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In Turkey, reported on the study of the characteristics of the Russian Su-35

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Information that Ankara is exploring the possibility of acquiring the latest Su-35 4 ++ generation fighters from Russia was found confirmation. Recall that such an opportunity was announced against the background of the well-known visit of Recep Erdogan to the Russian Federation, when he was shown the latest Russian combat aircraft, including the Su-35 and Su-57.


Currently, Turkey is studying the characteristics of the Russian Su-35 fighter. This statement was made by the head of the defense industry under the presidential administration of Turkey, Ismail Demir.

Demir:

Turkey is carefully studying the Russian proposal for the possible conclusion of a contract for the acquisition of Su-35 fighters.

At the same time, Demir said that de jure continued participation of Turkey in the F-35 program.

From a statement by a Turkish official:

It is too early to make any estimates. Turkey purchases weapons that meet our security requirements. This is an unconditional rule.


The day before, French President Emmanuel Macron, at a meeting with Donald Trump during the NATO summit, said that Turkey was behaving "inappropriately." According to Macron, Erdogan speaks of NATO’s collective security commitment "and at the same time purchases Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems." Ankara recalled that the purchase of such complexes is not a violation of the charter clause on collective security of the North Atlantic Alliance.
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    1. Civil
      Civil 4 December 2019 09: 00
      +4
      If the Turks take it, it will seriously shake NAT
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 4 December 2019 09: 16
        +3
        They even take it from the principle that the United States and other NATO partners would be more silky in relation to Turkey. lol
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 4 December 2019 09: 55
        +4
        If the Turks take it, it will seriously shake NAT


        Shatnet tree in the field ....

        1. Change American to Russian aircraft or vice versa - it is insanely expensive. Infrastructure, weapons, support, training - oh how expensive .....

        2. 200 F16 is not easy to throw in a landfill - but the Americans can stop the support and, will the Turks buy 200 SU35?

        3. The economy of Turkey is now weak - Erdogan just puffed up but if the Americans. decide to fill up then the Turks will remain very unhappy. And the most important trading partner of the Turks is the EU. And there they have seams.

        I would not want to be in the place of Erdogan. He created a difficult life for himself. Like the Turks, however.
        1. knn54
          knn54 4 December 2019 10: 19
          +1
          And why not buy ... for Russian money.
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 4 December 2019 10: 26
            -3
            why not buy ... for Russian money.


            And you can - Constantinople will be sent to you under a guarantee and a good deal will turn out ... laughing
        2. keeper03
          keeper03 4 December 2019 12: 40
          0
          Someday the Turks will tear their point! yes soldier
        3. KCA
          KCA 7 December 2019 11: 07
          0
          Turks themselves assemble F-16 under US license, technical support themselves
    2. Solieri
      Solieri 4 December 2019 09: 13
      -2
      It is more profitable for Turkey to buy the Su-57 - it is less noticeable ..., the Belka radar with AFAR has a large detection range on a target with a smaller ESR, especially a 5th generation aircraft. It all depends on what kind of aircraft Turkey needs and for what tasks.
      1. cost
        cost 4 December 2019 09: 24
        +6
        Apparently this is very important news))), because yesterday there was a similar article yesterday.
        https://topwar.ru/165369-turcija-prodolzhaet-izuchat-rossijskoe-predlozhenie-po-su-35.html
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 4 December 2019 09: 29
          +3
          Maybe you're right. My comment was even deleted on this occasion ..
      2. parma
        parma 4 December 2019 09: 24
        +1
        Quote: Salieri
        It is more profitable for Turkey to buy the Su-57 - it is less noticeable ..., the Belka radar with AFAR has a large detection range on a target with a smaller ESR, especially a 5th generation aircraft. It all depends on what kind of aircraft Turkey needs and for what tasks.

        Is there a Su-57 in serial production with this same radar and dvigl 2 stages, not to mention the Su-57E? Turkey either teases the states or buys for NATO to look ... I do not believe that this sale will bring us at least something good, the Turks have never been friends with us and will not ....
        1. Solieri
          Solieri 4 December 2019 09: 40
          -4
          Quote: parma
          Is there a Su-57 in serial production with this same radar and dvigl 2 stages, not to mention the Su-57E?

          There are no problems with the Belka radar for the Su-57, the engine of the 2nd stage
          on the way.
          1. pru-pavel
            pru-pavel 4 December 2019 10: 23
            0
            Keep monitoring and keep us informed.
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 4 December 2019 12: 44
          +1
          Read the Internet, the first serial will be commissioned this year. He was shown in the assembly hall, half assembled. Probably if there was no radar for him, then they did not begin to collect it? And with the engines of the first stage, it surpasses the su-35. Since the plane is lighter and smaller, thrust is greater.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 4 December 2019 21: 28
            0
            The sensible leader of any state should have paid attention, due to which and how Russia was able to achieve a turning point in the hostilities in the BV. Hence the increased attention to the air defense systems of the Russian Federation and its combat aircraft.
            As soon as the air defense systems of the Russian Armed Forces appeared, all the "players" had to reckon with this. Bibi, for example, became a frequent visitor to the Russian Federation. The generals of the US and NATO were forced to coordinate their actions with Moscow. And only one mixed air wing provided such support to Syria and Iran that the barmaley did not seem to have enough. Let me remind you that the United States has at least 5 air bases in the region. And what was included in this wing, what was the most significant in its composition? Helicopters and the Su family, where the most modern were the Su-35. That is why such attention is paid to the S-400 and Su-35, not to mention the "little things", turntables and Carapaces.
            It’s interesting (in my opinion) what NATO generals say about the Russian Federation’s electronic warfare systems and the latest developments in the field of missile weapons. And that the combat aircraft of NATO countries tried not to include their airborne radars. hi
            And why not the Turks to study the performance characteristics of Russian weapons?
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 5 December 2019 00: 10
              0
              What kind of military operations are we talking about? About the operation against partisans without air defense and aviation? ... These are the two first and main echelons of modern military operations! Everyone is introducing this experience of the fight against partisans into the preparation of military units and takes them into account when developing military equipment. The result will be negative, as well as the dubious euphoria of success ... Syria has shown the complete inability of our troops to wage a modern war ... First of all, in the scouting technique and the organization of the information space in real time ... And this is with minimal opposition from the enemy ... And there’s no need to talk about the destruction of the enemy in real time ... There are completely no modern structures for warfare ... Everything is the old fashioned way, only corrections with walkie-talkies in the teeth and crosses on the graves ... And stupid generals are fighting the old fashioned way. ..
              1. Chukcha
                Chukcha 5 December 2019 15: 42
                0
                It is good that the Ishilovites did not know about such Luls of the Russian army, otherwise 3/4 of their armies would not have gone anywhere.
                They fought according to the situation, and yes - against the "partisans" who occupied almost the entire territory of Syria.
              2. Starlei.ura
                Starlei.ura 5 December 2019 17: 42
                0
                Why talk nonsense? The whole so-called grouping of Western countries, with the creation of 5 air force bases, is not against the barmaley, this is for "Assad must leave", now I am waiting for an answer - Assad is gone? Our group was created to "protect the legitimate government of Syria" is the government left? Well, whose grouping is more effective? (Especially when comparing the ratio of forces). Why are you including the fool?
                1. VO3A
                  VO3A 5 December 2019 18: 07
                  0
                  Aircraft against partisans without air defense are very effective, is anyone arguing ?! Now, if they still bombed always in the machine, or used information from UAVs in real time, or used shock UAVs, but this does not threaten us .. How many planes and helicopters were lost? More than a dozen!
                  Here you are not commentators from the news and grandmother at the entrance .... But you need to turn off the fool at least sometimes, otherwise it turns into a life style ....
              3. Kasym
                Kasym 6 December 2019 20: 38
                +1
                Andrew, hi ... "Syria has shown the complete inability of our troops to wage a modern war" - what are we talking about? In fact, Damascus reclaimed most of its territories, or not? The massive drone attack did not lead to anything - or not (about the attack in Saudi Arabia)? Electronic warfare systems disrupted the enemy's communications, NATO generals spoke about this openly - or not ?! Look at the comments of General Kuyat from Germany - "If Russia wants, then sparrows walked in Syria on foot", "Nobody flies without the permission of the Russians, neither the Germans, nor the Americans. The Russians dominate the airspace so strongly. This is pure populism" - about the closure of airspace in Syria. Will the Americans and NATO fight without air superiority and communications - what are you talking about, Andryusha ?!
                What kind of "modern structures for conducting combat operations" - a demonstration of cruise missiles of the RF Armed Forces launched from the Caspian Sea or Kh-55, Kh-101; Or do you think the actions of the RF Aerospace Forces are not modern ?!
                Against the partisans of Vietnam and Cuba, US generals rescued and is this a fact - or is it not so ?!
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 4 December 2019 09: 28
        +1
        And here it is profitable or not profitable .... they will buy what they sell at that price ...
      4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 December 2019 10: 04
        -1
        Let me ask, did you write that name on purpose? Because the composer was called Salieri, Antonio.
      5. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 4 December 2019 12: 35
        0
        They would buy, but they will not sell to them. Shove the su-35.
      6. yustas
        yustas 4 December 2019 15: 26
        +1
        You are more careful, colleague, and now "violinists" with sideways will come running and Van on 23 fingers will explain that the su 57 is not a 5th generation aircraft and in general it does not apply to aircraft with a reduced EPR because we do not know how to do this and generally the adir drives) This banter does not apply to adequate people from the promised land
  2. cniza
    cniza 4 December 2019 08: 43
    -1
    Turkey is carefully studying the Russian proposal for the possible conclusion of a contract for the acquisition of Su-35 fighters.

    At the same time, Demir said that de jure continued participation of Turkey in the F-35 program.


    NATO - US write boiling water, but can not do anything ...
    1. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 4 December 2019 08: 52
      +1
      I remember Macron, outraged by the fact that the United States is imposing F-35 on everyone.
      1. cniza
        cniza 4 December 2019 08: 59
        +3
        It seems that it’s not Macron, but his defense minister, but yes ... that’s why Trump insists on doubling the contributions to the NATO budget - everything will be purchased in the USA.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 4 December 2019 08: 58
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      NATO - US write boiling water, but can not do anything ...

      hi
      Well, if the brain died in NATO (Macron), then different pathologies are possible
      1. cniza
        cniza 4 December 2019 09: 00
        +4
        U, there the squabble is not childish, Trump begins the reinforced milking of all members ... hi
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 December 2019 09: 15
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          U, there the squabble is not childish, Trump begins the reinforced milking of all members ...

          Hi soldier
          BABOSIKI got it! These are not some ephemeral promises and hopes! His skin is always closer to ... moshne!
          1. cniza
            cniza 4 December 2019 09: 17
            +1
            Good time ! hi , and how much interesting awaits us ahead ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 4 December 2019 09: 28
              0
              Quote: cniza
              Good time ! hi , and how much interesting awaits us ahead ...

              Wow! Mr. Trump does not let anyone get bored!
              1. cniza
                cniza 4 December 2019 09: 46
                +2
                It will be boring if it is rented with a second term.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 4 December 2019 11: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: cniza
                  It will be boring if it is rented with a second term.

                  In principle, there are always comedians.
                  True, alternative candidates who, in plain sight, like they don’t tune in a funny way, are not yet in the evening, let's see how it turns out!
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 4 December 2019 11: 23
                    +3
                    As it turned out, Trump is a very smart person, but they do not give him a full turn.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 4 December 2019 11: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: cniza
                      Trump is a very smart person

                      Not ... he’s only for America, so it’s not very easy for us.
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 4 December 2019 12: 17
                        +2
                        Of course, for America, but it’s better to have a smart enemy ...
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 4 December 2019 12: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: cniza
                        Of course, for America, but it’s better to have a smart enemy ...

                        That double opinion!
                        The opinion of those who are not smart clever, because smart!
                        The opinion of those whom the clever "crushed", because he turned out to be smarter!
                        So it’s preferable to be smarter, stronger than your opponent, at least.
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 4 December 2019 12: 36
                        +2
                        There is such a rule and there is no other way; we must try to be smarter.
                2. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 5 December 2019 18: 20
                  +1
                  Trump will win, otherwise a civil war ... The Rednecks will not forgive ... They have weapons.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 5 December 2019 21: 13
                    +2
                    Let's hope that it will be so ...
                    1. Tank jacket
                      Tank jacket 5 December 2019 21: 19
                      0
                      Reinforced concrete will be so, the main thing for us is not to blink Galkin and Titmouse ..
    3. VO3A
      VO3A 5 December 2019 00: 20
      0
      Or maybe Turkey is playing with us in the dark. And it simply collects information about our advanced weapons systems, and the most reliable, also with material weapons models ...
  3. georggy
    georggy 4 December 2019 08: 48
    0
    They want to say, such as wiser.
  4. Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 4 December 2019 08: 49
    +2
    Duc Trump yesterday said that the Turks would buy planes in the Russian Federation and or from China laughing
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  6. Avior
    Avior 4 December 2019 09: 19
    +2
    I don’t understand why NATO needs spies.
    The necessary materials for the study, and so bring up, if necessary, with valid samples, just pay for the samples
    It seems to me alone that all this is somehow abnormal?
    The fact that Turkey is not always at odds with some other NATO members on some issues, doesn’t make it a non-NATO member, the Turks clearly cherish relations with NATO, I don’t hear that the Turks are tearing something into NATO, because they have decisions there by consensus accept, and the Turks block everything - just spit
    But no, nobody blocks anything
    And the fact that the Turks from a friend of Russia, "fucking up" in two accounts can become an enemy - not the first time after all ...
    1. VO3A
      VO3A 5 December 2019 00: 20
      0
      Not only you ...
  7. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 4 December 2019 09: 38
    +3
    Our benevolence towards Turkey is surprising.
    Oh, good that they buy from us! Not America. Or France.
    Let's also sell them "Armata". And "Dagger".
    And if the day after tomorrow another Pasha comes instead of Erdogan. Pro-american.
    Are we going to scare him with a gas shutdown?
    1. Altai72
      Altai72 4 December 2019 09: 59
      +1
      Well, do not give the same to Armenia, in which the monument to Griboyedov is desecrated. And not only to Armenia .. Do you offer to "sell" advanced technologies at half price to freeloaders and grant eaters? Do you think the Turks will not be able to buy normal planes? Or maybe we will sell Su-shki to Turkey for a normal price, and not only ?! After all, from this, the treasury is profitable, and the factories are working, and people are getting wages, and the development of the next generations of weapons is underway, and we maintain a balance in geopolitics, and we sow discord in the enemy camp ...
  8. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 4 December 2019 09: 46
    -2
    The combination of S-400 and SU-35 is more predictable and efficient, and most importantly more reliable ...
  9. Sitearvi
    Sitearvi 4 December 2019 10: 43
    0
    (The day before, French President Emmanuel Macron, at a meeting with Donald Trump during the NATO summit, said that Turkey was behaving "in an inappropriate manner." Macron is a fine fellow, on the eve he poured NATO himself, but as the owner arrived, to transfer arrows to the Turks. If the Turks take our Sushki, they will once again prove to everyone that they are independent and that the Yankees are not a decree to them. If NATO continues this way, then Turkey will become even closer to us.
  10. Polymer
    Polymer 4 December 2019 22: 23
    0
    Right now it seems that Erdogan was so offended by the attempted coup that he now deliberately does everything against the United States and NATO as a revenge. By his actions, he really can destroy the alliance. And just for this purpose, he will not rush to leave the organization - from the inside is much more effective. To ruin the United States, of course, he does not have enough strength, but there are enough who want to help him in this matter.
    It seems that Lenin called such "useful fools"?