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In Kiev: A document following the Norman meeting will not carry legal obligations for Ukraine

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Another surprising statement was noted in Kiev regarding the upcoming meeting in the Norman format. Recall that the meeting should be held on December 9 in Paris, and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky also announced a bilateral meeting with Vladimir Putin.


Commenting on the soon meeting in the Norman format, the Ukrainian Minister (Deputy Prime Minister) for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration, Dmitry Kuleba, announced that the document, which will be signed during the meeting by the heads of four states, “will not bear any legal obligations for Ukraine.”

Mr. Kuleba expressed these words on the air of the ICTV channel.

Kuleba said that the final document "will simply be the result of these negotiations."

According to the Ukrainian deputy prime minister, the communique is political in nature.

From a statement by Mr. Kuleba:

This is a document that is prepared in advance. This is “meat”, which can then be further improved and supplemented with those things that can be negotiated there (...) There will be no talk of any legal obligations that the Ukrainian state will assume in the person of the president.

As you can see, Ukraine is not initially going to assume any legal obligations during the upcoming negotiations. In this case, the prospect of at least some positive outcome of the negotiations becomes frankly vague. What positive results in this case can be discussed at all if one of the participants a priori refuses to take these results into account and fulfill their obligations? ..
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 3 December 2019 07: 30
    +20
    "The document following the Normandy meeting will not carry legal obligations for Ukraine"
    Well, why the hell then this tour?
    PPR among the heads of France, Germany and Russia?
    I heard that Minsk docs Merkel ParAskhenko forced to sign!
    I believe that for 5 years she has not lost this terminology.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 December 2019 07: 42
      +7
      So we do not need it. Just Europeans need to push Putin.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 3 December 2019 09: 15
        +5
        Commenting on the soon meeting in the Norman format, the Ukrainian Minister (Deputy Prime Minister) for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration, Dmitry Kuleba, announced that the document, which will be signed during the meeting by the heads of four states, “will not bear any legal obligations for Ukraine.”

        And why, then, on the "Hitlerite" team of the Banderloid Ukraine, the heads of other states - especially Russia - spend time ?!
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 3 December 2019 10: 27
          +1
          Quote: Tatiana
          And why, then, on the "Hitlerite" team of the Banderloid Ukraine, the heads of other states - especially Russia - spend time ?!

          "It is always good to talk"
          S.Lavrov

          How, for example, do you imagine the work of an intelligence officer (diplomat) who ignores "communication" with the enemy? wink

          “At the heart of human behavior are innermost desires. First of all, you need to understand these desires, then you need to make your interlocutor passionately wish for something. Those who can do this will conquer the whole world, and those who cannot - will be left alone. ”
          D. Carnegie.

          6 главных правил успешного общения - https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5a9ad8dffd96b16eb45e2a23/6-glavnyh-pravil-uspeshnogo-obsceniia-5aa4b33a1aa80c82f8b5f4ea
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 3 December 2019 10: 41
            +2
            Quote: Cube123
            “At the heart of human behavior are innermost desires. First of all, you need to understand these desires, then you need to make your interlocutor passionately wish for something. Those who can do this will conquer the whole world, and those who cannot - will be left alone. ”D. Carnegie.

            The fact is that Carnegie spoke about the desires of people of a not so global partnership scale as Anglo-Saxon politics and Zionism in the world, in the person of the heads of state.
            To exercise influence on such people, you need to meet more with them separately in private. This is on the one hand.
            On the other hand. Neither Macron nor Merkel are free people in politics. These are hired managers of higher geopolitical structures above them. A step to the right, a step to the left - for them personally it is a "shooting"! They agreed to this when they held their posts - and to another (without outside support), due to the instinct of self-preservation, they will not go.

            But, of course, it is possible to maintain smiling contacts between Germany, France and Russia regarding the "Banderloid" Ukraine for a "tick". It’s just not possible to let Ukraine wipe its feet - in business negotiations!
            This is also one of the communicative rules of successful business negotiations.
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 3 December 2019 11: 07
              +3
              Quote: Tatiana
              But, of course, it is possible to maintain smiling contacts between Germany, France and Russia regarding the "Banderloid" Ukraine for a "tick". It’s just not possible to let Ukraine wipe its feet - in business negotiations!
              This is also one of the communicative rules of successful business negotiations.

              And I would, in the place of Putin (do you know a lot of people who could get anything from him simply by pressure? laughing ), it would be STILL very interesting to see how Ze will get out after all the nasty things that he said about him while working in the "95-quarter".
              1. Alien From
                Alien From 3 December 2019 11: 45
                +7
                "Lavrov's phrase", then let's send Pasha Volya there, to meet this clown! Just everyone will be at the level! The President has more important things to do than crush water in a mortar!
                1. Cube123
                  Cube123 3 December 2019 14: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Alien From
                  "Lavrov's phrase", then let's send Pasha Volya there, to meet this clown! Just everyone will be at the level! The President has more important things to do than crush water in a mortar!


                  Pasha Will? And who is it?

                  Do you think Putin has nothing to talk about with Merkel and Macron? There is generally a "free application". It really makes no sense to meet with him.
                  1. Alien From
                    Alien From 3 December 2019 14: 04
                    0
                    So that's why Pasha (TV comedian)! So people do not interfere with the Ze-clown)))
                    1. Cube123
                      Cube123 3 December 2019 14: 06
                      +2
                      Quote: Alien From
                      So that's why Pasha (TV comedian)! So people do not interfere with the Ze-clown)))

                      Neither Merkel nor Macron will meet with him !!!
      2. Brturin
        Brturin 3 December 2019 10: 29
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        So we do not need it. Just Europeans need to push Putin.

        And they pushed a lot. Russia has set three conditions - Assistant to the President of Russia Yuri Ushakov - 1) to finally regulate the issue of disengagement of forces and equipment in three settlements, 2) to fix in writing within the contact group the so-called Steinmeier formula, 3) "And our third important condition is this is a preliminary agreement on the results of the summit, that is, agreement on the results that will be presented to the public and which will subsequently serve as a guideline for further work to resolve this crisis. " That Ukraine did not fulfill these conditions ... the forces were divorced, the formula was adopted, the final document was developed and agreed upon by the representative of Russia (who will admit wording that is not convenient for us ???) "the document will not bear legal obligations", but without its implementation there will be no next meetings ... well, they have not met since 2016 and what of this Russia ...
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 3 December 2019 18: 23
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        Just Europeans need to push Putin.

        On Putin, where you climb, you climb down. One gathered to sell.
    2. LeonidL
      LeonidL 3 December 2019 07: 53
      +2
      Signed ... well, what's the use of this New Munich deal?
      1. zloybond
        zloybond 3 December 2019 08: 15
        +6
        This is the same as Yanukovych-forced to sign. Guarantors guaranteed and promised ... And then - you never know what we promised on you))))
    3. svp67
      svp67 3 December 2019 09: 33
      +5
      Quote: Victor_B
      Well, why the hell then this tour?

      The same question. What is she for? to sit, chat and break up?
      1. iConst
        iConst 3 December 2019 10: 32
        +5
        Quote: svp67
        The same question. What is she for? to sit, chat and break up?

        Come on, go into the negotiation room - and there .... the piano is standing! wassat
        1. svp67
          svp67 3 December 2019 18: 24
          0
          Quote: iConst
          Come on, go into the negotiation room - and there

          nothing ... emptiness ... no tables, no chairs ... one piano ... and one without strings
        2. Victor_B
          Victor_B 3 December 2019 19: 59
          0
          Quote: iConst
          and there .... the piano is worth it!

          But what will Merkel play?
          Or Zelensky solo panis-ohm on the piano will perform?
    4. bar
      bar 3 December 2019 09: 48
      +2
      "The document following the Normandy meeting will not carry legal obligations for Ukraine"
      Well, why the hell then this tour?

      I hope a statement will be adopted on the inability and unwillingness of Ukraine to implement the Minsk agreements. And, hopefully, based on this statement, Russia will finally announce the recognition of the independence of the DPR / LPR as the only way out of the crisis.
      1. Neznaika
        Neznaika 3 December 2019 10: 11
        -3
        Most likely it will be different.
        Preferences from the meeting will receive one Zelensky. Moreover, for any outcome. Even at zero.
        The world will be shown reluctance and inability to negotiate precisely with Russia. For it is Russia that will set initially unacceptable conditions for Ukraine.
        Why Russia needs this is not clear.
        Perhaps some goodies were promised for the very fact of the meeting. Like lifting some sanctions or reviewing the participation of Russian athletes in the Olympics.
        1. bar
          bar 3 December 2019 11: 16
          +2
          Preferences from the meeting will receive one Zelensky. Moreover, for any outcome. Even at zero.

          It will receive it, of course, but exclusively at the intra-Ukrainian level. On the "outer perimeter" he got everyone out a long time ago. And last but not least, with graters with Gazprom and with transit agreements, which in particular Germany are very worried about.

          The world will be shown reluctance and inability to negotiate precisely with Russia.

          Unlikely. Russia is stubborn and competently requires only compliance with the Minsk agreements, and nothing more.
          At the expense of sanctions and the Olympics, it is also unlikely. They are not ruled by Europeans, but striped, and nothing can be done about it.
    5. iConst
      iConst 3 December 2019 10: 30
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Minsk docs Merkel ParAshenko swearing forced to sign

      And, I wonder, did she rhetoric through "Schweine" or "after mother"? smile Is history silent?
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 3 December 2019 19: 31
        +2
        Angela Merkel won 3 (three) times at school Olympiads in the Russian language. Frau Merkel herself declares - "... Russian is her favorite ...". Angela can teach several "lessons" of the Russian language for V. Zelensky ...
    6. venik
      venik 3 December 2019 15: 02
      +3
      Quote: Victor_B
      "The document following the Normandy meeting will not carry legal obligations for Ukraine"

      =======
      Well, as always! "Banderlog" and "hohlopitheki" - expect to be "sly ... poorer" ALL!
      Like: "We will all" sign ".... But" FULFILL - WE ARE NOT GATHERING "!!!
      AND WHY IT DOES NOT SURPRISE ME ??? request
  2. The popuas
    The popuas 3 December 2019 07: 31
    +1
    Bend over the potion ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 December 2019 07: 43
      +4
      Who will force him? He enjoys some support in the West.
      1. Graz
        Graz 3 December 2019 08: 54
        +6
        WHO? Yes, he is being bent in Ukraine by all and sundry, one hundred military members of the world came to the parliament with threats and demands, and he immediately bent down, he is a wedding general without real control levers
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 3 December 2019 09: 57
        +3
        It became interesting to me :: and who supports this jellyfish in the West?
        But it’s interesting why: it may well turn out that as a result of the failure of this meeting, the shelling of LDNR may intensify so much that Russia will begin to FORCE rogue skakuas to the world ... this is where the global alignment will be important.
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 3 December 2019 09: 03
      +4
      Quote: Popuas
      Bend over the potion ...

      Already...
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 3 December 2019 09: 43
        +4
        Quote: Balu
        Quote: Popuas
        Bend over the potion ...

        Already...
        That's right! Namely.

        Just as the world Zionists, since 1917, have cleaned the Russian lands in Russia from the state that forms and not only the Russian population to form their own "Khazaria-2", so they continue and will continue to cleanse them!

        The goyim can talk as much as they want about the investigation - about the war and the alleged desire of Kiev to establish peace in Ukraine with the Russian population of the LPR, but this will mean nothing if at the same time they keep silent about the main reason for the war - about the historical existence of the Zionist against Ukraine / Russia. the project of creating on the lands of Ukraine "Khazaria-2", now being implemented under the name "Heavenly Jerusalem" (ie, the creation of the second national Jewish state "Israel-2")!
  3. Fedorov
    Fedorov 3 December 2019 07: 37
    +2
    I actually do not accept, even mentally, the statements of Ukrainian officials.
    They swelled, and passed the law, especially when "a grant comes into your pocket.
    I'm not writing from scratch. Himself indirectly participated.
    1. Den717
      Den717 3 December 2019 09: 10
      +2
      Quote: Fedorov
      Himself indirectly participated.

      Advice with VO? wink Can you reveal the subtle political "kitchen" in more detail? From each office of the "Pres office" one can hear its opinion on any issue and all in different directions. Is this a team of anarchists? Or do they not know their employer?
  4. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 3 December 2019 07: 39
    +5
    M-dya! Why then coordinate it? Why is this meeting necessary at all !? If the signed documents are not subject to execution (with yursila) .....!?
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 3 December 2019 09: 41
      +2
      Dmitriy! Indeed, Putin has already visited Paris, and several times, and in general he gives the impression of a person tired of fame. So nafig spend kerosene on the flight. Let there they themselves as they want, but not particularly greedy. On this occasion, I remembered the immortal phrase of Mordyukova "Or we will turn off the gas"!
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 3 December 2019 10: 51
        -1
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        On this occasion, I remembered the immortal phrase of Mordyukova "Or we will turn off the gas"!

        One of the conditions of the meeting was the adoption of the Steinmeier Formula (legally, this power was never drawn up), but it was taken under screams that this was the surrender of Ukraine. The phrase could be different, but the principle is the same - they still found arguments to push it, like Ze wanted to meet without any conditions, but ...
      2. Dmitry Potapov
        Dmitry Potapov 3 December 2019 11: 01
        +1
        Such an opinion is that if the Armed Forces of Ukraine had not raked off near Debaltseve, there would not have been Minsk-2. Hence the conclusion that each document before signing must be accompanied by victories of the republics, so it comes better and reasonably. Nonsense however!
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 3 December 2019 07: 40
    +3
    As I said.
    Maybe you don't have to make a meeting? Since officials on both sides verbally "fired on", and the journalists have already sucked all the options in advance?
    1. ML-334
      ML-334 3 December 2019 10: 16
      +2
      Our knows what he is doing and is going on this. Zelya is now in search of an answer, sucker or not sucker at 42, we will soon find out.
  6. askort154
    askort154 3 December 2019 07: 48
    +7
    Sly-ass, already pre-marked with flags. Take what you want, and we will do what the USCOM tells us, and in the legal field, we cannot be reached.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 3 December 2019 09: 38
      -7
      Quote: askort154
      Sly-ass, already pre-marked with flags. Take what you want, and we will do what we are told in the "usaobkom"

      What do you think? Everything is like with the Budapest Memorandum, like they signed, and Ukraine fulfilled its part of the obligations, and then, once again, "the Duma did not ratify." Your indignation is not entirely clear. An example of such behavior was taught to Ukraine a long time ago, and it is a sin not to use it.
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 3 December 2019 10: 49
      0
      So it’s not we who should take it, but the skakuas: take measures that affect the entire 30 millionth population of Ukraine - we have only one measure left - ENCOURAGING the world, but Merkel and Macron should support us in this ...
  7. LeonidL
    LeonidL 3 December 2019 07: 51
    0
    "What positive results can we talk about in this case, if one of the participants a priori refuses to take these results into account and fulfill the obligations? .." - The question is incorrect! It is correct to put the question differently: "Why, then, is this event necessary at all? Collect jokes, drink beer, scratch tongues?"
  8. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 December 2019 08: 03
    +2
    This is a document that is prepared in advance. This "meat", which then can still be further improved and supplemented with those things
    How can you say that the document is "meat". The scumbags who have seized hold of power, in their eyes only dollars and "myaso". For them, there is nothing sacred, like theirs Greenloh said about the inhabitants of Lao PDR
    Zelensky, in an interview with Spiegel, said that he would fight for the residents of the DPR and LPR who have gone astray.
    Some kind of "non-brothers" flawed rulers.
  9. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 3 December 2019 08: 08
    +3
    and what is the difference in principle, what will they do? someone really hoped for some kind of result? Zelensky wants to show everyone that he is all so serious and he cares about the results for the domestic audience of his country. Europeans apparently want something from Putin and agreed, but it’s important for him to show that he always gives a chance to agree. everyone has their own. Zelensky really doesn’t really understand what ticks he’ll get into now. he cannot be handed over; his own will be crushed, and the crush on three leaders has not increased his crush. and all these statements are precisely what would be needed to brighten up the consequences later, because the chances of someone to do something there push him zero. it will be something like this, there he will either be silent or mumble something and tell everyone at home how he ran into Putin and defended Ukraine. nothing new)))
  10. antivirus
    antivirus 3 December 2019 08: 11
    0
    kohlostantsy my children!
  11. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 3 December 2019 08: 14
    0
    This "meat", which then can be further improved

    Yes. Who about what, and lousy everything about the bath ...
    Ukrainians remembered about meat, they want to improve it.
    But what about lard?
    He, they say, is already being delivered to Belarus from Belarus. Will it be improved too?
    If something is being improved in Dill - write is gone ...
  12. Aliken
    Aliken 3 December 2019 08: 17
    +2
    Let the pig sit at the table ...
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 December 2019 08: 21
    +1
    Banderlogs ... purely banderlogs. Kipling! They admire themselves, they don’t remember what happened yesterday ... Noisy, stupid ... They don’t know the JUNGLE LAW!
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 3 December 2019 08: 22
    +1
    In Kiev: A document following the Norman meeting will not carry legal obligations for Ukraine

    Well, then why go to some meeting? Rub your elbows and all?
    Malasa, there is nothing more to say!
    1. knn54
      knn54 3 December 2019 09: 22
      +1
      Talk about gas supplies in particular.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 December 2019 10: 07
        +1
        Quote: knn54
        Talk about gas supplies in particular.

        If it does not oblige you to anything, it’s just a talking room! Why go, eating such a thing as a telephone, everything is much simpler and also does not oblige you to anything, it seems.
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 3 December 2019 11: 11
        0
        The terms of supplies for Germany have not changed, and France sits on Danish-Norwegian gas and does not concern its Russian gas, especially since Gazprom sent a notification to Naftogaz yesterday about the termination of transit. And it is quite likely that if Ukraine receives gas, it will receive it from the Turkish Stream, and there Turkey sits on the hub and sets prices, but the jellyfish will not dare to argue with the Sultan - he said "cancer" - that means that it will be so. laughing
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 3 December 2019 11: 36
          0
          Quote: hydrox
          and France sits on Danish-Norwegian gas and its Russian gas does not concern

          This is a bit wrong. The Polish antitrust regulator fined the French Engie for SP-2. At the end of 2018, Gazprom increased gas exports to France by 5,4% compared with 2017 - up to 12,9 billion cubic meters. m., according to the results of January-November this year, it grew by another 8%. See decided that oil, gas, coal from one supplier can be no more than 30%, I don’t know how the Sultan is, but Aliyev will be dissatisfied - they bought more than 90% of oil in Azerbaijan ...
  15. evgic
    evgic 3 December 2019 08: 40
    +4
    Outskirts are not negotiable. You can’t negotiate anything with this non-state entity; for them, no agreement is legally binding if you are not standing over the mammoth drover with a leg brought in for a kick. But as soon as the contract is turned away, it will again lose force.
    1. cniza
      cniza 3 December 2019 09: 18
      +2
      They do not have a concept or idea of ​​what a state is, hence some hotelians and all owe them.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 December 2019 10: 09
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        They do not have a concept or idea of ​​what a state is, hence some hotelians and all owe them.

        That's right, they have more than enough Wishlist! And of course, they really think that someone owes them something.
        Clowning, if you look closely.
        1. cniza
          cniza 3 December 2019 11: 44
          +2
          And all this clowning, crap at our doorstep.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 3 December 2019 12: 16
            +1
            Quote: cniza
            And all this clowning, crap at our doorstep.

            Yes, they have time to scam a lot where, among themselves and others too.
            1. cniza
              cniza 3 December 2019 12: 23
              +2
              But this cannot continue indefinitely ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 3 December 2019 12: 55
                +1
                Quote: cniza
                But this cannot continue indefinitely ...

                I would like to hope so, but there they are busy with the young, rising generation! Svidomo Banderlog educate, not all, but for their purposes, and that's enough.
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    1. Moskovit
      Moskovit 3 December 2019 09: 17
      +7
      What terms do you have today? Bent down, arrows, hucksters. Maybe you should have been sent to a meeting, au-negotiator? About the Power of Siberia, have not you heard? Which for some reason was launched not on December 20, but. And the Power of Siberia-2, which will soon begin to build.
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      2. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 3 December 2019 10: 47
        +2
        Judging by the way our "oppositionists" howled about the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. Its construction and launch was the right decision. On Yandex news, the howl exceeded a thousand comments.
        Everyone laments that they are selling a Russian woman. And thereby preventing Americans from selling their American (LNG). laughing
    2. cniza
      cniza 3 December 2019 09: 17
      +2
      Have you lost everything? Crying can help.
      1. Potato
        Potato 3 December 2019 09: 37
        -15
        We have increased the retirement age, increased VAT, high inflation, prices are rising ...

        Do you have a mustache?
        1. cniza
          cniza 3 December 2019 09: 44
          +2
          And what, crawl into the cemetery? I will work harder and advise everyone ...
          1. Potato
            Potato 3 December 2019 09: 51
            -8
            Oh, yes ... you get a plus from Elvira Nabiulina and her Swedish descendants !: "It is on you that our success and prosperity rests! Thank you!"
            1. cniza
              cniza 3 December 2019 09: 53
              +2
              I don’t need anything from anyone, you don’t understand this, I don’t expect anything from anyone - myself, only you will be happy, try ...
              1. Potato
                Potato 3 December 2019 09: 58
                -6
                Yes, I also think ... Maybe I could buy a gun, go to the taiga, declare my country there and live there for my pleasure, by the stove, away from everyone!) Oh, dreams ... It's cold there. And mosquitoes. We would have a climate like in Europe. Then everything would be!
                1. cniza
                  cniza 3 December 2019 10: 03
                  +1
                  You see, you again want to be given (climate), but no one will give you anything. And I never planned to retire and do not plan ...
                  1. Potato
                    Potato 3 December 2019 10: 06
                    -5
                    Forever Young....
                    Always drunk!))

                    You, this, when old age comes - keep yourself in control, do not commit unreasoned acts)

                    But I also never want to retire. But, I feel, I’ll become old - they will leave me. After that I have to live on the subcutaneous)
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 3 December 2019 11: 41
                      +1
                      Well, yes, forever young, after six months he will hit you and I wish you the same. good
        2. Yaro Polk
          Yaro Polk 3 December 2019 10: 41
          -1
          And we have opened the FORCE OF SIBERIA 40 lard cubes a year to China, will make up to 110, and you ..?
    3. Guards turn
      Guards turn 3 December 2019 09: 35
      +3
      For some reason, the gas pipeline to China strengthens Russian-Chinese relations and gives Chinese business all the benefits of using cheap and environmentally friendly fuels. And the gas pipeline to Europe enslaves it, deprives the remnants of sovereignty.
      1. Potato
        Potato 3 December 2019 11: 38
        -2
        Tsyts! This is the line of the party ...
        1. Guards turn
          Guards turn 3 December 2019 12: 03
          0
          The United States appreciated even greater Russian-Chinese alliance and the United States shook its knees even more.
  17. Ham
    Ham 3 December 2019 08: 55
    +1
    but the green one will show photos to everyone ... maybe fortanet and sfotitsya with Putin
    1. cniza
      cniza 3 December 2019 09: 16
      +1
      Yeah, he's a painful self.
  18. cniza
    cniza 3 December 2019 09: 15
    -1
    Dmitry Kuleba announced that the document, which will be signed during the meeting by the heads of four states, “will not bear any legal obligations for Ukraine.”


    No one can convince me that they do not smoke or eat mushrooms ...
  19. Eug
    Eug 3 December 2019 09: 34
    0
    At the most, at all levels, they do not respect agreements, but agreements, and not so much them as the forces that stand behind them and which cannot be ignored ... So what Ukraine is going to or is not going to do is more than a secondary issue. It’s another matter that such preparation of the negotiating positions is rather negative - in any situation, it is impossible to refuse to admit the outcome of the negotiations in advance, because by doing so you make yourself guilty of their failure. However, it is quite possible that the failure of negotiations is the goal of Ukraine - but how it will be accepted by no means the most unoccupied Macron, Merkel and Putin, each of whom desperately needs foreign policy success and what kind of change in attitude towards Ukraine this will cause. .
  20. shark
    shark 3 December 2019 09: 38
    +1
    The point is this brat? Just talk? There's no point. Ukraine as a state is not negotiable!
    1. Potato
      Potato 3 December 2019 10: 03
      -1
      Yes, there will not be a market for Ukraine, but for gas. Putin has been blackmailed by Ukraine for 6 years, and on New Year’s Eve they want another present from him - a drop in prices, a drain on Russia's interests, curtsies towards dill ...
  21. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 December 2019 09: 56
    +2
    Ukrainian Minister (Deputy Prime Minister) for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration Dmitry Kuleba
    Please note that the Minister for European Integration is doing everything possible to disrupt the already announced meeting and to cast doubt on possible agreements in advance. Well, isn’t everything done in Ukraine through one place? With them, whoever became president, the Nazi jackals would dictate the conditions of existence and with a hand outstretched to give a spit in the giver's hand.
  22. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 3 December 2019 10: 08
    0
    In Chubchi, everything is connected with ,, meat ,,. After such words, the Foreign Ministry should refuse to meet. And let fartherds boil in their own juice.
  23. SASHA OLD
    SASHA OLD 3 December 2019 10: 23
    0
    then no one will have any obligations to Ukraine ..
    what kind of people? consider that only to them all around should ...
  24. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 3 December 2019 10: 50
    0
    He might not have said that. Everyone already knows that modern Ukraine and its obligations are incompatible.
  25. Prisoner
    Prisoner 3 December 2019 11: 05
    0
    laughing laughing laughing What are the obligations for a flock of banderlogs? Do not make me laugh. Rudyard Kipling spoke well about the Banderlog tribe. How to stick it. winked
  26. Rwmos
    Rwmos 3 December 2019 11: 16
    +1
    Do not go there.
  27. Brturin
    Brturin 3 December 2019 11: 50
    +1
    Why go there? For me, the main question will be a special status - "This is such a cornerstone law, and most importantly, it has to be coordinated with the DPR and LPR, and so far Kiev excludes direct contacts. How will they agree, in what format?" - Peskov. “The previous one was agreed with Donbass. No other laws not agreed with the LPR, DPR will work. They will lead the situation only to a dead end ”- his boss. Let's wait and see ... the EU is now vacillating - “This is a topic on which there is no single position. Some countries are reluctant to discuss the issue of normalizing relations with Russia, while others would like to improve relations ”- Magherini's successor. Macron clearly wants to improve relations - "Is Russia our enemy? I don't believe in that", "At first, this is a clear, strong and challenging dialogue with Russia. I would like to give dynamics to this dialogue."
  28. Berkut24
    Berkut24 3 December 2019 11: 53
    +3
    The document following the Norman meeting will not carry legal obligations for Ukraine

    In some ways, they are right. But there will be political, diplomatic, financial and other consequences. Kuleba does not understand that this is the last chance to have Europe as an ally. If this does not work out, what to do next with this territorial misunderstanding will be decided without the country of guest workers.
  29. Victorio
    Victorio 3 December 2019 12: 08
    +1
    (LDN will have to endure further
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 3 December 2019 15: 17
      0
      Quote: Victorio
      (LDN will have to endure further

      hi
      Then, as Kiev "inmates" assume, the Sov. the secret plan of the hetman under the letter "B". And what is its essence quint? Again, the assumptions are the same:
  30. Nitarius
    Nitarius 3 December 2019 12: 25
    +1
    want this one ... but with a gun at the temple .. this one will sign what they give him!
  31. prior
    prior 3 December 2019 12: 47
    +1
    No agreements with terrorists in Syria led to guaranteed peace.
    Here the situation is similar.
    Until surrender is signed in Kiev, the civil war in Ukraine will continue more or less intensely.
    Only a complete victory over Bandera will bring peace.
  32. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 3 December 2019 13: 37
    +1
    only one question arises, and on the fig, to negotiate with them at all, they do not fulfill any contract
    1. Fevralsk. Morev
      Fevralsk. Morev 3 December 2019 14: 53
      0
      In politics, nothing is just being done. Ukraine is not a pawn, it is a chessboard. Not finished yet.
  33. evgen1221
    evgen1221 3 December 2019 13: 48
    0
    They, that is, 404, think that under the mattress of God they seized the campaign by the beard. Well, the adik thought too.
  34. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 3 December 2019 13: 50
    +1
    Quote: iConst
    Quote: svp67
    The same question. What is she for? to sit, chat and break up?

    Come on, go into the negotiation room - and there .... the piano is standing! wassat

    .... and the keys are coated with epoxy ..... Fast-hardening.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 3 December 2019 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Vkd dvk
      Come on, go into the negotiation room - and there .... the piano is standing!

      hi
      And on the piano there is a half-naked black man, and next to him a horse backwards (Picasso - oil painting). bully
  35. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 3 December 2019 13: 56
    0
    This scumbag by his statement freed Putin from finding opportunities to put green under execution by his Western friends. Not green and his nonsense is important at this meeting. And sharpening Merkel and Macron against this fascist. Such behavior of ukrov explains to his oak ally himself that further cooperation with him glosses over any shit.
  36. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 3 December 2019 14: 49
    0
    Implementation of the Minsk agreements by Ukraine-Brazilian soap opera.
  37. Lelek
    Lelek 3 December 2019 15: 02
    0
    (This is a document that is prepared in advance. This is “meat”, which can then be further improved and supplemented with those things that can be negotiated there (...) There will be no talk of any legal obligations that the Ukrainian state will assume in the person of the president.)

    If this opus is considered an official statement of the former Ukraine, then the summit should be canceled. Gathering to "bolster", take a picture, crunch oysters and go home, what's the point? And if this is the private opinion of the state. an official who runs counter to the president's goal, then you need to chase the bastard with a filthy broom. And what will the hetman say to this? And the time before the "arrow" is less than a week. And one more thing - Kiev started vanging on whether Putin will bring the leaders of the LPR and DPR to the summit:
  38. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 3 December 2019 15: 53
    0
    Quote: Lelek
    (This is a document that is prepared in advance. This is “meat”, which can then be further improved and supplemented with those things that can be negotiated there (...) There will be no talk of any legal obligations that the Ukrainian state will assume in the person of the president.)

    If this opus is considered an official statement of the former Ukraine, then the summit should be canceled. Gathering to "bolster", take a picture, crunch oysters and go home, what's the point? And if this is the private opinion of the state. an official who runs counter to the president's goal, then you need to chase the bastard with a filthy broom. And what will the hetman say to this? And the time before the "arrow" is less than a week. And one more thing - Kiev started vanging on whether Putin will bring the leaders of the LPR and DPR to the summit:

    The more such a mess on yet immature, the brighter, more convex and more understandable for any moron, be he a politician or an assistant in the housing and communal services, which is hu.
  39. 1536
    1536 3 December 2019 17: 39
    0
    You have to fly to Paris from Moscow via the North Pole, or in some other way, bypassing Eastern Europe. It is very suspicious that the Ukrainians so want to hold a meeting in this so-called "Normandy format", as if they are luring.
  40. iouris
    iouris 5 December 2019 13: 07
    0
    The clown pretends to be the joker. "Ukraine" and "legal obligations" are incompatible concepts. Shakespeare said, "The whole world is a circus, and the people in it are clowns." Lenin wrote: "In impoverished and illiterate Russia, television shows and the political circus are the most important of the arts for us."