika
            when the Cassini space probe takes great pictures of Saturn, etc ...


            Yeah, cool photos, yes.

            Quote: Neznaika
            When a private American company without a huge Soviet legacy for some unhappy few years created a heavy carrier Falcon Heavy.


            Left without payload.

            Quote: Neznaika
            A carrier that Roscosmos cannot even think of today!


            We have already prepared a better media project and work on its elements has already begun.

            Quote: Neznaika
            Maybe stop throwing caps on the ceiling? And proud of the past achievements of the USSR?


            We have many of our achievements today.

            Quote: Neznaika
            And to admit that things in Russian astronautics are awful? What are the leading world positions completely lost? And to start at least something to correct this shameful situation? Really?


            Do you have it again with a crossover? laughing

            Quote: Neznaika
            And do not make people laugh with a robot Fedor?


            We laugh together when Artyom flies, right? laughing Do not drink a lot and study well at school so as not to carry a blizzard.
          15. kig
            -2
            5 December 2019 09: 02
            But we have:

          16. -2
            5 December 2019 21: 21
            I still remembered Phobos-Grunt ......., sadly, but true.
          17. -2
            6 December 2019 10: 14
            It seems to me that after this comment you can stop further discussions and comments altogether. All the same, nothing more can be said about this topic.
        3. -2
          4 December 2019 15: 24
          Don't say gop until you've jumped

          At the same time, "Until the thunder breaks out, the man does not cross himself" © this is about our Roscosmos, while the Americans pay, they sit like Emelya on the stove, and they stop, move, well, like the sanctions pushed to import substitution
      2. -1
        4 December 2019 11: 47
        I hope that everything will be fine with us, although the news does not hint at it
        1. bar
          +4
          4 December 2019 12: 54
          "I believe because it is absurd" (c)
      3. 0
        4 December 2019 12: 20
        Guess what, until 2024 nothing will change. And the "effective managers" of RosKosmos have enough time for reflection
        1. -1
          4 December 2019 14: 01
          Quote: knn54
          Guess what, until 2024 nothing will change. And the "effective managers" of RosKosmos have enough time for reflection

          A great success for the Russian space industry will be the launch of the "Federation" - if it ever takes place. The development of a spacecraft capable of flying to the moon and being part of a space station for up to a year has been underway since 2005. However, the launch dates of the device were repeatedly postponed - it is expected that the first flight of the heavy version of the "Federation" to the Earth satellite will take place after 2025.
          1. 0
            4 December 2019 16: 03
            Let’s hope that at least Rosatom will finish it by 2026, and for flights to other planets in the future there will be a line
        2. -1
          4 December 2019 14: 41
          Somehow he worked as a friend of a friend in some branch of Roscosmos. According to him, the office was actively engaged in window dressing at that time.
          What did it look like. Unrealistic deadlines were initially set (as performers warned the management). When the time was right and effective managers were convinced that the employees really weren’t in time, there was a cry with demands to do at least something that could be shown. As a result, a snag was created for the show.
          1. +2
            4 December 2019 16: 13
            Quote: spectr
            As a result, a snag was created for the show.

            And this is when everyone is still flying on the ISS, on Russian ships. What a show, wake up. They are old, go new, it doesn't matter. Nobody in the world can do this, with all their technological "development" .. Perhaps the Chinese, but there is still a long way off.
            1. -1
              4 December 2019 18: 03
              All right. Our ancestors gloriously worked, making a step forward for several generations (and maybe centuries). What can we brag about now? Started the development of an atomic space engine. So much has already been announced about the beginning of all developments, and loudly. But the finale is usually silent.
              1. +3
                4 December 2019 21: 10
                Quote: spectr
                Our ancestors gloriously worked, making a reserve for several generations (and maybe centuries) ahead

                And in the states, the ancestors did not bother and did not leave the groundwork? Where is it all? What kind of nonsense are you talking about. Just tell me, the West has lost its technological heritage in its pursuit of easy profits in the banking sector. Apart from iPhones and information technology, there is nothing left. Also in the presence of bucks (but they do not fly into space by themselves) and gays with lesbians, as the main trend of our time in the West (but they, here's an ambush, do not fly into space). Engineers were completely withdrawn, but lawyers and economists remained. Before you rattle on the keyboard, really look who flies and who does not. Have already been bullied, juvenile "thinkers".
                1. 0
                  5 December 2019 10: 10
                  And in the states there was an even greater reserve. That is why, despite all the destructive changes abroad, we buy equipment from foreign manufacturers or from foreign components in stores.
                  1. +1
                    5 December 2019 15: 50
                    Quote: spectr
                    we buy in stores equipment or foreign production

                    Everything is clear, the generation of iPhones. In addition to fashionable gadgets, you see nothing in the world. This is your god. Pray further. Speaking of birds, be surprised, but all of America, and Europe, is buying foreign-made equipment, namely Chinese. Moreover, almost the entire range of goods. For example, in the states, ALL products (especially the equipment that you are so worried about) MADE IN CHIMA. And please do not post more nonsense on the forum, or do not write at all.
                2. -1
                  6 December 2019 02: 11
                  > Also in the presence of bucks (but they do not fly into space by themselves)

                  they fly in a mission a little further than the Earth’s orbit.

                  > Before you rattle on the keyboard, really look who flies and who doesn't

                  Let's get a look. The United States has launched more people into space than all the rest of the world combined.
                  1. 0
                    6 December 2019 02: 15
                    Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                    Let's get a look. The United States has launched more people into space than all the rest of the world combined.

                    When? Why are you raving. They haven't been flying at all for eight years now. And when they fly, it is not known. What the conversation is about, you’re our Shtovsky.
                    1. -1
                      6 December 2019 02: 17
                      Is always. Let’s calculate live how much the United States has taken people into space and how much - the rest of the world. If I am right - 10k from you. I am wrong - 10k from me.
          2. +9
            4 December 2019 17: 43
            Quote: spectr
            Somehow he worked as a friend of a friend in some branch of Roscosmos.

            recourse daughter of an officer ??? wassat wassat lol lol lol
      4. +3
        4 December 2019 14: 04
        Quote: Labrador
        The one who laughs last laughs well.

        hi
        "It is good to laugh to the one who laughs without consequences." That is more correct.
      5. -1
        4 December 2019 15: 51
        Laughs the one who laughs last

        The one who laughs last is clearly not the smartest.
      6. +2
        4 December 2019 19: 32
        Well, from tomorrow we don’t fly into space, but how are we now without huge American money!? request
      7. -1
        4 December 2019 21: 33
        Hmm, have not seen enough? here, everything has been obvious for a long time, who are in the lead, who are in the tail
      8. -1
        5 December 2019 15: 57
        It would not hurt the Americans sometimes, but can always read their sage Mark Twain, especially "Yankel of Konektikut at the court of King Arthur." There was one soothsayer who always prophesied what did not happen. Finally, Yankel appointed him a fortuneteller.
    2. +9
      4 December 2019 10: 45
      everyone has their own bed and - should have their own trampolines
      1. +14
        4 December 2019 10: 55
        and your toilets smile
        Dear moderators, this is not about Ukraine, but about the ISS American sector
    3. +8
      4 December 2019 10: 46
      Whether Russia is able to maintain independence in the space industry remains a question, he writes.

      I didn’t understand something, and the Russian cosmonauts, starting in the summer of 2020, will automatically begin to fly according to the quota on American ships or something ?? !!
      Yes, our launches will be reduced, etc., but where does the concept of an independent space industry? Where is the logic and connection?
      1. +13
        4 December 2019 11: 41
        Americans will start flying on their own, Russians will continue to fly on their own.
        Europeans and others will choose.
        The author meant, apparently, that funding of Roscosmos with foreign currency (for launches) will be reduced, and it will be more difficult for Roscosmos to develop new projects.
        1. -5
          4 December 2019 11: 43
          Quote: voyaka uh
          It will be more difficult for Roscosmos to master new projects.

          Roscosmos is not enough money.
          The head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin said that the Russian state corporation has no critical lag behind NASA in technical terms, but acknowledged the lag in financing. He wrote about this on his twitter.

          Rogozin noted that at present “the consequences of the loss of the pace of development of the industry over the past 10-12 years” are observed, but he does not see a critical lag.

          At the same time, according to him, the budget of the Russian state corporation is 20 times less than that of NASA
          1. +14
            4 December 2019 12: 16
            Quote: RUSS
            According to him, the budget of the Russian state corporation is 20 times less than that of NASA

            So I would have made myself a salary twenty times less than that of the head of NASA.
            1. 0
              4 December 2019 12: 25
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: RUSS
              According to him, the budget of the Russian state corporation is 20 times less than that of NASA

              So I would have made myself a salary twenty times less than that of the head of NASA.

              Rogozin works with processing)))) hence such a salary
              1. -2
                4 December 2019 12: 37
                Quote: RUSS
                Rogozin works with processing

                Of course, he doesn’t sleep at night, he thinks how to launch the 45 promised launches by the New Year. It remains that very little thing, only about 17 pieces. Or 27 ... Or you can launch it from a rocket launcher.
                1. +2
                  4 December 2019 14: 23
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  to start the New Year.

                  He was not the only one to promise ....
                  For example, in 2008, on the wave of popularity, Putin put forward a number of fundamental slogans, which ultimately were enshrined in the concept of socio-economic development of Russia by 2020.

                  Putin's first and most important promise: the average salary of Russians in 2020 is $ 2700 a month. At the current rate of 2700 dollars - 170 thousand.

                  Then Putin promised that by 2020 the share of the middle class in Russia will be “more than 50%”. Now, according to official statistics, the share of the middle class is 7%. Apparently, in a month there will be much more.
                2. +10
                  4 December 2019 14: 26
                  For 20 lyam a month Ragozin also writes poetry.
                  1. +2
                    4 December 2019 18: 36
                    This is from the Writers' Union a fee for poetry. As there, in the old song: "At night in silence / I write poems ..."
                3. +3
                  4 December 2019 23: 01
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  It remains the very smallness, only pieces 17. Or 27


                  You think badly. 30 has already been made from previously planned for this year.
                  1. -4
                    4 December 2019 23: 27
                    Quote: slipped
                    You think badly. 30 has already been made from previously planned for this year.

                    15 left? Or 12, since Rogozin has already stated that import partners failed with three devices?
                    1. 0
                      5 December 2019 02: 50
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      15 left? Or 12, since Rogozin has already stated that import partners failed with three devices?


                      In total, about 30 ILV launches were planned for this year. The rest are ICBMs. Even before he said this in September, it was known about the delays in the launch of domestic spacecraft this year - Resursa-P No. 4, MLM-U Nauka, and the shift in the launch of Grumman's spacecraft was postponed by the launch of Express "80 and 103. Towards the end of the year, it turned out that OneWeb was also delayed with its satellite cluster - during the testing process they had difficulties. Rockets for all these spacecraft have been fired, the matter depends on the readiness of the payload.

                      To date, five launches of space rockets are known before the end of the year. Two from Plesetsk, two from Baikonur, one of the GKTs. Perhaps there will be more launches.
        2. +6
          4 December 2019 11: 54
          The author meant, apparently, that funding of Roscosmos with foreign currency (for launches) will be reduced, and it will be more difficult for Roscosmos to develop new projects.

          no, The Hill had in mind the end precisely as a space power. In their opinion, ̶е̶к̶о̶н̶о̶м̶и̶к̶а̶ ̶Р̶о̶с̶с̶и̶и̶ ̶р̶а̶з̶о̶р̶в̶а̶н̶а̶ ̶в̶ ̶к̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶ of the space industry in our country is completely overwhelmed, now Russian satellites and Russian cosmonauts will be worse or worse for Europe. Another wet fantasies
        3. bar
          +1
          4 December 2019 12: 58
          Americans will start flying on their own, Russians will continue to fly on their own.

          This is all great as long as the ISS is functioning. And where will the Russians fly after 2024?
          1. +1
            4 December 2019 23: 03
            Quote: bar
            This is all great as long as the ISS is functioning. And where will the Russians fly after 2024?


            And what, will the ISS be flooded in the year 2024? laughing We will fly to our modules. Including to the moon.
        4. +4
          4 December 2019 13: 26
          voyaka uh ....Author meant ....

          What the author had in mind is understandable without prompters.

          Russian President Vladimir Putin is spending too much money on "imperial adventures" in Syria and Ukraine for anything left to support the Russian space program.
          What is more here - space or politics ?! No. hi
        5. +1
          4 December 2019 14: 04
          Let them start flying on their ships first!
        6. 0
          4 December 2019 15: 18
          One place costs about 50 lyamas. How many of them did we launch there each year? This is a penny, I don’t understand kipish.

          For a month, we put 10 lards in a small bottle, we will somehow survive the loss of a hundred lyam a year.
    4. -3
      4 December 2019 10: 47
      Russian economy, overly dependent on oil and gas and suffering from corruption and inefficiency


      It's hard to disagree with this ..
      NASA's commercial space flight program will work in the summer of 2020

      That's when it works .. but really Rogozin is out of place, and everyone else ..
      1. +6
        4 December 2019 10: 53
        "Rogozin is out of place, and so are all the others .."
        You are on your way ...
        1. -5
          4 December 2019 11: 35
          Did Rogozin hire you as a lawyer? But for some reason, defending a non-poor minister, you rushed to insult a friend in the forum
          1. +4
            4 December 2019 11: 38
            Quote: Gardamir
            Did Rogozin hire you as a lawyer? But for some reason, defending a non-poor minister, you rushed to insult a friend in the forum

            I'm talking about everyone else. Can he ?!
          2. +4
            4 December 2019 11: 58
            Did Rogozin hire you as a lawyer? But for some reason, defending a non-poor minister, you rushed to insult a friend in the forum

            Who hired you? Why are those who have a position different from your chants necessarily "corrupt defenders"? What is this revolutionary approach: "Everyone who is not with us is against us"? And what did he offend? It's hard to insult Svarog, it's like insulting a printer that prints stupid text. He himself does not know what he sometimes carries.
            1. -4
              4 December 2019 12: 08
              And you there too. You can simply write that you do not agree with the opinion of Svarog, what are these flowery phrases in which there is a desire to pinch an opponent more painfully.
              It is impossible to speak badly of a minister, because all of them are day and night baked about the welfare of the country and people.
              1. +5
                4 December 2019 12: 31
                Quote: Gardamir
                You can’t talk badly about a minister, for...

                ... neither the so-called "Svarog", nor you - the subject does not own that word "absolutely".

                Therefore, all your exercises here are slander ... but they will not begin to punish you for your pettyness and multiplicity. What are you all doing here successfully and using.

                Wrestlers, damn it, for all the good and against all the bad negative
                1. -3
                  4 December 2019 13: 32
                  Am I talking about the subject? I just wrote, "guys, let's live together." I do not like the opinion of my opponent, why should I care?
                  1. -1
                    4 December 2019 13: 51
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    I wrote, "guys, let's live together"

                    With "welded"? This is unlikely to work request

                    Quote: Gardamir
                    why spit on him?

                    The "opponent" specializes in spitting on the surrounding reality. And he does it completely deliberately. In him, for good, not only (and not so much) "spit" it would be necessary.

                    Somehow request
              2. +4
                4 December 2019 17: 48
                Quote: Gardamir
                You can simply write that you do not agree with the opinion of Svarog, what are these flowery phrases in which there is a desire to pinch an opponent more painfully.

                what You first convey this thesis to your "brothers", then read the morality to others !!! wassat wink wink lol lol lol
    5. +13
      4 December 2019 10: 48
      Actually, all tickets are sold, and the United States continues to stand at the box office - is there an extra ticket. So early to count chickens. laughing
    6. +18
      4 December 2019 10: 48
      In the USA, they predicted the "beginning of the end" of Russia as a space power

      It is somewhat strange to hear this from people hitchhiking to the ISS.
      1. -2
        4 December 2019 22: 16
        This is said by people who delivered more people into space than all the others combined.
        1. 0
          5 December 2019 09: 07
          and not just more, but two and a half times more, and in terms of the number of manned launches they are still leaders, despite three breaks in 3, 6, and so far eight years
    7. +9
      4 December 2019 10: 49
      They didn’t bake a pie yet, but already divided it and ate it
      1. -3
        4 December 2019 10: 51
        "Every joke has a bit of truth." But don't wait ...
      2. -1
        4 December 2019 11: 44
        Yes, there hasn’t been a cook yet.
    8. +9
      4 December 2019 10: 49
      Cool they are guys.
      First, they triumphantly "deprive Russia of money".
      Then Russia will be forced to work more closely in space with China
      Then the Americans will begin to whine that China, taking advantage of its enormous financial capabilities and Soviet-Russian technologies, is ahead of them in space exploration ...

      They are really like one-day butterflies, no even attempts to calculate the consequences of their vagaries.
      1. ZVS
        +10
        4 December 2019 11: 07
        Shovels, money, Russia is not being deprived by the Americans, but by the leadership of Russia, investing hydrocarbon profits in the economies of other countries through the purchase of their currencies and securities.
        1. +2
          4 December 2019 11: 09
          Quote: SU
          Shovels, money, Russia is not being deprived by the Americans, but by the leadership of Russia, investing hydrocarbon profits in the economies of other countries through the purchase of their currencies and securities.

          You can invest in your own. And in the next crisis, which is not far off, to repeat the experience of Venezuela

          With regards to space, now there are no independent ones. Nobody can afford it, including the Americans.
          1. +4
            4 December 2019 11: 40
            [Quote
            With regards to space, now there are no independent ones. Nobody can afford it, including the Americans.] [/ Quote]
            Here you are right - the space industry is too expensive for private owners.
            The fact that the United States has relied on Elon Mask is a strategic mistake.
            Even a brilliant private trader will not pull the whole industry, which in the USSR was represented by hundreds of enterprises, with tens of thousands of employees.
            And Russia, with our developments in space, is too early to write off.
            We will deal with bribe takers, kleptocrats in power - not for centuries.
            1. +2
              4 December 2019 11: 42
              Quote: Paul Siebert
              The fact that the United States has relied on Elon Mask is a strategic mistake.

              8)))))
              Or maybe the other way around?
              Musk is not required to provide information on his activities to taxpayers. Unlike NASA.
              So easier to cut 8)))))
              1. +5
                4 December 2019 11: 48
                I am not against the services of the Mask in general and private traders in a particular case.
                MAIN bet on them can not be done.
                Private owner Krupp lost to state metallurgists of Magnitogorsk and tank builders of Chelyabinsk during the war.
                1. +2
                  4 December 2019 11: 50
                  Quote: Paul Siebert
                  I am not against the services of the Mask in general and private traders in a particular case.
                  MAIN bet on them can not be done.

                  Or maybe he is not a "private trader" but a "screen"?
                  1. +1
                    4 December 2019 12: 15
                    We have no magic ball ... sad
              2. +2
                4 December 2019 17: 52
                Quote: Spade
                Musk is not required to provide information on his activities to taxpayers. Unlike NASA.

                and there someone from the "sawing" is interested in the opinion of taxpayers ??? what wassat wassat who climbs into this business, dies by "suicide" and deal with it !!! lol lol lol
                1. +1
                  4 December 2019 17: 55
                  Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                  and there someone from the "sawing" is interested in the opinion of taxpayers ???

                  Still as interested. For there will always be an ambitious prosecutor or judge who, on any jamb, will try to earn extra weight.
                  And money loves silence
                  1. +2
                    4 December 2019 18: 14
                    Quote: Spade
                    For there will always be an ambitious prosecutor or judge who, on any jamb, will try to earn extra weight.

                    and will soon die a "suicidal" death !!! laughing laughing Do not idealize the Amer state system !! wink
          2. ZVS
            -3
            4 December 2019 12: 20
            The crisis precisely because of this happens that money is withdrawn from the country, and not invested in the development of the economy, new technologies.
            And space can be pulled if you know the purpose, and not to shoot rocket after rocket just to bring another crew to the ISS. The Chinese launched a lunar rover on the far side of the moon and are studying it. Mars Americans are studying. What are we studying? And we are studying money theft schemes in Roscosmos (read Putin).
            1. -1
              4 December 2019 12: 23
              Quote: SU
              And we are studying schemes of theft of money in Roscosmos

              This is what you are studying. Because apart from this, you are not interested in anything.

              Roskosmos itself does a lot of other (useful) things, except as soon as it steals money laughing
            2. +2
              4 December 2019 16: 12
              New technologies and high-tech industries have always been, are and will be one of the longest payback and risky investments.
        2. +5
          4 December 2019 12: 25
          Quote: SU
          It’s not the Americans who deprive Russia of money, but the Russian leadership, investing hydrocarbon profits in the economies of other countries

          Oh, damn it. Another "economist" drew in.

          Are you being cloned or what? And most importantly - all "thoughts" - as a blueprint. For some reason, I remember the word "training manual" wink
          1. -5
            4 December 2019 12: 37
            Maybe everything is easier ?? If people write the same thing about obvious things ..
            Although, as it turns out, there are those for whom the postulate 2 * 2 = 4 is a "manual" ..
            1. +4
              4 December 2019 17: 53
              Quote: Roman070280
              Although, as it turns out, there are those for whom the postulate 2 * 2 = 4 is a "manual" ..

              noooooo ... more of those to whom it was hollowed out that white is black !!! wink wassat wassat wassat
      2. +3
        4 December 2019 11: 21
        Well, the question is how much China needs. Rather, they need some technology to cut the path. They will also probably outsource some solutions in Russia. However, they have their own missile program with a slightly different school and ideology.

        They have a lot of developments that are not in Russia. For example, a carrier of a new generation is LM-8 with a return stage and accelerators. Again, a Chinese lunar rover crawls on the reverse side, a Russian one of a similar size, not even in funded programs, but in advance development. The Chinese lunar station is getting ready for a ground collection mission soon. Chinese missions to the asteroid (ZhengHe) and Mars are already being prepared and all the contractors there are selected.

        Station - Tianhe in active development. There is Russian participation there, but it is a Chinese station.
        1. +6
          4 December 2019 11: 35
          Quote: donavi49
          Well, the question is how much China needs. Rather, they need some technology to cut the path.


          The last time Russia sold technology to them was in the 90s. The descent vehicle of the Soyuz spacecraft. They turned out to be Shenzhou. Truth flies something rarely.

          Quote: donavi49
          They will also probably outsource some solutions in Russia.


          We bought RITEGs from us for their lunar in 2012.

          Quote: donavi49
          However, they have their own missile program with a slightly different school and ideology.


          Engines purchased from Ukraine.

          Quote: donavi49
          They have a lot of developments that are not in Russia. For example, a carrier of a new generation is LM-8 with a return stage and accelerators.


          It does not fly yet. We also have similar studies.

          Quote: donavi49
          Again, a Chinese lunar rover crawls on the reverse side, a Russian one of a similar size, not even in funded programs, but in advance development.


          That is what creeps. laughing There is no Russian on the other side. And on irreversible - is. Moreover, there are already two options. Fly as part of the lunar program.

          Quote: donavi49
          The Chinese lunar station is getting ready for a ground collection mission soon.


          Three stations have done this before. 45 years ago. Soil is still being explored.

          Quote: donavi49
          Chinese missions to the asteroid (ZhengHe) and Mars are already being prepared and all the contractors there are selected.


          Good luck to them.

          Quote: donavi49
          Station - Tianhe in active development. There is Russian participation there, but it is a Chinese station.


          And here, in India, Russian participation is planned. laughing
        2. +1
          4 December 2019 11: 44
          Quote: donavi49
          Well, the question is how much China needs.

          Really needed.
          Any, even microscopic help is a huge plus.
          1. +7
            4 December 2019 12: 31
            Quote: Spade
            Really needed.
            Any, even microscopic help is a huge plus.


            We have created a joint data center for the moon. And our new lunar missions and theirs are synchronized for work.
    9. ZVS
      +2
      4 December 2019 10: 50
      The era of space power remained in the 80s. The current leadership of the country is not capable
      organize the creation of space systems. The political system of modern Russia is capable of
      just scoop the bowels and sell them to our sworn friends, leaving profits offshore
      Cyprus accounts. Now we see the sunset of space exploration and theft in Roscosmos.
      1. -1
        4 December 2019 10: 55
        I agree. What are all their unrealized projects worth? There are many beautiful names, at the exit 0. The industry is still breathing thanks to the achievements of the USSR. It's not for long.
        1. ZVS
          +5
          4 December 2019 11: 05
          And mind you, exploiting the Soviet technological developments, the authorities simultaneously vilify the Soviet system in any case.
      2. +7
        4 December 2019 11: 12
        Quote: SU
        Now we see the sunset of space exploration and theft in Roscosmos.

        You already decide. The sunset of theft in Roscosmos will not lead to a logical growth in the industry?
        1. -2
          4 December 2019 11: 44
          If you close the issue of theft, what will lead to logical growth in the industry? At what level are domestic achievements and achievements?
          1. +1
            4 December 2019 11: 47
            Quote: Elephant
            If you close the issue of theft, what will lead to logical growth in the industry? At what level are domestic achievements and achievements?

            So you tell me. You probably know if you predict the sunset.
            My logic is that the industry is alive despite the known problems.
            And if one problem becomes less, then it will gradually recover.
            There is everything necessary for this.
          2. -3
            4 December 2019 12: 14
            The issue of theft in modern Russia is not resolved. Here we need a different approach to the rights of an overgrown man.
            1. ZVS
              -1
              5 December 2019 14: 32
              So in the capitalist system, theft is the basis of building the system and its economy. The owner steals part of the employee’s salary, the co-founder tries to grab a block of shares from the partner, the partners try to ... each other and so on everywhere. The basis of the psychology of capitalism is greed, and not humanity at all.
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    10. +5
      4 December 2019 10: 52
      this event will be the "beginning of the end" of Russia as a space power.
      But at the same time they reserve seats on our delivery vehicles to the ISS, buy our taxiways ... This is the "beginning of the end" for Russia in many industries, the Americans have predicted for many years. But, something is not going as planned.
      1. -2
        4 December 2019 11: 08
        Well again - it is already obvious here that both ships are at the final stage of development and certification. After 15 days, Starliner’s flight to the ISS.

        Only a serious accident or a successful diversion can slow down the program. At the same time, they insured themselves and both systems meet the same requirements but are created on completely different bases. If one system has a strong delay, then the other will be able to get ahead and take more launches and money.

        As for the engines, I will repeat the United States launched 23 missiles at the moment in 2019 (China 29/27, Russia 20).
        Of these, missile launches with the Russian engine:
        April 17 - Antares ISS Supply Mission
        August 8 - Atlas5 satellite launch for the Air Force
        November 2 - Antares ISS Supply Mission

        By the end of the year there will be another 1 flight from the Atlas-5 onboard ISS with the Starliner and 4 launches of American spacecraft with other types of engines.

        And Antares is a dead rocket. Engines for the ISS supply program purchased. The rocket is built only in the interests of NASA. For very dear and does not interfere in the markets. Probably in the next ISS supply program, Antares will no longer be, like any other customers for this rocket.
        1. +2
          4 December 2019 12: 45
          Quote: donavi49
          Well again - it is already obvious here that both ships are at the final stage of development and certification. After 15 days, Starliner’s flight to the ISS.

          Achtung !!
          This is written by a forum member (a regular nasa propagandist) who offered a 100% (!!!) chance that new American capsules will fly in 2018 !!
          Accordingly, it is clear how it relates to its forecasts.
          But he continues to broadcast for a long time and continuously - "just about", "soon, soon."

          At the same time, he doesn’t even specify that the Starliner’s flight, designated after the next postponement of the deadlines for December 19, is a test unmanned one.
          And this is an important point - because not all readers have time to track such events and may mistakenly think that people will fly.

          Ahead there are a lot of unexpected difficulties in working out these capsules (Orion, Straliner, Cru dragon), so it’s impossible to talk about their planned operation in the near future.
          1. -1
            4 December 2019 13: 32
            Delay in terms of world practice.

            Why didn’t fly this year? Boeing - due to budget problems, they left for 3 months for a legal reason + still unforeseen and other delays. But before the end of the year they will launch the Starliner to the ISS. This will be the final touch to manned flight certification. The next flight is manned.

            Musk - because he bombed the ship, on pre-flight tests. Any accident always delays the program. For certification for manned flights, he needs to pass MaxQ - probably before the end of the year or in January.

            However, I repeat - they have 2 ships for the same requirements, but on different systems. If before Boeing lagged behind. Now they have leveled off. Both systems must take 1 step and will receive certification for manned flights.

            To think that they are without help (what I wrote, or accidents or sabotage successful) - delaying the program is stupid.

            Yes, the first flight (which, incidentally, is NASA’s argument + insurance against various additional delays, in the desire to buy 2 more seats) Boe-CFT and DM-2 - without scientific work, since both crews will be fully loaded with tests of the ship, work with the ISS and a huge sheet of operations. That is, 2 crews fell out - even in the best scenario.

            Normal crews on the ISS will be in USCV-1 (two Americans and a Japanese) and USCV-2 (two Americans and a Frenchman + fourth place in doubt). Both should fly in the 3-4 quarter of 2020, subject to the normal development of the manned missions Boe-CFT and DM-2. But then again, the cosmos is such a thing - it’s real, in my opinion, one or both of the full-fledged missions will leave at the age of 21.
            1. +1
              4 December 2019 13: 37
              Quote: donavi49
              really, my opinion is, one or both will leave at 21.

              It is good that you have corrected yourself and do not write categorically about “just about”, “soon, soon”.
              I respect people (even if I do not agree with their activities) who respond constructively to criticism.
              Happy to help.
            2. +5
              4 December 2019 18: 05
              Quote: donavi49
              Delay in terms of world practice.

              for some reason, in Russia this is immediately called a grandiose failure ... especially in the comments on the most famous and advanced eXperts !!! wink lol lol lol
      2. -6
        4 December 2019 12: 34
        Quote: rotmistr60
        But at the same time they reserve seats on our delivery vehicles to the ISS,

        Booked until the end of 2020 and all.
    11. +2
      4 December 2019 10: 55
      (Whether Russia is able to maintain independence in the space industry remains a question, he writes.). Able, let them not even doubt if we stop confusing the state pocket with our pocket.
    12. +5
      4 December 2019 11: 00
      Looks very offended that ours refused to give their people a ride to the ISS. Experiencing. winked
      1. -8
        4 December 2019 11: 20
        Quote: Captive
        Looks very offended that ours refused to give their people a ride to the ISS. Experiencing. winked

        This is when our refused?
        1. +4
          4 December 2019 11: 57
          Yes, here on the copper.
          They said that earlier it was necessary to order.
          1. -9
            4 December 2019 12: 36
            Quote: Mestny
            Yes, here on the copper.
            They said that earlier it was necessary to order.

            NASA has a reservation until the end of 2020 for flights to the ISS in our Unions
    13. +7
      4 December 2019 11: 01
      Russian President Vladimir Putin spends too much money on "imperial adventures" in Syria and Ukraine,
      I especially liked this moment. For Putin, then, is an adventure, but for the United States, this is probably a matter of national security.
      In general, if you already started talking in this vein:
      With the start of the flights of American spacecraft to the ISS, Russia will be missing about $ 85 million for each seat for American astronauts, which will mark the beginning of the end of the "Russian space power."
      then most likely they will again postpone the start dates of manned flights ... No wonder they modestly said so that:
      it is recommended for the time being to purchase several seats at Russian Soyuz.
    14. +7
      4 December 2019 11: 06
      Fyodor smiled a tweet on this article:

      "Do they (the Americans and this newspaper) really think that Russia's status as a space power depends on whether Roscosmos sells them a couple more seats on its ships? Amazing myopia and incompetence."

      Even the car with its under-AI is smarter than the journalists of this publication.

      Meanwhile, "At 7.30 Moscow time at Baikonur, work has begun according to the schedule of the second launch day."

    15. +5
      4 December 2019 11: 06
      Another idle talk, with such articles they show that they themselves have a crisis and a crisis in their heads as well. Everything in a bunch, corruption, imperial ambitions, oil and gas, in short, you will not see space because we ourselves will fly, well, so fly. True, the GDP will choose for you next year, some seventy-five-year-old transgender president of an Arab-born ecologist from Mexico, you have never had anything like that. So he will not only forbid you to fly into space, he will forbid you to drive cars without changing sex from "M" to "F" and from "F" to "M"
    16. +5
      4 December 2019 11: 13
      According to The Hill

      Strictly speaking, here is not a statement, but a private opinion -
      MARK R. WHITTINGTON, AUTHOR OF OPINIONS - 02/12/19 15:00 EST OPINIONS SPOKEN BY THE AUTHORS ARE THEM OWN, NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL

      In response, my opinion is - don't say "hop" until you jump!
    17. +3
      4 December 2019 11: 13
      NASA’s commercial space flight program will launch in the summer of 2020,

      Again and again. They said, we believed, probably.
      We'll see.
    18. +2
      4 December 2019 11: 23
      Russian President Vladimir Putin spends too much money on "imperial adventures" in Syria and Ukraine
      .

      American officials are hypocritical and stupid.

      Let Syria better tell us about the US ambitions in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria, where they have been sitting since 2001, which led the United States to a national debt of 23 trillion, which continues to grow.

      The Russian cosmos was born and functioned without American astronauts earlier, and will do without them in the future.

      Tourists will again be transported into space instead of American astronauts.
    19. -8
      4 December 2019 11: 32
      Not really, our space program is in the pope. Compare the US space exploration programs and ours, and China also does not lag behind the United States. So optimism is especially not in our space program, the terms are constantly shifting, grandmas are stealing ....
      1. +1
        4 December 2019 11: 38
        you and your comments constantly go to minus .... one question ... who are you, a liberalist or a hohlozvon?
        1. -2
          4 December 2019 11: 59
          He is hohlorast.
      2. +6
        4 December 2019 11: 51
        Where did they get their extensive programs? In Popular Mechanics magazine or in press briefings? So it is better to take these press briefings over ten years and compare with reality ... This will be Analysis. Well, about our Chinese friends, it’s better not ... But how can they not "steal" the metal card of the direct outflow channel, and what, on copies of Soviet space rockets to storm .. sitting in copies of Soviet ships? I do not observe the implementation. I hear nonsense about "Wishlist" continuously. More money? Well, let them fill the combustion chambers with bucks and yuan along the vector of ascent forward! But we do not fly much! And where and why more? It's not an aircraft carrier to build. This is understandable and familiar ... If I were you, I would, for example, review the composition and effectiveness of the space group. Not by the number of units, but by functionality. At the same time, I would have seen how many units they replace in the military field with ours (compared). And after all, what is characteristic, some kind of theirs columnist-idler "let the air in", and here they are already looking for "tendencies". Yes figs with them, well, they are not rushing, that's why they bark and ... they smear the fence with intellect. The Chinese giggle over our programs is not particularly audible.
        1. -6
          4 December 2019 22: 52
          you would be sober, it hurts to read
    20. +4
      4 December 2019 11: 35
      It's like the granny didn't get on the bus overcrowded (well, because one is on the line), stands at the bus stop, waves her stick in the trail and yells "damn you, die!"
    21. +1
      4 December 2019 11: 43
      As children, by God, they continue to live in the late 1950s - early 1960s. Apparently, a lot of idlers with billions of USD in korman appeared in the United States, who in childhood, due to their health, could not get into the NASA astronaut corps. Now they want to make up for lost time by being ready to engage in completely pointless projects, calling it "space exploration." Well, the rich have their quirks. And our space industry should take this into service. It's time to develop a variety of apple trees that can be planted on Mars and they can bloom there.
    22. -5
      4 December 2019 11: 46
      Quote: Maks Winter
      or hohlozvon?

      Ukrainians also hinder Rogozin.

      The "Roskosmos" listed the main reasons for the lag of the company from the main indicators prescribed in the state program of space activities for 2013-2020.
      Representatives of Roscosmos on the official website of the organization published a report on the activities of the corporation for 2017. Among the main achievements of the Russian company is the formation of its own orbital constellation, the preservation of Russia's leading position in the space launch market and the completion of construction of such objects of the first stage as the Vostochny spaceport.

      In addition, the report contains a table reflecting the achievement of planned indicators in accordance with the state program of space activities for the period from 2013 to 2020. It should be noted that the main indicator here is the fulfillment of the existing plan for the share of Russian exports of rocket and other space technology in the world. Instead of 24,5 percent prescribed in the plan, the Roscosmos indicator amounted to 8,6 percent. At the same time, in 2016 this figure was 8,8 percent. Also, the corporation could not fulfill the plan for the number of launches. Instead of 25, only 17 were made.

      The main reasons for the lag of the corporation from the planned indicators are the ruble depreciation, Ukraine’s failure to fulfill its obligations to supply certain components and "Dumping prices" by the American private company SpaceX. Due to the first factor, Roscosmos failed to purchase the necessary “high-quality imported equipment”. Because of the second, three launches were canceled, and SpaceX is in significant competition in the market of launching various satellites into orbit. In addition, the corporation also noted a reduction in budget funding for the space industry.
      1. +6
        4 December 2019 12: 45
        Quote: RUSS
        Ukraine's failure to fulfill its obligations to supply certain components


        Don't you know that practically all of the Russian "space fleet" included Ukraine through cooperation? lol

        Yes, at least on missiles:

        1. Launch vehicle "Dnepr", operator "Kosmotras" - engineering support of the RS-20V launch vehicle, creation of the third stage with a payload launch unit.
        2. Zenit launch vehicle, operator Roscosmos - creation of first and second stage tanks, production of second stage engines.
        3. Launch vehicle "Rokot", operator company "Eurokot" - engineering support of the RS-18 launch vehicle, creation of a control system for the RB "Breeze-KM".
        4. Soyuz-U (FG) launch vehicle, operator Roscosmos - creation of a control system.

        All of these missiles are already decommissioned or decommissioned.

        There was also extensive cooperation on satellites and spacecraft.

        Quote: RUSS
        Roscosmos failed to purchase the necessary "high-quality imported equipment."


        And what is surprising if deliveries were practically stopped in 2014?
      2. -1
        4 December 2019 14: 43
        Quote: RUSS
        Ukrainians also hinder Rogozin.

        Now also these.
        The New Zealand company Rocket Lab for the first time successfully launched the Electron rocket. The light rocket during the second test launch successfully put into orbit three small satellites
    23. -2
      4 December 2019 11: 48
      Quote: SU
      Shovels, money, Russia is not being deprived by the Americans, but by the leadership of Russia, investing hydrocarbon profits in the economies of other countries through the purchase of their currencies and securities.

      I agree to all 1000% but you forgot about the oligators of their yachts, etc. here is another destructive element for the Russian economy
    24. -1
      4 December 2019 11: 55
      it’s okay. We’ll carry 85 lemons to the Merikos bathrooms. What difference does it make to whom to carry astronauts or a couple of shu. They are notable masters for keeping their latrines away.
    25. 0
      4 December 2019 11: 57
      Come on ... One journalist about trampolines, another about the end of Russia's comic program ... We exchanged "pleasantries." Everything is fine, we are working on ...
      PS Not everything is of course normal, but this is our space program and only we can scold her, we will not allow others. Definitely (s). Yes
    26. -2
      4 December 2019 12: 08
      The conservative leaders at Roscosmos need to be urgently replaced. When we see a high-quality Russian photo from Mars. When they make a rocket that climbs more than 25 tons. module like Delta-IV Heavy - 29t. or Changzheng-5 with 25t .. .. Where are the Russian satellites in space exploration, such as the European robot Rosetta. The whole world will sooner or later look out into space. The strong will dominate and control. Roscosmos has a limiting factor - these are people with limited perspective thinking. China and the USA have bold programs + big money. China and the United States had a GDP of about $ 2018 trillion by 18, and Russia $ 1,2 trillion. But for this, Russia has young engineers with excellent developments in the field of space technologies.
      1. +6
        4 December 2019 12: 57
        Quote: G. Georgiev
        The conservative leaders at Roscosmos need to be replaced urgently.


        Already replaced. laughing

        Quote: G. Georgiev
        When we see the Russian high-quality photo from Mars.


        In a year, our long-lived station will send a lot of them from the surface. Just as the astrophysical observatory "Spectr-RG" sends photos of star clusters now from the Lagrange point.



        Quote: G. Georgiev
        When they make a rocket that rises by more than 25 tons. module as Delta-IV Heavy - 29t. or Changzheng-5 with 25t .. ..


        By 2026, launching the Angara-A5V rocket. Will output - 38 tons.

        Quote: G. Georgiev
        Where are Russian satellites in space exploration, such as the European robot Rosetta.


        Landing station Luna-25 flies in the year 2021.
        1. -2
          4 December 2019 22: 55
          I don’t really want to climb into your beckoning world, but have you seriously compared the rosette and the moon-25?)
      2. +2
        4 December 2019 14: 32
        Quote: G. Georgiev
        China and the USA have bold programs

        Hindus, too, can not be discounted, despite the unsuccessful landing on the moon.
    27. -3
      4 December 2019 12: 08
      With Rogozin everything can be expected ...
    28. -5
      4 December 2019 12: 17
      This can be seen without glasses. Thanks to scouts and reporters, they tried their best.
    29. +1
      4 December 2019 12: 18
      In the US, predicted the "beginning of the end" of Russia as a space power

      this is blown away by those who do not have their own way of delivering astronauts into orbit. lol
    30. -2
      4 December 2019 12: 29
      The space race is worse than the arms race. You can get involved in the world and start up any country for the sake of the flag post of the name of a spherical horse and precisely in a vacuum. But the United States still lives on credit ... At least for the time being, the Chinese still will not put a bolt on the dollar for 5-10 years. And how will they then live on credit is another question and how to count money for space too ...
    31. 0
      4 December 2019 12: 29
      judging at what speed and in what volumes earthlings are destroying their planet, space exploration should take precedence so that there is an opportunity to fall on time
    32. -5
      4 December 2019 12: 42
      And here we have the patriot of America Ragozin effectively ruined the entire cosmonautics and Putin to a light bulb. And there would be no shooting like a traitor. So no, they were going to move to another position where there is still something to bring down
    33. The comment was deleted.
      1. +1
        4 December 2019 14: 24
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        Well, let's estimate. Since the 90s, we have launched only a couple of vehicles beyond the Earth's orbit (various lotions for European and international missions do not count) - and both of these vehicles did NOT fly.


        Yes Yes. Two European AMS towards Mars and Venus - successfully, and part of the data from them is ours. And the joint mission with Europe - ExoMars-2016 (in our part, namely the launch and operation of our devices at the station, everything is successful)

        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        I mean Phobos. Consider that our space has already died THEN.


        Chu. The ISS and more than 160 functioning spacecraft in orbit do not count.

        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        What we mean remembering Leonov, Gagarin and Lunokhod - "Venusian" missions and the first attempts to land on Mars, the study of Halley's comet - ALL this is in the VERY long past, and during the existence of the Russian Federation we did not think, did not do and did not even try to do nothing of the kind in scope and ambition.


        At least read the story. To carry such an illiterate blizzard. Schoolboy?

        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        Our space has long been closely occupied by such an "effective manager" as Rogozin - and although in words this person is like Leo Tolstoy, those observing his "successes" understand that everything is as in that impartial expression.


        Rogozin became the head of Roscosmos in the middle of last year. And what is wrong with success? This year we already have today 20 launches of space rockets this year - the same was for the entire last year. We have successfully launched 8 federal civilian vehicles, including the latest astrophysical station, military and commercial payloads. Five more launches this month. Those. start-up growth progress, as they say - on the face. laughing

        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        When the last firebrand remains on the ashes, then maybe the scale of what’s * reached will reach people, but for now, let it burn.


        Ay-yay, man, change the record :) lol
    34. -6
      4 December 2019 13: 37
      Do not care, soon Rogozin will build a skyscraper under a new office, then we will heal!
    35. 0
      4 December 2019 14: 35
      The American airline United Airlines has announced that it has decided to replace its existing Boeing 757-200s fleet with the Airbus A321XLR.

      The delivery of already ordered 50 new aircraft should begin in 2024.

      Boeing is currently unable to supply new mid-range aircraft to compete with the Airbus A321XLR. In addition, her aircraft technology is losing popularity in connection with the scandal associated with two crashes of 737 MAX family liners, which killed 346 people. The cause of the crash is considered a mismatch in the software systems of the aircraft. All airlines in the world have stopped operating Boeing 737 aircraft of the MAX family since March of this year.

      Airbus introduced the A321XLR only in June this year at the Paris Air Show. The range of the new narrow-body aircraft is 15% higher than that of its predecessor, the A321LR model, which makes it an economical alternative to long-range wide-body aircraft.

      United Airlines said it intends to use the new aircraft to serve European routes with departures from New York and Washington. laughing And you are cosmos laughing laughing
      1. 0
        4 December 2019 23: 13
        Quote: Gennady Fomkin
        Airbus introduced the A321XLR only in June this year at the Paris Air Show.


    36. vmo
      +1
      4 December 2019 14: 40
      The fact that the Americans are braggart is not news, but to carry this heresy, flying on Russian engines, is simply strange, although that you will take "the most, most" boastful and stupid nation.
    37. 0
      4 December 2019 14: 46
      In the USA, they predicted the "beginning of the end" of Russia as a space power if Great Russia refused to deliver Americans to space! am
    38. -2
      4 December 2019 15: 50
      the only reason for optimism is rainbow nonsense about brilliant prospects from the part of parasites who are not busy with their own business (yes I'm talking about a fat, astronaut, from journalism) What do local optimists hope for? The fact that managers everywhere replacing professionals will suddenly become pros? Well, wait .... when did they promise a breakthrough (Mars or what do they remember from astronomy lessons)? and a breakthrough is promised when these nonsense is not in power, it won’t be in life, it’s convenient, you can cut and mumble about the distant future, simultaneously complaining about unknown forces that terribly interfere with your criticism. And space is also expensive, and such economies rule worthless, so who the hell is anyone waiting for a brighter future?
    39. -1
      4 December 2019 16: 11
      They have their own criteria for assessing the state of the space industry in the Russian Federation.
      Although, judging by the even officially published amounts that are stolen from us at the construction of Roscosmos facilities, maybe they are not so far from the truth.
      After all, it’s somehow straight down Krylov’s, they’re revealing, counting, criminal cases are being instituted, and Vaska is listening and eating.
      As we flew from Baikonur, so we fly, and things in the East are still there
      Who knows?
      Maybe they know more than we do through our media ...
    40. +7
      4 December 2019 16: 34
      THERE IS SO UNFISCEPTIBLY FAVORITE RESOURCE TURNED INTO A LIBERAL HAZARD. Well, as they say - to each his own.
    41. +2
      4 December 2019 16: 56
      "The too long dependence of Americans and other cosmonauts on Russia is coming to an end," the newspaper notes. At the same time, according to The Hill, the cost of sending one astronaut on the Soyuz spacecraft cost the United States $ 85 million. The authors of the article believe that the termination of these payments will allegedly be a heavy blow to Russia. lol And if the toilet on the ISS breaks down, who will repair it? laughing
      1. +3
        4 December 2019 18: 14
        It must be admitted that Russia has one of the most advanced bases for training astronauts and even in the most distant future, who will bypass them.
    42. 0
      4 December 2019 18: 41
      Gazprom, represented by Zenit, bought a couple of "African American" for 80 mln euros. Nobody was hurt by this, not even African Americans)))
    43. +1
      4 December 2019 18: 45

      Western and pro-Western "well-wishers" convince the most maydan Russians - go out "wait for me", throw Putin off and everything will work out for you! You will heal like in France (no longer like it?) Like in the States (no longer want?), Then like in the United Arab Emirates (or another country with huge hydrocarbon reserves per capita). In fact, it will "get better" either as in "marginalized" Ukraine, or as in a "democratized" Libya. Or as in "peaceful" Nigeria (there, oil reserves per inhabitant are approximately equal to Russian).
      Among other things, the West takes full advantage of the weakness of the Russians - their traditional attitude towards any government. To often stand up for her defense for a Russian (Russian) is almost a "crime and betrayal of the people." Therefore, I perfectly understand those Russians who do not oppose the Maydanuts. After all, what do they think: "Well, some thieves will throw others off the Maidan - why interfere?" All Russian pseudo-patriots and liberals from time immemorial cover up the desire to destroy Russia with beautiful words. Like, we just adore Russia so badly in our livers, but we hate power, since Russia is Russia, and power, be it a tsar, an emperor, a general secretary or a president (necessary emphasize) must be overthrown or destroyed for the sake of mythical goals. Whether it be the 1825 Decembrist uprising (in fact, the first attempt at the liberal Maidan, in modern words). Thanks to Nikolai1, who crushed it in the bud, then all sorts of commoners, etc. Remind the legendary words of Herzen about the one who was awakened by the Decembrists, and raznochintsy, and Petrashevists, and then came the era of terrorist bombers, who simply staged terror at the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century. Zasulich, Perova and so on, so on, and so forth. phrase: "We will go the other way," and after all, I did. I must say, his stubbornness commands respect. And Perestroika, when the liberals, led by all kinds of dissident obscenities, went to destroy the country with with the same words: “We love the country, but we hate the state.” And every time the liberals succeeded, be it the February bourgeois revolution or Yeltsin's coup d'etat in 91, all this plunged the country into global chaos, but with beautiful words. And now, the pseudo-patriots of Russia, under the beautiful words about Love for Russia and the overthrow of cursed Putin, consciously or not, are playing into the hands of the West and, above all, the United States, for there is a riot in Russia, and the February Revolution, and the events of 91, whatever you call them beautifully, were just Riot supported by the West.I'm an imperial outlook, and if on the external circuit there are almost no claims to Putin (well, he is in foreign policy), then on domestic policy I have many claims to him, especially why he did not remove Medvedev from the Prime Minister , and did not put Glazyev or Khazin on the premiership, as an option.BUT with all the jambs of Putin, I see that he de facto restored the status of the Empire to Russia. opinion) Putin. Under Putin, I again felt pride for my country, as I felt under the USSR. Apparently, some public, either did not live under Yeltsin at all, or they have a memory like gupia fish. You forgot how Russian President Yeltsin I was conducting an orchestra in the trash for the fun of the world, or how, during an international visit, drunk in the trash got off the plane and just pissed on the plane's landing gear and all this was in full view of the whole world. But then I wanted to cry out of shame, but Putin IM proud of.
      1. 0
        4 December 2019 20: 56
        Quote: ilia3075
        ilia3075 (Ilya) Today, 18:45 New

        ====
        all / much that they wrote, so, however, and a mess in abundance.
        1. +2
          4 December 2019 21: 56
          And I don’t argue, I have many complaints against Putin regarding domestic politics, but the fact that he returned the Imperial status of Russia is already recognized in the West.
    44. 0
      4 December 2019 18: 57
      Quote: Vadim237
      We have this only with the cosmic sphere, culture and medicine - in all the rest, development is going on less or less.

      Is everything fine with electronics?
      I’m thinking about what these sectors have in common - cosmonautics, medicine and electronics. That is, that from a macroeconomic point of view they are united at the present stage. Is this something in which perhaps the essence of the problems?
    45. +1
      4 December 2019 19: 08
      So it is, that's right, pointlessly big money is being spent on everyone, including Africa and Venezuela, but not on internal projects.
      20.7 million people living below the poverty line, apparently, is not a problem. Let them live on, they still live somehow.
    46. 0
      4 December 2019 20: 24
      The American author looks at the root. Hands will be untied ... sanctions and other restrictions can affect the programs of Roscosmos, when America will finish its wonderful, "cool, new, smart" and beautiful ships, the policy of restricting Russia in space will come into force.
    47. -1
      4 December 2019 21: 22
      Quote: orionvitt
      Quote: spectr
      Our ancestors gloriously worked, making a reserve for several generations (and maybe centuries) ahead

      And in the states, the ancestors did not bother and did not leave the groundwork? Where is it all? What kind of nonsense are you talking about. Just tell me, the West has lost its technological heritage in its pursuit of easy profits in the banking sector. Apart from iPhones and information technology, there is nothing left. Also in the presence of bucks (but they do not fly into space by themselves) and gays with lesbians, as the main trend of our time in the West (but they, here's an ambush, do not fly into space). Engineers were completely withdrawn, but lawyers and economists remained. Before you rattle on the keyboard, really look who flies and who does not. Have already been bullied, juvenile "thinkers".

      It was in Berkeley and Caltech that the engineers were "withdrawn" (I suppose they were transferred all the same). laughing
      And where is the breeding ground for engineering genes in Russia, maybe in Skolkovo or in Roscosmos?
    48. -4
      4 December 2019 21: 42
      Quote: Svarog
      but really Rogozin is out of place, and everyone else ..

      Yeah. I have long suggested Mutko put in this position
    49. +2
      4 December 2019 23: 25
      Meanwhile, it turns out that the share of Roskosmos income from the sale of US places is only 4-5%. Only. laughing
    50. +2
      5 December 2019 00: 00
      Half the forum must go to America. After all, they are good, everything is bad with us, everything is lost. And 70 years ago it was impossible to throw out. Maybe only in the kitchen in a whisper. They would come for you. No, we just loved our homeland. Nobody shit watered, believed in the future. Where did such commentators come from today?
      1. -2
        5 December 2019 00: 28
        It's simple, people have become ... freer from Soviet prejudices, and more miserable in recent years.
    51. +2
      5 December 2019 01: 55
      The end of the American (empire) is also not far off
    52. +2
      5 December 2019 05: 11
      and they tell us corruption is the most impudent and stolen country)))) well, they made me laugh))))
    53. 0
      5 December 2019 05: 12
      Ambitions are stifling - “a regional power is an aggressor. It’s taking advanced penguins into space”!!!??? - it’s a shame, comrades!.
    54. +2
      5 December 2019 08: 26
      I can imagine their next “Challenger” from I. Musk and they will go buy tickets from us again...
    55. +2
      5 December 2019 10: 05
      “NASA’s commercial space flight program will begin in the summer of 2020, according to a report by the US space agency’s Inspector General. According to The Hill, this event will be the “beginning of the end” for Russia as a space power.”
      If we don’t take exceptional people to the ISS, will we be finished? The amazing conceit of the exceptional...
      PS, haven’t the Americans forgotten that we were the first to create hypersonic missiles, Poseidon, and a number of other gadgets that are interesting for the United States without their money?
    56. +3
      5 December 2019 10: 10
      Well, yes, the Yankees can’t even fix their space toilet on the ISS, but they are still predicting something else.
      And Clown Musk still amuses people with his pipe dreams.

      When they put manned space flights on stream, more than Russia's, then the prospects can be discussed, but not before.
      1. -4
        5 December 2019 11: 08
        “Clown” Musk is doing great - everything he promised has essentially been implemented and reusable first stages and a super-heavy rocket and closed-cycle methane rocket engines, reusable cargo ships, returnable nose fairings and a manned spacecraft that flew in test mode on the ISS, there were accidents and will be again when creating new technology, but this will not stop him and his team on the path to interplanetary flights. Unfortunately, we do not have such “clowns” and most likely will not appear, even in the distant future.
    57. 0
      5 December 2019 11: 35
      The key problem in the development of astronautics is the development of engines for rockets or other aircraft. But the engines themselves also have key aspects of the problem. Apparently and obviously, engineers cannot decide on this part of the fundamental problem. I believe that if it were different, then there would be people who would solve it
    58. 0
      5 December 2019 11: 40
      American mantras, we once loved this too, everyone was waiting for the victory of communism.
    59. -1
      5 December 2019 12: 26
      Russian economy, overly dependent on oil and gas and suffering from corruption and inefficiency

      But this is damn rightly noted and specifically hinders the development of our space program. sad
    60. 0
      5 December 2019 13: 37
      They really want this, but I don’t think that these dreams will come true.
      1. -2
        5 December 2019 19: 37
        Unfortunately, they will come true, they flew on Apollo and Shuttles - now what has changed that they will not be able to fly? They now have five different manned spacecraft in hardware - Dragon 2 has already flown to the ISS in unmanned mode.
        1. +1
          5 December 2019 19: 39
          Quote: Vadim237
          They currently have five different manned spacecraft in production...

          ... of which no one has a sane rescue system. Remind you about the shuttles that beautifully exploded at the start and, just for variety, during landing too?
    61. 0
      5 December 2019 15: 49
      Quote: Vladimir16
      Quote: Roman070280
      If the Russian space program is still afloat at the expense of American money for engines ...


      Another shit on the fan.
      Buy yourself a calculator.

      At least take an interest in Russian programs first. Find out what amounts to master...
      That's it, the key word is “developing”, then they are offshore! And programs, like words on a fence, can be written any way, as long as someone believes in them... . lol wassat tongue sad
    62. -1
      6 December 2019 10: 40
      Mars-96, Phobos - soil.
      These are the only large-scale space exploration projects. How did they end? What conclusions were drawn? who was imprisoned?
      “We won’t punish you now, we hope that you will correct the mistake. But keep in mind, we have a lot of space in our tour!” With. L. Beria.
      Also no? Then the Americans are right.
      In 2018, China launched 38 missiles (USA - 17).

      The future belongs to China. Not even for the USA. As for the Russian Federation, it’s sad, but at the level of some India (
    63. +1
      6 December 2019 22: 50
      Tons of holivar fasts around the cult of St. Mask are generally meaningless because... they do not study the essence of the phenomenon. Namely, who (or rather what) is Musk?

      I’ll give you the answer right away, and then we’ll move on to the evidence.

      Musk is the latest and unsuccessful attempt to expand the market into space using capitalist methods.

      Now to the evidence.

      After the rapid development of astronautics in the 1960s, caused by political reasons, the industry stagnated. The reason for this is banal - outside the confines of the atmosphere and gravity, man as a biological species cannot exist. But an alternative Earth either does not exist at all, or it is not possible to get to it.

      This leads to the fact that the extraction and delivery to Earth of any useful or useless minerals from anywhere outside the “firmament” is economically meaningless. It is still cheaper to mine uranium in Australia, even now, when the mines are almost exhausted, than to transport uranium from the asteroid belt.

      The second reason for market stagnation is the systematic reduction in launches. Here, oddly enough, NTP played a role. The companions of the infection began to live many times longer than in the 1960s. Launch it once and use it for ten years. The Voyagers have finally completed their fourth decade and are still showing signs of life. What can we say about devices manufactured in 4? This means that there are many fewer launches needed.

      This is where Elon Rizovich Musk comes in. We will not discuss where a comrade with a Markeng education got all these engines, control systems and other access to spaceports. This is not important. Basically this is what:

      - We now have the best reusable engines with throttling up to 35%
      - We have engine cluster control technology (this is truly an achievement)
      - We have a control system that ensures that pasta the size of a house passes back through the atmosphere.

      Technologically everything is really very cool. And it’s expensive because everything new in NTP is expensive. Now let's look at the result t.c. "in life." So it's negative. How so? And this is the postulate:

      The market has contracted not because startup costs are expensive. This launch cost is expensive because the market has shrunk

      You can transport satellites and people into orbit for free. There won't be any more launches from this. There is no answer to the question of the economic feasibility of the launch, because the cost of manufacturing the apparatus and equipment for long-term work in the hell of outer space does not depend on the cost of the launch. Moreover, if one satellite is enough to solve problems, why build two.

      Mascophiles say - well, the price of launching a satellite was 100. But it became 50. Green straps. You can now build more satellites. Can. What for? Isn’t it easier for the sponsor to simply put the savings from the launch into his pocket for further transfer to the manufacturer of luxury yachts?

      Basically a zero-sum game. You can squeeze out your competitors from ULA (especially since they have long been an eyesore for NASA and the warriors with their immeasurable greed). You can even try to throw out Roscosmos (not mentioned for the mass). BUT! There is no way to expand the launch market. To radically change something, you need to find a second Earth in orbit next to the current one.

      This is called the growth limit

      By the way, this is the reason why none of the traditional players began to invest in reusable launch systems. As the story with the Shuttle showed, reusability only harms. Why? Here's why:

      - Let's say you have a market for cars for 1 ml drivers.
      - They all have cars. Some even have three.
      - You take forever to make a car (conventionally, it drives normally for 50 years - repairs are only for small things or after an accident).
      - Conventionally, 10% of the market is renewed per year due to breakdowns and accidents.
      - This means your growth limit is 100K cars per year. For all manufacturers.
      - Dead end.

      Of course, you can optimize production and reduce costs. Well, you'll milk 10-15 percent. Still a dead end.

      There are two ways out:

      1) Alabama women will give you another 3 million drivers. To do this, you first need to share your income for many decades with these women - the proletariat - i.e. build a socially oriented society.
      2) Make the car DISPOSABLE. Those. so that after 36K/miles (conditionally three years) it begins to crumble into trash.

      Which of the above options do you think the capitalist predator will choose? :)

      Projecting this onto SpaceX, we get the fact that by creating a 50-80-100% reusable system, the company itself undermines the meaning of its existence. Create an eternal shaitan-arba for flights into orbit, close the production plant and work as a cab driver for pennies in a market where the number of launches is strictly limited to a couple of dozen per year. Would you give such an “entrepreneur” money?

      What should our hero do?

      1. Continue to work for the US Air Force. In fact, this is what he did from the very beginning. By the way, this is the main reason why SpaceX does not go to the stock exchange - there are too many ears sticking out of the main money ledger.

      2. To attract new loans, engage in PR gigantomania a la:
      - Rockets instead of airplanes (Starship sub-orbit) - there are rumors that this is also for warriors - like Starship Troopers.
      - Fleet of 2000 Starships to conquer democracy on Mars (sic!)
      - 42000 satellites in orbit to bring light, warmth and internet to all the Bedouins of South Sudan - after all, they sleep and see how to pay $49.99/mo for a plate from St. Elon. Just like their brothers from the Mariana Islands. Edit: as it turned out later, Starlink is also a USAF project - to control swarms of democratic drones in Afghanistan.
      - Well, all sorts of pyrotechnic shows a la blowing up a water tower with wings. Or little things from the series of flights on a pepelats without rescue systems, but with ditching systems.

      What should we do with space?

      Most likely - nothing. More precisely, spacewalk is on the ground. These are nuclear tugs, zero transportation and other exotic things. And reusable Dragons are no help in this... Although I don’t argue - the landing looks beautiful :)

      PS

      For those who like more lies - statistics - I recommend reconsidering the period of reuse of Dragon-1 capsules (which are used in the CRS program). For the lazy, a hint is 2.5 - 3 years. At the same time, what remains from the original spacecraft is the capsule itself and the maneuvering engines. Everything else is new.

      How this is fundamentally different from the technology of assembling Progress / Union can only be justified by a sworn mascophile. Well, yes - the interior design is beautiful - all the touch buttons are like in Apple;)
      1. 0
        8 December 2019 17: 54
        They said it beautifully.
        To you from me +.

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