Is Ukrainian Neptune Dangerous?

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Throw test of product P-360. Photo: National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine

Last year, Ukraine began testing the promising Neptune anti-ship missile. The other day it became known about the next test launch, which should bring the moment of the adoption of the rocket into service. The coastal complex RK-360 with such a missile should become the most important military-political instrument and increase the combat effectiveness of the Ukrainian army. However, it is not yet clear whether the missile will be able to justify the hopes placed on it.

Unavailability


The Neptune project can be considered a typical “long-term construction,” characteristic of the Ukrainian military industry. The first proposals to create a promising RCC were made back in the nineties. The project in its current form was proposed in 2010, but real work began only at the end of 2014.



In 2015, GKKB Luch for the first time presented materials on the Neptune product. In the spring of 2016, a simplified configuration of the missile was built - it did not have a power plant and basic electronic equipment. Already at this stage, it became clear that the new Ukrainian P-360 Neptune product is inherently a modification of the old Soviet X-35 missile, processed to the capabilities of Ukrainian industry.

In January 2018, at the Alibey training ground (Odessa region), missile throw tests were conducted. The first full-fledged launch with a check on the operation of the equipment was carried out on December 5 and 2018. The next flight took place on April 5 on the 2019. It was alleged that during these tests, experienced RCCs traveled the required route and hit the intended training objectives.

On May 24, they carried out the next test launch of a missile with GOS. On November 28 another flight was completed as standard. GKKB “Luch” claims that the development of Neptune as an aircraft has been completed. Now the issues of improving the characteristics, as well as setting the complex into service, can be addressed.


Rocket complex "Neptune". Photo: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Despite the stated successes, the state of the Neptune project is not encouraging. About five years were spent on processing the initial X-35 project, taking into account the production capabilities of Ukraine, as well as on subsequent tests and refinement. How quickly the following work will succeed (and will it succeed) is a big question.

Thus, the Neptune missile system as a combat-ready and operational product is absent. Against the background of the April tests, the Ukrainian leadership claimed that the anti-ship missiles will go into service before the end of the year. In November, it was argued that state trials would end this year. It is unlikely that in such a time it will be possible to complete the required work and prepare for production a full-fledged combat-ready missile system.

Design features


To date, all the basic data on the RK-360 Neptune complex are known, which allows us to determine its strengths and weaknesses, as well as draw conclusions about the combat potential, military benefits and ability to influence the international military-political situation.

In its present form, "Neptune" is a coastal missile system consisting of several means on automobile chassis. The complex includes the R-360 missile, a launcher on the KrAZ-7634NE chassis, a control vehicle, as well as a transport and loading vehicle. The possibility of creating a ship and aviation versions of the complex.

The main objective of the missile system is the defeat of surface targets, however, declared the possibility of working onshore facilities. In particular, some hotheads have already claimed that with the help of Neptune, the Ukrainian army will be able to threaten the Black Sea the fleet Russia and the newly built Crimean bridge.


The layout of the active radar seeker for "Neptune". Photo: Ukrmilitary.com

Being a development of the existing X-35 rocket, the Ukrainian product P-360 retains its basic features and operating principles. Similar tactical and technical characteristics are also obtained. The missile is equipped with a turbojet marching engine, an active homing radar and a penetrating warhead.

Declared flight range - 300 km. Speed ​​on the marching section - no more than M = 0,85. With its own weight of 870 kg, the rocket carries an 150-kg warhead. The existing version of the missile system has a self-propelled launcher with 4 transport and launch containers for P-360 products.

Advantages and disadvantages


It is curious that the main positive features of the Neptune project are related exclusively to the fact of its existence. Despite the well-known problems, Ukrainian industry continues to develop its first “own" RCC, which gives reason for pride. The adoption of the missile into service is associated not only with the combat effectiveness of the army, but also with national prestige.

The technical side of the Neptune project does not give much reason for pride or optimism. The P-360 missile is based on far from the newest project, which imposes significant restrictions. In addition, she had to develop new components - according to various sources, some of the key units for the rocket still need to be developed.

In its final form, the RCC "Neptune" may have several positive features. Mobile execution of the coastal complex allows you to quickly deploy it in dangerous directions and attack the ship's enemy formations. The theoretical possibility of adapting the P-360 to different media (modeled on the base X-35) will expand the range of tasks. The marching part of the flight is carried out at low altitude, which increases the likelihood of a successful air defense breakthrough and delivery of the warhead to the target. ARGSN is able to provide an effective target search and successful guidance on it.


Means of a rocket complex. Photo: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Declared flight characteristics may be insufficient for effective combat operations. So, subsonic speed can make a rocket more vulnerable to naval air defense. An effective defense breakthrough may require a massive launch, which requires the simultaneous use of several batteries with a set of launchers. As a result, new requirements for the production and deployment of complexes appear.

The Ukrainian RCC "Neptune" in its final form should have the characteristics and capabilities at the level of the base model in the form of X-35. Such achievements could be cause for pride - if the two missiles had not been separated for several decades. In fact, only now Ukraine was able to repeat the Soviet product of the early eighties, even if with a change in some components.

Military-political instrument?


The Neptune missile system is created not only to enhance national prestige, but also to solve political problems. He was repeatedly spoken of as an instrument to deter "Russian aggression." However, in recent years, the Ukrainian army and industry have hardly used other formulations.

It must be admitted that Russia should pay attention to the Neptune project. At the disposal of an unfriendly neighboring state in the foreseeable future a new missile system with a certain potential may appear, which poses a certain threat. This fact must be taken into account in military planning and construction.


Launcher with TPK for missiles. Photo: Wikimedia Commons

In theory, Neptune complexes can be deployed along the entire Azov and Black Sea coast of Ukraine. In combination with a firing range of up to 300 km, this will allow to control significant water areas of the two seas and attack surface (allegedly also ground) targets.

However, Ukrainian missiles should not be overestimated. They, of course, are going to be adopted, but one should not expect that Ukraine will be able to build a large number of complexes and missiles within a reasonable time frame, which is necessary to cover the main water areas. In recent years, many bold and important Ukrainian projects have encountered problems in terms of financing and production, which is why they did not give all the desired results.

The performance characteristics and origin sharply reduce the danger of Neptune. The R-360 missile is made subsonic, which limits its combat potential and simplifies interception. In addition, it was created on the basis of the Soviet X-35, and the Russian military can easily determine effective countermeasures.

Pride and Pessimism


The very fact of developing the first proprietary anti-ship missile and coastal complex for it may be a reason for pride of Ukrainian industry - despite the previous and expected difficulties. Otherwise, there are no reasons for optimism and positive assessments.


Test launch, December 2018. Photo: Facebook.com/petroporoshenko

In fact, a slightly modernized version of a fairly old rocket has been developed. Its characteristics are limited, but their receipt is associated with technical difficulties. Construction and deployment of such weapons requires special expenses, which can be prohibitive for the current military budget of Ukraine. Finally, the finished sample does not pose a particular danger to the “aggressor” represented by Russia.

To break into the international market will be extremely difficult. Developed countries have long divided the RCC market and coastal complexes, and are unlikely to give up their positions without a fight. In addition, one should not forget about the reputation of Ukraine as an arms supplier, damaged in recent years.

The Ukrainian Neptune is a cause for pride in Kiev, but does not become a reason for Moscow’s particular concern. It is necessary to take into account the presence of such weapons and take the necessary measures, but no more. The Black Sea Fleet and other troops in the region have all the means to counter the new missile “threat” and will be able to successfully counter it. Unless, of course, the P-360 missile can go beyond the range and get into the army.
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  1. +1
    3 December 2019 05: 57
    Unless, of course, the R-360 missile can go beyond the range and get into the army.

    Well, one already went beyond the boundaries of the training ground, and even got ... True, not in the army, but in a residential building near Kiev - Tochka-U ... This time you have to get into the Ukrainian army! For example, in the camp for training terrorists in Yavorovo, otherwise they shoot themselves with mock Javelins there
    1. 0
      3 December 2019 12: 22
      As the author correctly wrote, "the mere existence of such a rocket already inspires pride and optimism."
      Can you imagine what an attack of additional insanity they will receive "heroes of war to the last", having received such a superPuperWunderShushpanzer (as Ukrainian.Press already writes). No matter how they misbehaved more than usual.
      1. +6
        3 December 2019 12: 27
        They have already received the Mortar Hammer ... They would first have the brains of Wise Goodwin. They will launch the same rocket - so it will fly away according to the old Maidan habit to Europe
    2. +2
      3 December 2019 13: 32
      terrorist training camp in Yavorovo

      Not Yavorovo, but Yavorov! Those. , with declension, "... in Yavorov". wink
    3. +3
      3 December 2019 14: 36
      Quote: RWMos
      Well, one already went beyond the landfill, and even got ... True, not in the army, but in a residential building near Kiev - Tochka-U ...

      ======
      I wonder WHO gave you "cons" ?? I read this story ... It seems like 4 people died there ... And the whole entrance was blown up ... Well at least it was DAY and the tenants basically were at work, and the children were in schools (and there was no warhead - only a "mass-dimensional" mock-up! Otherwise it would be OUCH! Save me, God!! And this was in Brovary (I was born and raised in Kiev) - then it was "Satellite City" ..... What now - I don't know .... Maybe "microdistrict"?
      But "FACT remains a" fact "- nothing seems to have been launched there anymore .... Well, if Donbass is not counted! There seem to be several" Points "let in .... But they seem to have partially" missed "and were partially shot down on the" approach " ...
      In short - "the technique is in the hands of ......... (incompetent people) - a piece of iron"
  2. +4
    3 December 2019 06: 18
    The title of the article as already adopted in the press for hype is slightly provocative))
    As an excuse for promoting the norms, as well as quite average characteristics and given the price it is still unknown how many missiles will be built.
    Is Neptune Dangerous? And for whom should he be dangerous? For Russia, Ukraine certainly doesn’t, Ukraine will not come to such a confrontation, because it will not be like a five-year war from the stands for which you can save money and justify the country's economic regress.
    It will also be possible to sell it vryatli on the international market, Ukraine has completely discredited itself in the supply of weapons.
    Well created and well done created, take a pie from the shelf))
    1. -10
      3 December 2019 11: 00
      can you read more about economic regression? preferably with the imposition of our "progress" ...
      About the international market, also google to help ...
      1. +5
        3 December 2019 12: 09
        Look at our and Ukrainian arms export contracts in recent years so 10- everything will become clear. Ukrainians mainly sold Soviet stocks still, their new products have a lot of complaints and failures of the customer. We have...:)))))
      2. -1
        3 December 2019 15: 47
        Ukrainian economy flies at the peak
        1. -2
          4 December 2019 08: 44
          But we are again ahead of the rest!
          1. 0
            4 December 2019 12: 11
            not the first but almost in the lead
  3. 0
    3 December 2019 07: 14
    Dangerous. You never know where he will fly away during the tests.
  4. +11
    3 December 2019 07: 41
    An interesting statement of the question. And since 1940, an air bomb lying in the ground - is it dangerous or useful?
    X35 from the 80s - modern or outdated? "Harpoon" from which this X35 was copied - outdated or normal? "Neptune", which is a clone of the X35 and was developed in the same place as the X35 - is it funny, or has it not been banged yet? You will ask those who will shoot at it from the naval OSA, what is the probability of shooting down such an NLC with the overwhelming majority of it being on the ships of the Black Sea Fleet. And this is a single-channel target analog air defense system of the near border.
    1. KCA
      +3
      3 December 2019 08: 29
      I have already written, but for you I will repeat - the developer of the X-35 GosMKB "Raduga" is located in my city - Dubna, Moscow region, what has some kind of Ukraine got to do with it?
      1. +2
        3 December 2019 09: 43
        In Ukraine, there is documentation and, it seems, engine production for it ..... and there is the production of GOS to other missiles and access to some electronics in China, Turkey and Europe .... making such a CD in the 2020s is a feasible task. Moreover, we do not know anything about its accuracy, noise immunity and cunning approaches to the goal.
    2. +4
      3 December 2019 08: 59
      Quote: ss-n-22
      And since 1940, an air bomb lying in the ground - is it dangerous or useful?

      That's for sure! a truck with saltpeter and icing sugar is just as dangerous! And then the rocket, though not the peak of perfection.
      There should be no hatred!
    3. +7
      3 December 2019 10: 18
      Quote: ss-n-22
      which is a clone of X35 and was developed in the same place as X35

      but but!
      X35 (3M24) was developed at OKB "Zvezda" / FSUE GNPTs "Zvezda-Strela" (OKB-455), Moscow region, Korolyov ... where is this "in the same place"?
      It was planned to organize 3M24 (X-35) at the Kharkov Aviation Plant (the current KhGAPP), therefore in Ukraine there was a complete set of production and design documentation for this missile, its engine is being produced (turbofan engine MS-400), which makes it possible to reproduce it.
      Quote: ss-n-22
      You ask those who will shoot the naval wasps from it, what is the probability of knocking down such an NLC

      Yes. Here Ryabov
      In fact, a slightly modernized version of a fairly old rocket has been developed. Its characteristics are limited, but their receipt is associated with technical difficulties. The construction and deployment of such weapons requires special expenses, which can be prohibitive for the current military budget of Ukraine. Finally, the finished sample does not pose a particular danger to the “aggressor” represented by Russia.

      To break into the international market will be extremely difficult. Developed countries have long divided the RCC market and coastal complexes, and are unlikely to give up their positions without a fight. In addition, one should not forget about the reputation of Ukraine as an arms supplier, damaged in recent years.

      frank stupidity wrote, for the sake of the electorate
      -Ukraine, unlike Russia, is not subject to sanctions and has access to 2nd-party electronics, and if necessary military, from the USA / EEC
      - What will Ryabov sing when something like this happens:

      but at the border of the land RF / Ukraine (sea - 321 km, land - 1974,04 km)
      Winged "Neptune": How Ukraine will sink Russian ships in the Sea of ​​Azov

      Yes, there are no problems with export. It's all about price
    4. -5
      3 December 2019 14: 18
      And you do not measure on the "Wasp", but on the "Polyment-Redut". And it does not matter that he was either brought or not. Neptune has not traveled further than the test site either.
      1. +4
        3 December 2019 17: 04
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        And you do not measure on the "Wasp", but on the "Polyment-Redut". And it does not matter that he was either brought or not. Neptune has not traveled further than the test site either.
        There is not a single ship on the Black Sea Fleet with the Polyment-Redut, at most with the Shtil-1. So you are so strong, "do not throw your cap high" ...
        1. 0
          3 December 2019 23: 57
          Well, that's right. An absent air defense system is quite capable of withstanding an absent missile defense system.
        2. 0
          4 December 2019 20: 07
          Quote: Vl Nemchinov
          The Black Sea Fleet does not have a single ship with Poliment-Redoubt
          Where was the Wasp from the ukroflot? 630ka and all ...
          The RFF has at least one Admiral with a polymer-redoubt ..
          1. 0
            5 December 2019 13: 23
            Quote: dvina71
            The RFF has at least one Admiral with a polymer-redoubt ..
            what is it on the BSF, you managed to consider?
  5. +3
    3 December 2019 08: 02
    Is Ukrainian Neptune dangerous?
    Of course not!
    Especially if you rely on the rhetoric of articles and comments two years ago:
    "Nothing will work for them, cut the dough" ... "pipe with gps" ... "everything has been stolen there for a long time ..."
    And now it turns out, it is necessary to determine its weaknesses. I read the article in the hope of learning new TTX, but came across extensive paragraphs of the political background of this weapon.
    And the lines about the "long-term construction" made me happy. If you count from idea to creation, then in the history of mankind there are many such: from the ideas of Leonardo Da Vinci to the creation of an airplane, a helicopter and a tank, then this is several centuries. And if we consider the active phase of creation, then chktyr is five years, I think not so much.
  6. KCA
    -3
    3 December 2019 08: 06
    The X-35 was developed in the 70s, the documentation has not been updated exactly since 91, the developer of the Raduga State Design Bureau, Dubna, Moscow Region, what kind of flying primus they could create in 404 is not clear
    1. 0
      3 December 2019 09: 31
      Well then you are wrong too.

      The development of the Uranus ship complex with the X-35 cruise missile for arming small boats and medium displacement ships was set by Decree of the USSR Council of Ministers and the CPSU Central Committee of April 16, 1984. The parent company is the developer of the Zvezda Design Bureau (currently part of the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation), the chief designer is G.I.Ukraintsev.
      "Zvezda" is Kaliningrad.
      http://xn--80aafy5bs.xn--p1ai/aviamuseum/dvigateli-i-vooruzhenie/aviatsionnoe-vooruzhenie/sssr/aviatsionnye-rakety/upravlyaemye-rakety/ur-vozduh-poverhnost/protivokorabelnaya-krylataya-raketa-h-35/

      PS - funny site autopravit surname of the developer
      1. KCA
        +2
        3 December 2019 10: 09
        DBK "BAL" may have been developed at the "Zvezda", but the X-35 is the development of "Raduga" and not 1984, but the beginning of the 70s
    2. +3
      3 December 2019 11: 37
      Quote: KCA
      developer GosMKB "Raduga", Dubna, Moscow region

      not really yours!
      Machine-building design bureau "Rainbow" / ДПСО "Rainbow" is
      X-15, X-22, X-55
      but not X-35
      Quote: KCA
      what flying primus in 404 could create is not clear


      Kharkov State Aviation Production Enterprise (KhGAPP, previously - KhAPO, KhAZ, 135th plant) X-55 was produced in the 80s (until 1986)

      they certainly can create and produce.
      what is ours better?
      ours use X-555, the same X-55SM (RKV-500B). development of the USSR.
      The differences are essentially in destabilizers (centering) and that’s it.
      1. KCA
        0
        3 December 2019 13: 09
        Why write a lie? X - 55 and X-555 were developed at the State Design Bureau "Raduga", in Ukraine only the Armed Forces of Ukraine were produced at Motor Sich, and X was also assembled in our city, at the DMZ, a joint venture was even made for the manufacture of the Armed Forces, but it did not grow together
        1. +2
          4 December 2019 18: 42
          Quote: KCA
          That’s why it’s a lie to write? X - 55 and X-555 were developed at the Raduga State Medical Design Bureau

          fool
          And what have I written, eh?


          Quote: opus
          Engineering KB "Rainbow"/ ДПКО "Rainbow" this
          X-15, X-22,X-55

          Can we read?
          X-55 Machine-building KB "Raduga" = GosMKB "Raduga"
          and some KSA wrote
          Quote: KCA
          X-35 developed in the 70s, documentation has not been updated since 91, developer GosMKB "Raduga"

          GosMKB "Raduga" did not develop X-35
          X-35 is development of OKB "Zvezda" (former OKB-455, nnow included in KTRV), general designer - V.N. Bugaysky.
          what is indicated
          Quote: KCA
          developer GosMKB "Raduga", Dubna, Moscow region

          Quote: opus
          not really yours!

          KSA wrote that the X-35 was developed in a "rainbow", the fallacy of this opinion and it was indicated

          Quote: KCA
          and Ukraine produced only APU on Motor Sich, and collected X

          oh well legends sing something

          Serial KR X-55 / "product 120" in the assembly shop of KhAPO, Kharkov (Markovsky V., Perov K. Doomsday wings. Aircraft complex X-55. // Science and technology. No. 2/2010).

          photo shown

          On December 25, 1979, a decision was made to take the missile into service, due to the crucial importance of the topic that appeared even before the end of its full tests. The first serial X-55 cruise missile, completely manufactured at HAPO, was handed over to the customer on December 14, 1980. Like other missiles of the experimental batch, she went for tests, for which during 1981 40 X-55 missiles were manufactured and delivered to the Air Force.


          On December 31, 1983, an air-based missile system, including a Tu-95MS carrier aircraft and X-55 cruise missiles, was officially adopted. To the collectives of the ICD "Rainbow" headed by I. S. Seleznev and HAPO for the creation of the X-55 in August 1982. Lenin and five State Prizes were awarded, 1500 plant workers were awarded government awards.


          In December 1986, by a decision of the Ministry HAPO rocket production It was ordered to stop. Workshop No. 86 was closed, equipment and supplies were transferred to the Kirov Mechanical Plant, freed from anti-aircraft missile themes and loaded with a new aircraft order. The production of X-55 units was also launched at the Smolensk Aircraft Plant.
  7. -4
    3 December 2019 09: 09
    For bloody provocations, it is easily enough, it is necessary to take this into account.
  8. 0
    3 December 2019 09: 30
    Quote: Sergey_G_M
    Is Neptune Dangerous? And for whom should he be dangerous? For Russia, Ukraine certainly doesn’t, Ukraine will not come to such a confrontation, because it will not be like a five-year war from the stands for which you can save money and justify the country's economic regress.

    Even the weakest and most cowardly potential adversary should not be underestimated. This means observing and looking for ways to counteract these "miracle" missiles.
  9. -1
    3 December 2019 09: 48
    Well, what can I say - alarming news.
    Could Neptune pose a threat to the Black Sea Fleet?
    Likely. Weapons - there are weapons.
    And for the Crimean bridge?
    Without any doubt.
    It is hoped that Ukraine will have enough common sense not to use these weapons against Russia. The answer will be disastrous.
    And over time, when Ukraine becomes part of Russia, the "Neptunes" will strengthen our anti-ship component in the Black Sea Fleet.
    1. -1
      3 December 2019 12: 25
      Paul.
      Common sense and Ukraine are not compatible things.
      Unfortunately, the population and even the pseudo leadership of this territorial entity are not the owners of this territory.
      But about the strengthening of the anti-ship component of the Black Sea Fleet with this product, you wrote very funny.
    2. -3
      3 December 2019 14: 24
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Ukraine will become part of Russia

      SOCIALIST Russia
      And then not "in the composition", but in the confederation.
  10. -1
    3 December 2019 11: 02
    Quote: Paul Siebert
    And over time, when Ukraine becomes part of Russia,

    That's really not necessary. The population of modern Ukraine is struck by Svidomo with a fascist connotation, and this is forever. Here LDNR is another matter. These are territories that have already been cleared of the Svidomo element, and they should be recognized at least as independent with the simultaneous deployment of military bases, and, in a good way, be accepted into the Russian Federation
    1. 0
      3 December 2019 17: 11
      Quote: bars1
      The population of modern Ukraine is struck by Svidomo with a fascist connotation, and this is forever.
      Oh my god, what does the TV do to you ?!
  11. +2
    3 December 2019 11: 05
    In fairness, I must say that Neptune is an analogue of the X-35U, and not the X-35, which has a range of 130km.
  12. -1
    3 December 2019 12: 31
    you know, if a monkey is given a grenade ... and if a rocket? any weapon is dangerous for someone. What problem can this rocket solve? yes no. it does not change anything and poses a threat only to the place where, in the broadest sense, the variants of incidents, actions and their consequences are deployed
  13. +2
    3 December 2019 12: 37
    Nda! 2 years ago it was written that they would not create a type and could not afford it. At the moment, the article should be read in the last paragraph. A competitor in the arms market!
  14. -2
    3 December 2019 13: 35
    So far, all this is at the level of the "POTYOMKINSKAYA VILLAGE", as well as many other hurray projects (which, as a result, turn out to be projects)!
  15. 0
    3 December 2019 14: 37
    Quote: Narak-zempo
    And you do not measure on the "Wasp", but on the "Polyment-Redut". And it does not matter that he was either brought or not. Neptune has not traveled further than the test site either.

    As it is "do not measure on the wasp." On the Osu-M, on the MA-2, on the Black Sea Fleet, I will also measure on the "Volna" and "Storm" too. This is all exploited and not for beauty. You can try on the "fort", its theme will work on such anti-ship missiles, if "Moscow" is on the move. Calm-1 will also work quite well, if we remember how many spotlights it has to illuminate the target onboard, and how, in response to a combat alert, when repelling an attack, the ship maneuvers and how many active target channels it has from the side of the attack.
    1. 0
      3 December 2019 17: 14
      Quote: ss-n-22
      ... at the Black Sea Fleet I will also measure on the "Volna" and "Storm" too ...
      There is nothing to do with these ...
  16. 0
    3 December 2019 15: 18
    First, let them put-deployed-trained-cover in more or less commercial quantities, then we'll see. But only with each point there are problems of the universal scale and complexity of implementation.
  17. 0
    3 December 2019 17: 17
    Any grenade in the hands of a monkey is dangerous.
  18. 0
    3 December 2019 17: 44
    The article mentions the old Soviet x-35 missiles, correct me, are these the ones with which the new 20380 corvettes are now arming and the su-34?
  19. +1
    3 December 2019 19: 18
    Ukrainian weapons. of course deadly. primarily for those. who uses it. Matches for children are not toys. Warehouses explode. yes even the same .. Hammer .. take ... brrrrrrrrr.
  20. 0
    3 December 2019 21: 08
    Quote: evgen1221
    First, let them put-deployed-trained-cover in more or less commercial quantities, then we'll see

    Then it will be too late to look, we must take an example from the USA, they have something to learn.
  21. 0
    3 December 2019 22: 42
    He can cover all their production with a copper basin now, so as not to misbehave in the future, or even to have matches for children are not toys, especially if they are children of baboons.
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  23. 0
    4 December 2019 10: 07
    / our military can only be trusted with a machine gun and a wooden one, ”Tymoshenko said about the incident with a Russian plane over the Black Sea //
  24. 0
    5 December 2019 00: 32
    Underestimating the enemy is certainly not worth it. A small dirty trick in the form of a provocation, they can arrange with this rocket (maybe a dozen). If they shibanut on the border towns, for the large ones are completely covered, then there may be losses if the intelligence "slaps". How events will develop further, I'm not going to predict.
    I doubt very much that their defense industry is capable of more.
  25. 0
    18 February 2020 09: 59
    As the Ukrainian proverb says, "if you can't eat, you should at least bite" (so that no one gets it). You can shit with anything, even if you insert a simple stick into the wheels, and then a rocket. Correctly noted - it is necessary to know about this and take into account.

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“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"