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"Archipelago CoAP". The new code will be repressive, but justified

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Goodbye temporary! Hello, permanent?



The current Code of the Russian Federation on Administrative Offenses (CAO) was adopted back in the year 2001. Moreover, he replaced the Code of Administrative Offenses of the RSFSR that was in force at that time, which was pretty obsolete at that time. Indeed, one can relate to the Soviet period stories, but in any case, the change in the socio-political formation became too strong a test for all the legal documents and codes that were in force at that time.

Therefore, the current Code of Administrative Offenses was adopted, to put it mildly, under time pressure, in a difficult political situation, and in many ways, like most laws of that period, was the result of compromises and simply flaws. That we all, I must admit, fully felt on ourselves.

It is clear that this could not last forever. Therefore, the appearance of the new draft Code of Administrative Offenses was not just expected, but even long-awaited. Its introduction into the State Duma is expected in the spring of next year, in March. And if everything goes fine, then already in 2021 the new code should come into effect. Which in itself, of course, is good.

But here, as they say, the devil is in the details, and so far it seems that even on paper, not everything is as smooth as we all would like. The changes are supposed to be too voluminous to be able to whip up all of them, but now the project has received many comments, including some very significant ones.

One of the criticized innovations was the alleged simplification of the mechanism for collecting fines from citizens, legal entities, and government officials. If this norm is adopted, then fines of up to 10 thousand rubles will be levied without initiating enforcement proceedings, in the form of electronic document management, automatically at the expense of funds available in the accounts of citizens.

This measure, according to the developers, should increase the collection of fines in the country. The bailiffs cannot cope with the existing burden, about 18 of millions of recovery orders are unenforced in Russia. And at first glance, this measure looks quite reasonable: at least we will solve at least one problem.

However, even leaving aside the question of the need for the Federal Bailiff Service to exist in its current form (in my humble opinion, now it’s just a bureaucratic growth that needs to be removed completely), we will still see the reverse side of the problem - automatic debit of funds for very many Russians can be a very unpleasant surprise. And if you remember that even in the “manual mode” mistakes are often made in this area, and many Russians even through the courts have proved that they should not pay taxes and penalties for their full namesakes, sometimes living thousands of kilometers from them, you will involuntarily think : are we ready for this?

Yes, the problem may seem minor. But for many families, such a “gift” would be akin to an order to put their teeth on a shelf. And the funny thing is that they will automatically deduct money from you, and you will have to prove that they have been deducted illegally, and you will have to seek a return through the court. Which at least takes time. And sometimes additional expenses: to prove that you are not a “camel” is not so cheap in our bureaucratic environment.

Measure seven times, then increase seven times!


And this is only the simplest and most obvious example of the incorrectness of this norm. More precisely, its debatability. It would be all perfect for us to identify the perpetrators, there would be no judicial errors, the mechanism for the return of illegally withdrawn funds would be quite simple - perhaps such an innovation would be justified.

There are other ideas, the implementation of which in its pure form will cause, to put it mildly, rejection in society. In particular, this proposal to increase the fines for driving without insurance in seven times.

Again, for those who honestly pay for the policy, this seems reasonable and fair: partly, because of those who like to save on insurance, insurance becomes more expensive, and the amount of compensation for damage becomes more and more ridiculous in relative terms. But what to do with the fact that now not even thousands, but millions of fake OSAGO policies are sold in Russia? And often, even an honest buyer of the policy receives either a fake, or outwardly a real policy, made on real forms with a pair of some bad guys?

And this we do not touch on the issue of lack of policies, the fact that sometimes they need to either stand in lines or travel to different companies. What, we did not have such precedents? Or are there guarantees that they will not be in the future? And then what should the car owner do, who would like to honestly insure his liability, but is simply not physically able to do this?

It is clear that in any case, to refuse insurance is not an option. But to fine for the fact that a person was physically physically unable to perform the mandatory procedure, and to fine quite severely - this is, excuse me, absurdity and nonsense.

Also note to motorists: the new Code of Administrative Offenses will probably contain an article suggesting fines for driving on summer tires in winter. That seems to be reasonably reasonable: after all, no one wants the car to go skidding on the “bald” summer tires flying onto the sidewalk and hooking on one of our loved ones. But there are some fears that this measure may pull an unpleasant chain: certification of tires, maintenance for tires, the introduction of a "roughness coefficient" or some other insanity. Not free insanity, mind you ...

True, compulsory tire certification has already been introduced in Russia since December 1. This measure will affect manufacturers of rubber directly and should not create problems for motorists, and the price, taking into account the mass production, should not particularly affect. Nevertheless, it’s a little scary: the cars are also initially certified, but MOTs are like nice ones ...

Or maybe it’s not bad that “repressive”?


In general, the new Code of Administrative Offenses was already rushed to be called more repressive than the former. Most likely, this is so: not being a professional lawyer, I will not risk getting involved in a substantive dispute on such a matter. But I note that this may not be so bad: administrative offenses must be punished, including with the ruble - this is reasonable in itself. Moreover, the Code of Administrative Offenses is designed to regulate liability for minor offenses. This is an initially repressive document, if you call a spade a spade.

It should be noted that there are very reasonable things in the new code aimed precisely at reducing the repressiveness of the articles and norms contained therein. In particular, this applies to the appointment of fines: now the courts are directly ordered to take into account the property status of the offender when assigning the amount of the fine.

When imposing an administrative penalty in the form of an administrative fine, its amount must be determined taking into account the nature of the unlawful action (inaction) and the harm caused to it, the property and financial situation of an individual held administratively liable, and his family, the presence of an individual held administratively liable , salary or other income, property and financial situation of a legal entity, individual entrepreneur, attracted to the admin tive responsibility.


And this, whatever you say, is still a step towards the common man. The supposed proportionality of punishment is not only the gravity of the offense, but also the person’s ability to pay a fine is, of course, humane and reasonable. More to such ...

It’s probably too early to draw any conclusions: the working group may still make various changes to the project, and during the discussion in the State Duma it will probably make many amendments of varying degrees of usefulness and sanity. But for now, it is safe to say that this initiative is necessary.

And so that it is not perverted, we probably should turn to this topic more often. Let the voice of the people with us is not very expensive. But if he is silent, his voice will not cost anything at all ...
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 4 December 2019 15: 08
    +33
    up to 10 thousand rubles will be collected without initiating enforcement proceedings, in the form of electronic document management, automatically at the expense of funds available in the accounts of citizens.

    EVERYTHING, you have to refuse a salary card and figs to them, bite it on a mow !!!
    On the one hand, fines are RARE and pay on time! But MAYBE MISTAKE and pull for someone !!! such precedents FULL! Itself got and it was extremely dreary to return the money and then NOT ALL !!!
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 4 December 2019 15: 10
      +12
      And in my childhood I adored "KOAPP" smile
      So that the one who insulted wonderful cartoons doesn’t get off the toilet!
      1. Bigbraza
        4 December 2019 15: 18
        +1
        Quote: Shurik70
        So that the one who insulted wonderful cartoons

        I liked the book. But the cartoon, alas, was not impressed. :(
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 December 2019 18: 06
          +6
          Quote: BigBraza
          I liked the book. But the cartoon, alas, was not impressed. :(

          A cartoon, a book ... I outgrew, but this program on RADIO, after the RADIO, went exactly right called the Committee for the Protection of Copyright of Nature !!! I do remember. It was interesting and useful ...
          Then there was a lot of Useful, Clever and Necessary. Not in the profession, so for the overall harmonious development of the personality!
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 4 December 2019 15: 42
        +5
        Quote: Shurik70
        And in my childhood I adored "KOAPP"

        Only in my memory (broadcast on the radio) it was deciphered as "The Committee for the Protection of Copyright of Nature".
        The abbreviation KOAPP means "Committee for the Protection of Copyright of Nature." A series of radio programs entitled “Reporting on the Incredible Events” was broadcast on the All-Union Radio in 1964-1973, first once a week, then - once every two weeks, on Sundays, after the Pioneer Dawn (in recent years, alternating with The Baby Monitor ").

        Now on business:
        But I note that this may not be so bad: administrative offenses must be punished, including with the ruble - this is reasonable in itself.

        ... now the courts are expressly ordered to take into account the property situation of the offender when assigning the amount of the fine.

        It turns out that the punishment can follow, but with great effort on the part of whom? And how severe will it be so that it does not happen again?
        It is necessary to find time to go write a statement to the district police officer and attach photographs (as evidence) ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 December 2019 18: 14
          +6
          Quote: ROSS 42
          It turns out that the punishment may follow, but

          One can’t refuse \ cards and operating accounts! Bad choice!
          And how to avoid ERRORS !!! They will, et for sure ... in our mess that.
          If the tax mess is not over yet ... I know not by hearsay, I have the "pleasure" to compete with them, br - r - r, the end of the edge is not visible.
          That judicial executors BARDAK organized for decades to come! They also smeared me, by mistake ... and so there is a concrete ambush!
          Bad choice at all, so they will do it for us!
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 4 December 2019 18: 45
          +3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Quote: Shurik70
          And in my childhood I adored "KOAPP"

          Only in my memory (broadcast on the radio) it was deciphered as "The Committee for the Protection of Copyright of Nature".
          The abbreviation KOAPP means "Committee for the Protection of Copyright of Nature." A series of radio programs entitled “Reporting on the Incredible Events” was broadcast on the All-Union Radio in 1964-1973, first once a week, then - once every two weeks, on Sundays, after the Pioneer Dawn (in recent years, alternating with The Baby Monitor ").

          Now on business:
          But I note that this may not be so bad: administrative offenses must be punished, including with the ruble - this is reasonable in itself.

          ... now the courts are expressly ordered to take into account the property situation of the offender when assigning the amount of the fine.

          It turns out that the punishment can follow, but with great effort on the part of whom? And how severe will it be so that it does not happen again?
          It is necessary to find time to go write a statement to the district police officer and attach photographs (as evidence) ...

          The transmission began with the "voice" of the secretary bird. I still remember laughing
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 4 December 2019 15: 24
      +10
      I have long refused bank cards. Repeatedly there were problems. Apparently the transition to non-cash in Russia will drag on for a very long time.
      1. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 4 December 2019 17: 07
        +1
        On the contrary, it goes at a very fast pace:
        "... In the third quarter, 48,7% of transactions for payment for goods and services were paid by non-cash method. Analysts of Sberbank and the company-operator of fiscal data" Platform of the OFD ... In July-September, in 26 regions, the share of non-cash trading turnover exceeded 50%. A year ago, only four regions achieved this indicator. "(Https://rg.ru/2019/10/29/reg-szfo/dolia-beznalichnyh-raschetov-za-tovary-i-uslugi-v-rf-vyrosla- do-487.html)
        Given the development of e-commerce, the provision of public services in digital form, within the next 5 years - perhaps more than 90%.
        There will be crime, freaks, all small things.
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 4 December 2019 18: 07
          +5
          After such codes, the process will slow down. And this is not a trifle at all.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 5 December 2019 04: 20
        +5
        Quote: Sergey39
        I have long refused bank cards. Repeatedly there were problems.

        There were problems, but the last time was three years ago (once at Sberbank ATM, and twice at Bank of Moscow). The only problem with the withdrawal was in ATMs of the old design - I did not have time (or with great difficulty) to take the money. Now they put (Sberbank) new (after repair) conveniently to disgrace. The day before yesterday I went on a study tour to VTB - the principle is the same ... (Key figures of Kostin and especially Siluanov do not inspire confidence).
        Especially convenient card "Mir" ("Sberbank") .... Up to a thousand rubles without dialing a pin code ... I watch the contingent of pensioners in "Maria-Ra" in the morning they pay with them more and more often. There are such veterans (the Battle of Kulikovo lol ), that with my cash I feel ashamed of my "denseness". In addition, the chance that you (the big boys) will not be taken away from your money increases.
        Quote: Ryazanets87
        On the contrary, it is going at a very fast pace ... Crime, freaks, all small things will remain.

        The tendency to switch to cashless payments has many advantages, but at the same time there is one fat minus - you cannot refuse to pay a fine, referring to a lack of money, or hide your expenses. It is non-cash payments that contribute to bringing the criminal origin of money to clean water.
        hi
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 5 December 2019 12: 55
          +2
          Quote: ROSS 42
          You will not be able to refuse to pay the fine, referring to a lack of money, or to hide your expenses.
          The problem is not so much that they will keep the fine in the machine (although for those who have the last money - yes, the problem), but that if they hold it wrong - return expensively, for a long time, not everything, and no one will be punished will carry ...

          Quote: ROSS 42
          Up to a thousand rubles without dialing a PIN code ...
          This is on all cards with NFC (which are attached). They can also be flashed in smart with NFC.
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 5 December 2019 15: 18
            -1
            Simargl (Andrey)
            The problem is not so much that they will keep the fine in the machine (although for those who have the last money - yes, the problem), but that if they hold it wrong - return expensively, for a long time, not everything, and no one will be punished will carry ...
            I would say that the problem is different, I don’t remember exactly who said, like Saltykov-Shchedrin, that "the severity of Russian laws is leveled by the optionality of their execution"!
            Therefore, until absolutely EVERYTHING is equal before the law in our country, this will be a mess in the country. And you can wait until Chubais, Sechin or Miller become the same as everyone else before the carrot conspiracy, or until the cancer hangs on the mountain, i.e. to infinity.
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 4 December 2019 15: 45
      +9
      They will keep money from your payroll account. And refusing a card will not help.
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 4 December 2019 18: 06
        +4
        If you don’t work with a gray or black pay scheme.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 4 December 2019 18: 11
          -2
          With black and gray schemes, as a rule, they pay in cash and do not transfer money to the account.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 5 December 2019 07: 49
            +5
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            With black and gray schemes, as a rule, they pay in cash and do not transfer money to the account.

            Enumerate. Most now pay for work on the card through Sberbank online. The only way to give my wife's card number. hi
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 5 December 2019 12: 57
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The only way to give my wife's card number.
              ... and so that she has a unique name ... on the planet ...
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 4 December 2019 18: 19
        +5
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        They will keep money from your payroll account. And refusing a card will not help.

        But for sure !!! They pulled him off!
        Those. The ambush is complete! That would be the one with the iPhone who, for the digitalization of the advocate, put on one salary and all the mistakes, THEIR OFFICES, SERVANTS, rip off him !!! Moreover, from the most insolent bank, "present" the same route!
        These are fantasies, unrealizable ... inspired!
    4. Lexus
      Lexus 4 December 2019 18: 58
      +7
      and pull off for someone !!!

      Victor hi
      For "someone" in a court gown or shoulder straps, but not the military. How many cases have been, even with fatal accidents.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 December 2019 06: 44
        +4
        Quote: lexus
        Victor
        For "someone" in a court gown or shoulder straps, but not the military. How many cases have been, even with fatal accidents.

        Alexey soldier
        Servicemen, "servants of the sovereign", are also divided into categories .... it was so, so it will be.
        A military man with serious connections differs from a military "without a roof". For one, all the paths, the paths are open, the other pull the strap to the grave board, maybe you can stretch it out.
    5. Reklastik
      Reklastik 4 December 2019 22: 59
      +2
      EVERYTHING, you have to refuse a salary card and figs to them, bite it on a mow !!!
      - try now, refuse)))
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 December 2019 06: 46
        +3
        Quote: Reklastik
        - try now, refuse)))

        There would be a result ... so the salary would be "white", respectively, there is a salary account !!! A vicious circle, we have already been COUNTED!
    6. Civil
      Civil 5 December 2019 08: 40
      +4
      In general, the new Code of Administrative Offenses was already rushed to be called more repressive than the former.

      The country needs money! Is it really so difficult for you to support money in a difficult period?
    7. Dmitriy84
      Dmitriy84 5 December 2019 12: 50
      0
      it’s not for this that they are transferring us to non-cash, so that we can so easily refuse it. But your idea is correct.
  2. 30hgsa
    30hgsa 4 December 2019 15: 34
    +8
    What the fuck is the long-awaited?
    Everyone has already learned to work on the Code of Administrative Offenses. All who need to know what and why in it.
    Now everything will be turned upside down, from lawyers to ordinary citizens, whose activities are regulated by laws will be precipitated.
    Since it will be necessary to learn anew who knows what and how they can punish.
    And the Code of Administrative Offenses is not a criminal code, there are a lot of requirements for firefighters, tax officers, bailiffs, a lot of options for responsibility for certain violations, it’s impossible to learn all this, as a result there will be a lot of attraction from scratch, because people will simply not know the new rules and there will be years settle down and take shape new practice!
    Get rid of the printer! Let work in silence and the very stability!
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 4 December 2019 15: 43
    +16
    Extrajudicial fines will increase the role of police and officials. They write out fines - they are. ...
    I doubt that majors, hooligans, anti-social elements will be trampled into poverty by debit of card accounts.
    The "supervised" SES and the Ministry of Emergency Situations will also suffer. There are such rules that it is easier to invent a perpetual motion machine than to fulfill all their "prescriptions".
    The authors of the budget probably already "plus the figures" of the corresponding articles.

    ps I hope the changes will be limited to this. Otherwise, the poor "victims of the USE / OGE" will be confused in the "provisional" and "revolutionary" codes. recourse
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 4 December 2019 16: 17
      +8
      Quote: samarin1969
      The "supervised" SES and the Ministry of Emergency Situations will also suffer. There are such rules that it is easier to invent a perpetual motion machine than to fulfill all their "prescriptions".

      hi
      We also need to see how the “regulatory guillotine” works on the abolition of legal acts of the USSR and the RSFSR from February 1, 2020. More than 20 thousand acts will be canceled. In particular, two laws - “On state control” (procedural - how to check) and “On mandatory requirements” (material - what to check) ...
      1. your1970
        your1970 8 December 2019 16: 48
        0
        Quote: Terenin
        In particular, two laws - “On state control” (procedural - how to check) and “On mandatory requirements” (material - what to check) ...
        - long time ago do not work ..
        inspection technologies are regulated by the Service Regulations.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 5 December 2019 04: 00
      +4
      Quote: samarin1969
      Extrajudicial fines will increase the role of police and officials.

      The role of police and officials can increase the inevitability of punishment exclusively for all violators, and not for the elect.
      Quote: samarin1969
      They write out fines - they are.

      They can confine themselves to a strict conversation, after which an executive person does not even have a desire to violate something ... It was once, I followed a crowd of students to yellow. The students turned into the Academy, and I went straight to the patrol. Of the documents, there was only veteran. We looked and asked why and why. I referred to visual weakness. They let go in peace. Now at the crossroads - only on the "green", and so that there is no temptation, I stand (stop) five meters before it: and the spray from under the wheels after the rain does not reach, and it is safer.
      hi
  4. Charik
    Charik 4 December 2019 15: 54
    +8
    oh well, that there they will not accept everything in most cases anti-social
    1. your1970
      your1970 8 December 2019 18: 06
      0
      Quote: Charik
      oh well, that there they will not accept everything in most cases anti-social
      - Yesterday, a peasant in 2106 drove into a concrete pillar near a bus stop. The pillar fell near the stop, there were no injuries ...
      It turned out - was driving on summer tires ....
      In my opinion more social is to crash him such a fine - so that he was afraid to approach his car without winter tires 200 meters away than to bury the people killed by him at that stop (if they were a little less fortunate). Three children, 5 adults ...

      In general, in my opinion, the most honest would be to cancel 3/4 of the Code of Administrative Offenses, but at the same time to add them to the Criminal Code as aggravating ...
      I drove on a faulty car / wrong tire / drunk / red / speeding / through double / etc ... and this led to someone else's death - get INTELLIGENT killing for you NOTICE knew that this should not be done.
      1. Charik
        Charik 9 December 2019 15: 37
        0
        moron you have to be -winter summer ride
        1. your1970
          your1970 9 December 2019 16: 54
          0
          Quote: Charik
          moron you have to be -winter summer ride
          -type "there was no money..."
          To begin with, now he has 18 posts + 000 installation and connection ...
      2. telobezumnoe
        telobezumnoe 11 December 2019 14: 30
        0
        if his pedals get confused and where does the rubber? responsibility of course on the driver .. he manages and is obliged to monitor not the technical condition and generally control the vehicle .. in general, and maintenance must be canceled, anyway 90 percent is bought without a visit to the station. it is not a matter of tires or requirements, but of a driver who, even on spikes, could not cope with driving. but the fact that another reason to cut the dough in favor of the state is more likely an occasion .. now conditions are being created that force them to pay more fines, and it is not beneficial for the state to make people violate less, on the contrary, they pay more to violate more ... for example in our country the maximum speed on public roads is 130 km / h, why not introduce those regulations restricting the sale of cars whose speed is above 130 for example? let it be limited .. also at the current stage you can even control the speed by signs so that the car can no longer accelerate, but .. it is not profitable if everyone stops breaking.
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 4 December 2019 16: 02
    +25
    Not really about that, but close.
    Recently, I was incorrectly accrued tax / in favor of the state, of course /. And they took money from the card. So, during my working hours I had to go to the tax office, then to the bailiffs, then again to the tax office and then to my bank.
    No one even apologized, did not compensate for my chores. I am dust for them, and behind them all the power of the State. So great and powerful that the bailiffs had to stand in line, because not even a miserable stool in the hallway for visitors. Rather, petitioners ...
    1. Charik
      Charik 9 December 2019 15: 37
      0
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohBxaEgj1e0
    2. Charik
      Charik 9 December 2019 23: 01
      0
      the person was taken off the card before the court’s decision and the court’s decision was not fined, the practice is practice-now go freeze your
  6. jungler
    jungler 4 December 2019 16: 06
    +20
    super! Moscow slave owners again took care of their pockets .... My arguments: however, the country is large. Fines are ONE throughout the country. BUT .... REVENUES OF CITIZENS AND SALARIES differ DIFFERENTLY. Example: ... did not have time to brake on a pedestrian (a peppy aypadovets jumped out like a devil out of a snuffbox) get a fine .... 2000 rub. But this is a third of the salary in Zadryupinsk and a ONE-TIME lunch in Moscow. Even insurers (as far as cunning commerce) even guessed to introduce gradation by region and weight. and here .. WE ARE AS MILK OF ONE .... CURRENT MILK HAS BEEN ACID FOR A LONG TIME AND BECAME DIFFERENT SYSTEMS .. CLASS! FORWARD TO THE DECAY OF THE COUNTRY .... ANOTHER FINE IN ZADRIPENSK MAY BE FROM THE MOUNTAINS AND HANG HERE .. AND THE OTHER WILL SEARCH THE ShotGEN FOR THE OFFICERS .... WELL NOT ???
    1. Corn
      Corn 4 December 2019 16: 24
      -28
      Do not like the province - move to the capital. Is someone holding you?
      Our country is free, everyone is free to do what he wants (within the framework of the law).
      1. Petrograd
        Petrograd 4 December 2019 23: 11
        +8
        Quote: Corn
        Do not like the province - move to the capital. Is someone holding you?
        Our country is free, everyone is free to do what he wants (within the framework of the law).

        Well, the capitals are occupied by "nice and hard-working" representatives of various ..stations. Yes, and we do not need people in the capitals, it is unprofitable, money is not easy to rip off, "even the semblance of the law" in policai structures still remains.
        Is this a joke about the move, or is it a stupidity, Carlos? Do not think too much (about what is in your skull), driving away from the "capital" for 300 km, would you like it to be "like in the capital" or so in a murla with a brush and goodbye? Where will you come and who will be in the provinces, who will feed you or will you collect loaves from the breadfruit?
    2. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 4 December 2019 17: 12
      -1
      Those. violation of traffic rules in Zadryupinsk is less dangerous than in Moscow, right? 100 rubles and that's enough, or maybe just threaten with a finger? The differentiated application of federal legislation in different regions, this is one of the main steps to the collapse of the country.
      R.S. sorry, the CAO cannot fine for mocking punctuation and using the CapsLock key.
      1. GUSAR
        GUSAR 4 December 2019 21: 47
        +5
        Damned America has an even more differentiated law. Even on the death penalty, for example. America didn't fall apart
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 4 December 2019 22: 27
        +13
        violation of traffic rules in Zadryupinsk is less dangerous than in Moscow, right?

        violation of 100 rubles in Moscow no one will notice, and in Zadryupinsk it is a disaster.
        Therefore, from the common people there is not a single person with an unpaid fine, and in Moscow Shmar Baghdasaryan and comrades have hundreds of thousands of unpaid fines.
        The differentiated application of federal legislation in different regions, this is one of the main steps to the collapse of the country.

        You need to differentiate depending on income, then there will be an effect from fines.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 4 December 2019 22: 59
          +3
          Quote: glory1974
          You need to differentiate depending on income, then there will be an effect from fines

          That's just for this, at first it would be nice to bring out the income of God.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 5 December 2019 07: 54
            +6
            Quote: Flood
            That's just for this, at first it would be nice to bring out the income of God.

            First of all, those in power who live in apartments whose value exceeds their income for 150 years. wink
            Ordinary people hide from taxes because of their redundancy - officials pay more than 70%.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 5 December 2019 07: 58
              +4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              First of all, those in power who live in apartments whose value exceeds their income for 150 years.

              About them and speech. Not about the pennies of Aunt Claudia.
            2. Glory1974
              Glory1974 5 December 2019 10: 14
              +5
              in addition to apartments there are also cars.
              According to the tax inspection in the country, a quarter of luxury cars, from previously registered ones, disappeared from the register.
              There are 2 options: either they were sold abroad wassat
              or somehow hidden from the luxury tax, which is more likely.
  7. Fraracol_2
    Fraracol_2 4 December 2019 16: 23
    0
    Well, if: ".. repressive, but justified"- who else but Kuzovkov?
  8. Corn
    Corn 4 December 2019 16: 23
    +9
    There is no progressive scale of fines, and is not expected.
    This means that no one is going to fight for compliance with the rules, lawmakers have come up with how to “replenish the cow more and feed less” for the sake of the budget, that’s the whole breakthrough doomed to success
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 December 2019 07: 56
      +5
      Quote: Corn
      There is no progressive scale of fines, and it is not expected

      Like a progressive tax scale! wink
  9. vanavatny
    vanavatny 4 December 2019 16: 43
    +16
    recently, comrade bailiffs, for illiteracy, re-imposed on part of the pension, the man knows the system perfectly, the senior bailiff, local epaulets ... arrived in the city, to quickly figure it out laughing there are no queues for him, they called about his problem, he knows how everything works and the performers personally ... he killed him for a week, he collected the papers himself, they collected them from smallpox heaps, he went to the area redoing what they wrote, I went to Sberbank, there he explained something, at his request they called from the prosecutor's office .... laughing infuriated terribly, departed without returning everything, spat and promised the bailiff a bright future. But ours, which has long scored on all the ships, lacks only the flow of appeals from citizens, a little puzzled by the sudden withdrawals of money from the account. Congratulations to everyone on trying to create another point of social tension
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 4 December 2019 17: 10
      +16
      ,, That will still be oh-oh-her ,, (c)
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 4 December 2019 16: 58
    +6
    Whatever our legislators do, all for the better laughing
    1. telobezumnoe
      telobezumnoe 11 December 2019 14: 40
      0
      and all that they do is for the worse .. unfortunately the incompetence in our system selects managers who just know that the cow gives more milk, it needs to be milked more often. and such optimization in all directions.
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  12. impostor
    impostor 4 December 2019 17: 37
    +5
    Every nation has the government that it deserves. Joseph de Mestre
    We deserve it.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 December 2019 07: 58
      +5
      Quote: impostor
      Every nation has the government that it deserves.
      In fact, the opposite is true - the government has us, and not us.
  13. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 4 December 2019 17: 39
    +8
    Well, yes .. for example, they calculated an erroneous penalty, because the payment went on for 10 days, they wrote off .. and that a lot of people will go to court to prove a mistake for 50-200-1000 rubles? I persevere for a car that has been sold; the tax counts are sold 14 years ago, it comes to court every 2-3 years, I come the question closes because it’s not mine, and the next year it’s back again ... should I pay for this car on the machine now?
    As a result, the budget will be replenished - get hurt ...
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 5 December 2019 08: 26
      +5
      ... I persistently for a car sold tax count sold 14 years ago ...

      It’s almost a similar situation, a foreign car was stolen from a neighbor in the early 90s (it was announced and stolen) that he still runs periodically (year after year) again and again proving that he no longer has this car.
  14. steelmaker
    steelmaker 4 December 2019 18: 06
    +4
    Everything related to the well-being of their people does not reach our rulers. Mega projects need to pay off.
    "In Russia you have to live a long time to live up to good things."
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 4 December 2019 18: 53
      +6
      Quote: steel maker
      Everything related to the well-being of their people does not reach our rulers. Mega projects need to pay off.
      "In Russia you have to live a long time to live up to good things."

      In the cap. Country, the well-being of the people is not interesting even to the people themselves, judging by the Russian Federation, what do you want from rulers? laughing
  15. nikvic46
    nikvic46 4 December 2019 18: 10
    +8
    The Internet is getting stupid, and with it people. To connect to the network, they check the phone several times a week. Nobody has a task to simplify our lives, but they’ve fined .. At first they made a windbreak, and the fines will automatically fly.
  16. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 4 December 2019 20: 02
    +2
    The tire as a component of the vehicle is subject to certification since 2011, at least when the TS TS 018/2011 was adopted.
  17. 30143
    30143 4 December 2019 20: 54
    +7
    As Arkady Raikin said ... "Guys, let's reduce the needs." Stupidly stop buying .... The demand will fall, the collapse will begin. The sit-down strike.
    For example, satellite channels will be paid from January ... People are joking and saying that we’ll watch less of this balcony, our head will hurt less!
    In general, "the people went stupid. People hawala." We have separate ministers - they are chairmen of liquidation commissions. In particular, education, healthcare, ukrzaliznitsa ...
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 4 December 2019 23: 02
      -5
      Quote: 30143
      We have individual ministers - these are the chairmen of the liquidation commissions. In particular, education, health, ukrzaliznitsy ...

      Are you talking about Ukraine?
    2. awdrgy
      awdrgy 4 December 2019 23: 37
      0
      I imagined what would happen if everything was stupid in one day they would not drive, really collapse
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 5 December 2019 08: 01
      0
      Ukrzaliznitsa not in Russia. A man wrote about Ukrainian railways Apparently, about Ukraine.
      1. 30143
        30143 6 December 2019 08: 51
        -1
        Yes, about her.
  18. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 5 December 2019 06: 48
    +4
    1. Simplification of collection - there is essentially an attempt on private property. The money of citizens, legal entities and state persons on bank accounts belong to them only on the right of ownership. I note - NOT to banks and NOT to the State!

    2. Regarding compulsory motor liability insurance in general insanity. Everything is automated by a two-bit script:
    Photo of the number from the road camera - traffic police base - insurer base - there is no OSAGO - a letter of happiness with a resolution. All! And the back of the traffic police is warm and the issue of fakes and corruption will decline. It remains only to simplify the procedure for the extension of these OSAGO and, if desired, to increase the terms of imprisonment to 3-5 years. According to personal experience, the lines are still wild (despite electronic versions), additional insurance is still being imposed.

    3. Submit articles to the Code of Administrative Offenses (and even better to the Criminal Code) for the identity of the adopted legal and by-laws.
  19. Alex66
    Alex66 5 December 2019 08: 18
    +4
    Our police do not like to get in touch with those who can hire a lawyer (wealthy people) and with marginals from whom there is nothing to take. Therefore, all repressions will be rained on law-abiding working citizens.
  20. littoral
    littoral 5 December 2019 09: 05
    +5
    But do lawmakers want to start by simplifying the receipt of compensation from road services for causing damage to the vehicle due to poor-quality road surface, lack or illegibility of warning road signs, etc.? Maybe they want (as repeatedly promised) to cancel the transport tax?
    And then to increase the amount of fines and toughen the punishment for drivers - not only a big mind, but even a small one, is not necessary.
  21. MoJloT
    MoJloT 5 December 2019 10: 51
    +3
    But note that this may not be so bad
    Of course it’s not bad and even right to send a cash cow for meat.
  22. Dmitriy84
    Dmitriy84 5 December 2019 12: 38
    +2
    “It should be noted that there are very reasonable things in the new code, aimed precisely at reducing the repressiveness of the articles and norms contained in it. In particular, this concerns the imposition of fines: now the courts are directly ordered to take into account the property status of the offender when imposing the amount of the fine.

    When imposing an administrative penalty in the form of an administrative fine, its amount must be determined taking into account the nature of the unlawful action (inaction) and the harm caused to it, the property and financial situation of an individual held administratively liable, and his family, the presence of an individual held administratively liable , salary or other income, property and financial situation of a legal entity, individual entrepreneur, attracted to the admin tive responsibility.


    And this, whatever you say, is still a step towards the common man. The alleged proportionality of the punishment not only to the severity of the offense, but also to the person's ability to pay the fine is a step, of course, humane and reasonable. More of these ... "



    The fact is that the judges ... the "hammer" will be put on this, that's all
  23. Altona
    Altona 5 December 2019 13: 24
    +6
    In general, the new Code of Administrative Offenses was already rushed to be called more repressive than the former. Most likely, this is so: not being a professional lawyer, I will not risk getting involved in a substantive dispute on such a matter.
    --------------------
    And why then write articles if he is not a specialist? Or at least it was necessary to get a comment from lawyers. Alienation of funds and property should be in court, and not random write-offs. In general, the Code of Administrative Offenses is more and more aimed at replenishing the treasury, from which the people get less and less.
  24. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 6 December 2019 20: 33
    +1
    Once again I am convinced that neither the government, nor the State Duma, nor the Federation Council and other councils are capable of doing anything smart and useful in the existing form, and they do not want to.
  25. Den717
    Den717 8 December 2019 13: 57
    0
    very reasonable things, ......... now the courts are directly ordered to take into account the property status of the offender when assigning the amount of the fine.

    So the Stockholm arbitration took into account the property situation ...... and applied the asymmetry in making the decision and sided with the country with a worthless economy. Also reasonable? And why did Themis blindfold all the way? And all other judgments in the same place are thought out. And as for the bailiffs, he is still a pearl. Well, liquidate, who will do their ungrateful work? Bodywork? Now, if not a lawyer, why discuss legal topics? For the sake of a fee?
  26. IL-64
    IL-64 9 December 2019 21: 30
    0
    About fake OSAGO policies for respectable citizens is a condom stretched over a globe. Any citizen can now check the availability of his policy in the PCA database. Fakes are 99% of those who need it to "show IDPS".