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Surprise to the Enemy: Iran launches mass production of Jask cruise missiles

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Iran’s naval forces have begun mass production of their own Jask cruise missiles.

Navy chief Rear Admiral Hossein Khanzadi announced the mass production of the Jask rocket during a visit to an exhibit on Saturday showing some of Tehran’s latest achievements. According to him, all submarines of the forces will be equipped with this weapons. Moreover, it is expected that the range of the rocket will be “significantly” increased in the future.

The commander added that weapons developed as part of the Jask-2 project would allow the Navy to hit targets over long distances. As he explained, the rocket "will certainly be a serious surprise for the enemy."

Another project, dubbed “Jask-3,” is under development, Hanzhan said. Thanks to him, it will be possible to use a wider range of missiles in submarines.

Also on Saturday, five other new creations of Tehran were presented: the Pelican drone, the Sadaf-2 naval mine, the Soren positioning system, the Balaban guided bomb and the Lokman training ship.

Allegedly, the Soren positioning system will allow Iranian submarines to track targets without using the global positioning system (GPS) technology, operating seamlessly underwater. The Pelikan UAV, equipped with four engines, performs vertical take-off and landing.

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http://www.defense-arabic.com/
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  1. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 2 December 2019 23: 44
    -10
    Is there a test video?
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 3 December 2019 00: 02
      +16
      Quote: Diversant Holuy
      Is there a test video?

      Well, since they went into the series, they probably already experienced it, and since they announced mass production and do not make this a secret, then a video will probably be revealed soon so that the doubters have no doubt that it could fly if something happens .
      Quote: Saboteur Holuay
      If these missiles are dangerous, then we are waiting for a strike, or sabotage ..
      Why do they need it at the moment? Directly you are not at war with them, and indirect "contacts" are carried out as deterrence and counteraction on foreign (adjacent) territory. The escalation of opposition into a hot phase of the military conflict is not in the interests of either Iran or Israel. They are still closer to the Saudi graters.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 3 December 2019 00: 54
        +23
        Dmitriy hi
        So I think that it is more profitable for Iran to crush the Saudis and other "fat cats" of the Gulf. A decrease in oil production in CA automatically increases demand for Iranian oil.
        In general, the development of the military-industrial complex of Iran in recent years, suggests that he is being intensely helped from outside. Who could it be ? what
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 3 December 2019 01: 12
          +10
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Dmitriy hi
          So I think that it is more profitable for Iran to crush the Saudis and other "fat cats" of the Gulf. A decrease in oil production in CA automatically increases demand for Iranian oil.

          Good evening Stas hi Something like this. Iran forms its Shiite belt from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean Sea and clearly has ambitions for a key regional player who has in his arsenal not only energy resources, but also sufficient weapons to realize and hold on to his plan. Many people don’t like this, and especially Israel, but they still don’t converge on the frontal because This will drag on for a long time and seriously strain the economy of Israel. So, most likely, attempts will be made to arrange a slaughter between Iran and S. Arabia in order to exhaust both of them and thereby control two geopolitical competitors in the region.
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          In general, the development of the military-industrial complex of Iran in recent years, suggests that he is being intensely helped from outside. Who could it be ?

          It is what it is. On the missile topic, there is speculation that the Koreans and the Ayatollahs shared something. recourse
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 3 December 2019 01: 18
            +3
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            On the missile topic, there is speculation that the Koreans and the Ayatollahs shared something.

            I think China too. Maybe not directly. Yes, and "Square" could.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 3 December 2019 07: 37
              +2
              A TTX missiles are unknown.
              Even amazing. Previously, the Western media laid out the characteristics of Iran’s new products immediately after the tests. Looks like they learned to keep a secret if they have already reached mass production, and neither the speed, nor the mass of the warhead, nor the ability to anti-aircraft maneuvering, nor the detection range by radars is unknown
              good
              1. krot
                krot 3 December 2019 18: 34
                +2
                An unpleasant surprise for the Yankees! But the Israelis will have to somehow negotiate and put up with Iran. Already an easy war will not work for them.
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 3 December 2019 19: 06
                  +3
                  Yes?
                  And how long will this contract stand?
                  Exactly until the next terrorist attack against Iran. And what it will be - "the elimination of dangerous terrorists" or "the struggle of the forces of light against tyranny", or the seizure of a tanker.
                  Also, any act of terrorism against the West or the Saudis - Iran will be appointed guilty.
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 3 December 2019 03: 35
          -4
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          suggests that he is being intensely helped from outside. Who could it be ?

          From outside? Maybe from vna? Or from inside? laughing
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Yes, and "Square" could.

          To do is not to do. Or is Ukraine rummaging around in these cruise missiles, like in a litter?
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          I think, and China. Maybe not directly.

          This is a more powerful argument ... Even if in response to oil supplies ...
          In my opinion, a deadly threat (the threat of total annihilation) mobilizes the once-dormant forces of the body (country), and, together with efficient (even foreign) advisers and well-functioning production, this is only a matter of time.
          hi
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 3 December 2019 16: 07
            +5
            Quote: ROSS 42
            From outside? Maybe from vna? Or from inside?

            Do not understand ? Is it sarcasm or ...
            Quote: ROSS 42
            To do is not to do. Or is Ukraine rummaging around in these cruise missiles, like in a litter?

            X-35 sawing. Neptune is already flying. Yes, and the Iranians, perhaps lacked some key technologies. So that ...
            Quote: ROSS 42
            a deadly threat (the threat of total destruction) mobilizes the once dormant forces of an organism (country),

            Yeah, you can run faster, but you can’t increase your mind.
            Quote: ROSS 42
            even foreign)

            I wrote about it, read it again ...
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 3 December 2019 16: 33
              -6
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              I wrote about it, read it again ...

              I also wrote a lot of things on the VO website, but I can’t get used to it that adults who have some kind of not very secondary education deliberately display their ignorance. It causes me irony and doubts about the quality of awareness. Besides:
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              Yeah, you can run faster, but you can’t increase your mind.

              rush is needed in three cases, and the rules for writing perfect and imperfect verbs, etc., you need to know:
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 3 December 2019 16: 51
                +7
                Philologist? Monitor the site, correct errors? On the topic is what?
                Quote: ROSS 42
                those with some kind of not very secondary education deliberately exposed their ignorance.

                You contradict yourself, if a person is without education, where does his literacy come from? wink
                Quote: ROSS 42

                Quote: LiSiCyn
                suggests that he is being intensely helped from outside. Who could it be ?

                From outside? Maybe from vna? Or from inside?

                We got into someone else's dialogue, trying to learn ... Manners of course negative
        3. 9PA
          9PA 3 December 2019 04: 15
          +2
          The liquidation (conservation) of oil production in BV automatically means an increase in US production
        4. den3080
          den3080 4 December 2019 18: 10
          +1
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Dmitriy hi
          So I think that it is more profitable for Iran to crush the Saudis and other "fat cats" of the Gulf. A decrease in oil production in CA automatically increases demand for Iranian oil.
          In general, the development of the military-industrial complex of Iran in recent years, suggests that he is being intensely helped from outside. Who could it be ? what

          I guess :)) the bomb "Balaban" - probably from the latest independent developments :))
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 4 December 2019 21: 19
            +3
            Quote: den3080
            “Balaban” bomb - probably from the latest independent developments :))

            Why? No, I'm just not in the know ... request
    2. asv363
      asv363 3 December 2019 03: 40
      +2
      No, so far I have found only photographs. For example, here:
      https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/30/612482/mass-production-of-Jask-cruise-missile

      In addition to the text of the news on the VO, the admiral talks about the upcoming next month (possibly according to the Iranian calendar, from December 22) joint exercises of the Navy / Navy of Iran, Russia and China in the Indian Ocean. An agreement was reached last month at a meeting of representatives of three countries.
    3. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 3 December 2019 09: 45
      +2
      Quote: Diversant Holuy
      Is there a test video?

      There is something about the tests at the link below.

      Tests of an Iranian cruise missile launched from submarines Jask-2 ". The launch was made from the submarine of the ultra-small class" Qadir "during the exercise" Velayat-97 ".

      https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/1139726.html
    4. 1Alexey
      1Alexey 3 December 2019 22: 59
      0
      Quote: Saboteur Holuay

      Is there a test video?

      There is a Jask2 launch video:
      https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/4210983.html
  2. faterdom
    faterdom 2 December 2019 23: 46
    +13
    In Saudi Arabia, celebration and jubilation! Go ... go! (... jumping ...).
    In Israel too!
    The Americans would impose sanctions ... but they have already imposed!
  3. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 2 December 2019 23: 46
    -5
    If these missiles are dangerous, then we are waiting for a strike, or sabotage ..
  4. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 2 December 2019 23: 52
    +30
    Quote: Diversant Holuy
    If these missiles are dangerous, then we are waiting for a strike, or sabotage ..

    Firstly, you can kill with a knife, and even with a rocket ... Then if, without jokes, Iran invests all available funds in the military-industrial complex, and to find and train several tens of thousands of talented engineers in 80 million people is completely within the power of any state, and even Iranians ancient civilization and gifted people there are enough. So everything is quite serious.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 3 December 2019 06: 56
      +3
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      and to find and train in 80 million people several tens of thousands of talented engineers is quite within the power of any state,

      not to anyone, Iran is certainly not a problem.
    2. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 3 December 2019 07: 46
      +1
      Should Iran use these missiles to block the Strait of Hormuz, the warlike impulse of the United States and Saudi Arabia will instantly deflate.
      It's one thing to rattle your arms and puff out your cheeks, and it’s quite another to lose billions in profits from oil transportation and warships in the Gulf.
      While Iran is keeping its armed forces and its opponents in good shape, nothing is threatening it.
  5. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 2 December 2019 23: 54
    0
    It smacks of anti-Semitism. laughing
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 3 December 2019 00: 11
      +5
      Quote: Paranoid50
      It smacks of anti-Semitism. laughing

      Why? Just a sober analysis. But as always.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 3 December 2019 00: 32
        +4
        Quote: lis-ik
        Why?

        Duc, for life. yes laughing
        Quote: lis-ik
        Just a sober analysis.

        I totally agree.
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 3 December 2019 00: 49
          +4
          Quote: Paranoid50

          Totally agree

          Aron always has that, basically. Sorry minus.
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    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 December 2019 00: 34
      -5
      Quote: Paranoid50
      It smacks of anti-Semitism. laughing

      How sweet.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 3 December 2019 00: 35
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        How sweet.

        Today without hutspy. request laughing
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 December 2019 00: 36
          -3
          Work, brothers!
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 3 December 2019 00: 50
            +2
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Work, brothers!

            How and why? And where are the brothers? Enough to speculate on the heroes.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 3 December 2019 01: 10
              +7
              Quote: lis-ik
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Work, brothers!

              How and why? And where are the brothers? Enough to speculate on the heroes.

              There was such a character at VO - Dormidont. We are sorting through a set of his phrases. He in 99% of cases commented on them. Work brothers, it smacks of anti-Semitism, how cute it is (here is a photo with a fluffy white rabbit against a background of green grass) and what orientological hutspa is its crown. The last three went as comments on any articles about Israel or BV or Iran)))
              And work brothers - for everything else
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 3 December 2019 01: 24
                +9
                Quote: Krasnodar
                And work brothers - for everything else

                Main question. What happened to VO. I do not understand. A lot of patriots cheers are absolutely unfounded. We go where we’re not, at the head of the corner!
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 3 December 2019 01: 30
                  +3
                  The influence of the media. People who have not served in the army are seriously discussing the performance characteristics of the S-300, F-35, Su-57, Armata and Abrams. )))
                  Because the last 5 years on TV and the Internet ............... C-400 against Ohio submarines in lunar craters, where the American never went
              2. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 3 December 2019 01: 28
                +8
                Quote: Krasnodar
                There was such a character at VO - Dormidont.

                I remember this. He competed with Meehan ... laughing
                Although what Meehan, gave out more text ... lol
                1. lis-ik
                  lis-ik 3 December 2019 01: 33
                  +4
                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  There was such a character at VO - Dormidont.

                  I remember this. He competed with Meehan ... laughing
                  Although what Meehan, gave out more text ... lol

                  Do not remember Portok-95. It was something.
                  1. LiSiCyn
                    LiSiCyn 3 December 2019 01: 40
                    +8
                    No, I don't remember that. How long ago? Yes, and all the "shell-shocked" ... I'm probably getting old, neither minus, nor answer, nor notice, I do not want to. There are exceptions, though. laughing
                    1. lis-ik
                      lis-ik 3 December 2019 01: 44
                      +5
                      Quote: LiSiCyn
                      No, I don't remember that. How long ago? Yes, and all the "shell-shocked" ... I'm probably getting old, neither minus, nor answer, nor notice, I do not want to. There are exceptions, though. laughing

                      I'm tired too, and I'm getting old too. I remember saying that I could stand it all. But he did not expect such lawlessness from those in power, and therefore he rebelled.
                  2. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 3 December 2019 01: 41
                    +3
                    And there was Vatnik - a fan of Iran and a denouncer of the machinations of world Zionism)).
                    1. lis-ik
                      lis-ik 3 December 2019 01: 47
                      +2
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      And there was Vatnik - a fan of Iran and a denouncer of the machinations of world Zionism)).

                      I am Russian, but I subscribed to the blog "Oleg" in Zen. I'm just wondering how a Jewish (Russian) guy adapts in Israel.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 December 2019 02: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And there was Vatnik - a fan of Iran and a denouncer of the machinations of world Zionism)).

                        I am Russian, but I subscribed to the blog "Oleg" in Zen. I'm just wondering how a Jewish (Russian) guy adapts in Israel.

                        I have half of my Israeli friends who are not Jews from the former USSR (Jewish grandfather, Jewish stepfather / stepmother) - they adapt perfectly in Israel - ambitious technocrats and workaholics.
                      2. xax
                        xax 3 December 2019 23: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        ambitious technocrats and workaholics

                        Today, those who do not fit anything here usually shake. Career is not rushing, business is not successful, personal life is only dreaming, thirties are just around the corner, friends are not made - the direct road to Israel, or where else, where people are not particularly eyeing migrants.
                      3. arthropod
                        arthropod 3 December 2019 23: 30
                        +4
                        And also, according to my observations, the "craving for roots" suddenly wakes up at a certain age in all sorts of "stale" ladies laughing
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 December 2019 01: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: arthropod
                        And also, according to my observations, the "craving for roots" suddenly wakes up at a certain age in all sorts of "stale" ladies laughing

                        This is yes, of course. )))
                        Russia is a country of beautiful women. Israel is not such beautiful women. Therefore, in the Promised Form any image will surely find a groom, and not a bad one, by Russian standards. laughing
                      5. arthropod
                        arthropod 4 December 2019 01: 51
                        +6
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        groom, and not bad, by Russian standards

                        With Israeli IT experience? )))))))))))
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 December 2019 02: 38
                        -1
                        Perhaps, but the chances of it are less)). These earn an average of 600 thousand rubles a month. Well, she will find a groom in the middle wage area - about 170-250))))))
                      7. arthropod
                        arthropod 5 December 2019 10: 48
                        +6
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        earn an average of 600 thousand rubles a month

                        You did not confuse Israeli Tugriks with dollars? ))) If not, then this is a rare moment when the degree of lies can be estimated literally in numbers.
                        A quick search of sites with real vacancies gives a spread of sn in the IT field of Israel from a little less than 100 thousand rubles. up to a little more than 200 thousand rubles. And this is more like 10 thousand shekels than 10 thousand dollars, about which (almost) you declare.
                        In total, we have - the objective reality is simply at times different from the "information" you provide. It’s somehow even ridiculous, perhaps
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 December 2019 12: 14
                        -5
                        laughing
                        I have about three quarters of my friends in IT, so leave fluent Internet requests to evaluate the taste of XO cognacs and whiskey from 18 years old)).
                        10 thousand tanks - the average earnings of an IT engineer / programmer with an experience of 10 years. For 10 thousand shekels a month - these are beginners, without experience. And even that is not enough. Can you link to the source?
                      9. arthropod
                        arthropod 5 December 2019 23: 09
                        +5
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        fluent internet requests leave

                        Offer to believe you a word? It's crazy request .

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        10 thousand tanks - the average earnings of an IT engineer / programmer with an experience of 10 years.

                        Your translation of the topic from medium-sized salaries in the industry to medium-sized salaries among experienced (and even from 10 years) - obviously means that you agree with my assessment of the former at the level of 100-200 thousand rubles.

                        Good. Let's move on to the next amount (sn programmers with experience of 10 years or more in Israel). A quick search on the Internet gives an amount of 250 - 450 tr. It must be assumed that here are already leading experts, department heads, etc. (10 years is the period for any career).

                        It turns out that ZP beginners and experienced (from 10 years old) progres in Israel almost reach the ZP of the same in Moscow, unless, of course, you take all sorts of crazy ZP from sber to recruit teams from Yandex and other particulars.
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 December 2019 23: 22
                        -3
                        laughing
                        Demagogy has gone - to believe in a word - not to believe in a word. Meanwhile, you did not provide any reference to a “cursory search”)).
                        100 thousand rubles? The minimum salary in Israel in the region of 85-90 thousand lol Cleaners, security guards, tankers, etc.
                        Initial salary in IT - from 200 thousand
                        Once again - can I link? Well I don’t ask much)).
                        I don’t know how much a programmer receives in Moscow, but today in Israel an engineer / department head / programmer with ten years of experience gets in the hands of 34-37 thousand Israeli shekels, which equals 10 thousand US dollars or 640 thousand Russian rubles fellow
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                      12. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 6 December 2019 02: 21
                        -4
                        laughing
                        With a minimum salary, taxes are appropriate, but what really should be divided into two is prices — PPPs, that is, at purchasing power parity 85-90, divide by two. Israeli minimum salary is slightly higher than the Russian average salary. By PPP.
                        By links:
                        https://www.jobmaster.co.il/jobs/index.asp?currPage=2&q=מתכנת+&l=
                        Programmer of CRM systems - Jerusalem, Modiin - salary of 20-22 thousand shekels. - 340-384 thousand. On hand - if it’s gross, which I’m not sure about 272 thousand, at PPP - 136 thousand, respectively.
                        Java Fullstack Developer requirements - 3 years of work on HTML / CSS / JavaScript
                        5 years of work on Java Server Side
                        As you can see, not ten - not?
                        Salary of 30 shekels. )) Even if the gross is 000 thousand per hand in the most fig scenario - or 340 thousand in PPP.
                        Link: https://www.jobmaster.co.il/jobs/index.asp?currPage=2&q= מתכנת + & l =
                        In the remaining ads on this site, the salary is written in the column - the salary is negotiated.
                        So I don’t know what kind of guest workers are looking for in Tel Aviv, a city where the average apartment costs 68 million rubles per 10 thousand shekels, but in Israel, other amounts are issued after a “quick check” laughing
                        Next is taxation. The Israeli tax table shows the maximum rates that do not take into account many factors - the presence of children (the more, the higher the discount, and the Israelis have at least the 3rd), place of residence - there are cities where you don’t pay at all - people register there if Pts needed, etc.
                        Personally, I paid from the earnings of my legal entity from 57%
                        I don’t want to upset you with figures, how much after the dividend was left in my hands (tax on the last 30%)
                        laughing
                        Further. With Israeli experience of about 10 years, you are eagerly taken to the States - while on hand you get 15 thousand tanks. )))
                        And prices there are several times cheaper than Israeli ones - except for real estate in Silicon Valley - this is the Tel Aviv level.
                        So shovel in, see Sites in Hebrew - translates to help you.
                        At prices, a programmer from Israel, unlike a programmer from Moscow, does not have to go for treatment ... to Israel, if you happen to be in an Israeli private clinic, taking into account the same professor, everything will cost him several times cheaper - with private improved insurance, which often paid by the employer - maybe nothing will have to pay.
                        Eating is more expensive - but servings are two (minimum) times larger. There is no need to talk about quality - for the antibiotic found in the soup - the store that sold it will fall on about three hundred Russian rubles))
                        Next - cars in Russia are much cheaper, gasoline too. This is a plus of the Russian Federation. Well, women are more beautiful here - drinks Otherwise, the average Muscovite is far from the income level and quality of life of the average Israeli.
                      13. arthropod
                        arthropod 8 December 2019 01: 09
                        +5
                        First you ask to give you a link, then knock admins on a post with a link to delete it? It is so treacherous, so stupid.
                        It’s not hard for me to give it again: payscale.com. Just not suspecting the existence of this service, you could so shamelessly post here the figures of salaries allegedly invented by you in Israel.

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I don’t know what kind of guest workers are looking for in Tel Aviv

                        You didn’t even bother to go where I pointed you? Sorry, I will take your hand: the link I provided is not a job posting site, but an analytical platform that allows us to look at the AVERAGE SALARY for a particular specialty in one or another part of the world. A huge number of employers around the world use this platform to assess the level of offer for applicants. An even greater number of applicants use this service to evaluate their salary in one or another part of the world.
                        Your link to 2 vacancies on some state-of-the-art site, although it proves that at the very beginning you lied about the average sn programmer in Israel (if you don’t drive such simple things, I’ll explain: take your 2 sums, compare and divide by 2 laughing ), but, nevertheless, it will not accurately indicate how many times you have distorted the truth. Here it is better to use not a sample of 2 salaries from a non-staff site, but an internationally recognized platform that does not publish vacancies, namely statistics on average salaries.

                        So learn English, or learn to use translators in modern browsers. For I bet you didn’t even understand what was on that site from my link laughing

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        So shovel in, see Sites in Hebrew - translates to help you.

                        Translit is not at all what you mean. I assure you.

                        Always at your service hi
                      14. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 December 2019 01: 25
                        -3
                        I don’t knock, moreover, I have cited active links myself. I do not play games in these children's games))
                        I gave you active links to Israeli job search sites - what kind of payscale.com is it ?? )))
                        What is a free site ?? Ordinary job search engine in Israel, why is such a peepel with hundreds of millions - I do not care, I gave an ad in such "state" Israeli sites where state Israelis are looking for state work lol
                        English I know, like any average Israeli))
                        Next - about average numbers - CRM programming is the lowest paid niche, deveioper - it already represents something - here people with experience of five years get a salary of 30 thousand jackals right away - multiply the ruble by 17, look at the tax scale, what on hand (although not the fact that this is not net) and get a couple next to the average pro at the beginning of career growth))
                        Sorry bout my horrible Russian! laughing Kid, just get some course of statistic study - I'll be glad to talk with you after .. hi
                        No need to translate? )))
                      15. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 12 December 2019 07: 29
                        +3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I gave links to Israeli job search sites - what is payscale.com there ??

                        Let me guess: you are 60 and you are from the village?
                      16. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 12 December 2019 07: 40
                        -1
                        No, I'm 43, of which 40 lived in cities
                        Are you from a provincial youth studying international labor markets on the Internet? lol
                      17. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 12 December 2019 10: 49
                        +1
                        Well, in the cities, of course, there are enough individuals.
                        I note that with age I overshot less than you with a sn programmer in Israel. It’s just that your knowledge in the field of obtaining information from an Internet is pulled by 60 rather than 43.
                      18. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 12 December 2019 11: 04
                        -2
                        And Nitsche, that I lived 25 years in Israel, I have 2/3 of my IT friends, I speak Hebrew at the native level, dropped links to you from the Israeli job offer website, where advertisements are published by employers, and people are looking for employment? laughing So I don’t know what you imagined about yourself, but if your info about Israeli salaries in IT is based on Payscale, then this is profanity
                        By age - by the age of 60, most likely I will invest in some Israeli (maybe not Israeli) startup and I will be even more informed on salaries, etc., than now))).
                      19. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 12 December 2019 17: 54
                        +3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And Nitsche, that I lived 25 years in Israel, I have 2/3 friends in IT

                        I will say this: judging by what you write, this set of external factors failed to spoil you - no matter what, you managed to remain a person from the last century who did not understand how to receive information of proper quality via the Internet.

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        threw you links from the Israeli job offer site

                        This is the two ads from which you tried to calculate the statistics? Thanks - no, reliable mathematician has not yet learned to count reliable statistics on two values ​​from a more substantial set laughing .
                        The most complete salary statistics for most countries of the world can be found on the specialized resource indicated by your opponent above. In order to argue with the information given there, you must first collect a sample of the source data, which, at least, will be no less than that used by this resource. And it uses this resource (including, but not limited to) the entire publicly available volume of information about the labor market. Organizations around the world pay a lot of money to this resource for providing information from it in an aggregated form. So you can not worry - those 2 vacancies that you cited as an example are also taken into account in the statistics of this site laughing

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Payscale then this is profanity

                        I mentioned above that not a lot of money is ready to pay for statistics from this site, so if you have even better information, you can try to sell them laughing . And to me, in the end, it doesn’t matter how many fools in the world
                      20. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 12 December 2019 18: 37
                        -2
                        laughing
                        Apparently, you also derive knowledge about the taste of cognacs XO and above, as well as whiskey from 18 and older, from Internet resources, which, however, is not surprising lol
                        I threw off the first website with programmer vacancies - CRM (if such a highly intelligent young man knows what it is) - this is the lowest paid niche.
                        Developer is already an indicator, and there I gave a link to an ad for a person with 5 years of experience and the proposed salary for him. As for the average values ​​- there are many niches and professions in programming - so, once again I write that my friends and acquaintances working as Programmers and Engineers in IT in Israel with 10 years of experience (on average) have an average salary of 10 thousand . USD. )))
                        And Payscale indicators are not authoritative for me, but if you want to continue to receive knowledge from the online generator of publicly available information for which someone pays a lot of money - yes for God's sake laughing
                        Opening companies abroad of Israel, I drew Old from other sources.
                        But, once again, as a rule, neither the owners of such cars, nor people who constantly visit such establishments can prove anything to fans of a discussion of the quality of expensive restaurants and the level of comfort of luxury cars based on knowledge obtained on the Internet wink
                      21. arthropod
                        arthropod 15 December 2019 00: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        CRM is the lowest niche.
                        Developer is already an indicator

                        You are just like my grandmother))))))))))))))
                        I'll tell you a terrible thing: CRM is also created by Developers laughing

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Payscale are not authoritative for me

                        I bet they will be extremely disappointed.

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        publicly available information for which someone pays a lot of money

                        Getting data in a one-time user query and getting an exhaustive, properly sorted data array are two different things.
                        You can get a register statement on the tax website for any legal entity. But for years you will click extracts from this site to collect enough data, for example, to calculate statistics on the number of legal entities registered annually in a particular region (just for example).
                        Does enlightenment begin to come?
                      22. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 15 December 2019 08: 38
                        +1
                        You are just like my grandmother))))))))))))))

                        1.85, slightly unshaven, jewish?
                        I’ll tell you a terrible thing: CRM is also created by Developers laughing

                        lol Yes, you sho? )) So, this is the lowest paid niche. Along with the Web
                        I bet they will be extremely disappointed.

                        I'll pay you right now ... crying
                        Getting data in a one-time user query and getting an exhaustive, properly sorted data array are two different things.

                        This is all understandable, these are elementary truths - the question is how statistics are carried out there and how does this relate to our dispute. To my statement on the size of the salary of a qualified Israeli IT specialist with 10 years of experience, you sent me to Payscale. I showed you the specifics from the first site about job searches in Israel with a specified salary. You can tell me further about the merits of this resource - but in this case, Peyskel is in flight)). Maybe if someone is looking for the average wage of a worker on a conveyor belt in Montenegro or Serbia, as a factor in placing their production there, then the resource has any value, and even then ... you need to go to the place, communicate with people, etc. d.
                      23. Karen
                        Karen 17 December 2019 20: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        No, I'm 43

                        Sorry, Albert, but you "got" ...
                        Scientists have found that the most unfortunate age in men, regardless of social status, family, etc., is 44 years old ...
                        So I wouldn’t do in business what you would expect to have a profit of 44 ...
                        Twice I warned my friends, the closest (and very famous in our area), about this figure ... They did not listen to me ... One of the two even thundered on the bunk, and, without an article ...
                      24. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 17 December 2019 21: 28
                        +6
                        Everything is possible )).
                      25. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 December 2019 00: 29
                        0
                        Quote: xax
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        ambitious technocrats and workaholics

                        Today, those who do not fit anything here usually shake. Career is not rushing, business is not successful, personal life is only dreaming, thirties are just around the corner, friends are not made - the direct road to Israel, or where else, where people are not particularly eyeing migrants.

                        Today, three categories of people wind:
                        1) Businessmen who have reached such a level of income that it becomes completely possible to squeeze out their business - they sell and transfer money to an account opened in advance in Israel
                        2) Wealthy pensioners who need qualified high-quality medicine within walking distance;
                        3) Young professionals after graduation from universities - mainly doctors and programmers. In Israel, salaries are much higher, obtaining an Israeli license by doctors opens up the possibility of working in the States (where a millionaire doctor does not surprise anyone), and Israeli IT experience is also in demand in the USA and Western Europe, with a salary even higher than in Israel.
                        The category you described does not find itself in a Jewish country because of the highly competitive environment and the growing demands on professionals.
                      26. Geo⁣
                        Geo⁣ 4 December 2019 01: 08
                        +4
                        You are stuck in the 90s.
                        1) Today, few people are ready to run into any hole, if only the sea is nearby and it was warm - today give civilization to people. So wealthy people prefer to buy citizenship in more civilized countries: Malta, Austria (yes, even Romania - you also eat the EU), etc.
                        2) In Israel, those who are in Germany, the United States, or Moscow clinics are not treated.
                        3) Young professionals now look at Israel as the last thing. It is precisely because of the small project among young people who have migrated that various motivating programs have been created, aimed at attracting specifically people under 26 years old (Taglit, etc.). Here, too, I can judge by myself and my classmates - if you graduated from a good university, then Canadians, Germans, Dutch, French, Japanese, Australians and someone else call you to continue your scientific activity on a grant basis. Moreover, the Japanese and Canadians even promised a Russian-speaking scientist)). When you start working and making a career, the picture is the same - getting over the hill is not a problem, people are invited both at conferences and in the course of joint projects. Why is Israel needed?

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        and Israeli IT experience is also in demand in the United States and Western Europe, with a salary even higher than in Israel.

                        Is there any special experience in Israel in Israel? laughing Tell us how it differs, say, from South Africa? laughing
                      27. arthropod
                        arthropod 5 December 2019 10: 54
                        +4
                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        Is there any special experience in Israel in Israel? laughing Tell us how it differs, say, from South Africa?

                        Using only a calculator to "hack" someone's pocket with cash - this unique skill a "programmer" cannot get everywhere))
                      28. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 13 December 2019 01: 40
                        +7
                        You are stuck in the 90s.
                        1) Today, few people are ready to run into any hole, if only the sea is nearby and it was warm - today give civilization to people. So wealthy people prefer to buy citizenship in more civilized countries: Malta, Austria (yes even Romania - you also want the EU), etc.

                        I did not see this brilliant comment in your brilliant intellectual manner laughing
                        Austria - I agree, Malta in most respects is far from Israel, and Romania ... lol According to the HDI, Israel is located between France and Luxembourg, regarding the Austrians - with a Jewish grandfather, it’s easier to get to Israel than to them
                        In Israel, those who are not treated in Germany, the USA, or Moscow clinics are treatedThe abyss of knowledge in this matter))))
                        1) In Israel, treatment is more expensive than in Germany. The German Uniclinics are an exception, but most Russians do not go there - they prefer Helios, Vivantes, etc.
                        2) Medical tourism, one of my areas of activity - many clients who have undergone operations in Israel prefer to do chemotherapy in Moscow (with drugs bought in Israel) because of money saving considerations - it is cheaper there. Diagnostics in Moscow is cheaper. Operations in Moscow - from 350 thousand rubles to 500 thousand, in Israel from 700 thousand to 3 million
                        3) in the USA it is really much more expensive, but oncology is there + - at the Israeli level - so there is no point, in most cases
                        Young professionals are now the last to look at Israel. It is precisely because of the small project among young people who have migrated that various motivating programs have been created, aimed at attracting specifically people under 26 years old (Taglit, etc.). Here, too, I can judge by myself and my classmates - if you graduated from a good university, then Canadians, Germans, Dutch, French, Japanese, Australians and someone else call you to continue your scientific activity on a grant basis. Moreover, the Japanese and Canadians even promised a Russian-speaking scientist)). When you start working and making a career, the picture is the same - getting over the hill is not a problem, people are invited both at conferences and in the course of joint projects. Why is Israel needed?
                        If you finished the mat. Faculty of Moscow State University - possible. The rest of the graduates of good Russian universities look like people who bought a higher education diploma for money. Taglit is intended to compensate for the brain drain from Israel - the locals, after the experience gained in the country, are being felled for large salaries in the USA, mainly

                        Is there any special experience in Israel in Israel? Tell us how it differs, say, from South Africa.
                        Strict criteria for admission to universities in these specialties and a highly competitive environment in the country itself. Therefore, Intel had a development department there, Warren Buffet opened his first company outside the United States precisely in Israel, like many Amer’s giants)).
                      29. Karen
                        Karen 13 December 2019 20: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The abyss of knowledge in this matter))))
                        1) In Israel, treatment is more expensive than in Germany. The German Uniclinics are an exception, but most Russians do not go there - they prefer Helios, Vivantes, etc.

                        Once in a German clinic, a surgeon (a Jew, I think :)) who operated on the son of a billionaire made it so that his son would "heal and heal" all the time ... My friends had to persuade the billionaire to send his son to us for an operation ...
                        Aidish Shtik, Albert :)
                      30. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 13 December 2019 21: 04
                        +6
                        You already had Magic Johnson successfully treating AIDS wink )))
                        The Germans didn’t have such garbage, today they sent me a client "because of the inappropriateness of the operation, due to the fact that this will not extend the patient's life and improve its quality."
                      31. Karen
                        Karen 13 December 2019 21: 10
                        0
                        The Germans took the type of treating my two friends ... For each, it was paid about 50 + t. euro ... fatal outcome in both cases ...
                      32. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 13 December 2019 21: 17
                        +6
                        No wonder
                        4th stage? it’s better to go to Israel. Melanoma of any stage is best treated in Germany
                        Surgery - cheaper in Germany (except university clinics), excellent quality
                        Radiotherapy too
                    2. lis-ik
                      lis-ik 3 December 2019 02: 00
                      +3
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      And there was Vatnik - a fan of Iran and a denouncer of the machinations of world Zionism)).

                      I had such a case. He even called "Filia" from "Good Night Kids" a Jew. Grandfather served in the MGB.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 December 2019 02: 12
                        +1
                        And he probably knew a lot about the chain dogs of world Zionism, who made their way to children's television under the guise of dog Phillip, who was friendly with the October party! )))
                      2. lis-ik
                        lis-ik 3 December 2019 02: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And he probably knew a lot about the chain dogs of world Zionism, who made their way to children's television under the guise of dog Phillip, who was friendly with the October party! )))
                        Reply

                        Nevertheless, when they asked him. Why they give him the Volga absolutely due, he had no doubt. He gave it to me. Completely black and with special GAZ-2410 signals. I was 17 years old.
                      3. Grandfather
                        Grandfather 3 December 2019 03: 46
                        +8
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And he probably knew a lot about the chain dogs of world Zionism, who made their way to children's television under the guise of dog Phillip, who was friendly with the October party! )))
                        Reply

                        Nevertheless, when they asked him. Why they give him the Volga absolutely due, he had no doubt. He gave it to me. Completely black and with special GAZ-2410 signals. I was 17 years old.

                        everything ... past the glass already ... to sleep! yes
                      4. lis-ik
                        lis-ik 3 December 2019 03: 51
                        +3
                        Quote: Dead Day
                        Quote: lis-ik
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And he probably knew a lot about the chain dogs of world Zionism, who made their way to children's television under the guise of dog Phillip, who was friendly with the October party! )))
                        Reply

                        Nevertheless, when they asked him. Why they give him the Volga absolutely due, he had no doubt. He gave it to me. Completely black and with special GAZ-2410 signals. I was 17 years old.

                        everything ... past the glass already ... to sleep! yes

                        I woke up!
                      5. Dym71
                        Dym71 3 December 2019 11: 35
                        +6
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And he probably knew a lot about the chain dogs of world Zionism, who made their way to children's television under the guise of dog Phillip, who was friendly with the October party! )))

                        laughing
                        The grandfather from the MGB was right, in the program "Good night, kids" the whole gang from one kibbutz, the acrom of Piggy, it's not for nothing that they always have a fool yes
                        The nest of Zionism, not otherwise! wassat
    4. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 3 December 2019 13: 21
      +3
      Quote: Paranoid50
      It smacks of anti-Semitism.

      The most anti-Semitic state is Israel. It rotts 2 tens of millions of Semitic Arabs, does not recognize people as Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians (I’m not even talking about Palestinians).
      Racist attitudes towards immigrants in the 21st century. In general, Hitler with his Aryan sits quietly in a dusty corner.
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 December 2019 08: 19
    0
    Is it similar to the X-55?
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 3 December 2019 09: 28
      0
      No. On the X-55, a similar KR Soma.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 December 2019 09: 44
        +1
        Are you sure that the picture is about what they write?
        1. Do not care
          Do not care 3 December 2019 10: 36
          +2
          Old lady AGM-86:

          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 3 December 2019 11: 31
            +1
            That's right ... and I don’t think that Iran would redesign the already flying derivatives. X55.
  7. bars1
    bars1 3 December 2019 09: 50
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Work, brothers!

    Yeah, those are still brothers! Situational allies, nothing more. We must keep an eye on them. Just a knife stuck in the back.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 3 December 2019 11: 32
      +1
      They are not our brothers. Not enemies and that’s good.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 3 December 2019 13: 23
        -1
        Neighbors in the sanctions camp. NATO guards proudly walk along the borders of Russia-China-Iran - we locked them!
    2. arthropod
      arthropod 4 December 2019 01: 53
      +1
      Quote: bars1
      Just a knife stuck in the back.

      Griboedov remembered?
  8. Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 December 2019 21: 23
    0
    Ukrainian engine?
  9. Klingon
    Klingon 3 December 2019 22: 16
    +1
    Quote: krot
    An unpleasant surprise for the Yankees! But the Israelis will have to somehow negotiate and put up with Iran. Already an easy war will not work for them.

    despite the shanktsii, well done, they especially liked the names - Balaban for example laughing among Kazakhs and the Mongol Balaban this is a young golden eagle who is trained to hunt foxes, wolves, etc. drinks